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good evening

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everyone we'll get started I am

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councelor Denise Massoud Mayor of

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Whitehorse City Council and I welcome all

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who have joined this council meeting

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both in person and online Council live

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streams Council meetings and a copy of

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the live stream will be available for

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viewing on council's website within 48

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hours I now formally open this council

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meeting and will recite the opening and

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acknowledge of country please stand if

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you are

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able we give thanks Oh God for the men

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and women of the past whose generous

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devotion to the common good has been the

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making of our city grant that our own

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generation may build worthily on the

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foundations they have laid direct our

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minds that all we plan and determine is

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for the well-being of our city Amen

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Whitehorse City Council acknowledges the

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Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people of the Kulin nation

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as the Traditional Owners of the Land we

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are meeting on and we pay our respects

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to their Elders, past present and

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emerging and Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Islanders from communities who may be

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present today please be

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seated I would now like to introduce our

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councilors and Senior offices commencing

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with councilors on my left Deputy Mayor

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councelor Andrew

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Davenport good evening everyone and

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welcome councelor Tina Liu good evening

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and welcome to all councelor Trudy

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Skilbeck  thank you mayor good evening

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a very warm welcome to everyone

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councelor Mark Lane good evening all

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particularly those in the gallery and

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those tuning in from home Council Raylene

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Carr welcome everyone councilor Prue Cutts

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good evening everyone thank you for

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making it

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today councelor Amanda McNeill good

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evening everyone a warm welcome to those

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in the gallery and those joining online

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from home councelor Ben Stennett good

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evening everyone welcome councelor

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Andrew Munroe good evening all and a

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very warm welcome and councelor Blair

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Barker good evening May good evening all

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we are also joined by the CEO and Senior

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officers I will commence with the chief

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executive officer Simon

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McMillan good evening everyone and

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welcome Stuart Cann Director Corporate

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Services Jeff Green Director City

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Development Lisa Letic Director

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Community

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Services Steven White Director

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Infrastructure Siobhan Sullivan Executive

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Manager Transformation Vivien Feleno

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Manager Governance and Integrity and

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members of the governance and its teams

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are there any

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apologies of which I'm not aware of any

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but I will just ask are there any

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disclosures of interest for the current

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 agenda this

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evening there being none I now move to

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confirmation of minutes confirmation of

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minutes for the ordinary meeting of

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council held on the 24th of June

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2024 can I please have a counselor to

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move move

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and second second moved councelor Lane

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seconded councelor Munroe all those in

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favor carried

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unanimously the next item is urgent 

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business and we have no urgent business

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this

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evening the there are no requests to

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speak this

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evening so we move to public question

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time we have received eight public

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questions from four submitters this

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evening the four submitters this evening

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are Darren Liwicki from Burwood East  Kevin

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Earl Box Hill Peter Carter Box Hill North

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Irene Mosa from Whitehorse active

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transport action

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Group all questions this evening will be

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read by Jeff Green Director City

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Development I now call Jeff Green

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director of city development to the

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Lector to read out the questions and

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responses thank you

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mayor so the first question is from Mr

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Darren Luda Wiki bwood East question one

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what is council's position regarding the

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plan to allow all day unrestricted

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access to parking on the side of Old

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Burwood Road next to Ryman's John Flynn

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Retirement Village and will restrict

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local residents from parking in front of

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their own driveway because of 2 hour

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parking restrictions between 8:00 a.m.

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and 6:00 p.m.

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through your Mayor following Community

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engagement with residents of Old Burwood

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Road arrangements will be made to

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implement 2hour 8a.m. to 6:p.m. Monday

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to Friday parking restrictions on the

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north side of the road and retain the no

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stopping prohibition along the south

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side to facilitate passing opportunities

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and improved access to abiding

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properties in addition to these parking

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changes Council officers have carefully

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considered concerns about access in and

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out of residence properties and

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arrangements have been to improve that

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access question two how much Council

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revenue from rate payers will be

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contributed to implementing the 2-hour

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parking restrictions on Old Burwood Road

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for example labour and purchasing and

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installing signs through the May the

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cost to install the parking restriction

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signs and no stopping signs is

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approximately

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$1,000 source from council's operating

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budget the next two questions are from

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 Kevin of Box Hill question one does

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council agree and support the push to

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have the old brick work site both the

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old tip and the historical buildings

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including the unsafe chimney to be

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retained as green open space to support

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the increased population plan for Box

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Hill through you Mayor council is aware

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of the community interest in the brick

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work site as is the state government

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this land is in private ownership

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Council will explore all opportunities

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to secure and maintain open space in

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Whitehorse and in particular Box Hill

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where the population is expected to

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significantly increase in light of state

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government projects and

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policy question two this has been talked

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about for many years what has Council

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done and planned to do in the future to

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assist in the retention of green open

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space even if Council does not support

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this push for the Brick

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Works through Year may Council was

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committed to the development and

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retention of open spaces and is planning

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to share with the community the 2024

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white Whitehorse Open Space strategy

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for Community feedback in the coming

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months the Open Space strategy builds on

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the 2007 strategy and will provide a

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framework and the strategic direction

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for the future provision planning design

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and management of public open space in

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the city of Whitehorse for the next 15

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years the next two questions are from Mr

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Peter Carter of Box Hill North question one

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the proposed easy ride route network of

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continuous low stress routes in Whitehorse

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 comprises 17 routes that focus on

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the needs of interested but concerned

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cyclists these represent 79% of the

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community principle two of Whitehorse

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strategy says an acceptable detour is

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considered one which is no more than 25%

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of the length of the most direct route

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other cyclists won't ride currently

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Whitehorse has only implemented eight

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routes some only part of the  route of

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the proposed 17 routes please advise the

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actual expenditure individually for

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these routes also the percentage split

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on each for line marking signing and

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other

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works through EMA Council has engaged a

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transport consultant to undertake an

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independent evaluation of the Easy Ride

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Routes project the evaluation is expected

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to be finalized in the next month this

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evaluation will help guide how Council

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will continue to implement its Easy Ride

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routes pro in the coming years to ensure

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that it is meeting the needs of our

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community council's capital works

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program scheduled one easy ride route to

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be installed each year over the first

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six years Council has accelerated the

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implementation of its easy ride route

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program having completed eight routs

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over the last three years with this year

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being the evaluation

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year mayor in relation to the question

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on expenditure I will take that a notice

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and reply directly to Mr Carter

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question two Whitehorse has been

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strongly critical of the suburban rail

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loop authority's draft structure plan

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regarding provision of open space

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schools

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etc before the suburban rail loop

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authority Whitehorse had prepared a

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structure plan then undertook revision

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of it for the multi-level development

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that was then being proposed in

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Box Hill foot paths in Box Hill central are

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significantly narrow particularly

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Station Street effectively 2.5 M south

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of Whiteall Road compared to 8 m for the

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Melbourne CBD

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likewise 6 to 8 meters for jalong bat

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Sheeran and

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Wang did Council previously engaged

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Consultants to estimate future

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pedestrian volumes particularly Station

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Street to guide their structure plan

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development including appropriate widths

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for future

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footpaths through eare the consultant

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team for PR preparation of the draft

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structure plan for Box Hill included

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transport expertise this work did not

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include new pedestrian counts but did

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estimate the number of pedestrians using

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the activity center perhaps more

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importantly the draft structure plan

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together with the proceeding issues and

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opportunities paper highlight at the

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section of Station Street south of White

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Horse Road and acknowledge the issues

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and constraints that exist such as

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narrow cluttered foot paaths that is

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dominated by car traffic and has a poor

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quality environment for pedestrians the

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work included a comparison with

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Melbourne CBD and noted the tension that

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exists for Road space allocation between

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modes of Transport with station Street

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having a width of only 20 m in

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total the draft structure plan

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recommends this section of Station

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Street as a primary pedestrian link and

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as an upgraded Urban space it recommends

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3 to 4 meter foot paths on Station

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Street for both sides plus canopy Street

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trees Council will continue to Advocate

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strongly for outcomes with the Suburban

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rooll Loop that provide a significant

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upgrade to Station Street toward

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achieving a vision for Box Hill that

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prioritizes pedestrians and cyclists in

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line with the draft structure

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plan May the next questions are from

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Irene mosa a member of the Whitehorse

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active transport Action

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Group question one in the Whitehorse

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Area traffic related hospitalizations

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have risen 29% from 58 in 2022 to 75 in

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January to November

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2023 current road safety measures are

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clearly not working how can wall city

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council reduce the risk to active trans

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transport users in a situation where

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even drivers are

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unsafe through your May crash statistics

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need to be looked at over a longer

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period of time to be able to look at

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crash Trends as opposed to year-by-year

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variations covid-19 caused significant

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traffic impacts and changes to travel

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patterns which also need to be

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considered when looking at the White

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Horse crash history since 2010 white

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horse has been on a downward Trend over

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this time Co caused a sharp decline in

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Road trauma in 2020 in Whitehorse and

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across the state and while the crash

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statistics have risen over the past year

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they remain 43% lower than the preco

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numbers another important aspect to note

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is the council only manages the local

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Road Network whereas the state

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government manages the arterial Road

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Network the majority 70 to 75% of Road

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trauma takes place on the arterial Road

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Network question two the only

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infrastructure measure taken by whiteall

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city council to try and encourage more

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active transport and fewer cars is the

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easy ride route implementation it is

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hard to see how easy ride routes would

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be safer than other streets fewer car

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trips must inevitably lead to fewer

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traffic related hospitalizations and

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help to reverse the trend noted in the

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first question what other significant

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infrastructure initiatives is Council

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planning on implementing to encourage

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more active transport participation

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through the mayor the Easy Ride Roots

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project is not the only infrastructure

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project undertaken by Council to

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encourage more active transport other

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projects include the annual footpath

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maintenance projects and pedestrian

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safety improvements in Box Hill and other

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locations across the

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municipality Council also works with

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other authorities to make improvements

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on non-council land in recent years this

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includes among several projects the

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shared user path at the Union Station

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level crossing removal project and the

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pipe track shared user path in Mitchum

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and Forest Hill future projects include

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continuing to implement the Box Hill

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integrated transport strategy with a

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particular focus on walking and cycling

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improvements working with Parks Victoria

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who have committed to implementing a new

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shared user path on the former

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Hillsville freeway reserve and Council

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will be participating in the state

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government safe local roads and streets

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program which commences later this month

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the program has funding for up to $2

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million in Road saf improvements over a

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2-year time frame thank you

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mayor thank you

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Jeff that takes us to um next on our

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agenda petitions and Joint letters and

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there are no petitions this evening so

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we move to item nine notices of

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motion item 9.1 uh Community placement

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and work opportunities at

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council do I have a mover you certainly

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do Madame

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thank you Council Barker is there a

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second yes ma'am councelor Davenport

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councelor

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Barker thank you Madame mayor and I'd

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like to take the opportunity to thank my

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good friend councelor CZ that's was

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worked with me on the inspiration of

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this and whilst some of us will come at

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this from different ways I don't come at

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it in an overly sentimental way rather I

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come at it because I know this is good

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for the organization it's it's good for

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our staff and it's great for the

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community now mayor as you know I've

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spent most of my adult life working in

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Consulting particularly in Talent

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acquisition and it's something that I'm

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very passionate about and talent

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acquisition in local government hasn't

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been easy in recent years not many

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people understand the diversity of the

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work that and Endeavor that happens in

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this place in fact I think local

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government and the people in it are some

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of the best kept SE secrets in the

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Victorian and probably in the Australian

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public

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service and to that we we also have I

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know an aging Workforce which means that

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there will be renewal of that Workforce

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in the years to come

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and because we're a great kept secret

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and we're an aging Workforce we need to

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do things to build our brand and to

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build Talent pipelines and that's what

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this is about um now you might be

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interested to know Madame May one of the

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organizations in the world that does

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this with great success is actually the

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CIA the Central Intelligence

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organization which as you might imagine

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has some very very peculiar requirements

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of people but they run summer intern and

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job placement programs with great

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success because they are seeking the

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various best people available and that's

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what this is about doing building those

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Talent pipelines so that we get 15

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graduates applying the graduates know

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that local government is a great place

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to be because they've seen it local

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people apply for um for for trainee

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ships and apprenticeships here because

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they know the work is interesting and

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that's what this is about giving um our

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organization and as a professional

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recruiter Madame mayor I know that our

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this organization relies on recruitment

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Consultants from time to time I'm not

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one of them but they are expensive and

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we need to decrease Reliance on those

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because we know about the Strategic

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Financial challenges that we have in

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terms of our long run average revenues

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and our long run average

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costs um and this might even give us an

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opportunity to replace some some of the

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contractors that that are you know we

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paid we have a company that Waters

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Street trees for example in summer that

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might be something that we can bring

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back inside because I want everyone to

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understand very clearly Madame May that

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this is in no ways intended to say we're

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going to have

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child labor replacing our people because

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I want to talk very um lovingly about

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our field Workforce and our Workforce

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shortly now why is this good so I've

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said this is good for the organization

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it's good for our staff I want to tell

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you about some of the staff that I know

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and I see a lot of them particularly the

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field staff and I work with the

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office-based staff here but I work with

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I see a lot of the field staff because I

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got that big dog and I walk around this

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walk six or seven CS with a dog every

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day so I see Michelle and Cindy in local

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laws and in open space I see Johnny

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scissors in Arbor I see shine and Dwayne

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and all of the crew in Turf and they're

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great great people and one of the things

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that I'm struck with and even Tommy in

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cleansing one of the things that I'm

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struck with with these people is what

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fantastic communicators they are CU

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they're all hyper foring and they've all

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been been here for a while and they are

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high performing because not only do they

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have the skills it's not only can they

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do the job yes they can do the job but

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can they fit and will they do the job

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that's that motivational job fit which

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is about self- selection which again is

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why it's great to give people a bit of a

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try before you buy so that in the future

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they can go you know what I would fit

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into that place of yeah no it's not the

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sort of place that i' fit into and the

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other thing that strikes me about these

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staff whether it's engineers in here or

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people working as project managers here

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or people that are making Turf wickets

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for our cricket clubs is they're

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passionate about it and they love

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sharing their insights because they know

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that a cricket week it's not just

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chemistry and biology but it's also a

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bit of meteorology and a bit of magic

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and a bit of intuition so they're great

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people and that's good for people like

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that to work with our staff now it's

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also good for our people I don't

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want um us to distract our staff we have

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very very strict targets for dare I say

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at productivity and we don't want them

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to be distracted this is not a work

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experienced organization it'll be good

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for the organization it'll be good for

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our people and most importantly this

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will give people digity hope that are

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looking for a chance thank you

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mayor thank you councelor Barker

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councelor devonport well uh thank you

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mayor and um and to follow on with what

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council Barker has said fully in support

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this particular motion that brings

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additional work opportunities to

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council the area that I'm I'm interested

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in is a developing Pathways for the

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future employment by Council I think one

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of the issues that the local government

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sector faces at the moment is a a

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general perception of risk averseness of

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officers to take on members of the

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public that haven't had local government

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experience if you have a look at the the

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Merit Matrix on what um is used to

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higher Staff it's always talking or most

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cases talking about local government

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experience that experience is hard to

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come by unless you come through a

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program or work or work in a certain

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area and and we need to be able to

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increase our candidate pool um to get

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people working for us um going forward

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into the future now I'm sure Council

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Lan's going to talk a little bit about

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the skills Gap that we both heard about

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at the um at the recent alga conference

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perhaps um where talked about the

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average age of the workforce in local

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government while the signs aren't pretty

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aging

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Workforce skills Gap coming up risk

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averse organization not really wanting

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to take on staff that don't have local

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government experience we have to do

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something about that this is one of the

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areas that we can work on um having

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additional Pathways where people can

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come in the council can see how people

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um operate whether it's Secondary School

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students on work experience where it's a

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university student that is looking for

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an internship that we could give them a

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packet of work that you'd go out to a

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consultant for and perhaps they could do

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do that first councilors I remember that

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time where we had not this exact same

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thing but you know that that logo in

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Box Hill now the officers went out and got

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a consultant and we went out to the

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community as counselors and said what's

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the best you know one and opened it up

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to the community the logo that you see

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there if I recall I think was a

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secondary school design student if I

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remember correctly that's a power that

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we can harness by not bringing these

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preconceived notions of having you know

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certain past experiences this particular

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reports important we'll hope help open

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widen the Gaze of

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of um bringing placement work

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opportunities to people that don't have

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local government experience could get

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that and us as an organization can

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benefit from that broader Horizon of

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input and the individuals concerned

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would benefit as well I um

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wholeheartedly support this motion thank

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[Music]

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you thank you councilor Davenport is

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there another speaker for this motion

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yes may councilor cuts I saw you first

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thank you very much mayor uh well as a

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former psychologist and a career

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counselor of almost 20 years um I am

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delighted to have this come before us

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because this is something which is very

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very important to me I've worked across

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state independent and Catholic schools

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and I'm very proud to say that I've

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probably put numbers of thousands of

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students on work experience May so I'm

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really pleased with this I think it's

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one of the most empowering things for a

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young person is to go out and do work

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experience and some of the stories that

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I heard from students coming back were

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lifechanging and I can tell you that

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they've gone on in those careers or they

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haven't so the learning that's gone

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through those practical based placements

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is um immeasurable really and as was

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mentioned before it's try before you buy

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it's a really important thing um another

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thing I'd like to say with this is that

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not not only did I put those students on

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work experience but I went out to visit

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students in the workplace and actually

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saw students hundreds of students on

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work experience as well and I could see

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on their faces I could see the

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interaction with them and the their

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mentors in the workplace it's really

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important um I I commend this motion and

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also commend in our um page four on our

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um this this month's White House news

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that we're actually doing this inclusive

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Employment Program with boxel Institute

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and we're doing this with um students

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for intellect ual cognitive disabilities

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so what this is doing is seeking to

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expand that even further I know this is

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starting in term three um and possibly

00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:38.000
people may not have seen this because

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it's just come out but it is really

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important and hope that our partnership

00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.279
will reduce unemployment of those with

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disabilities of young people in our

00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.039
community um some statistics here are

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that uh 48% of people with a disability

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age 15 to 64 what employed compared to

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80% of people without a disability so

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it's really good to look at this broadly

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it's not only people with disability

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Secondary scho School students tertiary

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students it it's giving people a try

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before you buy and I really commend this

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motion thank you

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mayor thank you Council cuts and

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councelor mcneel you were just after

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councelor Cuts would you like to speak

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now yes thank you mayor and uh and thank

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you counselors and uh thank you

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councelor Barker for bringing this to

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the chamber it's an excellent uh motion

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and uh an opportunity for a report on

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something really worthwhile and young

00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.119
people do deserve an opportunity to gain

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experience in local

00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.559
government the motion is inclusive of

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all cultures genders and those with a

00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.160
disability and giving people who can

00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.799
really struggle to get their foot in the

00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.240
door to gain work experience to get that

00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.680
foot in the door and it is so so

00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.079
important

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and uh I know uh people with

00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.480
disabilities who've really tried their

00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.720
heart out over the years to get just to

00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.559
even get an

00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.920
interview H and they just don't get a

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.680
chance because they don't have the

00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.160
experience and and people don't look on

00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.200
them very positively but this would be

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.920
the the ideal opportunity for them to

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.720
develop their skills and extend those

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.440
skills uh into areas uh that are really

00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.640
going to be uh valuable uh and and to be

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able to to have the confidence then to

00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.039
work in local government which should be

00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.279
fantastic for them and and also be able

00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.680
to be leaders in other areas I me we've

00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.680
got this sits very well with our social

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.480
Enterprise uh policy as well and

00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.799
encouraging uh people with all all

00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.240
various uh with with uh all the

00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.759
different challenges in life to actually

00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.400
gain the experience and alyra as well

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.799
down the Western end of Whitehorse you

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:06.720
know this might provide some of their

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.400
students who who are through uh who Who

00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:15.119
start do their course at uh Box Hill ta uh

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.400
this might be a really good way for them

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.039
to gain gain experience which is going

00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.480
to be F which would be fantastic it

00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.759
really would it would lead the White

00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.400
Horse Council I think to uncovering some

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.000
highly talented people who uh go on to

00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.039
make a major contribution both in White

00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.400
Horse and local government and even

00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.279
government uh more broadly and even

00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:44.440
business like um as they gain experience

00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.279
but of course we want to keep them in

00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.599
local government because this is such a

00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.720
fantastic place for people to work and

00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.000
uh so it has potential to save Council

00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.480
money uh and um because these recruits

00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.000
start off as Learners uh and that

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.039
reduces the cost of hiring staff and

00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.920
they learn to become valuable members of

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.559
the team so uh I strongly support this

00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.720
uh motion tonight thank

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.920
you thank you councelor mcneel is there

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.440
another speaker yes ma'am councilor

00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.359
Stant thank you may um I'd like to

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.359
support speak in support of councelor

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.720
bers noce sub motion and uh I think

00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.319
we've all had various work experience um

00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.400
opportunities some of them useful and

00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.559
some of them less so um I think that

00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.000
something that um Council leaka said um

00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.720
struck me um about

00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.359
the uh the nature of local government

00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.720
the fact that you know it's sort of a uh

00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.200
hidden away and I'm

00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.079
sure um as wonderful as we all think

00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:58.799
local government is

00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:03.319
um if you ask most year 12 students or

00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.480
11 or 10 year 10 students um about local

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.839
government they probably have not a lot

00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:10.799
of idea and probably haden't hadn't

00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.680
really thought about um the full range

00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.920
of potential careers that would be open

00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.160
to them um and i' i' suspect that that

00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.720
would that might be true with a lot of

00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.279
um people who are giving them advice as

00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.559
well um our young people and I think

00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.960
it's important for us as a local Council

00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.079
and and more broadly the sector to be um

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.680
a bit more

00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.240
um uh not aggressive is not the right

00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.640
word but um you know um to to get a to

00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.599
actually present uh local local councils

00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.319
and local government as a an excellent

00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.079
career choice um for for young people or

00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.119
for anyone and to really sell the

00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.000
opportunities that local government

00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.799
has by expanding placement and work

