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good evening everyone I am councelor

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Denise Massoud mayor of Whitehorse City

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Council and I welcome all who have

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joined this council meeting both in

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person and online Council live streams

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Council meetings and a copy of the live

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stream will be available for viewing on

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council's website within 48

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hours I now formally open this council

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meeting and will recite the opening and

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acknowledgement of country please stand

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if you are able

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we give thanks oh God for the men and

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women of the past whose generous

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devotion to the common good has been the

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making of our city grant that our own

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generation may build worthily on the

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foundations they have laid direct our

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minds that all we plan and determine is

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for the well-being of our city

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Amen   Whitehorse City Council acknowledges

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theery Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people of the Kulin Nation

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as the Traditional Owners of the land we

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are meeting on and we pay our respects

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to their Elders past present and

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emerging and to Aboriginal and Torres

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Strait Islanders from communities who

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may be present with us

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today please be seated

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I would now like to introduce our

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councilors and Senior

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officers Deputy Mayor Councelor Andrew

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Davenport good evening and welcome

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councelor Tina Liu good evening and

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welcome to all councelor Trudy Skilbeck

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 thank you mayor good evening a very

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warm welcome to everyone councelor Mark

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Lane good evening all great to see you

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here and hello to those tuning in

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outside councilor Raylene Carr

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 good evening everyone and welcome to

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all those in the gallery for those at

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home we have quite a crowd here this

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evening so welcome also to those tuning

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in at home Council Prue Cutts yes good

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evening all especially to those who've

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made it here this evening in the gallery

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it's a it's a good turnout tonight and

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know is online thank you mayor councelor

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Amanda Mc Neill

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good evening everyone a warm

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welcome welcome especially to those in

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the gallery tonight great to see a crowd

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here tonight and also a warm welcome to

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those listening

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online councilor Ben Stennet good

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evening everyone welcome councelor

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Andrew Munroe thank you mayor good

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evening all a very warm welcome

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councilor Blair Barker good evening Mayor

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good evening all including to the people

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at home probably watching in Canada they

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got the City of Whitehorse Box Hill

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mixed up with the City of Whitehorse in

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the Yukon which I did today

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so we are also joined by the CEO and

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Senior officers I will commence with the

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chief executive officer Simon

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McMillan evening everyone welcome Jeff

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Green director city

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evelopment Steven White director

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infrastructure  director community

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services Siobhan Sullivan executive

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manager

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transformation Fran Nolan manager

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strategic marketing and

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communications Vivien Feno manager

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governance and integrity and members of

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the governance and IT

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teams are there any

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apologies I have no apologies 

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so we will now move to disclosures of

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interest there are two disclosures of

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interest for tonight's meeting myself

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and Councilor

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Lane are there any other disclosures of

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interest okay so

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 I delare a general

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conflict of interest on item 10.5 which

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is the community Whitehorse Community

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grants program I recently became a board

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member at the Avenue Neighborhood House

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and they have applied for a grant so I

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will leave the chamber during that

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item Council Lane you have indicated

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that you have a conflict of interest can

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you please advise us of the item you

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have a conflict of interest in and the

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nature of that interest thank you mayor

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I have a conflict of interest  which

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falls into the confidential reports this

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evening  due to a close family

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relationship with  a member of the 

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tender the vendor whatever would you

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like to call it thank

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you we now move to  confirmation of

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minutes confirmation of minutes for the

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ordinary meeting of council held on the

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8th of July

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2024 can I please have a counselor to

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move and second happy to move happy to

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second  moved councelor Skilbeck

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second councelor Liu

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 I think I had a barrage of people

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wanting to help  I now put the motion

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 all those in favor please raise your

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hand carried

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unanimously next item is urgent business

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and we have no urgent business this

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evening

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item six on the agenda is request to

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speak request to speak enables members

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of the community to speak directly to

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council at a council meeting requests to

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speak will not exceed 30 minutes in

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duration with a maximum of 10 persons

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being granted up to 3 minutes to present

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their subject matter please be reminded

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that your speech must not be defamatory

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indecent abusive offensive irrelevant or

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objectionable in language or

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substance tonight we have 10 speakers so

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I will be keeping people to their three

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minute time

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limit our first two speakers tonight

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will be expressing support for item 9.1

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a notice of motion from Councilor Stennett

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regarding pedestrian safety around Antonio

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Park Primary School the first speaker is

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Carli Jones I now call Carli to the

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lecturn  mayor  I do foreshadow at the

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conclusion of this item to move a

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suspension of standing orders to

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indicate if if any of the speakers that

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did seek to register tonight but was

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more than 10 if they were here in the

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gallery that that they do get that

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opportunity to speak I'm just

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foreshadowing that thank you

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mayor thank you for the

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opportunity as principal of Antonio Park

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Primary School I'd like to request the

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advocacy and potential funding support

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for pedestrian overpass across Whitehorse

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 Road this overpass would not only

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benefit the 500 plus rate payers from

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our school but the many pedestrians who

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use the pedestrian crossing on a daily

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basis to access Heatherdale station and

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Eastlink bike path there have been a

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number of near misses on this 10 Lane

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stretch of road where cars have driven

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through red lights narrowly missing

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children we don't want to wait for a

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tragedy before action is taken an

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overpass would not only benefit all

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pedestrians but significantly improve

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the flow of traffic on Whitehorse Road

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Whitehorse Council has communicated to

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the school on several occasions now that

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sections of the pedestrian crossing

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would not be attended I or members of my

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leadership team have supervised the

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school crossing when we have been

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available our request Whitehorse

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Council undertake detailed assessment of

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parking in the slip lane on Whitehorse

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Road and Antonio park there are

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approximately 35 unmarked parking spaces

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in the slip lane which Antonio Park

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resides the eight unmarked spots closest

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to our school are taken every weekday by

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8:00 a.m. by local factory workers and

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remain unavailable for the rest of the

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day Whitehorse Council States on its

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website that quote counseling encourages

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a regular turnover of parking bays

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through restrictions so that drivers can

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have fair access to areas with a limited

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parking we request that Whitehorse

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Council establish eight 2hour

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restriction parking spots during

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weekdays to allow fair and equal access

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to parking we also request the review of

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parking and any potential opportunities

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to extend parking areas in Antonio Park

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Antonio Park Primary School would like

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to acknowledge that this was and always

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will be Wurundjeri land in

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1878 the Antonio family settled on this

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site and bequeathed the property to Nunawading

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 Council for permanent Park Garden

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Place of recreation and playground on

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the 30th of November

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1953 John Antonio's wishes for Antonio

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Park to be as far as possible all native

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trees and shrubs to be preserved in its

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natural state we believe the is that

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mean I'm out okay  we believe it is

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possible to extend and enhance the car

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park in Antonio Park under this bequeathment 

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all residents in Whitehorse would

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benefit from additional parking and

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landscaping which would be inclusive and

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provide appropriate and equal access to

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this public site there are currently

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approximately 18 unmarked parking bays

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on an unsealed driveway the Whitehorse

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Council recently identified five key

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themes the community wanted to

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prioritize in their budget we believe

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our requests are targeting three of

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these priorities our requests will

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enhance parks playgrounds open spaces

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roads footpaths and community safety

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thank you for your time thank you

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Carlie our second speaker is Callan Gyan ?

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Ben thank

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you and just I should have perhaps

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announced beforehand you'll get

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that noise when you've got 30 seconds to

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go good evening all my name is Cal and

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I'm the vice president of the Antonio

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Park Primary School Council and a very

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proud Mitcham resident in fact a very very

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proudest Mitcham resident I'm here to

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represent on behalf of Antonio Park

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primary primary school Community i'

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would like to thank our  counselors

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Prue Cutts and Ben Stennet who have constantly

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been in touch with the school community

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and who support to bring this to the

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council's ATT council's attention I

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would strongly support the overpass on

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behalf of the M as a resident and of

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Mitch and as a parent I would like to

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advocate for the O pedestrian over pass

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across White House Road this discussions

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around the over pass has been bought up

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nerous times over the last few years

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and to the school council meetings from

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the parents and overpass would

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significantly help the school and local

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community and acts as a connecting link

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for the commuters taking that towards

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trying towards hea heel

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and people who want to walk to the enjoy

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a peaceful walk to the nature in Yar

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Daren in addition there's a child care

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across Antonio right opposite to Antonio

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Park so parents who have multiple drop

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offs at Antonio Park as well as a child

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this would hugely benefit them the

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amount of times this overpass has

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discussion has come on mitm Resident

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page which I am the co-administrator of

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that is nerous times School Community

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meetings Etc in support of this tells

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the importance of the o this or

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pass this would a a free flow of traffic

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on White House Road and help the

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community provide that safer school

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crossing as kie mentioned I have noticed

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nerous times where the school 

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School principal and school school staff

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have been supervising

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the acted as a school cross school

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crossing supervisor which may not always

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be

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feasible and addition and having an over

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pass would definitely Aid this one day

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the second one is in that pardon me

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in regards to the parking there are

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approximately 35 unmarked parking space

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in the slip lanane in V Antonio Park

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resides all this parking spaces  serve

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the small businesses right adjacent to

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the Antonio Park the these car parks are

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utilized by the local Factory workers

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and are occupied before 8:00 a.m. every

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single

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day we we request the Cil White House

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Council to establish like additional

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eight 2hour restriction parking spots

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during week days and during school hours

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so that way that would immen immensely

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assist this school Community we also

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request to review the parking of any

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potential opportunities to extend the

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parking area within Antonio Park from

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the deep entering from the Deep Creek

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Deep Creek

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Rod which would again hugely benefit

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both the parents as well as the people

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enjoying the Comm enjoying the Antonio

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Park picnic area there thank you for

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giving me this opportunity and thank you

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all thank you K thank you

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our next speaker is Tim Ryder from

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pro-urban advisory Tim will be speaking

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in support of item 10.1 26-28 Wellington

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Road Box Hill I now call Tim to the

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lecton good evening councellors and

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thank you very much for the opportunity

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to speak tonight my name is Tim Ryder

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and I'm a town planning consultant

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pro-urban and we are acting on behalf of

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AP Holdings who are the proponents of

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the planning application for 26 to 28

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Wellington Road in Box Hill I will be

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speaking in support of The Proposal this

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evening during the course of this

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application the permit applicant and the

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design team have worked very closely

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with Council officers and council's

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expert Urban Design advisor to gain

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their support this has been a positive

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and constructive process and we would

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like to thank all of the council

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officers involved for their willingness

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to engage with

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us the proposed development represents

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the second stage of AP Holdings Vision

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to deliver world-class medical

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facilities within this part of Box Hill

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it is important to note that the AP are

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also the developer behind the project at

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12 to 22 Wellington Road which is the

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site directly to the south of 26 to 28

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Wellington Road which is before you this

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evening 12 to 22 Wellington Road is

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currently under construction and is a 21

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story Medical Center due for completion

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in the coming months similar to this

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development The Proposal before you

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tonight is also a health facility and

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over the 19 levels proposed will deliver

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a further 11,000 M of medical floor

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space to Box Hill the medical tendencies

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that will occupy this Flor space are

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envisaged to generate health related

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employment opportunities for residents

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of Whitehorse and The Wider area the

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new businesses that occupy the building

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will enjoy immediate proximity to the

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nearby Box Hill and Epworth hospitals

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and I would note that it has been

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council's long held vision for this area

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to evolve into a health and education

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Precinct and it is fantastic to see the

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realization of this Vision being

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supported by these two privately L

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developments from a design perspective

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the building has been carefully crafted

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by renowned Melbourne Architects Fender

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catales at 19 Stories the building is of

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a scale that is commensurate with other

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approvals in the surrounding area and we

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have worked closely with officers to

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ensure that it is of a form and design

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that appropriately fits within the

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context of the area and The Wider major

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development Precinct of Box Hill in

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terms of detailed design and materiality

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the proposal is what you would expect

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from a tier one architect and will

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complement the exemplary architect which

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is now on display as 12 to 22 Wellington

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Road nears

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completion it is also of note that at

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ground level significant attention has

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been paid to ensuring that the proposal

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responds positively to the public realm

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and the laneway that abuts the site to

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the South as part of this application a

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new Plaza area is proposed in the

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southwestern corner of the site and it's

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been designed to tie into the laneway

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and the public plazer area provided in

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the northwest corner of the site at 12

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to 22 wton Road when combined the two

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plazas and lanway will create a

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significant public realm offering

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these reasons it is our opinion that the

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proposal very much represents an

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acceptable planning outcome for this

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important site of inbox hill we would

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like to thoroughly commend the officer's

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recommendation to approve this planning

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application and we very much hope you

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will agree with their recommendation

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this evening than you time thank you our

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next speaker is Taran soel Berry from

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Golden Age Urus limited who will be

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speaking in support of item

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10.2

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202 545 Station Street Box Hill sale and

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consption of liquor in association

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with a karaoke bar I now call Taran to

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the

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Elon thank you councilors  as you

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mentioned we are acting on behalf of the

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applicant for golden age for the

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proposed karaoke bar in sky 1 The

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Proposal is in the boxill major activity

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center and will provide a unique

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offering that will contribute to the

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vibrancy of this retail

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area  we are in support of council's

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recommendation for a notice of decision

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to Grant a permit subject to conditions

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and we'll ask  that you to consider it

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supporting this proposal  whilst The

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Proposal is for a karaoke bar it is much

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more organized as a karaoke facility and

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easy easier to manage than a standard

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bar primarily as patrons assed into

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dedicated karaoke rooms or waiting areas

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that are acoustically treated with set

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booking times and direct  and

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durations we have also worked

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constructively with Council and have

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suggested that there would be no walk up

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patronage after 12:00 a.m. into response

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from  concerns from Council and the

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community we do ask councilors that you

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consider tonight allowing the prop 

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proponent to retain the 3:00 a.m.

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operating hour  between Monday to

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Thursday during the week the close time

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 for the reasons that we'll talk to

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tonight council's recommendation in the

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officer report related to  public

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transport ceasing at 12:00 a.m. and

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hence they've recommended that closing

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hours be reduced to 1:00 a.m.  whilst

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we recognize that public transport at

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these hours does finish at 12:  I'd

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like to point out two things one Council

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have recommended a condition on our

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permit if granted tonight that would

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significantly decant patr numbers

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throughout the night they would

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gradually reduce in the in the later

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hours with a significant reduction  by

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2 a.m. to 150 patrons this will 

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significantly assist in ensuring that

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there'd be no unreasonable amenity

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impacts to the surrounding area and at

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these hours we also suggest that it's

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reasonable to expect that a lower

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proportion of patrons that will be using

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the venue will opt to use  Uber or

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taxi which is located in direct

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proximity to the site as their means of

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getting home and it's not expected that

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the venue will be operating at full

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capacity at all nights during the week

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in addition our client has worked hard

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to prepare a 45 page venue management

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plan with an experienced general manager

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in response to to the concerns raised by

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Council and the community some key

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things that I would like to point out to

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you tonight includes in  the fact that

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they're ensuring that there is no access

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to the residential levels from the

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proposed venue  and that there will be

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standard practices relating the

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responsible serving of alcohol and

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ensuring that food is available to

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patrons at all times in addition there

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will be four crowd controllers present

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at all time which exceeds the national

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requirements and these crowd controllers

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will be responsible not only for

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managing level two where the venue is

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proposed but the ground floor access

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ensuring that patrons entering and

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exiting the venue are doing so in

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appropriate man  Manner and they will

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also be responsible for patrolling the

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surrounding area and making sure that

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there is no unreasonable impacts to the

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surrounding

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area thank you  there is just one area

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in the council report that if there is

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an opportunity we'd like to speak to 

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later in terms of Patron numbers but

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otherwise thank you for your time

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thank you

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Taran our next speaker is h g from

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boxill who will be speaking against item

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10.2  which is

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22545 Station Street Box Hill  which

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is the carry Oki bar we have just heard

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about I now call qu to the lecon good

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evening all  I'm here to represent the

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pot potatoes we already collect 4 68

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potatoes to oppose such a proposal and

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 here we want to say even though we

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understand the desire to add an

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attainment in this area but however we

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still believe such particular proposal

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would have significant negative impacts

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on residents and the surrounding

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area outed any potential benefits and 

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the following concerns our major

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concerns for this  opposition first

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one is regarding noise impacts despite

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the crusti report a current ubar

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operating until early in the morning

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will inevitably produce disruptive noise

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levels that will negatively impact

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residents in this building and the

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surrounding area the proposed noise

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mitigation measure are unlikely to be

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sufficient especially for such late

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operation hours second Safety and

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Security concerns the large number of

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potentially intoxicated patrons existing

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the vu in the early hours of the morning

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poses serious Safety and Security risks

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for residents the proposed security

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measures are inadequate to manage these

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many people third  immunity impacts

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increased food traffic curing smoking

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outside and the potential antisocial

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Behavior will significantly detract from

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the amenity of the building and the

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surrounding street especially light 

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especially late at night for inadequate

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public transport and the lack of public

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transport operation after midnight

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especially on wak nights we are likely

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lead to groups of patrons loing when

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waiting for taxes or red

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shares exess accting noise and safety

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issues fifth  incompatibility with

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mixed use building a late neighbor bar

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is incompatible with the residential

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nature in this building residents should

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be able to expect reasonable peace and

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quiet especially on week nights six 

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acculative packs when the area does

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have other licensed venues most are

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residents  most are restaurants that

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Clos earlier this proposal would

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significantly increase late n activity

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and Associated impacts and the last

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impacts is about approving such a large

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night menu could set a concern president

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for for future application in this area

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 I urge the council to reject this

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application in its current form or our

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all at minim the operation hour should

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be significantly reduced such as close

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at 11:00 p.m. on week nights midnight on

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weekend and the maxim Patron numbers

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lowered and more proper measures to

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protect residents amenity and safety

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should be concerned thank you

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thank you

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H the next three speakers are addressing

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item 10.5 Whitehorse Community grants

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program

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2425 the first speaker is Bill Tomkins

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from the Blackburn Lions I will now call

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Bill to the

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lecton well thank you for the

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opportunity to address Council on this

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very  important issue Blackburn Lions

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was formerly known as Blackburn North

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lions and has been proudly part of the

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local community for some 49 years over

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this period we have greatly valued

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support from the city of Whitehorse and

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its preceding entities fundraising is a

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hard slog trash and treasure sales have

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historically been Blackburn lion's

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longest running and most successful

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fundraiser typically we make about $10

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per person hour expended on this project

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if we need to pay tip fees of say

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$300 we are in effect expending 30 hours

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of volunteer effort on waste

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disposal I would much prefer that these

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30 hours of hard work directly provide

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for needy causes in our

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community over the years our annual

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allocation of tip vouchers has reduced

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from 12 to 6 to four and then of course

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the previous recommendation of zero we

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are relieved that the allocation of tip

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vouchers is now back on the agenda our

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allocation is two vouchers we strongly

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employ Council to increase our

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allocation to four to  to match the

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demand of our trash and treasure

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sales as I've previously indicated in my

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correspondence on this

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matter Blackburn Lions trash and

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treasure sales is a Project based on

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recycling in its purest form it removes

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many tons of otherwise waste from

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Council garbage and hard waste

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streams however some waste is a natural

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outcome of our recycling efforts despite

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our best Endeavors some things are just

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not

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suitable or just don't sell before

00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.839
tipping a waste every effort is taken to

00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.799
separate recyclable elements cardboard

00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.480
metals and electrical items are

00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:52.880
separated and transported separately to

00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.880
the recycling center we used to also

00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.000
separate paper but for some reason paper

00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:59.480
is is no longer accepted at the

00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.640
recycling center so we do our best to

00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.960
make use of our own domestic recycling

00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:05.920
bins for

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.240
paper the early part of my career was

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.240
spent as an engineer in local government

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.920
I strongly believe that local knowledge

00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.160
and knowledge of our community leads to

00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.319
good recommendations and decision making

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.559
I'm not a fan  of Reliance on generic

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.599
customer surveys generated by

00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.680
Consultants I

00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.880
believe that rather than cutting the

00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:30.839
allocation of vouchers council could

00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.559
increase recycling by increasing the

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.400
allocation of tip vouchers provided that

00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.119
the allocations were targeted to

00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.400
activities and organizations that

00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.559
genuinely

00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.720
recycle in closing I would

00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.799
once again like to invite counselors and

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.680
in particular Council officers to come

00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.279
along to our sales and events and

00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.559
discuss what we do as lions and how we

00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.200
do it and thank you for your time

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[Music]

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thank you

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Bill next we

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.839
have two members from Eastern emergency

00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.240
relief Network firstly we will hear from

00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.720
John poen I now call John to the

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lecton  good evening mayor

00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.319
councilors  my name is John Pullen I'm

00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.720
the  president of Eastern emergency

00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.160
relief Network Gabby couldn't make it

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.759
tonight she's ill I've brought ENT

00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.920
salong vice president so we've got the

00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.680
big guns out

00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.839
tonight

00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.839
 thank you for this opportunity to ask

00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.000
for assistance in our fight our fight

00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:42.319
against

00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.720
poverty Eastern emergency Rel left

00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.319
Network started in

00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:52.200
1995 and has assisted 60,000 families

00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.000
with the collection of unwanted

00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.200
household goods from the public and the

00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.440
distribution of those household items to

00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.440
Families in

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.799
Need by doing this 5 days a week Easter

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.519
emergency network is saving the council

00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.000
thousands of

00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.599
dollars with the collection or sorry

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.279
with the council not having to hire hard

00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.119
rubbish

00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.680
contractors this saving could be

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:29.240
redirected with tip vouches 12 one a

00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.279
month needed by earn to keep its

00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.279
operations functioning in the White

00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.279
Horse

00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:39.720
municipality now this cost saving at

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.519
Eastern emergency relief Network could

00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.759
also be spent in purchasing much needed

00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.279
food items to help those clients in

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.039
emergency

00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.480
situation these families include

00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.839
refugees the homeless students

00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.680
families affected by Family Violence

00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.200
persons dealing with medical

00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.920
disabilities and generally those under

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.039
privileged

00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.559
families with 65 volunteers at n we try

00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.119
and give these family groups through the

00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.599
115 welfare

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.640
agencies  Independence and

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.240
somehow improve the quality of their

00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.039
lives with the basic household goods to

00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.640
make themselves a home if the C if the

00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.720
council could support Eastern emergency

00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.440
Network in its quest in

00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.799
recycling these unwanted household items

00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.039
it's a win-win

00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.880
situation where the underprivileged are

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.160
given an opportunity for a new start the

00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.559
council will save taxpayer

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.759
money and the public can utilize Eastern

00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.200
emergencies relief Network free pickup

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.240
of unwanted household goods now with the

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.400
council issue of 12 tipping passes to

00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.039
earn this will become a special

00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.000
partnership that will assist many family

00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.680
groups just by the recycling of

00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:13.799
household goods thank you

00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.319
Council thank you

00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.640
John next is Gabby Naple I now called

00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.000
Gabby to the oh Gabby's

00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.000
away okay sorry I've been delegated on

00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.599
behalf of Gabby who's unfortunately got

00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.200
the flute  I actually hadn't prepared

00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.319
anything so just a couple of quick

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.000
points I'd like to make so I'm vice

00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.480
president I actually run the ware house

00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.319
at n and could I ask you just to state

00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.440
your name please state your name vice

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.440
president of easn emergency relief

00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.039
Network so go ahead as part of my

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:53.519
responsibilities I actually run the

00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.160
warehouse up at n and as part of that

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.799
I'm the one who manages

00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.799
the items that come in and we have to

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.039
either that aren't good enough to send

00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.119
out to our clients and our basic rule is

00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.559
if we wouldn't use it ourselves we won't

00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.079
send it to clients but what I can assure

00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.119
you is that we take great steps to

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.599
reduce the vole of waste that ends up

00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.039
in the tip we strip mattresses down we

00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.279
take the steel out of mattresses recycle

00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.119
the steel so we're greatly reducing our

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.799
output of waste as well as trying to

00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.640
prevent it reduce it coming in the

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.000
second aspect I just like to highlight

00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.559
is that in conjunction with the council

00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.519
who have been long-term partners with

00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.039
Eastern emergency relief Network we have

00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.240
currently in the process of finalizing

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.440
an arrangement with the the council

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:54.759
contractor scr to actually improve the

00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.119
pickup of hard rubbish in a systematic

00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.720
way scr will work with Eastern emergency

00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.440
and its own outlets for waste waste

00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.880
material from hard rubbish

00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.920
to recycle those items either the

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.519
furniture through easn emergency or the

00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.759
clothing through scr's outlets and the

00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.640
toys and the baby products to another

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.839
charity in the northern suburbs so we

00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.920
are very pleased to be partners with the

00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.200
council in this process and again it's

00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.440
going to reduce the amount of hard

00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.079
rubbish the council will have to to do

00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.039
one day a week there will be pickups by

00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.559
scr the last aspect is which we haven't

00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.799
touched on as John

00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.880
said EAS emergency also in addition to

00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.880
our furniture we actually provide the

00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.000
need the clients who need it with soft

00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.200
goods and emergency food and certainly

00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.160
we greatly appreciate over the last few

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.680
years Whitehorse council's grants to

00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.720
buy soft goods particularly linen and

00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.319
pillows and quilts which are and and

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.799
duners which are very difficult to

00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.039
recycle most of the ones you receive are

00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.119
not suitable to recycled and that Grant

00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.320
those grants have greatly been greatly

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.159
appreciated by our recipients and

00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.559
complement other donations we get of

00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.400
sheets and that from recycling through

00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.239
Sher and other Goods so I'd

00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.639
commend those both sets of Grants to

00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.679
recent emergency and we look forward to

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:34.679
working in future again with Whitehorse

00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.360
Council thank you

00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.159
Ann to conclude the  the requests to

00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.199
speak this evening we have two members

00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.480
from the Belmore Road te intersection

00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.880
Action Group the first one is Susan

00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:55.159
bleay I now call Susan to the lecturn

00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.480
all right  Susan bulay and on the

00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.360
convenor of our group we have about 12

00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.760
members currently and our common concern

00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.840
 we are very concerned about  Road

00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.880
Traffic Safety at that intersection on

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.000
 at the corner of Ros Trevor parade

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:21.320
and Belmore Road now our main main

00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.559
concerns are the vole of traffic that

00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.920
passes through the intersection daily 

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.360
the restricted line of sight for

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.599
motorists turning both left and right

00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.280
into Belmore Road and  the vole of

00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.840
traffic yes and no provision at the

00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:40.559
intersection for

00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.280
pedestrians  and the impact of the

00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.480
unrestricted parking in the North End of

00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.239
Ros Trevor parade so I'll just go

00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.519
through a few of those points I have 

00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.920
two members of the group to  assist by

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.039
coming up and going through some

00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.679
particular issues  I'm going to to

00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.079
deal mainly with the parking many

00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.280
drivers use Ross Trevor as a two-way

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.400
egress Point both in and out of the Mont

00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.559
Albert housing estate it's not only

00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.400
local traffic we deal with but a lot of

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.559
North southbound traffic that want to

00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.960
avoid using elar Road and  Union Road

00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.280
so

00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.280
  also  so there's a creates a

00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.159
high vole of traffic passing not just

00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.039
local residents cars not owned by

00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.760
residents regularly Park  on the east

00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.719
side of the street for unlimited periods

00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.760
of time and probably treat the top end

00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.800
of Ros Trevor parade as a a kind of a

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.519
park and ride Arrangement so they can

00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.760
catch the buses which we do value the

00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.159
bus service but there is a an issue

00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.679
there  and  various things like cars

00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.559
turning into Ros Trev sometimes at risk

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.039
of colliding with cars parked on the

00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:53.639
east side of the street we want to

00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:56.599
minimize this risk we deem the me we

00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.440
deem there needs to be a no standing

00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.159
Zone established  four car lengths on

00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.159
both the   east and west side of the

00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.840
street to avoid congestion of cars

00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.239
passing through and also collisions and

00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.039
cars turning left and taking too wide a

00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.480
swing and then maybe confronting ongoing

00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.679
traffic and so we feel we have  a

00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.480
handle on

00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.360
the parking restrictions that could

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.679
solve a lot of the problem  with very

00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:29.440
little expense and probably quite

00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.440
immediately but there are other issues

00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.760
like obstructed line of sight for

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.239
drivers turning out very dangerous could

00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:42.599
be T-Bone type collisions easily  so

00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.440
 we want to introduce perit permit

00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.320
parking  if we can and also talk with

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.760
the Traffic Engineers about that  it

00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.920
seems this is problem in our state is

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.119
being exacerbated by  overdevelopment

00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.039
currently for instance so there's a

00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.280
there are 18 tow houses proposed to be

00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.280
built on the corner of FR Franchesca

00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.599
Street and relo Street and they will

00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.760
undoubtedly use the intersection it's

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.360
been estimated that  on a daily basis

00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.239
there'll be 154 extra trips through the

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.440
intersection just as a result of this

00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:15.639
residential

00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.559
development  so also look I have to

00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.719
say I've

00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.880
witnessed recently quite a serious

00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.400
accident and so if we could have help

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.599
with data and  parking restrictions

00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.519
thank you thank

00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.000
you the final speaker tonight is Chris

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.079
SAU I call Chris to the Leon  thank

00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.559
you as a resident for 31 years I've

00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.400
observed the massive increase in traffic

00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.880
both on belma road and Ros Rover parade

00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.039
which is a thoroughfare for all vehicles

00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.440
wanting to enter belma Road this has

00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.239
coincided with the constant development

00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.840
in the local area each house demolished

00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.360
is replaced by at least three dwellings

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.920
according to the 2021 census 59.1% of

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.480
dwellings have two or more registered

00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.880
Vehicles parked at their address 16%

00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.079
have three or more vehicles from 2021

00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.000
high density developments in Mont elate

00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.039
North and adjacent localities has

00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.239
continued at an accelerated at

00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.800
accelerated rate there also trade

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.199
vehicles and trucks constantly parked in

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.480
the local streets turning right into

00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.440
belore Road has progressively become

00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.119
more difficult over time it is difficult

00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:32.920
enough to turn right into BMA road with

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.360
a constant stream of vehicles without it

00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.880
the added without the added issue of

00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.159
restricted line of sight the BMA Road

00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.280
Ros Trevor parade T intersection has

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.000
become hazardous to use vehicles are

00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.400
often cured on the Ros Trav parade

00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.480
waiting long periods to turn right into

00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.199
BMA Road this had led to drivers being

00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.400
frustrated and taken risks I believe

00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.039
that they've already been exent to this

00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.239
intersection as Su

00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.400
alluded the difficulty of turning right

00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.719
from Ros Trevor parade to BMA road is

00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.599
exacerbated by the presence of parked

00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.440
cars close to the

00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.840
intersection cars regularly park on the

00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.360
south side of BMA Road East of the T

00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.039
intersection and in front of the bus

00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.719
stop which greatly restricts the

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:20.559
driver's view of oncoming traffic along

00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.440
bmer Road restricting parking from the T

00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.599
intersection beyond the bus stop would

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.280
greatly improve the line of sight and

00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.599
subsequent safety of cars using the T

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.559
section parked cars on Ros Trev parade

00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:35.719
close to the T section also make it

00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.599
difficult to turn from BMA Road onto Ros

00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.400
Trevor parade Ros Trevor parade is

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.440
narrow and is such the park cars require

00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.519
ongoing traffic to vea to the wrong side

00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.920
of the road in order to proceed during

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.679
this during this close to the inter

00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.840
doing this close to the intersection is

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.800
hazardous Park on Ros of a parade Clos

00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.559
to the section to the intersection

00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.559
should also be restricted to alleviate

00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.480
the situation as as Sue Has

00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.119
detailed there also two small unpruned

00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.360
trees shr within the nature strip along

00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.000
south side of BMA road again these also

00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.280
restrict the line of sight of drivers an

00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.000
initial simple Improvement would be to

00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.599
have Roots improv vegetation on the

00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.880
south side of BMA Road not just the high

00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.199
branches that GS toward of power lines

00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.360
but also the lower bushes that are close

00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.639
to the ground skur and driver's views

00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.079
thank

00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.239
you mayor I seek thank you Chris mayor I

00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.599
seek to move a suspend suspension of

00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.719
standing orders to allow up to two

00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:42.119
additional speakers 3 minutes each if

00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.760
they're here in the gallery to make a

00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.000
request to speak thank you mayor p a

00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.719
second may

00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:55.000
can all well point point of order may we

00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.480
 we've had no  indication from the

00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.039
councilor earlier this evening when

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:00.719
there was an opportunity to explain what

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.719
this is about and we have no idea who

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.039
these two speakers are that we're about

00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.960
to Grant  councilors are aware that we

00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.480
have 10 speakers on the list and we''re

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.519
been given a blank sheet of paper  M

00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.320
would you like me to have a moving

00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.199
[Music]

00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:25.400
speech mayor I  I do have just a quick

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.400
question in light of of  fairness and

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.400
transparency as well perhaps  if the

00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.480
governance team can clarify  the

00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:38.119
speakers that perhaps had registered but

00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:39.760
 were turned away because we had

00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.360
reached the

00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:45.719
minim  sorry the maxim 10 speaker

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.280
requirement  how would that be

00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.320
factored in if they're not here and

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.519
given the opportunity to speak as well I

00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.559
will also say to counselors that one of

00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.480
the speakers that was not able to speak

00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:57.639
has had their

00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.039
speech actually uploaded onto the portal

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.719
for you to read it was already

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.840
there both of them did have their

00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:08.639
speeches

00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.559
uploaded so you have heard what they

00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.719
were going to say but it's in written

00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.440
form we go to the

00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.320
V yep all right so we will go to a vote

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:26.119
of whether or not point of order may I

00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:27.719
have been advised by governance that we

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.599
need to go to a vote I have it stated

00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.440
that the two speeches that were not 

00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.800
able to be given in the chamber actually

00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.480
are available in written form but since

00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.519
there was a mover and a

00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.480
seconder speak I'm still raising a point

00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.280
of order mayor point of order yes well

00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.199
sorry we have a motion for two speakers

00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.400
and we have no idea who the two speakers

00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.639
are there supposition I think that it's

00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.760
the two that were excluded but that's

00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.360
not the motion before

00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.119
us mayor I believe Council de support

00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.679
said up could we  actually not have

00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.679
people just talking out of turn 

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.800
governance will advise we do know the

00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:13.079
names of the two speakers who did not 

00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.400
make the list of the 10 we can ask if

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.159
they are present in the chamber but

00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.440
given that they speech has been supplied

00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.000
 they may not wish to speak could we

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.639
ask governance to name them please I

00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.079
haven't got the names in front of me

00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.679
through you mayor the two  that were

00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.039
reached after to the maxim were Aldo

00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.840
and

00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.559
Ron are either Aldo or Ron present and

00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.440
would either of you wish to come up and

00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.320
read your speech or you're happy that

00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.599
the councilors have been given a

00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.760
copy he wants to read it then

00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.639
please just let him are we voting on the

00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.760
susp vention or meral discretion May

00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.679
I'll allow Aldo to come up and read his

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.679
speech but councilors you do have a copy

00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.000
of

00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.480
this  white hols council members  my

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.840
name is Aldo Celli I'm a parent from

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.119
Antonio Park Primary School my family

00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.920
has lived in Simpson Reserve area for

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.320
over 15 years and when our eldest son

00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.000
was about to start school we chose a

00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:24.679
school that didn't recall him Crossing

00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:26.920
white hor Road mainly as we knew how

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.719
dangerous wless road was to cross for

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.800
small children and how little parking

00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.480
there is for parents we now  we move

00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.880
moved our now son of 19 years old to

00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.440
Antonio Park when he was in year two as

00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.199
the following year our daughter started

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.800
prep when she was in year1 she was

00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.559
crossing on The Pedestrian Crossing with

00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.119
her friends mom and her friend and her

00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.280
friend got hit using this Crossing

00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.880
luckily she was only shaken up late last

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.000
year our son wanted to start walking to

00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.360
school it was in our conditions that he

00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.800
cross at The Pedestrian cring with a

00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:02.159
supervisor has we thought it may be less

00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.519
dangerous on the 16th of October last

00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.480
year I came home at 400 p.m. to find my

00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.800
son Braden who looked horrified and

00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.880
scared and said I nearly got hit by a

00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.119
car Braden was using the pedestrian

00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.119
Crossing on Whitehorse Road the traffic

00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:17.960
light was red and the crossing person

00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:19.639
walked out of meter and blew her whistle

00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.239
for the kids to cross the road the car

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.840
didn't see  the car didn't see the red

00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:26.559
light or the crossing lady it came

