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Good evening everyone. I'm councelor

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Kirsten Langford, Mayor of Whitehorse

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City Council and I welcome all who have

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I will now formally open this council

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meeting and will recite the opening and

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the acknowledgement of country. Please

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stand if you are able to.

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We give thanks, O God, for the Men and

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Women of the past whose generous

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devotion to the common good has been the

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making of our City.

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Grant that our own generation may build

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worthily on the foundations that they

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have laid. Direct our minds that all we

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plan and determine is for the well-being

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of our City. Amen.

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Whitehorse City Council acknowledges the

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Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people of the Kulin

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Nation as the traditional owners of the

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land we are meeting on and we pay our

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respects to their elders past, present

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and emerging and Aboriginal and

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Torres Strait Islanders from communities

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who may be present today. Please be

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seated.

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I would now like to introduce our

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counselors commencing with counselors on

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my left. Deputy Mayor Kieran Simpson.

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Good evening, Mayor. Good evening all

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and especially welcome to those in the

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gallery tonight.

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Councelor Andrew Davenport.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Jarrod Gunn.

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Good evening, Mayor. Good evening all.

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Councelor Daniel Griffiths.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Hayley Weller.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Peter Allan.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Jason Martin.

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Hello everyone and thanks for coming

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tonight. Thank you.

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Councelor Prue Cutts.

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Good evening all and especially welcome

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to those who are here in the gallery.

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Thank you. Mayor

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Councelor Ben Stennett.

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Good evening everyone. Welcome.

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Councelor Blair Barker.

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Good evening Mayor. Evening all.

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We are also joined by the CEO and senior

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officers. I will commence with the chief

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executive officer, Simon McMillan.

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Good evening everyone. Welcome.

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Jeff Green, the director of City

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development.

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Lisa Letic, the director of community

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services. Stuart Cann, director of

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corporate services. Andrea Gastine,

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executive manager transformation.

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Vivienne Felano, manager of governance

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and members of the governance and IT

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team.

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Item two, apologies. I will note any

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apologies and seek a motion to accept

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any leave of absence requests. Are there

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any apologies or leave of absence

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requests this evening?

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If there are none, I will move to item

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three.

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Are there any disclosures of interest?

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If so, I will require the counselors and

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officers to disclose that interest and

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the nature of that interest.

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Seeing as there are no disclosures of

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interest, we will move on to the next

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item.

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We move to

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Oh, sorry. Sorry, Mayor. I notice up the

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back in the gallery there's heaps of

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people here. No chairs. Can someone

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My understanding is that the dire

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Stuart Cann and Andrew are already

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getting chairs. Councilor Davenport. Thank

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you.

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We move to confirm. We move to the

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confirmation of the minutes. Before

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confirming, we are noting there is an

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incorrect planning number listed in the

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minutes under the resolution for item

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10.1

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121 Burwood Highway Burwood. Councilors,

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I'm seeking a mover to amend and confirm

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the minutes for the council meeting on

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the 24th

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of November 2025.

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I'll move.

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Thank you. Councelor Martin.

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Happy to second. Mayor

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Thank you. Councelor Cutts. Does the

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mover wish to speak?

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No. May the

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second

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I now put the motion. All those in

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favor?

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Unanimous. I declare the motion carried.

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Item five, urgent business. Councilors,

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are there any items of urgent business

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this evening?

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As there are no matters of urgent

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matters of urgent business, we will move

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to the next item.

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Item six, request to speak. Request to

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speak enables members of the community

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to speak directly to the council at

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council meetings. Each speaker is

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granted up to three minutes to present

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their subject matter and a bell

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will alert you when there are 30 seconds

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remaining. Please ensure that your

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speech is respectful, relevant, and

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expressed in a manner that upholds

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courtesy. Tonight we have seven

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speakers. First to speak tonight is

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Bruce Haynes, Whitehorse Activities

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Club. I now in invite Bruce to the

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Lecton.

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All right. Thank you, Mayor.

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That sounds a bit loud, doesn't it? 