00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.599
opportunities um there are a number of

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:07.920
things that can be achieved and it's

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.440
really a win-win situation for for for

00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.880
the for the council for local uh

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.279
government for the community and for the

00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.920
people that um May U join the ranks of

00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.440
uh local government as

00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.839
employees um for all the reasons that

00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.319
have been mentioned before I support

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.079
those and uh wholeheartedly endorse this

00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:30.480
motion thank

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.039
you thank you councilor State councilor

00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.000
Lane would you like to thank you may um

00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.319
thank you mayor and thank you councilor

00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.000
Barker I think this is one of the uh

00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.039
best suggestions um today and the Very

00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.400
worthy of officers pursuing and bringing

00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.079
back a report for for us to understand

00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.000
not only what we currently do but what

00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.400
is being uh proposed to do or what we

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.680
can do into the future we have some

00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:56.440
great institutions within our

00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.880
municipality and Deacon University

00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.960
University and Box Hill Institute with

00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.680
some amazing students that certainly may

00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.519
see some opportunity from us so this

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:07.200
does have the potential to help provide

00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.799
opportunities for local people provides

00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.519
hope for job Seekers and graduates alike

00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.599
and increases younger person's interest

00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.039
in the local government sector for

00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.400
future workers and you never know

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.279
perhaps even future

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.279
counselors I will refer to it uh thank

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.240
you Council Davenport I did take notes

00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.400
um at the uh at around the proposed

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.240
retirement Cliff as it was at put May to

00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.079
us last week and that was telling us

00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.960
that via the ABS stats that local

00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.319
government jobs in Australia for those

00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:46.759
age 55 to 64 so pending retirement and

00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.079
would you believe truck drivers 41% of

00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.640
employees uh in that category had age

00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.119
and dis disability Care at 39%

00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.279
uh bus drivers at

00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.400
32% we have handy people at

00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.839
34% Wastewater Plant operators at 28%

00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.000
gardeners at 24% to what councelor

00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.160
Barker was mentioning before program

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.720
administrat

00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.920
18% and the national average is 15% so

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.920
you can see those some of those key

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.640
areas is a bit of a retirement Cliff

00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.440
that we're facing in the very near

00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.519
future so getting some younger people

00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.960
into interested younger people involved

00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.359
I think is very important to ensure that

00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.799
we have roles filled into the future so

00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.359
thank you councils I do ask for your

00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.279
support for this notice of motion and uh

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.240
let's see what we can

00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.559
do thank you Council Lane there any

00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:46.559
further

00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.240
speakers uh yes madame mayor councilor

00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.680
car just briefly um this motion um is

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.160
calling for a report so um I while I

00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:58.880
absolutely totally agree with everything

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.480
that everyone has said this evening and

00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.920
I am totally in support of this motion

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.000
it is still calling for a report so um I

00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.519
say to all counselors you will have

00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.160
another opportunity um and we all will

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.440
have another opportunity to speak about

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.519
the advantages of this motion um so

00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.920
let's vote for it tonight and let's have

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.359
that opportunity to when the report

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.400
comes back um we can assess the report

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.160
and then work out the way forward and

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.680
the appropriate Way Forward so um we

00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.119
will we will have another chance

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.319
counselors so um let's just move on I

00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.160
think thank you councilor car I'd just

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.759
like to add a couple of comments and

00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.079
that is that recently I was speaking to

00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:47.599
um uh a person we had on staff for work

00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.799
experience and certainly many people are

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.160
not aware of the diversity of local

00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.319
government and that particular person

00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.400
was able to transition through different

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.240
groups and was really inspired um and

00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.240
recognizing there's a lot of choice

00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.119
about paths that you can take and um I

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.559
think it's a great opportunity I'm also

00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.559
um aware of in another capacity within

00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.000
local government where Deacon have

00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.239
provided interns and and those interns

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:19.559
have finished their degrees and are

00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.199
actually some of them are working in CRA

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.840
they've really got into the the love of

00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.880
politics and um government Etc so it's

00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.840
it is actually a great opportunity with

00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.320
um many different skills being catered

00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.440
For in local government and it's

00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.360
exciting to think that although we're

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.880
already doing something it would be

00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.079
great through the report to perhaps look

00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.960
at how it might be able to expand thank

00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.639
you everybody for your

00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.719
comments as I don't believe there was

00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.440
any discussion against the motion I will

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.920
put the motion to the vote all those in

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.360
favor carried unanimously

00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.159
I now move to item

00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.880
10.1 of council

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.800
reports Community engagement at White

00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.760
Horse I seek a mover happy to move man

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.280
moved councelor cuts and a seconder

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.280
happy to Second mayor thank you

00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.440
councilor Le councelor Cuts well thank

00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.840
you thank very much mayor um this

00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.239
particular motion is about our community

00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.159
engagement and the launch of the 2024

00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.960
Whitehorse Community engagement policy

00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.480
which is a review of an existing policy

00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.800
um and it's backed as well by the

00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.440
community engagement impact report which

00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.719
relates to the period from October 20122

00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.320
to May

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.639
2024 there are two main documents

00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.400
associated with this which is the policy

00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.440
uh This was um reviewed and adopted in

00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.599
October 2022 sorry that was a handbook

00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.119
was reviewed and adopted in 2022 and the

00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.960
policy was last reviewed and adopted in

00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.199
February 2021 since we've had the

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.559
handbook there has been an escalation of

00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.760
community engagement opportunities and

00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.679
that's what is actually may in this

00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:26.320
particular document here which is an

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.119
attachment which I recommend everyone

00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.880
have a look at there's been quite a

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.079
significant uptick in the amount of

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:35.519
Engagement we're doing and I think as

00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.719
councilors here around this room would

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.679
agree that we've been to many many

00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.039
popups recently uh with Council officers

00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.119
uh after ours during ours on weekends um

00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.480
and we've also seen a corresponding

00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.519
increase in the number of people who are

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.719
actually responding which is fantastic

00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.280
so hopefully this will filter down into

00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.280
um the reports that come back to council

00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.760
every year about these statistics of

00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.760
community engagement but for example uh

00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.039
since the endorsement of the uh

00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.159
Community impact report a year and 3/4s

00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.119
ago we' had a 100 different projects

00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.760
consulted on uh almost 500 new

00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.039
registered participants to our yay Pages

00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.079
almost 20,000 pieces of feedback

00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.039
received May and 116 popups and

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.760
engagements and counselors around the

00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.519
room we've probably done I don't know

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.400
I've done three recently so there's

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.039
certainly many um we've had fantastic

00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.039
results to some of these as well

00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.719
including the top one which is um

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.559
improving Leisure Services with almost

00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.760
9,000 responses just over 7,000

00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.320
responses to the east build Reserve plan

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.400
managing dogs in parks and Reserve

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.800
almost 4,000 residential parking permits

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.599
which um Mr Green spoke about before

00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.000
just over 2,200 and our Whitehorse open

00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:57.679
strategy as well which was discussed

00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.039
before uh with over 2,000 responses so

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.800
we we're taking some very key moves with

00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:05.679
actually engaging and going to Greater

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.199
extents and I'd like to call out and and

00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:10.039
um thank the officers who are working on

00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.880
this particularly Renee um who's done a

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.960
fabulous job with Ryan so um some

00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.079
engaging things such as schools getting

00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.920
school students to say well here's $100

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.760
to plan your ideal playground go away

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.159
and think about that some fantastic uh

00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:27.760
engagements we're doing and it's

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.920
actually impacting in what we're

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.199
actually seeing coming back um

00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.000
councilors this this is particularly to

00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.280
uh pass out to our community to um get

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.519
feedback on this and then this will come

00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.679
back to Council in about 2025 as a draft

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.440
um Community engagement plan I endorse

00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.960
this and I wish you do to thank you

00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.000
thank you

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.400
may thank you councelor Cutz councelor

00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.760
Leu thank you mayor council is it's been

00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.960
a journey in relation to our community

00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:03.960
engagement policy and I have to say that

00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.719
it's been great to see a council improve

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.559
um in the space and particularly

00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.199
expanding to what has been traditionally

00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.960
the harder to reach cohorts in our

00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.760
community I'm particularly encouraged to

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.320
see the efforts further strengthened um

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.039
in relation to outreach to the

00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.880
culturally and linguistically diverse

00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.920
community I particularly around Box Hill

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.480
as well as Outreach to younger people

00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:34.679
and councelor cuts had mentioned um

00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:36.599
quite a number of initiatives that we've

00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.400
taken um particularly around um engaging

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.480
with schools this policy council is

00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.440
looks at informing the community

00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.159
creating opportunities for community

00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.320
members to provide input and be heard

00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.400
and that feedback to be part of the

00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.000
decision- making processes of council

00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.320
and certainly as a counselor I I've

00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.039
found the community engagement and the

00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.679
feedback that we derive from that um

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.639
very very

00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.639
insightful better consultation

00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.880
counselors results in more relevant

00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.519
policymaking but it also assists Council

00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.039
in making more informed decisions on

00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.039
issues that matter the most to locals

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.280
and reflects the needs of our community

00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.920
I've certainly heard a lot of positive

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.199
feedback from residents particularly

00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.559
over the last few years around council's

00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.239
Improvement um in relation to

00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.360
accessibility of information and

00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.719
engagement activities and just to

00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:37.320
highlight um for example the recent

00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.400
council plan consultation and engagement

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.199
has actually increased by 400% so that's

00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.000
fantastic to see and we certainly want

00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.639
to keep that momentum going Council has

00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.599
focused on several engagement methods uh

00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.519
including targeted Communications unique

00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.239
to each audience use of signage with QR

00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.079
codes engaging visual communication

00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:03.880
materials social media advertising to

00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.400
reach more people and we've certainly

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.400
seen that um be more active for example

00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.559
on Facebook and more innovative ways of

00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.559
Engagement like with any policy

00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.559
counselors a periodic review is

00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.719
warranted and council is seeking to

00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.840
engage with the community in relation to

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.920
the policy the first round of

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.960
consultation is to commence from

00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.480
tomorrow actually until Sunday the 12th

00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.199
of August and this review will ensure

00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.679
that our policy is up to dat compliant

00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.280
in best practice and most importantly is

00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.840
effective in engaging with our community

00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.679
I commend this report thank

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.199
you thank you councilor is there another

00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.719
speaker uh yes mayor councilor dport

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.679
well uh thank you mayor and I think that

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.320
Council has taken a number of good steps

00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.360
uh forward with regards to engagement

00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.920
but the the Lo the road is a long one um

00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.039
if if I look at the uh jws most recent

00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.800
uh Community survey index report the

00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.679
additional work that we've done with

00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:06.960
regards to consultation and engagement

00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.960
has not moved the dial when it comes to

00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.960
um the performance of this particular

00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.559
service area since 2016 until now the

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:18.679
number has been around

00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:22.280
57% our performance when surveyed to the

00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.039
community this is using a random sample

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.000
which is statistically significant

00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.519
57% it's hardly moved Community

00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.480
decisions

00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:37.039
58% that's hardly moved now I think when

00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.679
I talk to members of the community I

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.920
think that they appreciate the ability

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.480
to give us more um direct input that we

00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.159
can listen to them but if I remember

00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.760
councilor baret's election slogan which

00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.599
was the first one listens and acts we've

00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.039
got the listening Act Right listening

00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.960
part right but I think the closing the

00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.679
loop and letting the community know what

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.719
we've done with that feedback is the

00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.480
area that's lacking in our engagement

00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.280
policy and that's what I'm really Keen

00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.199
to hear from in terms of members of the

00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.559
community the second area that I'd like

00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.920
to highlight is around the method of

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.480
communication we've gone almost purely

00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.519
electronic with a couple of popups here

00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.719
and there but again I'll bring you back

00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.119
to the jws customer satisfaction service

00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.320
survey the

00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.920
highest preference for receiving Council

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.719
information is not by electronic means

00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.159
it's by mail and if I point to the most

00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.760
two um uh most recent consultations

00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.840
where we went and and mailed out was

00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.719
about Suburban rail loop I got a lot of

00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.440
feedback from that because it was

00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.400
directly into people's mailboxes where

00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.800
they got targeted information about a

00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.400
project in this case it was state

00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.159
government project project my view is

00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.960
that we need to do more around engaging

00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.760
people by mail that is their preferred

00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:06.400
method of

00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.599
communication unless you're up with the

00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.280
times and you've highlighted that

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.679
newsletter I think it's very very hard

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.000
to get told of when Community

00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.679
consultation is coming out now if I

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.440
recall counselors when we had the

00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.440
climate change um policy come up there

00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.559
was 48 responses that was done under our

00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.199
new policy so I think we've made good

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.880
start especially around our um our

00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.719
engagement around the the uh Whitehorse

00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.559
um council plan um the test of that will

00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.239
be in October I'm sure um and uh but I

00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.079
think that as part of this policy we

00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.159
have to start looking at how do we do

00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.519
things better closing that Loop and

00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.760
looking at how we act on community

00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.719
feedback thank you mayor

00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.360
thank you councelor devonport is there

00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.400
another speaker yes councelor mcneel

00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.840
thank you very much uh mayor and

00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.920
counselors and uh yes I I U heartily

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.280
agree with the uh what councelor

00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.000
Davenport has just said but I just

00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.239
wanted to highlight a couple of uh

00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.039
projects um particularly the positive

00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.360
aging team was established in September

00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.239
2023 and that's the engagement included

00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.760
visiting 30 seniors groups and there was

00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.880
a huge response with

00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.880
1,52 uh response surveys actually

00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.280
completed and the engagement has

00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.079
resulted in the establishment of

00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.039
community working groups that are

00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.840
empowered to make decisions that affect

00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.840
them this is really really a a great

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.679
outcome and demonstrates that if you do

00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.039
actually go out to the people and you do

00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.840
actually seek their physical response to

00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.719
uh to engagement they don't only respond

00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.079
but they actually become engaged in what

00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:10.760
council is doing and they're actually

00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.239
sufficiently interested to to get

00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.239
involved uh in Council activity and and

00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.840
in in this case in uh in Comm in um some

00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.760
Community groups that uh that can then

00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.039
inform counsel and participate and help

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.599
us uh with our um actually informing

00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.159
Council on on some of the the steps that

00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.599
we can take to uh to help uh older

00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.920
people in our community who have you

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.440
know obviously experienced significant

00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.440
change in the way we deliver our

00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.800
services uh over the past few years so

00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.960
that is really really positive that that

00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.440
we now have those working groups within

00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.079
the positive aging team and that's

00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.800
because we engage thoroughly with them

00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.920
so that is really fantastic work and uh

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.920
also 50% uh 50 participants tested the

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.400
new Easy Ride routes enabling people to

00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.400
cycle more safely locally and uh cycle

00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.320
to work so that's another really really

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.360
good practical example and again that

00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.239
their actual Hands-On feedback is is

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840
invaluable in in terms of uh our the

00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.880
future direction of our easy ride route

00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.480
so that's really

00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.559
fantastic and uh the the the other area

00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.000
I wanted to highlight is the Whitehorse

00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.119
Open Space strategy and that highlights

00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.079
how much 2,1

00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.440
2,210 responses to that just shows how

00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.960
much we value our open space I really

00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.719
hope Council can uh negotiate

00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.880
uh more open space with the state

00:47:59.960 --> 00:48:03.800
government and also identify and

00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:08.000
appropriate blocks of land both next to

00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.199
and our existing open space and to

00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.800
expand our open space so um

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.679
congratulations I look forward to this

00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.920
um thank you very much I support the

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.679
report thank you councelor mcneel are

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.440
there any further speakers

00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.679
there being no further speakers I don't

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.800
believe were you speaking

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.719
for I was just speaking

00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.159
speaking um do I ask if they want the r

00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.840
rep yeah um councelor cuts would you

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.519
like write a reply at

00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.840
all well we don't actually say so I'm

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.840
point so how do you you know in our

00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.119
local law you know um excuse me

00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:56.280
councelor Davenport I will explain thank

00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:57.199
you

00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.840
um and just perhaps for the audience we

00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:02.199
now have a new set of governance rules

00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.719
for and meeting procedures and we know

00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.360
longer ask whether a counselor is

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.599
speaking for or against they get an

00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.480
opportunity to speak to the motion and

00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:13.320
we used to go for and against and if

00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.800
there was no one against um there would

00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:17.880
be no right of reply but if someone did

00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:20.800
speak against there was right of reply

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.280
since we are not classifying that until

00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.519
people vote I will ask the Mover if they

00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.599
would like to have any further comment

00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.559
yes mayor I would actually and this is

00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.639
specifically in relation to councilor

00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.840
Davenport's indication that we aren't

00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.719
good at informing the community well I

00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.719
will go to the summary report in the

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:41.960
document which is an attachment May

00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.079
welcome everyone to read that it says

00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.159
and I'll I'll read it it says council is

00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:47.480
also committed to ensuring we are

00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.559
keeping the community informed on the

00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.360
outcomes of projects and how their

00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.079
feedback is Incorporated in the

00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.400
decision- making process this area will

00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.920
be a key Focus for us moving forward so

00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.360
I think that that closing the loop is

00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:04.440
very important but let's bring that to

00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:06.440
the four and make that understood that

00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.920
that that is a key priority councilors

00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
please support this motion thank

00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:14.159
you thank you counil Cuts I now will put

00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.199
the motion to the vote all those in

00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.039
favor please raise your hands it is

00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.480
carried unanimously

00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.320
we now move to item 10.2 Whitehorse

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.679
Community local law 2024 I seek a mover

00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.920
I say move councilor mcneel and a

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.079
secondo Havey to Second thank you

00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.000
councelor car councelor mcneel uh thank

00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.480
you uh mayor and councilors uh all local

00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.639
government authorities are required to

00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.320
develop a local law in accordance with

00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.079
Section 71 of the local Government Act

00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.000
2020 Whitehorse local law was last

00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.239
adopted in

00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:06.599
2014 and expires on 31 December this

00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.760
year the new local law if adopted

00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.480
tonight will take effect on 6 September

00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.119
uh avoiding the election period it it

00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:20.840
will operate for 10 years the community

00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.599
local law

00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:26.119
2024 uh includes changes in response to

00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:27.239
community

00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.599
feedback three new key Provisions in my

00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.480
view are worth

00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.199
highlighting dangerous land everyone

00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.519
hates living next door or walking past a

00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.599
disgusting rat-infested property with

00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.280
dangerously High Grass littered with

00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.480
rubbish and covered in graffiti like one

00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.800
standout property in my

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.719
ward this is the number one priority

00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.280
identified by the community engagement

00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.199
stronger action should lead to these

00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.079
property uh own properties being uh

00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:08.480
cleaned up and some sold helping to ease

00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.519
the housing crisis a win-win for our

00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.039
community the changes will strengthen

00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.599
council's ability to take effective

00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.039
action against owners and occupiers of

00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.719
land that is unsightly and situations

00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.480
likely to endanger life or property or

00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.719
deemed uh detrimental to the amenity of

00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.079
the local

00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.079
area Council authorized officers will

00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.920
finally have power to serve a notice to

00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.400
comply at or go direct to enforcement

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.480
action against the owner occupier and

00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.880
even fence off an area of the land if it

00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.920
is a risk to Public

00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:56.599
Safety second E Scooters we have seen

00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.440
the trials of e gter schemes in the city

00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.119
of Melbourne Yara and port philli and

00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.000
the use of these vehicles will grow as

00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.920
we move uh to the 20 minute neighborhood

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.000
uh densification in Whitehorse

00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.000
especially in Box Hill this new

00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.440
provision will require operators of

00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.679
ebikes and E Scooters schemes to apply

00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.719
to council for a permit to facilitate

00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.679
lawful use of these devices

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.239
uh across Whitehorse while the Advent

00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.440
of this type of uh travel achieves

00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.559
environmental goals zero emissions and

00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.719
health benefits for users there are

00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.880
risks to public and pedestrian Community

00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.280
safety that must be protected we have

00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:49.760
already seen some nasty accidents

00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.119
proactive regulation is really

00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:55.880
welcome and uh fire hazards which

00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.920
include vet vegetation and source of

00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.320
fuel for material likely to cause a

00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.320
risk other key changes to the policy

00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.119
include animal uh numbering penalties

00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.800
under the policy and the building and

00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.239
works code of conduct which is an

00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.840
incorporated document to the local

00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.440
law the tri s reporting from your phone

00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.400
is a great way to report these hazards

00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:24.800
direct to

00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.679
council now while Community feedback the

00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.400
draft policy went out for Community Feed

00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:33.519
consultation in March and April of this

00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.360
year total of 387 people visited the

00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.400
survey with 28 submissions received

00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.920
feedback included support for Council to

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.239
take action to deal with the use of

00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.400
council reserves hard Waste Management

00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.400
animal management skip pins monitoring

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.480
of footpath trading building site

00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.519
management and dumped uh shopping

00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.400
trolleys among

00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.360
others the community local law is

00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.559
consistent with the council plan uh a

00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.800
council that is well governed and the

00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:10.679
Whitehorse planning

00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.639
scheme section

00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.159
74.3 requires Council to engage an

00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.320
external lawyer to certify that

00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.559
council's local law is consistent with

00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.760
the legis legislative requirements of

00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.360
the Local Government Act

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.079
2020

00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.679
and the the new community local law will

00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.519
enable officers to better protect our

00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.000
community safely for for all Whitehorse

00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.599
residents and visitors to our great City

00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.519
I call on my co Council colleagues to

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.199
support its adoption thank you mayor and

00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.599
counselors thank you councelor mcneel

00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.239
and just for those listening in um you

00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.360
may have heard councilor mcneel refer to

00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.519
Trip s that's actually referring to Snap

00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.119
Send solve app on phones in case you're

00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.639
not used to that reference it is Snap

00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.920
Send solve just to clarify thank you

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.360
councilor

00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.639
mcneel councelor

00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.840
car thank you Madame mayor councilors 10

00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.239
years ago I was part of a subcommittee

00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.360
which helped to review the 2014 White

00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.760
Horse local law with Council off Officer

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.280
Steve Morrison and I am delighted to