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.239
Within with in centimeters knocking

00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.840
knocking down my child this incident has

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.119
impacted my son mentally and emotionally

00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:34.920
and has taken him months to feel like

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.400
okay about walking to school with his

00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.119
friends again both my wife and I work

00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.880
full-time like many parents and I need

00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.960
to leave work early to pick him up every

00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.639
day fighting for a small amount of

00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.039
parking available local communities

00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.880
schools and Council says walk to school

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.559
as there is no parking and it's better

00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.639
for the kids when we walk to and from

00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.440
school we feel unsafe

00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.519
as a family we leave Antonio park at the

00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.519
end of this year although we will never

00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:03.719
forgive ourselves to not pushing for

00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:05.880
safety for small children the near

00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.239
misses are warning signs for fatality

00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.760
waiting to happen thank

00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.159
you thank you

00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.559
Aldo the other speaker was Ron Frederick

00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.239
I'm assing he is not present in the

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.079
gallery councilors you do have a copy of

00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.920
Mr Frederick

00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.760
 submission that he would have spoken

00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:40.159
to that now takes us to public question

00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.880
time we have received public questions

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.880
from four submitters this

00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.360
evening the first two questions are from

00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.480
Graham Stone a member of Whitehorse

00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.360
active transport Action Group these

00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.440
questions will be read out by Lisa letic

00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.280
director Community Services

00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.679
I now call Lisa to the

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.320
lecturn thank you mayor question one the

00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.559
explanatory letter stated that the White

00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.559
Horse Open Space strategy identified

00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.480
areas where paths would add value to

00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.239
access open space a link through

00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.199
Spotlight site was identified as being

00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.039
an option to provide a connection to The

00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.880
Gardener's corek Trail however other

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.440
opportunities were identified that were

00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.159
considered to better to achieve

00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.440
objectives of the Open Space strategy in

00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:27.840
Prov ing suitable links through the

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.559
garders creek

00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.960
trail from our local knowledge and a

00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.559
search of both versions of the Open

00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.239
Space strategy we find it impossible to

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.800
find any other opportunities that

00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.280
provide the function of the spotlight

00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.599
connection can you please alert us to

00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.599
the detail in the openpose strategy 2007

00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:45.920
and the draft

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.320
2024 about the other opportunities which

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.159
were identified that provide better more

00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:51.679
suitable links through the gardener

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.079
Creek

00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.039
trial and the response is that this

00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:57.920
question will be taken on notice and an

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.679
answer will be provided directly to the

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.199
submitter the second question is Council

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.079
Express concerned that the site

00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.199
owner/manager could at their discretion

00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.920
close the gate to the trail outside shop

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.519
operating hours all

00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.039
permanently I reflect that in August

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.000
2022 spotlights asset manager Anthony

00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.400
tronte himself offered a design

00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.199
suggestion as to how Council might build

00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.719
a ramp for DDA access from Gardener

00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.199
Creek Trail into the spotlight complex

00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:32.800
given this Express support from

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:34.719
Spotlight could Council please reach an

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.000
agreement that the access be kept open

00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.880
permanently or for retail hours and

00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.320
therefore expedite this

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.360
project the response is that this

00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:45.920
question will also be taken on notice

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.360
and an answer will be provided directly

00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.840
to the submitter thank

00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.880
you thank you Lisa the remaining

00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.400
questions from the following submission

00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.000
Kathleen Cmings Darren ludwicki and

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.119
Kevin ear will be read out by Jeff Green

00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.599
Director City development I now call

00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.199
Jeff to the lecton to read out the

00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.639
questions and responses thank you mayor

00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:10.920
the first two questions are from

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.639
Kathleen Cmings from the Whitehorse

00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:14.800
rate payers and residents

00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.000
Association question one how is Council

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:18.880
going to comply with Premier jint

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.760
Allen's proposal to build 79,000 new

00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.159
homes in Whitehorse given there are

00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.239
currently only 74,000 homes

00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.519
added problems are traffic parking

00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.280
ability of current water pipes and

00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.000
serage Disposal to cope Etc through your

00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:36.440
mayor the Department of Transport and

00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.679
planning advised councils of dra draft

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.320
housing Targets in mid June the state

00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.960
government then met with councils after

00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.360
the release of the targets and are

00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.320
seeking input from councils and the

00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.079
community as to whether there is support

00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:49.440
for the draft

00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.360
targets Council will consider a

00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.280
submission responding to both the new

00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.599
plan for Victoria and draft housing

00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.360
Targets in August

00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.960
2024 noting that both are in the early

00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.360
phase of development by the state

00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.559
government Council agrees that adequate

00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.320
infrastructure delivery is required to

00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.119
accompany housing growth and will

00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.880
continue to advocate for this council's

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.920
role is to provide adequate capacity for

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.880
housing growth which has previously been

00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.480
identified through our housing

00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.960
strategy question two how many vacant

00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:22.679
properties are there in Whitehorse and

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.440
how many of these are owned by people

00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.639
living overseas

00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.360
through your May unfortunately council

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.760
is unable to provide the number of

00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.360
vacant properties in Whitehorse or

00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.119
whether they are owned by people living

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.519
overseas due to a number of reasons

00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.559
including Council does not hold

00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.480
information on whether a property is

00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:43.239
vacant or owned by a person living

00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.440
overseas as there is no requirement for

00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.000
this information to be provided to

00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.079
council for rating

00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.280
purposes it would also be impossible to

00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.000
get information from real estate agents

00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.840
managing rental properties and for those

00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.400
that are not through estate agents

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.800
Council would not be able to identify or

00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.079
determine whether a property is vacant

00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.159
or owned by people living

00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.880
overseas an absentee owner doesn't

00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.920
indicate to council whether the property

00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.840
is rented or not rented or even occupied

00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.719
by someone not paying rent investment

00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:17.679
properties frequently become vacant and

00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.920
then rented again this information is

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.800
not provided to

00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.800
council the next two questions May are

00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:27.000
from Darren

00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.039
ludwicki or bwood east question one does

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:32.960
the Whitehorse city council consider that

00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.519
their engagement with residents is

00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:36.920
Meaningful and fair when a recent

00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.800
parking proposal at Old bwood Road which

00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.440
consisted of two options that both

00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.440
appeared to give extra parking

00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.679
opportunities to a local business at the

00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.480
expense of local residents resulted in a

00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.480
parking proposal that was supported by

00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.119
two residents from a street of 12

00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.440
residents eight of the 12 residents did

00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:57.719
not participate in the survey because

00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.119
the parking proposals appeared

00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.320
biased through your May the parking

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.000
strategy for Old bwood Road is

00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.280
considered to be satisfactory based on

00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.559
the community engagement and feedback

00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:10.800
from residents in the

00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.760
street question two can we expect

00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.079
similar parking proposals in the future

00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:17.880
where local residents are restricted

00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.480
from parking in front of their own

00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.679
properties due to more local business

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.519
being introduced in the city of White

00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.400
Horse through your May Park proposals

00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.079
within the municipality are considered

00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.840
on a caseby casee basis depending on the

00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.599
local Street the specific location

00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:36.880
nearby land uses and the parking needs

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.519
of residents and The Wider

00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.320
community may the next questions are

00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.679
from Mr Kevin Earl of

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.159
boxill question one what is happening

00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:49.880
with the Suburban R lip Authority with

00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.960
Court Street and watch Street open space

00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.800
Council left this in the officer's hands

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.719
to discuss has the srla come back with a

00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.159
better offer are they acquiring the

00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.199
properties through you may as per item

00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.280
10.9 on tonight's agenda it is proposed

00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.719
that the srla fund the design and

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.400
conversion of Court Street and Watt

00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.360
Street into permanent public open space

00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.000
the land will remain in Council

00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.760
ownership question two with Council

00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:20.480
unable to provide services to its

00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.679
residents last Friday what has the

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.159
council available if this outage goes

00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.039
longer than a couple of days

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.920
as has happened in the past through your

00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:31.599
mayor like many other organizations

00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.440
worldwide Council experienced some

00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.519
impacts to ex te technology and systems

00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.599
due to the global cyber outage which

00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.239
occurred last Friday afternoon this had

00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:42.800
some minor disruption to council

00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.079
Services which have now been resolved

00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:46.920
there may still be some continued impact

00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.159
with our third party vendors and

00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.559
providers but at this stage this seems

00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:53.719
unlikely after being made aware of the

00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.320
issue Council immediately took the

00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:56.760
necessary precaution

00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.559
to minimize the impact to the White

00:54:58.639 --> 00:54:59.320
Horse

00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.679
Community Council has an established

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.800
practice of robust monitoring of

00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:05.519
Enterprise architecture and cyber

00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.079
security measures Council regularly

00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:09.960
reviews its business continuity plans

00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:11.840
which are enacted in the event of a

00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.840
service disruption or if an out

00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.360
persists these business continuity plans

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.119
enable Council officers to adopt

00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.840
alternative procedures to continue to

00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.400
provide a service to the community and

00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.000
every effort is made to have as little

00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:29.760
imp on the community as possible thank

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.840
you mayor thank you

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.840
Jeff that now takes us to item eight

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.559
petitions and there were no petitions

00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.280
submitting submitted this evening within

00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.039
the  time frame to be considered at

00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.320
this

00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.760
meeting we now move to item nine notices

00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.440
of motion

00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.960
we have one notice of motion item 9.1

00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.800
pedestrian safety around Antonio Park

00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.639
primary school councilor

00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.880
State thank you I

00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.559
move is there a second yes mayam thank

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.760
you Council

00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.880
stet thank you mayor  councilors I

00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.199
don't often raise no as a motion but

00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.320
when I do it's important today I present

00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.239
a motion of Paramount importance

00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.800
concerning the safety of our community's

00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.920
children and their families as many of

00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.719
you know I work as a teacher at a

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.440
primary school and feel particularly

00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.559
passionate about this issue I know and

00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.159
have personally felt the impact even in

00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.639
E MIT has on our school communities let

00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.519
alone a ferality every day hundreds of

00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:54.880
children parents and their families

00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.440
navigate the busy man roads around

00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.039
Antonio Park Primary School the current

00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.360
conditions pose significant risks with

00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:05.119
heavy traffic and limited parking EXA

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.840
exacerbating the problem it is our moral

00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:09.920
duty to do all we can to ensure their

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.159
safety and wellbeing the stretch of the

00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:13.719
Road near the intersection of White

00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:15.519
Horse Road and Deep Creek Road is

00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.039
particularly concerning along White

00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.760
Horse Road there are two Service Roads a

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:21.800
slip line and three lines going each

00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.639
East and West totaling 10 lanes only two

00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.440
of these 10 lines are permanently 40

00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.480
kmph zones Deep Creek Road does not have

00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.760
a speed reduction as Whitehorse Road

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.480
does to 60 during school times while

00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:37.199
Whitehorse Road has flashing lights

00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:38.880
approaching The Pedestrian Crossing

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:40.960
there are none across the Service Roads

00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:42.840
during school times the speed drops to

00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.519
from 80 to 60 but still too fast despite

00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:48.480
these measures there are regular reports

00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.239
of near misses most of the potential

00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.320
safety improvements are likely to be

00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.440
responsibilities of the state government

00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.000
however we have an advocacy role in my

00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.760
notice emotions I have have listed a

00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.800
number of potential improvements that

00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.239
have been suggested by school and The

00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:07.360
Wider

00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.239
Community the construction of a

00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.840
pedestrian overpass would provide a safe

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.760
passage for CH for children free from

00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.000
the dangers of crossing a busy road

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.119
additionally reducing speed limits to 40

00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.880
km an hour during school times at deak

00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.679
prak Road and Whitehorse Road would

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.559
significantly decrease the likelihood of

00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:26.760
accidents

00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.880
optimizing the traffic light sequencing

00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.920
on White House Road outside the school

00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:32.679
might create safer Crossing

00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.920
opportunities enhancing the visibility

00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.039
of the keep clear line marking west of

00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.440
the intersection of Whitehorse Road and

00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.280
Deep Creek Road is essential for

00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:42.840
preventing bottlenecks in improving

00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.280
traffic flows and lastly the in

00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.320
installation of traffic safety cameras

00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.719
may may not over time serve as a

00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.239
deterent to reckless driving ensuring

00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.760
greater compliance with traffic

00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:55.639
regulations in the school and these

00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.079
suggest are just suggestions they're not

00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.800
don't preclude other Solutions in

00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.360
addition being found I note that it's

00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:04.960
not only the school Community calling

00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:06.960
for improvements have you if you've

00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.360
heard tonight and also Nick mcau MP is

00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.320
currently calling for safety

00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.280
improvements this isn't just about

00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.159
protecting students but also ensuring

00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:18.840
the safety of parents grandparents and

00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.840
siblings there are also matters that

00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.159
fall into council's responsibility

00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.639
that's why I'm calling on Council to

00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.800
consider a detail parking assessment

00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.559
undertaking a comprehensive parking

00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:30.159
assessment during pickup and drop off

00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.960
times is crucial to identify areas where

00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.000
parking restrictions can be modified to

00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.199
increase parking opportunities by doing

00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.559
so we can alleviate the congestion and

00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.239
create a safer environment for both

00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.800
pedestrians and drivers I also believe

00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:45.800
it's essential we engage in a dialogue

00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:47.760
with a school something this motion

00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.840
calls for I believe in giving a say to

00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.119
people on matters that affect them their

00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.079
insights and their priorities for safety

00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.280
improvements are in valuable they are on

00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.679
the front lines and have a firsthand

00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.920
understanding of the specific challenges

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.400
and the potential solutions that can

01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.719
make a real difference councilors

01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.360
although this motion is simply calling

01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.840
for a report at this stage it's an

01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.960
important first step to signaling our

01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.039
commitment to safeguarding our children

01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.000
in ensuring that their journey to and

01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.239
from school is as safe as possible let

01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:22.239
us do what we can to allow our kids and

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.840
families to get to school safely

01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:26.599
especially those wanting to use active

01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.519
transport to do so I urge all council

01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.199
members to support this motion take and

01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.840
take a decisive step towards creating a

01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.159
safer environment around Antonio Park

01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.320
Primary School and our community let's

01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.679
not wait for the near misses the warning

01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:46.760
signs to become a fatality waiting to

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.119
happen thank you councilor state

01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.239
councelor cuts yes thank you very much

01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.280
mayor well first of all I'd like to

01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.400
thank very much our three speakers the

01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.159
principal of Antonio par Carly Jones the

01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:01.000
calian vice president of the parents

01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:03.719
Association and Aldo cerelli who's here

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.440
on behalf of his son  a year five

01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.320
student who was almost run over last

01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:10.960
year so I'd like to thank you very much

01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.079
for coming and I know it's a big deal to

01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.599
turn up  at a council meeting but it's

01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.320
very important and just looking at point

01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:18.840
three there're the ideas and priorities

01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:20.239
for safety improvement from the

01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.079
leadership team at Antonio Park well we

01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.159
can't get higher than the principal so

01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:25.599
we've already got that connection here

01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.159
so I think that's fantastic  I've

01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:29.679
worked with Council Stenner on this

01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.360
notice of motion as many of you would

01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.559
know  had input into the wording and

01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:36.679
 we've been working on this since late

01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.400
last year and in fact it was on the 16th

01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.960
of February 23 last year when I met with

01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.440
 Ki Jones principal and I think

01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:45.880
Michael is the name of the president of

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.559
the parents Association last year  who

01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:50.960
was actually a parent of my son's buddy

01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:53.039
because my son actually attended Antonio

01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.639
park for 3 years so his his son was my

01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:58.800
impr prep my son was in year six so

01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.559
Michael was the president then  and

01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:03.840
then we move on to the 16th of October

01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.400
last year with this this  Dreadful

01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.880
incident which has obviously affect 

01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.920
Braden and it's obviously affect the

01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.519
whole Community I can say it's also

01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.000
affected everyone who's on the Mitch

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.039
resident Facebook page as well because

01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.000
it's gone through there and everyone's

01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:20.320
really horrified with this what we want

01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.119
is the speed limit to drop from 8 80 to

01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.320
60 which it does but I don't believe

01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.079
there's another Road in Whitehorse

01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.079
around a school that has a speed limit

01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.199
of 60 this is the issue this is the

01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.880
issue yes we need ultimately we want an

01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:36.360
overpass like they have at St John's and

01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:38.800
at Blackburn primary and yes my son also

01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.280
attended Blackburn primary too so why is

01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:43.239
his life more important at Blackburn

01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.039
with an overpass and a 40 kilm Zone than

01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.800
it is at Antonio Park no overpass and 60

01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:50.760
km an hour I think these are the things

01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.679
we need to look at counselors looking at

01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.440
a detailed parking assessment to get

01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:55.960
more cars off the road is really

01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.960
important and all of those other things

01:02:58.039 --> 01:02:59.760
up there that we've been advocating to

01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.119
the state government these are out of

01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:03.440
council's control but we have a

01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.519
responsibility to Advocate strongly Nick

01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.719
McOwen is listening the member for

01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:10.679
northeast region he's listening he's

01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.840
done some posts on this and we are

01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.320
standing with Nick on this issue and I

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.199
hope counselors that you stand with us

01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.519
on this issue too thank you

01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.400
mayor are there any further

01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.840
speakers yes May councelor Skilbeck

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.920
mayor and counselors I doubt there's any

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.199
disagreement about the need to improve

01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.400
pedestrian safety around Antonio park

01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.639
and if we were somehow just voting on

01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.440
the question of does Antonio Park need

01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.079
attention I expect we'd have unanimity

01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.400
and I wouldn't speak at all however that

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.039
is not what we're voting on councilors

01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:52.199
and the question is who attention and

01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.760
what can they feasibly do there are many

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:57.360
schools and preschools in Whitehorse

01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.440
where we advocate for improvements to

01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.559
the school Precinct or to interventions

01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.239
on arterial roads where community and

01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.239
Council are concerned about safety and

01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.199
traffic management Antonio Park may very

01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.239
well be near or even at the top of the

01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.719
list but it's not a notice of motion

01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.440
that makes the difference councilors

01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.719
what makes the difference is Department

01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.639
of Transport and planning stances and

01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.239
sometimes U Member of Parliament

01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:26.159
involvement I have a Kinder on bwood

01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.760
Highway in my ward where in 2023 there

01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.519
was months of rounds of quiet

01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.639
negotiation directed through the

01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:37.039
specific actions of MP Matt Freon around

01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:38.760
anything we could do to address the

01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.920
conundr of a preschool right on a six

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.400
Lane major arterial with an 80k speed

01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.679
limit the idea of reducing bwood highway

01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.639
speed couldn't fly the idea of Greater

01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:53.800
indentation of parking Bays on bwood

01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.840
Highway couldn't fly either there was no

01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:57.800
other

01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.920
intervention particularly based on the

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.079
expense that was possible I didn't bring

01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.039
a notice of motion or otherwise ask

01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.320
officers to produce a report because

01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.880
possible answers had already been fully

01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:12.519
explored in the right channels and here

01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:16.159
lies my major problem even if part one

01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.119
can get us some answers in relation to

01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:22.639
what seem to be the key concerns here of

01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:24.559
an overpass and of Whitehorse Road

01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.320
speed reduction

01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.000
even if we can get clear answers on

01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:30.760
those matters Parts two and three

01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.679
counselors require substantial officer

01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.239
time Way Beyond the time already spent

01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.159
in general monitoring of issues around

01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.480
schools including Antonio Park and it's

01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.320
office a time that is unfortunately only

01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.119
likely to be able to deliver small

01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.599
improvements councilors I want us to

01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:52.679
relentlessly rep prioritize what's most

01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.199
important for officer attention and not

01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.039
pretend that we have the resources to do

01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.519
everything that we would like to do the

01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.280
Antonio Park situation is absolutely a

01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.440
worthwhile cause but that doesn't mean

01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:09.639
May that I Can Vote for This n thank

01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.679
you thank you councelor Skilbeck are

01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.480
there any further speakers councelor Car

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:22.239
 thank you Madame mayor  I'm sorry

01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.199
councelor Skilbeck but

01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.000
I I I won't say I totally disagree with

01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.400
you but I I do somewhat disagree with

01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:33.199
your opinion  we can make a difference

01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:36.000
 we can't put an overpass over the

01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.119
rain road we can't authorize the speed

01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.480
limit to come down to 40 but we can make

01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.880
a noise and that's what we as a counsel

01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.639
as a as as a council organization as a

01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.280
responsible organization that's what we

01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:54.119
need to do together with Nick mcgaan

01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.119
together with his mates together with

01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.000
everyone in the gallery together with

01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.480
every parent and every child who attend

01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.360
Antonio Park Primary School we can make

01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.239
a noise and that's what we need to do

01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.440
and that is where we will get

01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:12.400
results we've got a a a a state election

01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.760
not too far away  we'll make a noise

01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.800
we can get this if we really

01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.559
really flood their inbox and keep doing

01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:25.760
it keep doing it and we need to Stomp up

01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.639
and down and say this must happen not it

01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.760
should happen it must happen for the

01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.079
safety of I think they said almost 500

01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.360
students that makes roughly what 800,000

01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.039
parents plus the teachers plus the local

01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:42.440
community plus even the elderly that

01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:43.960
cross cross this

01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.719
road we've got to make a noise we have

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:50.000
no choice you cannot put a price on

01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.440
safety and especially child safety you

01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:55.920
cannot they are our future

01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.280
and I won't do anything to jeopardize

01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.920
anybody's future thank

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.960
you thank you councelor

01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:11.039
car are there any further

01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.199
speakers if there are no further

01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.079
speakers I have confirmed with

01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.680
governance it would be possible to put

01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.239
this in part so you could vote for one

01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.199
and then for two and then for three

01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.520
I hear  counselor Skilbeck

01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.399
showing

01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.720
some some focus on positives but also

01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:38.319
some concerns and perhaps separating it

01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.399
into three parts may help councilors

01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.880
make their

01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:50.199
decision right of reply Council Senate

01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.479
 thank you mayor  well I guess the

01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.960
first step towards failure is trying

01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.880
 what what's the point really  you

01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:02.079
know it's not worth our time  not

01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:04.399
worth Council looking into something not

01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:07.479
worth  advocating on behalf of an

01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.359
important issue you know  it's a

01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.880
worthwhile cause I heard counselor

01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.760
skillwork said but  apparently not

01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.520
worthwhile enough to spend a few hours

01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.840
 of our Council officer time doing an

01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.319
assessment  something with within our

01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.000
responsibilities is cor responsibilities

01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.319
around traffic and parking on local

01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:33.439
streets but it's too hard  too hard to

01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:37.079
Advocate  alongside  Nick McGaw or

01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:39.319
or others the school that are advocating

01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.439
to the state government as well just

01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.199
it's too hard Why Try why bother because

01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.399
we might not be

01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.600
successful but we might be successful

01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:51.640
even if we're

01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.800
not I go back to a moral responsibility

01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:58.439
to do all we can I don't want to

01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:01.720
be here having the opportunity we are

01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:03.880
counselors this is white all Council we

01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.720
have we do have some influence here to

01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.560
to sit here with influence that we have

01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:12.560
and do nothing when we could do

01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.960
something just because if we do

01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:16.720
something it might not

01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:18.960
work

01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:22.399
counselors we need to do this we need to

01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:24.439
call for this  we need to have this

01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.159
information Ava ailable to to then go

01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.640
forward and make a decision about how to

01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.279
Advocate on behalf of our

01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.479
[Music]

01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.039
community thank you councilor

01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:41.319
stenard  as there's been no formal

01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.960
request for it to be put in

01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:49.560
Parts I will put the motion as a whole

01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:54.359
motion all those in favor

01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.239
councelor mcneel councelor stennet

01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.479
councelor Monroe councelor Barker

01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.520
councelor massud councelor Davenport

01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.960
councelor Leu councelor Lane councelor

01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.960
car councelor cuts those against

01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:14.359
councilor Skilbeck

01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:19.000
the motion is carried

01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.680
[Music]

01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.239
right we now move to item 10 which are

01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:43.960
the council

01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:50.039
reports item 10.1 is 26 to 28 Wellington

01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:53.880
Road Box Hill the use and development of

01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:55.920
the land as a medical CER Center food

01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.399
and drink premise and Commercial car

01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.039
park and reduction in car parking I seek

01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.039
a mover delighted to move with small

01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:04.720
Amendment

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.399
May thank you Council

01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:11.720
Barker  you said with an

01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.199
amendment yeah just  removing the

01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:18.479
sustain SNP within condition

01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.720
seven all right councilors councelor

01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:24.439
Barker is moving the motion with the

01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:29.760
removal of the sustainability management

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.680
plan and there will be a ring of the

01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:35.039
subsequent item numbers it is quite a

01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.880
substantial block of text so it's not

01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:41.520
possible to show it all up on the

01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.039
screen is there a

01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:48.920
seconder yes ma'am councelor

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.560
Davenport councilor Barker I don't me to

01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:53.760
brief briefly introduce it Madame before

01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:55.840
I start my speech oh

01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.439
well I think I'll give AEF Inu Madam May

01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.680
26 to 28 Willington road is an

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.560
application 20211 189 for 19 story

01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.840
Medical Center food and drink Cafe and a

01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:10.000
commercial car park in a five-story

01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.520
[Music]

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.439
basement thank you Council

01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.159
Bara you may go ahead you may  rather

01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:22.399
imaginatively and colloquially known as

01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.720
Wellington Health number two after

01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.439
Welling lton Health number one next door

01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.520
is a 20 story which is the 21 story

01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.199
building may I want this I want this

01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:35.119
building to be built so let's get

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.439
straight to the merits it's a beautiful

01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:39.840
building the same developer spent $8

01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:41.840
million Landscaping the facade of

01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:44.800
Wellington 1 a building that attracts

01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.680
people buildings that reflect our

01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.319
beloved green leafy near neighborhood

01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:50.960
buildings that reflect the natural

01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.159
environment exuberance and life because

01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:58.359
attract people and I congratulate the

01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:00.920
developer Fender cater lades and the

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:03.760
advocate for carefully listening to this

01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.319
chamber it fits perfectly with our

01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.479
Precinct Vision in the local planning

01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.880
scheme and it fits perfectly with the

01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.800
state strategic planning framework which

01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.359
I note May envisages for the major

01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:19.760
activity centers to be offering enhanced

01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:21.960
services for near

01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:24.479
communities this offers Health it offers

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:25.560
access to

01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:27.399
doctors and health professionals and

01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:29.800
psychologists and physiotherapists and

01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:31.840
mammograms and Radiologists and

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.319
pediatric psyches and Cardiology it

01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.079
offers jobs well-paid jobs and lots of

01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:39.640
them for people in my community the

01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.119
development offers 150 car Parks over

01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.399
five levels it is a significant

01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.439
reduction but if we force to in force

01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.199
the parking overlay and excuse my voice

01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.840
we' have 15 levels of basement it's not

01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:54.600
economically inv viable and it cost us

01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.840
20 cost the developer another 25 million

01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:59.520
to build it never get

01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.760
built we're building the best health

01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.920
Precinct outside the central business

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:07.560
district this business offers symbolic

01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:09.640
and conglomeration benefits there's no

01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:11.199
more driving to the rural children's

01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.920
hospital to see a kids surgeon or Mel

01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.479
Royal Melbourne to see Grandpa's

01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.600
gerontologist this is the sort of thing

01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:21.800
that contributes to the precinct that

01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.039
attracts the medical technology

01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:25.279
companies that support support the

01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:27.760
doctors support the Radiologists that

01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.319
support the cardiologist it all works as

01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.920
one thriving

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.880
organism and I say you know some people

01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.720
here want to leave a legacy and I say

01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.680
let that be that you were part of the

01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.359
Revolution that made boxill the capital

01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.960
of Health in Victoria now my Amendment

01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.079
simplifies the application by removing

01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:51.960
some of the uranous estd requirements we

01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:54.920
typically apply why because the building

01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.520
will be built above the latest

01:15:57.600 --> 01:15:59.439
Australian standards under austr

01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.640
Australian building codes because a

01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.359
developer will want to lease it to state

01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:04.800
government Health Services as they've

01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:08.039
done with Wellington 1 and they demand

01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.479
that extraneous conditions just

01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.600
complicate things and risk the viability

01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.159
and make things more expensive they'll

01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:16.960
want their six-star if they want to wrap

01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:20.039
this into a real estate rate let's let

01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.479
them get on with it and Fender cats eles

01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:24.239
and their Consultants figure out how to

01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:26.720
do it escalating costs of building

01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.880
Finance nearly killed number one they

01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.000
say I was shocked when a developer came

01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:35.600
back to us after we approved 145 tow

01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:38.159
houses and a particularly well-meaning

01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.680
condition would have had catastrophic

01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.479
effects on that entire

01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:46.159
project we shouldn't build risk we

01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.600
should minimize it this process this

01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.840
project has all of the merits it offers

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.800
a wonderful outcome for our city and our

01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:56.439
people give them the permit and no

01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.640
excuse for not getting on with it please

01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.720
counselor support

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:05.960
this councelor Davenport well  thank

01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:08.840
you mayor and  and I agree with the

01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:10.399
sentiments that have been raised by

01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:12.960
councilor Barka this particular facility

01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:16.520
within  within boxill perfectly fits

01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.039
our vision of a medical Precinct it

01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.600
overlays also with the Suburban Ral Loop

01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.880
  draft ideas that they've put out

01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.680
in terms of the overall plan for the

01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.199
city of box  the the boxill suburb and

01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.600
the areas around the Suburban ra

01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:36.039
loop I agree with Council Barker's

01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.399
commentary on  on sustainability

01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.960
conditions that are over and above 

01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:45.199
that's required by building code my

01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.239
personal view is when you put a

01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:49.720
curtailed limit on how many hours a

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:51.840
building can operate as a a medical

01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:54.159
center in this case we're only allowing

01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.079
60 hours a week of a fully operational

01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:00.920
building we shouldn't then come past and

01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.399
then add additional over the top type of

01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.640
sustainability initiatives if the

01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:10.399
building was operating 247 I would say

01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:12.119
perhaps there's a further argent

01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:13.680
because of its level of

01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:15.920
use but counselors when you have a look

01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.880
at the building itself condition 14a

01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.680
says 7 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday to

01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:24.560
Saturday should say sorry 72 hourss 

01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:28.520
  66 hour hang on I got to count it

01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:35.399
again 6 * 12 is 72 thank you 72 hours a

01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:37.560
week so when you think about the

01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:40.720
sustainability impacts  mayor and

01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.800
counselors there's zero  people there

01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.560
for appointments between 700 p.m. and 7:

01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:48.720
a.m. every

01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:51.399
day you don't need double glazed windows

01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:53.640
for nighttime when there's no one in the

01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:59.359
building you don't need   the the

01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:01.239
glazing you don't need all those

01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:04.319
additional items when your building's

01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:05.720
not going to be

01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.319
operational point of order just  for

01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:10.840
your reference my understanding of the

01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:12.319
the National Construction code is that

01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:14.000
the building does need to be double

01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:15.960
insulated even if it doesn't even if

01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:17.279
there's no one going to be there so I

01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:19.479
just make that I than thank you I I'll

01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:21.039
stand corrected your knowledge of the

01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.399
building code is  much better than my

01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:26.279
own Council Barker so I'll withdraw my

01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.119
remark the building code as what council

01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.399
Barker has mentioned is already quite

01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:33.760
substantial in terms of additional

01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:35.439
initiatives that's

01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:37.560
required and that's put together by a

01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.000
number of experts May and we shouldn't

01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:43.479
be adding additional requirements on the

01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.560
top I know as in this place we've talked

01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:48.680
about additional ESD measures and we've

01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:50.560
worked with other councils to try and

01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.720
get planning scheme amendments that have

01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.800
been changed but they haven't curred May

01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:57.520
and we shouldn't be going alone on this

01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:59.520
one we should apply the rules that are

01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:04.439
in place and approve  The

01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.760
Proposal subject to the change that

01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.279
Council Barker has outlined thank you

01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:13.640
mayor ma'am thank you Council dport

01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:15.760
councilor Monroe I would like to move an

01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.680
amendment that section 7 be

01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.079
reinstated point of order mayor that's

01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:23.920
that's completely opposite that's an

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.119
alternate

01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.439
May point of order it's not an alternate

01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.800
mayor it doesn't change the approval of

01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.199
the

01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:35.399
development I have agreement from

01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.199
governance it is an amendment do you

01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:41.159
have a I'll second there seconded by

01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.319
Council Lane  is that Amendment

01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.079
accepted by the Mover and

01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.159
seconder all right I go to councilor

01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:53.920
Monroe to speak to the amendment well

01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:55.359
mayor i' has a guess that it wouldn't

01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:57.560
have been acceptable because that is 

01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.439
contrary to the officers report before

01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:04.079
us  so the officers report  has

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:06.039
sustainability section 7 and there's a

01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:09.000
fair bit in that  and I think my

01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.920
Council colleagues  are arguing that

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:14.680
many or all of those things are included

01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:15.920
in the building codes and there's no

01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.199
need for any of this extra provision

01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:20.119
well if that's the case if that is what

01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:22.399
they are arguing well there's no problem

01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:25.000
with it being there  I guess what it's

01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.119
saying to our community is that we have

01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:30.800
a set of standards that we  are

01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.560
encouraging in developments in terms of

01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:35.720
our sustainability credentials and we've

01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:37.279
often had this chamber filled with

01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:41.159
people  making sure that we we live up

01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:44.520
to  our  commitments and pledges in

01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.600
terms of environmental sustainability so

01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:49.960
the first item is item one and it's

01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:51.159
quite complex and not everyone's

01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:53.720
probably aware the technical detail but

01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.439
it's the best Report with an acceptable

01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.279
overall score  which relates to the

01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:01.840
efficiency of the building the interior

01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:03.960
the indoor environment quality and it

01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:05.039
doesn't matter whether you're using the

01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:07.000
building at night or day the the

01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:09.640
liability or the usability or the

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.840
suitability of the environment  at any

01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.000
time of the day is important and that's

01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.159
to the satisfaction of the responsible

01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:18.600
Authority which is Council in this case

01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.359
 it calls for and I've just

01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:22.319
highlighted the dot points not the the

01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:24.119
details cuz the report actually goes

01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:25.720
into a fair amount of detail in each

01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:27.640
item integrated Water Management

01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.119
rainwater tanks water efficient fixtures

01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:32.239
now that's not hard to do the water

01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:35.439
efficient fixtures natural ventilation

01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.159
  to the building LED fittings

01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:40.399
energy efficient lighting Cooling and

01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:42.239
Hot Water Systems double glazing which

01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.319
was talked about glazing is also

01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:45.960
important during the day it's not just a

01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.000
nighttime thing  and the glazing

01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:51.920
actually has many benefits not  in

01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.960
terms of smer and winter  three % of

01:22:55.039 --> 01:22:56.560
the car parking space is fitted for

01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:58.079
electric vehicles something that's going

01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.319
to be an increasing Demand on our on our

01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:02.199
buildings and importantly a commitment

01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:04.720
to divert at least 80% of construction

01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.560
and demolition waste away from landfill

01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:09.760
and so there's a little bit more m in in

01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:11.199
the report there are a couple of key

01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.720
ones and to strip that out is going

01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.439
contrary to what our policies say that

01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:18.720
 we're encouraging developments to do

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:20.600
and if my colleagues say that it's part

01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:21.960
of the building code we don't need to

01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:23.479
worry about it well they don't need to

01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:25.279
worry about the off off's report being

01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:27.119
reinstated thank you

01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.159
mayor thank you councilor Monro May if I

01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.399
could just correct  misleading the

01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:35.159
chamber by councilor Monro is this a

01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.079
point of order Council yes it is me what

01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.960
is your point of order the council Monro

01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:41.760
ass say suggesting the best report this

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:43.880
is asking for a best report that exceeds

01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.039
the the 50% exceeds that Mark the past

01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:49.920
Mark's fine but that's that was not the

01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:51.760
the characterization that councel mro

01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:53.279
gave it i' asked that he withdraw thank

01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:54.920
you Council Barker I do do think that

01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.079
actually councelor Monroe mentioned a

01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.479
number of items so not just one  we'll

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.840
now go to councilor Lane thank you mayor

01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.800
councilors I'll keep this very brief we

01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:10.000
did hear from the applicant or a

01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:12.640
representa representative from the

01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.600
applicant and they commended the work

01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.039
that our officers put in and the ability

01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:20.159
to work with our officers to get a

01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:23.479
suitable outcome for this development

01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:26.279
and I think that spells voles for for

01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:30.399
our our staff and what they've done and

01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.640
the conditions are generally discussed