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my name is Bruce Haynes.  I am a

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member of the Whitehorse Activities

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Club which has over 130 members using

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the indoor sports venue at Mahoney's Reserve

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each week and we would like to keep our

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hall. Option one on page 40 of the

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council agenda removes the center of our

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weekly activities and it's been made

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clear to me from my discussions with

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management representatives at both Sport

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Link and Aqualink that neither of these

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venues can accommodate the number of

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sessions of indoor sports currently

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played at Mahoney's Hall.

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This is also confirmed in Otium's report

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which is included in the appendices to

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the agenda.

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Vague asurances have been given in a

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telephone conversation with council

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officer Paul Lala that any any

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difficulties will be ironed out at some

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future date when more basketball courts

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are provided at East Burwood Reserve.

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However, by planning to demolish Mahoney's

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Hall without first providing a

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guaranteed alternative venue that meets

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the requirements of current users, we

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believe we are being discriminated

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against. Millions of rateayers dollars

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are being provided in the development of

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outdoor sports venues throughout the

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City of Whitehorse. And yet Lars appears

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happy to evict our indoor sports players

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from the venue they have used for 57

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years and to  shunt them off to some

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other site likely to be unsuitable.

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I'd like to propose another option as

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follows. Option five, continue to

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maintain Mahoney's Hall as a fully

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functioning indoor sports venue until a

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new more suitable venue has been built

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that is clearly available as an

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alternative.

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The merging of cricket and soccer club

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pavilions can still occur and as

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suggested can be built on part of the

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existing car park while leaving the old

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hall in place until after a new indoor

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facility has been built that is

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operating successfully and which meets

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the requirements of current users of

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Mahoney's hall.

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Simon Leisure recognizes the need to

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upgrade the hall toilets to meet DDA

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requirements,

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but reports that the hall itself is in

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good condition.

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And it makes clear that of all of the

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facilities on Mahoney's Reserve, the hall

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has by far the greatest usage on each

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day and each week of the year.

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In addition, I'd like to add

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that the flood modeling advice from

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2021, which is included in the agenda,

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is is out of date.

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Bruce and three minutes is up. I

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apologize.

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Site drainage,

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thank you, Bruce,

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has been fixed.

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Thank you, Bruce.

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Our next speaker is Fiona Haynes,

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Blackburn North. I now invite Fiona to

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the lecturn.

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Thank you, Mayor. And thank you

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counselors.

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Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

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My name is Fiona Haynes, professorial

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fellow in criminology from the

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University of Melbourne, honorary

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professor at A&U and fellow of the

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Academy of Social Sciences in Australia.

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I'm also Bruce Haynes's wife and I speak

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as a long-term resident of Whitehorse.

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I oppose the demolition of the indoor

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sports hall at Mahoney's Reserve. It is only

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one of three facilities in Whitehorse

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that it can accommodate indoor sports

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for older residents, specifically

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badminton and table tennis. Demolishing

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it would reduce access to these sports

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by 33%.

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To have the same impact on soccer,

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cricket, and Aussie rules, the City of

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Whitehorse would require demolishing 18

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of the current 54 cricket, soccer, and

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football fields. Mahoney's reserve is fully

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utilized. Currently, over 300 players

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from a range of of  clubs use the

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venue for indoor sports.

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This facility is crucial for the mental

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and physical health of the older mainly

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a mostly Asian residents.

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Bruce often recounts stories of the

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benefits of physical fitness and

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companionship built in these groups that

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combat loneliness, illness, and

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bereiement. It should be the poster

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child of positive aging, not a

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demolition site.

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This does not have to happen. Those

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advocating to retain Mahoney's Hall welcome

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the current outdoor sports being

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accommodated alongside table tennis and

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bminton. They advocate for equal

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consideration, not for the benefit of

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one at the expense of the other.

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I understand that the current hall can

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be refurbished at much lower financial

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and environmental impact. As a

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long-standing rateayer, I would welcome

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this outcome.