00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.119
once again be sitting in the chamber

00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.800
voting in support tonight I would like

00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:36.159
to highlight a couple of local AWS some

00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.760
you may agree with some you won't

00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.400
however you need to be aware they exist

00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.960
first a bug bear of mine for many years

00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.320
especially when driving at night you may

00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.280
not realize that if your property has

00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.480
been allocated a property number by

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:52.960
Council the owner of that property must

00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.559
clearly display the property number in

00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.320
such a manner that is identifiable from

00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.840
the adjoining Road another is a somewhat

00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.119
controversial little known local law a

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.840
person must not without a permit install

00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.639
or maintain a gate or other structure to

00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.719
facilitate entry into a reserve from

00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.840
privately owned land also as Council MC

00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.400
mcneel mentioned a commercial operator

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.920
of an of an e scooter or ebike share

00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.480
scheme must not without a permit allow

00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.559
the operator of their e scooter or ebike

00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.719
to be used within the municipal

00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.159
District Council is one of the most

00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.320
relevant and important changes to this

00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.760
local law and one that is close to my

00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.920
heart and I receive many emails about

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.719
falls under the heading of condition of

00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.599
buildings the owner of land on which a

00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.480
building exists must not allow that

00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.239
building to be kept in a manner which is

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.920
a dilapidated B not secured to prevent

00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:03.079
unauthorized entry or C detrimental to

00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.760
the general amenity of the area in which

00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.440
the land is

00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.480
located personally I believe Point C to

00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.800
be the most destructive to our local

00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.800
community and one that will keep our

00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.679
local laws Enforcement Officers very

00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.280
busy another local law that would appeal

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.280
to many falls under the building and

00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.719
works code of practice Amendments have

00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.760
been made made to ensure Council can

00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.440
take action against building sites which

00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.719
pose a risk to Public

00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.639
Safety worth noting is infringements are

00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.679
now indexed under the monetary units act

00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.559
2004 which means that a penalty unit is

00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.119
increased annually by the state

00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.000
government there are a number of

00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:47.800
additional changes that have been made

00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:49.559
including the number of animals that can

00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.920
now be kept on private property and

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.760
while the restriction on lighting fires

00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:55.199
in the open and the Banning of

00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.519
incinerators is well known exemptions to

00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.760
lighting a fire in a safe device for the

00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.320
purpose of heating and in an outside

00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.599
barbecue providing it is being used for

00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.079
its intended purpose are not so well

00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:11.400
known I encourage residents to

00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.519
familiarize themselves with this revised

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:15.880
local law it makes a very interesting

00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.159
read I acknowledge not everyone will

00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.239
agree with all the documented local laws

00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.880
but they exist to enhance the welfare of

00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.400
all members of our community if adopted

00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.079
tonight the Whitehorse local law for

00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:30.440
2024 will commence on the 1st of

00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:31.880
September

00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.880
2024 sincere thanks to all officers and

00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.239
staff on writing such a comprehensive

00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.000
document well done and happy to

00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.599
Second thank you councilor Carr is there

00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:49.519
a further speaker May councelor Barker

00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.599
May 95% of this I think is excellent but

00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.840
there's 1% of it that really concerns me

00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:59.000
and that is um 2.16 the consumption of

00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.199
liquor we seem to have um decided that

01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.039
quite a person must not without a permit

01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.400
on counsil land or in a public place

01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:09.920
dispense or consume any liquor or be

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.920
have in their possession an open

01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.079
recepticle that contains liquor now I'm

01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:16.679
not sure if councilors are aware of this

01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.119
but in the state of Victoria the state

01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.800
government has decriminalized public

01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.159
drunkenness so you can be absolutely

01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.119
paralized drunk and it is not against

01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.840
the law in

01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.679
Victoria but if you've got an open

01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.760
can

01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.400
of

01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.320
Forex you're breaking the local

01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:44.320
law now I think I get what the organized

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:48.639
trying to to get at but you need to

01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.519
understand that unintended consequences

01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.639
of laws are very real and I want to take

01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:57.639
you to Glenda Wendy Gary and

01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.639
lorine any random name any random Park

01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:03.440
probably Elga Park in my instance or

01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.960
Springfield Park on a Friday night in

01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.320
summer watching their golden retrievers

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.679
run around happily these friends that

01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.159
have been going to that par for many

01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.119
years like to have a glass of chardonay

01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.800
together oh no we're criminalizing them

01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.079
with this now it's not the intention but

01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.480
that's the unintended consequence of

01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.400
this because there's no permit there is

01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.400
no liquor license there and that's what

01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.960
this is about I worked really hard this

01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.639
issue and I was told oh if you run a um

01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.320
an amendment it'll be you know there'll

01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.960
be it'll be the end of our health plan

01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.480
and there'll be drunkenness and all

01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:46.039
sorts of stuff I'm sorry but Manningham

01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.599
and Banu have these little areas that

01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:50.239
are just okay that probably makes sense

01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:51.360
I don't want people drinking on the

01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.000
streets in Box Hill I think it's undy but

01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.480
I do have a very classical liberal

01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.440
bent on it now this law could also be

01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:01.239
enforced by Victoria Police and there

01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:03.119
was some commentary that said well

01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.719
Victoria Police wanted it well guess

01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.360
what I'm not here to do the bidding for

01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.440
Victoria police because if you give

01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:12.559
police Powers they will use them

01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.119
regardless of what any footnote in the

01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.840
local law said I'll never ever forget

01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.079
during Co that woman in bendy go that

01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.639
was in her pink pajamas and her

01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.679
moccasins being shoved against your

01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.039
kitchen counter and handcuff by police

01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:28.840
because she wrote on Facebook that

01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.400
Daniel Andrews was a bum and people

01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.639
should attend her protest at the library

01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.559
now I suspect she's probably

01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.400
not on the road scholar list or a full

01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.639
bright scholar and I'd hardly think that

01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.000
she was a great threat to the order of

01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.639
civil society and I also don't think

01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:47.800
that Gary Wendy Lorraine having a glass

01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.679
of wine at a local park are a threat to

01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.800
our great democracy so Madame may I

01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.159
don't know where to take this because I

01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.079
have an amendment that says we'll pass

01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.199
it except the liquor um but councils I

01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.840
don't think we can pass this as it sits

01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.679
it is inconsistent with state law um

01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.159
we've seen today

01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.360
that yeah I'll leave it at that M

01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.880
question

01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.920
may yes counc Lane um thank you mat

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.880
through you to the CEO it's my

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.239
understanding that the current

01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:29.159
law um doesn't allow liquor to be

01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:33.320
consumed anywhere currently in the open

01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:34.880
is that

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.119
correct through mayor I'll check with

01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:39.079
the director of City development I do

01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:41.480
believe that is correct but Jeff Grant

01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.000
can answer

01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.719
it through you mayor that is correct at

01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:49.920
the moment there is a complete ban and

01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.599
this new local law is less restrictive

01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:54.880
and does allow the drinking for example

01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.719
with activities and

01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:03.480
events thank you Mr

01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.440
gr are there any further speakers to the

01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:08.079
motion I did have a question Council

01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.239
bker was sounding like you're going to

01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:12.800
move an amendment but then didn't like

01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.360
what I move an amendment May um well you

01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.440
have already spoken councilor Barker um

01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.519
I'll check with

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.199
governance I was seeking your guidance

01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.559
may but

01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:41.960
all right May I'll move it because it

01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.000
sounded to me like Council Barker wanted

01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:48.639
to move something but that's I'm happy

01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.519
to put that on the on the table so at

01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:52.280
least it can be debated as Council

01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:55.800
Barker intended

01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:58.079
thank you councelor Davenport do you

01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.000
have a

01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.039
seconder happy happy to

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:07.559
third seconded councelor state

01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.360
councelor

01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.719
um McNeil was the Mover um do you accept

01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.119
the amendment councelor mcneel and

01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.719
councilor

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:24.360
Carr excuse me a

01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:27.400
question the what's up on the screen

01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:29.440
actually doesn't make sense to me I

01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.639
think it's meant to say removal of

01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.639
section 2.6 consumption of liquor it it

01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:37.800
it has a the verb missing and that's

01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:39.119
what I'm happy to

01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.480
move anyway I'm seeking we had a mover

01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.599
and a seconder of the substantive so I

01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.760
am asking them whether or not they

01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.239
accept the

01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.519
amendment councelor mcneel through the

01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:56.960
chair can you tell me through the chair

01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.239
um will accept the amendment yes point

01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.519
of order

01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:05.360
mayor councelor Monro it is a

01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:07.760
substantial change to the officer's

01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.440
report I'm not sure if uh it's

01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:11.880
legitimate to be accepted as an

01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.280
amendment to the motion at this

01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.639
point

01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.679
it's the advice I'm being given is yes

01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.000
it does make a significant or

01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:29.679
substantial change but it's not

01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:31.880
considered an alternate because the

01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.000
alternate would be to not accept it a

01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:37.320
complete change so it is to be treated

01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.800
as an amendment I'll now go to councelor

01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.199
C do you accept it as an amendment no I

01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:42.880
do

01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:46.000
not thank you councilor

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:50.239
car we'll go to the de we'll now go to

01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:53.639
councelor Davenport toate well I I uh

01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.079
I've moved I've moved the motion to get

01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.119
it on the table and um in terms of Mayor

01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.920
the the reason that that I thought I

01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.320
would do that is because um if you look

01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:07.760
in the alcohol and drug Foundation May

01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:09.880
um back in November of

01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.239
2023 um as what council Barker mentioned

01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.320
um public intoxication has now been

01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.119
removed as a criminal fence here in

01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.920
Victoria um and the alcohol and drug

01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.840
Foundation had certainly um given a

01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.199
number of reasons why um why uh that

01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.480
changes were made and I think it's

01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.360
because if people are have are drinking

01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.320
in public PL places perhaps becoming

01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.960
intoxicated um there are other

01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.840
circumstances that are at play and

01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.239
hitting them with the full force of the

01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:46.679
law isn't always the answer there are

01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:48.280
diversionary programs that you can

01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.960
undertake education programs and

01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.119
Rehabilitation programs and that's why

01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:56.599
um the government has removed

01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:59.719
intoxication and as an extension to that

01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.599
we should be falling in line with with

01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.840
those particular elements if you look at

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.320
a health and well-being plan it's about

01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:10.079
harm minimization and discouraging the

01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.400
use of alcohol to an

01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.560
excess it's not it's not hitting them up

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.760
in our in our health and well-being plan

01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:22.840
but it's more about alternate types of

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:25.079
programs we should be following the lead

01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.640
of the state government here we should

01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.359
be removing this and looking at other

01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.960
ways to support members of the community

01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.640
that might have an impact on an alcohol

01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:37.920
related condition or

01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.560
otherwise now mayor I know that um at

01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.680
summertime one of the complaints I get

01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.399
are over full rubbish bins at our major

01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:52.960
facilities Halliday Park Box Hill

01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.000
Gardens um also lung chain and there are

01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:59.680
others that's because people go out on a

01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:01.640
on a um summer night as what council

01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.680
Barker said um lunchtime

01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:07.640
barbecues um and enjoys socialization

01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.560
with others and people do consume

01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:13.960
alcohol on a caseby casee basis and

01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.560
mainly within

01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.920
moderation we should be writing our

01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:21.399
local laws May on elements that we are

01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.840
going to enforce and we are going to say

01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.279
this is what important to the community

01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:29.720
not have things in our local law that we

01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:31.600
have no intention of

01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.239
enforcing my view this document serves

01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:38.319
as a a purpose to show the community of

01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.680
what's important in terms of minimal

01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.359
standards and I know that councilor

01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:46.600
mcneel has outlined a number of those

01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.399
minimum standards around the areas that

01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:51.079
we should be looking at in terms of

01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.119
local law in our domain

01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.720
cleanliness uh streetcape character you

01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.359
know incinerators and and bins and um

01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:02.680
and how long you have your beenin out

01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:04.840
for these are the things that are in the

01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:06.680
local government

01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.960
domain consumption of liquor and how

01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.199
that works is a partnership between

01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:14.720
local and state governments

01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.239
predominantly and you will also see that

01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.399
federal government sometimes has a role

01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.920
to play but it's always about harm

01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.920
minimization and it's always about

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000
helping people that need it the most and

01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.079
not hitting them over the head with the

01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.600
full force of the law councilors we

01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.880
should um be consistent with our other

01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:38.640
levels of government in this case and I

01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.920
urge your support to amend this local

01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.079
law thank

01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.560
you thank you councelor Davenport

01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.680
councelor stenard uh thank you mayor I

01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:50.279
won't say much except i' agree that it's

01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.680
just a sensible Amendment there's no

01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.600
right or wrong answers really uh

01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.159
counselor if you have a look at um you

01:10:58.239 --> 01:10:59.439
know what other councils do and there

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.479
are a range of various arrangements and

01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.239
some of them have been consistent with

01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.000
what we've done previously and some of

01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:07.800
them are much more relaxed some of them

01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:09.319
basically

01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.079
allow um more or less what this allows

01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.520
and some of them say um you know you can

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:16.880
drink wherever you want except for

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.880
certain areas um or at certain times and

01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.039
you know it's it's up to us counselors

01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:24.720
to to make laws that make sense for us

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.479
um i' I'd say that um one thing that

01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:32.520
comes to mind is don't solve a problem

01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:34.000
or don't try and solve a problem that

01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:37.600
isn't there um I I'm not thinking that

01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.680
if we do this today counselors that come

01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.520
you know 9:00 a.m. tomorrow we're going

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.359
to have hordes of people with 4x's in

01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.199
our Parks um Behaving Badly because

01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:51.520
they've drunken too much um I don't

01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:54.279
think anything largely will change as a

01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:56.039
result of this law all it will mean is

01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:59.000
that we we're not trying to create a rod

01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:00.600
for own back and not trying to create a

01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.680
law that we um shouldn't or possibly

01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.800
can't reasonably enforce anyway so our

01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:10.119
councilors it's Common Sense uh I think

01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.640
if we just approve this and monitor see

01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.239
how it goes we can always always review

01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:19.279
it if we need to if there's an issue uh

01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.439
as it comes up but I don't believe there

01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.119
is an issue that needs to be solved and

01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:28.359
and relaxing this particular local law

01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.760
makes sense in my

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.119
mind thank you councelor stet is there a

01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.079
further speaker yes maam

01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.840
question sorry sorry councelor councelor

01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.199
um I noticed just now that the

01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.039
recommendation up there and in our

01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:50.239
papers tonight says that the uh comes

01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:52.760
into effect on the 6th of

01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.319
September now that's fine and you may

01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.720
have heard that in my speech this

01:12:57.800 --> 01:12:59.399
evening I said it comes into effect on

01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.640
the 1st of September now I obviously I'm

01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:03.960
sitting here thinking well hang on I

01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:05.239
must have got that from somewhere

01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:07.439
because I originally had the sixth now

01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:11.039
if I go into the local law document in

01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:12.199
the

01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.199
attachments um actually on um hang on

01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:18.760
just a moment sorry um

01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:23.319
1.4 number 1.4 on page five um of the

01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:25.439
actual document it says the commen ment

01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.479
date this local law commences on the 1st

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.920
of September 2024 so I'd like to know

01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:35.319
which one is a is a typo please Andes

01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.199
first of September 3 Mr Green will come

01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.119
and clarify for

01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.000
us through you may that's a good pickup

01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:45.479
I I'll be inclined to go with what's

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.640
written in the actual local law attached

01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.079
to the agenda tonight which a few times

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:54.760
does refer to the 1st of September

01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:58.279
it is it is the first yes okay well yeah

01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:00.239
we need to amend the recommendation

01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.479
before we accept it

01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:11.680
please so we need to just put 1st of

01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.840
September in point

01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.760
two thank you for that pickup I now go

01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:22.439
to counselor Leu thank you counselors

01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.960
while I acknowledge that public

01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.640
intoxication is no longer a criminal

01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.159
offense in Victoria this is not a race

01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.079
to the bottom right Council has a duty

01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.880
of care and there's a level of standing

01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:38.720
expectation from our community as well

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.600
and while I'm all for personal freedoms

01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.880
we also have a responsibility

01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.159
particularly on in Council facilities

01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.960
and on Council land to ensure that it's

01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.079
a safe and welcoming place for

01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.039
all I I'd like to think that prevention

01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.880
is the best measure so for that reason I

01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.079
will not be supporting this amendment

01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:01.600
thank you

01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:03.800
councilors thank you councilor you is

01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:05.800
there a further speaker councelor Monro

01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:08.520
I can see your light on U thank you

01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:13.199
mayor uh councilors I I'm uh strongly

01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.239
opposing this uh Amendment the

01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:18.319
discussion that we've had so far about P

01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:21.279
public drunkenness uh and conflating it

01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:23.840
to what's been proposed in the community

01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.199
law uh I think is inappropriate the

01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.680
removal of public drunkenness was about

01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.880
removing uh criminal treatment of uh

01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:34.920
people who had issues with alcohol uh

01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.520
particularly indigenous communities what

01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:40.760
we're talking about here uh is not at

01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.079
that end of the spectrum it's it's about

01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.119
people consuming alcohol in our public

01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.840
spaces outside organized events now

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:50.159
we've actually loosen the law as has

01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:54.359
been said said tonight but um in

01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:55.840
discussions prior tonight people have

01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.600
talked about you know having a chardonay

01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.640
watching the football that's not where

01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.880
the target of this is likely to be I

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.039
I'll put another scenario that uh we had

01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.359
an example a parable of a number of

01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:11.239
named people but um and I've experienced

01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.920
this during my time on Council where

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.079
groups of young people have congregated

01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:18.720
in parks in the dark in the evening

01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:22.960
consuming alcohol and that's the sort of

01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:24.960
behavior that we we don't want to

01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.439
encourage it's better that that's done

01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:29.640
in licensed premises on people's homes

01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.039
where people are much safer uh rather

01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:33.840
than being out in the dark in Council

01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:35.359
places where we do have some

01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.479
jurisdiction and what we're trying to

01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.399
seek with this this law so I think it's

01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:45.039
it's it's not um correct to uh to

01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:47.640
correlate the public drunkenness changes

01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:49.520
that the state government have made of

01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:51.000
what we're trying to achieve in the

01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:53.399
local law and I want to make that

01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.319
distinction uh that's clear um it's also

01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.039
we also have had some briefing about

01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.640
some problems in terms of some gaps in

01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.760
the regulatory uh regime that this will

01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.880
bring if we we go down this track um we

01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:10.199
have gone through public consultation on

01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.199
on the matter and I think uh councilors

01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.520
I'd strongly support you to not accept

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:16.319
this

01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:19.600
amendment can I have a question mayor

01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:22.399
councilor Davenport your question um to

01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.279
the CEO the last um period of time where

01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.399
the local law has been enforced how many

01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:31.439
um times has a council officer handed

01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.359
out a fine for consuming alcohol or as

01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:38.119
councilor um monr indicated group of um

01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.680
teenagers drinking in the

01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:49.079
park Jeff Green will answer uh three

01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:50.119
unfortunately I don't have that

01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:52.079
information at the moment so I'd have to

01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:56.840
take that on notice thank you

01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.560
third speaker yes mayor um

01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.039
actually councelor skilbeck had her

01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:05.600
light on first councilor skilbeck uh

01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.920
thank you uh mayor um I'm not in support

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.560
of this amendment and I agree with and

01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.560
thank uh councelor Monroe and Council

01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:17.439
Leu for their comments which I won't

01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:21.079
repeat the um small perhaps not small

01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.439
matter that I will focus on is to remind

01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.720
counselors that any Amendment will

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:29.319
require recertification of the local law

01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:31.960
I think that's an extremely unnecessary

01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:36.119
additional expense we are relaxing this

01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:39.039
provision from what applies currently it

01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.960
is not out of step with the majority of

01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:45.159
surrounding councils and it is in

01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.760
support of Vic pole strategies it does

01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.960
not mean that we take a black and white

01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.319
approach to every instance um but as uh

01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.479
Council lar said it it is not about us

01:18:57.560 --> 01:18:59.439
all agreeing or seeing our own

01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.439
convenience in every Clause of the local

01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.119
law it is about enhancing Community

01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:07.039
welfare

01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.760
overall so I would suggest mayor that um

01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:12.600
it is not reasonable to go to the

01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.319
additional expense of recertification

01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:17.840
for this matter alone I don't believe

01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:20.680
there is a problem to be solved and if I

01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:22.640
may further mayor I'd like to ask a

01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:24.039
question because I'm not sure that the

01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:25.199
recommend

01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:27.760
works as it currently stands if there's

01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.520
recertification then presumably coming

01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.279
into effect on the 1st of September

01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:34.199
would be at risk and I would ask

01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.880
officers to

01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.960
comment Jeff Green uh through man my

01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:47.840
understanding is that we could still

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:49.760
meet that time frame of the 1st of

01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:52.840
September

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.560
thank you Mr

01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.199
gr further speakers counselor Cuts I

01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:03.039
think was next and councelor Lane you

01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.199
may go after her thank you uh I am in in

01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:08.520
favor of this mayor and there are a

01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:12.000
couple of reasons for that um I truly

01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:13.760
believe that to get an authorized

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.319
officer to impound an open or unopened

01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:19.039
container of liquor is putting them in

01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:21.600
danger this is something that we as

01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:23.439
counselors are always told if we're

01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:25.920
dealing with a person who got escalated

01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.640
issues of um offensive Behavior or

01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.600
aggressive we stay away so I I really

01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.760
believe that this is something which is

01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.079
not needed there I believe also with the

01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:38.119
state government they've moved to remove

01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:40.520
that uh only a couple of days ago may I

01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.720
was walking P past Mitchum Pub um on a

01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:45.439
walk through there and a man was lying

01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.720
on the ground and he was clearly drunk

01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:50.960
and prob possibly that I'll stop there

01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.079
but he was clearly not with it and a

01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:56.000
gentleman walked toward towards me and

01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.439
we spoke together and he rang the police

01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.000
and and I this came to my mind that he's

01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:05.000
that's not illegal now to so so I really