01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:34.680
with applicants as they go through to

01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:37.880
understand where it sits it's there it's

01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:39.960
reasonable we heard earlier it's

01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.399
reasonable it's a good outcome so let's

01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:46.079
leave the environmental stuff in it also

01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:49.119
sets a very bad precedent if we take

01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:51.239
this out we just build anything that

01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.439
doesn't really matter leave it in set

01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:56.680
some standards maintain our standards

01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:57.680
for our

01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.359
city thank you Council Lan are there any

01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.399
further speakers yes mayor councel Le

01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:08.079
thank you counselors I think we have a

01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.199
responsibility and the community has an

01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:12.159
expectation that we encourage

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.359
environmentally sustainable development

01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:16.279
particularly in large scale buildings

01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:17.439
such as this

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.439
one I think a lot of developers have now

01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:22.119
also Incorporated a number of

01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.399
environmentally sustainable measures and

01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:27.520
it's seen as best practice councils

01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.760
we've seen similar ESD Provisions in

01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.640
other similar large scale developments

01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.119
and as I

01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:38.159
recall I haven't heard counselors 

01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:41.199
raising the complete removal of the ESD

01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:42.479
Provisions

01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.279
previously from what I've read in the C

01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.000
Council report I would think that the

01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:50.319
conditions are standard and typically

01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:53.079
expected and anticipated in such a

01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.479
facility I note that the move councilor

01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:59.960
Barker mentioned a legacy councilors so

01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:01.439
I put this to

01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.960
you we as a council need to put a legacy

01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:08.720
forward to ensuring that we encourage

01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:10.880
and promote environmentally sustainable

01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.880
development across the board thank you

01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.399
councilor thank you councelor L speaking

01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:17.840
against the amendment

01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.319
May councilor Barker well thanks very

01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.680
much may  but let's go to the

01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:26.119
conditions as well meaning as they are

01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.239
but sadly they're sloppy and they

01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.840
impress me as the Mings of musings of a

01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.640
sort of University greens Club because

01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:35.119
they don't necessarily offer any

01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:36.199
measurable

01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:39.079
improvements in fact some argue I'd

01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:40.720
argue that some lower the current

01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.439
national construction code let's look at

01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:47.359
sky 1 had massive ESD targets to it but

01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.079
we got the high highly reflective

01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:53.359
glass that casts incredibly intrusive

01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.159
Reflections all over our city it's a

01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:57.760
many say it's a hideous building and it

01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.039
reflects people oh but it's got the

01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:02.800
right number of environmental Stars you

01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.439
see sometimes good

01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:07.479
intentions have unintended

01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.239
consequences the facade and strategy and

01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.359
reflectivity standards I pioneered and

01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:14.199
I'm proud of them let's go to some of

01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:15.800
the environmental standards that some

01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.239
are so proudly defending here one is

01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.000
about CO2 monitors in the car Parks now

01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:23.399
that's not an environmental standard

01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.239
that's a building habitability and

01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:26.760
survival standard that's in the building

01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.640
code it's a nonsense Council Barker I

01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:33.159
think you meant carbon monoxide not CO2

01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.039
just to clarify if you say so may now

01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:39.760
friending why are we why are we

01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.920
determining the type of paint people

01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.800
need my friends in construction say no

01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.119
one uses the high Vox stuff except in

01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:48.960
parder coding which is done in a a

01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:51.359
factory anyway now let's go to the EV

01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:53.600
charging which is one that we seem to

01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.840
like everyone seems to like now the

01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:58.520
National Construction code actually

01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:02.079
provides for 10% of Bill of car parks in

01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:03.840
office building like this to be fitted

01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:07.079
for but not with charging infrastructure

01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.960
we're mandating charging infrastructure

01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.600
be put in a a five level deep basement

01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:15.520
you've understood the fires some of us

01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:18.239
have done the research on it and you

01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:19.800
want to have that done so the National

01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.560
Construction code says in new

01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.000
residential buildings all need to be

01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.359
fitted for it not with it until the fire

01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.319
safety issues are realized because an

01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:31.439
electric vehicle fire on level five of

01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:34.399
this basement could be catastrophic and

01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:36.000
it could and we know what insurers are

01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.079
doing about it they won't give people

01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:39.760
fre insurance I don't want to make life

01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:41.840
difficult for this this developer this

01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.439
Builder now maybe they want to build

01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:47.359
their 12 charging the three charging

01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.039
stations might cost them half a million

01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:50.640
bucks here buried five levels

01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:52.479
underground maybe they want to put them

01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.600
in the car park that we've got just down

01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:58.119
the road it might be a far far better

01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:01.279
outcome so Madame mayor that's why

01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.520
sometimes we're applying conditions that

01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.039
are unnecessary they have unintended

01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:08.079
consequences and very often they have

01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:10.600
catastrophic consequences if that logic

01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:12.560
is right then of course it's these

01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:14.880
buildings are all going to be six-star

01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:17.520
anyway so why would we go

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.079
imposing standards that are already out

01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:21.720
of date because the standards we're

01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:23.239
applying aren't even in the National

01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:26.039
Construction code

01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:31.399
I noted councelor mcneel you tried to

01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:33.359
speak before you may speak

01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:36.319
next thank you mayor and counselors yes

01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:39.680
I would like to speak strongly in favor

01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:43.239
of the estd I I believe this is really

01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.279
this is really really important and 

01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:48.760
officers have done a really good job

01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.479
with the  setting the conditions very

01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:54.399
very detailed very specifically and in

01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.600
terms of  the  sustainability

01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:02.000
management plan things like water usage

01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.199
energy indoor environment settings

01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:08.000
people are in patience we're talking

01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:11.039
about let's think a moment now about the

01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:14.239
people that are going to be using this

01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:16.600
building every day they they are

01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:18.880
patients they are people some of them

01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:22.199
will be quite sick and to have the the

01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:26.760
standards especially  around  in the

01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.760
environment in in  indoor environment

01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:32.239
is really really important you know

01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:34.680
people with breathing issues people with

01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:37.399
heart issues these types of people

01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:38.760
they're the types of people that are

01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:40.439
going to be using this

01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.119
building they are they are the people we

01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:46.279
should be concerned about and so to me

01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:49.760
it is really important that the indoor

01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:53.640
environment settings are right and that

01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.359
they are included under our

01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.920
ESD we we passed our environment

01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.279
sustainability  standard here in

01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.359
Council point of order

01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:10.119
relevance you know councel Bara and the

01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:12.920
relevance is this to suggest our

01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.199
environmental sustainability standards

01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:17.199
impact the habitability of a building is

01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.920
a fiction and a nonsense these buildings

01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.079
whether we apply these standards or not

01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:24.720
will satisfy the 21st century best

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:29.439
National Building Cod coun B  that's

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:30.560
that's a

01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:34.800
speech that's I am just may I finish you

01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:36.600
your position has been heard clearly

01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.159
Council Baka but it is reasonable to

01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:42.680
allow Council McNeil to complete Her

01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.479
speech thank you  thank you Madame

01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:48.600
mayor that's terrific and as I said we

01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:50.920
we do believe we you know we have our

01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.920
policies on sustainability

01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:55.960
and if we don't include this as

01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:59.479
councelor Monroe has stated clearly we

01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:02.359
are going to be absolute laughing

01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:06.279
stock this is a Hightech building this

01:32:06.359 --> 01:32:09.399
is is a building that is going to last

01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:12.039
hopefully for a long time and service

01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:16.720
our community really well it needs to be

01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.239
right up to date in terms of

01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:22.039
sustainability the environment in in

01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:24.359
which these people live and work in

01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:28.800
is extremely important our do vote in

01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.720
favor of this for for the in the

01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:35.600
interests of the staff and especially

01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:37.720
the patients who are going to be

01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:41.199
visiting this building each day thank

01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:43.920
you thank you councelor mcneel I think

01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:46.279
as you were talking about sustainability

01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:48.159
you were referencing the sustainability

01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:52.439
management plan  and the correct the

01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:55.359
outcomes is there another speaker  yes

01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:58.079
mayor councilor Davenport well  thank

01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.279
thank you mayor and I have listened to

01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:02.920
the discussion about adding the items 

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.039
on sustainability back in I do want to

01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:07.800
raise the following point that generally

01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.199
 we want buildings to be of a good

01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:12.560
standard and and that's why we agree

01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:16.359
with the  National  building code

01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:18.760
and a lot of a lot of circstances we

01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:22.239
do put ESD designs into the large

01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:24.680
building but in this case we're talking

01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:26.239
about a medical

01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:28.560
Precinct now when I talk to members of

01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.720
the community may and I say what would

01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:31.960
you

01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:35.239
prefer project that's risky might may

01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:38.359
may go ahead may not all these UB

01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:41.279
standards or or something that meets the

01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:44.880
national code but going to get built and

01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:48.119
when you crook you can rock up and get

01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:49.920
and get someone that you meet you meet

01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.279
in need we should be encouraging

01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.000
investment within the city of White

01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:57.640
Horse about medical Precinct and medical

01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.880
development and we should be making it

01:33:59.960 --> 01:34:02.000
easier we should be enablers and not

01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.640
blockers adding all these additional

01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:07.319
conditions left right and Center adds

01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:12.359
those additional  barriers to building

01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:14.319
and a building that's within our

01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:17.039
Precinct that's within our vision one

01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:19.880
that that promotes medical use takes

01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:23.680
pressure off the state  Health System

01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:25.520
cuz they can turn up and get an

01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.039
appointment rather than filling

01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:30.920
emergency and I'm sure when tenants fill

01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.279
the place it will add a whole heap of

01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:35.279
additional offerings that are no longer

01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:38.640
there let's drisk the project remove all

01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:41.279
of these Superfluous conditions that you

01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:44.079
don't need that that that's

01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:47.159
there and let people that are crook get

01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:49.079
into a building that gets built it's

01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:51.520
going to be great vote against this

01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:53.920
amendment thank you mayor thank you

01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:55.640
councelor Davenport is there another

01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:58.319
speaker to the motion yes

01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.000
ma'am go councelor cuts and then

01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:03.159
councelor skill thank you I just want to

01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:04.880
draw everyone's attention to Tim Ryder

01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:07.399
who spoke the town planner who has said

01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:09.399
they worked with officers  for a very

01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:12.119
long time getting this to a position

01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:13.920
where they were very happy with the

01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.439
outcome and I think with the 19 levels

01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.039
the 11,000 square meters of additional

01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:22.520
floor space right next to Wellington 1

01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:24.720
 there were no objections to that and

01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:26.960
so I'm going to support

01:35:27.039 --> 01:35:30.279
Council Monroe's  Amendment thank you

01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.680
mayor thank you councelor Skilbeck 

01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:35.640
just to note councilors this is not a

01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:38.399
referend on ESD we've had this debate

01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:40.560
and discussion nerous times and I find

01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:42.319
it quite inappropriate that it's brought

01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.680
into discussion of a specific 

01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:48.199
planning application  just to be clear

01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:50.000
that the condition seven so the

01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:51.520
sustainability management plan

01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.920
requirement comes directly from the

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:56.199
Clause of white hores planning scheme

01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:59.279
that inserts our ESD policy it is not as

01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:02.039
if we have choice about that per say

01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:04.000
it's expected to be applied as part of

01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:05.880
the planning application and assessment

01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:07.800
process and it applies to all

01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:10.159
developments above three town houses so

01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:11.840
there's not a sense of something of this

01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:14.720
size and scale being singled out in fact

01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.279
it's inequitable to pick this out and

01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:18.840
suggest that it could be treated

01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:20.840
differently to all the other

01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:22.840
applications of three town houses or

01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.760
greater that have been decided this term

01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:27.720
it's standard it's accepted as other

01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:30.119
people have said and as perhaps could

01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:32.399
also be underlined  the development

01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:34.680
has already been allowed substantial car

01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:36.920
parking car parking allocation

01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:38.880
reductions so I don't really think we

01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:40.880
have anything further to debate here may

01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:42.760
perhaps we could put the

01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.840
vote thank you councelor Skilbeck

01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.159
are there any further

01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:52.199
speakers if not I will put this amended

01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:54.560
motion to the amendment to the motion

01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.279
May the amendment to the motion

01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:58.800
yes

01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:02.359
 to the vote Madame mayor I'd just

01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:05.880
like to clarify if that's okay  this

01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:08.199
amendment that we are now going to vote

01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:12.199
on is the amendment that

01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:14.600
reinstates correct seven yes I just want

01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:16.880
to make reinstates the sustainability

01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:20.479
management plan thank

01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:26.239
you all all those in

01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:30.560
favor councelor mcneel councelor stennet

01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:34.000
councelor Monro councelor massud

01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.640
councelor Leu councelor Skilbeck

01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:40.199
councelor Lane councelor Car councelor

01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:44.239
Cutz those against councelor Barker

01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:48.439
councelor Davenport the motion is

01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:53.119
carried motion with the amendment is

01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:54.239
carried

01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:56.760
move that the rec no

01:37:56.840 --> 01:37:59.760
that that now becomes the substan now

01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:01.199
becomes the substantive I move that the

01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:04.439
substantive be put May

01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.560
okay point of order mayor I don't think

01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:10.399
the Mover is allowed to put a put motion

01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:13.800
I'll move the motion I think could we

01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:17.399
just have some restraint and don't jp

01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:19.359
in thank you

01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:23.479
counselors okay we now have the new

01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:26.439
substantive which is actually got the

01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:29.359
sustainability management plan added

01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:32.479
back into it as the office as was the

01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.520
officer report

01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.479
originally is there a motion to put I'll

01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:40.199
move the motion to put Happy to Second

01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:43.119
mayor moved Council Lane seconded

01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.760
Council Leu the motion is put I put it

01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:50.399
to the vote all those in

01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:54.279
favor put motion

01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:56.520
okay

01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:00.319
 okay councelor mcneel are you happy

01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:02.279
to put the

01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:06.079
motion oh okay so those in favor to put

01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:08.199
the motion councilor State councelor

01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:11.840
Monroe councilor Barker councelor massud

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.600
councelor Davenport councelor Leu

01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:16.960
councelor Skilbeck councelor Lane

01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:20.479
councel car and councelor cuts those

01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:22.680
against putting the motion councelor

01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:25.359
mcneel

01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:28.600
the motion will be

01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:32.039
put I now put the motion all those in

01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:34.159
favor of the

01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:39.520
motion carried unanimously thank you

01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:45.960
counselors just for many of you sitting

01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:47.560
in the 

01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:50.640
gallery please feel free that if you've

01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:52.840
 been here for whatever you need to

01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:54.439
and you would like to leave you're

01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:57.359
welcome to we normally will have a 5

01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.279
minute break at around 9:00 but please

01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:02.800
don't feel that you have to sit through

01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.119
anything more than you really choose to

01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:07.760
so I will leave that in your hands to

01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:10.920
decide when you wish to

01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:16.880
leave we now move to item 10.2 which is

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:22.199
202 545 Station Street Box Hill sale and

01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:24.279
consption of liquor in association

01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.119
with a karaoke bar so move may I wish to

01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:30.079
move there sorry it's already been moved

01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:35.560
councelor mcneel moved by councilor Leu

01:40:36.520 --> 01:40:39.720
seconded councelor

01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:44.119
Monroe councelor Leo thank you mayor

01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:46.720
councilors this application is seeking

01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:48.960
approval for a liquor license that'll be

01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:53.680
part of a car key bar at 202 545 Station

01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:56.399
Street Box Hill  the premises is

01:40:56.479 --> 01:40:59.359
proposed to be on level two of the sky

01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:00.680
one

01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:03.600
building the application seeks a Leal

01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:06.840
license to operate from 12: noon to 3:00

01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:10.720
a.m. the following day 7 days a week a

01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:12.399
number of considerations have been

01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:15.319
considered including amenity impacts

01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:17.720
including but not limited to noise

01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.119
antisocial behavior and safety given

01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:22.199
that it's located in a mixed use

01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:24.880
building and whether or not the liquor

01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:27.439
license is appropriate giving given the

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:28.960
area and

01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:31.479
Zoning the report before us tonight

01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:34.159
counselors is well considered balancing

01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:35.960
the merits of the application and

01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:37.600
addressing some of the key concerns

01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:40.600
raised by the residents of Sky one and

01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:42.960
surrounds it is important to note

01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:45.359
counselors that we are considering the

01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.159
application of a liquor license and not

01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:51.119
the merits of the use of the premises as

01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:53.720
a karaoke bar

01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:55.479
within the context of the planning

01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:58.479
scheme the proposed premises is located

01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:01.359
within commercial one zoning in central

01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:04.439
Box Hill a designated Metropolitan

01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:06.680
Activity Center under the Victorian

01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:09.720
planning framework as such counil is the

01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:12.560
establishment and use of the car karaoke

01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:16.760
bar without a permit is a right of

01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:20.079
use in considering the appropriateness

01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:23.119
of an Associated liquor license

01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.560
particularly within the context of a mix

01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:28.199
Youth Development that is Sky 1 a number

01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:29.840
of conditions have been recommended as

01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:30.920
part of the

01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.239
report adjustment of the hours when

01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.159
liquor is available for sale consption

01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:37.479
of the premises including Sunday to

01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:41.279
Thursday between 12:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:43.359
the following day and Friday and

01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.159
Saturday between 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m.

01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:48.680
the following day this is also in line

01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:50.720
with similar establishments in central

01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.800
Box Hill and Whitehorse there's also an

01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:56.560
adjustment of Maxim Patron numbers

01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:59.359
between midday and midnight the Max 

01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:01.359
Max patrons would be

01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.800
351 between 1:00 a.m. to 2: a.m. 250

01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:07.840
patrons and between 2: a.m. and 3:00

01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:12.199
a.m. the max patrons  permissible is

01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:15.039
150 this decanting approach councilors

01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.319
by decreasing the patron numbers from 1:

01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:19.840
a.m. onwards will assist in the more

01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:21.880
even distribution of patrons to and from

01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.760
the venue and Aid crowd control towards

01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.520
the end of trading extensive acoustic

01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:29.800
treatments to minimize and contain noise

01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:31.920
to within the premises have also been

01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.159
conditioned as well as a

01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:36.560
comprehensive menu H sorry venue

01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.680
management plan including ensuring that

01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:41.760
the venue will operate by prior bookings

01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:43.920
and reservations and that no bookings

01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.399
are taken after at 12:00 a.m. and no

01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:48.680
outside killing the lobby is permitted

01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:50.920
after this time as well this is to

01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:52.560
further mitigate congregating and

01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:54.359
contain Noise Within the

01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:57.680
venue the late night access by patrons

01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.520
to and from the building will be 

01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:02.520
strictly  through Station Street entry

01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:04.199
access only and this provides a

01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:06.119
separation to the residential Lobby on

01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:08.800
Carrington Road and patrons entering and

01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.119
exiting the site for karaoke purposes

01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:13.399
there's also a provision of four

01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:15.399
security guards and this includes one

01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:16.800
additional security guard to what is

01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:20.640
required for the first  100 patrons 

01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:22.399
have also been included as part of the

01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:23.600
conditions

01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:26.239
and  I would like to mention in

01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:28.880
particular as well that  the

01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:31.319
conditions also mention that security

01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:33.960
staff  are engaged to ensure the safe

01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:35.880
eress of patrons departing from the

01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:37.760
venue to neighboring public transport

01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:40.640
stops and stations or taxi

01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:43.399
ranks requirements of conducting sweeps

01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:45.399
following departure of guests during the

01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:47.439
venue's hours of operation and 30

01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:50.199
minutes after the venue have also been

01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:52.560
 have also been included and Suits

01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.600
will be undertaken on the ground floor

01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:56.840
adjoining laneway level one and two of

01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:58.600
the lobby areas and externally around

01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:00.600
the building at 30 minute intervals to

01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:02.359
ensure that all patrons who have exited

01:45:02.439 --> 01:45:04.680
the building are safe and have made

01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:06.960
travel arrangements to vacate the

01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:09.199
vicinity and also included is a

01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:11.800
comprehensive cleaning roster for the

01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:14.239
premises and surrounding

01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:16.720
streets councilors  the application

01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:19.680
was also referred to on the Victorian

01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:23.359
Liquor Commission and  there has been

01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:25.880
no OB objection to the application and

01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:29.159
no conditions required as well again

01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:31.039
councilors I reiterate that the report

01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:32.840
thoroughly considers the valid concerns

01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:34.840
raised by the objectives and the details

01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:37.399
of the proposal by the applicant with

01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:39.720
this in mind I'm inclined to support the

01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:42.039
 so sorry I'm inclined to support the

01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:45.560
subject  I'm inclined to support the

01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:48.439
report subject to conss outlined before

01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:50.039
us tonight and commend the report to

01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:51.520
counselors thank

01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.720
you thank you Council Le councilor

01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:57.520
Monroe  thank you mayor  as Council

01:45:57.600 --> 01:45:59.800
Leu alluded to we're actually only

01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:02.920
considering a very narrow  remit in

01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:04.920
this motion and it's really around the

01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:07.680
the liquor license  and it does set

01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:09.840
about  other constraints on the

01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.399
business that aren't directly related to

01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:13.840
the liquor license but they relate to

01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.039
the number of Patron so I guess it does

01:46:16.119 --> 01:46:18.439
relate to the potential impact of people

01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.279
consing liquor when  the numbers are

01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:24.479
decreased in the one to 2 a.m. time slot

01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:27.319
and the 2 to 3:00 a.m. time slot  and

01:46:27.399 --> 01:46:31.199
I note that the  Sunday to Thursday

01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:33.840
the hours are 12:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:36.239
and Friday and Saturday is 12:00 a.m. to

01:46:36.319 --> 01:46:39.000
3:00 a.m. in terms of the serving of

01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:40.760
liquor and the consption on the

01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:45.319
premises  and so I do note a couple of

01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:47.920
observations we do consider boxill to be

01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:50.880
a second CBD to Melbourne and part of

01:46:50.960 --> 01:46:54.399
that is places to work places to shop 

01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:58.000
and also  places for for social life

01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:01.199
and so this is  an applicant is trying

01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:04.720
to to achieve that and I I think  we

01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.359
need to be cognizant that  some

01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:09.920
injection of life and activity  into

01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:11.920
the boxill precinct is important the

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.600
Melbourne CBD does run 24 hours a day

01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:16.520
it's not quite 24 hours a day but

01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.439
certainly you would expect  extended

01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:22.159
 activities around the boxill precinct

01:47:22.239 --> 01:47:25.119
I also know that  one of the major

01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:27.359
Pokey venues  in walking distance from

01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.279
this venue  it operates till 1:00 a.m.

01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.680
 7 days a week  and just down the

01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:34.800
road along White House Road another

01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:37.800
venue operates till 4:00 a.m. 7 days a

01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:40.800
week so there is availability of alcohol

01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:43.640
 at that that venue

01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:47.600
 I appreciate the  what was raised

01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:49.079
 with submitters tonight and the

01:47:49.159 --> 01:47:51.279
concern of those people living in the

01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.000
the building but I do note that that

01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:56.159
that development does have  commercial

01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:58.720
aspects or it has restaurants and has a

01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:02.119
 several levels  beyond the 

01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:04.039
residences and that is part of the

01:48:04.119 --> 01:48:06.520
design it's part of activating  the

01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:09.680
area with restaurants and activity to

01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:11.479
complement the residents and to comp

01:48:11.560 --> 01:48:13.760
complement the wider area  but as I

01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.840
said at the outset it really is a narrow

01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.000
remit around the liquor license and I

01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:20.560
commend the  effort and Detail in the

01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.760
report and commend the motion

01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:26.439
thank you councilor Monro is there a

01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:30.119
speaker councelor

01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:33.960
mcneel an

01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:40.920
amendment okay the amendment is  shown

01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:45.279
on the screen and it has a an alteration

01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:49.119
to the operation

01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:53.000
hours I believe your intention is for it

01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:57.199
to cease operating at 1:00

01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:00.840
a.m. on all

01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:13.079
days do you have a second to councelor

01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:15.640
mcneel I will second that may purely for

01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:18.359
the debate I like

01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:21.479
debates thank you councelor bar

01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.520
councelor mcneel  thank you  

01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:26.640
mayor and counselors as I said the

01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:29.640
impact of this amendment is that liquor

01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:33.520
would stop being served at 1:00 a.m. but

01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:36.600
the venue would remain open until 3:00

01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:39.720
a.m. now this gives Patron's time to

01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.319
cyber up before leaving and it also

01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:46.279
tests if there is any negative amenity

01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:50.319
and  we heard  the speakers   in

01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:53.079
the gallery tonight  cple speaker

01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:56.479
tonight talking about  their their

01:49:56.560 --> 01:49:59.119
concerns potential concerns about

01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:01.479
negative amenity drunkenness on the

01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:04.640
street outside the venue alcohol rated

01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.239
bad behavior violence

01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:11.159
Etc the train only runs through through

01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:14.159
the night on Friday and Saturday nights

01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:18.119
only the tra stops running s soon after

01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:20.880
1:00 a.m. on a Friday and a Saturday

01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:23.319
night and buses

01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:26.640
stop running much earlier than that and

01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:30.039
so Ubers and taxis are the only real

01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:33.720
options and I can say to you all good

01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:37.399
luck getting one of those because  the

01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:41.640
rest as I said this is we want to we

01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:43.039
certainly want to

01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.399
encourage  as I said the alternate 

01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:49.520
is retaining the 1:00 a.m. as the

01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.840
closing time  sorry as the Clos ing

01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:53.880
time for

01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.720
alcohol  and it's consistent with

01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.439
other license licenses currently

01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:03.720
operating in boxill and this proposal is

01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:08.279
 also to operate 7 days per week so in

01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:12.000
my view this is  a significant 

01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:15.199
positive in incremental change and

01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:18.640
extends alcohol license from 11:00 p.m.

01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:21.159
to 1:00 a.m. every single night of the

01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:26.039
week now that is really  and as we as

01:51:26.119 --> 01:51:29.359
we know we want to encourage activity

01:51:29.439 --> 01:51:33.119
and  in Box Hill especially  each

01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:34.640
night of the week for people to be able

01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:38.479
to sit back and relax  and  maybe

01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:41.920
have a drink and  and something to eat

01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.960
but you know I think 3:00 a.m. is way

01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:47.560
too late I think we want to test this

01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:51.000
out let's have it open till 1:00 a.m.

01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:54.640
serving alcohol let's give them then the

01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:58.079
time between 1: and 3 for things to just

01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.760
calm down people can can still stay

01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:04.119
there can still chat and and sing and do

01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:06.439
other things whatever they want to do

01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:10.159
but it'll encourage people  to to do

01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:12.359
the right thing by 3:00 a.m. if people

01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:15.119
are leaving late they will you know

01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:17.960
they've had time to to saber up and I

01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:20.159
honestly believe we want to test this

01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:23.279
out see how it goes and and there is

01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:26.920
nothing to stop them applying in future

01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.000
to have the hours extended once we've

01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:33.640
seen how it goes but let's take a a  a

01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:36.800
considered approach and and see how it

01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:39.880
goes I'm sure it will be fine but let's

01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:44.119
take it in in step by step and I I think

01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:46.439
this is going to be an excellent

01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.439
opportunity in boxill as I said we've

01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:52.520
got buses and trains look if trains and

01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:56.319
and and  trams and buses ran a bit

01:52:56.399 --> 01:52:59.239
later maybe 3:00 a.m. would be more

01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:01.800
acceptable I mean in the city you know

01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:04.199
you've got access to all forms of

01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.600
Transport  and that's why they have

01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:10.439
longer hours because they have access to

01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:13.640
the public transport in boxill during

01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:16.399
the week you it's shut down pretty much

01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:19.960
by midnight and by Saturday Sunday it's

01:53:20.039 --> 01:53:23.079
pretty much over by 1:00 a.m. let's

01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:26.159
encourage people to have a good time and

01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:28.520
 and then as I said make their way

01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:31.560
home safely and let's avoid some of the

01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:33.760
negative impacts potential negative

01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:37.399
impacts of alcohol and we did discuss

01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:40.319
that topic at our last council meeting

01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:43.000
so I encourage people to please vote for

01:53:43.079 --> 01:53:44.039
the

01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:46.520
alternate thank you councilor mcneel

01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:49.319
councelor Barker Madame mayor before

01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:52.000
councelor Barker speaks I'm a touch

01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:53.960
confused used can I just see clar

01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:57.640
clarification please yes you may on 7B

01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:00.439
up there  councelor mcneel was talking

01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:03.800
about  the place being open until 3:00

01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:06.920
a.m. and the serving of liquor until 1:

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.479
a.m. according to the motion before us

01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:13.720
7B only lists midnight to 1:00 a.m.

01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:16.880
which indicates that the venue would

01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.439
close at 1:00 a.m. with 250

01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:23.000
patrons I understand your question I'll

01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:25.880
ask Mr Green if he can come and explain

01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:29.439
why you still go to 3:00

01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:32.560
a.m. through your may as stated by some

01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:34.520
of the counselors this evening the use

01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:36.680
as a karaoke bar is as of right and we

01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:38.199
therefore don't have the ability to

01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:40.520
control the hours of operation for the

01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:42.960
use we can control the hours of of

01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:44.720
operation where there is the consption

01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:47.239
of liquor so Council McNeal is proposing

01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:49.199
to reduce those hours the numbers up

01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:52.319
there are linked to our venue management

01:54:52.399 --> 01:54:54.479
plan where we're decanting people

01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:56.159
gradually over time and so what that's

01:54:56.239 --> 01:54:58.760
saying is that between midnight to 1:00

01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:01.159
a.m. under Council McNeil's Amendment

01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:05.119
there'll be 250 patrons allowed to to 1:

01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.880
a.m. when the consption of liquor is

01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:10.319
permitted and then that number would be

01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:11.560
would still be the same between 1:00

01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:13.079
a.m. and 3:00 a.m. but there' be no

01:55:13.159 --> 01:55:15.399
consption of

01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:17.760
liquor excuse

01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:21.880
me and with all due respect Mr Grant I I

01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:24.600
I I think I'm with councilor car on this

01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:27.920
all it says there is in 7 a b is the

01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:31.000
number of people allowed on the premises

01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:34.680
until 1:00 a.m. 8 is to do with the

01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:36.840
consption of alcohol which again is

01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:40.920
till 1:00 a.m. so my read of that is

01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:43.880
midnight to 1:00 a.m. 250 patient

01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:46.760
patients patrons but from 1 a.m. to 3:00

01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:50.720
a.m. I could have 400 351 patrons 

01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:52.880
through you may I do refer you to the

01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:54.600
the opening of condition 7 which does

01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:56.640
refer to the any time liquor is

01:55:56.720 --> 01:55:59.319
available for sale or consption on the

01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:01.760
premises so it is tied into when there's

01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:04.239
liqu

01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:06.520
available okay I think

01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:11.279
it's up there with the pink  has a 7c

01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:13.479
between two so we did stipulate between

01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:15.840
2: a.m. and 3:00 a.m. it was to be

01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:18.199
reduced to 150 patrons that was in the

01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:20.960
original so why can't we now with the

01:56:21.039 --> 01:56:24.479
amendment have a c  we've already got

01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:27.279
a B okay Midnight to 1:00 a.m. 250

01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:30.199
that's fine why can't we have  a c

01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:34.319
between 1:00 a.m. and 3:00 a.m. 150 why

01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:37.039
can't we still retain the C but change

01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:39.600
the hours because then it lets everyone

01:56:39.680 --> 01:56:43.439
know who's reading this motion that 

01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:45.800
the venue is due to be open until

01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:48.399
3:00  I don't understand why we need

01:56:48.479 --> 01:56:51.640
to delete C it's not right  three you

01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:53.479
may I do understand the question from

01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:56.439
councilor car but this condition is as

01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:59.359
as the prute says it does relate to when

01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:00.640
there is the consption of liquor on

01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.560
the premises it's not just the general

01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:05.479
operating hours it's specifically in

01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:07.279
relation to when consption of liquor

01:57:07.359 --> 01:57:08.159
is

01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:10.039
occurring so it needs it needs to be

01:57:10.119 --> 01:57:11.119
read in that

01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:14.119
context yeah thank

01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:18.000
you so we now have Clarity yes thank you

01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:22.319
thank you okay Council Bara

01:57:22.399 --> 01:57:23.680
well thanks very much Mar and I've

01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:25.119
always been a little bit partial to

01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:27.159
karaoke and it probably won't come as

01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:28.520
any great surprise to you that I was

01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:30.760
rather good at it at younger days in my

01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:33.640
life before I was a respected member of

01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:35.800
the  the community I would I'd go

01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.000
after to work to this Malaysian

01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:40.399
restaurant in town and cons conse 

01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:42.000
some beverages with it but it was

01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:44.760
generally on my way home by

01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:48.279
8:30 but I do find it quite compelling

01:57:48.359 --> 01:57:50.640
the argent that this is an incremental

01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:54.159
step because I'm als Alo reminded of the

01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:56.159
L Hill call that nothing good happens

01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:59.720
after 2 a.m. and I also think that we

01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:01.159
need to be really careful of what we

01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:03.279
wish for here because we know that the

01:58:03.359 --> 01:58:05.520
determination of the Suburban rail Loop

01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:07.600
area and the new planning controls mean

01:58:07.680 --> 01:58:09.760
that even right down to  you know the

01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.640
laer station in that little  Gourmet

01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:16.079
girl that commercial does that mean it's

01:58:16.159 --> 01:58:17.560
part of the new activity center and we

01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:20.000
get a a 3:00 a.m. karaoke bar there I

01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:22.079
don't know they're the sorts of things

01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:23.920
I'll be interested in in terms of making

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.920
sure the state government doesn't do

01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:28.680
things to our planning SK that we don't

01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:32.119
want but I do find that a quite a

01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:34.800
compelling proposition that we start off

01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:37.960
try it and again I'm no wower here I

01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:41.039
like in my younger days liked to Bevy

01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:44.039
quite late at night before I fell asleep

01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:46.560
 but there's there's something to be

01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:48.319
said for that because the applicant can

01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:50.439
come back so this is going quite well

01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:52.800
it's going well in the city and  let

01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:56.000
them extend it so I'd be even happy to

01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:58.880
have a sort of pilot program on it so I

01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:01.079
support this

01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:03.560
man thank you councilor Barker are there

01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:06.439
any further speakers yes ma'am councilor

01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:09.239
you thank you with all due respect

01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:12.640
councelor Barker and and I do 

01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:15.479
appreciate your  your comments I don't

01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:17.800
think a pilot program works in this

01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:19.720
respect as  we're considering this

01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:22.199
application and look while I certainly

01:59:22.279 --> 01:59:25.800
appreciate the concerns raised  by the

01:59:25.880 --> 01:59:26.680


01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:31.079
objectives and  in my view councelor

01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:33.880
mcneel's Amendment fails to consider the

01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:35.920
reality of the hospitality and

01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:38.439
entertainment sectors including Cari

01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:41.159
bars where businesses are typically the

01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:43.560
busiest during Friday and Saturday

01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:46.960
nights the report considers a mixed used

01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:49.039
nature of sky 1 which happens to be

01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:50.800
located in a commercial Zone in the

01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:52.840
heart of one of the key activity centers

01:59:52.920 --> 01:59:55.840
in Metro Melbourne that is Box Hill

01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:59.279
we're definitely not the CBD I agree and

01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:01.119
 I think this is appropriately

02:00:01.199 --> 02:00:03.079
reflected in the adjustment to the

02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.680
timing ma maxim Patron numbers and the

02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:07.680
strengthening of the provisions within

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:10.399
the V new management plan and the

02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:14.560
acoustical treatments as well  and

02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:16.199
certainly addresses some of these key

02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:18.560
concerns that have been raised and

02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:20.840
contrary to councilor mcneel's comments

02:00:20.920 --> 02:00:23.000
the liquor license op operating hours

02:00:23.079 --> 02:00:25.199
she is proposing is actually not

02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:27.920
consistent with similar establishments

02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:30.399
in Whitehorse  it is worth noting

02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:32.520
councils that both classic karaoke which

02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:35.159
is situated not too far away on the

02:00:35.239 --> 02:00:36.840
corner of Bank Street and Station Street

02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:40.359
Box Hill and kbox karaoke on man's Road

02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:43.720
in Forest Hill  and like to note that

02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:46.640
kbox is actually located  very close

02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:48.960
and opposite a residential apartment

02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:52.159
complex have liqu licenses in operation

02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:55.560
until 4 a.m. every day except for Anzac

02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:57.920
day so I think this is the report that

02:00:58.000 --> 02:00:59.880
The Count Council offices have put

02:00:59.960 --> 02:01:02.560
forward is a good compromise and  I

02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:06.159
urge you to  reject this amendment