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If the hall is demolished and rebuilt

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for outdoor sports, it sends a strong

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signal that Whitehorse Council and the

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counselors consider the rights and lives

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of older citizens in Whitehorse as

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lesser to residents that play outdoor

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sports.

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This is another form of prejudice

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similar to the lack of historical

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support for women's sport in this

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country. As an academic and researcher,

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if I were asked to write a research

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report on the decision to demolish the

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hall, I would point out that such a

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decision is agist and biased against the

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older citizens of this council area. I

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would recommend that those affected

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present their case to the Equal

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Opportunity Commission or another body

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that can address this inequity. Thank

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Thank you, Fiona. Our next speaker is

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Peter Halulus from Nunawading City

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Football Club. I now invite Peter to the

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lecton.

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Appreciate the opportunity to contribute

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today.  congratulation on the recent

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appointments with  Mayor Langford and

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Deputy Mayor Simpson.  my name is

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Peter Hulos. I'm a senior women's head

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coach and TD at Nanawading City, a

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growing community platform for women

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girls to play in the local community.

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Currently, we have close to 400 members

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playing football. Out of those 400

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members, we have 100 females playing in

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in various leagues we're here today

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to to highlight and discuss the urgency

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of the infrastructure upgrade at

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Mahoney's reserve with  coexistence

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with our  cricket club  Nunawading who

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have also got a high volume of female

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players.  Nunawading has a heavy

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investment in the women's game. We

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currently have seven teams ranging from

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Monday 11s  to our state league senior

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women's team who have also been 

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appointed and approved to go up another

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division next year  none of

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none City was also chosen to compete in

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the girls community premier league 

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from another 25 clubs through the

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intense selection from football

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victoria. So, we put a criteria together

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to win the bid to play in the community

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Premier League and that now has

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grown to 24 teams within the division.

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And the season now commences in March

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where traditionally it was in April. In

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the last 8 years, we've grown from 20 

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players to over 100. Um, as part of

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Football Victoria game changer

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initiative, one common KPI is to have a

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50/50 ratio. Nunawading is heading towards

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this with our squads each year winning

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the leagues and obtaining new players

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from various clubs coming. Our main

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challenge is having the same

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representation with female facilities.

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Our daily challenge is female players

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needing to wait for male players to

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finish using the change rooms prior to

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the women girls usage. This is a weekly

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challenge with our fixture. highlights

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how critical it is um for our growing

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women's game. There's currently no

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female friendly change facilities, only

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two male change rooms.  further to

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address, the CPR brings um each fortnight

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fixture under 13s, under 17s and state

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league women. We have 150 females that

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participate every fortnight at at

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nonawatting facilities. Um and we just

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can't cater with with no women

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facilities, toilets, showers and so

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forth we also have the inability to

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address  disabled parents, the

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disability we've got no  you know

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access for them. Many watch the games

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behind the fence.

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Thank you, Peter.

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Okay.

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Our next speaker is Ying Ni, Box Hill

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North. I invite Ying to the lectern.

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Thanks, Mayor and the councilors. My

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name is Yingi. I have lived in White

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House since 2000. I'm a member of the

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Whitehorse activities club and have

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played table tennis in Menace Hall twice

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a week for the past eight years. I enjoy

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it very much. I'm here to support the

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manners reserve draft master plan

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council report prevailing development

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option three and I am opposed to option

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one participating indoor sports like

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table tennis is very beneficial for

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seniors such as improving brand health

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physical fitness and increasing social

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connection

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report makes it clear that we need more

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indoor sports courts such as table

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tennis and the badminton courts for

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seniors because there will be a

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increasing demand for social and therapy

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based indoor sport programs from people

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aged 50 years yes and over in white

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horse according to autumn report table

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tennis is the second most popular indoor

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sport in Whitehorse after basketball

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the draft indoor sports plan admits

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there is a shortfall of complaint indoor

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courts by 2046.