01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:06.399
think some of these things are important

01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:07.840
we need to fish where the fish are we

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:09.800
need to focus on what our Core Business

01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:12.960
is but by asking authorized officers

01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:14.720
when they won't go up to somebody in the

01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:17.079
park when their dogs off lead to

01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:18.960
actually then ask them to go no you take

01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:21.359
impound that open or unopen container of

01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:23.520
liquor I think is a lot worse because

01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:25.840
that will be escalating even more than a

01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:29.720
dog off lead so um I do support this to

01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.560
be removed thank you

01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.920
mayor thank you councilor Cuts councilor

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.920
Lane thank you mayor I must say I'm

01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:42.119
feeling quite uh discombobulated right

01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:46.439
now as we advised by Mr Green any moment

01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.119
ago right now you're not allow drink

01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:50.880
anywhere in the public space within

01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:51.720
White

01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:55.680
Horse the inclusion of the

01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.640
with before the amendment enables

01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:00.600
consumption with some pretty liberal

01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.199
guidelines around activities planned

01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.439
events Etc but restricts drinking on

01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:07.840
Suburban streets like a station Street

01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:08.880
in

01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:12.359
Box Hill removing the claw enables a free

01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.279
for- all drink where you like when you

01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:18.720
like go forth and consume

01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.000
wherever it's not the right message for

01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:23.439
our city of Whitehorse

01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:27.439
May councilor Cuts refers to

01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.079
uh our officers won't approach someone

01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.479
who's drinking or

01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.319
drunk well they may not they will

01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:38.520
approach someone with a dog off lead so

01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:39.720
why

01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.720
not it gives them ability to raise an

01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.760
issue with police particularly if the

01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:46.039
person is

01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.159
aggressive counselors Common Sense vote

01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.760
against this

01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.399
amendment are there any further speakers

01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:57.800
as matter of fact there is me councilor

01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:00.760
Barker well thanks it it becomes pretty

01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:02.800
apparent doesn't it this chamber sort of

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.840
divides with the Puritans and the the

01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.880
sort of prohibitionists and a point of

01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:09.119
order

01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.760
May will not need to be stated speciic

01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:15.159
we not be using directed at councelor

01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.319
May reading between the lines and I

01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:19.560
think that's totally

01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.159
inappropriate thank you councelor Monroe

01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.840
councilor Barker using labels and

01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:28.199
referring to your colleagues which was

01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:30.199
where you were going with your comments

01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:32.039
is not appropriate in the chamber can

01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.800
you please desist from using labels may

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:37.079
I was trying to characterize the debate

01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:38.439
and there are those of us that are sort

01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.039
of more socially liberal and um

01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:42.800
concerned about these things and those

01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:46.399
that want to stick

01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.399
to or want to support a law that we

01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:52.159
don't know has ever even been enforced

01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:55.279
in Whitehorse yeah

01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:57.000
on the remember the dog park scene

01:23:57.079 --> 01:23:58.239
people said to me oh that's what people

01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:00.720
were doing anyway you just made an offl

01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:04.079
dog park a formerly offl dog poot that

01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:09.079
wasn't true local people take local laws

01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:10.039
really

01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.039
seriously and the people in our city are

01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:14.479
good people because they do take their

01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.560
law seriously I take them

01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:19.520
seriously and I know everyone in this

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.439
room would take them seriously if you

01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:25.680
include this I'm sure everyone in room

01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.680
everyone in this room will take it

01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.760
seriously because I can guarantee

01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.159
you and guarantee you that the the

01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:37.479
photos will turn up there's there's

01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:39.520
counselor so and so having a beer at

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.880
Elga park with Gary Warren and Lorraine

01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:45.119
on a Friday night Mr McMillan are you

01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:47.560
going to issue a fine there's Council

01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.880
Lan having a beer with his mates at Elga

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:52.520
Park after playing in a away cricket

01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:54.680
game it's not an organized event it's

01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:56.680
not part of a licensed facility and

01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.720
there'll be a photograph taken

01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.960
May thank you Council Lane again you are

01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:04.760
referring directly to behavior of

01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.520
counselors and they are part of a club

01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:09.039
and usually when they're playing sport

01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:12.119
they go into the club facilities well

01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:13.720
characterize it that way Madame mayor

01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.800
but my point being is that this will

01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:18.760
come back and bite people because I take

01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.319
it very seriously but that is what will

01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:23.520
happen the state government's made it

01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:24.800
very clear

01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:27.159
that you know public intoxication isn't

01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:28.920
an off isn't an

01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.039
offense point of order yes councelor car

01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.199
what is your point of order my point of

01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.319
order is that the actual document before

01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:41.760
us has a note there that says if I may

01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.119
um this Clause does not apply where

01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.399
liquor is being consumed within a

01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:49.840
premises or at a location which is which

01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:51.800
is licensed under the liquor control

01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:55.359
Reform Act 1998 or where liquor is

01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:57.439
provided as part of an organized

01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.119
activity or event that has been approved

01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:04.199
by council with a permit so even if

01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:06.560
councelor Barker we are there and any

01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:09.720
one of us is there consuming a drink at

01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:13.760
a licensed event we are rul are legally

01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.000
allowed to do so Council car thank you

01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:20.560
um I move the motion be put me um we

01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:21.479
will

01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.439
resolve right now I would prefer if you

01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:25.800
have a point of order you actually

01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:28.640
Define what the point of order is I I

01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:31.239
would if there was a heading believe

01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:35.359
um you wanted to to look at some things

01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:38.079
that were in the policy and

01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.720
and I suppose push them to um people's

01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:44.359
thoughts Council Barker you were in the

01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.319
middle of your speech um I I will very

01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:49.119
difficult to continue I will allow

01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.399
Council Barker I will allow you to

01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:54.159
continue but I will say once more do not

01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.279
not describe the personality

01:26:57.359 --> 01:26:59.800
personalities or your colleagues in any

01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:04.039
way talk to the facts of the issue

01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:07.359
please this will have grave unintended

01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:09.039
consequences for individuals in this

01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.760
room and I include Council Executives

01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:13.159
and I'm not suggesting anyone in this

01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:16.199
room is a boozer or a you know a

01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.800
carouser far from it and the good people

01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:20.399
and that's what's going to happen here I

01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.800
know that's not the intent of the law

01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:25.039
but I'm not here to do the bidding for

01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.520
Victoria Police or the Police

01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:29.520
Association because they're not happy

01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:31.479
with the state government I'm not here

01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:34.760
to do that I'm not here to do that you

01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.399
give police Powers they will exercise

01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:41.079
them I'm not sure what intention I don't

01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:42.720
think I know a lot of police locally and

01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:44.279
I don't think they're intending to

01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.319
Target the sort of Gary Wendy Lorraine

01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:49.640
and Glenda down at Elga Park on a Friday

01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:53.479
night so the question that I ask is who

01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.840
are they in intending to Target cuz

01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:57.800
you've seen that great meme haven't it

01:27:57.880 --> 01:27:59.640
first they come for the trade

01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.800
unus then they come for what was it then

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.359
they come for me no M you can't support

01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.640
you can't support this it's

01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.960
wrong thank you councilor Barker are

01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:15.960
there any further speakers before motion

01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.239
put the motion yeah I wish to speak I

01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:21.720
had my procedural motion got in first I

01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:25.119
did want to make some comments um

01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:26.680
have you got something to add point of

01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.439
order a procedural motion's been put

01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:32.800
no all right point point of order mayor

01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:34.640
I don't think uh someone who's spoken in

01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:36.920
the debate's enabled to do a procedural

01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.439
motion to put the motion if I

01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.960
recall you need to check that they're

01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:45.640
just checking on

01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.079
that may I believe it's up to you is the

01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.399
chair to determine whether the debate

01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:52.239
has been sufficiently exhausted can we

01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:54.680
um just wait until governance come back

01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.640
with their interpretation please it's

01:28:57.720 --> 01:28:59.279
not for everybody to be putting their

01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:02.880
views on the table thank

01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.840
you all right they have said it is

01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.239
silent I hear that there is a a lot of

01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.640
um angst amongst everybody I am going to

01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:27.800
allow councelor mcneel to speak and I

01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:31.039
will then have just a couple of comments

01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:32.560
there is one thing that has not been

01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:34.920
raised by anybody which I will raise but

01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:37.199
I'll go to councelor mcneel councelor

01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:40.399
mcneel please only bring new information

01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:44.159
please oh thank you very much and I I I

01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:48.439
really only just want to uh say that

01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:52.720
um the I I I do have concerns on both

01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:56.640
sides of of this debate I can see the

01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.960
the advantages uh in the in particularly

01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:03.520
the cost associated with recertification

01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:04.560
is a

01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.239
significant uh issue for us to have to

01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:11.560
deal with if the if the amendment is not

01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.079
uh if the amendment goes through um but

01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:18.800
also I'm concerned that uh a person who

01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:22.800
is sitting with their friends uh at at

01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:26.520
malt Albert Reserve or or somewhere else

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:30.920
um like um like the Probus group or or

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.319
um that's the mber pro Probus group or a

01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:37.000
um another group are just sitting there

01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.119
having a few drinks and they haven't

01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:43.479
they haven't got alcohol I really H

01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:47.199
haven't got um snacks or food as a as a

01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:50.520
meal as such that they might that an

01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:54.319
overzealous um community laws officer

01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.159
choose to to take action against them

01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:00.520
when they're really really harmless and

01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:04.039
just trying to to relax after a busy day

01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:07.960
or a hot day so I I am quite Twisted by

01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:08.920
this

01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:13.159
particular um issue I I can see uh

01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:17.920
benefits of um of the so of the um

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:21.319
Amendment and I can also see uh in term

01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:23.199
particularly in terms of being

01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:24.760
consistent with with state government

01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:26.319
legislation which I think is very

01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:29.039
important but as I said also see some

01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.760
issues with it uh in terms of uh where

01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:35.520
we're at with it now so I those are my

01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:36.760
comments thank

01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:39.600
you thank you Council mcneel and I did

01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.479
say that there was something I wish to

01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.760
raise I do believe that we are

01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:46.560
responsible for ensuring harm

01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:50.800
minimization by whatever um substances

01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:52.640
we're discussing in this case it's

01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:56.000
alcohol and one of the things that we

01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:57.920
haven't mentioned and that is people who

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:01.159
may drive to a park and then

01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:06.000
drink where um they may have too much we

01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:08.880
don't want to be seen to have encouraged

01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:11.279
people to go and drink and then get into

01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:14.359
a car to drive home I do see drink

01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:17.079
driving as a significant issue in this

01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:19.600
in community generally I'm not saying

01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:22.479
just in Whitehorse I'm saying generally

01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:24.279
I think we should focus on on harm

01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:27.199
minimization for our community I believe

01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.319
responsible citizens will understand and

01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.520
will try to

01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.600
um recognize what we consider is

01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:39.920
appropriate behavior for the best of all

01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.840
so um you are welcome to go to an event

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:47.279
where you can um perhaps have a moderate

01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:49.800
amount you can have something at home

01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:53.159
whatever but perhaps just going out

01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:54.760
drinking

01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:58.960
um freely in uh perhaps not an event

01:32:59.039 --> 01:33:02.079
situation is not a great role model for

01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:05.399
those coming up either so I um now will

01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:08.720
put the motion to the

01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:11.159
vote the amendment sorry it is the

01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:14.000
amendment and if this amendment gets up

01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:15.800
the substantive will change if it

01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:17.439
doesn't we will go back to the

01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.680
substantive with with the with the

01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.600
amended date with the amended date

01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:24.479
correct

01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:28.239
okay all those in favor of the

01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.439
amendment councelor mcneel councelor

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:35.439
stet councelor Barker councelor Cutz

01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.119
councelor

01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:47.720
devonport I'm just marking them

01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:51.640
off those

01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:55.439
against councelor car

01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:56.560
Council

01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.159
Elane councelor skilbeck

01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.000
Council

01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.199
Leu councilor

01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.880
massud councelor

01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.800
Monroe the amendment is lost we now

01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:12.359
revert to the

01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:14.600
substantive with the amended date with

01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:18.079
the amended date of the 1st of September

01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.640
I move the

01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:24.000
motion there's a procedual motion I

01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:26.640
think we've all expressed our opinion so

01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:30.000
I don't think we need any further debate

01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.720
we will put the motion we are now voting

01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.000
on The substantive motion with the

01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:37.840
adjusted date being the 1st of September

01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:41.680
2024 all those in

01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:49.159
favor okay we have councelor Leu

01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:51.600
councelor skilbeck councel Lane

01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:55.239
councelor car councelor cuts

01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:58.039
councelor mcneel councelor stennet

01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:01.199
councelor Monroe councelor massud those

01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:03.399
against councelor

01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:07.000
Barker and councelor Davenport the

01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:09.000
substantive motion with the adjusted

01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:10.920
date is now

01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:14.399
passed thank you

01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:24.399
everybody we now move to item 10.3

01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:28.039
the draft gambling harm minimization

01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:31.520
policy I seek a mover happy to move

01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:35.439
mayam moved councelor Monro second May

01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.840
councelor Cuts seconding councelor

01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.920
Monroe uh thank you mayor um I'll start

01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:44.359
off by referring to the backround report

01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:48.399
from last October to sort of frame uh

01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:50.760
what the issue is with gambling in our

01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:53.880
community so the statistics we have have

01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.960
uh 70% of victorians gamble one in five

01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:00.840
of victorians who gamble experience harm

01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:03.840
from that uh extraordinarily we've seen

01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:07.720
this explosion in uh advertising online

01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:10.840
and on TV and our statistics here are

01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.159
this is just for Victoria on a daily

01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:16.920
basis there are 948 free to a ads on TV

01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.359
in Victoria and of course broken down in

01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:21.119
the regions and in the metropolitan area

01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.560
it's an extraordinary number your

01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:26.359
the risk of Lifetime gambling for

01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.760
individuals who gamble online is three

01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:33.439
times uh the rest of uh those involved

01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:35.960
with gambling and the ages at most at

01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:41.000
risk uh 18 to 24 year olds and 55 to 65

01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.560
year olds so it's at both ends I guess

01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:46.439
of that that age spectrum that are are

01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.560
at risk of gambling issues and we know

01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:51.960
that 4% of suicides in Victoria are

01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:54.119
gambling related but I think the figure

01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:57.199
that's quite important for us to note is

01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:00.920
6.1% of victorians are harmed by someone

01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:04.359
else's gambling so Financial abuse or

01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:06.840
all sorts of other problems and that's a

01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:08.840
multipli by the Victorian population

01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:11.319
that's a significant uh number of our

01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:13.239
community and you can extrapolate that

01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:16.840
out to uh the city of Whitehorse uh as

01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.479
well now we're not as badly affected I

01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:21.920
guess as some municipalities but it is

01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:25.560
certainly an issue so leading into this

01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:27.279
report a comprehensive engagement

01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:28.800
process was undertaken with our

01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:31.119
community to see what our community's

01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:34.279
attitudes were towards gambling uh and

01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:36.199
the prevalence engag community support

01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:39.079
for potential policy options as outlined

01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:42.760
in the 2023 gambl gambling policy review

01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:44.560
background report that I was just

01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:46.880
referring to and the engagement methods

01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:49.199
we took we did online surveys with hard

01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:51.359
copies available at key locations a

01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:53.520
workshop with gambling Support Services

01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:55.560
interviews with gambling venues

01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:58.760
presentation with Q&A at sporting clubs

01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:00.680
and we had five popups at various

01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:02.680
locations across the municipality

01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:05.119
including the positive age forum and we

01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:07.279
had two optional counselor workshops so

01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.000
we had 153 responses via the community

01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:13.119
survey and popups uh leading into the

01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:15.720
report that's before us tonight in

01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:18.000
relation to gambling we have a statutory

01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.159
obligation to assess planning permits in

01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.399
relation to electronic gaming machines

01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:25.439
and so we need a policy in place to help

01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:27.600
uh underpin that work when it comes

01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.199
before us and we need to assess the

01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:32.640
potential social economic impacts of an

01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.239
application and the policy will help us

01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:36.960
shape that as we move

01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:39.479
forward um we don't have the same role

01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:42.319
in terms of other gambling uh online

01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:44.239
gambling which is obviously growing

01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:46.359
quite substantially but we do have a

01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:48.319
role as an organization to support

01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:52.000
members of our our community as we move

01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:55.199
forward what we we also know is that in

01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:57.520
terms of uh what our community is

01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.239
telling us Council events activities

01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.479
programs uh 2third of respondents uh

01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:04.039
said that no number

01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.960
of council hosted programs or events are

01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:08.479
acceptable in venues where there're

01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:10.960
electronic gaming machines gambling

01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:12.640
activities on publicly owned land and

01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:16.439
buildings 80% uh of our respondents said

01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:20.520
No gambling on Council land and then

01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:22.760
gambling promotion on Council own land

01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:26.199
the figure was 87% of our community uh

01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:28.319
said that there should be no advertising

01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.920
on any Council land or facilities so

01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:33.840
that's the background of how we we got

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.600
here today and so uh the policy has been

01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.199
reviewed this is a draft policy which is

01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:41.119
uh scheduled to go out for Community

01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.319
consultation so it said Community input

01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:45.279
and officer input and the report that's

01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:47.680
before us tonight and so then it will go

01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:50.399
through uh a public consultation uh and

01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:52.479
come back to council for a decision at a

01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.720
later period of time time so councilors

01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:56.920
I endorse the policy that's presented

01:39:57.000 --> 01:39:58.880
before us tonight and encourage you to

01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.439
support the motion on the screen thank

01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:04.000
you thank you councilor monor councelor

01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:07.800
Cutz thank you very much mayor um

01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:10.119
everyone loses when it comes to gambling

01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:12.800
harm and it's not just confined only to

01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:15.880
money people lose their relationships

01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:18.960
their support networks their jobs their

01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:21.920
own well-being and sometimes their lives

01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.279
based on International comparisons

01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:26.800
researchers estimate that one in five

01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:31.560
suicides in Australia are related to

01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:34.680
gambling Australians lose about $25

01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:37.800
billion in legal forms of gambling each

01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:39.520
year according to the Australian

01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:41.800
Institute of Health and Welfare which is

01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:44.640
the largest per capita losses in the

01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.319
world that is the 2nd of October

01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:50.159
23 so if you don't think we have a

01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:54.680
problem you are part of the problem

01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.199
so what this report here is is going out

01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.279
for consultation it's about minimizing

01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:02.680
what can we as council do gambling is a

01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.319
very very complex issue and it requires

01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.600
it's a bit like the housing crisis

01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:09.640
gambling is something that we have to

01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:11.239
deal with at every single different

01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:13.159
level of government and we have to work

01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.680
together the state has recently bought

01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:17.720
in pre-commitment limits and mandatory

01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.439
carded play for example at Crown casino

01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:22.479
but that's pushed the problem out to the

01:41:22.560 --> 01:41:26.199
pubs r and things like that so we've got

01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:29.199
we've got to work this together uh what

01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:32.159
this particular policy has done after

01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:35.520
consultation um it's it's going out once

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:38.239
again to to see what people wish about

01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:41.439
this and um and so basically what we're

01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.920
looking here is to get council's support

01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.680
to put this out to the community to um

01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:51.560
get feedback and to

01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:55.960
um it's it's between the 9th of July

01:41:56.039 --> 01:41:58.600
which is tomorrow until Tuesday the 30th

01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:01.479
of July will be out for engagement and I

01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:04.680
I seek counselor's um support with this

01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:06.840
I know that there are some issues in

01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:08.880
here which are controversial but there

01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:11.640
are certainly others areas which are

01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.960
very sensible and I commend the report

01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:16.399
thank you

01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:19.079
mayor thank you councelor Cuts is there

01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:21.439
another speak I have an amendment

01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:22.760
councelor Davenport you have an

01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:25.159
amendment

01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:32.520
yep we can it's um to remove uh 7.1 and

01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:37.079
7.16 out of the draft um policy before

01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:40.479
it goes out to community

01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:50.840
consultation is there um acceptance of

01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:54.000
that Amendment no ma'am

01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:57.079
okay do you have a second it does Mad

01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:00.439
May seconded councelor Barker we'll then

01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:02.199
go to the debate to discuss the

01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:04.840
amendment uh thank you mayor and uh 7.1

01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:07.039
about the uh prohibiting of hosting in

01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.279
community events the reason I'm uh uh

01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:12.640
suggesting that this be removed is

01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:15.439
because this this absolutely shuts the

01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:18.560
door on any type of Outreach the council

01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:20.640
might want to do in the future about any

01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:23.199
type of events or activities in in

01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:25.359
venues that have electronic gaming

01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.439
machines now in Box Hill Chase mayor on

01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.199
the third floor there's a number of

01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:32.359
poking machines and that venue is three

01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:35.279
stories correction I think

01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:39.600
Forest what did I say Oh wrong suburb

01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:42.000
but right last name Forest Hill Chase

01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:43.920
has got the Pokey at the top and it's

01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.039
three stories and it's got retail at the

01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:47.960
bottom and part of that got space at the

01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:51.000
chase it's hosted by Whitehorse

01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:55.399
Church's carare and um in my view um the

01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:58.800
Whitehorse that particular space at the

01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:02.600
chase would be an ideal place an ideal

01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:05.399
place to have anti-gambling type program

01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:07.439
working in conjunction with them as

01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.840
partners or alternatively a popup for

01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:13.319
the elderly like positive aging or

01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:16.640
providing support to um the the group

01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:18.800
that there that does um the phone calls

01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:20.600
to people that live alone the White

01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:22.760
Horse Community Support register people

01:44:22.840 --> 01:44:24.039
there

01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:26.239
we shouldn't be shutting the door by an

01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:30.039
outright prohibition on that's suggested

01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:33.279
in 7.1 it needs to be watered down my

01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.720
suggestion is it's removed as part of

01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:38.079
community consultation any member of the

01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.680
community should say yes it should or it

01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:42.600
shouldn't and then we can decide at that

01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:44.960
particular point in time we shouldn't be

01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:47.159
shutting the door to be able to reach