02:01:06.239 --> 02:01:07.600
thank

02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:10.920
you thank you councilor new further

02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:14.520
speakers thank you mayor councilor Monro

02:01:14.600 --> 02:01:16.720
 well I think Council L for the last

02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:18.399
comments CU I wasn't sure I didn't know

02:01:18.479 --> 02:01:20.800
the hours of those other venues and

02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:24.439
there  far less a CBD location than

02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:26.279
what we're talking about in boxill in

02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:28.680
Station Street in the lower levels of

02:01:28.760 --> 02:01:32.479
sky 1  but I did want to  bring one

02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:34.399
point and I'm looking at the public

02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:37.720
transport  website  because I'm sure

02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:41.239
councelors may not be aware  and I I

02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:43.399
didn't hear the start of  councelor

02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:44.800
McNeil's comments whether she was

02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:46.359
talking about the trains I heard the

02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.319
trams and the bus comments  but on

02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:51.399
Friday nights or really Saturday morning

02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:53.600
and Monday morning  the train service

02:01:53.680 --> 02:01:56.800
runs on a half hour so you can catch the

02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:00.319
from boxill to Ringwood  the 309 train

02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:03.359
 and be at Ringwood at 324  or you

02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:05.479
can catch the train back into the city

02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:07.279
so I just want to correct the record the

02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:09.760
comment about transport in the city 

02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:11.840
is no different to transport available

02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:14.279
in Boxville in the train service exists

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because as far as I know  in the city

02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:18.439
the tram and the bus services except if

02:02:18.520 --> 02:02:20.840
there's still Night Rider bus services

02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:23.680
 cease  operation around that 1:00

02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:26.640
a.m. Mark so  we do have the transport

02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:29.960
options from boxill and to be clear here

02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:31.600
we're only talking about Friday night

02:02:31.680 --> 02:02:34.039
and Saturday night and it's only two

02:02:34.119 --> 02:02:36.720
hours that we're trying to curtail 

02:02:36.800 --> 02:02:39.319
the license but as was stated they are

02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:41.920
key nights for people to go and seek

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.319
entertainment and there are other

02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:46.239
Protections in place to protect other

02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:49.399
residents and people's liquor licenses

02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:51.199
are at risk if they're found to do the

02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:54.319
wrong thing so office  councilors I'd

02:02:54.399 --> 02:02:56.279
encourage you to support the officer's

02:02:56.359 --> 02:02:59.239
recommendation and not micromanage

02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:02.199
this thank you councilor Monro are there

02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:03.600
any further

02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:06.199
speakers there being no further speakers

02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:06.920
I

02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:09.560
will Amendment or on the alternative I

02:03:09.640 --> 02:03:10.560
don't

02:03:10.640 --> 02:03:15.039
do I will put this amendment to the vote

02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:18.079
all those in

02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:22.560
favor councelor mcneel coun counc Barker

02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:25.640
and councelor Cutz those

02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:29.319
against councelor stennet councelor

02:03:29.399 --> 02:03:34.079
Monro councelor massud councelor Leu

02:03:34.159 --> 02:03:36.479
councelor Davenport councelor Skilbeck

02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:39.680
councelor Lane councelor

02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:42.319
Car the amendment is

02:03:42.399 --> 02:03:46.039
lost we now return to the

02:03:46.119 --> 02:03:47.960
substantive are there any further

02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:51.039
speakers

02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:58.680
councelor mcneel I did want

02:03:58.760 --> 02:04:02.359
to to speak in favor of the

02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:05.800
substantive please councilor McNeil

02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:08.800
thank you and  yes certainly I I

02:04:08.880 --> 02:04:11.479
certainly support  and  thank you

02:04:11.560 --> 02:04:15.880
for the debate on on the the U Amendment

02:04:15.960 --> 02:04:19.439
 I appreciate  people's comments 

02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:22.039
and I do support the broad objective of

02:04:22.119 --> 02:04:25.039
of increasing entertainment and cultural

02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:27.000
 developments into major Municipal

02:04:27.079 --> 02:04:30.439
activity centers like boxill and planned

02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:33.800
to grow from 29,000 to

02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:37.279
775,000 People by 2056 according to the

02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:41.279
Suburban rail Loop so this proposal does

02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:44.239
provide much needed entertainment  in

02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:47.000
the area and and and honestly it is

02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:51.000
highly welcome and  the licensed and

02:04:51.079 --> 02:04:54.279
 carrier bar on level two I think is a

02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:57.119
very good Sound Idea it will add

02:04:57.199 --> 02:04:59.800
vibrancy it will improve the night life

02:04:59.880 --> 02:05:02.119
opportunities for growing the growing

02:05:02.199 --> 02:05:05.399
population and I can see that  that

02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:08.720
the applicant has sought to to make 

02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:11.000
to mitigate the noise and other

02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:14.239
potential impacts  by operating on

02:05:14.319 --> 02:05:16.920
level two a way from the residential

02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:19.279
apartments that actually commence on

02:05:19.359 --> 02:05:23.399
level four so I I  with those few

02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:25.720
comments I would like to  I will

02:05:25.800 --> 02:05:27.920
certainly support the overall proposal

02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:30.199
thank

02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:33.720
you if there's no further speakers I

02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:35.720
will put the motion to the vote all

02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:38.000
those in

02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:41.279
favor councelor mcneel councelor stennet

02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:44.119
councelor Monroe councelor massud

02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:47.199
councelor Leu councelor Davenport

02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:49.840
councelor Skilbeck councelor Lane

02:05:49.920 --> 02:05:52.119
councelor C councelor cup

02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:55.479
those against councilor Barker the

02:05:55.560 --> 02:05:57.000
motion is

02:05:57.079 --> 02:06:00.479
carried it is now 9:06 and we will take

02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:05.600
a 5 minute recess and return at

02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:08.760
911 right we will now rese the meeting

02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:11.720
and we are now at item 10.3 bwood

02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:13.920
Heights Shopping Center Declaration of

02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:16.520
special charge for marketing and

02:06:16.600 --> 02:06:19.880
promotion Services  purposes sorry

02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:22.000
happy to move may do I have a

02:06:22.079 --> 02:06:25.079
I'll second me councelor Skilbeck and

02:06:25.159 --> 02:06:27.560
seconded councilor Lane councelor

02:06:27.640 --> 02:06:30.119
Skilbeck  thank you mayor councilors

02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:31.920
this is one of those matters that has to

02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:35.039
come to Council in stages we have to

02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:37.479
intend to declare a special charge which

02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:40.560
we decided on the 29th of April and then

02:06:40.640 --> 02:06:43.279
to activate we have to actually declare

02:06:43.359 --> 02:06:44.920
the special charge which is what is

02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:47.640
before us tonight for some recap this is

02:06:47.720 --> 02:06:49.800
bwood Heights Shopping Center so on the

02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:51.960
Southeast corner of the middleb Road and

02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:54.319
bwood Highway intersection the special

02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:56.479
charge scheme is about centralized

02:06:56.560 --> 02:06:59.079
coordination for marketing promotions

02:06:59.159 --> 02:07:00.800
and administration funds that are

02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:03.079
contributed by participants and

02:07:03.159 --> 02:07:06.399
participation is all or none noting that

02:07:06.479 --> 02:07:08.640
this is not Council funding it's simply

02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:10.800
Council administering the

02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:13.560
scheme as well as general public notice

02:07:13.640 --> 02:07:15.079
all property owners and business

02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:17.359
operators were notified of the intention

02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:20.159
to declare in May with a closing date

02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:22.760
for submission or OB ctions of the 5th

02:07:22.840 --> 02:07:26.159
of June there were none which we largely

02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:28.039
expected given the comprehensive

02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:31.199
pre-work over nearly 2 years now and

02:07:31.279 --> 02:07:32.720
which from a process point of view

02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:34.840
removed the need for additional chamber

02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:37.840
consideration of anything submitted so

02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:40.119
we come to the final decision tonight

02:07:40.199 --> 02:07:43.119
without anything new to add to the mix

02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:45.000
and we remain with the prospect that all

02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.119
the leg work done for bwood Heights will

02:07:47.199 --> 02:07:49.399
Advantage processes for Canterbury roads

02:07:49.479 --> 02:07:51.840
brenford Square shopping center in

02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:54.239
future in terms of

02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:57.560
renewal as the ward counselor for bwood

02:07:57.640 --> 02:07:59.119
Heights Shopping Center I ask my

02:07:59.199 --> 02:08:00.800
colleagues to formally declare the

02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.560
renewal of a special charge scheme for a

02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:05.079
further 5 Years From the 1st of

02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:08.720
September 24 to 31st of August

02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.119
2029 this is in good Accord with

02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:13.199
council's investment and economic

02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:15.800
development strategy to 2028 and

02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:17.920
generally with council's desire to

02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:20.720
support constructive collaboration for

02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:23.239
such critical sites in precincts that

02:08:23.319 --> 02:08:25.279
are likely to undergo significant

02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:28.199
transformation in the next decade may I

02:08:28.279 --> 02:08:30.800
commend the report thank you councelor

02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:33.920
Skilbeck councelor Lane thank you mayor

02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:35.680
 as always Council Skilbeck has done

02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.760
an excellent job in introducing the the

02:08:38.840 --> 02:08:41.000
topic  I just do want to note and

02:08:41.079 --> 02:08:42.800
reiterate that this is one of only two

02:08:42.880 --> 02:08:44.880
within our municipality the other one

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:47.680
being brenford Square in the wonderful

02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:48.800
manes

02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:52.079
Ward these special charges are important

02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:54.039
to ensure there are sufficient funds to

02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:56.359
promote the local businesses as a

02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:57.960
destination in which to complete your

02:08:58.039 --> 02:09:00.760
shop but to also offer support to

02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:02.800
businesses in their development and

02:09:02.880 --> 02:09:05.199
needs to grow their business this

02:09:05.279 --> 02:09:07.840
special charge has been in place since

02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:10.960
2002 and the scheme has been crucial in

02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:13.239
supporting the shopping precinct which

02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:15.920
faces some very tough competition from

02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:17.760
the nearby retail development such as

02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:22.079
bwood 1 and bwood Brick Works

02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:23.800
I got nothing more to add mayor other

02:09:23.880 --> 02:09:25.319
than it's important to assist in the

02:09:25.399 --> 02:09:28.000
survival of the local shopping Precinct

02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:30.399
councils please support this

02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:32.479
recommendation thank you Council Elane

02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:33.800
are there any further

02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:36.359
speakers there being no further speakers

02:09:36.439 --> 02:09:38.279
I'll put the motion to the vote all

02:09:38.359 --> 02:09:39.680
those in

02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:44.199
favor carried unanimously

02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:56.079
we now move to item 10.4 the draft White

02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.840
Horse Open Space strategy endorsement

02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:03.079
for Community engagement number two Mo

02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:05.640
mayor thank you councelor Cutz is there

02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:07.840
a seconder happy to Second mayor thank

02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:10.560
you councelor Monroe councelor Cuts

02:10:10.640 --> 02:10:12.760
thank you very much mayor the purpose of

02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:17.199
today's  recommendation is to support

02:10:17.279 --> 02:10:19.680
the draft going out for a second round

02:10:19.760 --> 02:10:22.640
of consultation with our community

02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:25.399
so councilors at a very high level the

02:10:25.479 --> 02:10:27.720
draft Open Space strategy clearly

02:10:27.800 --> 02:10:30.399
articulates and provides a stock take of

02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:33.880
all the public space within Whitehorse

02:10:33.960 --> 02:10:37.560
it's supported by a technical report

02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:40.520
which is this it's massive absolutely

02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:41.960
massive the amount of work that's gone

02:10:42.039 --> 02:10:45.640
into this and the strategy also lists

02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:48.119
suburb by suburb or which we call

02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:50.359
precincts of which there are 12 cross

02:10:50.439 --> 02:10:53.560
Whitehorse so if got this there  it

02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:55.760
also provides opportunities through the

02:10:55.840 --> 02:10:59.319
various 16 precincts for new and

02:10:59.399 --> 02:11:02.399
expanded open space noting of course as

02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:04.600
we are all very aware that we have got

02:11:04.680 --> 02:11:07.880
limited opportunities to build up nature

02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:10.800
of Whitehorse due to our landlock

02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:13.279
situation and thirdly it provides a

02:11:13.359 --> 02:11:15.439
legal mechanism through the planning

02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:18.479
process for funding a future open space

02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:21.520
by way of contributions and another

02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:24.479
other funding sources it's an essential

02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:27.000
tool to help guide the community and

02:11:27.079 --> 02:11:29.039
Council on how best to respond to the

02:11:29.119 --> 02:11:30.960
challenges and there very many

02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:33.560
challenges we face at Whitehorse

02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:36.000
particularly during a period of proposed

02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:38.640
population increase and we've heard with

02:11:38.720 --> 02:11:41.279
the potential or the housing statement

02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:44.000
that we''re currently on about 74,000

02:11:44.079 --> 02:11:46.000
dwellings and the state government is

02:11:46.079 --> 02:11:48.039
proposing that we should be getting

02:11:48.119 --> 02:11:50.079
another 79 which is doubling the number

02:11:50.159 --> 02:11:51.760
of dwellings in our

02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:55.279
municipality so that is where we also

02:11:55.359 --> 02:11:57.279
have to look at that and not only that

02:11:57.359 --> 02:12:00.640
we've got  other issues facing us as

02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:03.920
well with the Suburban rail Loop  and

02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:06.000
the boxill and B

02:12:06.079 --> 02:12:09.520
areas so counselors basically what we've

02:12:09.600 --> 02:12:11.359
got this is this is actually one of our

02:12:11.439 --> 02:12:14.199
most key strategies that we will have at

02:12:14.279 --> 02:12:16.039
Council we've got the integrated

02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:17.760
planning Suite which is the Community

02:12:17.840 --> 02:12:20.119
Vision council plan the long-term

02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:22.880
financial plan the asset plan and annual

02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:25.199
budgets including the capital Works plan

02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:27.840
but this particular strategy will be

02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:31.159
relied on to influence and impact all of

02:12:31.239 --> 02:12:33.680
those it will guide our open space

02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.399
initiatives delivering community and

02:12:35.479 --> 02:12:38.520
environmental benefits over the next 15

02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:41.279
years it will also shape the open space

02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:43.279
Network during a period of significant

02:12:43.359 --> 02:12:47.359
change laying a foundation for a future

02:12:47.439 --> 02:12:51.039
years to come

02:12:51.319 --> 02:12:53.960
we all know open space is a highly

02:12:54.039 --> 02:12:56.439
valued commodity in Whitehorse as it is

02:12:56.520 --> 02:12:58.479
pretty everywhere else extensive

02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:01.520
research and consultation  about open

02:13:01.600 --> 02:13:03.439
space consistently highlight the

02:13:03.520 --> 02:13:05.439
positive impact that has on mental

02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:08.119
health and well-being open space as we

02:13:08.199 --> 02:13:10.600
all know also assists in urban Cooling

02:13:10.680 --> 02:13:13.239
and protecting natural biodiversity

02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:15.239
which is particularly important in White

02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:17.840
Horse where many Open Spaces include

02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:20.199
native Bushland area that provide

02:13:20.279 --> 02:13:23.640
habitat for native plants and

02:13:23.720 --> 02:13:26.760
animals we've seen that projected growth

02:13:26.840 --> 02:13:30.039
in the next 15 years is going to be

02:13:30.119 --> 02:13:32.119
around 36

02:13:32.199 --> 02:13:35.079
37,000 and further substantial growth as

02:13:35.159 --> 02:13:37.800
mentioned with the srl  the Suburban

02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:40.159
rail Loop and the government targets so

02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:41.720
there's really never been a more

02:13:41.800 --> 02:13:44.000
important time to do this planning to

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:45.760
ensure adequate open space can be

02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:47.800
provided to continue to support a

02:13:47.880 --> 02:13:49.560
healthy Vibrant Community environment

02:13:49.640 --> 02:13:52.119
well into the future now in our first

02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:54.439
round of consultation May which was in

02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:57.399
September November 22 there were over

02:13:57.479 --> 02:14:00.319
2,000 Whitehorse residents who engaged

02:14:00.399 --> 02:14:02.600
in that consultation and they provide us

02:14:02.680 --> 02:14:04.880
with very valuable information which is

02:14:04.960 --> 02:14:08.359
fed into this  Whitehorse scheme not

02:14:08.439 --> 02:14:10.119
scheme the open

02:14:10.199 --> 02:14:12.960
space  I think what we also know is

02:14:13.039 --> 02:14:14.560
that as councilors we've been heavily

02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:16.479
involved in this as well and officers

02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:19.039
and and quite diverse across the whole

02:14:19.119 --> 02:14:21.000
organization many many different

02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:23.039
departments have had an input into this

02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:24.720
there have been hundreds and hundreds of

02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:27.039
hours of Officer time and consultant

02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:29.680
time on working on this particular

02:14:29.760 --> 02:14:31.279
docent as you can see I've shown you

02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:34.079
before the docent is extensive so what

02:14:34.159 --> 02:14:36.079
this particular motion is today is to

02:14:36.159 --> 02:14:38.399
say let's put this out to the community

02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:40.199
let's see what the community has to say

02:14:40.279 --> 02:14:42.800
about this we welcome your feedback all

02:14:42.880 --> 02:14:44.720
feedback that's what we want we want all

02:14:44.800 --> 02:14:47.119
the feedback and  we've got to keep in

02:14:47.199 --> 02:14:48.479
mind a number of

02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:51.520
things 40.5% of resid students do not

02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:56.000
speak English at home 41.5% are born or

02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:58.920
have one o parent born overseas so we

02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:01.439
need to look at how we do our open space

02:15:01.520 --> 02:15:04.319
facilities differently to ensure

02:15:04.399 --> 02:15:08.600
cultural inclusion and Equitable access

02:15:08.680 --> 02:15:10.760
and a variety of experiences for all

02:15:10.840 --> 02:15:13.239
ages these are some of the important

02:15:13.319 --> 02:15:15.359
aspects of this

02:15:15.439 --> 02:15:19.359
particular strategy so counselors  I

02:15:19.439 --> 02:15:21.199
think we need to just consider the this

02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:23.680
is a really important docent it will

02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:26.760
obviously require  funding and that is

02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:28.880
part what we're doing  to actually

02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:31.319
look at how we fund this  and at the

02:15:31.399 --> 02:15:36.119
moment currently looking at 4% of our 

02:15:36.199 --> 02:15:38.880
contribution rate going up to 7% as an

02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:41.039
average Municipal rate and potentially

02:15:41.119 --> 02:15:44.359
10% in the high density Precinct mayor I

02:15:44.439 --> 02:15:46.359
commend the motion thank you very hard

02:15:46.439 --> 02:15:48.359
to get through all of that thank you

02:15:48.439 --> 02:15:50.119
Council Cuts there's a lot of positives

02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:52.920
in the report I agree  councelor

02:15:53.000 --> 02:15:55.399
Monroe  well thank you mayor  quite

02:15:55.479 --> 02:15:57.640
a comprehensive introduction  from

02:15:57.720 --> 02:15:59.720
councelor cuts and so I'll just start at

02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:02.279
the end so  there is a threshold of

02:16:02.359 --> 02:16:04.079
course when you're paying it's when

02:16:04.159 --> 02:16:06.560
you're subdividing multiple properties

02:16:06.640 --> 02:16:08.199
 that's when the open space

02:16:08.279 --> 02:16:10.760
contribution Cuts in just to conclude

02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:12.760
councilor Cuts Point  so the purpose

02:16:12.840 --> 02:16:15.800
of the strategy May is  for the Open

02:16:15.880 --> 02:16:18.359
Space strategy 2024 provide an overall

02:16:18.439 --> 02:16:20.840
framework and strategic direction for

02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:22.520
future provision planning design and

02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:24.840
management of the public open space

02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:29.119
Network in our city and  we expect

02:16:29.199 --> 02:16:31.560
that to be over the next 15 years  the

02:16:31.640 --> 02:16:34.200
life of of this plan so the last the

02:16:34.280 --> 02:16:36.520
last plan was 2007 and so we're now

02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:38.760
doing  

02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:41.200
2024  and the strategy considers both

02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:42.959
the existing situation the forecast

02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:45.799
change in population growth that Council

02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:48.239
Cuts  alluded to and those figures

02:16:48.319 --> 02:16:49.680
seem to be bouncing around a bit the

02:16:49.760 --> 02:16:52.239
srl's got some figures and some of the

02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:54.040
other  government departments got

02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:55.559
other figures sometimes they talk about

02:16:55.639 --> 02:16:57.280
population sometimes they talk about

02:16:57.360 --> 02:16:59.319
number of dwellings and I guess you got

02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:01.760
to extrapolate what the average

02:17:01.840 --> 02:17:03.799
population per dwelling is and that that

02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:05.920
can vary so the process we've gone

02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:07.920
through  five phases we've done the

02:17:08.000 --> 02:17:09.559
background research we've done the

02:17:09.639 --> 02:17:11.840
stakeholder and Community consultation

02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:14.000
that's quite extensive  there's

02:17:14.079 --> 02:17:16.559
internal consultation in our planning

02:17:16.639 --> 02:17:18.399
department our parks and natural

02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:21.000
environment our active Community Sports

02:17:21.079 --> 02:17:23.200
transport local laws dog management

02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:25.159
major transport projects sustainability

02:17:25.239 --> 02:17:26.920
we've also talked to Parks Victoria

02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:28.959
Melbourne Water Department of energy

02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:31.719
environment climate action and the 

02:17:31.799 --> 02:17:34.520
rery War run cultural heritage

02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:37.360
Aboriginal Corporation so  their

02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:38.879
groups that we've consulted with to get

02:17:38.959 --> 02:17:41.280
to this point what we're proposing

02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:43.360
tonight is to approve the draft Open

02:17:43.440 --> 02:17:45.559
Space strategy to go out  for the

02:17:45.639 --> 02:17:47.719
community and then we can  that's

02:17:47.799 --> 02:17:50.040
phase four and then phase five  come

02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:53.440
back and adopt  a final Open Space

02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:56.399
strategy so  as Council Cuts alluded

02:17:56.479 --> 02:17:57.920
to there are a couple of reports

02:17:58.000 --> 02:18:00.879
underpinning the  motion before us and

02:18:00.959 --> 02:18:03.639
the report in tonight's Council agenda

02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:06.200
 and I commend the mo oh well the last

02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:08.159
thing I'll say is the importance of open

02:18:08.239 --> 02:18:10.159
space has perhaps never been greater

02:18:10.239 --> 02:18:13.120
particularly as we're got an increasing

02:18:13.200 --> 02:18:14.959
densification particularly in somewhere

02:18:15.040 --> 02:18:17.879
like boxill but  but also on our

02:18:17.959 --> 02:18:19.440
transport corridors a lot more people

02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:21.959
living in  high density accommodation

02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:24.520
apartments and the like so our public

02:18:24.600 --> 02:18:26.879
open space has to carry a greater load

02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:29.639
and has a greater importance and so

02:18:29.719 --> 02:18:32.360
hence  the Open Space strategy before

02:18:32.440 --> 02:18:35.040
us hence that we have there is a cost to

02:18:35.120 --> 02:18:38.440
that  and so it's an increasing cost

02:18:38.520 --> 02:18:40.200
 land is getting increasingly

02:18:40.280 --> 02:18:42.399
expensive and it's getting increasingly

02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:44.680
difficult to find large  Parcels of

02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:48.520
land  so we have to be smart strategic

02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:50.799
when those opportunities come up and we

02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:52.239
take an opportunity just recently

02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:54.760
adjacent to boxill golf course and 

02:18:54.840 --> 02:18:56.799
bought a site that was slated for nine

02:18:56.879 --> 02:18:59.399
townhouse development but  have fed

02:18:59.479 --> 02:19:01.559
that into I think the mayor's looking at

02:19:01.639 --> 02:19:03.399
me yes that's in the public

02:19:03.479 --> 02:19:07.200
domain is it it's not  just  just

02:19:07.280 --> 02:19:09.239
finding out from the CEO if it's in the

02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:11.319
public domain now it is thank you

02:19:11.399 --> 02:19:13.719
Council M I'm putting it on my Facebook

02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:17.719
 I I didn't fully complete but I do

02:19:17.799 --> 02:19:20.280
believe I saw them I was concerned that

02:19:20.360 --> 02:19:22.840
the May look concerned

02:19:22.920 --> 02:19:25.959
  perhaps at the end of my speech

02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:28.639
there can be clarification keep going 

02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.159
I commend the motion and I hope I

02:19:31.239 --> 02:19:33.000
haven't breached any confidentiality in

02:19:33.079 --> 02:19:35.680
the process

02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:38.319
May Council Barker I have an

02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:40.399
amendment and what is your Amendment

02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:43.399
Council Barker my amendment is about the

02:19:43.479 --> 02:19:45.440
methodology used to calculate open

02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:47.159
public space it's about writing to the

02:19:47.239 --> 02:19:50.959
minister for planning the MV and the VGA

02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:53.479
Eastern group highlighting the inequity

02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:57.600
in it  and the and then also to seek

02:19:57.680 --> 02:19:59.280
the preparation of publication of an

02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:02.000
Annex titled open space innovation in

02:20:02.079 --> 02:20:04.159
precincts undergoing transformational

02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:06.360
change which looks at non-traditional

02:20:06.440 --> 02:20:07.920
open space Supply

02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:10.879
[Music]

02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:13.360
Concepts thank you Council Baka do you

02:20:13.440 --> 02:20:15.319
have a

02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:19.600
second  yes mayor councilor Davenport

02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:21.600
Council Barker well thanks very much may

02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:24.959
and I thank  council's cuts and Monroe

02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:28.040
for their introduction these amendments

02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:30.319
are important because my assessment of

02:20:30.399 --> 02:20:31.959
the plan is that it's inadequate it's

02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:33.920
linear and it's old and tied and

02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:36.719
conventional approach to a highly

02:20:36.799 --> 02:20:39.440
nonlinear and asymmetric problem if

02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:42.120
gargant of proportions and in many ways

02:20:42.200 --> 02:20:43.920
I think it's could potentially be at

02:20:44.000 --> 02:20:46.280
odds with the state housing objectives

02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:48.319
Al the docent claims to be Innovative

02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:50.559
I'm not sure if anything that's huge

02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:52.360
hugely Innovative in it might be okay

02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:54.760
for large parts of the city yet I don't

02:20:54.840 --> 02:20:56.600
think it's adequate for those areas

02:20:56.680 --> 02:20:58.799
undergoing transformational

02:20:58.879 --> 02:21:01.360
change consider if you will me the RS of

02:21:01.440 --> 02:21:03.079
our multi-deck car parks and you know

02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:04.879
I've advocated for basketball table

02:21:04.959 --> 02:21:08.680
tennis picnic table shade and grass look

02:21:08.760 --> 02:21:11.200
at the new space over the rail Corridor

02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:14.000
at Mont Albert the two multi-deck car

02:21:14.079 --> 02:21:16.719
parks in Box Hill offer

02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:19.280
7,250 square meters of potential for new

02:21:19.360 --> 02:21:21.200
recreation space

02:21:21.280 --> 02:21:23.000
free to the air and we could do it for a

02:21:23.079 --> 02:21:26.079
couple hundred grand buying

02:21:26.159 --> 02:21:30.879
7,250 square m of boxill commercial land

02:21:30.959 --> 02:21:36.319
would cost us $63 million okay it's not

02:21:36.399 --> 02:21:39.079
a patch of land it's not perfect but it

02:21:39.159 --> 02:21:42.719
offers remarkable utility we cannot let

02:21:42.799 --> 02:21:46.319
perfect be the enemy of good and none of

02:21:46.399 --> 02:21:48.879
us none of this is discussed here

02:21:48.959 --> 02:21:51.879
because we need really creative thinking

02:21:51.959 --> 02:21:55.600
and action not just higher taxes and I'd

02:21:55.680 --> 02:21:57.920
like to go to the what I feel is the

02:21:58.000 --> 02:21:59.079
blatant

02:21:59.159 --> 02:22:01.879
inequity and consider the social Equity

02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:04.559
aspects of this proposed policy Braven

02:22:04.639 --> 02:22:06.760
and gusen call it the absence of

02:22:06.840 --> 02:22:09.559
systemic disparities Simon buys a

02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:11.840
townhouse in Boxville he's going to pay

02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:15.360
72,000 bucks open space in the price

02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:17.959
Denise buys an apartment of vicinity

02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:20.120
another three-bedroom dwelling she'll

02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:24.559
pay $4,000 in open space Pro that builds

02:22:24.639 --> 02:22:28.479
35 build to rent units Apartments will

02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:30.920
pay nothing in open

02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:35.520
space that is systemic inequity that is

02:22:35.600 --> 02:22:38.799
not fair and what that does is it skews

02:22:38.879 --> 02:22:41.639
investment decisions and it skews the

02:22:41.719 --> 02:22:45.760
policy towards people deliberately doing

02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:48.440
things to minimize the cost because make

02:22:48.520 --> 02:22:52.399
no mistake the public open space becomes

02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:55.639
embedded in the price of the property

02:22:55.719 --> 02:22:58.479
just as the cost of building and the

02:22:58.559 --> 02:23:00.840
inherent value of the land does so

02:23:00.920 --> 02:23:02.399
anyone tries to tell you the developer

02:23:02.479 --> 02:23:04.680
will pay it that's not true the new

02:23:04.760 --> 02:23:06.879
family will pay it some people will pay

02:23:06.959 --> 02:23:09.520
nothing some people will pay 4 grand

02:23:09.600 --> 02:23:12.520
some people will pay 70 grand and I know

02:23:12.600 --> 02:23:14.399
that that's the way it is that's

02:23:14.479 --> 02:23:17.319
contemporary development markets but the

02:23:17.399 --> 02:23:21.479
way it's set up as Council Monroe said

02:23:21.559 --> 02:23:23.680
is it's done at the point of subdivision

02:23:23.760 --> 02:23:26.719
it's an Antiquated way of doing it and

02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:29.440
it needs to change and I really hope the

02:23:29.520 --> 02:23:31.479
state government can think about

02:23:31.559 --> 02:23:33.399
changing it as they do their plan

02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:36.399
Melbourne because quite clearly for it

02:23:36.479 --> 02:23:39.360
to be Equitable and this is not equality

02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:41.239
per the sort of Labor greens Club at

02:23:41.319 --> 02:23:43.440
Monash University this is about social

02:23:43.520 --> 02:23:45.600
Equity as a foundation principle of

02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:48.319
public policy development it would make

02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.639
far more sense that if it was on a per

02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:53.520
dwelling basis so that you know your

02:23:53.600 --> 02:23:56.440
vicinities and all those people pay more

02:23:56.520 --> 02:23:57.879
they don't pay more because they spend

02:23:57.959 --> 02:24:00.680
20 million bucks knock up 500 Apartments

02:24:00.760 --> 02:24:03.520
Beno pays 2 million bucks knocks up

02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:04.680
three

02:24:04.760 --> 02:24:07.799
townies ends up paying 70 ends up paying

02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:09.479
4 grand and then prove with the bill to

02:24:09.559 --> 02:24:11.159
rent pays

02:24:11.239 --> 02:24:14.040
nothing we can't have that we've moved

02:24:14.120 --> 02:24:17.079
on the policy has moved on the public

02:24:17.159 --> 02:24:19.520
open space is so important we've got to

02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:21.959
think outside the square and we' got to

02:24:22.040 --> 02:24:23.760
think and the government state

02:24:23.840 --> 02:24:25.079
government needs to think outside the

02:24:25.159 --> 02:24:27.079
square in terms of how they apply it

02:24:27.159 --> 02:24:29.440
this is a great one this is about

02:24:29.520 --> 02:24:31.879
advocacy this is about an advocacy that

02:24:31.959 --> 02:24:34.040
can solve the problem for large parts of

02:24:34.120 --> 02:24:36.559
Melbourne that are doing it we need to

02:24:36.639 --> 02:24:39.120
think we need to think more broadly

02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:41.280
because we need action now and we need

02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:43.280
action quickly we're never going to be

02:24:43.360 --> 02:24:44.920
able to I hate to tell councel me you

02:24:45.000 --> 02:24:46.600
we're never going to be able to find and

02:24:46.680 --> 02:24:49.319
consolidate eight blocks of house blocks

02:24:49.399 --> 02:24:52.079
in s Hills to put a decent dog park on

02:24:52.159 --> 02:24:54.600
it would take a generation to do it so

02:24:54.680 --> 02:24:58.920
please this is constructive it's finding

02:24:59.000 --> 02:25:01.920
a way please support

02:25:02.000 --> 02:25:04.879
it thank you councelor Barker councelor

02:25:04.959 --> 02:25:06.639
devort than thank you mayor and this

02:25:06.719 --> 02:25:09.120
amendment just does  three three parts

02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:11.399
it doesn't detract from the release of

02:25:11.479 --> 02:25:13.920
the Open Space strategy to the community

02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:17.159
for consultation what it does do is it

02:25:17.239 --> 02:25:19.520
it does highlight a number of points

02:25:19.600 --> 02:25:21.440
with regards to to how open space

02:25:21.520 --> 02:25:24.159
contributions calculated that regime's

02:25:24.239 --> 02:25:27.520
been in place for a number of years and

02:25:27.600 --> 02:25:29.440
and market dynamics are certainly moved

02:25:29.520 --> 02:25:31.879
on from then know when the open space

02:25:31.959 --> 02:25:34.760
contribution system was set up was way

02:25:34.840 --> 02:25:37.760
way before 2007 so it's been around I

02:25:37.840 --> 02:25:41.000
reckon at least 20 years  we hadn't

02:25:41.079 --> 02:25:43.200
had the higher types of development that

02:25:43.280 --> 02:25:46.200
we have now we haven't had the

02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:49.760
Innovative use of  of  multi-story

02:25:49.840 --> 02:25:52.840
develop ments including  build to rent

02:25:52.920 --> 02:25:55.760
and other forms of of housing which the

02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:58.120
state government is promoting and this

02:25:58.200 --> 02:25:59.959
just highlights that there's now a gap

02:26:00.040 --> 02:26:02.520
between what what's been sought for for

02:26:02.600 --> 02:26:04.440
from state government and how

02:26:04.520 --> 02:26:07.079
contributions  especially open space

02:26:07.159 --> 02:26:09.879
is calculated now I know that  I know

02:26:09.959 --> 02:26:12.000
that mayor that we've had the 

02:26:12.079 --> 02:26:13.840
developer I think it's the

02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:17.200
infrastructure contribution scheme 

02:26:17.280 --> 02:26:19.840
that was set up that's not based on land

02:26:19.920 --> 02:26:21.719
being split it's it's based on a

02:26:21.799 --> 02:26:23.920
different type of formula and it's about

02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:26.440
time that this particular type of open

02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:28.760
space contribution is reviewed and

02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:31.600
that's all that Parts two and three talk

02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:33.959
about is that it's time for that be that

02:26:34.040 --> 02:26:36.760
be done and that's done predominantly by

02:26:36.840 --> 02:26:39.280
state government now part four is one

02:26:39.360 --> 02:26:41.399
that I'm particularly interested in it's

02:26:41.479 --> 02:26:43.760
about Innovative use of open

02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:45.440
space

02:26:45.520 --> 02:26:49.440
 now as what council Barker alluded to

02:26:49.520 --> 02:26:51.799
car parks in boxill top

02:26:51.879 --> 02:26:56.639
level hardly ever used especially in 

02:26:56.719 --> 02:26:59.600
especially in Haro street that could be

02:26:59.680 --> 02:27:02.799
considered about a transformation  to

02:27:02.879 --> 02:27:05.680
see how that would work and maybe that

02:27:05.760 --> 02:27:08.440
could that could be an approach that we

02:27:08.520 --> 02:27:10.399
could look at in terms of this

02:27:10.479 --> 02:27:11.920
additional

02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:14.520
Annex there are other types of open

02:27:14.600 --> 02:27:17.760
space that perhaps are more restricted

02:27:17.840 --> 02:27:21.200
May that could less so be less be less

02:27:21.280 --> 02:27:23.920
so restricted  and that could be

02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:27.440
looked at in terms of innovation as well

02:27:27.520 --> 02:27:30.440
and so on those particular points I'm

02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:35.319
I'm happy to  accept and recommend