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Option one does not address the

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shortfall of table tennis courts but

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increases the shortfall by demolishing

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the manness hall. In the menace reserve

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draft master plan council report equity

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inclusion and human rights

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considerations. Option one does raise a

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significant rights issue by ignoring the

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value both physical and social aspects

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of the indoor sports that are currently

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played by people over 65 years old. The

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proposal to demolishing menace hall

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takes away a valuable assets for our

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aging population. That means our seniors

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are discrim discriminated

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in terms of participation of indoor

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sports. Prevailing development policy

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2019 stated the policy notes that

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council's priority is to renew and or

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refurbish existing sports pavilions

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before considering and planning for the

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development of new facilities.

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Option option one contradicts the policy

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by putting the development over the

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renewal or refurbishing. However, option

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three meets the policy. It is also

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supported by autumn's report about

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manners reserve northern paviling.

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Overall the facility was assessed as

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capable of handling handling its

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intended use whereas a link has been

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assessed as not capable of handling its

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intended use.

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Thank you Ying.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Grant Smith from

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Blackburn. I now invite Grant invite

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Grant to the Bleton.

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thank you Mayor and counselors for the

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opportunity to speak and good evening.

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My name is Grant and I've recently

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retired from the paid workforce and as

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part of my transition to repi retirement

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 plan. and I joined the White House

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activities group three years ago and I'm

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asking you to vote against the proposed

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master plan development, specifically

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the demolish of the hall on the grounds

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that the proposed building development

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does not provide facilities for the

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Whitehorse activities group. Um 300

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plus users of the pavilion have been

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left with no assurance of a place to go

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to. We want and need a complex to play

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table tennis, badminton and indoor

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bowls. We need these activities because

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they are fun and help us connect to our

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community and empower us. We don't want

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the council to tell us what we enjoy and

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need. Seniors don't do not want to

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exercise in the rain, cold or extreme

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heat. They want exercise that interests

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their preferences and their choices. We

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want decent facilities and do deserve to

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be treated as well as any other young

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person in the community. We want

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buildings that provide in indoor

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facilities for small courts. We believe

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these buildings should fairly represent

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all ethnic groups and genders in the

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Whitehorse community.

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It's a stark fact that in the not too

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distant future  there will be less

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young people in our community and we

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need more affordable facility to support

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the well-being of our growing senior

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community.

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We need to look at building facilities

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that can provide appropriate activities

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geared to seniors with sustainability of

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health and age services being a

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priority.

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We don't need soccer ovals, footy ovals

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and sports pavilions. We love indoor

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games like table tennis, bad mitten and

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bowls.

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Every year the number of people retiring

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is doubling. It's exponential and it's

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real.

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I've been to the Nanawatting Community

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Hub to inquire about table tennis, bad

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mitten, and bowling

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and um I cannot get into any of their

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classes, let alone choose a class I

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might enjoy. You can go on a wait list,

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but it is still difficult to secure a

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class. None U3A is bursting at the

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seams. There's a huge demand in our

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senior community for activities. Will

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the council consider improving the

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facilities rather than ousting our group

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from the center? When will council

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listen to the voice of the wider

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community? Thank you.

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Thank you, Grant.

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Our next speaker is Chi Man Phillips

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Kung, Doncaster East. I now invite Chi

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to the lecton.

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Good evening everybody. My name is Felix

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and I'm writing on behalf of the Bwan

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United Table Tennis Club

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to formally request the inclusion of

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table tennis facility in the new

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prevailing currently planned by the

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White House council. I understand that

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the existing center will soon be

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demolished and replaced by a new complex

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but we are deeply concerned to learn

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that temple tenants will not be included

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in a new design. We respectfully urge

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the White House council to reconsider

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this decision for the following reasons.