01:44:47.239 --> 01:44:50.199
out to our most vulnerable in a in a

01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:53.359
venue not in the vicinity of Forest Hill

01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:55.680
where the pokers are couple stores down

01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.000
in the shopping center in the venue but

01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:01.600
just not that level so 7.1 I'm

01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:04.399
suggesting that that is removed the

01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:06.119
second is uh

01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:10.319
716 groups or events now I'm thinking

01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:12.239
there's two events that there's two

01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.039
venues that come to my mind that are

01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:17.880
heavily used by members of the community

01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:20.079
those two events are those two venues

01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:23.520
are Box Hill RSL and the Box Hill golf club

01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:26.840
now the golf club has the pokies on the

01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:29.520
ground floor but there is a substantial

01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:33.279
function space on level one it's ideally

01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:34.479
separated

01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.319
out and it's used by a number of groups

01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:39.880
within the city of Whitehorse that

01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.039
would mean if this goes ahead not

01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:45.520
provide any funding for events or

01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:48.520
activities of that occur there now I'll

01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:51.680
go through a few of the groups Lions

01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:53.680
rotary

01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:57.319
probers various Church

01:45:57.399 --> 01:45:59.199
groups

01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:03.640
schools the list goes on of groups that

01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:07.199
use and sporting clubs that have

01:46:07.279 --> 01:46:09.760
functions end of VI functions because

01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.159
it's cost cost

01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:16.079
effective and uh and it's in a locations

01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:19.199
that that are separated from gaming but

01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:20.920
what this is saying is not to provide

01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:24.319
any support for these groups that have a

01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:27.199
ventair Victoria Police another example

01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:28.720
which came to my mind and I know a

01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.840
number of counselors were here at that

01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:33.359
session that Vic Paul ran earlier this

01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.920
year at Box Hill golf club I'm

01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:40.720
not what I'm saying for

01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:43.079
7.16 is

01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:46.119
that this is a uh not provide any

01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:48.279
funding well we shouldn't go out of our

01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:50.920
way but it shouldn't be a general

01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.439
prohibition either and that's why

01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:55.560
what we currently do at the moment there

01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.560
are events that we sponsor I think that

01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:01.319
that we contribute to um Whitehorse

01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:02.960
business group and others at sometime

01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:06.119
run their events at Box Hill golf club now

01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:08.720
if I turn my mind to the

01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:13.359
RSL Box Hill RS hell at um 716 they

01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:16.199
provide a significant amount of support

01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:18.520
to Veterans and their families within

01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:20.319
within the city of Whitehorse and

01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:23.239
Beyond and there are a number of events

01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:26.079
that Council should be involved in one

01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:28.840
that comes to my mind is the Box Hill

01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:31.239
gardens the the Senate half and the work

01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:35.000
that's done out there um you know having

01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:38.840
716 in in place any events or activities

01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:41.319
that occur in a gaming venue we can't

01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:44.079
support think of the allons club think

01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:46.600
of the Probus Club think about the chis

01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:48.840
the the events that we go to for

01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:52.159
sporting opens and presentation nights

01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:54.880
that we will no longer be able to

01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:58.479
support if 716 gets up now I'm just

01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.159
suggesting it's deleted members of the

01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:02.880
community I'm sure will be listening in

01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:04.720
to the debate we've had tonight if they

01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:06.680
want members of the community want these

01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.560
Clauses put back in they just write that

01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:12.079
into their submission to council it's

01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:15.399
very it's a lot harder to have something

01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:18.319
taken out than it is to have something

01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:21.920
put in um to a policy when you have

01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.439
Community cont consultation these two I

01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:26.680
think are quite important to have

01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:28.960
removed and conduct can have the

01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:33.239
position as our current status quo for

01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:35.319
Council thank you

01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:38.680
mayor a question mayor if I may

01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:41.399
councelor skilbeck um I'm wondering if

01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:43.439
mayor if officers could respond in

01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:45.640
creating distinction around the chase

01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:48.560
hotel which has been referenced not

01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.520
creating any impediment in relation to

01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:54.720
other occupiers of Forest Hill Chase

01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:56.720
including the Whitehorse Church's care

01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:59.560
use of the community Hub could we have

01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:01.319
clarification

01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:06.560
please Lisa letic will speak to the

01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:11.319
question thank you mayor the policy

01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:14.800
draft would indicate that any activity

01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:16.439
that is happening within those Gaming

01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:18.079
facilities would not be funded by

01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:20.600
Council um so the Whitehorse Church's

01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:23.760
care um operating from that facility if

01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.319
it's the same proprietor operator of the

01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:27.960
facility that they were occupying they

01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:29.399
would not be eligible for

01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:32.479
funding

01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:36.399
question your question so to extend that

01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:38.239
that that obviously only means what is

01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:40.680
your question C my questions to follow

01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:44.199
up to what Miss Le said surely then

01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.840
that's just forbidding activities in the

01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:48.479
gaming room at the Box Hill R so because

01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:51.119
that's a massive facility with

01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:53.399
historical installation

01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:56.600
knitting rooms um what do you you know

01:49:56.680 --> 01:50:00.680
when they the library the uniform

01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.760
libraries

01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:08.600
ltic thank you may it relates to the

01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:12.399
proximity of the activity to the gaming

01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:14.600
venues in the access to so by minimizing

01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:17.199
harm we're trying to separate community

01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:19.560
members from those incidental exposure

01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:22.720
to gaming activities and by SE by that

01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:26.000
separation we are proposing and the

01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:27.520
evidence suggests that there would be a

01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:30.600
reduction in harm caused by that

01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.479
exposure I also have a question really I

01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:35.720
think I'm asking this question to make

01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:39.239
it very clear to those listening um and

01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.279
there were a number of of groups named

01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:44.960
Lions Rosary churches schools sporting

01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:50.439
clubs Vic police Etc that was um to do

01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:52.359
more with Box Hill golf club but at any

01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:56.279
like licensed venue and what I wish um

01:50:56.359 --> 01:51:00.399
to confirm is that

01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:04.199
7.1 allows those groups to still have

01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:07.359
their functions there it is simply that

01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.840
Council will not provide any funding for

01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:13.279
those functions or events so we're not

01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:15.359
preventing them from having their events

01:51:15.439 --> 01:51:17.159
there they can have their events where

01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:18.840
they want it's just where the council

01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:20.760
would contribute to funding for the

01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:23.359
event is that correct that's correct

01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.520
mayor and just to further clarify we

01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:27.800
would also be able to continue to fund

01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.319
those um organizations but not for those

01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:33.520
activities if should they occur or we

01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:35.960
plan to occur within those gaming

01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:38.680
venues so the other activities could

01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.279
receive funding from Council but held at

01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.960
a different location thank you for the

01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:47.199
clarification a question may Council

01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:50.520
Monroe I I actually do want to um take

01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:52.600
Lisa letter back to her answer with

01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:54.319
regards to forestal Chase and I I

01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:56.920
suspect it's not quite correct or it's

01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:00.520
it's misunderstood um so we we're not

01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:02.920
talking about uh activities that are

01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:06.119
taking place uh within the uh Forest

01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:08.399
Hill uh what they call the chase Hotel

01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:10.560
within Forest we were talking about a

01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:12.279
facility within the overall shopping

01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:14.960
center which is totally disconnected to

01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:17.199
to The Venue do you understand the

01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:18.960
question because I I

01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.520
just is your answer does your answer

01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:24.039
still stand because if it does then we

01:52:24.119 --> 01:52:25.159
have an

01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:28.039
issue sorry councils yes to clarify the

01:52:28.119 --> 01:52:30.800
whiteall church's care as an example

01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:33.439
operate from a um a different space

01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:36.279
within the shopping center the white the

01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:38.159
chase hotel is a separate

01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:42.199
venue and would therefore therefore it's

01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:44.439
got nothing to do with the the gambling

01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:47.239
gaming policy

01:52:48.600 --> 01:52:51.680
surely um please point of clarification

01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:55.319
please me do not cut

01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.600
in you have a point of clarification

01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:01.000
just on this as well and uh Miss Ley

01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:02.960
I'll take you back you said that if it's

01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:06.840
the same proprietor same owner uh F

01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:08.640
Chase is owned by the same owner it's

01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:12.239
one building um how how does that muddy

01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:13.600
the

01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.800
waters it's

01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:17.880
um probably a point that we need to

01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:19.119
while we're going out for Community

01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:21.640
consultation that we need to clarify and

01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:25.199
um I'd suggest that if councilors that

01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:29.680
we take that question include the um if

01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:34.159
I if I may include it in the um draft

01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:35.600
report for Community consultation and

01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:39.520
during that time we'll also provide

01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.119
clarification through you may if I if I

01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:46.159
may I think um Miss Leck is trying to

01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:47.800
clarify the point but the point that I

01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:51.319
would make is is that chase is a is a in

01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:53.560
single ownership but would be a body

01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:54.880
corporate type arrangement with a

01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:57.119
variety of owner or

01:53:57.199 --> 01:53:59.880
occupiers the the method and this is I

01:53:59.960 --> 01:54:01.279
think would need clarification

01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:03.279
throughout the process but the the

01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:05.000
interpretation would be that the

01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:07.159
facility that occupies the gaming

01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:09.640
machines is separate to the remainder of

01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:12.640
the chase so um that's the way it would

01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:13.960
be interpreted but it's a point that

01:54:14.039 --> 01:54:17.279
needs to be clarified thank

01:54:17.359 --> 01:54:20.640
you thank you

01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:25.439
CEO um I now go to the we've had

01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:28.000
councilor

01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:31.439
Davenport and the second thank you may

01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:32.479
Council

01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:36.720
Barker May um I think about the Box Hill

01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.560
RSL and I think about the um equivalence

01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:41.159
with the Forest Hill

01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:43.359
Chas and I think about the ladies

01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:45.800
quilting club and the the knitting group

01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:46.800
at the

01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:50.359
RSL Laura and the ladies these tends to

01:54:50.439 --> 01:54:54.359
be just ladies and they knit booties and

01:54:54.439 --> 01:54:58.159
caps for premature children in places

01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:00.359
like Romania and the

01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:02.880
Ukraine this is one of the

01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:07.000
greatest uh social and philanthropic

01:55:07.079 --> 01:55:09.760
organizations in our

01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:13.439
city they meet together to knit and

01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:15.840
quilt and often their knitting and

01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:18.600
quilting is done at home but the

01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:21.640
deliveries of the wool come to fa in the

01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.760
welfare office I think it is at the RSL

01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:26.399
and then Laura and some of the other

01:55:26.479 --> 01:55:28.720
sort of key drivers of it pick it up

01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:32.000
from there and they take it out to the

01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.319
the the different contributors that will

01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:35.800
meet at someone's house so they might

01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:39.319
meet downstairs and and do these

01:55:39.399 --> 01:55:43.279
things why would we want to punish

01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:44.359
people like

01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:48.319
that I just don't understand it and I

01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:51.720
also don't understand the lack of

01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:52.920
confidence

01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:56.199
that this implies that we have in our

01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:57.720
fellow

01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:00.119
mankind I know a number of people I

01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:02.359
won't mention who he has been to the RSL

01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:05.680
lately Madam May a number number of the

01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:09.000
many people here have been to the

01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:12.560
RSL and not one of them went and played

01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:14.079
the

01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:16.479
pokes because this assumes that people

01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:18.520
can't help themselves I think people

01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:21.279
have agency I spend a lot of time there

01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:22.720
with the welfare dep Department with

01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:24.760
other social groups and I never feel

01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:26.319
compelled to do it now sure not everyone

01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:28.079
is and I understand what they're trying

01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:31.399
to do but this is not the way to do it

01:56:31.479 --> 01:56:33.640
is again you have the unintended

01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:35.359
consequences again we're trying to ban

01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:37.239
things I mean what was it Banning before

01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:39.239
Banning Boo this will be banning tight

01:56:39.319 --> 01:56:42.239
jeans electric

01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:44.560
music because you have unintended

01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:48.199
consequences you really do and um I

01:56:48.279 --> 01:56:51.359
thank counselor um Davenport for this

01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:53.239
because we we need to show people that

01:56:53.319 --> 01:56:56.520
we trust them how many people have

01:56:56.600 --> 01:56:58.319
spoken to me about their concern about

01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:01.239
poker machines in our city in my term of

01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:04.000
counsil two none how many people have

01:57:04.079 --> 01:57:06.439
spoken to me about their concerns with

01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:09.159
electronic smartphone pting it is huge

01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:11.199
in our sporting clubs with young people

01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:15.239
a 14-year-old girl right lost $3,000 set

01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:17.399
up an account and lost $33,000 when her

01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:19.840
dad found out that's the sort of thing

01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:22.960
that worries me in this city

01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:26.600
not the ladies that knit caps for

01:57:26.680 --> 01:57:30.279
premature children in Romania be careful

01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:31.840
who you want to punish

01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:35.039
[Music]

01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:40.439
counselors thank you councel

01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:43.479
bker if I may may I just wanted to

01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:46.239
clarify the um the question that was

01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:48.439
asked earlier around the venue and the

01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:52.079
chase um the policy has to be read in

01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:54.600
uction with appendix one which

01:57:54.680 --> 01:57:59.239
identifies the chase hotel as tency 304

01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:02.680
level 3270 Canby Road Forest Hill it's

01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:06.079
very specific around teny 304 not the

01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:08.520
remainder of the of the chase occupants

01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:10.119
thank

01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:14.199
you thank you CEO I now

01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:17.680
seek a speaker councilor you and then

01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:20.920
councelor skilbeck thank you councilors

01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:24.960
while the draft policies well intended I

01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:27.000
do have concerns about particularly

01:58:27.079 --> 01:58:28.960
those two Clauses that's been put up as

01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:31.359
part of the amendment I think this is an

01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:34.880
example of um with all due respect

01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:37.039
overreaching and as we know councilors

01:58:37.119 --> 01:58:39.880
many groups in Whitehorse do fantastic

01:58:39.960 --> 01:58:41.840
work out there in the community and

01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:43.840
they're not promoting gambling or any

01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:45.840
other potential harmful activities and

01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:48.640
in fact far from it we shouldn't limit

01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:51.239
the ability of our community groups to

01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:53.119
have a choice in venues to host their

01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:55.479
events often they're restricted by

01:58:55.560 --> 01:58:58.520
budget and venues are often selected

01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:00.079
because they're more accessible and

01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:02.039
closer to where the members reside and

01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:02.920
are

01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:05.439
located and I think as uh councelor

01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:08.199
Davenport had raised um earlier in his

01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:10.680
speech that often these function rooms

01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:12.760
are clearly separated from the gaming

01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:16.520
areas and such venues also have other

01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:19.640
uses Beyond hosting a few Pokey

01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:23.039
machines I have concerns about the

01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:26.039
Clauses in particularly also the

01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:28.680
practicalities of it how will Council

01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:30.560
Monitor and police all the community

01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:32.239
groups and where they hold their

01:59:32.319 --> 01:59:33.600
functions and

01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:36.079
activities I see this as a burden on

01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:39.119
resource and in my view officer time is

01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:40.720
best placed elsewhere with more

01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:42.920
meaningful and impactful actions to

01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:45.199
directly assist in minimizing harmful

01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:47.159
effects due to

01:59:47.239 --> 01:59:49.800
gambling if in doubt councilors take it

01:59:49.880 --> 01:59:51.960
out support this amendment thank you

01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:54.079
thank

01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:56.399
you thank you councilor councelor

01:59:56.479 --> 02:00:00.000
skilbeck thank you uh mayor and uh for

02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:01.560
clarity I'm speaking against the

02:00:01.640 --> 02:00:04.640
amendment council's Community sentiment

02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:07.159
continues to shift in relation to gaming

02:00:07.239 --> 02:00:10.399
and it is not getting more permissive

02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:12.800
the only reasonable way to read the

02:00:12.880 --> 02:00:14.199
expressed sentiment that we have

02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:16.359
available to us and not just in White

02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:18.439
Horse is to say that there is increased

02:00:18.520 --> 02:00:21.279
appetite to see politicians doing all

02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:24.600
they can not the least they can to

02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:26.680
reduce gaming accessibility and

02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:30.159
therefore meaningfully reduce gaming

02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:33.159
harm pokeys are the obvious and fair

02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:35.359
Focus because there is potential for

02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:39.640
leverage in our behavior in relation to

02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:42.439
pokeys so to go to the matters raised by

02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:45.000
this amendment Council not hosting

02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:47.760
events in venues with pokeys is just

02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:50.319
making firm what is generally

02:00:50.399 --> 02:00:52.119
established practice acknowledging some

02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:54.640
of the exceptions that have been raised

02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:56.359
let's be clear again that this is about

02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:59.920
Council hosting not about others hosting

02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:01.760
and I would contend that it's not

02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:05.720
overreach we're talking about only six

02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:08.640
venues and by refusing to bring direct

02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:11.079
Council business to any of those six we

02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:13.960
are actually indirectly challenging

02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:17.840
their business model Reliance on pokeys

02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:19.680
if Council operations are hosted in

02:01:19.760 --> 02:01:23.039
these venues we would be indirectly

02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:25.399
supporting those business models and in

02:01:25.479 --> 02:01:27.439
my view that is

02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:30.159
untenable with warning across this

02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:32.560
financial year so not immediately

02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:35.359
council is making firm through

02:01:35.439 --> 02:01:38.039
7.16 that it will not provide funding to

02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:39.680
groups where that funding is

02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:43.720
specifically for events in gaming venues

02:01:43.800 --> 02:01:45.479
groups can use those venues we've

02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:47.520
already discuss that they just can't get

02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:50.760
a council grant for that

02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:53.800
event cers all of our grant programs are

02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:56.119
about Community benefit Community

02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:58.880
resilience Community well-being leading

02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:02.319
to better Public Health overall and this

02:02:02.399 --> 02:02:04.600
is in congruous with

02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:08.880
gaming once we transition to

02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:11.800
7.16 if the amendment fails and we

02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:14.800
return to the substantive I'm confident

02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:17.560
that there will not be unreasonable loss

02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:20.119
of lower cost venue options and that

02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:22.319
other options will come to the for

02:02:22.399 --> 02:02:25.920
there will be movement over time because

02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:28.520
business models need to shift and not be

02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:30.760
indirectly supported by Council even in

02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:33.720
small amounts it's the small things that

02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:36.600
speak the loudest message sometimes

02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:39.520
every lever to reduce pokey's revenue

02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:41.920
and encourage higher corporate social

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.800
responsibility should be pursued because

02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:46.840
the evidence-based picture of gambling

02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:50.239
harm is overwhelming counselors please

02:02:50.319 --> 02:02:53.800
reject the amendment

02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:57.119
further speaker thank you

02:02:57.199 --> 02:03:00.119
mayor councilor Monroe uh thank you

02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:02.920
mayor uh Council Barker said that it's

02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:04.640
not being raised with him the issues

02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:06.960
around gaming uh and that that may well

02:03:07.039 --> 02:03:09.680
be true but what the report does say

02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:12.359
with the 431 electronic gaming machines

02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:14.359
we have at the six venues across the

02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:16.399
city of Whitehorse our residents on

02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:18.319
average lose

02:03:18.399 --> 02:03:22.640
$153,000 each day that's $6 million a

02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:25.640
year is lost in gaming venues so I think

02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:29.079
Council does uh have a place uh in this

02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:32.560
space and we do have to uh have a policy

02:03:32.640 --> 02:03:36.800
anyway um now Council dport I think was

02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:38.680
a little bit over the top and and we've

02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.159
had the the situation with the forestal

02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:44.359
Chase and the chase Hotel resolved um

02:03:44.439 --> 02:03:46.920
because it's a ludicrous suggestion that

02:03:47.000 --> 02:03:49.880
it's one teny tendency has an impact on

02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:51.920
all the other tendencies in the shop

02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:54.039
Center but the other point that he was

02:03:54.119 --> 02:03:56.399
making talking about the provis clubs

02:03:56.479 --> 02:03:59.359
and the uh the other the Lions Clubs and

02:03:59.439 --> 02:04:02.239
and the like as councelor skilbeck has

02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:04.000
outlined it's only if those

02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:05.680
organizations are wanting to have

02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:08.359
functions in the gaming venues and

02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:10.720
seeking Council funding for those

02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:13.159
particular activities um it doesn't mean

02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:15.039
that we won't be funding activities that

02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:17.159
those clubs do and those clubs do

02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:20.640
valuable work uh in the community

02:04:20.720 --> 02:04:23.720
now Council Barker did talk about uh one

02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:26.880
of the the tenants I guess of the RSL

02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:29.880
doing the knitting um they are within

02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:32.520
the constructs of the RSL and Gaming

02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:35.760
revenue is an important part of the the

02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:38.159
model there in terms of what they

02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:41.159
support and part of the subsidization of

02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:43.239
the rooms is to get people into those

02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.640
venues uh where where the gaming

02:04:45.720 --> 02:04:48.239
machines are now there is separation in

02:04:48.319 --> 02:04:50.920
some uh in terms of the gaming and and

02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:52.560
some of those function spaces there's

02:04:52.640 --> 02:04:55.239
less separation in some of the others I

02:04:55.319 --> 02:04:56.520
know where there's meeting rooms that

02:04:56.600 --> 02:04:58.560
are right next to the gaming venues in

02:04:58.640 --> 02:05:00.479
some of the hotels we have without

02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:03.279
naming them specifically so it's Council

02:05:03.359 --> 02:05:05.760
saying that uh we are concerned about

02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:09.159
this issue and we have some jurisdiction

02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:11.600
in this space and I remind counselors

02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:13.359
and and I remind councelor Davenport

02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:15.319
who's often picking the figures out of

02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:17.840
reports and throwing them uh at us and

02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:19.439
saying we must do this because a

02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:21.319
majority of the community support it

02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:24.479
well the report says

02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:26.760
66.3% there should not be Council

02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:29.640
funding for uh hosted events in gaming

02:05:29.720 --> 02:05:32.479
venues so 2third of the community are

02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:35.199
speaking very clearly on this and and I

02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:37.199
remember lots of times Council Davenport