02:27:35.399 --> 02:27:38.840
that these amendments be added to this

02:27:38.920 --> 02:27:41.079
motion thank you

02:27:41.159 --> 02:27:43.680
mayor thank you Council Davenport is

02:27:43.760 --> 02:27:46.360
there another

02:27:48.680 --> 02:27:51.440
speaker there being no further speakers

02:27:51.520 --> 02:27:53.879
sorry mayor yes councilor ski didn't

02:27:53.959 --> 02:27:56.799
mean to be slow I'm sorry  thank you

02:27:56.879 --> 02:27:59.319
 I'd just like to make the comment

02:27:59.399 --> 02:28:01.319
that  while I'm listening I'm growing

02:28:01.399 --> 02:28:04.799
in sympathy towards  Parts two and

02:28:04.879 --> 02:28:07.559
three it's a fairly wordy way of

02:28:07.639 --> 02:28:09.399
expressing them but I think the essence

02:28:09.479 --> 02:28:12.079
is that we understand that  some

02:28:12.159 --> 02:28:14.440
review is overdue I want to note that

02:28:14.520 --> 02:28:16.280
the Department of Transport and planning

02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:18.639
is at the moment undertaking without a

02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:21.399
known time frame a developer including

02:28:21.479 --> 02:28:24.399
open space contributions  review 

02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.799
but I do warm to the idea that we

02:28:26.879 --> 02:28:28.840
Advocate more strongly that that be part

02:28:28.920 --> 02:28:31.920
of  the plan Victoria thinking and be

02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:34.760
more front of mind  the concern I do

02:28:34.840 --> 02:28:38.760
have though May is with part four  I'm

02:28:38.840 --> 02:28:41.319
not clear that I understand it I'm not

02:28:41.399 --> 02:28:43.920
sure that I like or respect the

02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:46.680
implication that the draft strategy as

02:28:46.760 --> 02:28:50.280
it is in front of us is not innovative I

02:28:50.360 --> 02:28:52.280
think essentially what it is is an

02:28:52.360 --> 02:28:56.760
excellent brella that gives us 15year

02:28:56.840 --> 02:29:00.079
coverage  in the form of guidelines

02:29:00.159 --> 02:29:02.600
under which a whole lot of things that

02:29:02.680 --> 02:29:05.479
will be about local Solutions and the

02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:09.159
continued evolution of policy and best

02:29:09.239 --> 02:29:11.000
problem solving approaches that they

02:29:11.079 --> 02:29:14.840
will continue to  come as part of all

02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:16.559
of the other docents and other sub

02:29:16.639 --> 02:29:18.040
strategies if you like that will sit

02:29:18.120 --> 02:29:20.479
underneath this brella

02:29:20.559 --> 02:29:23.200
 I'm not supportive of anything

02:29:23.280 --> 02:29:25.200
additional being asked of officers at

02:29:25.280 --> 02:29:26.920
this point and I think the phase four

02:29:27.000 --> 02:29:29.079
that  councelor manro so carefully

02:29:29.159 --> 02:29:31.280
outlined should be allowed to run its

02:29:31.360 --> 02:29:32.920
course and then we come back to phase

02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:35.520
five and there may be Evolutions in

02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:37.920
future I I would in that vein therefore

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:39.680
may ask if you could take it in parts

02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:41.920
please or at least separate out part

02:29:42.000 --> 02:29:46.680
four I will  put the motion in parts

02:29:46.760 --> 02:29:49.639
that's that does work and  we can do

02:29:49.719 --> 02:29:51.879
that May if I could be

02:29:51.959 --> 02:29:54.399
helpful what is your comment councilor

02:29:54.479 --> 02:29:56.959
Barker  briefly I've got a question

02:29:57.040 --> 02:30:00.680
for Miss Le I think implied in councelor

02:30:00.760 --> 02:30:03.040
skill's objection to point four is that

02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:06.239
it might be unnecessarily honorous Miss

02:30:06.319 --> 02:30:09.399
Le do you think how do you envisage

02:30:09.479 --> 02:30:11.760
point4  manifesting and do you think

02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:13.799
that is unnecessarily honorous and

02:30:13.879 --> 02:30:16.239
what's your view on point four Miss

02:30:16.319 --> 02:30:18.600
leik point of point point of order

02:30:18.680 --> 02:30:21.040
that's not a question could you please

02:30:21.120 --> 02:30:23.840
no it is not for an officer to give

02:30:23.920 --> 02:30:27.239
their opinion is it unnecessarily is it

02:30:27.319 --> 02:30:29.440
unnecessarily honorous and what's your

02:30:29.520 --> 02:30:31.520
view of what this would require of your

02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:34.399
staff point of order may there's not a

02:30:34.479 --> 02:30:36.159
there's not enough detail I would

02:30:36.239 --> 02:30:38.040
suspect for an officer to give an

02:30:38.120 --> 02:30:39.959
opinion of of such

02:30:40.040 --> 02:30:42.360
YK respectfully mayor this was developed

02:30:42.440 --> 02:30:45.000
with officers officers wrote this not

02:30:45.079 --> 02:30:48.079
me thank you Council

02:30:48.159 --> 02:30:52.879
Barker I will stay that point 4 has 

02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:54.360
little

02:30:54.440 --> 02:30:58.040
detail and I'm if you would like to

02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:00.959
speak Miss leic but you don't have to

02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:04.920
give your personal opinion at

02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:12.559
all thank you mayor  officers are able

02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:16.159
to respond to that recommendation we can

02:31:16.239 --> 02:31:18.440
deliver what's requested

02:31:18.520 --> 02:31:21.840
in and would there be a significant

02:31:21.920 --> 02:31:24.239
amount of work to that which I think was

02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:28.520
a question councilor Skilbeck was 

02:31:28.600 --> 02:31:30.879
wondering what I would envisage is that

02:31:30.959 --> 02:31:33.319
it is a high level aspirational

02:31:33.399 --> 02:31:35.239
statement around the innovations that

02:31:35.319 --> 02:31:37.520
could be applied to respond to the

02:31:37.600 --> 02:31:41.479
innate needs of those areas that are

02:31:41.559 --> 02:31:43.639
perhaps challenged by the

02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:45.479
transformational change as that that

02:31:45.559 --> 02:31:47.200
recommendation suggests so it would be a

02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:50.200
high level statement of aspiration not a

02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:53.959
detailed assessment of the

02:31:54.440 --> 02:31:57.399
opportunities thank you for the

02:31:57.479 --> 02:32:01.440
clarification speak May councilor Lane

02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:03.319
thank you may Council skillbeck took

02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:05.799
most of what I was going to say  as

02:32:05.879 --> 02:32:08.040
well requesting for it to be put in

02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:10.280
parts and certainly agree with two and

02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:12.319
three and four I did have also had an

02:32:12.399 --> 02:32:14.879
issue with and that is I still believe

02:32:14.959 --> 02:32:16.760
there's a lack of detail to understand

02:32:16.840 --> 02:32:19.959
and I have an issue of it being an and

02:32:20.040 --> 02:32:23.200
based on the response we just received I

02:32:23.280 --> 02:32:24.920
also have a bit of an issue with the

02:32:25.000 --> 02:32:27.000
direction of it being an Annex to the

02:32:27.079 --> 02:32:29.120
draft Open Space strategy I think it's a

02:32:29.200 --> 02:32:30.920
a briefing docent as opposed to an

02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:33.959
Annex to a strategy and I certainly

02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:35.959
wouldn't support making an Annex to a

02:32:36.040 --> 02:32:38.879
strategy when we haven't seen it  I

02:32:38.959 --> 02:32:40.280
want to see what's in it before I'd

02:32:40.360 --> 02:32:42.639
agree to having it part of any strategy

02:32:42.719 --> 02:32:45.959
so I would urge councils to vote against

02:32:46.040 --> 02:32:48.280
part

02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:52.840
four thank you councilor Lan speakers

02:32:52.920 --> 02:32:55.799
councilor L thank you mayor look I think

02:32:55.879 --> 02:32:57.879
councelor Barker raises some good points

02:32:57.959 --> 02:33:01.239
particularly with two and three and  I

02:33:01.319 --> 02:33:02.760
certainly think that there's a capacity

02:33:02.840 --> 02:33:06.360
for Council to certainly  Advocate 

02:33:06.440 --> 02:33:08.959
to the state government in that respect

02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:12.399
 in relation to point four

02:33:12.479 --> 02:33:15.760
 my sort of thoughts around that is

02:33:15.840 --> 02:33:19.360
whether or not it would be better

02:33:19.440 --> 02:33:21.920
consider considered post Community

02:33:22.000 --> 02:33:23.520
consultation because I'd like to hear

02:33:23.600 --> 02:33:27.239
what the community 's feedback is and

02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:29.200
I and I think that certainly  that

02:33:29.280 --> 02:33:32.479
would  feed into my consideration of

02:33:32.559 --> 02:33:35.120
 the Open Space strategy moving

02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.159
forward as well so whether or not point

02:33:37.239 --> 02:33:39.680
four could be  looked at post

02:33:39.760 --> 02:33:41.440
Community consultation I mean that's

02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:43.719
that's a question to to council Barker

02:33:43.799 --> 02:33:44.879
thank

02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:47.639
you thank you Council L is there another

02:33:47.719 --> 02:33:50.719
speaker

02:33:51.239 --> 02:33:54.120
there being no further speakers

02:33:54.200 --> 02:33:58.360
oh okay then I will speak May okay

02:33:58.440 --> 02:34:01.840
Council Cuts so I do understand where

02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:04.319
Council Barker is going with this  and

02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:06.200
I know he has concerns for the amount of

02:34:06.280 --> 02:34:08.200
public open space contributions but I

02:34:08.280 --> 02:34:10.399
just want to draw council's attention to

02:34:10.479 --> 02:34:14.120
some areas which have got much High

02:34:14.200 --> 02:34:16.079
higher contributions than we do for

02:34:16.159 --> 02:34:17.760
example there are parts of marunda which

02:34:17.840 --> 02:34:20.719
have got 8% contribu ution rate that was

02:34:20.799 --> 02:34:25.360
effective 2024 mes has gone from 5 to

02:34:25.440 --> 02:34:29.639
7.61% in 2023 glenar has gone from 5.7

02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:32.000
to 88.3% in

02:34:32.079 --> 02:34:35.479
2022 KNX for some areas is now a minim

02:34:35.559 --> 02:34:37.239
of 8.5%

02:34:37.319 --> 02:34:41.399
2018  Manningham 8% for growth areas

02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:44.440
 and and city of burar is currently 5%

02:34:44.520 --> 02:34:45.719
but they're looking to do a new Open

02:34:45.799 --> 02:34:49.360
Space strategy so I do believe that we

02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:51.120
need need to understand that we need to

02:34:51.200 --> 02:34:52.799
increase the public contribution because

02:34:52.879 --> 02:34:54.680
we will not be able to deliver all the

02:34:54.760 --> 02:34:56.479
things in in these particular things

02:34:56.559 --> 02:34:59.959
here  strategies and the  technical

02:35:00.040 --> 02:35:02.319
report point of order

02:35:02.399 --> 02:35:05.479
mayor councilor you I believe Council

02:35:05.559 --> 02:35:10.000
Barker's  Amendment looks at the

02:35:10.079 --> 02:35:12.239
inequality of the calculation

02:35:12.319 --> 02:35:16.239
methodology and not the yeah correct yes

02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:18.520
so there's no suggestion that we change

02:35:18.600 --> 02:35:24.079
from the  percentage in the report 

02:35:24.159 --> 02:35:27.440
but  it's you're giving data which

02:35:27.520 --> 02:35:29.879
actually supports I think the percentage

02:35:29.959 --> 02:35:31.959
we have in the report that's right and

02:35:32.040 --> 02:35:33.760
the other thing I'd wish to finish up is

02:35:33.840 --> 02:35:38.479
that  the contribution rate  okay

02:35:38.559 --> 02:35:39.959
will actually go through a rigorous

02:35:40.040 --> 02:35:42.719
planning scheme amendment process which

02:35:42.799 --> 02:35:44.879
 following the endorsement of the was

02:35:44.959 --> 02:35:48.120
so this is a only a part of the process

02:35:48.200 --> 02:35:50.520
I guess but I I do support what is what

02:35:50.600 --> 02:35:53.520
is in the  the amendment thank you

02:35:53.600 --> 02:35:56.000
mayor thank you there are no further

02:35:56.079 --> 02:36:00.280
speakers as I said we would vote in

02:36:00.360 --> 02:36:04.799
parts so we will go from in order

02:36:04.879 --> 02:36:10.120
neric order and  the F the first

02:36:10.200 --> 02:36:12.840
part which is actually what the

02:36:12.920 --> 02:36:17.079
substantive motion said

02:36:18.079 --> 02:36:20.239
originally now we're doing one then

02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:22.840
we're doing two then three then four

02:36:22.920 --> 02:36:26.879
we'll do them all I think just all right

02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.639
so first part all those in

02:36:31.719 --> 02:36:35.520
favor that's that was part point one oh

02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:36.799
but that's a subst that's not the

02:36:36.879 --> 02:36:39.360
amendment that's a substantive but this

02:36:39.440 --> 02:36:41.079
is we're going through the amendment in

02:36:41.159 --> 02:36:44.319
parts so this is the first no but aren't

02:36:44.399 --> 02:36:46.120
we wasn't the amendment just to add

02:36:46.200 --> 02:36:48.200
three parts like cuz I wanted to speak

02:36:48.280 --> 02:36:51.520
on the actual report

02:36:52.200 --> 02:36:53.520
okay

02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:55.920
that's we'll do

02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:59.319
one all right one two and

02:36:59.399 --> 02:37:01.840
three two three two three and four I

02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:03.280
think they're W but we wanted to

02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:08.079
separate yes sear yeah we'll do two

02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:10.239
firstly then three then four we'll

02:37:10.319 --> 02:37:12.879
separate them out as we had intended

02:37:12.959 --> 02:37:16.639
okay so we'll vote on the

02:37:16.719 --> 02:37:18.799
amendment whether or not that is

02:37:18.879 --> 02:37:20.159
accepted

02:37:20.239 --> 02:37:23.079
okay point two firstly all those in

02:37:23.159 --> 02:37:25.120
favor carried

02:37:25.200 --> 02:37:27.879
unanimously point

02:37:27.959 --> 02:37:31.680
three all those in

02:37:32.520 --> 02:37:35.920
favor carried

02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:43.120
unanimously point

02:37:44.399 --> 02:37:49.120
four all those in favor

02:37:50.000 --> 02:37:51.959
those in favor councelor Barker

02:37:52.040 --> 02:37:54.719
councelor cuts and councel Davenport

02:37:54.799 --> 02:37:57.879
those against councelor mcneel councelor

02:37:57.959 --> 02:38:00.559
stennet councelor Monroe councelor

02:38:00.639 --> 02:38:03.639
massud councelor Leu councelor Skilbeck

02:38:03.719 --> 02:38:06.159
councelor Lane councelor

02:38:06.239 --> 02:38:10.440
Car item four is not

02:38:10.520 --> 02:38:13.280
continuing so we now have a new

02:38:13.360 --> 02:38:15.799
substantive with points one two and

02:38:15.879 --> 02:38:18.879
three

02:38:21.479 --> 02:38:25.719
we'll just wait for it to show on the

02:38:30.959 --> 02:38:35.520
screen there we go  so this is now the

02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:37.040
new

02:38:37.120 --> 02:38:41.239
substantive with points one two and

02:38:41.319 --> 02:38:44.639
three are there any speakers yes mayor

02:38:44.719 --> 02:38:47.319
councilor dport so mayor I think that 

02:38:47.399 --> 02:38:49.360
the overall the strategy is one that is

02:38:49.440 --> 02:38:52.200
is worthy to go to  members of the

02:38:52.280 --> 02:38:53.719
community to have a look at each

02:38:53.799 --> 02:38:56.520
Precinct is quite detailed in terms of

02:38:56.600 --> 02:38:59.559
ideas to increase our public open space

02:38:59.639 --> 02:39:02.440
or change the nature of our public open

02:39:02.520 --> 02:39:04.799
space there are two areas of concern

02:39:04.879 --> 02:39:06.239
that I do want to hear back from the

02:39:06.319 --> 02:39:08.879
community on the first is the proposed

02:39:08.959 --> 02:39:12.040
increase of the rate from 4% to in the

02:39:12.120 --> 02:39:14.559
in the order of 7% and I heard counselor

02:39:14.639 --> 02:39:17.559
Cuts earlier specify an even higher rate

02:39:17.639 --> 02:39:19.399
for Box Hill but I don't believe I've

02:39:19.479 --> 02:39:21.120
heard that in the public domain as yet

02:39:21.200 --> 02:39:24.479
so I won't repeat that rate

02:39:24.559 --> 02:39:27.000
 what I'm concerned about is that we

02:39:27.079 --> 02:39:29.719
have over $50 million in  open space

02:39:29.799 --> 02:39:34.000
from our 2007 strategy as yet

02:39:34.079 --> 02:39:36.159
undeployed now we were in the chamber a

02:39:36.239 --> 02:39:39.120
few months ago stopping the siphon May

02:39:39.200 --> 02:39:41.200
stopping the siphon because the idea was

02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:43.000
to siphon that money and put it into

02:39:43.079 --> 02:39:46.040
swimming pools and basketball courts the

02:39:46.120 --> 02:39:49.319
actual place where these particular 

02:39:49.399 --> 02:39:53.079
open space contribution should go is to

02:39:53.159 --> 02:39:56.040
deliver the Open Space strategy now we

02:39:56.120 --> 02:39:59.159
were going to siphon off a substantial

02:39:59.239 --> 02:40:01.559
proportion of that and then increase the

02:40:01.639 --> 02:40:03.920
rate on the other side my concern is

02:40:04.000 --> 02:40:06.280
that this increase of rate is going to

02:40:06.360 --> 02:40:08.399
be used in the future as a siphon for

02:40:08.479 --> 02:40:10.479
other projects and I personally think

02:40:10.559 --> 02:40:12.639
that's not right we should only tax what

02:40:12.719 --> 02:40:15.680
we need to tax  in terms of open space

02:40:15.760 --> 02:40:17.639
contributions to deliver better open

02:40:17.719 --> 02:40:20.040
space outcomes that's a first area I'm

02:40:20.120 --> 02:40:21.760
I'm interested to hear back from the

02:40:21.840 --> 02:40:24.920
community on the second aspect is what I

02:40:25.000 --> 02:40:29.120
would call the differences between the

02:40:29.200 --> 02:40:30.719
structure planning work that the

02:40:30.799 --> 02:40:33.559
Suburban raal Loop's doing in bwood and

02:40:33.639 --> 02:40:35.280
what's in the Open Space strategy that

02:40:35.360 --> 02:40:36.719
we're going to put out to

02:40:36.799 --> 02:40:38.600
consultation there's some areas of

02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:40.680
overlap but a lot of areas that we say

02:40:40.760 --> 02:40:42.799
we need to raise this extra space and

02:40:42.879 --> 02:40:45.399
and and money for it's being overtaken

02:40:45.479 --> 02:40:47.079
by events and in my view there's a

02:40:47.159 --> 02:40:50.200
section there that I think should be

02:40:50.280 --> 02:40:55.559
 not not  weighed upon heavily when

02:40:55.639 --> 02:40:58.239
we go to consultation now specifics in

02:40:58.319 --> 02:41:01.920
in the WD Ward  where additional

02:41:02.000 --> 02:41:04.479
catchment areas are identified that are

02:41:04.559 --> 02:41:08.799
within 200 300 M walk from a park are

02:41:08.879 --> 02:41:11.399
areas that I don't think need additional

02:41:11.479 --> 02:41:13.959
open space or walking over a main road

02:41:14.040 --> 02:41:17.200
that has a has a  a crossing a

02:41:17.280 --> 02:41:19.559
signalized Crossing doesn't need to be

02:41:19.639 --> 02:41:22.360
con considered and further if you live

02:41:22.440 --> 02:41:25.120
near the boundary and there's open space

02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:27.440
in mes or bur

02:41:27.520 --> 02:41:29.559
andara that hasn't been considered

02:41:29.639 --> 02:41:31.799
either in this particular policy and

02:41:31.879 --> 02:41:33.200
that's what I want to hear back from the

02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:35.280
community on is whether or not we should

02:41:35.360 --> 02:41:38.040
take a regional approach to open space

02:41:38.120 --> 02:41:40.799
and not just our little

02:41:40.879 --> 02:41:45.000
patch within the boxill South area 

02:41:45.079 --> 02:41:48.440
the  cornfield Reserve is one that is

02:41:48.520 --> 02:41:50.840
e marked for B but in my view should

02:41:50.920 --> 02:41:53.760
stay the same size anyway mayor there

02:41:53.840 --> 02:41:55.840
are My Views and given that I don't have

02:41:55.920 --> 02:41:58.000
to speak for or against I'll leave it up

02:41:58.079 --> 02:41:59.520
to you to determine if there's a right

02:41:59.600 --> 02:42:02.079
or reply thank you mayor thank you

02:42:02.159 --> 02:42:03.120
councilor

02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:04.959
devonport yes

02:42:05.040 --> 02:42:09.719
may  Council L thank you councilors

02:42:09.799 --> 02:42:12.440
we've seen significant growth  across

02:42:12.520 --> 02:42:15.120
Whitehorse and our Melbourne in general

02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:17.479
but I think it's clear that the need for

02:42:17.559 --> 02:42:20.959
more open space provision is certainly

02:42:21.040 --> 02:42:24.959
 Paramount in my view open space and

02:42:25.040 --> 02:42:27.959
open space networks need to be strategic

02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:30.440
holistic relevant and of high quality

02:42:30.520 --> 02:42:32.479
and I think the draft Open Space

02:42:32.559 --> 02:42:35.360
strategy before us tonight does Factor

02:42:35.440 --> 02:42:39.280
 these in with the growth in Box Hill

02:42:39.360 --> 02:42:41.840
and anticipated increase in population

02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:45.000
contributed also by the srl project and

02:42:45.079 --> 02:42:47.799
the recent draft housing targets Open

02:42:47.879 --> 02:42:50.920
Spaces definitely in in dire

02:42:51.000 --> 02:42:53.479
need the draft Open Space strategy

02:42:53.559 --> 02:42:55.559
identifies open space gaps and

02:42:55.639 --> 02:42:57.440
shortfalls and how these shortfalls will

02:42:57.520 --> 02:42:59.920
be addressed and improvements to the

02:43:00.000 --> 02:43:03.719
existing open space in the in mitol I

02:43:03.799 --> 02:43:05.200
also note the community's interest in

02:43:05.280 --> 02:43:09.280
the former boxill brick Wes site while

02:43:09.360 --> 02:43:10.879
the land is privately owned the

02:43:10.959 --> 02:43:12.280
community can be assured that Council

02:43:12.360 --> 02:43:14.079
continues to Advocate and explore

02:43:14.159 --> 02:43:16.840
opportunities on this

02:43:16.920 --> 02:43:19.920
front I'm also of the view Council is

02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:22.719
that the allocation of the open space

02:43:22.799 --> 02:43:25.520
funds towards open space acquisition

02:43:25.600 --> 02:43:27.799
creation conversion and upgrade should

02:43:27.879 --> 02:43:30.559
be proportional to the open space

02:43:30.639 --> 02:43:33.200
contribution by area similar to our

02:43:33.280 --> 02:43:35.799
developer contribution plan I think this

02:43:35.879 --> 02:43:37.719
ensures transparency equity and

02:43:37.799 --> 02:43:39.879
addresses the needs  to the areas that

02:43:39.959 --> 02:43:41.680
are experiencing more intense

02:43:41.760 --> 02:43:43.959
development and growth but that being

02:43:44.040 --> 02:43:46.760
said  I think it is important for the

02:43:46.840 --> 02:43:49.399
draft to go for community consultation

02:43:49.479 --> 02:43:51.600
in the first instance and I certainly

02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:55.200
look forward to the feedback thank you

02:43:55.280 --> 02:43:57.719
mayor thank you Council L councelor

02:43:57.799 --> 02:44:01.040
Barker May I'm confident I've delivered

02:44:01.120 --> 02:44:02.959
my election promise of more parks and

02:44:03.040 --> 02:44:04.600
better parks that are more people more

02:44:04.680 --> 02:44:07.280
useful to more people more often but I

02:44:07.360 --> 02:44:10.760
do stand by my comments that this is 

02:44:10.840 --> 02:44:13.639
not a contemporary approach and I find

02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:16.799
it is inadequate and linear and that our

02:44:16.879 --> 02:44:21.520
challenge is truly a symmetric and

02:44:21.600 --> 02:44:23.719
gargantuan and I'm actually really proud

02:44:23.799 --> 02:44:25.520
of our thinking and action today whilst

02:44:25.600 --> 02:44:28.399
you wouldn't know it in this docent in

02:44:28.479 --> 02:44:32.760
my area 53,000 Square met of space has

02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:35.799
been opened in my area City oval and

02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:38.920
hagenau reserve for decades were locked

02:44:39.000 --> 02:44:39.959
to the

02:44:40.040 --> 02:44:42.760
public they're now unlocked anyone can

02:44:42.840 --> 02:44:44.520
enjoy them when they're not a game of

02:44:44.600 --> 02:44:48.200
footy or Athletics on 30,000 square m

02:44:48.280 --> 02:44:50.600
soon to be 60 ,000 Square met of oval

02:44:50.680 --> 02:44:52.479
space has been unlocked with on demand

02:44:52.559 --> 02:44:54.840
lights I love seeing it cuz I can see

02:44:54.920 --> 02:44:57.000
them all from my house when I'm on back

02:44:57.079 --> 02:44:58.959
deck I can see the mon Elbert Reserve

02:44:59.040 --> 02:45:01.200
lights on I can see them at springy Park

02:45:01.280 --> 02:45:03.920
people are loving it it's really

02:45:04.000 --> 02:45:06.200
important several kilometers of linear

02:45:06.280 --> 02:45:08.079
Park have been unlocked with Solar Smart

02:45:08.159 --> 02:45:10.399
Park lights all done for less than 50

02:45:10.479 --> 02:45:12.799
Grand helps women the elderly those that

02:45:12.879 --> 02:45:14.680
aren't confident at walking at night

02:45:14.760 --> 02:45:16.000
it's really easy when you're an old

02:45:16.079 --> 02:45:18.079
bloke and you got a big dog to walk dark

02:45:18.159 --> 02:45:19.840
paths at night

02:45:19.920 --> 02:45:21.399
but for those that aren't as confident

02:45:21.479 --> 02:45:23.959
in the night as I am we're providing

02:45:24.040 --> 02:45:26.520
them space to be used and I don't think

02:45:26.600 --> 02:45:29.399
this reports adequately considered how

02:45:29.479 --> 02:45:31.159
people use our city at night in

02:45:31.239 --> 02:45:33.239
particular the Open Spaces and the

02:45:33.319 --> 02:45:36.000
massive opportunity to unlock people's

02:45:36.079 --> 02:45:37.760
freedom to exercise at night and the

02:45:37.840 --> 02:45:39.920
ladies at mon Albert Reserve that gave

02:45:40.000 --> 02:45:41.680
us the idea that like walking their dogs

02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:43.879
at 6:00 in the morning in Winter where

02:45:43.959 --> 02:45:45.440
we put the lights on for them and

02:45:45.520 --> 02:45:48.120
councilor mcneils knows just how popular

02:45:48.200 --> 02:45:50.200
that's been but none of that was has

02:45:50.280 --> 02:45:54.280
been  discussed in here and I've SP

02:45:54.360 --> 02:45:56.239
I'll I'll take my hit on the 

02:45:56.319 --> 02:46:00.600
Innovative uses but 70,000 people in

02:46:00.680 --> 02:46:02.879
boxill and we're going to the community

02:46:02.959 --> 02:46:04.479
to say we're going to try and find a

02:46:04.559 --> 02:46:06.479
little pocket park in the center of Fox

02:46:06.559 --> 02:46:08.479
Hill well I'll tell you what councelor

02:46:08.559 --> 02:46:11.319
Leo I just hope people don't drag effes

02:46:11.399 --> 02:46:13.319
of us and hang them off the city town

02:46:13.399 --> 02:46:15.959
hall because if I knew there were

02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:18.959
70,000 new people going in one square

02:46:19.040 --> 02:46:21.319
mile of Box Hill and we're going to give

02:46:21.399 --> 02:46:22.879
him a little pocket

02:46:22.959 --> 02:46:26.079
park I'll be pretty disappointed I'll be

02:46:26.159 --> 02:46:27.760
thinking that my political

02:46:27.840 --> 02:46:30.000
Representatives haven't been listening

02:46:30.079 --> 02:46:31.799
and I can assure you mayor I've been

02:46:31.879 --> 02:46:33.680
listening very carefully to people

02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:35.360
councilor Leo's been listening carefully

02:46:35.440 --> 02:46:37.239
to people she's heard about the brick

02:46:37.319 --> 02:46:39.680
works I have too haven't mentioned much

02:46:39.760 --> 02:46:42.000
about it tonight of this privately held

02:46:42.079 --> 02:46:44.079
asset and we'll see where that Journey

02:46:44.159 --> 02:46:45.399
may

02:46:45.479 --> 02:46:48.879
take point of order I mean have some

02:46:48.959 --> 02:46:52.559
have some respect for God's sake this is

02:46:52.639 --> 02:46:54.520
ridiculous that's not a point of order

02:46:54.600 --> 02:46:57.360
Madam man well it is for me oh there you

02:46:57.440 --> 02:47:00.879
go it is for you  thank you counselors

02:47:00.959 --> 02:47:02.479
I

02:47:02.559 --> 02:47:05.440
understand just rather than naming other

02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:09.319
counselors just put your argents

02:47:09.399 --> 02:47:11.639
please so I have a number of concerns

02:47:11.719 --> 02:47:13.319
with this Madame May and I don't think

02:47:13.399 --> 02:47:15.399
they've been adequately captured in the

02:47:15.479 --> 02:47:17.399
docent and  let's see what the

02:47:17.479 --> 02:47:20.840
community have to say about it

02:47:21.600 --> 02:47:25.000
thank you Council Baka any further

02:47:25.079 --> 02:47:28.920
speakers yep councelor mcneel  thank

02:47:29.000 --> 02:47:32.440
you mayor and councilors and yes  I I

02:47:32.520 --> 02:47:36.280
certainly   support this going out

02:47:36.360 --> 02:47:39.319
to  Community consultation simply

02:47:39.399 --> 02:47:41.040
because I want to hear from the

02:47:41.120 --> 02:47:44.920
community about parks that are in areas

02:47:45.000 --> 02:47:49.399
close in proximity to Box Hill in my my

02:47:49.479 --> 02:47:52.440
situation but also bwood as well for

02:47:52.520 --> 02:47:55.760
those at that area of the city

02:47:55.840 --> 02:47:58.239
connectivity taking advantage of

02:47:58.319 --> 02:48:01.239
opportunities to acquire Land close to

02:48:01.319 --> 02:48:05.159
existing open space is a good strategy

02:48:05.239 --> 02:48:08.959
so where we have existing open space if

02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:13.120
we can more effectively  acquire open

02:48:13.200 --> 02:48:15.680
space next door you know the derelict

02:48:15.760 --> 02:48:18.040
house that's next door to the to the

02:48:18.120 --> 02:48:19.159
park

02:48:19.239 --> 02:48:22.159
if we can acquire that and add to the

02:48:22.239 --> 02:48:25.280
existing open space that is very good

02:48:25.360 --> 02:48:27.120
use of our

02:48:27.200 --> 02:48:29.680
resources and I'd love to hear from the

02:48:29.760 --> 02:48:33.000
growing number of users of places like

02:48:33.079 --> 02:48:36.799
ashall reserve and garc chain more more

02:48:36.879 --> 02:48:40.799
plantings and more creative play spaces

02:48:40.879 --> 02:48:43.680
what what ideas does the community have

02:48:43.760 --> 02:48:46.840
to  use these places cuz these these

02:48:46.920 --> 02:48:49.239
parks are very relatively close

02:48:49.319 --> 02:48:52.000
to Box Hill and they are getting

02:48:52.079 --> 02:48:56.559
increasingly used g chain is very very

02:48:56.639 --> 02:48:59.079
popular and so is ashore reserve and

02:48:59.159 --> 02:49:02.239
we're just  officers at the moment are

02:49:02.319 --> 02:49:06.799
doing a   a crossover at  ashall

02:49:06.879 --> 02:49:10.559
Reserve  trell Street and  straban

02:49:10.639 --> 02:49:13.559
Avenue it's become so popular that

02:49:13.639 --> 02:49:17.200
little Park how can we improve that and

02:49:17.280 --> 02:49:19.799
as I said people from there do walk as

02:49:19.879 --> 02:49:23.159
far as into Box Hill and with the srl

02:49:23.239 --> 02:49:26.079
coming that means that these parks are

02:49:26.159 --> 02:49:29.280
going to get used a lot lot

02:49:29.360 --> 02:49:33.520
more Kingsley Gardens is so close to Box

02:49:33.600 --> 02:49:36.520
Hill as well and I want to hear from the

02:49:36.600 --> 02:49:40.079
community as to how we can better 

02:49:40.159 --> 02:49:43.120
utilize that and  you know what can we

02:49:43.200 --> 02:49:45.559
do to improve the play spaces what can

02:49:45.639 --> 02:49:49.600
we do to improve improve  access to

02:49:49.680 --> 02:49:52.200
all different opportunities in that park

02:49:52.280 --> 02:49:53.760
because there going to be so many

02:49:53.840 --> 02:49:56.879
different people using that Park it's

02:49:56.959 --> 02:49:58.600
not just not going to just be a

02:49:58.680 --> 02:50:00.920
neighborhood park in future it's going

02:50:01.000 --> 02:50:04.000
to be an important park for people from

02:50:04.079 --> 02:50:09.399
both Mont Albert and from  from  Box

02:50:09.479 --> 02:50:13.000
Hill and  mont mont Albert Reserve

02:50:13.079 --> 02:50:15.559
Council bark has all already mentioned

02:50:15.639 --> 02:50:18.959
you know tree canopy  trees more cany

02:50:19.040 --> 02:50:21.319
trees near the outdoor hardcourt

02:50:21.399 --> 02:50:23.959
basketball area that's really

02:50:24.040 --> 02:50:26.360
important and  the only the other

02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:29.479
thing that I want to mention  is in s

02:50:29.559 --> 02:50:35.280
Hills and  that is an upgrade of Mont

02:50:35.360 --> 02:50:39.159
of  Russell Reserve which is really

02:50:39.239 --> 02:50:43.000
not being utilized very well and boy D

02:50:43.079 --> 02:50:46.639
Reserve major upgrade most important to

02:50:46.719 --> 02:50:48.239
improve the character and increase

02:50:48.319 --> 02:50:50.799
divers University of facilities there

02:50:50.879 --> 02:50:52.559
thank you mayor and

02:50:52.639 --> 02:50:55.040
counselors thank you councelor mcneel

02:50:55.120 --> 02:50:57.959
are there any further

02:50:59.639 --> 02:51:02.840
speakers there being no further speakers

02:51:02.920 --> 02:51:05.200
I will put the motion which is the

02:51:05.280 --> 02:51:07.719
substantive motion now on the screen to

02:51:07.799 --> 02:51:11.239
the vote all those in

02:51:11.319 --> 02:51:15.760
favor carried unanimously

02:51:19.399 --> 02:51:22.159
we now move to item 10.5 the Whitehorse

02:51:22.239 --> 02:51:24.280
Community grants program

02:51:24.360 --> 02:51:26.079
2024 to

02:51:26.159 --> 02:51:28.399
2025 as I declared earlier in the

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:31.079
meeting I have a conflict of interest in

02:51:31.159 --> 02:51:33.879
one part of this item councilor

02:51:33.959 --> 02:51:37.719
Davenport will n now take over as chair

02:51:37.799 --> 02:51:41.799
 mayor before you do I'm actually

02:51:41.879 --> 02:51:46.760
proposing to move  a deferral

02:51:47.040 --> 02:51:50.520
motion I like

02:51:51.639 --> 02:51:53.959
all right then I won't leave because

02:51:54.040 --> 02:51:56.079
this is a deferral motion it's not about

02:51:56.159 --> 02:51:59.799
the content of the motion so we will 

02:51:59.879 --> 02:52:04.159
allow you to move the motion to

02:52:04.239 --> 02:52:07.559
defer point of order mayor I'm just want

02:52:07.639 --> 02:52:09.760
did governance provide advice around

02:52:09.840 --> 02:52:11.559
that

02:52:11.639 --> 02:52:15.120
I I have no no no in terms of your

02:52:15.200 --> 02:52:19.319
ability to  oversee this motion even

02:52:19.399 --> 02:52:20.879
though there is an element within the

02:52:20.959 --> 02:52:25.120
motion  that you're declaring a

02:52:25.200 --> 02:52:27.920
conflict I think there's still a

02:52:28.000 --> 02:52:30.959
relationship oh well I'm happy to go out

02:52:31.040 --> 02:52:33.479
and counsil have report can do it but of

02:52:33.559 --> 02:52:36.920
course in deferring it I really I think

02:52:37.000 --> 02:52:38.639
it wouldn't matter but I'm happy to

02:52:38.719 --> 02:52:41.799
leave and govern says no issue that's

02:52:41.879 --> 02:52:45.639
fine they've said that

02:52:45.719 --> 02:52:49.360
what it's not a consideration

02:52:49.440 --> 02:52:51.200
okay so it's not a consideration of the

02:52:51.280 --> 02:52:54.399
actual Grant and therefore I can sit in

02:52:54.479 --> 02:52:56.399
the in the chair to go through the

02:52:56.479 --> 02:52:57.639
deferral

02:52:57.719 --> 02:52:59.920
motion thank you for the consideration

02:53:00.000 --> 02:53:02.959
though counselor Monroe all right

02:53:03.040 --> 02:53:06.040
councelor stenard if you would like to

02:53:06.120 --> 02:53:10.200
put your what you're wanting to  move

02:53:10.280 --> 02:53:12.120
 yes mayor just up on the screen just

02:53:12.200 --> 02:53:14.520
wanting to defer the item until our next

02:53:14.600 --> 02:53:18.399
meeting thank you

02:53:18.959 --> 02:53:21.680
okay councilors you can see that  do

02:53:21.760 --> 02:53:24.600
you have a second councilor Senate yes

02:53:24.680 --> 02:53:28.399
councelor mcneel counc stenard  thank

02:53:28.479 --> 02:53:30.000
you mayor

02:53:30.079 --> 02:53:33.559
 believe that there are some

02:53:33.639 --> 02:53:36.440
unresolved matters that  could be

02:53:36.520 --> 02:53:39.159
helped with the passage of time to Def

02:53:39.239 --> 02:53:41.520
defer this item for councilors and

02:53:41.600 --> 02:53:43.159
Council officers to seek further

02:53:43.239 --> 02:53:45.600
information about  items contained in

02:53:45.680 --> 02:53:50.040
the  Community grants

02:53:52.319 --> 02:53:53.920
councilor

02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:57.399
mcneel I have nothing to

02:53:57.479 --> 02:54:00.479
add are there any further speakers yes

02:54:00.559 --> 02:54:02.520
mayor councilor Davenport well thank you

02:54:02.600 --> 02:54:04.520
mayor and earlier tonight when the gall

02:54:04.600 --> 02:54:06.239
was full there were a number of items

02:54:06.319 --> 02:54:07.840
that were brought to our attention this

02:54:07.920 --> 02:54:10.280
evening about discount free tipping

02:54:10.360 --> 02:54:14.200
especially around  Eastern  Eastern

02:54:14.280 --> 02:54:16.959
 emergency relief sorry I was thinking

02:54:17.040 --> 02:54:19.000
of a different acronym

02:54:19.079 --> 02:54:22.200
 Eastern emergency relief we also had

02:54:22.280 --> 02:54:24.680
a written statement made by one

02:54:24.760 --> 02:54:28.120
particular service club and then also

02:54:28.200 --> 02:54:29.840
another submission that was made

02:54:29.920 --> 02:54:32.280
verbally this evening my view it's

02:54:32.360 --> 02:54:34.600
imprudent to go and vote on a matter

02:54:34.680 --> 02:54:36.920
straight up we've done it before when

02:54:37.000 --> 02:54:38.920
we've when we've had speakers and then

02:54:39.000 --> 02:54:40.680
we've tried to do things on the flight

02:54:40.760 --> 02:54:43.159
doesn't work I've leared from that 

02:54:43.239 --> 02:54:44.799
the best thing that we can do is is

02:54:44.879 --> 02:54:46.719
defer consider the matters that have

02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:49.760
been raised tonight  by members of the

02:54:49.840 --> 02:54:51.840
community that have put their views

02:54:51.920 --> 02:54:54.719
forward  and then consider that at the

02:54:54.799 --> 02:54:57.639
next council meeting thank you

02:54:57.719 --> 02:55:00.559
may thank you councilor dport is there a

02:55:00.639 --> 02:55:02.920
further

02:55:03.000 --> 02:55:05.040
speaker they're not being a further

02:55:05.120 --> 02:55:08.280
speaker I will put the motion to the

02:55:08.360 --> 02:55:12.120
vote all those in

02:55:12.360 --> 02:55:16.280
favor councelor mcneel councelor State

02:55:16.360 --> 02:55:19.440
councelor Barker coun counc Davenport

02:55:19.520 --> 02:55:23.040
councelor Cuts those

02:55:23.120 --> 02:55:26.479
against councelor car councelor Lane

02:55:26.559 --> 02:55:28.319
councelor Skilbeck

02:55:28.399 --> 02:55:32.040
councelor U councelor massud councelor

02:55:32.120 --> 02:55:35.920
Monroe the motion is

02:55:39.719 --> 02:55:43.840
defeated I will now declare as I said a

02:55:43.920 --> 02:55:46.879
a conflict and I will pass the chair to

02:55:46.959 --> 02:55:49.840
councelor Davenport

02:55:49.920 --> 02:55:52.239
tell me

02:55:53.520 --> 02:55:56.719
what all

02:55:57.399 --> 02:56:00.280
right do I have something like a part

02:56:00.360 --> 02:56:02.319
motion or something like that or do I

02:56:02.399 --> 02:56:03.600
just do the

02:56:03.680 --> 02:56:06.639
whole

02:56:06.719 --> 02:56:09.840
[Music]

02:56:14.040 --> 02:56:18.360
y okay all right counselors  I think

02:56:18.440 --> 02:56:20.760
the officers have done is extracted the

02:56:20.840 --> 02:56:24.079
element of tonight's discussion to be

02:56:24.159 --> 02:56:26.479
just the element that the mayor has 

02:56:26.559 --> 02:56:28.559
declared a conflict of interest on it's

02:56:28.639 --> 02:56:29.639
the first time I've seen the

02:56:29.719 --> 02:56:31.840
recommendation so I read it for everyone

02:56:31.920 --> 02:56:33.479
the council endorses the funding

02:56:33.559 --> 02:56:36.239
allocation for the n Avenue Neighborhood

02:56:36.319 --> 02:56:38.959
House at alley of 1600 as part of the

02:56:39.040 --> 02:56:41.399
overall Whitehorse Community Grant I'll

02:56:41.479 --> 02:56:43.559
seek a

02:56:43.639 --> 02:56:46.120
mover happy to move happy

02:56:46.200 --> 02:56:49.520
to thank you  C counc Monroe moved and

02:56:49.600 --> 02:56:52.159
seconded I'll recognize Council Lou

02:56:52.239 --> 02:56:53.280
councel

02:56:53.360 --> 02:56:56.200
Monroe  nothing further to add M

02:56:56.280 --> 02:56:58.079
Deputy Mayor it's on the screen for all

02:56:58.159 --> 02:57:00.879
to see thank you and Council Lou no

02:57:00.959 --> 02:57:02.920
further comments is there anyone that

02:57:03.000 --> 02:57:05.760
wants to speak on this particular item

02:57:05.840 --> 02:57:09.760
itself no I'll put the  motion to the

02:57:09.840 --> 02:57:12.600
vote all those in

02:57:12.680 --> 02:57:15.840
favor carried unanimously thank you

02:57:15.920 --> 02:57:17.840
everyone and I ask  the mayor to be

02:57:17.920 --> 02:57:21.719
brought back into the chamber

02:57:54.399 --> 02:57:57.239
we now move to item

02:57:57.319 --> 02:58:00.479
10.5 which is the balance of the

02:58:00.559 --> 02:58:02.319
community

02:58:02.399 --> 02:58:05.479
grants mayor I have a I'd seek to move

02:58:05.559 --> 02:58:07.879
it with an amendment to Clause number

02:58:07.959 --> 02:58:10.319
two

02:58:13.239 --> 02:58:16.200
please what and and Clause number one so

02:58:16.280 --> 02:58:20.120
Clause number one increase

02:58:25.239 --> 02:58:28.239
242,655

02:58:28.760 --> 02:58:33.000
$366 and  Clause number two endorses a

02:58:33.079 --> 02:58:35.440
funding

02:58:37.879 --> 02:58:42.719
allocation yeah yeah and delete that

02:58:42.799 --> 02:58:45.200
that 8,000

02:58:45.280 --> 02:58:48.719
again yep yep and then number two

02:58:48.799 --> 02:58:51.159
it's after the word

02:58:51.239 --> 02:58:55.319
allocation  increasing by 8,000

02:58:55.399 --> 02:58:57.959
from and then and that's in the text

02:58:58.040 --> 02:59:00.399
that you had earlier this evening so the

02:59:00.479 --> 02:59:02.280
the effect of the addition is to

02:59:02.360 --> 02:59:07.760
increase the overall funding pool by 808

02:59:07.840 --> 02:59:11.840
$8,000 overall and that goes to the

02:59:11.920 --> 02:59:17.760
discount support free tipping voucher

02:59:24.520 --> 02:59:26.639
is there a

02:59:26.719 --> 02:59:29.079
second  don't want me to read it out

02:59:29.159 --> 02:59:32.239
word for word number two it it's

02:59:32.319 --> 02:59:36.040
endorses a funding allocation increasing

02:59:36.120 --> 02:59:40.680
by 8,000 from what

02:59:40.920 --> 02:59:44.079
15,330 as previously resolved by Council

02:59:44.159 --> 02:59:49.559
on 27 November 2023 to

02:59:49.639 --> 02:59:52.879
23330 it's in the it's in the 

02:59:52.959 --> 02:59:56.319
paragraph that we had at my Amendment 

02:59:56.399 --> 02:59:58.879
it's it's counselor I won't say who it

02:59:58.959 --> 03:00:00.719
is it was that was in

03:00:00.799 --> 03:00:02.920
confidential but it was the one that I

03:00:03.000 --> 03:00:05.280
saw earlier this evening May and I've

03:00:05.360 --> 03:00:07.280
had to think on my feet because the

03:00:07.360 --> 03:00:08.680
deferral didn't get

03:00:08.760 --> 03:00:12.040
up so you are moving the substantive

03:00:12.120 --> 03:00:14.959
with an amendment do you have a seconder

03:00:15.040 --> 03:00:17.479
happy to move me  yeah again it's not

03:00:17.559 --> 03:00:19.760
it's not written properly but if they

03:00:19.840 --> 03:00:22.680
can get it the text that'll

03:00:22.760 --> 03:00:26.159
help mayor I I think it's an error

03:00:26.239 --> 03:00:28.079
Council devonport I didn't think the

03:00:28.159 --> 03:00:29.760
there was a proposal to increase the

03:00:29.840 --> 03:00:32.559
overall funding allocation it was to

03:00:32.639 --> 03:00:35.600
take $8,000 yeah no

03:00:35.680 --> 03:00:39.000
yeah that's why I agreed to the deferral

03:00:39.079 --> 03:00:41.879
because we had some additional info

03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:43.920
there's a debate about can you rob peter

03:00:44.000 --> 03:00:46.399
to PayPal I'm just saying just just

03:00:46.479 --> 03:00:48.399
increase the pie

03:00:48.479 --> 03:00:51.319
that's what I'm doing

03:00:56.680 --> 03:00:59.600
tonight that is contrary to the budget

03:00:59.680 --> 03:01:00.559
which we

03:01:00.639 --> 03:01:02.879
approved yeah that's okay we have cost

03:01:02.959 --> 03:01:06.760
blowouts Shadow an amendment to remove

03:01:06.840 --> 03:01:11.399
it all right now we have got  you are

03:01:11.479 --> 03:01:13.520
moving with an amendment with councelor

03:01:13.600 --> 03:01:15.079
cuts

03:01:15.159 --> 03:01:19.200
seconding okay

03:01:19.280 --> 03:01:21.280
thus councilor

03:01:21.360 --> 03:01:24.440
Davenport speak to your amended motion

03:01:24.520 --> 03:01:25.879
well thank thank you mayor and I did

03:01:25.959 --> 03:01:27.479
listen to a lot of with a lot of

03:01:27.559 --> 03:01:29.200
interest earlier tonight a number of

03:01:29.280 --> 03:01:31.959
community groups that rely on discount

03:01:32.040 --> 03:01:35.280
tip vouchers have had their allocations

03:01:35.360 --> 03:01:37.920
reduced off previous years because as a

03:01:38.000 --> 03:01:41.079
counselor cohort we had agreed in on the

03:01:41.159 --> 03:01:46.079
27th of November 2023 to reduce our 

03:01:46.159 --> 03:01:48.319
allocation and spend to the discount

03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:51.639
tipping voucher  system Now understand

03:01:51.719 --> 03:01:53.399
why that decision was made at the time

03:01:53.479 --> 03:01:55.639
may we looked at all the discount

03:01:55.719 --> 03:01:58.079
vouches that were put out worked out

03:01:58.159 --> 03:02:00.040
that half of them weren't cashed or

03:02:00.120 --> 03:02:02.000
thereabouts that type of percentage and

03:02:02.079 --> 03:02:04.920
so we we reduced the amount at the time

03:02:05.000 --> 03:02:06.840
what I didn't think about was what about

03:02:06.920 --> 03:02:08.680
the ones that use all their allocation

03:02:08.760 --> 03:02:11.680
and now they're getting their allocation

03:02:11.760 --> 03:02:14.639
slashed my view we need to help members

03:02:14.719 --> 03:02:16.600
of the community that do all of these

03:02:16.680 --> 03:02:19.239
recycling efforts we've heard speakers

03:02:19.319 --> 03:02:21.479
here tonight we need to consider what

03:02:21.559 --> 03:02:24.360
the work that they do their volunteer

03:02:24.440 --> 03:02:26.520
hours that put in their efforts the fact

03:02:26.600 --> 03:02:28.520
that they try and recycle what they can

03:02:28.600 --> 03:02:31.639
they want to take the remainder to our

03:02:31.719 --> 03:02:34.760
waste and recy recycling

03:02:34.840 --> 03:02:37.879
center I don't want to get in a a debate

03:02:37.959 --> 03:02:40.000
about robbing Peter to pay Paul this

03:02:40.079 --> 03:02:42.360
evening because the advice that we've

03:02:42.440 --> 03:02:44.440
got is that we can sort of Tinker at the

03:02:44.520 --> 03:02:46.559
edges with overall principles and

03:02:46.639 --> 03:02:48.159
policies but then the office officers

03:02:48.239 --> 03:02:51.399
need to then Implement what's

03:02:51.479 --> 03:02:55.520
set my view mayor on the we made a

03:02:55.600 --> 03:02:58.200
decision on that 15,000 without

03:02:58.280 --> 03:03:00.440
understanding the impacts it would have

03:03:00.520 --> 03:03:03.159
on our community members and our

03:03:03.239 --> 03:03:06.000
volunteer groups within the community

03:03:06.079 --> 03:03:08.719
and may unfortunately we do have cost

03:03:08.799 --> 03:03:10.879
blowouts all the time that come back to

03:03:10.959 --> 03:03:13.200
council and without baton an eyelid

03:03:13.280 --> 03:03:16.360
will'll will approve an additional spend

03:03:16.440 --> 03:03:18.719
this is one where council is at the time

03:03:18.799 --> 03:03:20.959
I didn't have all of the information I

03:03:21.040 --> 03:03:22.959
didn't I didn't fully I wasn't fully

03:03:23.040 --> 03:03:25.959
aware of how this particular spend would

03:03:26.040 --> 03:03:29.639
then be filtered down to members of the

03:03:29.719 --> 03:03:32.520
community now we know the impacts now we

03:03:32.600 --> 03:03:35.239
know those unintended consequences and

03:03:35.319 --> 03:03:38.440
now's the time that we can Rectify that

03:03:38.520 --> 03:03:41.239
I'm not saying to boost one group by X

03:03:41.319 --> 03:03:43.360
and another group by why that's up to

03:03:43.440 --> 03:03:44.239
the

03:03:44.319 --> 03:03:46.719
officers but what I am saying is that

03:03:46.799 --> 03:03:49.479
that Pi should be increased the amounts

03:03:49.559 --> 03:03:52.079
that have been approved  tonight and

03:03:52.159 --> 03:03:53.920
who they go to they should get those

03:03:54.000 --> 03:03:57.000
allocations with this extra

03:03:57.079 --> 03:03:59.639
8,000 the officer should go and work out

03:03:59.719 --> 03:04:02.120
how to divy it up based on the needs of

03:04:02.200 --> 03:04:03.719
the community members that have put

03:04:03.799 --> 03:04:07.079
forward now I've heard some speeches

03:04:07.159 --> 03:04:11.280
tonight so is everyone else councilors

03:04:11.360 --> 03:04:16.239
$8,000 in a $220 million budget it's not

03:04:16.319 --> 03:04:19.600
that much money but it does a lot of the

03:04:19.680 --> 03:04:22.479
multiplier effect in the community with

03:04:22.559 --> 03:04:24.719
all the work that those volunteers put

03:04:24.799 --> 03:04:29.479
forward does a great deal of of more

03:04:29.559 --> 03:04:33.040
work than some of the cost escalations

03:04:33.120 --> 03:04:36.760
that we get in other jobs or in fact if

03:04:36.840 --> 03:04:39.159
that community group didn't do that

03:04:39.239 --> 03:04:41.040
particular work and then we end up with

03:04:41.120 --> 03:04:43.959
a lot more landfill coming our way that

03:04:44.040 --> 03:04:46.159
we've heard tonight or the extra

03:04:46.239 --> 03:04:48.600
partnership work that we'd have to cover

03:04:48.680 --> 03:04:51.760
because volunteers no longer do

03:04:51.840 --> 03:04:55.040
that councilors I urge your support to

03:04:55.120 --> 03:04:57.959
increase this  amount to take account

03:04:58.040 --> 03:05:00.159
of what's been said by members of the

03:05:00.239 --> 03:05:02.399
community about our discount tipping

03:05:02.479 --> 03:05:04.120
voucher

03:05:04.200 --> 03:05:06.319
system the right thing to do as

03:05:06.399 --> 03:05:08.920
counselors is to hear from the community

03:05:09.000 --> 03:05:10.639
and then change our tact if we think

03:05:10.719 --> 03:05:11.799
it's

03:05:11.879 --> 03:05:14.440
worthwhile I think it's

03:05:14.520 --> 03:05:17.840
worthwhile and I hope you do too and

03:05:17.920 --> 03:05:19.360
just remember counsil is what's

03:05:19.440 --> 03:05:22.520
happening in no in October thank

03:05:22.600 --> 03:05:25.959
you  I'll just make a comment because

03:05:26.040 --> 03:05:28.520
it concerns me that it is in

03:05:28.600 --> 03:05:31.280
contradiction to the budget and I'm

03:05:31.360 --> 03:05:33.719
going to ask the CEO just to make a

03:05:33.799 --> 03:05:36.200
comment so that we are very aware of

03:05:36.280 --> 03:05:37.440
what we are

03:05:37.520 --> 03:05:40.159
doing and we should not be thinking

03:05:40.239 --> 03:05:42.840
about elections that is absolutely not

03:05:42.920 --> 03:05:44.959
something to take into consideration and

03:05:45.040 --> 03:05:47.200
it's a shameful suggestion councelor DAV

03:05:47.280 --> 03:05:49.639
Porton

03:05:50.040 --> 03:05:53.639
through you mayor  two points of 

03:05:53.719 --> 03:05:56.280
two points I'd like to to raise the

03:05:56.360 --> 03:05:58.520
first one relates to the amendment  on

03:05:58.600 --> 03:06:01.440
the screen  increasing the the budget

03:06:01.520 --> 03:06:04.520
of 242 to 250 I don't think it's

03:06:04.600 --> 03:06:09.280
appropriate to  alter the

03:06:09.360 --> 03:06:13.399
budget whilst in the consideration of a

03:06:13.479 --> 03:06:15.600
particular matter in this case a

03:06:15.680 --> 03:06:18.000
community grants program

03:06:18.079 --> 03:06:19.879
there's been no context there's been no

03:06:19.959 --> 03:06:21.559
review and there's been no assessment of

03:06:21.639 --> 03:06:23.399
how this might impact on the budget in

03:06:23.479 --> 03:06:27.200
in other ways so  with respect taking

03:06:27.280 --> 03:06:29.840
out the debate I don't believe that's

03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:33.879
appropriate in relation to point two 

03:06:33.959 --> 03:06:37.719
the amendment makes it clear that there

03:06:37.799 --> 03:06:41.200
was a resolution in November last year

03:06:41.280 --> 03:06:44.200
 that  effectively capped The

03:06:44.280 --> 03:06:46.840
Tipping  Arrangements that is

03:06:46.920 --> 03:06:48.879
obviously up to council to determine

03:06:48.959 --> 03:06:50.520
whether they wish to change that so I'm

03:06:50.600 --> 03:06:52.719
not going to enter into debate on that

03:06:52.799 --> 03:06:55.079
but I see a very big distinction between

03:06:55.159 --> 03:06:57.200
the amendment of0 one and point two

03:06:57.280 --> 03:07:01.760
Amendment for 0 one does  create an

03:07:01.840 --> 03:07:03.719
impact on budget which has not being

03:07:03.799 --> 03:07:05.600
considered separately outside this

03:07:05.680 --> 03:07:10.280
particular  consideration thank

03:07:10.360 --> 03:07:15.760
you thank you CEO  question yes your

03:07:15.840 --> 03:07:17.719
question counselor

03:07:17.799 --> 03:07:21.440
I if this money is not reallocated to

03:07:21.520 --> 03:07:25.000
Discount free tipping is what happens to

03:07:25.079 --> 03:07:26.520
this

03:07:26.600 --> 03:07:29.879
money we actually don't have the money

03:07:29.959 --> 03:07:31.959
because it's not in the

03:07:32.040 --> 03:07:34.920
budget may can I just ask a question for

03:07:35.000 --> 03:07:38.000
cl clarification Council Stant  just

03:07:38.079 --> 03:07:39.920
following the CEO's comments I'm

03:07:40.000 --> 03:07:42.200
intrigued so purely from an accounting

03:07:42.280 --> 03:07:43.000
point of

03:07:43.079 --> 03:07:45.879
view at what point does an amount become

03:07:45.959 --> 03:07:49.760
material to a what are we up to 250 $250

03:07:49.840 --> 03:07:51.120
million budget I wouldn't have thought

03:07:51.200 --> 03:07:54.479
$88,000 would have been

03:07:58.159 --> 03:08:00.200
material through you mayor it's not

03:08:00.280 --> 03:08:02.479
about  a matter of materiality it's

03:08:02.559 --> 03:08:05.079
about governance and process that's the

03:08:05.159 --> 03:08:08.680
issue I'm raising thank

03:08:09.760 --> 03:08:12.399
you mayor I have I have I have listened

03:08:12.479 --> 03:08:15.079
to what's being said I'm happy to I

03:08:15.159 --> 03:08:16.639
don't think I can under the governance

03:08:16.719 --> 03:08:19.079
rules but I was happy to

03:08:19.159 --> 03:08:22.000
withdraw my amendment in point number

03:08:22.079 --> 03:08:24.600
one cuz the one that I care about the

03:08:24.680 --> 03:08:26.760
voucher base not increasing the annual

03:08:26.840 --> 03:08:30.399
Cash Cash grants May so one I think can

03:08:30.479 --> 03:08:36.319
disappear and just be two may I have

03:08:36.399 --> 03:08:39.159
oh councilor Cuts you were seconding

03:08:39.239 --> 03:08:41.920
that yes mayor and I do have an

03:08:42.000 --> 03:08:43.760
alternate which is slightly different

03:08:43.840 --> 03:08:46.000
from this which I was  planning on

03:08:46.079 --> 03:08:48.959
running by the chamber point of order

03:08:49.040 --> 03:08:51.239
mayor unfortunately you were the second

03:08:51.319 --> 03:08:54.600
of council cuts and you can't so you

03:08:54.680 --> 03:08:56.760
can't put up an alterate when you're the

03:08:56.840 --> 03:08:59.520
seconder you'll have to let this run

03:08:59.600 --> 03:09:03.399
first counselor comes

03:09:03.799 --> 03:09:08.760
yeah so we have reverted point

03:09:08.840 --> 03:09:12.159
one back to the orig May it's already

03:09:12.239 --> 03:09:13.799
been moved and seconded we need to

03:09:13.879 --> 03:09:17.559
debate what is before us

03:09:17.639 --> 03:09:19.920
there

03:09:20.879 --> 03:09:23.920
second councelor Cutz when councelor

03:09:24.000 --> 03:09:27.360
Davenport proposed a change to his

03:09:27.440 --> 03:09:30.120
amended motion did you do you agree with

03:09:30.200 --> 03:09:33.680
that change

03:09:38.879 --> 03:09:42.399
 there's no

03:09:43.639 --> 03:09:47.639
guarantee recommend

03:09:50.200 --> 03:09:52.040
mayor I'll just say I'm not feeling very

03:09:52.120 --> 03:09:53.799
well at the moment so I'm just letting

03:09:53.879 --> 03:09:57.159
you know thank you okay all right

03:09:57.239 --> 03:09:59.319
well I don't know if she's approved the

03:09:59.399 --> 03:10:02.440
change or not y all right we will debate

03:10:02.520 --> 03:10:06.200
what is on the screen  which is

03:10:06.280 --> 03:10:08.559
reverting point one back to the

03:10:08.639 --> 03:10:12.319
original and point of order May the the

03:10:12.399 --> 03:10:14.159
the council devonport had moved an

03:10:14.239 --> 03:10:15.760
amendment and it had been seconded by

03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:17.920
councilor CS

03:10:18.000 --> 03:10:20.120
that's that's

03:10:20.200 --> 03:10:23.360
what he asked to he changed his point

03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:27.040
one with and I didn't hear him move an