02:05:37.279 --> 02:05:39.399
where you're telling us the statistics

02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:42.479
matter this is a draft report going out

02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:44.760
to the community for consultation I

02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:47.079
would encourage counselors to leave the

02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:49.520
report as it is to allow the community

02:05:49.600 --> 02:05:51.720
to have an input and then when it comes

02:05:51.800 --> 02:05:53.399
back we can see what the appropriate

02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:56.600
outcome is please reject the

02:05:56.680 --> 02:05:59.520
amendment thank you Council Monro

02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:02.800
Council Lang thank you mayor councilors

02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:05.479
I feel a little bit conflicted as to

02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:07.199
which way to go with this one to be

02:06:07.279 --> 02:06:09.720
honest and that is thing of the

02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:11.600
prohibiting the hosting of community

02:06:11.680 --> 02:06:14.079
events from a council perspective yep

02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:16.600
get that we can control that social

02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:19.239
outings what if our social club wants to

02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:22.199
go to the r for

02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:25.680
dinner the RSL the social club won't be

02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:28.000
allowed to do that do we have control

02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:31.399
over what the social club do just the

02:06:31.479 --> 02:06:34.479
thought

02:06:37.960 --> 02:06:40.479
7. your point of order accuracy or

02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:42.079
misleading they will be allowed to do it

02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:44.239
it's just not going to be Council funded

02:06:44.319 --> 02:06:48.319
it's how's it misleading it's a

02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:51.800
question um they will be able to go

02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:53.760
there and that's a question I don't know

02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:55.800
that mayor it's I don't know what how

02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:58.279
the social club set

02:06:58.359 --> 02:07:02.119
up well it's clearly we're discussing

02:07:02.199 --> 02:07:06.000
the count the events that Council fund

02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:08.960
and if we're not are you sure mayor that

02:07:09.039 --> 02:07:10.920
the council don't put money towards the

02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.279
social club they don't support the

02:07:13.359 --> 02:07:15.680
social club in any way that's not what

02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:19.119
the policy is saying it's social outings

02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:22.399
May that's exactly what it's saying

02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:24.920
are we debating mayor or can I go on you

02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:27.000
can go on

02:07:27.079 --> 02:07:30.600
coun so with 7.16 uh not providing

02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:34.760
funding to groups for events how do we

02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:37.279
know that if we're not funding a group

02:07:37.359 --> 02:07:39.560
that they're using it for that event I

02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:41.159
put it to you we don't know what they're

02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.439
using the money for we've given them

02:07:43.520 --> 02:07:45.239
money they can use it for whatever they

02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:47.479
like to some extent although the grant

02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:49.920
does specify for a particular activity

02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:52.359
but who knows

02:07:52.439 --> 02:07:54.920
so I'm not sure I'm a little bit

02:07:55.000 --> 02:07:57.279
conflicted you know councilor Davenport

02:07:57.359 --> 02:07:58.960
mentioned the clubs there's 59 clubs

02:07:59.039 --> 02:08:01.760
that use the Box Hill golf club yes many

02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:03.560
Probus clubs many Lions Clubs Roary

02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:05.920
clubs schools Cricket football clubs

02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:06.800
Church

02:08:06.880 --> 02:08:09.319
groups what is the impact how do we know

02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:11.239
what they're going to use the the money

02:08:11.319 --> 02:08:13.399
for I'm not sure that we do I think we

02:08:13.479 --> 02:08:15.800
need Clarity further Clarity and we can

02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:18.520
gain that through the engagement process

02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:22.600
I guess as along along with 7 .17 and I

02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:24.800
raised earlier that I was considering an

02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:26.720
amendment for that one I think we need

02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:29.000
to get a bit more clarity around some of

02:08:29.079 --> 02:08:30.920
these and that talks about hotels and

02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.479
clubs that own or operate and I think we

02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:36.760
need to have that Clarity uh which might

02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:38.520
will might make these a little bit more

02:08:38.600 --> 02:08:40.760
acceptable and I suggest perhaps these

02:08:40.840 --> 02:08:42.279
go in the engagement document with

02:08:42.359 --> 02:08:44.640
proposed removal beside them and get the

02:08:44.720 --> 02:08:46.760
community comment should it or shouldn't

02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:48.760
it so I'm not sure which way I'm going

02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:50.479
to vote me I'm still trying to work that

02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:53.439
out thank you

02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:57.199
councelor mcneel uh thank you uh mayor

02:08:57.279 --> 02:09:01.840
and yes uh I I have um I have concerns

02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:03.399
about

02:09:03.479 --> 02:09:06.600
7.16 and I was going to ask whether 7.1

02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:07.560
and

02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:11.319
7.16 could be voted on

02:09:11.399 --> 02:09:15.439
separately um and um certainly uh

02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:18.720
Community groups that receive funding

02:09:18.800 --> 02:09:21.640
from multiple sources

02:09:21.720 --> 02:09:25.359
and these are for major events uh a ban

02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:27.760
and this will increase social

02:09:27.840 --> 02:09:31.000
isolation especially if smaller groups

02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:34.439
can't afford alternative affordable

02:09:34.520 --> 02:09:37.920
venues uh the groups May cease meeting

02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:41.880
now an unintended consequence of this is

02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:44.800
that individuals could turn to gambling

02:09:44.880 --> 02:09:47.720
defeating the purpose of the policy

02:09:47.800 --> 02:09:50.920
leading to increased harm not decreased

02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:53.960
harm from

02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:57.199
gambling most people who who attend an

02:09:57.279 --> 02:10:00.119
organized event go for a coffee or a

02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:03.319
meal to enjoy social company of friends

02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:07.239
and and leave and leave without

02:10:07.319 --> 02:10:10.079
gambling so most of the people who are

02:10:10.159 --> 02:10:13.680
in the Probus clubs sporting clubs and

02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:17.079
other uh smaller groups they go along

02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:19.520
for a meal they have their meal they

02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:21.399
have their regular meeting at my might

02:10:21.479 --> 02:10:23.760
be even once a week so that's pretty

02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:26.479
frequent and they they rely on this

02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:29.720
these venues for those affordable uh OPP

02:10:29.800 --> 02:10:32.199
you know opportunities to to actually

02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:36.119
meet but they don't go into the gaming

02:10:36.199 --> 02:10:39.199
area they're there for the social time

02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:42.239
and connection with each

02:10:42.319 --> 02:10:46.560
other I support personal people taking

02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:48.079
personal

02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:50.600
responsibility we haven't heard anything

02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:51.680
tonight

02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:55.920
about individuals taking personal

02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:58.199
responsibility for their

02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:02.039
actions removing this allows people to

02:11:02.119 --> 02:11:06.039
take per personal responsibility for

02:11:06.119 --> 02:11:09.600
their actions I think that is very

02:11:09.680 --> 02:11:13.279
important and when uh when attending a

02:11:13.359 --> 02:11:17.479
venue that has gaming machines harm

02:11:17.560 --> 02:11:20.000
minimization is the

02:11:20.079 --> 02:11:23.119
responsibility of of the gaming

02:11:23.199 --> 02:11:27.039
operator in this case the RSL and the

02:11:27.119 --> 02:11:29.039
golf

02:11:29.119 --> 02:11:32.119
club they are they are the ones who have

02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:35.279
the license and they are the ones

02:11:35.359 --> 02:11:37.399
responsible for

02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:40.840
identifying people who are at risk of uh

02:11:40.920 --> 02:11:44.960
gambling harm and dealing with it and

02:11:45.039 --> 02:11:48.520
these organizations have actually have

02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:51.800
spot uh regularly spot

02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:55.319
audited for I for identifying as I said

02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:58.800
patrons at risk of gambling harm and

02:11:58.880 --> 02:12:02.079
managing that risk so they are audited

02:12:02.159 --> 02:12:03.399
by the

02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:06.680
government and and I know

02:12:06.760 --> 02:12:09.960
from the that the Box Hill golf club for

02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:14.840
example has a a very clean and very uh

02:12:14.920 --> 02:12:18.640
good record in that area so I support

02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:23.159
7.6 Amendment thank you

02:12:24.840 --> 02:12:27.640
is there a further speaker councelor car

02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:29.560
councilors I can't believe we've spent

02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:33.000
so much time tonight discussing a draft

02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:35.720
report that is due to go out to the

02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:38.479
community for consultation we're not

02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:41.039
here we shouldn't be here debating uh

02:12:41.119 --> 02:12:42.880
removing this or removing that that's

02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.239
the for the community to tell us that's

02:12:45.319 --> 02:12:47.119
the whole point in going out for

02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:49.760
Community consultation let's leave it to

02:12:49.840 --> 02:12:52.159
them to tell us what they think let's

02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:54.560
leave these points in if they don't like

02:12:54.640 --> 02:12:56.239
them they'll tell us they'll say remove

02:12:56.319 --> 02:12:58.159
it they won't you know we can't take

02:12:58.239 --> 02:12:59.479
them out because then they don't even

02:12:59.560 --> 02:13:01.600
know that they exist so no they're not

02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:04.479
going to tell us um that oh let's let's

02:13:04.560 --> 02:13:05.880
put these back because they don't even

02:13:05.960 --> 02:13:08.680
know they exist in the first

02:13:08.760 --> 02:13:11.600
place your point of order councilor D

02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:13.960
misleading because the draft policies

02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:15.520
attached to the agenda with those two

02:13:15.600 --> 02:13:17.680
points put in community would know that

02:13:17.760 --> 02:13:19.920
it's in but this motion's taking them

02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:23.000
out

02:13:24.439 --> 02:13:27.560
continue councelor car sorry you can

02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:30.239
continue thank you I I would suggest

02:13:30.319 --> 02:13:32.640
that um the community won't read and

02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:34.479
they will not compare both reports to

02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:37.000
see what's different about them um that

02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:40.159
would be my point of view

02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:42.840
um if the community as I say if they

02:13:42.920 --> 02:13:45.159
object um I've no doubt in my mind that

02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:47.520
they'll let us know and uh apart from

02:13:47.600 --> 02:13:50.239
the knitting group yes I I totally agree

02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:52.119
there's there's there's so many

02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:54.880
arguments for this this amendment and

02:13:54.960 --> 02:13:57.239
there's so many arguments against and it

02:13:57.319 --> 02:14:00.439
as I said it's not up to us to work out

02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:02.119
what's what should be done or what

02:14:02.199 --> 02:14:03.800
shouldn't be not up to us to tell a

02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:05.640
community group whether or not hey you

02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:07.840
shouldn't go into gambling it's them

02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:09.800
it's their business it's not ours I'm

02:14:09.880 --> 02:14:11.199
not going to tell my neighbor don't go

02:14:11.279 --> 02:14:13.199
gambling if I'm having a conversation

02:14:13.279 --> 02:14:15.319
I'll say hey it's not good for you but

02:14:15.399 --> 02:14:17.159
I'm not going to tell them what they

02:14:17.239 --> 02:14:19.359
should and should not be doing that's up

02:14:19.439 --> 02:14:21.680
to them and as far as the group is

02:14:21.760 --> 02:14:24.159
concerned Council Barker I'm not really

02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:28.399
sure how much Whitehorse Council would

02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:31.279
be contributing to them so nothing will

02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:33.359
change for them they'll still be able to

02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:34.720
go to that venue they'll still be able

02:14:34.800 --> 02:14:37.159
to benefit from the the benefits if you

02:14:37.239 --> 02:14:40.319
like from having poo po pokies in that

02:14:40.399 --> 02:14:43.239
in the RSL nothing will change for them

02:14:43.319 --> 02:14:45.079
so let's For Heaven's Sake counselors

02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:47.039
let's just put this to bed let's put it

02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:49.520
out for Community consultation and when

02:14:49.600 --> 02:14:51.560
it comes back when they tell us what

02:14:51.640 --> 02:14:53.880
they want that's why we're here we're

02:14:53.960 --> 02:14:55.920
not here to tell them when they come

02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:58.159
back and tell us what they want then we

02:14:58.239 --> 02:15:00.680
can consider it then we can work it out

02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:02.359
on the stats and the figures that come

02:15:02.439 --> 02:15:06.079
back to us and the appropriate

02:15:07.720 --> 02:15:09.840
comments thank you councilor car are

02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:12.359
there any further speakers yes mayam

02:15:12.439 --> 02:15:15.760
councilor Cuts thank you very much um in

02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:17.840
terms of what this is about it's a

02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:19.840
responsible gambling policy which puts

02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:22.079
emphasis on the personal responsibility

02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:25.159
and shift shifting away from that um and

02:15:25.239 --> 02:15:27.560
to the public health approach sorry I

02:15:27.640 --> 02:15:29.359
might have got my words mixed up there

02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:32.239
but my concern with this is that even

02:15:32.319 --> 02:15:35.399
though the 7.16 even though 3/4s of

02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:39.039
respondents did agree with these

02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:42.000
I I won't say guarantee but I'm fairly

02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:44.239
sure that many would not have realized

02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:45.680
that we're talking about our lines

02:15:45.760 --> 02:15:48.159
rotary clubs and things like that so so

02:15:48.239 --> 02:15:49.800
people who might have engaged with this

02:15:49.880 --> 02:15:52.319
could very well be member of those very

02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:54.439
good Community organizations who've

02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:56.039
actually done this without realizing

02:15:56.119 --> 02:15:58.680
what that actually meant so um that

02:15:58.760 --> 02:16:00.880
that's my thinking there just to give a

02:16:00.960 --> 02:16:03.560
bit of clarity thank you mayor thank you

02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:06.680
Council cuts um everybody has spoken and

02:16:06.760 --> 02:16:11.640
I will say a few words um because I um

02:16:11.720 --> 02:16:17.239
as has Council Bara been on the um the

02:16:17.319 --> 02:16:21.680
local government um committee for um

02:16:21.760 --> 02:16:24.920
Alliance for gambling reform which

02:16:25.000 --> 02:16:27.239
definitely focuses on harm

02:16:27.319 --> 02:16:30.680
minimization and um I want to firstly

02:16:30.760 --> 02:16:33.280
say this is not a reflection of the good

02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:35.799
Community Support by organizations like

02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:38.479
the RSL and the golf club and there are

02:16:38.559 --> 02:16:42.360
many positive things and twice in recent

02:16:42.440 --> 02:16:45.000
times I've heard councelor Barker hint

02:16:45.079 --> 02:16:46.920
that a council went to the the Box Hill

02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:49.319
RSL and I will declare I was invited by

02:16:49.399 --> 02:16:51.639
the board recently to go and meet with

02:16:51.719 --> 02:16:54.040
them to see what work they do in the

02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:58.319
community and and no I did not go and um

02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:00.639
use the pokies

02:17:00.719 --> 02:17:04.959
but what I do want to say is it this is

02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:06.840
not a reflection on these Community

02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:08.959
groups they do a lot of very good

02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:12.559
work but there are many vulnerable

02:17:12.639 --> 02:17:15.000
people and we need to recognize the data

02:17:15.079 --> 02:17:17.799
that shows the harm that is possible and

02:17:17.879 --> 02:17:21.319
I have um last year and I went over to

02:17:21.399 --> 02:17:26.799
Hume and it was just so heartbreaking to

02:17:26.879 --> 02:17:30.000
see the case studies where people had

02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:32.000
the courage to stand up and speak about

02:17:32.079 --> 02:17:34.799
the impacts and that included family

02:17:34.879 --> 02:17:36.799
breakdowns domestic violence

02:17:36.879 --> 02:17:39.559
homelessness Etc now it's in the news

02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:41.399
and we all know about

02:17:41.479 --> 02:17:43.479
it and

02:17:43.559 --> 02:17:46.040
unfortunately PE most people have

02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:48.000
control of what they do but there are

02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:50.120
those that are vulnerable and we should

02:17:50.200 --> 02:17:53.040
recognize that maybe we need to be a

02:17:53.120 --> 02:17:56.000
role model in the community where we say

02:17:56.079 --> 02:17:58.440
this is not what we the behaviors we

02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:02.680
want to see that we can't support things

02:18:02.760 --> 02:18:05.799
where it allows these vulnerable people

02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:07.360
to um

02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:10.280
perhaps I succumb to their vulnerability

02:18:10.360 --> 02:18:14.440
I guess and um it is extremely sad this

02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:17.520
is this motion or the substantive motion

02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:19.360
is seeking Community

02:18:19.440 --> 02:18:23.040
input now I'm here to represent the

02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:26.239
community we should let the community

02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:29.319
guide us and I agree with what councelor

02:18:29.399 --> 02:18:31.840
car said we need to be guided through

02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:34.159
this next stage through the community

02:18:34.239 --> 02:18:36.520
consultation and that engagement that

02:18:36.600 --> 02:18:39.440
will occur and then we can get the input

02:18:39.520 --> 02:18:43.280
back and decide I'm not a fan to remove

02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:45.639
choices from the community let the

02:18:45.719 --> 02:18:48.319
community have choices we've recognized

02:18:48.399 --> 02:18:50.719
we may need some clarity about some

02:18:50.799 --> 02:18:53.239
extra things in the report that um Lisa

02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:56.360
letic mentioned before and I think it's

02:18:56.440 --> 02:18:58.440
important we let the community give us

02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:01.879
feed back first not take things away

02:19:01.959 --> 02:19:04.639
from them without knowing what their

02:19:04.719 --> 02:19:08.719
thoughts are so I cannot support this um

02:19:08.799 --> 02:19:10.799
Amendment because I believe it should go

02:19:10.879 --> 02:19:13.799
to the whole Community as a whole report

02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:16.280
and then we should get their input and

02:19:16.360 --> 02:19:18.120
then make the decision I'm not going to

02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:21.079
take away their rights to comment

02:19:21.159 --> 02:19:25.680
mayor is uh as councilor M Neil asked uh

02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:29.280
could it be put in Parts 7.1 and 7.16

02:19:29.360 --> 02:19:31.680
please um and I have confirmed with

02:19:31.760 --> 02:19:33.600
governance it will be put in parts we

02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:37.639
can do that quite safely so we will vote

02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:41.559
on this amendment the first part we will

02:19:41.639 --> 02:19:45.799
vote on is removing item

02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:48.280
7.1 prohibit the hosting of any

02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:50.639
community events activities programs or

02:19:50.719 --> 02:19:53.559
social outings in venues with electronic

02:19:53.639 --> 02:19:54.520
gaming

02:19:54.600 --> 02:19:57.600
machines I ask those that support the

02:19:57.680 --> 02:20:04.399
removal of that item to raise their

02:20:06.600 --> 02:20:11.559
hands councelor stennet councelor Barker

02:20:11.639 --> 02:20:16.680
councelor Davenport councelor Leu

02:20:22.479 --> 02:20:24.719
those against

02:20:24.799 --> 02:20:27.799
removal councelor skilbeck councelor

02:20:27.879 --> 02:20:31.719
Lane councelor car councelor cuts

02:20:31.799 --> 02:20:34.520
councelor mcneel councelor Monroe

02:20:34.600 --> 02:20:36.520
councelor

02:20:36.600 --> 02:20:41.840
massud item 7.1 will remain in the

02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:45.760
substantive we now move to considering

02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:47.680
item

02:20:47.760 --> 02:20:51.280
7.16 which is not provide funding as

02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:53.559
defined in this policy to groups for

02:20:53.639 --> 02:20:55.360
events or

02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:58.120
activities that occur in gaming venues

02:20:58.200 --> 02:21:01.760
from the 1st of July

02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:06.040
2025 I now ask those in support of

02:21:06.120 --> 02:21:08.280
removal of

02:21:08.360 --> 02:21:12.200
7.16 to raise their

02:21:14.840 --> 02:21:18.319
hands um we've got councelor

02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:21.520
Lane councelor Leu

02:21:21.600 --> 02:21:26.120
councelor devonport councelor Cutz

02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:30.079
councelor Barker councelor State

02:21:30.159 --> 02:21:32.840
councelor

02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:36.879
mcneel those

02:21:36.959 --> 02:21:41.000
against councelor Monroe councelor

02:21:41.079 --> 02:21:43.959
massud councelor skilbeck

02:21:44.040 --> 02:21:46.799
councel

02:21:46.879 --> 02:21:49.200
car item

02:21:49.280 --> 02:21:53.399
7.16 has been supported for

02:21:53.479 --> 02:21:56.040
removal thank you councilors quite a

02:21:56.120 --> 02:21:58.319
debate we've had some

02:21:58.399 --> 02:22:02.239
um important motions we're now going to

02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:04.959
actually take a five minute break we've

02:22:05.040 --> 02:22:07.360
gone

02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:10.440
over

02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:15.159
oh yeah I apologize um we've now gone

02:22:15.239 --> 02:22:17.239
back to the amended motion I was trying

02:22:17.319 --> 02:22:19.239
to give you a break I move that the

02:22:19.319 --> 02:22:21.440
motion now be put want to

02:22:21.520 --> 02:22:25.120
speak okay so um we have a procedural

02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:29.200
motion to put the to put the motion so

02:22:29.280 --> 02:22:31.360
we will now put this motion I think

02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:34.280
we've all spoken extensively Point V

02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:36.000
merits the procedural motion to put the

02:22:36.079 --> 02:22:40.000
motioned oh to put the motion okay those

02:22:40.079 --> 02:22:42.920
in favor to put the

02:22:44.159 --> 02:22:47.639
motion I'll second it if oh well I can't

02:22:47.719 --> 02:22:50.000
well actually sorry there is no rule if

02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:52.479
youve Spen anyone can you need a second

02:22:52.559 --> 02:22:54.159
for the procedural motion I'll second

02:22:54.239 --> 02:22:55.959
while I'm voting I haven't got room on

02:22:56.040 --> 02:22:59.639
the page to do that um okay everybody is

02:22:59.719 --> 02:23:02.760
in support except for councel Barker and

02:23:02.840 --> 02:23:03.799
councel

02:23:03.879 --> 02:23:06.399
Davenport who are

02:23:06.479 --> 02:23:10.280
against the motion will now be put and

02:23:10.360 --> 02:23:13.479
the motion is what was the substantive

02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:16.639
with the removal of item

02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:18.360
7.16

02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:21.440
and no that's all that's

02:23:21.520 --> 02:23:24.920
it so let's go to the vote for this

02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:26.879
final new

02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:30.479
substantive those in

02:23:33.319 --> 02:23:37.360
favor no

02:23:37.760 --> 02:23:41.440
um okay so it

02:23:41.520 --> 02:23:45.680
is councelor mcneel councelor St State

02:23:45.760 --> 02:23:48.120
councelor Monroe councelor Barker

02:23:48.200 --> 02:23:50.479
councelor massud councelor Davenport

02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:53.200
councel U councelor skilbeck councelor

02:23:53.280 --> 02:23:56.000
Lane councelor Cuts those against

02:23:56.079 --> 02:23:57.040
councelor

02:23:57.120 --> 02:24:00.520
car the motion is

02:24:00.600 --> 02:24:04.479
carried we will now take a five minute

02:24:04.559 --> 02:24:10.920
break for you um and we will resume at

02:24:15.120 --> 02:24:18.879
9:29 um we now move to item 10.4

02:24:18.959 --> 02:24:22.799
contract 305 28 electrical installations

02:24:22.879 --> 02:24:26.000
and maintenance services I seek a

02:24:26.079 --> 02:24:30.520
move thank you Council Bara and a

02:24:32.200 --> 02:24:36.159
seconder happy to Second Council Monroe

02:24:36.239 --> 02:24:37.639
councelor Barker thanks mayor it's

02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:40.079
mainly uh administrative but this is for

02:24:40.159 --> 02:24:42.200
contract

02:24:42.280 --> 02:24:45.079
30528 electrical and installation and

02:24:45.159 --> 02:24:48.040
maintenance services and um a

02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:50.719
comprehensive tender has been done the

02:24:50.799 --> 02:24:52.840
expected contract value over the period

02:24:52.920 --> 02:24:58.079
is $5.5 million and the um the selected

02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:00.639
or shortlisted selected members of that

02:25:00.719 --> 02:25:02.879
panel will be high-profile comlex

02:25:02.959 --> 02:25:04.479
services and wall Gates and I would like

02:25:04.559 --> 02:25:06.639
to talk very briefly about why

02:25:06.719 --> 02:25:08.440
electrical maintenance and installation

02:25:08.520 --> 02:25:10.200
services are so

02:25:10.280 --> 02:25:13.479
important I was at the um local footy on

02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:15.719
the weekend Mad May and ran into one of

02:25:15.799 --> 02:25:17.559
the neighbors of Springfield Park which

02:25:17.639 --> 02:25:19.639
now of course has the on demand lights

02:25:19.719 --> 02:25:22.479
which I see on from my back deck just

02:25:22.559 --> 02:25:24.440
about every night which I must say

02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:25.840
Delights me when I know there's not

02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:28.200
football training on and I said to my

02:25:28.280 --> 02:25:31.079
friend I said uh how those on demand

02:25:31.159 --> 02:25:32.479
lights working out knowing that his

02:25:32.559 --> 02:25:35.520
place backs right on to the park and

02:25:35.600 --> 02:25:38.479
that oval because they're high and

02:25:38.559 --> 02:25:39.840
there's not a lot of lights spill but

02:25:39.920 --> 02:25:41.040
you know they're not causing you any

02:25:41.120 --> 02:25:45.200
disturbance are they barks best thing

02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:48.399
Council has ever done and what he does

02:25:48.479 --> 02:25:51.079
is he's got a gate out the back of his

02:25:51.159 --> 02:25:53.120
place into the park but probably

02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:55.120
happened before the local law after

02:25:55.200 --> 02:25:57.079
after they have dinner he and his boys

02:25:57.159 --> 02:25:58.959
go out the back turn on the lights and

02:25:59.040 --> 02:26:00.680
kick the footy for 20 minutes he reckons

02:26:00.760 --> 02:26:03.120
it's improved their family life he loves

02:26:03.200 --> 02:26:07.479
it and I drove past uh the other Sunday

02:26:07.559 --> 02:26:11.079
after a full day of Junior footy on it

02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:13.319
and it been wet wasn't much of a day the

02:26:13.399 --> 02:26:15.440
lights were on again and there was a

02:26:15.520 --> 02:26:17.239
family from the

02:26:17.319 --> 02:26:20.479
subcontinent I suspect playing tennis

02:26:20.559 --> 02:26:24.520
Bowl Cricket on on the ca pitch that had

02:26:24.600 --> 02:26:26.120
footy on it all day I suspect it was

02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:29.040
offering plenty to the bowlers you see

02:26:29.120 --> 02:26:31.879
these small things that are very modest

02:26:31.959 --> 02:26:33.319
in costs and they're delivered by

02:26:33.399 --> 02:26:34.719
professionals like this can really

02:26:34.799 --> 02:26:37.079
transform people's lives and as I was

02:26:37.159 --> 02:26:39.120
walking here tonight I saw a couple you

02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:41.319
know the walking Track around near the

02:26:41.399 --> 02:26:43.719
round those lights they glow and then

02:26:43.799 --> 02:26:45.920
they get brighter they were jogging

02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:46.840
around

02:26:46.920 --> 02:26:50.239
it felt safe good little track I'd never

02:26:50.319 --> 02:26:52.440
imagin that that would be used by people

02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:53.920
jogging but it is because of those

02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:56.360
lights and of course I've seen these

02:26:56.440 --> 02:26:57.760
people work and they've also got some

02:26:57.840 --> 02:26:59.280
quite advanced technology with little

02:26:59.360 --> 02:27:01.520
thermal cameras I saw the guy one day

02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:03.399
one of these people one day looking at a

02:27:03.479 --> 02:27:05.559
switchboard and they they run the camera

02:27:05.639 --> 02:27:07.319
over it to see where there are hot spots

02:27:07.399 --> 02:27:09.159
because they you obviously electrical

02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:11.479
fires can be so it's important piece of

02:27:11.559 --> 02:27:13.479
work we've done a comprehensive piece of

02:27:13.559 --> 02:27:15.239
procurement on it and I recommend it to

02:27:15.319 --> 02:27:16.719
all counselors thank you

02:27:16.799 --> 02:27:18.840
man' thank you councelor Barker

02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:20.760
councelor Monroe

02:27:20.840 --> 02:27:23.239
um may not a lot to add after Council B

02:27:23.319 --> 02:27:24.319
and I thought he said he didn't have

02:27:24.399 --> 02:27:27.000
much to say but

02:27:27.079 --> 02:27:30.479
um there's three approved tenderers uh

02:27:30.559 --> 02:27:32.719
in the recommendation uh councilors were

02:27:32.799 --> 02:27:35.440
previewed to uh a wi list so there was a

02:27:35.520 --> 02:27:38.399
rigorous process in terms of rating

02:27:38.479 --> 02:27:40.000
those companies that are able to do the

02:27:40.079 --> 02:27:42.280
work as per council's requirements I

02:27:42.360 --> 02:27:43.719
commend the

02:27:43.799 --> 02:27:47.000
report thank you councilor Monro any

02:27:47.079 --> 02:27:48.200
further

02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:50.520
speakers there being no further speakers

02:27:50.600 --> 02:27:52.079
I'll put the motion to the vote all

02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:53.239
those in

02:27:53.319 --> 02:27:56.719
favor carried

02:28:02.079 --> 02:28:05.319
unanimously we now move to item 10.5 the

02:28:05.399 --> 02:28:08.120
audit and risk committee extension of

02:28:08.200 --> 02:28:11.200
independent member term I seek a mover

02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:14.799
um yes ma'am Council skilbeck and a

02:28:14.879 --> 02:28:17.280
second seconding me thank you councilor

02:28:17.360 --> 02:28:19.680
Barker councelor skilbeck thank you

02:28:19.760 --> 02:28:23.239
mayor councilors Mr Jonathan kyes has

02:28:23.319 --> 02:28:25.280
been a respected and effective

02:28:25.360 --> 02:28:27.360
independent member of Whitehorses audit

02:28:27.440 --> 02:28:29.959
and risk committee since March

02:28:30.040 --> 02:28:32.639
2021 his appointment agreement which

02:28:32.719 --> 02:28:34.920
aligns with the committee Charter takes

02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:37.520
us to end August so next month as the

02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:41.319
end of his up to three-year first term

02:28:41.399 --> 02:28:44.200
Mr ky's agreement has an option for a

02:28:44.280 --> 02:28:47.239
second term after a formal review of

02:28:47.319 --> 02:28:49.719
performance that review has occurred in

02:28:49.799 --> 02:28:52.159
June with both councelor Barker and I

02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:54.399
participating in that as the councilor

02:28:54.479 --> 02:28:56.879
appointed members of the committee and

02:28:56.959 --> 02:28:58.799
we now have the recommendation before us

02:28:58.879 --> 02:29:02.959
to reappoint Mr kyal Lees to end August

02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:06.840
2027 it is worth noting that beyond the

02:29:06.920 --> 02:29:09.200
six-year maximum a new appointment

02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:11.440
agreement is needed and this is not

02:29:11.520 --> 02:29:14.760
ruled out so rather than fixating on

02:29:14.840 --> 02:29:17.559
overall 10year limits the audit and risk

02:29:17.639 --> 02:29:19.639
committee Charter focuses on ensuring

02:29:19.719 --> 02:29:21.840
that we do not have more than one

02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:24.239
independent member exiting the committee

02:29:24.319 --> 02:29:27.280
at the one time ensuring reasonable

02:29:27.360 --> 02:29:29.920
continuity in independent member deep

02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:31.680
knowledge of council business is of

02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:34.840
course vital the charter is currently

02:29:34.920 --> 02:29:37.079
under its regular review and we'll come

02:29:37.159 --> 02:29:39.079
back to this chamber while the principle

02:29:39.159 --> 02:29:41.280
of ensuring staggered exits by

02:29:41.360 --> 02:29:44.719
independent members would we expect

02:29:44.799 --> 02:29:47.639
remain councilors I want to commend Mr

02:29:47.719 --> 02:29:51.440
kyes for his thoughtful Ute and detailed

02:29:51.520 --> 02:29:53.319
engagement with all audit and risk

02:29:53.399 --> 02:29:56.200
committee matters having highly

02:29:56.280 --> 02:29:58.920
experienced independent members who also

02:29:59.000 --> 02:30:01.639
straddle a number of councils and

02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:03.959
sectors within their expertise is

02:30:04.040 --> 02:30:06.559
incredibly valuable and contributes not

02:30:06.639 --> 02:30:09.159
just to appropriate levels of assurance

02:30:09.239 --> 02:30:11.760
and risk management but also to better

02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:14.399
strategic thinking at Whitehorse it's

02:30:14.479 --> 02:30:17.440
my pleasure to commend the motion

02:30:17.520 --> 02:30:19.879
mayor thank you councilor skilbeck

02:30:19.959 --> 02:30:23.079
councel Barker it's hard to add much to

02:30:23.159 --> 02:30:24.879
that Madame mayor count thank Council

02:30:24.959 --> 02:30:28.440
skck for for her introduction Mr cares

02:30:28.520 --> 02:30:30.319
is unquestionably a high performer the

02:30:30.399 --> 02:30:32.879
review was done anonymously so everyone

02:30:32.959 --> 02:30:35.479
was emailed the assessment criteria so

02:30:35.559 --> 02:30:37.719
it wasn't as if it put your hands up in

02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:40.120
the room or anything like that um and it

02:30:40.200 --> 02:30:42.040
also just emphasized what councelor

02:30:42.120 --> 02:30:44.440
skilbeck said about the value of people

02:30:44.520 --> 02:30:47.840
from outside Whitehorse um highly

02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:50.959
skilled people that aren't necessarily

02:30:51.040 --> 02:30:53.520
privy to the day-to-day contest in here

02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:56.520
and in the committee room and they think

02:30:56.600 --> 02:30:59.639
differently and that is really important

02:30:59.719 --> 02:31:01.799
in terms of making sure that remember we

02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:03.440
spoke about the know unknowns the know

02:31:03.520 --> 02:31:06.440
and unknowns the knowns and they have a

02:31:06.520 --> 02:31:07.879
different view of those windows and I

02:31:07.959 --> 02:31:09.040
think that's really important it's

02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:11.799
really valuable adds a lot to our risk

02:31:11.879 --> 02:31:14.200
and Assurance recommend it thank you

02:31:14.280 --> 02:31:16.559
man thank you Council Barker are there

02:31:16.639 --> 02:31:18.280
any further

02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:20.920
speakers there being none I will put the

02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.159
motion to the vote all those in

02:31:24.239 --> 02:31:28.120
favor motion is carried

02:31:35.079 --> 02:31:37.959
unanimously we now move to item 10.6

02:31:38.040 --> 02:31:40.079
records of informal meetings of

02:31:40.159 --> 02:31:43.559
counselors I seek a mover same move

02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:46.920
counc Lane seconded mayor councilor Leu

02:31:47.000 --> 02:31:48.360
thank

02:31:48.440 --> 02:31:51.559
you um m is procedural we'll go straight

02:31:51.639 --> 02:31:54.840
to the vote all those in

02:31:54.920 --> 02:31:58.319
favor carried

02:32:04.639 --> 02:32:08.040
unanimously we now move to item 11.1

02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:10.879
councelor delegate and Conference

02:32:10.959 --> 02:32:12.159
seminar

02:32:12.239 --> 02:32:15.680
reports reports by delegates and reports

02:32:15.760 --> 02:32:18.000
on conferences seminars attendance I

02:32:18.079 --> 02:32:20.360
remind counselors if you have not

02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:21.959
submitted written reports for the

02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:25.280
minutes to keep your verbal reports

02:32:25.360 --> 02:32:28.120
brief I will commence with Deputy Mayor

02:32:28.200 --> 02:32:30.040
councelor Andrew Davenport well thank

02:32:30.120 --> 02:32:32.600
you mayor and um I attended along with a

02:32:32.680 --> 02:32:35.120
number of other counselors the um

02:32:35.200 --> 02:32:38.120
Australian uh uh local government

02:32:38.200 --> 02:32:40.639
associations National Conference last

02:32:40.719 --> 02:32:43.920
week um I won't give a a large report

02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:45.719
because I'll I'll share that around to

02:32:45.799 --> 02:32:48.200
my fellow counselors to uh chime in some

02:32:48.280 --> 02:32:49.959
extras but I did want to mention some

02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:52.959
highlights um one was generational

02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:55.040
equity and fairness um that was done by

02:32:55.120 --> 02:32:57.440
the demographics group Council Lane's

02:32:57.520 --> 02:33:00.319
already spoken about the um the the

02:33:00.399 --> 02:33:02.479
cliff the retirement Cliff that we we're

02:33:02.559 --> 02:33:04.879
seeing in the local government sector

02:33:04.959 --> 02:33:06.920
they also plotted up the average number

02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:09.840
of hours worked at state federal

02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:13.760
and um local government and also the

02:33:13.840 --> 02:33:15.799
private sector and interestingly they

02:33:15.879 --> 02:33:17.559
said that local government should

02:33:17.639 --> 02:33:19.760
promote the work life balance because

02:33:19.840 --> 02:33:21.760
out of all of the the four different

02:33:21.840 --> 02:33:24.879
sectors the average hours per week

02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:28.040
worked at local government per full time

02:33:28.120 --> 02:33:31.600
equivalent is less by a number of hours

02:33:31.680 --> 02:33:34.559
um and so that's one area too that that

02:33:34.639 --> 02:33:38.879
uh staff can be attracted to um the

02:33:38.959 --> 02:33:41.799
local government sector is work life

02:33:41.879 --> 02:33:45.079
balance um the other aspect um was

02:33:45.159 --> 02:33:47.000
around uh the built the built

02:33:47.079 --> 02:33:49.399
environment and uh and I do have to make

02:33:49.479 --> 02:33:51.319
an apology mayor because during that

02:33:51.399 --> 02:33:54.520
speech I was taking screenshots of half

02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:56.879
of the conversation and sending it to a

02:33:56.959 --> 02:33:58.959
fellow counselor colleague here in

02:33:59.040 --> 02:34:01.799
Melbourne there was a part they put up

02:34:01.879 --> 02:34:04.520
this statement about cars are everything

02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:06.840
and and um all these things and then

02:34:06.920 --> 02:34:09.000
crossed it out and wrote wrote what the

02:34:09.079 --> 02:34:10.719
opposite should be but I was only

02:34:10.799 --> 02:34:12.879
keeping half the story from my counselor

02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:15.200
colleague and then I had to fess up near

02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:18.319
the end there but that was um on the

02:34:18.399 --> 02:34:20.120
serious note talked about about that

02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:21.840
transition that we're starting to see

02:34:21.920 --> 02:34:24.440
the city of Whitehorse undertaking the

02:34:24.520 --> 02:34:26.959
Reliance on cars to one where

02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:29.680
walkability improves mental health

02:34:29.760 --> 02:34:32.959
improves livability for the city where

02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:35.520
we go to active transport and may as you

02:34:35.600 --> 02:34:37.799
know I'm an avid cyclist I rode here

02:34:37.879 --> 02:34:39.719
this evening but to provide that

02:34:39.799 --> 02:34:42.840
opportunity for people to do so and to

02:34:42.920 --> 02:34:46.680
have that um various range of housing

02:34:46.760 --> 02:34:50.760
options to embrace that VI vibrancy and

02:34:50.840 --> 02:34:53.360
feel especially in the nighttime economy

02:34:53.440 --> 02:34:56.799
as well um there are a number of other

02:34:56.879 --> 02:34:59.239
uh presenters that were made there the

02:34:59.319 --> 02:35:01.399
other point I would make is I did get an

02:35:01.479 --> 02:35:03.159
opportunity made to talk to a number of

02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:05.719
Rural councils about the work that they

02:35:05.799 --> 02:35:08.840
do and about how they are able to make

02:35:08.920 --> 02:35:10.959
their Pavilions and buildings a lot more

02:35:11.040 --> 02:35:14.159
Co cost affordable May if I compare the

02:35:14.239 --> 02:35:16.239
cost of build in a rural Council and

02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:18.360
they have the tyranny of distance it is

02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:20.959
substantially cheaper than what we find

02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:22.639
ourselves here in the city of White

02:35:22.719 --> 02:35:25.239
Horse I'm interested to see why and one

02:35:25.319 --> 02:35:27.600
of the reasons was that they use

02:35:27.680 --> 02:35:31.159
standard designs and think about using

02:35:31.239 --> 02:35:34.520
standard a story about steel steel mills

02:35:34.600 --> 02:35:36.239
so when you get the steel coming out of

02:35:36.319 --> 02:35:38.200
the steel mill it comes out at a certain

02:35:38.280 --> 02:35:40.479
length and rather than having a custom

02:35:40.559 --> 02:35:42.639
design that that has a special length it

02:35:42.719 --> 02:35:44.399
comes out use a standard ones when

02:35:44.479 --> 02:35:46.879
building you save a fortune and there

02:35:46.959 --> 02:35:49.040
are a number of other lessons that I'd

02:35:49.120 --> 02:35:51.120
learned there and I will pass that on to

02:35:51.200 --> 02:35:53.520
officers mayor given there were others

02:35:53.600 --> 02:35:55.559
that were attending I won't make any

02:35:55.639 --> 02:35:57.600
more comments and I'm sure others will

02:35:57.680 --> 02:35:59.639
do so on the other topics that were

02:35:59.719 --> 02:36:01.799
raised thank you

02:36:01.879 --> 02:36:05.639
mayor council Le no B

02:36:05.719 --> 02:36:08.079
mayor councilor skilbeck

02:36:08.159 --> 02:36:11.399
uh thank you mayor um I have submitted

02:36:11.479 --> 02:36:13.559
the usual note to governance but I will

02:36:13.639 --> 02:36:15.920
just mention my participation in a

02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:18.959
Roundtable on psychosocial safety in the

02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:21.000
workplace which was for fellows of the

02:36:21.079 --> 02:36:23.120
governance Institute of Australia that

02:36:23.200 --> 02:36:26.360
was held on the 2nd of July thank you

02:36:26.440 --> 02:36:27.879
[Music]

02:36:27.959 --> 02:36:31.079
mayor councilor Lane thank you mayor I

02:36:31.159 --> 02:36:33.040
too attended the Australian local

02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:34.959
government Association National General

02:36:35.040 --> 02:36:36.959
Assembly and also attended the

02:36:37.040 --> 02:36:39.319
Australian Council of local government

02:36:39.399 --> 02:36:42.479
conference um a written report is is

02:36:42.559 --> 02:36:44.879
coming it's in train but would like to

02:36:44.959 --> 02:36:47.159
just pluck out a few things and with

02:36:47.239 --> 02:36:48.719
Council Davenport thank goodness for the

02:36:48.799 --> 02:36:51.120
phones because you get to take photos of

02:36:51.200 --> 02:36:55.520
the slides um one one comment that uh

02:36:55.600 --> 02:36:58.040
got my attention was tactical

02:36:58.120 --> 02:37:00.959
urbanism and it's like temporary street

02:37:01.040 --> 02:37:03.040
closures and popup Parks now I'm not

02:37:03.120 --> 02:37:05.200
sure how you have a popup Park but it

02:37:05.280 --> 02:37:08.159
has triggered my interest to seek more

02:37:08.239 --> 02:37:10.959
information and that comes from a um a

02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:14.520
quote from a Janet sadic Khan um which

02:37:14.600 --> 02:37:16.399
was quite interesting another

02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:19.559
interesting one may was uh a a chart

02:37:19.639 --> 02:37:21.399
that was put up and I will share the the

02:37:21.479 --> 02:37:24.200
chart as well but for many of us who are

02:37:24.280 --> 02:37:25.040
gen

02:37:25.120 --> 02:37:27.479
X's uh interesting enough we can't in

02:37:27.559 --> 02:37:31.079
2024 we make up 22% of the population

02:37:31.159 --> 02:37:34.639
but 34% of the labor force and in 10

02:37:34.719 --> 02:37:36.840
years we'll drop to 19% of the

02:37:36.920 --> 02:37:39.520
population and only 20% of the labor

02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:41.799
force so that means a lot of us look