03:10:27.120 --> 03:10:29.600
amendment to the amendment May amendment

03:10:29.680 --> 03:10:32.040
was moved and seconded and we' have not

03:10:32.120 --> 03:10:34.520
had any

03:10:35.200 --> 03:10:38.559
debate point of order mayor I think on

03:10:38.639 --> 03:10:40.760
the CEO's advice the Mover and seconder

03:10:40.840 --> 03:10:43.760
agree to remove I think the mayor should

03:10:43.840 --> 03:10:46.520
have discretion I think we can just move

03:10:46.600 --> 03:10:49.639
forward and debate what is on the screen

03:10:49.719 --> 03:10:51.079
just trying to stick up to governance

03:10:51.159 --> 03:10:54.159
and fair process

03:10:54.440 --> 03:10:57.920
mate councilor

03:11:00.559 --> 03:11:03.559
devonport  I think I think I've

03:11:03.639 --> 03:11:05.399
already made a speech to it and and so

03:11:05.479 --> 03:11:07.479
I'm going to just  I'm just going to

03:11:07.559 --> 03:11:09.840
leave at rest  on the eight grand as

03:11:09.920 --> 03:11:12.959
I've as I've counc thank you yes thank

03:11:13.040 --> 03:11:16.399
you very much mayor  so just so that

03:11:16.479 --> 03:11:18.280
the community though thousands of people

03:11:18.360 --> 03:11:22.319
still tuning in at 1019 at night  to

03:11:22.399 --> 03:11:24.639
let you know that because of operation

03:11:24.719 --> 03:11:27.239
sandon  there have been changes in

03:11:27.319 --> 03:11:29.600
governance and as a consequence of that

03:11:29.680 --> 03:11:31.719
councel input to the community grants

03:11:31.799 --> 03:11:35.120
has really basically been only bought to

03:11:35.200 --> 03:11:37.799
tonight  so we haven't had a normal

03:11:37.879 --> 03:11:39.760
Council panel to have discussions of

03:11:39.840 --> 03:11:42.239
what's in what's out and hence the 

03:11:42.319 --> 03:11:43.879
suggestion for deferral given that there

03:11:43.959 --> 03:11:46.159
are a number of amendments that are on

03:11:46.239 --> 03:11:48.639
the possibly on on the table so this is

03:11:48.719 --> 03:11:51.600
the first time  to actually have input

03:11:51.680 --> 03:11:54.000
 on Saturday I attended the trash and

03:11:54.079 --> 03:11:56.959
treasure Market in my w at the first

03:11:57.040 --> 03:12:00.559
Vermont  Scout Hall where I met with

03:12:00.639 --> 03:12:03.680
John Pullen and Bill Tomkins from

03:12:03.760 --> 03:12:06.879
Eastern emergency Leaf Network and 

03:12:06.959 --> 03:12:08.959
and Blackburn lions and I indicated to

03:12:09.040 --> 03:12:10.680
them that there was a motion coming to

03:12:10.760 --> 03:12:12.280
council and I thank them for coming in

03:12:12.360 --> 03:12:14.440
and making  their comments and I also

03:12:14.520 --> 03:12:16.840
thank  Ron Frederick who also put in a

03:12:16.920 --> 03:12:19.280
written comment given he was unable to

03:12:19.360 --> 03:12:23.079
 attend this evening  due to the 

03:12:23.159 --> 03:12:25.600
number of people who spoke but what I do

03:12:25.680 --> 03:12:29.200
want to say is that  I have

03:12:29.280 --> 03:12:30.520
confidential information about the

03:12:30.600 --> 03:12:33.520
number of tip vouchers that have been 

03:12:33.600 --> 03:12:37.760
requested by clubs and the numbers of

03:12:37.840 --> 03:12:39.799
vouchers which have been allocated and

03:12:39.879 --> 03:12:43.040
for example mayor the  Blackburn lines

03:12:43.120 --> 03:12:46.559
run for seasonal trash and treasures

03:12:46.639 --> 03:12:48.920
they they need four tipping vouchers 

03:12:49.000 --> 03:12:51.799
they they they told me they want four so

03:12:51.879 --> 03:12:54.440
I can say that Council councelor Cuts

03:12:54.520 --> 03:12:56.680
you referred to having confidential

03:12:56.760 --> 03:12:58.719
information about tipping vouchers so

03:12:58.799 --> 03:13:01.159
I'm just going to just remind you that

03:13:01.239 --> 03:13:02.639
that was your statement and not to

03:13:02.719 --> 03:13:04.559
divulge things you shouldn't oh I won't

03:13:04.639 --> 03:13:06.520
be but that was told to me so I think

03:13:06.600 --> 03:13:08.399
that that's not confidential so they

03:13:08.479 --> 03:13:10.479
told me that themselves so I don't think

03:13:10.559 --> 03:13:12.760
that's a problem  Eastern emergency

03:13:12.840 --> 03:13:15.639
relief likewise had significant numbers

03:13:15.719 --> 03:13:18.239
higher than six let let me just say that

03:13:18.319 --> 03:13:20.000
there are some in there which have been

03:13:20.079 --> 03:13:23.520
given  none correct but I think when

03:13:23.600 --> 03:13:25.920
we went through the resolution on the

03:13:26.000 --> 03:13:27.799
27th of November last year it was an

03:13:27.879 --> 03:13:30.639
officer recommendation of 15,000 it

03:13:30.719 --> 03:13:32.639
wasn't anyone else's suggestion it was

03:13:32.719 --> 03:13:35.159
an officer recommendation and we we took

03:13:35.239 --> 03:13:37.040
that as being adequate at the time I

03:13:37.120 --> 03:13:39.040
think it was 

03:13:39.120 --> 03:13:41.760
37,000 and as a consequence of that

03:13:41.840 --> 03:13:45.520
that's about oh 38% less than actually

03:13:45.600 --> 03:13:48.399
the 37,000 so it is actually encouraging

03:13:48.479 --> 03:13:51.120
people to not take vouches when they

03:13:51.200 --> 03:13:53.079
don't want them but these organizations

03:13:53.159 --> 03:13:54.799
are part of the of the circle the

03:13:54.879 --> 03:13:57.319
circular economy these people as we

03:13:57.399 --> 03:13:59.079
heard tonight are doing amazing things

03:13:59.159 --> 03:14:02.120
in our community doing much more taking

03:14:02.200 --> 03:14:04.559
metal cardboard out of waste before it

03:14:04.639 --> 03:14:06.120
goes to the chip so I think we need to

03:14:06.200 --> 03:14:08.520
acknowledge that work these people give

03:14:08.600 --> 03:14:10.520
every single bit of their money to

03:14:10.600 --> 03:14:14.559
people in need refugees  Stu

03:14:14.639 --> 03:14:16.200
University students mothers fleeing

03:14:16.280 --> 03:14:18.840
domestic violence etc etc so I think we

03:14:18.920 --> 03:14:21.719
have a responsibility I am I am actually

03:14:21.799 --> 03:14:24.799
asking counselors here sorry I'm losing

03:14:24.879 --> 03:14:29.479
my voice  to increase this by 8,000 

03:14:29.559 --> 03:14:31.520
this is a good number to actually

03:14:31.600 --> 03:14:34.440
allocate to organizations who really

03:14:34.520 --> 03:14:36.079
need this who are actually part of the

03:14:36.159 --> 03:14:39.159
solution not part of the problem C what

03:14:39.239 --> 03:14:41.639
are you asking us to increase by

03:14:41.719 --> 03:14:45.840
8,000 which part two okay point two yeah

03:14:45.920 --> 03:14:47.639
so they're part of the solution not part

03:14:47.719 --> 03:14:49.120
of the problem there and I think this

03:14:49.200 --> 03:14:51.399
chamber has taken some members of this

03:14:51.479 --> 03:14:53.440
chamber has taken the view that they are

03:14:53.520 --> 03:14:55.840
part of the problem adding to landfill

03:14:55.920 --> 03:14:57.719
and yes they are but that landfill will

03:14:57.799 --> 03:15:01.319
be on people's  nature strips and

03:15:01.399 --> 03:15:04.040
making amenity issues for everyone and

03:15:04.120 --> 03:15:06.120
actually further exacerbating the issue

03:15:06.200 --> 03:15:08.719
so mayor that that is my statement and I

03:15:08.799 --> 03:15:11.200
believe  that is what I wish to say

03:15:11.280 --> 03:15:13.559
thank you thank you and I will point out

03:15:13.639 --> 03:15:17.479
that although we adjusted item one on

03:15:17.559 --> 03:15:20.440
item two when you increase by 8,000 that

03:15:20.520 --> 03:15:22.840
8,000 needs to be found from somewhere

03:15:22.920 --> 03:15:26.680
would you like to just clarify

03:15:31.959 --> 03:15:33.799
Miss thank you mayor if I can just

03:15:33.879 --> 03:15:36.120
clarify for counselors each of these

03:15:36.200 --> 03:15:38.959
funding  pools in their own right so

03:15:39.040 --> 03:15:41.239
their first 

03:15:41.319 --> 03:15:44.799
$242,000 is a pull for the annual cash

03:15:44.879 --> 03:15:47.479
grants the second one is a pull for the

03:15:47.559 --> 03:15:49.520
discount support free tipping so any

03:15:49.600 --> 03:15:51.360
allocation to these amounts would

03:15:51.440 --> 03:15:55.399
require an additional allocation for the

03:16:00.600 --> 03:16:02.120
budget

03:16:02.200 --> 03:16:04.799
amendment so just confirming it is the

03:16:04.879 --> 03:16:08.040
same principle for item two as it was

03:16:08.120 --> 03:16:10.600
for item one I just want councilors to

03:16:10.680 --> 03:16:13.680
be informed with

03:16:15.159 --> 03:16:18.479
that are there any further speak May

03:16:18.559 --> 03:16:21.959
councilor you and thank you mayor look

03:16:22.040 --> 03:16:24.239
 I don't have an issue with free

03:16:24.319 --> 03:16:25.959
tipping vouchers in supporting our

03:16:26.040 --> 03:16:28.200
community and as some of the councilors

03:16:28.280 --> 03:16:30.120
have highlighted already our community

03:16:30.200 --> 03:16:33.040
groups do fantastic work out there but I

03:16:33.120 --> 03:16:34.120
do have an

03:16:34.200 --> 03:16:38.399
issue with process and transparency and

03:16:38.479 --> 03:16:39.360
this

03:16:39.440 --> 03:16:43.639
$88,000 to me it's it's very vague 

03:16:43.719 --> 03:16:46.319
how will it be allocated what's the

03:16:46.399 --> 03:16:49.719
process of allocation and to who I think

03:16:49.799 --> 03:16:52.239
these are missing pieces and to be

03:16:52.319 --> 03:16:54.479
honest putting this up like this 

03:16:54.559 --> 03:16:57.120
without the clarity is poor practice in

03:16:57.200 --> 03:16:59.799
my view don't support these councilors

03:16:59.879 --> 03:17:02.639
thank you I have an amendment

03:17:02.719 --> 03:17:06.120
May yes Council mon I can tell one of my

03:17:06.200 --> 03:17:07.520
Council colleagues is a little

03:17:07.600 --> 03:17:08.840
disappointed because it's going to add

03:17:08.920 --> 03:17:12.360
to the time  my amendment is to remove

03:17:12.440 --> 03:17:14.799
 the addition to 02 take out the

03:17:14.879 --> 03:17:17.319
$88,000

03:17:17.399 --> 03:17:19.239
and I'm happy to explain why if you have

03:17:19.319 --> 03:17:20.879
a second

03:17:20.959 --> 03:17:22.760
up happy to

03:17:22.840 --> 03:17:25.840
Second seconded councilor Skilbeck

03:17:25.920 --> 03:17:28.959
councilor Monroe thank you mayor I guess

03:17:29.040 --> 03:17:30.479
I'll start by saying that it's a little

03:17:30.559 --> 03:17:33.079
disappointing we have a a significant

03:17:33.159 --> 03:17:35.360
Community grants program and all we've

03:17:35.440 --> 03:17:38.600
been debating tonight is  free tipping

03:17:38.680 --> 03:17:40.600
and we've been missing the nearly

03:17:40.680 --> 03:17:41.920
quarter of a million dollars of

03:17:42.000 --> 03:17:44.760
community support and just focusing on

03:17:44.840 --> 03:17:46.319
one aspect and we did have sub

03:17:46.399 --> 03:17:47.840
submission

03:17:47.920 --> 03:17:51.159
 tonight with regards to the benefit

03:17:51.239 --> 03:17:53.639
 three organizations have received

03:17:53.719 --> 03:17:55.680
from having the free tipping but

03:17:55.760 --> 03:17:57.360
councilors I remind you and I'm a little

03:17:57.440 --> 03:17:59.360
disappointed that we're revisiting this

03:17:59.440 --> 03:18:02.479
it was  well before November last year

03:18:02.559 --> 03:18:04.280
where we sort of changed it and we we

03:18:04.360 --> 03:18:07.360
went back on a decision of a year or so

03:18:07.440 --> 03:18:09.120
earlier where we were trying to phase

03:18:09.200 --> 03:18:12.600
out the free tipping because it was

03:18:12.680 --> 03:18:15.559
inconsistent with our our commitment to

03:18:15.639 --> 03:18:19.520
reduce waste of land fill and it's about

03:18:19.600 --> 03:18:20.840
and if people think they're getting

03:18:20.920 --> 03:18:23.520
something for free  they'll think it's

03:18:23.600 --> 03:18:27.200
free but it's not free the the landfill

03:18:27.280 --> 03:18:29.719
is increasingly expensive  it's

03:18:29.799 --> 03:18:32.040
increasingly going up now I appreciate

03:18:32.120 --> 03:18:34.239
that some of these organizations do have

03:18:34.319 --> 03:18:38.399
costs of disposal  of surplus material

03:18:38.479 --> 03:18:41.440
and I do appreciate that they are doing

03:18:41.520 --> 03:18:45.440
us a service by  you know op shops and

03:18:45.520 --> 03:18:47.639
recycling in fact a news today was

03:18:47.719 --> 03:18:50.239
carrying a story quite timely on the

03:18:50.319 --> 03:18:52.360
amount of clothes that that come in and

03:18:52.440 --> 03:18:55.040
apparently only 10% of clothes taken in

03:18:55.120 --> 03:18:58.120
by op shops nationally actually get sold

03:18:58.200 --> 03:19:01.200
 the rest go to other purposes  and

03:19:01.280 --> 03:19:02.799
the reason it was a news story is the

03:19:02.879 --> 03:19:06.079
rag company that   reproduces those

03:19:06.159 --> 03:19:08.879
clothes for for Rags for industry  is

03:19:08.959 --> 03:19:11.000
going busted or it's got too much stock

03:19:11.079 --> 03:19:13.440
or there's some Financial Financial

03:19:13.520 --> 03:19:16.239
issue  but what we were trying to say

03:19:16.319 --> 03:19:18.799
to our Community is yes we support you

03:19:18.879 --> 03:19:20.440
we give all these organizations

03:19:20.520 --> 03:19:22.680
financial support but we don't want you

03:19:22.760 --> 03:19:25.559
thinking that  there is no real cost

03:19:25.639 --> 03:19:28.399
underlying the cost of of waste and so

03:19:28.479 --> 03:19:30.760
it's important these organizations think

03:19:30.840 --> 03:19:32.959
about how they run their operation how

03:19:33.040 --> 03:19:35.200
they collect Goods  and how they deal

03:19:35.280 --> 03:19:38.200
with it so we reached I believe a level

03:19:38.280 --> 03:19:41.239
of consensus on this  more than a year

03:19:41.319 --> 03:19:43.879
or so before November but then come last

03:19:43.959 --> 03:19:45.959
November there were some groups that

03:19:46.040 --> 03:19:48.760
that Council wanted to support and we

03:19:48.840 --> 03:19:51.399
eased up on the phasing out of the free

03:19:51.479 --> 03:19:54.639
tipping  but now you know we we're

03:19:54.719 --> 03:19:56.680
sort of undoing it even further again

03:19:56.760 --> 03:19:59.760
and I  and doing it on the Fly  I

03:19:59.840 --> 03:20:01.559
think is problematic we haven't really

03:20:01.639 --> 03:20:04.360
had a chance  to discuss it and and

03:20:04.440 --> 03:20:07.200
doing  you know amendments by a

03:20:07.280 --> 03:20:09.159
Thousand Cuts  from the floor of the

03:20:09.239 --> 03:20:10.959
council chamber is not a great way of

03:20:11.040 --> 03:20:13.799
going about this and as has been advised

03:20:13.879 --> 03:20:16.079
there are some constraints with us doing

03:20:16.159 --> 03:20:18.200
that and we are still capped by the

03:20:18.280 --> 03:20:19.879
funding pool and that's been accepted

03:20:19.959 --> 03:20:22.799
and hence  item one modified so

03:20:22.879 --> 03:20:26.040
councilors I think that we should 

03:20:26.120 --> 03:20:28.799
take  point two back to the original

03:20:28.879 --> 03:20:31.959
wording and continue with the good work

03:20:32.040 --> 03:20:33.799
and the strong support that we're giving

03:20:33.879 --> 03:20:35.760
our community organizations by

03:20:35.840 --> 03:20:38.440
supporting what's in the

03:20:38.520 --> 03:20:41.000
report thank you councilor mon counselor

03:20:41.079 --> 03:20:43.440
Skilbeck thank you mayor  this takes

03:20:43.520 --> 03:20:47.280
us back to the motion as  advised

03:20:47.360 --> 03:20:49.360
through the public agenda and that would

03:20:49.440 --> 03:20:51.399
have been my starting position

03:20:51.479 --> 03:20:54.479
regardless of this debate  I think

03:20:54.559 --> 03:20:56.920
there are too many issues with the

03:20:57.000 --> 03:21:00.159
budget  constraint  and too many

03:21:00.239 --> 03:21:03.040
issues with what effectively is like a

03:21:03.120 --> 03:21:06.120
 backdoor recision motion approach and

03:21:06.200 --> 03:21:09.280
I don't support that I urge councilors

03:21:09.360 --> 03:21:11.600
to support this  as

03:21:11.680 --> 03:21:13.159
[Music]

03:21:13.239 --> 03:21:15.719
e thank you councelor Skilbeck are there

03:21:15.799 --> 03:21:18.559
any further speakers

03:21:18.840 --> 03:21:20.479
there being no further speakers I'll put

03:21:20.559 --> 03:21:25.319
the motion to the vote all those in

03:21:25.399 --> 03:21:29.000
favor councelor Monroe councelor massud

03:21:29.079 --> 03:21:31.520
councelor Leu councelor Skilbeck

03:21:31.600 --> 03:21:36.520
councelor Lane councelor Carr those

03:21:36.600 --> 03:21:39.280
against councelor mcneel councelor

03:21:39.360 --> 03:21:42.319
stennet councelor Barker councelor

03:21:42.399 --> 03:21:45.120
Davenport councelor cuts the motion is

03:21:45.200 --> 03:21:48.200
carried

03:21:54.280 --> 03:21:56.520
we now move to item

03:21:56.600 --> 03:22:00.600
10.6 advocacy priorities sorry point of

03:22:00.680 --> 03:22:02.479
May that was that was the amendment oh

03:22:02.559 --> 03:22:04.280
sorry the amendment was carried to take

03:22:04.360 --> 03:22:05.840
us back to the original one we're still

03:22:05.920 --> 03:22:07.559
in the debate you've had a move in a

03:22:07.639 --> 03:22:11.079
second any other speakers we point of

03:22:11.159 --> 03:22:12.520
order mayor we've moved to the next item

03:22:12.600 --> 03:22:14.559
of the agenda I asse that that means

03:22:14.639 --> 03:22:17.760
no decisions made no we will ververt

03:22:17.840 --> 03:22:20.399
councelor Davenport you're not got

03:22:20.479 --> 03:22:24.040
steerage of this room we will go back

03:22:24.120 --> 03:22:26.239
and we will move it it became the

03:22:26.319 --> 03:22:28.680
substantive yes and we will now put it

03:22:28.760 --> 03:22:30.799
to a final vote I'd like to speak on it

03:22:30.879 --> 03:22:34.120
may Council Bara as much as  I'm sure

03:22:34.200 --> 03:22:35.639
everyone's finding this to be pretty

03:22:35.719 --> 03:22:37.399
torturous I come at this from a quite a

03:22:37.479 --> 03:22:39.239
different

03:22:39.319 --> 03:22:42.639
angle I never forget where the

03:22:42.719 --> 03:22:44.680
governance changes here came from

03:22:44.760 --> 03:22:46.120
because I watched them live on my

03:22:46.200 --> 03:22:47.840
compter computer from my office and I

03:22:47.920 --> 03:22:51.280
understand it was back in October

03:22:51.360 --> 03:22:54.840
2021 when Justice redlick with senior

03:22:54.920 --> 03:22:57.799
Council assisting Mr Chris car

03:22:57.879 --> 03:22:59.719
SC

03:22:59.799 --> 03:23:02.079
 did to The Fairly thorough

03:23:02.159 --> 03:23:04.040
examination into the Black Arts of the

03:23:04.120 --> 03:23:07.120
labor party Branch stacking in operation

03:23:07.200 --> 03:23:10.639
Watts I believe it was counselor Grotti

03:23:10.719 --> 03:23:14.120
from Banu took to the stand and made

03:23:14.200 --> 03:23:17.000
himself somewhat infamous

03:23:17.079 --> 03:23:21.079
as  Council assisting car took him

03:23:21.159 --> 03:23:23.079
through his evidence and then to various

03:23:23.159 --> 03:23:26.559
phone taps with the then Minister Mr Som

03:23:26.639 --> 03:23:28.479
about how they would defend this and

03:23:28.559 --> 03:23:31.360
that was effectively around and you can

03:23:31.440 --> 03:23:33.399
read it on the ABC I'm not going to repr

03:23:33.479 --> 03:23:36.920
prosecute it there around  $100,000 in

03:23:37.000 --> 03:23:39.200
an anti-gambling Foundation funding

03:23:39.280 --> 03:23:42.159
Council Baka can we speak to the motion

03:23:42.239 --> 03:23:43.559
than the did you not listen to my

03:23:43.639 --> 03:23:45.479
introduction I I did did you not listen

03:23:45.559 --> 03:23:47.120
to my introduction naming other

03:23:47.200 --> 03:23:48.799
counselors and let's get to the issues

03:23:48.879 --> 03:23:50.440
talking about how we got here Madame

03:23:50.520 --> 03:23:52.680
mayor and that was Operation Watts this

03:23:52.760 --> 03:23:54.600
is what happened someone was thought to

03:23:54.680 --> 03:23:56.719
have put the funding this way and the

03:23:56.799 --> 03:23:58.600
council and the state government's

03:23:58.680 --> 03:23:59.879
response was you'll take all the

03:23:59.959 --> 03:24:05.319
counselors out of the  the process of

03:24:05.399 --> 03:24:07.200
awarding Grants because of what

03:24:07.280 --> 03:24:09.799
transpired in another jurisdiction now

03:24:09.879 --> 03:24:12.079
that's fact you may not like it but it's

03:24:12.159 --> 03:24:14.719
fact I got a real concern with that

03:24:14.799 --> 03:24:18.239
because I've actually I think

03:24:18.319 --> 03:24:20.520
counterintuitively the the governance of

03:24:20.600 --> 03:24:23.200
this grant system has been diminished as

03:24:23.280 --> 03:24:24.879
a result of that change I thought that

03:24:24.959 --> 03:24:27.399
when the politicians did it with the

03:24:27.479 --> 03:24:29.920
staff I always had an intellectual

03:24:30.000 --> 03:24:32.040
engagement with it was was that they

03:24:32.120 --> 03:24:34.360
sort of kept an eye on one another but

03:24:34.440 --> 03:24:36.040
I'm not sure that that's happened here

03:24:36.120 --> 03:24:37.959
and I foreshadow that I'll be moving

03:24:38.040 --> 03:24:40.280
some considerable changes to that

03:24:40.360 --> 03:24:41.360
process there and that's really

03:24:41.440 --> 03:24:44.200
unfortunate because and I think often it

03:24:44.280 --> 03:24:45.879
happens with and I've seen and I've done

03:24:45.959 --> 03:24:47.600
quite a lot of research certain other

03:24:47.680 --> 03:24:51.239
areas quite opaque Community groups

03:24:51.319 --> 03:24:53.959
apply now I know the Eastern relief and

03:24:54.040 --> 03:24:56.239
the the primary schools and all that but

03:24:56.319 --> 03:24:59.000
I worry whether there isn't open source

03:24:59.079 --> 03:25:02.200
in referencing or reputational checking

03:25:02.280 --> 03:25:05.440
of some of our grant recipients and that

03:25:05.520 --> 03:25:07.360
is something that I I foreshadow me

03:25:07.440 --> 03:25:09.840
moving a motion in here Madame mayor to

03:25:09.920 --> 03:25:12.319
ensure that that happens from here on

03:25:12.399 --> 03:25:16.680
because ensuring that every dollar

03:25:16.760 --> 03:25:19.479
of our rate payers money is spent

03:25:19.559 --> 03:25:21.920
absolutely with legitimate causes is

03:25:22.000 --> 03:25:25.120
something that I take really to heart

03:25:25.200 --> 03:25:27.040
and a little bit like the legal system

03:25:27.120 --> 03:25:29.079
where you rather have an a guilty man

03:25:29.159 --> 03:25:31.959
set free than an inent man go to jail I

03:25:32.040 --> 03:25:35.399
have that same view an absolute view

03:25:35.479 --> 03:25:37.559
with the money that we spend on behalf

03:25:37.639 --> 03:25:38.879
of our residents because when I think

03:25:38.959 --> 03:25:40.920
about the money we spend I think about

03:25:41.000 --> 03:25:43.360
it coming out of the rights of a family

03:25:43.440 --> 03:25:44.920
that can't go to Queensland this year

03:25:45.000 --> 03:25:46.840
for their holiday and are making

03:25:46.920 --> 03:25:49.280
sacrifices in other parts of their

03:25:49.360 --> 03:25:52.600
life I'll leave my contribution at

03:25:52.680 --> 03:25:54.840
that thank you Council marker are there

03:25:54.920 --> 03:25:56.760
any further

03:25:56.840 --> 03:25:59.159
speakers there being none we will put

03:25:59.239 --> 03:26:04.079
the motion to the vote all those in

03:26:04.159 --> 03:26:05.600
favor

03:26:05.680 --> 03:26:08.959
councelor mcneel councelor

03:26:09.040 --> 03:26:13.440
Monroe councel stenard councelor Barker

03:26:13.520 --> 03:26:16.959
councelor massud

03:26:17.040 --> 03:26:18.239
oh it is

03:26:18.319 --> 03:26:20.639
unanimous gradually became

03:26:20.719 --> 03:26:24.079
unanimous thank you

03:26:24.159 --> 03:26:26.159
[Applause]