02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:43.959
like we're going to retire in the in the

02:37:44.040 --> 02:37:47.000
next 10 years and well fingers crossed

02:37:47.079 --> 02:37:49.559
we do uh but also what was interesting

02:37:49.639 --> 02:37:52.200
as the Gen Alpha those born between 2018

02:37:52.280 --> 02:37:53.040
and

02:37:53.120 --> 02:37:56.799
2035 currently make up 7% of the

02:37:56.879 --> 02:37:59.600
population obviously 0% of the labor

02:37:59.680 --> 02:38:03.200
force but in 2034 there'll be 19% of the

02:38:03.280 --> 02:38:05.959
population and only just starting 2% of

02:38:06.040 --> 02:38:07.760
the labor force but there are there are

02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:09.600
only our babies at this point in time

02:38:09.680 --> 02:38:11.360
but there's uh going to be a lot more of

02:38:11.440 --> 02:38:14.040
them very very soon but I'll share all

02:38:14.120 --> 02:38:16.000
that some very interesting

02:38:16.079 --> 02:38:19.159
thought-provoking stuff occurred um over

02:38:19.239 --> 02:38:21.959
the few days so uh wait and see you'll

02:38:22.040 --> 02:38:24.239
find out more

02:38:24.319 --> 02:38:26.799
shortly thank you Council Lane councelor

02:38:26.879 --> 02:38:30.479
Car nothing to report councilor cuts no

02:38:30.559 --> 02:38:34.399
report thanks mayor councelor mcneel uh

02:38:34.479 --> 02:38:38.840
yes uh to two items to report uh on uh

02:38:38.920 --> 02:38:42.079
last Wednesday the 3rd of July I uh

02:38:42.159 --> 02:38:44.559
attended the Metropol and transport

02:38:44.639 --> 02:38:47.360
Forum meeting and that was on zoom and

02:38:47.440 --> 02:38:50.520
the guest speaker was h en Row from

02:38:50.600 --> 02:38:54.319
climate Works uh on and uh discussing

02:38:54.399 --> 02:38:56.040
transport

02:38:56.120 --> 02:38:59.079
decarbonization that's a mouthful uh the

02:38:59.159 --> 02:39:02.520
focus of this discussion was the um EVS

02:39:02.600 --> 02:39:04.520
in uh in May this year of course the

02:39:04.600 --> 02:39:07.440
federal government passed new Energy

02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:11.559
Efficiency standards legislation uh EV

02:39:11.639 --> 02:39:14.479
uptake as we know has increased it was

02:39:14.559 --> 02:39:16.879
off a very low base but it's increased

02:39:16.959 --> 02:39:21.600
by 85% since 200 7 um the trend is that

02:39:21.680 --> 02:39:25.120
EV sales of light Vehicles cars is

02:39:25.200 --> 02:39:28.520
expected to increase by another

02:39:28.600 --> 02:39:30.719
73% by

02:39:30.799 --> 02:39:34.360
2030 um EVS are more more popular of

02:39:34.440 --> 02:39:38.079
course for shorten family um due to more

02:39:38.159 --> 02:39:41.479
active transport and people also um

02:39:41.559 --> 02:39:43.959
living and working from home a lot more

02:39:44.040 --> 02:39:47.319
which is uh you know which does save on

02:39:47.399 --> 02:39:50.479
on fuel which is good but the major

02:39:50.559 --> 02:39:52.760
challenge is the technology doesn't

02:39:52.840 --> 02:39:55.559
exist for heavy Vehicles heavy trucks

02:39:55.639 --> 02:39:59.399
Freight in Industry to operate

02:39:59.479 --> 02:40:02.319
EVs and uh they these of course do the

02:40:02.399 --> 02:40:06.319
longer trips the interstate um and the

02:40:06.399 --> 02:40:08.719
infrastructure doesn't exist to support

02:40:08.799 --> 02:40:11.280
them that's the charging infrastructure

02:40:11.360 --> 02:40:13.680
so it's very expensive to develop the

02:40:13.760 --> 02:40:16.399
technology for vehicles with smaller

02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:20.000
unit numbers to be produced

02:40:20.079 --> 02:40:23.280
and um it was suggested as well that

02:40:23.360 --> 02:40:26.719
Australia needs to move from fuel excise

02:40:26.799 --> 02:40:29.840
to a well-designed pricing model that

02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:33.719
addresses uh greater investment in EV

02:40:33.799 --> 02:40:36.959
technology uh development and encourage

02:40:37.040 --> 02:40:40.799
greater uptake of EVS by residents

02:40:40.879 --> 02:40:43.840
living in the outer suburbs that don't

02:40:43.920 --> 02:40:46.719
have good P access to good public

02:40:46.799 --> 02:40:49.319
transport and uh the other interesting

02:40:49.399 --> 02:40:51.959
thing that I wanted to note is that U uh

02:40:52.040 --> 02:40:55.319
the city of Melbourne Richard SM

02:40:55.399 --> 02:40:59.520
Smithers I should say reported on on um

02:40:59.600 --> 02:41:02.959
the changes to uh bike Lanes um in the

02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:05.520
hodle street grid and the

02:41:05.600 --> 02:41:08.840
evaluation um that's uh been

02:41:08.920 --> 02:41:12.280
conducted uh cycling had increased by 7

02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:13.479
uh by

02:41:13.559 --> 02:41:17.079
22% and accidents involving cyclists in

02:41:17.159 --> 02:41:20.040
the CBT have actually increased so

02:41:20.120 --> 02:41:23.120
that's really good news um and

02:41:23.200 --> 02:41:25.319
engagement is open on their website at

02:41:25.399 --> 02:41:29.079
the moment so by October is coming up in

02:41:29.159 --> 02:41:31.479
the city of Melbourne as well and that

02:41:31.559 --> 02:41:34.360
will encourage more cycling and active

02:41:34.440 --> 02:41:37.719
transport so that is really good and uh

02:41:37.799 --> 02:41:40.479
the other thing that I just briefly want

02:41:40.559 --> 02:41:43.239
to mention was

02:41:43.319 --> 02:41:46.200
um pardon

02:41:46.280 --> 02:41:49.879
me and that is on the 27th

02:41:49.959 --> 02:41:52.840
of June I actually went to the digital

02:41:52.920 --> 02:41:56.399
day out event at the round and uh that

02:41:56.479 --> 02:42:00.719
was actually led by uh James lond and uh

02:42:00.799 --> 02:42:03.920
it was mainly targeting businesses in

02:42:04.000 --> 02:42:07.000
Whitehorse but uh I certainly got a lot

02:42:07.079 --> 02:42:09.799
out of it in terms of how we can uh

02:42:09.879 --> 02:42:12.559
better embrace you know the digital

02:42:12.639 --> 02:42:15.559
world and uh and opportunities that that

02:42:15.639 --> 02:42:19.520
will create for for uh for uh business

02:42:19.600 --> 02:42:22.520
and uh likeminded people in Whitehorse

02:42:22.600 --> 02:42:24.879
so that's my report thank you very much

02:42:24.959 --> 02:42:28.879
and I have sent around a report for the

02:42:28.959 --> 02:42:32.719
uh about the MTF um to governance so I

02:42:32.799 --> 02:42:35.559
will circulate to councilors as well

02:42:35.639 --> 02:42:37.799
thank you mayor and

02:42:37.879 --> 02:42:39.879
counselors thank you councelor mcneel

02:42:39.959 --> 02:42:41.799
councelor stenard thank you may nothing

02:42:41.879 --> 02:42:44.600
to report councelor

02:42:44.680 --> 02:42:47.639
Monroe uh thank you mayor uh I also

02:42:47.719 --> 02:42:49.200
attended the Australian local government

02:42:49.280 --> 02:42:51.239
Association National General Assembly in

02:42:51.319 --> 02:42:54.879
CRA on the 3rd and 4th of July last week

02:42:54.959 --> 02:42:58.600
um and notable uh the new governor

02:42:58.680 --> 02:43:01.920
general Sam Mo moist uh was her first

02:43:02.000 --> 02:43:03.680
public speech to local government she's

02:43:03.760 --> 02:43:06.639
cber based so uh she'd been sworn in two

02:43:06.719 --> 02:43:09.200
days earlier uh we had addresses from

02:43:09.280 --> 02:43:12.319
the um Ministers of infrastructure and

02:43:12.399 --> 02:43:15.200
local government and the shadow Minister

02:43:15.280 --> 02:43:16.840
um then we had the final address of

02:43:16.920 --> 02:43:19.040
councelor Linda Scott after her

02:43:19.120 --> 02:43:22.280
four-year term um she'll conclude in

02:43:22.360 --> 02:43:24.600
September um it was interesting to note

02:43:24.680 --> 02:43:26.000
the councilor Scott was somewhat

02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:28.680
critical of the federal government and

02:43:28.760 --> 02:43:30.639
the funding commitments they had made to

02:43:30.719 --> 02:43:32.680
local government sector but some still

02:43:32.760 --> 02:43:36.040
yet to be uh delivered um there are a

02:43:36.120 --> 02:43:37.760
number of reports the local government

02:43:37.840 --> 02:43:39.959
did a major report on local government

02:43:40.040 --> 02:43:42.280
infrastructure and I'll circulate that

02:43:42.360 --> 02:43:45.360
uh to officers um but a quick summary

02:43:45.440 --> 02:43:47.079
from that is councils are good with

02:43:47.159 --> 02:43:49.879
money however council's fake face

02:43:49.959 --> 02:43:53.280
structural challenges in public finances

02:43:53.360 --> 02:43:55.920
um so on the Friday we had the

02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:57.239
Australian Council of local government

02:43:57.319 --> 02:43:59.120
Forum uh the Prime Minister gave the

02:43:59.200 --> 02:44:00.639
opening address and then we had

02:44:00.719 --> 02:44:02.920
presentations from uh panels of

02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:05.399
ministers and Senior bureaucrats or

02:44:05.479 --> 02:44:07.159
actually they were assistant ministers

02:44:07.239 --> 02:44:10.520
um in in part and they were actually it

02:44:10.600 --> 02:44:13.639
was quite uh positive and interactive a

02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:15.600
session uh I'd attended the Australian

02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:17.079
Council of government previously and I

02:44:17.159 --> 02:44:19.040
thought they'd spoke just spoke at us

02:44:19.120 --> 02:44:21.399
previously but this time they engaged

02:44:21.479 --> 02:44:22.799
I'll just conclude one of the

02:44:22.879 --> 02:44:25.600
presentations on the first day uh on one

02:44:25.680 --> 02:44:27.440
of the panels they said local government

02:44:27.520 --> 02:44:28.360
funds

02:44:28.440 --> 02:44:32.079
24% of all arts and culture funding uh

02:44:32.159 --> 02:44:34.399
which I thought was quite significant uh

02:44:34.479 --> 02:44:37.200
that's punching way above our weight in

02:44:37.280 --> 02:44:39.799
that regard because we only collect uh

02:44:39.879 --> 02:44:42.479
we only spend about 1% of the public tax

02:44:42.559 --> 02:44:45.000
revenue thank you

02:44:45.079 --> 02:44:47.479
mayor thank you councelor monra councel

02:44:47.559 --> 02:44:50.719
Barker um no report

02:44:50.799 --> 02:44:55.879
man thank you um so yes I also attended

02:44:55.959 --> 02:45:00.280
the alga conference in canra um and just

02:45:00.360 --> 02:45:03.559
for people's knowledge 537 councils

02:45:03.639 --> 02:45:05.959
across Australia there were 1,200

02:45:06.040 --> 02:45:08.600
attendees at that conference a lot of

02:45:08.680 --> 02:45:11.319
people a lot of Engagement it was um

02:45:11.399 --> 02:45:13.959
very beneficial discussing some of the

02:45:14.040 --> 02:45:17.399
issues um that are common Across the

02:45:17.479 --> 02:45:20.520
Nation uh we did hear from the Govern

02:45:20.600 --> 02:45:22.239
new governor general she'd only been in

02:45:22.319 --> 02:45:25.040
the the role about two days she came she

02:45:25.120 --> 02:45:30.159
was um in in invested was it I don't

02:45:30.239 --> 02:45:33.639
know what yeah anyway she was she yeah

02:45:33.719 --> 02:45:36.319
invested I think invested you on the

02:45:36.399 --> 02:45:39.319
Monday and the um conference started on

02:45:39.399 --> 02:45:41.440
the or she spoke to us on the Wednesday

02:45:41.520 --> 02:45:42.879
and her message was that local

02:45:42.959 --> 02:45:45.239
government is the most trusted level of

02:45:45.319 --> 02:45:47.520
government um it's important to be

02:45:47.600 --> 02:45:49.280
listening and young people people are

02:45:49.360 --> 02:45:51.799
very important and it's important to

02:45:51.879 --> 02:45:54.799
involve and include them and perhaps

02:45:54.879 --> 02:45:57.280
another thing that I um had some

02:45:57.360 --> 02:45:59.559
conversations about is there's a program

02:45:59.639 --> 02:46:02.959
called young May's program um the wab

02:46:03.040 --> 02:46:05.879
association and that's for seven 11 to

02:46:05.959 --> 02:46:08.280
17 year olds and they've been running

02:46:08.360 --> 02:46:11.079
some pilot programs up in maai and also

02:46:11.159 --> 02:46:14.079
at Hepburn um and it's very successful

02:46:14.159 --> 02:46:16.479
in engaging younger

02:46:16.559 --> 02:46:21.440
people uh I think some other interesting

02:46:21.520 --> 02:46:25.120
bits was um democracy support came up

02:46:25.200 --> 02:46:27.399
with a comment and it's an interesting

02:46:27.479 --> 02:46:29.760
reflection we only value what we have

02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:31.399
lost in living

02:46:31.479 --> 02:46:34.559
meory so always interesting to think

02:46:34.639 --> 02:46:38.799
what do you really value and uh the

02:46:38.879 --> 02:46:41.040
demographer Simon cust marker which many

02:46:41.120 --> 02:46:43.959
people will have seen um he did have a

02:46:44.040 --> 02:46:45.360
comment and said one of the worst

02:46:45.440 --> 02:46:47.159
government policies is the first home

02:46:47.239 --> 02:46:49.360
home buyer grants and discuss the

02:46:49.440 --> 02:46:52.360
impacts on what that does to the

02:46:52.440 --> 02:46:56.360
community we um then had we did have a

02:46:56.440 --> 02:46:57.879
presentation I think this is the one

02:46:57.959 --> 02:47:00.280
that councelor Davenport was referring

02:47:00.360 --> 02:47:03.200
to from Steven ywood who's a former Lord

02:47:03.280 --> 02:47:05.879
mayor of Adelaide and is a planner he

02:47:05.959 --> 02:47:07.879
gave us a lot of history around planning

02:47:07.959 --> 02:47:10.959
and it was quite interesting and um one

02:47:11.040 --> 02:47:12.879
of the things that he did was the urban

02:47:12.959 --> 02:47:15.639
mythbusting and they were the slides

02:47:15.719 --> 02:47:19.319
that were put up and for everybody's

02:47:19.399 --> 02:47:21.559
information the one about cars the the

02:47:21.639 --> 02:47:24.440
myth is cars are essential for vibrant

02:47:24.520 --> 02:47:30.840
urban life and he said Yan Gil in

02:47:30.920 --> 02:47:35.159
2010 um disagreed with that and instead

02:47:35.239 --> 02:47:38.440
came out and said cities are for people

02:47:38.520 --> 02:47:40.879
human- centered design prioritizing

02:47:40.959 --> 02:47:44.159
pedestrians creates safer more engaging

02:47:44.239 --> 02:47:47.719
and socially cohesive Urban environments

02:47:47.799 --> 02:47:50.520
so that was that little chain of slides

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and um certainly there was some very

02:47:54.760 --> 02:47:57.879
good discussion on what is um our social

02:47:57.959 --> 02:48:02.239
capital what engages our community Etc

02:48:02.319 --> 02:48:06.200
and um I think many good presentations

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of which I've got plenty of slide photos

02:48:08.920 --> 02:48:11.159
as well so

02:48:11.239 --> 02:48:13.760
um

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the other thing that I wanted to mention

02:48:16.440 --> 02:48:18.959
was I also attended the digital Day Out

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and there were actually Four case

02:48:21.120 --> 02:48:22.719
studies and they were all entrepreneurs

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who' used the digital platforms to build

02:48:24.760 --> 02:48:26.680
their business and it was trying to

02:48:26.760 --> 02:48:30.239
inspire people um in terms of how to

02:48:30.319 --> 02:48:32.360
approach business and and to use the

02:48:32.440 --> 02:48:35.239
digital um

02:48:35.319 --> 02:48:37.719
strategies also I've got two things I

02:48:37.799 --> 02:48:40.799
would like to share on Saturday I

02:48:40.879 --> 02:48:43.799
attended um the IU choir which is a

02:48:43.879 --> 02:48:46.440
Taiwanese choir and um we had a lot of

02:48:46.520 --> 02:48:49.559
visitors out from Taipei

02:48:49.639 --> 02:48:51.920
and um they performed at Box Hill Town

02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:55.000
Hall and um for the afternoon and it was

02:48:55.079 --> 02:48:56.920
really lovely there a choir that goes

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around to aged care facilities Etc in

02:49:00.280 --> 02:49:02.559
the community singing Etc so they do a

02:49:02.639 --> 02:49:04.319
lot of good work and probably many

02:49:04.399 --> 02:49:05.840
people haven't heard of them but we have

02:49:05.920 --> 02:49:07.840
so many Community groups that do

02:49:07.920 --> 02:49:09.840
wonderful things for others in the

02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:14.239
community and I um on Saturday I also

02:49:14.319 --> 02:49:17.760
attended a first robotics event which I

02:49:17.840 --> 02:49:20.000
was quite amazed by it was at Blackburn

02:49:20.079 --> 02:49:21.479
high school it's the third year it's

02:49:21.559 --> 02:49:23.520
been hosted there it's actually an

02:49:23.600 --> 02:49:24.879
international

02:49:24.959 --> 02:49:28.239
competition um the winner if you like of

02:49:28.319 --> 02:49:30.120
Australia will end up traveling to the

02:49:30.200 --> 02:49:34.040
US and um so I was so impressed with it

02:49:34.120 --> 02:49:38.280
and it is to encourage um stem um

02:49:38.360 --> 02:49:41.239
studies if you like these amazing large

02:49:41.319 --> 02:49:43.399
things that are or things I shouldn't

02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:47.520
say things robots that are built by

02:49:47.600 --> 02:49:50.159
secondary students and then they compete

02:49:50.239 --> 02:49:53.879
in teams and I was so impressed I rang

02:49:53.959 --> 02:49:56.760
councilor Monroe on Sunday at about

02:49:56.840 --> 02:49:59.280
lunchtime and said where are you are you

02:49:59.360 --> 02:50:01.319
in the area you need to come and see

02:50:01.399 --> 02:50:03.760
this and I he was out letter boxing so I

02:50:03.840 --> 02:50:05.200
picked him up and took him to have a

02:50:05.280 --> 02:50:07.159
look and it was very impressive wasn't

02:50:07.239 --> 02:50:08.799
it councilor Monro I've not seen

02:50:08.879 --> 02:50:11.399
something like it but how exciting that

02:50:11.479 --> 02:50:14.360
we have got that sort of competition now

02:50:14.440 --> 02:50:16.719
three years in a row in Whitehorse and

02:50:16.799 --> 02:50:19.159
Blackburn High School Is providing the

02:50:19.239 --> 02:50:21.239
host venue and

02:50:21.319 --> 02:50:24.239
um they have a full basketball court set

02:50:24.319 --> 02:50:27.639
up with a a course the robots that are

02:50:27.719 --> 02:50:29.440
built each year it's a different course

02:50:29.520 --> 02:50:31.520
so the robots have to do different

02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:34.000
functions they were picking things up

02:50:34.079 --> 02:50:36.559
shooting up there going and getting this

02:50:36.639 --> 02:50:38.840
trying to get something over a pole part

02:50:38.920 --> 02:50:41.680
of it was autonomous um motion it was

02:50:41.760 --> 02:50:45.239
quite amazing and exciting to see our

02:50:45.319 --> 02:50:48.239
young people actually getting involved

02:50:48.319 --> 02:50:50.520
but when I say as there was a team from

02:50:50.600 --> 02:50:53.639
Blackburn high but there were teams from

02:50:53.719 --> 02:50:55.520
around Australia there were people down

02:50:55.600 --> 02:50:57.440
from Queensland New South Wales South

02:50:57.520 --> 02:50:59.840
Australia so it was actually really

02:50:59.920 --> 02:51:02.239
fascinating I have got some little video

02:51:02.319 --> 02:51:04.280
clips I'll share with the counselors

02:51:04.360 --> 02:51:06.120
because it was quite exciting to see

02:51:06.200 --> 02:51:07.959
that opportunity for students in this

02:51:08.040 --> 02:51:09.639
area and it was open to the public

02:51:09.719 --> 02:51:11.000
anyone could have visited over the

02:51:11.079 --> 02:51:14.120
weekend so something

02:51:14.200 --> 02:51:18.719
different and um I now will um ask ask

02:51:18.799 --> 02:51:20.840
that I have a mover to note these

02:51:20.920 --> 02:51:23.440
reports thank you councel second

02:51:23.520 --> 02:51:27.799
seconded councelor Cuts all those in

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:32.079
favor carried

02:51:40.840 --> 02:51:45.440
unanimously I think we're at the

02:51:55.639 --> 02:52:00.079
of the meeting and um our next ordinary

02:52:00.159 --> 02:52:01.760
meeting of council will be held on

02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:04.799
Monday the 22nd of July

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20124 I now close this meeting at

02:52:08.760 --> 02:52:12.360
9:57 um I thank everybody for the um

02:52:12.440 --> 02:52:14.760
passionate debate tonight and I thank

02:52:14.840 --> 02:52:16.399
those who've been listening online and

02:52:16.479 --> 02:52:20.280
those in the gallery I now hope that you

02:52:20.360 --> 02:52:22.440
all enjoy the rest of the evening good

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night