03:26:26.239 --> 03:26:29.879
counselors we now move to item

03:26:29.959 --> 03:26:34.200
10.6 which is advocacy priorities I seek

03:26:34.280 --> 03:26:37.040
a mover Move

03:26:37.120 --> 03:26:40.920
May councelor Cuts seconder happy to

03:26:41.000 --> 03:26:45.399
second councelor car councelor Cutz

03:26:45.479 --> 03:26:48.280
mayor councelor this is a relatively

03:26:48.360 --> 03:26:51.680
simple  but very important motion

03:26:51.760 --> 03:26:53.520
which is coming for us this

03:26:53.600 --> 03:26:55.840
evening it's about increasing our

03:26:55.920 --> 03:26:58.639
advocacy function and our visibility

03:26:58.719 --> 03:27:02.120
with our members of parliament state and

03:27:02.200 --> 03:27:04.559
federal and any other organizations that

03:27:04.639 --> 03:27:07.239
we can partner with we have recently put

03:27:07.319 --> 03:27:11.000
on a new staff member point8 EFT to

03:27:11.079 --> 03:27:13.600
actually take charge of this

03:27:13.680 --> 03:27:16.799
function this motion

03:27:16.879 --> 03:27:20.879
asks Council to endorse four key

03:27:20.959 --> 03:27:23.760
projects which have been developed with

03:27:23.840 --> 03:27:26.280
think Community engagement asset life

03:27:26.360 --> 03:27:29.239
and counselor and officer

03:27:29.319 --> 03:27:33.280
input we talk about the four of them one

03:27:33.360 --> 03:27:36.719
is the benit reserve North overal now

03:27:36.799 --> 03:27:38.319
what we're doing with this Adis key

03:27:38.399 --> 03:27:40.920
function is

03:27:41.000 --> 03:27:44.319
to put money into 

03:27:44.399 --> 03:27:47.840
$450,000 for contribution to designs in

03:27:47.920 --> 03:27:51.559
a coordinated and strategic approach

03:27:51.639 --> 03:27:53.360
commencing in

03:27:53.440 --> 03:27:56.239
2425 the bennettwood reserve North oval

03:27:56.319 --> 03:27:59.559
is a complex oval M it has we own part

03:27:59.639 --> 03:28:01.280
of it Deacon University and there's

03:28:01.360 --> 03:28:02.959
Crown Land we've got to come to a memor

03:28:03.040 --> 03:28:04.639
of understanding but as far as I can

03:28:04.719 --> 03:28:06.600
remember when I started on Council this

03:28:06.680 --> 03:28:08.959
was almost there at 2016 so this is

03:28:09.040 --> 03:28:11.079
something that's been dragging on

03:28:11.159 --> 03:28:13.239
although we do have a new Pavilion there

03:28:13.319 --> 03:28:16.040
so the benefit of actually getting

03:28:16.120 --> 03:28:18.520
getting this on the box as it were with

03:28:18.600 --> 03:28:20.399
council's maxim contribution of2

03:28:20.479 --> 03:28:24.000
million in a $1 million total project

03:28:24.079 --> 03:28:26.680
build is about building the oval there

03:28:26.760 --> 03:28:28.639
because we have got serious serious

03:28:28.719 --> 03:28:30.680
problems in the eastern part of White

03:28:30.760 --> 03:28:35.000
Horse with oval access currently  and

03:28:35.079 --> 03:28:37.200
in the past we've had Vermont Recreation

03:28:37.280 --> 03:28:40.719
Reserve at 115% of capacity M so when we

03:28:40.799 --> 03:28:43.520
actually put an advocacy to get this

03:28:43.600 --> 03:28:45.280
together get money get this built it

03:28:45.360 --> 03:28:47.559
will actually help our Network our open

03:28:47.639 --> 03:28:49.000
space Network that we've talked so

03:28:49.079 --> 03:28:51.399
lovingly about the second project is

03:28:51.479 --> 03:28:53.799
daav Lane Reserve where we're looking at

03:28:53.879 --> 03:28:58.079
putting in $1 million and asking for

03:28:58.159 --> 03:29:00.000
external funding of 10 million with a

03:29:00.079 --> 03:29:02.719
total project of 21 million now as we

03:29:02.799 --> 03:29:05.120
know there has been a new beautiful

03:29:05.200 --> 03:29:08.360
linear open space  the state

03:29:08.440 --> 03:29:11.959
government has worked on  and this

03:29:12.040 --> 03:29:13.399
goes

03:29:13.479 --> 03:29:17.719
from ning spring roing awarding to  my

03:29:17.799 --> 03:29:21.040
award in Vermont and that's to baronia

03:29:21.120 --> 03:29:24.319
Road it's it's a great piece of land and

03:29:24.399 --> 03:29:26.000
it's one thing that we can actually say

03:29:26.079 --> 03:29:27.959
that's fantastic we know a lot of other

03:29:28.040 --> 03:29:29.639
things are very negative with our

03:29:29.719 --> 03:29:33.520
housing targets anyway that one is  on

03:29:33.600 --> 03:29:34.719
the books as

03:29:34.799 --> 03:29:38.440
well  currently that is  the master

03:29:38.520 --> 03:29:40.120
plan is in process with that one and

03:29:40.200 --> 03:29:41.559
we're looking at potential Partnerships

03:29:41.639 --> 03:29:44.079
with Parks Vick the third one is n aing

03:29:44.159 --> 03:29:46.520
basketball  in East bwood

03:29:46.600 --> 03:29:48.479
 the outline is Redevelopment of the

03:29:48.559 --> 03:29:51.040
basketball center with additional courts

03:29:51.120 --> 03:29:53.520
 potential for net ball badminton and

03:29:53.600 --> 03:29:54.959
other sports the master plan is

03:29:55.040 --> 03:29:56.520
developed and that's gone out to the

03:29:56.600 --> 03:29:58.479
community for cons consultation what

03:29:58.559 --> 03:30:00.719
we're asking there is maxim

03:30:00.799 --> 03:30:03.319
contribution of 35 million in a $100

03:30:03.399 --> 03:30:05.799
million total project and looking for 65

03:30:05.879 --> 03:30:07.920
million potentially and hopefully split

03:30:08.000 --> 03:30:11.479
by all levs of government the final one

03:30:11.559 --> 03:30:14.600
is Sparks Reserve oper  with which is

03:30:14.680 --> 03:30:18.879
important to  put in a synthetic 

03:30:18.959 --> 03:30:21.239
pitch there  council's maxim funding

03:30:21.319 --> 03:30:24.079
is 2 million external funding for taking

03:30:24.159 --> 03:30:27.040
the project to 6 million so counselors

03:30:27.120 --> 03:30:28.520
these these are the things that really

03:30:28.600 --> 03:30:30.559
matter to people we need to activate our

03:30:30.639 --> 03:30:32.120
open space we need to be better at

03:30:32.200 --> 03:30:34.959
advocacy with a the designated staff

03:30:35.040 --> 03:30:36.760
member on this we're able to actually

03:30:36.840 --> 03:30:37.719
move this

03:30:37.799 --> 03:30:41.200
along and I commend the motion thank you

03:30:41.280 --> 03:30:43.879
mayor thank you councelor Cuts councelor

03:30:43.959 --> 03:30:46.959
k

03:30:49.000 --> 03:30:51.879
councilors  I don't need to

03:30:51.959 --> 03:30:55.319
 to say this really but I will  we

03:30:55.399 --> 03:30:57.959
should not underestimate the importance

03:30:58.040 --> 03:31:01.000
of advocacy at Whitehorse it involves

03:31:01.079 --> 03:31:03.159
collaboration with various organizations

03:31:03.239 --> 03:31:05.920
to achieve the best outcome for our

03:31:06.000 --> 03:31:08.079
community as councelor Cutz has

03:31:08.159 --> 03:31:10.600
mentioned to begin this process we have

03:31:10.680 --> 03:31:12.840
selected four priorities to be endorsed

03:31:12.920 --> 03:31:15.280
this evening these priorities will be

03:31:15.360 --> 03:31:17.520
vital to is the longevity and livability

03:31:17.600 --> 03:31:19.879
of our residents the state government

03:31:19.959 --> 03:31:21.840
have told us we must accommodate an

03:31:21.920 --> 03:31:25.799
additional 79,000 homes which is double

03:31:25.879 --> 03:31:27.879
the current number in fact more than

03:31:27.959 --> 03:31:30.479
double the number we currently have it

03:31:30.559 --> 03:31:32.559
is vital the state helps alleviate the

03:31:32.639 --> 03:31:34.879
pressures that will inevitably be placed

03:31:34.959 --> 03:31:37.479
on our aging infrastructure by providing

03:31:37.559 --> 03:31:39.879
funding to build community Leisure and

03:31:39.959 --> 03:31:42.440
Recreation facilities to support the

03:31:42.520 --> 03:31:45.440
inevitable population growth this is

03:31:45.520 --> 03:31:48.479
what the advocacy program is all about

03:31:48.559 --> 03:31:50.559
it's no good waiting we must start our

03:31:50.639 --> 03:31:53.479
advocacy now to help M mitigate the

03:31:53.559 --> 03:31:55.239
impact this growth will have on our

03:31:55.319 --> 03:31:57.879
residents such as access to public open

03:31:57.959 --> 03:32:00.000
space which will reduced dramat

03:32:00.079 --> 03:32:02.760
dramatically due to the huge increase in

03:32:02.840 --> 03:32:06.120
population over the next 10 years there

03:32:06.200 --> 03:32:08.040
are existing demands and pressures on

03:32:08.120 --> 03:32:10.159
the open space Network within the White

03:32:10.239 --> 03:32:12.440
Horse municipality the growing

03:32:12.520 --> 03:32:14.520
population predicted by the Victorian

03:32:14.600 --> 03:32:17.920
government will Ex iate this the city of

03:32:18.000 --> 03:32:19.680
Whitehorse sits across four state

03:32:19.760 --> 03:32:22.319
districts and two regions Whitehorse is

03:32:22.399 --> 03:32:24.360
currently split across four Federal

03:32:24.440 --> 03:32:26.920
electorates Council needs to take action

03:32:27.000 --> 03:32:29.200
now with the federal election cycle

03:32:29.280 --> 03:32:31.399
beginning which will lead into the state

03:32:31.479 --> 03:32:34.719
election cycle councilors as I said we

03:32:34.799 --> 03:32:37.840
can't wait we need funding we need help

03:32:37.920 --> 03:32:40.399
if the state government wants us to

03:32:40.479 --> 03:32:44.079
provide 79,000 homes then they've got to

03:32:44.159 --> 03:32:45.959
put their hand up as well and they' got

03:32:46.040 --> 03:32:48.159
to help us out because we cannot do it

03:32:48.239 --> 03:32:50.719
on our own that's ridiculous to expect

03:32:50.799 --> 03:32:53.360
us to double double the number of

03:32:53.440 --> 03:32:55.680
housing  so please support this

03:32:55.760 --> 03:32:58.639
important motion thank you thank you

03:32:58.719 --> 03:33:01.639
Council car are there any further

03:33:01.719 --> 03:33:05.200
speakers  yes mayor councilor de so

03:33:05.280 --> 03:33:06.959
just with the advocacy I understand the

03:33:07.040 --> 03:33:09.239
four projects that have been put forward

03:33:09.319 --> 03:33:12.520
that have substantial asks  given that

03:33:12.600 --> 03:33:14.440
the motion does talk about building the

03:33:14.520 --> 03:33:17.040
advocacy project  the advocacy

03:33:17.120 --> 03:33:19.520
function proving these four that that's

03:33:19.600 --> 03:33:22.520
fine but where I think that a lot of the

03:33:22.600 --> 03:33:24.680
 work should go it's helping our

03:33:24.760 --> 03:33:28.200
politicians win projects for Whitehorse

03:33:28.280 --> 03:33:30.959
so these are our wish lists but our

03:33:31.040 --> 03:33:32.559
officers should be going out there to

03:33:32.639 --> 03:33:34.319
find out the wish lists of all of our

03:33:34.399 --> 03:33:37.639
state politicians the state candidates

03:33:37.719 --> 03:33:39.719
the federal politicians and the federal

03:33:39.799 --> 03:33:41.360
candidates and help give them

03:33:41.440 --> 03:33:43.639
information so then they can Advocate to

03:33:43.719 --> 03:33:46.200
through their own political process

03:33:46.280 --> 03:33:47.280
that come through there now

03:33:47.360 --> 03:33:49.360
unfortunately or fortunately our

03:33:49.440 --> 03:33:51.680
priorities might align with

03:33:51.760 --> 03:33:54.200
theirs but the second bow is we have to

03:33:54.280 --> 03:33:56.200
work out what they are now when I talk

03:33:56.280 --> 03:33:59.079
to local state members they always refer

03:33:59.159 --> 03:34:01.840
me to the local  sport infrastructure

03:34:01.920 --> 03:34:04.000
fund and what I was told was that white

03:34:04.079 --> 03:34:05.680
or didn't even make a

03:34:05.760 --> 03:34:09.760
submission last time for the 2324 budget

03:34:09.840 --> 03:34:11.200
I'm sure someone will tell me here if

03:34:11.280 --> 03:34:13.719
I'm not right but that's what I heard we

03:34:13.799 --> 03:34:15.799
have to be better at putting in for what

03:34:15.879 --> 03:34:18.159
grants are available right now working

03:34:18.239 --> 03:34:19.959
with our state politicians to try and

03:34:20.040 --> 03:34:21.959
win them for Whitehorse so this

03:34:22.040 --> 03:34:24.959
recommendation's fine but we can't drop

03:34:25.040 --> 03:34:27.200
the other bow because the other bow is

03:34:27.280 --> 03:34:29.200
where we get that those little pots of

03:34:29.280 --> 03:34:31.440
gold not the big the big ones the big

03:34:31.520 --> 03:34:33.920
ones take a lot of time but if I think

03:34:34.000 --> 03:34:36.799
about our successes other than City oval

03:34:36.879 --> 03:34:39.639
they're all around the sport clubs with

03:34:39.719 --> 03:34:42.200
the lighting upgrades or the little or

03:34:42.280 --> 03:34:45.879
the or the  the one at Sparks Reserve

03:34:45.959 --> 03:34:49.079
or fixing a a play space that's the area

03:34:49.159 --> 03:34:52.120
that we can win by working out what our

03:34:52.200 --> 03:34:54.360
politicians want because we need them on

03:34:54.440 --> 03:34:57.040
side to bat for us to bring money for

03:34:57.120 --> 03:34:59.120
Whitehorse and that's the second bow we

03:34:59.200 --> 03:35:01.040
haven't talked about it tonight but I

03:35:01.120 --> 03:35:03.120
think that that's an area we need to to

03:35:03.200 --> 03:35:06.559
focus on in addition to these four

03:35:06.639 --> 03:35:08.159
rather large

03:35:08.239 --> 03:35:11.120
projects which I think basketball will

03:35:11.200 --> 03:35:13.959
be in doubt given the 65 million the

03:35:14.040 --> 03:35:16.079
others I think will be probably more

03:35:16.159 --> 03:35:19.120
likely thank you

03:35:19.959 --> 03:35:22.639
mayor thank you councilor devp is there

03:35:22.719 --> 03:35:24.559
any further

03:35:24.639 --> 03:35:27.200
speakers there being no further speakers

03:35:27.280 --> 03:35:28.639
I'm going to put the

03:35:28.719 --> 03:35:31.520
motion all those in

03:35:31.600 --> 03:35:35.639
favor the motion is carried

03:35:37.239 --> 03:35:40.079
unanimously we now move to item

03:35:40.159 --> 03:35:43.920
10.7 tender evaluation contract

03:35:44.000 --> 03:35:47.920
30471 East B Wood Reserve South Sports

03:35:48.000 --> 03:35:51.840
field renewal do I have a mover you do

03:35:51.920 --> 03:35:54.840
Madame mayor thank you councilor Car

03:35:54.920 --> 03:35:58.639
seconded councelor Lane councelor car

03:35:58.719 --> 03:36:00.840
councilors as you are aware the city of

03:36:00.920 --> 03:36:04.559
Whitehorse maintains 53 sporting Fields

03:36:04.639 --> 03:36:06.600
one of them the Southern Sports field

03:36:06.680 --> 03:36:09.000
and East bwood Reserve is home to the

03:36:09.079 --> 03:36:11.520
East bwood Senior Cricket Club and East

03:36:11.600 --> 03:36:14.200
bwood Junior and senior football clubs

03:36:14.280 --> 03:36:15.879
with a combined membership of

03:36:15.959 --> 03:36:19.000
approximately 500 the oval is heavily

03:36:19.079 --> 03:36:21.399
used by the community local schools and

03:36:21.479 --> 03:36:23.840
the Eastern football netball League to

03:36:23.920 --> 03:36:26.440
host their senior football finals the

03:36:26.520 --> 03:36:29.399
current drainage system is 37 years old

03:36:29.479 --> 03:36:31.719
and no longer fit for purpose and the

03:36:31.799 --> 03:36:33.719
oval has now reached the point where it

03:36:33.799 --> 03:36:36.040
is at the end of its useful life and

03:36:36.120 --> 03:36:38.959
unable to be maintained to the expected

03:36:39.040 --> 03:36:40.920
conditions and therefore in desperate

03:36:41.000 --> 03:36:43.799
need of an upgrade consultation has

03:36:43.879 --> 03:36:45.239
taken place with the tenant sporting

03:36:45.319 --> 03:36:47.319
club clubs to ensure the design will

03:36:47.399 --> 03:36:49.600
meet Community needs and I'm pleased to

03:36:49.680 --> 03:36:51.840
say the training Nets and Club room

03:36:51.920 --> 03:36:54.879
facilities will remain in use during all

03:36:54.959 --> 03:36:58.120
construction activities work is expected

03:36:58.200 --> 03:37:00.600
to commence in September this year post

03:37:00.680 --> 03:37:02.520
any football finals and weather

03:37:02.600 --> 03:37:04.959
permitting reopened for Community use in

03:37:05.040 --> 03:37:07.440
April next year and will involve the

03:37:07.520 --> 03:37:09.520
complete renewal of the sports field

03:37:09.600 --> 03:37:13.440
drainage irrigation a AFL goalposts

03:37:13.520 --> 03:37:15.959
Cricket Wicket safety netting synthetic

03:37:16.040 --> 03:37:18.399
grass boundary line fence and natural

03:37:18.479 --> 03:37:21.719
Turf surface councilors this project

03:37:21.799 --> 03:37:24.040
aligns with council's open space Asset

03:37:24.120 --> 03:37:26.360
Management plan for ongoing asset

03:37:26.440 --> 03:37:28.920
renewal and I ask for your support to

03:37:29.000 --> 03:37:31.760
accept the tender from sjm Turf and

03:37:31.840 --> 03:37:34.079
civil propriety limited based in

03:37:34.159 --> 03:37:37.719
pakenham for the tended amount of

03:37:37.799 --> 03:37:40.799
1,885

03:37:41.120 --> 03:37:44.479
34540 including GST so that we can

03:37:44.559 --> 03:37:46.399
commence this much needed upgrade in

03:37:46.479 --> 03:37:48.479
September at the conclusion of the

03:37:48.559 --> 03:37:51.799
football season thank

03:37:51.879 --> 03:37:55.360
you thank you Council Car councelor Lane

03:37:55.440 --> 03:37:57.079
thank you Mar I just want a point of

03:37:57.159 --> 03:37:59.719
clarification before I go on and that is

03:37:59.799 --> 03:38:04.319
the motion reads 1885 34540 including

03:38:04.399 --> 03:38:07.399
GST ah sorry T I've just read it wrong

03:38:07.479 --> 03:38:10.399
my my bad  I was thinking it was that

03:38:10.479 --> 03:38:13.040
plus GST was a 980 but no I just read it

03:38:13.120 --> 03:38:15.120
incorrectly sitting here sorry mayor

03:38:15.200 --> 03:38:18.200
it's a little bit late in the day and 

03:38:18.280 --> 03:38:20.399
it's looking all a bit the same words

03:38:20.479 --> 03:38:22.319
but anyway thank you councelor car 

03:38:22.399 --> 03:38:23.680
for a great introduction to this

03:38:23.760 --> 03:38:26.040
recommendation and  when a pling

03:38:26.120 --> 03:38:28.280
surface nears or comes to an end of its

03:38:28.360 --> 03:38:30.840
safe useful life the only remedy is to

03:38:30.920 --> 03:38:33.559
renew the surface the irrigation and the

03:38:33.639 --> 03:38:36.360
drainage East bu Reserve is certainly at

03:38:36.440 --> 03:38:38.319
that point and its life where it

03:38:38.399 --> 03:38:40.920
struggles under the amount of use but

03:38:41.000 --> 03:38:42.680
also the drainage has lost its

03:38:42.760 --> 03:38:46.120
Effectiveness as to the irrigation

03:38:46.200 --> 03:38:47.959
sporting events such as training and

03:38:48.040 --> 03:38:49.719
competition games have been cancelled

03:38:49.799 --> 03:38:52.680
over the last 24 months due to the

03:38:52.760 --> 03:38:54.479
degrading condition of the sports field

03:38:54.559 --> 03:38:56.799
and certainly we've closed the oval

03:38:56.879 --> 03:38:59.040
again  in the last two

03:38:59.120 --> 03:39:01.959
days as a reasonable level of sport is

03:39:02.040 --> 03:39:03.680
played on this ground it is time for the

03:39:03.760 --> 03:39:06.159
renewal to ensure that the competition

03:39:06.239 --> 03:39:08.559
continues and the the clubs have the

03:39:08.639 --> 03:39:11.040
ability to attract new participants to

03:39:11.120 --> 03:39:13.520
the activities being carried out at the

03:39:13.600 --> 03:39:16.879
oval as councilor car indicated it's

03:39:16.959 --> 03:39:19.159
important to note that the project is

03:39:19.239 --> 03:39:22.360
holistic so it includes the

03:39:22.440 --> 03:39:24.559
infrastructure the drainage the gold

03:39:24.639 --> 03:39:26.959
poost the Wicket the safety netting

03:39:27.040 --> 03:39:29.040
synthetic grass boundary line fence and

03:39:29.120 --> 03:39:32.360
natural Turf surface so experienced

03:39:32.440 --> 03:39:34.399
Consultants have assisted Council

03:39:34.479 --> 03:39:35.879
officers to develop the sports field

03:39:35.959 --> 03:39:38.520
renewal design and specification to meet

03:39:38.600 --> 03:39:41.799
the high wear demand of community sport

03:39:41.879 --> 03:39:44.040
the design and specification ensure

03:39:44.120 --> 03:39:46.559
asset longevity and the facility that

03:39:46.639 --> 03:39:49.319
can be cost effectively maintained for

03:39:49.399 --> 03:39:52.319
required usage for up to 30

03:39:52.399 --> 03:39:55.000
years so the design and specification

03:39:55.079 --> 03:39:56.959
have been developed to ensure only

03:39:57.040 --> 03:39:59.040
essential components required to deliver

03:39:59.120 --> 03:40:01.200
a functioning Sports field for the life

03:40:01.280 --> 03:40:04.200
of the asset are included and this is a

03:40:04.280 --> 03:40:06.559
significant investment counselors but a

03:40:06.639 --> 03:40:09.280
very important one for this particular

03:40:09.360 --> 03:40:12.319
Precinct please support the

03:40:12.399 --> 03:40:14.680
motion thank you Council alion if there

03:40:14.760 --> 03:40:15.879
any further

03:40:15.959 --> 03:40:18.200
speakers there being none I will put the

03:40:18.280 --> 03:40:22.639
motion to the vote all those in

03:40:24.040 --> 03:40:27.479
favor carried

03:40:30.360 --> 03:40:33.719
unanimously we now move to item 10.8

03:40:33.799 --> 03:40:37.159
another tender evaluation contract

03:40:37.239 --> 03:40:40.479
3053 statutory and strategic planning

03:40:40.559 --> 03:40:42.920
specialist advisory service I seek a

03:40:43.000 --> 03:40:45.799
mover happy to move May happy to

03:40:45.879 --> 03:40:50.959
second  moved was that  councelor

03:40:51.040 --> 03:40:53.719
Skilbeck and seconded counselor mcneel

03:40:53.799 --> 03:40:55.639
councelor Skilbeck  thank you mayor

03:40:55.719 --> 03:40:57.600
there are eight different specialist

03:40:57.680 --> 03:40:59.719
independent advisory and advocacy

03:40:59.799 --> 03:41:01.920
Services reflected in the panel set up

03:41:02.000 --> 03:41:04.479
through the motion before us the eight

03:41:04.559 --> 03:41:07.799
generally distinct areas include vcat

03:41:07.879 --> 03:41:10.479
representation report writing advisory

03:41:10.559 --> 03:41:14.000
across Urban Design aricultural wind air

03:41:14.079 --> 03:41:16.159
acoustic and environmental sustainable

03:41:16.239 --> 03:41:18.319
development as well as strategic

03:41:18.399 --> 03:41:20.600
planning and Heritage planning

03:41:20.680 --> 03:41:23.520
support these areas only increase in

03:41:23.600 --> 03:41:25.680
complexity and in expectations of

03:41:25.760 --> 03:41:28.040
council legislated services in those

03:41:28.120 --> 03:41:31.559
statutary and strategic planning areas

03:41:31.639 --> 03:41:33.639
generally the number of planning

03:41:33.719 --> 03:41:37.239
applications has and may continue to be

03:41:37.319 --> 03:41:39.879
reduced while impacts and complexity

03:41:39.959 --> 03:41:43.680
only increase so we may be dealing with

03:41:43.760 --> 03:41:46.360
separate less matters but they are a

03:41:46.440 --> 03:41:49.000
bigger deal and the agenda for strategic

03:41:49.079 --> 03:41:51.280
planning is heavy we probably don't need

03:41:51.360 --> 03:41:53.319
to be reminded of the significant

03:41:53.399 --> 03:41:55.520
resourcing challenges for council's

03:41:55.600 --> 03:41:58.200
appropriate role in the major projects

03:41:58.280 --> 03:42:01.040
of srl and nelp and in all the

03:42:01.120 --> 03:42:03.159
requirements that plan Victoria will

03:42:03.239 --> 03:42:06.319
place on Whitehorse a previous panel

03:42:06.399 --> 03:42:09.040
was  set up by contract

03:42:09.120 --> 03:42:12.600
389 that expired in the last month and

03:42:12.680 --> 03:42:15.159
careful review has focused on the areas

03:42:15.239 --> 03:42:17.280
where significant external consultant

03:42:17.360 --> 03:42:20.280
hours have been required over the past 2

03:42:20.360 --> 03:42:24.040
to 3 years a new addition to the panel

03:42:24.120 --> 03:42:26.280
areas is around the need for expert

03:42:26.360 --> 03:42:28.440
advice in air quality and acoustic

03:42:28.520 --> 03:42:31.680
assessments and wind tunneling testing

03:42:31.760 --> 03:42:33.799
and we don't need to be reminded how

03:42:33.879 --> 03:42:37.280
significant those assessments can be the

03:42:37.360 --> 03:42:39.559
recommended new contract  which would

03:42:39.639 --> 03:42:41.719
apply from next week the 1st of August

03:42:41.799 --> 03:42:43.920
is struck on a schedule of rates basis

03:42:44.000 --> 03:42:46.639
for a 4-year ter term plus a 1-year

03:42:46.719 --> 03:42:49.799
extension option and over that 5-year

03:42:49.879 --> 03:42:52.440
window the contract value is estimated

03:42:52.520 --> 03:42:56.079
at 6.5 million noting that this cannot

03:42:56.159 --> 03:42:58.040
be placed as a limit because of the

03:42:58.120 --> 03:43:01.479
nature of the service needs a tendering

03:43:01.559 --> 03:43:05.040
group of 43 has been reduced to the 20

03:43:05.120 --> 03:43:06.280
sorry to the

03:43:06.360 --> 03:43:09.879
32 Consulting contractors named in the

03:43:09.959 --> 03:43:12.639
motion as well as usual processes I'm

03:43:12.719 --> 03:43:14.280
really pleased that the tenders went

03:43:14.360 --> 03:43:16.399
through the substant fincial review by

03:43:16.479 --> 03:43:18.959
our new contracts and benefits team

03:43:19.040 --> 03:43:21.159
which has that laser focus on best

03:43:21.239 --> 03:43:22.639
financial

03:43:22.719 --> 03:43:25.920
outcomes around 3/4 of the 32 have

03:43:26.000 --> 03:43:28.680
locked in rates for the full 4-year term

03:43:28.760 --> 03:43:31.399
with CPI increase just in that final

03:43:31.479 --> 03:43:34.079
year and for those continuing on the new

03:43:34.159 --> 03:43:36.840
panel there was either no increase

03:43:36.920 --> 03:43:39.520
insignificant increase or even decrease

03:43:39.600 --> 03:43:42.440
to their rates the exception is the half

03:43:42.520 --> 03:43:45.000
and full day vcat rates which are in

03:43:45.079 --> 03:43:47.399
inreasing on all fronts for everyone

03:43:47.479 --> 03:43:49.280
which simply reflects the escalating

03:43:49.360 --> 03:43:52.159
expectations and complexity in that

03:43:52.239 --> 03:43:55.159
setting overall there is consistency to

03:43:55.239 --> 03:43:57.520
market with the settled rates including

03:43:57.600 --> 03:43:58.840
for new

03:43:58.920 --> 03:44:01.799
panelists the panel as recommended is

03:44:01.879 --> 03:44:04.319
diverse and allows officers to create

03:44:04.399 --> 03:44:07.680
best fit for any outsourced work whether

03:44:07.760 --> 03:44:10.120
small or large pieces whether urgent or

03:44:10.200 --> 03:44:12.600
Slow Burn and whether Niche or broad

03:44:12.680 --> 03:44:15.600
expertise is required there's no

03:44:15.680 --> 03:44:17.559
sensible alternative to the panel

03:44:17.639 --> 03:44:19.600
approach and no better way of having a

03:44:19.680 --> 03:44:23.079
flexible range of options tied down it's

03:44:23.159 --> 03:44:25.920
a strategic imperative for Whitehorse

03:44:26.000 --> 03:44:27.159
particularly in the current and

03:44:27.239 --> 03:44:29.879
anticipated context to have this full

03:44:29.959 --> 03:44:31.799
range of statutary and strategic

03:44:31.879 --> 03:44:34.399
planning supports and be able to blend

03:44:34.479 --> 03:44:37.200
outsourced independent thinking with

03:44:37.280 --> 03:44:39.799
internal management of phasing and

03:44:39.879 --> 03:44:42.120
outputs I commend the motion to the

03:44:42.200 --> 03:44:43.639
chamber

03:44:43.719 --> 03:44:46.200
mayor thank you counselor Skilbeck

03:44:46.280 --> 03:44:49.760
counselor mcneel  thank you mayor and

03:44:49.840 --> 03:44:53.040
counselors and   and thank you

03:44:53.120 --> 03:44:56.319
councelor SK Skilbeck for outlining 

03:44:56.399 --> 03:44:59.920
this  this particular proposal very

03:45:00.000 --> 03:45:04.719
well and   the Specialists include

03:45:04.799 --> 03:45:08.639
 Heritage arborist Urban Design estd

03:45:08.719 --> 03:45:12.879
wind acoustic and other experts among

03:45:12.959 --> 03:45:15.959
others these people are used by Council

03:45:16.040 --> 03:45:20.600
vcat fulfilling  enforcement and

03:45:20.680 --> 03:45:22.680
prosecution

03:45:22.760 --> 03:45:25.920
obligations  as well as others and

03:45:26.000 --> 03:45:30.040
providing expert advice and support to

03:45:30.120 --> 03:45:33.120
 to those  working on behalf of

03:45:33.200 --> 03:45:35.719
council at vcat so that's a very very

03:45:35.799 --> 03:45:37.600
important important

03:45:37.680 --> 03:45:40.680
function at the macro level they provide

03:45:40.760 --> 03:45:43.879
advice on Master planning  

03:45:43.959 --> 03:45:46.440
structural structure planning on

03:45:46.520 --> 03:45:48.920
council's response to Major state

03:45:49.000 --> 03:45:51.680
government projects big build projects

03:45:51.760 --> 03:45:56.319
srl nelp and plan for Victoria housing

03:45:56.399 --> 03:45:59.200
targets  as 

03:45:59.280 --> 03:46:02.680
prescribed  in white for Whitehorse

03:46:02.760 --> 03:46:05.440
all of these projects are already

03:46:05.520 --> 03:46:08.200
impacting sign putting significant

03:46:08.280 --> 03:46:12.479
pressure on on Council so strategic

03:46:12.559 --> 03:46:15.600
planning team and resources

03:46:15.680 --> 03:46:19.000
and  and we are only at the beginning

03:46:19.079 --> 03:46:21.799
of some of these major projects so the

03:46:21.879 --> 03:46:25.079
pressure on counsil to have the

03:46:25.159 --> 03:46:29.040
expertise available  at hand is is

03:46:29.120 --> 03:46:30.920
really really

03:46:31.000 --> 03:46:33.959
important  the eight categories  of

03:46:34.040 --> 03:46:37.040
planning expertise on this panel a total

03:46:37.120 --> 03:46:41.440
of 32 submissions were considered  

03:46:41.520 --> 03:46:45.440
were considered as meeting the criteria

03:46:45.520 --> 03:46:49.200
on page 29 of the agenda and as value

03:46:49.280 --> 03:46:53.120
for money and recommended for the

03:46:53.200 --> 03:46:56.280
panel estd is important the buildt

03:46:56.360 --> 03:46:59.159
environment needs to be environmentally

03:46:59.239 --> 03:47:01.680
sustainable as well to reduce the

03:47:01.760 --> 03:47:05.319
community's Reliance on energy water and

03:47:05.399 --> 03:47:08.200
to support the planet so we can feed a

03:47:08.280 --> 03:47:11.040
growing population and take action to

03:47:11.120 --> 03:47:15.079
slow down climate change Council end for

03:47:15.159 --> 03:47:18.680
DSD is part of our our planning scheme

03:47:18.760 --> 03:47:20.799
and has declared a climate

03:47:20.879 --> 03:47:24.479
emergency so I I can certainly support

03:47:24.559 --> 03:47:28.120
those things as well as part of this 

03:47:28.200 --> 03:47:31.040
this  contract they are very important

03:47:31.120 --> 03:47:32.479
that that be

03:47:32.559 --> 03:47:35.360
included and  the contract provides

03:47:35.440 --> 03:47:38.680
council with access to essential

03:47:38.760 --> 03:47:41.680
expertise in a timely and coste

03:47:41.760 --> 03:47:45.280
effective Manner and only as required

03:47:45.360 --> 03:47:48.000
and so I call on my colleagues to 

03:47:48.079 --> 03:47:50.920
support the recommendation for this

03:47:51.000 --> 03:47:53.559
tender thank you thank you councelor

03:47:53.639 --> 03:47:56.559
mcneel are there any further speakers

03:47:56.639 --> 03:47:58.319
there being none I will put the motion

03:47:58.399 --> 03:48:01.239
to the vote all those in

03:48:01.319 --> 03:48:05.239
favor motion is carried

03:48:05.559 --> 03:48:09.120
unanimously we now move to item 10.9

03:48:09.200 --> 03:48:12.520
land track transaction 10 to 12 watt

03:48:12.600 --> 03:48:16.440
Street and 11 Court Street Hill I seek a

03:48:16.520 --> 03:48:20.559
mover so move mayor councilor Le a

03:48:20.639 --> 03:48:23.680
second second Council Barker councilor

03:48:23.760 --> 03:48:26.600
the thank you mayor councilors you may

03:48:26.680 --> 03:48:28.959
recall that a proposal from the Suburban

03:48:29.040 --> 03:48:32.479
Ro Loop Authority also known as srla was

03:48:32.559 --> 03:48:35.079
considered at the April 29th meeting of

03:48:35.159 --> 03:48:37.399
council this year as part of the open

03:48:37.479 --> 03:48:39.639
space offset provision pertaining to the

03:48:39.719 --> 03:48:43.000
sub Suburban rail Loop project the srla

03:48:43.079 --> 03:48:45.280
at the time had proposed a land exchange

03:48:45.360 --> 03:48:50.680
where ownership  21 Court Street and

03:48:50.760 --> 03:48:53.600
10 to 12 wat Street was to be

03:48:53.680 --> 03:48:57.159
exchanged  to  the Suburban Mor Loop

03:48:57.239 --> 03:49:01.079
Authority for 528 Station Street Box

03:49:01.159 --> 03:49:03.360
Hill as part of the land

03:49:03.440 --> 03:49:06.000
exchange 11 Court Street and 10 to 12

03:49:06.079 --> 03:49:08.719
wat Street  would be converted to

03:49:08.799 --> 03:49:11.079
Temporary open space for the duration of

03:49:11.159 --> 03:49:12.399
the srl

03:49:12.479 --> 03:49:14.760
construction Council undertook community

03:49:14.840 --> 03:49:16.879
engagement on this land transaction

03:49:16.959 --> 03:49:19.120
earlier this year and subsequently at

03:49:19.200 --> 03:49:21.520
the April meeting Council determined to

03:49:21.600 --> 03:49:24.399
refuse the offer as we viewed it  that

03:49:24.479 --> 03:49:26.079
it was not in the best

03:49:26.159 --> 03:49:28.360
interest of the community in the long

03:49:28.440 --> 03:49:30.799
term you may recall councilors that

03:49:30.879 --> 03:49:32.520
during this meeting I had highlighted

03:49:32.600 --> 03:49:34.319
that while Council and the community

03:49:34.399 --> 03:49:36.879
welcome more open space opportunities in

03:49:36.959 --> 03:49:39.000
Box Hill the temporary nature of the

03:49:39.079 --> 03:49:40.920
proposed open space at Court Street and

03:49:41.000 --> 03:49:43.559
WT Street as well as the uncertainty of

03:49:43.639 --> 03:49:46.520
the future of Street and WT Street Post

03:49:46.600 --> 03:49:49.280
srl construction were of the greatest

03:49:49.360 --> 03:49:51.760
concern the report tonight outlines an

03:49:51.840 --> 03:49:53.959
updated offer received from The

03:49:54.040 --> 03:49:55.559
Authority in relation to the Court

03:49:55.639 --> 03:49:58.559
Street and Watt Street site I'm pleased

03:49:58.639 --> 03:50:00.639
to report counselors that the new office

03:50:00.719 --> 03:50:03.120
stipulates the conversion of the Court

03:50:03.200 --> 03:50:05.280
Street and WT Street site to permanent

03:50:05.360 --> 03:50:08.520
public open space of approximately

03:50:08.600 --> 03:50:12.120
2,950 square m Council will retain

03:50:12.200 --> 03:50:14.319
ownership of the site and the authority

03:50:14.399 --> 03:50:16.920
will fund the design and construction of

03:50:17.000 --> 03:50:19.520
this new public open space subject to

03:50:19.600 --> 03:50:22.280
the satisfaction and approval of council

03:50:22.360 --> 03:50:24.719
Council this is a far better outcome for

03:50:24.799 --> 03:50:26.920
our community as not only does it

03:50:27.000 --> 03:50:29.840
address a gap in open space in box hill

03:50:29.920 --> 03:50:31.920
and in fact this particular area of

03:50:32.000 --> 03:50:34.319
boxill has been earmarked for further

03:50:34.399 --> 03:50:36.239
open space Provisions as part of the

03:50:36.319 --> 03:50:39.440
updated draft Open Space strategy which

03:50:39.520 --> 03:50:41.559
was considered earlier tonight but it

03:50:41.639 --> 03:50:43.799
also Pro provides certainty to the

03:50:43.879 --> 03:50:46.760
community that this site will be public

03:50:46.840 --> 03:50:49.239
open space in perpetuity and that

03:50:49.319 --> 03:50:50.639
Council will continue to retain

03:50:50.719 --> 03:50:53.600
ownership operations maintenance

03:50:53.680 --> 03:50:56.000
responsibility for the land I commend

03:50:56.079 --> 03:50:58.479
the report to to

03:50:58.559 --> 03:51:00.680
councilors thank you Council Lou

03:51:00.760 --> 03:51:03.159
councelor Barker me I don't intend to

03:51:03.239 --> 03:51:04.399
speak much because we've spoken a lot

03:51:04.479 --> 03:51:06.719
about open space tonight this is a

03:51:06.799 --> 03:51:08.319
sizable piece of land of course it

03:51:08.399 --> 03:51:11.479
doesn't face onto Whitehorse Road and

03:51:11.559 --> 03:51:14.799
we know that in our in the  open space

03:51:14.879 --> 03:51:18.120
we want as much sort of straight

03:51:18.200 --> 03:51:20.440
Frontage as possible but what I would

03:51:20.520 --> 03:51:23.040
remind counselors is that this block of

03:51:23.120 --> 03:51:25.479
land is in a very high-rise part of Box

03:51:25.559 --> 03:51:27.639
Hill particularly with the new Suburban

03:51:27.719 --> 03:51:30.200
rail Loop Precinct plans which means

03:51:30.280 --> 03:51:31.920
that people will know about it because

03:51:32.000 --> 03:51:33.639
they will look down onto it like they

03:51:33.719 --> 03:51:37.040
look down onto that car park at  watt

03:51:37.120 --> 03:51:39.040
Street as well so this is an thatgr car

03:51:39.120 --> 03:51:41.760
park and the abandoned Child Care Center

03:51:41.840 --> 03:51:43.719
the operator left is no longer fit for

03:51:43.799 --> 03:51:46.280
purpose they both get bulldozed and make

03:51:46.360 --> 03:51:48.280
made into a park so it's a really good

03:51:48.360 --> 03:51:50.479
outcome because it's also very much a

03:51:50.559 --> 03:51:53.319
pedestrian thare so I recommend it thank

03:51:53.399 --> 03:51:54.520
you

03:51:54.600 --> 03:51:57.000
mayor thank you councilor Barker are

03:51:57.079 --> 03:51:59.399
there any further speakers there being

03:51:59.479 --> 03:52:01.479
none I will put the motion to the vote

03:52:01.559 --> 03:52:03.280
all those in

03:52:03.360 --> 03:52:06.760
favor carried

03:52:09.360 --> 03:52:13.440
unanimously we now move to item

03:52:13.520 --> 03:52:16.040
10.10 which is the records of informal

03:52:16.120 --> 03:52:19.200
meetings of counselors it  is a

03:52:19.280 --> 03:52:22.000
procedural sort of

03:52:22.079 --> 03:52:25.879
operational thank you councelor Lane and

03:52:25.959 --> 03:52:27.680
second to

03:52:27.760 --> 03:52:31.239
second I think councelor Le I heard you

03:52:31.319 --> 03:52:33.399
 all those in

03:52:33.479 --> 03:52:36.879
favor carried

03:52:37.520 --> 03:52:40.600
unanimously that brings us to item 11

03:52:40.680 --> 03:52:43.040
and it is quite late and I'm conscious

03:52:43.120 --> 03:52:46.239
of people online it's Etc  counselors

03:52:46.319 --> 03:52:47.840
I think it would be good if you could

03:52:47.920 --> 03:52:50.719
just list the things you've attended and

03:52:50.799 --> 03:52:54.399
then send out information  at a later

03:52:54.479 --> 03:52:57.639
stage to your colleagues  or minutes

03:52:57.719 --> 03:53:00.319
when you finally have access to them so

03:53:00.399 --> 03:53:02.200
we'll go around but let's keep it very

03:53:02.280 --> 03:53:04.719
brief because it is getting

03:53:04.799 --> 03:53:06.719
late councilor

03:53:06.799 --> 03:53:09.200
Davenport no

03:53:09.280 --> 03:53:12.479
report councilor Le just one item to

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report mayor I attended the Eastern

03:53:14.479 --> 03:53:16.959
transport Coalition meeting on the 18th

03:53:17.040 --> 03:53:19.280
of July 2024 and I will circulate the

03:53:19.360 --> 03:53:21.479
minutes once available thank you

03:53:21.559 --> 03:53:24.440
councelor ski no report mayor council

03:53:24.520 --> 03:53:26.600
Lane  thank you mayor on the 9th of

03:53:26.680 --> 03:53:28.440
July there was a Whitehorse business

03:53:28.520 --> 03:53:30.840
group board meeting  discussions

03:53:30.920 --> 03:53:33.360
around budget membership events and

03:53:33.440 --> 03:53:34.920
their costs and budgets and what they do

03:53:35.000 --> 03:53:37.120
going forward plus the ever important

03:53:37.200 --> 03:53:40.360
upcoming Business Awards if you have a

03:53:40.440 --> 03:53:41.680
favorite business that you would

03:53:41.760 --> 03:53:44.920
recommend please get online and nominate

03:53:45.000 --> 03:53:46.840
 that business for the Whitehorse

03:53:46.920 --> 03:53:48.879
business group Awards really important

03:53:48.959 --> 03:53:52.280
to get those nominations in as soon as

03:53:52.360 --> 03:53:55.520
possible  on the 19th of July May

03:53:55.600 --> 03:53:58.000
along with yourself we attended the ERG

03:53:58.079 --> 03:54:02.879
meeting  and really it was actually I

03:54:02.959 --> 03:54:04.319
thought it was very good we looked at

03:54:04.399 --> 03:54:06.040
our submission for the plan for Victoria

03:54:06.120 --> 03:54:08.360
as the ERG group or Eastern region group

03:54:08.440 --> 03:54:10.760
of councils  which was an excellent

03:54:10.840 --> 03:54:12.959
docent and that will be circulated to

03:54:13.040 --> 03:54:16.040
all  in coming weeks as soon as we get

03:54:16.120 --> 03:54:18.959
it some some changes made that'll be

03:54:19.040 --> 03:54:20.799
coming we also started the Strategic

03:54:20.879 --> 03:54:23.120
plan and the review of governance of the

03:54:23.200 --> 03:54:26.040
group as well and also on the 19th of

03:54:26.120 --> 03:54:28.719
July we attended the

03:54:28.799 --> 03:54:32.639
erav meeting which is with the  MV rep

03:54:32.719 --> 03:54:36.159
but also the president of MV  had a

03:54:36.239 --> 03:54:39.159
bit of a discussion about the MV lab and

03:54:39.239 --> 03:54:42.680
the housing statement  and it was

03:54:42.760 --> 03:54:46.879
quite good I'll I'll put the rest in

03:54:46.959 --> 03:54:50.159
 in a in an email  one thing that

03:54:50.239 --> 03:54:53.120
was interesting is  we were are the

03:54:53.200 --> 03:54:55.600
hardest hit with the housing

03:54:55.680 --> 03:54:59.520
requirements  within the area followed

03:54:59.600 --> 03:55:01.639
pretty closely by marunda we were at

03:55:01.719 --> 03:55:03.959
107% growth are at

03:55:04.040 --> 03:55:07.280
92% and needless to say our ranges were

03:55:07.360 --> 03:55:11.280
at the bottom at 40 42 47% growth so

03:55:11.360 --> 03:55:13.280
I'll leave it at that may but some

03:55:13.360 --> 03:55:14.799
interesting stuff came out of it that

03:55:14.879 --> 03:55:17.000
will be circulated as soon as we get it

03:55:17.079 --> 03:55:20.120
thank you thank you councelor car

03:55:20.200 --> 03:55:22.520
nothing to report councelor

03:55:22.600 --> 03:55:25.200
Cuts just two reports one is I attend

03:55:25.280 --> 03:55:26.680
with councelor stennet who chaired the

03:55:26.760 --> 03:55:27.760
meeting the Whitehorse sport and

03:55:27.840 --> 03:55:29.639
Recreation reference group there were

03:55:29.719 --> 03:55:32.360
three key takeaways for me one was the

03:55:32.440 --> 03:55:34.239
presentation by one of the members new

03:55:34.319 --> 03:55:37.000
members ran and snip who works at taken

03:55:37.079 --> 03:55:38.479
University and she bought a colleague

03:55:38.559 --> 03:55:41.360
with her on Dr Anthony Walsh  they

03:55:41.440 --> 03:55:43.600
spoke about opportunities to support

03:55:43.680 --> 03:55:45.680
participation in Whitehorse and I have

03:55:45.760 --> 03:55:48.680
to say I think it would be great if the

03:55:48.760 --> 03:55:50.440
counselors and Senior officers actually

03:55:50.520 --> 03:55:52.360
listened to that presentation because it

03:55:52.440 --> 03:55:54.879
was amazing that there was a lot of

03:55:54.959 --> 03:55:56.920
synergies with what our open space is

03:55:57.000 --> 03:55:59.000
and things like that they talked about

03:55:59.079 --> 03:56:01.120
something in my ward about activating

03:56:01.200 --> 03:56:03.479
Abby walk  and it was funny because

03:56:03.559 --> 03:56:04.639
earlier that day I had a meeting with

03:56:04.719 --> 03:56:06.840
Michael sukar MP for d for Deacon and I

03:56:06.920 --> 03:56:09.120
spoke about that so this is very real I

03:56:09.200 --> 03:56:12.040
was doing my advocacy and  it was

03:56:12.120 --> 03:56:14.440
fantastic so the other thing was that we

03:56:14.520 --> 03:56:16.239
also talked about Dave Lane and I used

03:56:16.319 --> 03:56:17.639
that opportunity to bring that up as

03:56:17.719 --> 03:56:20.879
well and he said he agrees  he's in

03:56:20.959 --> 03:56:23.559
support of that but only agrees if

03:56:23.639 --> 03:56:25.280
Council says which clubs are getting the

03:56:25.360 --> 03:56:27.600
use because there's only benefit out of

03:56:27.680 --> 03:56:29.120
it if the beneficiaries know who they

03:56:29.200 --> 03:56:30.360
are and I thought that was a really

03:56:30.440 --> 03:56:32.040
interesting point and something that we

03:56:32.120 --> 03:56:35.200
need to take on Board second thing is 

03:56:35.280 --> 03:56:38.600
I went to a  a very interesting

03:56:38.680 --> 03:56:40.360
professional development with Dr Louise

03:56:40.440 --> 03:56:44.680
Mara on  communication and 

03:56:44.760 --> 03:56:47.600
body language and she's one of the top

03:56:47.680 --> 03:56:51.000
experts in the world not up the top 30

03:56:51.079 --> 03:56:53.479
 we talked about the 7% what you

03:56:53.559 --> 03:56:55.840
actually say affects person's 

03:56:55.920 --> 03:56:57.879
interpretation 38% of how you actually

03:56:57.959 --> 03:57:01.479
say it and  55% body language now you

03:57:01.559 --> 03:57:02.920
know my body language hasn't been great

03:57:03.000 --> 03:57:04.479
tonight May and I will be asking to

03:57:04.559 --> 03:57:07.280
leave the meeting after this so I am I'm

03:57:07.360 --> 03:57:09.479
about to  lose my voice again  but

03:57:09.559 --> 03:57:10.799
anyway that was a really interesting

03:57:10.879 --> 03:57:12.760
thing and it was put on by the VGA which

03:57:12.840 --> 03:57:14.440
is the Victorian local government

03:57:14.520 --> 03:57:16.159
Association of which you're chair so

03:57:16.239 --> 03:57:19.959
that was on Friday the 19th

03:57:20.040 --> 03:57:23.040
of thank you Council Cuts councelor

03:57:23.120 --> 03:57:27.600
mcneel nothing to report councilor State

03:57:27.680 --> 03:57:29.079
thank you be I was going to be brief but

03:57:29.159 --> 03:57:31.360
because no one else says I want either

03:57:31.440 --> 03:57:33.319
 I attended and chaired the White

03:57:33.399 --> 03:57:34.959
House Sports and Rec group on the 18th

03:57:35.040 --> 03:57:38.079
of July we had a very full meeting 

03:57:38.159 --> 03:57:40.319
with three presentations  Council

03:57:40.399 --> 03:57:42.920
officers Ryan hood and Jade Henrik

03:57:43.000 --> 03:57:44.639
provided presentations to the group

03:57:44.719 --> 03:57:48.120
about the gambling policy update  and

03:57:48.200 --> 03:57:50.399
also the fair access policy update both

03:57:50.479 --> 03:57:52.760
matters recently considered by Council

03:57:52.840 --> 03:57:55.719
 Dr ranan sniper who is also member of

03:57:55.799 --> 03:57:57.479
the White House p and Rec group 

03:57:57.559 --> 03:57:59.319
brought her colleague Dr Anthony Walsh

03:57:59.399 --> 03:58:01.559
from Deacon University they presented

03:58:01.639 --> 03:58:03.719
about active Recreation opportunities to

03:58:03.799 --> 03:58:05.920
support participation in Whitehorse

03:58:06.000 --> 03:58:07.680
really interesting to hear what other

03:58:07.760 --> 03:58:09.840
councils are doing and the latest

03:58:09.920 --> 03:58:11.200
research in the area what we can do

03:58:11.280 --> 03:58:14.040
better also we spoke about the upcoming

03:58:14.120 --> 03:58:15.879
Sports and Rec Awards  being held in

03:58:15.959 --> 03:58:18.280
the round later this year Council

03:58:18.360 --> 03:58:19.959
offices are currently working on a short

03:58:20.040 --> 03:58:23.719
list of key keyot speakers for the event

03:58:23.799 --> 03:58:26.120
and nominations for the awards Clos soon

03:58:26.200 --> 03:58:28.040
members of the group we'll have their

03:58:28.120 --> 03:58:32.159
next meeting in September to discuss the

03:58:32.239 --> 03:58:35.319
awards councelor Monroe no report

03:58:35.399 --> 03:58:36.920
Council Barker no

03:58:37.000 --> 03:58:39.639
report well I did say I would keep it

03:58:39.719 --> 03:58:42.440
short and I will  yes I attended the

03:58:42.520 --> 03:58:44.719
whitew business group on the 9 of July

03:58:44.799 --> 03:58:48.360
with  Council Elaine  the White

03:58:48.440 --> 03:58:50.440
Horse reconciliation advisory committee

03:58:50.520 --> 03:58:53.920
we had a meeting on the 11th of July 

03:58:54.000 --> 03:58:56.239
and on that day because it was naok week

03:58:56.319 --> 03:59:00.120
I also attended an event in  noral

03:59:00.200 --> 03:59:03.280
road with two First Nations businesses

03:59:03.360 --> 03:59:07.120
First Nations traffic and MOB jobs  I

03:59:07.200 --> 03:59:09.879
also attended on the 17th of July the

03:59:09.959 --> 03:59:11.959
local government working group on

03:59:12.040 --> 03:59:15.239
gambling and on the the same day I

03:59:15.319 --> 03:59:17.280
attended the Whitehorse Church's care

03:59:17.360 --> 03:59:20.200
food conversations  discussions which

03:59:20.280 --> 03:59:23.079
was very interesting and I also attended

03:59:23.159 --> 03:59:25.559
on the 19th of July the Eastern region

03:59:25.639 --> 03:59:28.280
group and with the MAV session I will

03:59:28.360 --> 03:59:31.079
send out the minutes when they come and

03:59:31.159 --> 03:59:33.760
 and share those with you but  all

03:59:33.840 --> 03:59:36.239
of them were very worthwhile in spending

03:59:36.319 --> 03:59:38.719
time and having some excellent

03:59:38.799 --> 03:59:41.360
discussions Council as I seek a motion

03:59:41.440 --> 03:59:44.280
to receive and note these reports yes I

03:59:44.360 --> 03:59:47.120
second moved councilor Lane seconded

03:59:47.200 --> 03:59:50.280
councelor mcneel all those in

03:59:50.360 --> 03:59:53.719
favor carried

03:59:53.799 --> 03:59:56.559
unanimously that brings us to the close

03:59:56.639 --> 03:59:58.559
of the meeting to the members of the

03:59:58.639 --> 04:00:03.239
public  we will  have a short

04:00:03.319 --> 04:00:06.440
adjournment  as the public leave of 5

04:00:06.520 --> 04:00:09.319
minutes but Council as we have

04:00:09.399 --> 04:00:12.399
confidential items  so you will be

04:00:12.479 --> 04:00:15.280
required in the chamber again within 5

04:00:15.360 --> 04:00:18.440
minutes  to  consider the

04:00:18.520 --> 04:00:22.000
confidential items item 12.1 the

04:00:22.079 --> 04:00:24.760
advanced waste processing project and

04:00:24.840 --> 04:00:28.239
item 12.2 property matter the next

04:00:28.319 --> 04:00:30.600
ordinary council meeting will be held on

04:00:30.680 --> 04:00:32.680
Monday the 12th of August

04:00:32.760 --> 04:00:37.600
2024 I now close the meeting at 11:08

04:00:37.680 --> 04:00:39.920
p.m. councilors you will have a five

04:00:40.000 --> 04:00:43.280
minute recess