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First, a 14 years sporting committee

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with proven impact. Our club was

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established in 2012 and has served

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residents for 14 years. Many of our

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regular members are senior citizens who

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rely on table tennis as a safe, low

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impact, high beneficial form of physical

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activity. For a decade, our club has

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contributed positively to their physical

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health, mental well-being, and community

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engagement. Second, we have successfully

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developed a world-class talent. Although

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our club is small, his contribution to

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Australia sport is significant. Nicholas

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Num, a current Australian national team

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player, tennis player, began his table

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tennis journey at our club when he was

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only 9 years old. He trained and

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developed within our facilities and

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before eventually progressing to the

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national team. Today he's not only

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representing Australia at the Olympic

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Games, but he is also the first

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Australian to be ranked among the top 30

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in the world. This is a remarkable

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achievement that demonstrates the

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long-term value of our club's work for

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the community and Australian sport as a

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whole. Third, supporting the next

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generation of young players. Every

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Saturday afternoon our club running

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training for children in the community.

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We aim to nurture the second generation

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of players young airless who like

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Nicholas for high participation and

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strong community demand under the roof

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of ESCTA. I organized a three person

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tent team penant on Thursday night with

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three seasons throughout the year.

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agencies in a strong attendance show

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that table tennis is highly valued and

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actively used by the community members

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of all ages. Five essential health

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benefits for aging community. Table

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tennis is widely recognized as one of

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the most suitable sports for all adults.

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It improves balance, reflex

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coordination, cardiovascular health,

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cognitive function and also reduce

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isolation by providing regular social

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interaction. Six, a new community center

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should expand, not reduce services.

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Redevelop redevelopment standard should

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enhance community facility and support a

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quick range of activities.

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In conclusion, a respectful request for

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reconsideration

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for all the above reasons, our long

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history, our contribution to the public

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health, our proven record of producing

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elite athletes with strong youth

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development. We respect request the by

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house council reinstate table tennis.

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Thank you chief.

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Our next speaker is Christine Kenyon

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Rdich from Blackburn South. I invite

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Christine to the lecton.

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Good evening Mayor counselors and the

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public. My name is Christine Kenny

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Rutled and I'm here representing locals

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of Ily Ward and in particular neighbors

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of Orchard Grove Reserve and Warren Jury

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Walk in Blackburn South. The proposal of

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a walking path at the northernmost

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paddic concerns a large number of

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locals. We already have issues with

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speeding in the local streets,

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antisocial behavior in the park, and

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inappropriate use of the car park

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adjacent to the playground. With the

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current level of youth crime in

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Melbourne, including Whitehorse,

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residents are already feeling uneasy in

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their own homes, including myself.

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Adding a walkway close to residents

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homes right up to their backyards

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risks exacerbating this issue.

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Even with the alterations to the plan,

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these concerns still persist.

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The second matter is a proposal by

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locals of an official offle dog park in

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this area. This area is already

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currently used as an official sorry

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unofficial dog park and dogs are

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currently walked throughout the whole

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park off leash creating conflict with

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those who prefer dogs remain on lead.

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Establishing a defined off leash area

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would allow dogs to be exercised safely

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and responsibly while enabling other

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park users to avoid the off leash areas

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if they wish.

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We also currently have a petition with

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over 160 signatures.

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The unofficial dog park has fostered a

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strong sense of community in the local

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area and as a mother of a young child

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and one on the way, I've been able to

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find my community here, too.

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There is only one off leash dog park for

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each 380 dogs in Whitehorse and we've

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just request one more in this area.

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We are asking for a return of the park

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to its origins as a horse paddic by

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opening it up to domestic animals. Thank

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you.

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Thank youine.

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Thank you Christine. We have eight

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public questions this evening from four

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submitters. The first two questions are

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from Michael Frost Nanowading. The

00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.376
questions will be read out and responded

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to by Lisa Letic director of community

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services. Lisa, can you please come to

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the lecton to address this question?

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Thank you, Mayor. Question one. In terms

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of offle dog areas, I live in a black

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spot. There is nothing within walking

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distance. I understand there is a

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municipalitywide plan in development for

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a short-term solution. Can the area

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adjacent to the toilet blocks in Walker

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Park be used immediately for off leash

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exercise? The response. The draft fenced

00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.696
dog park technical report recommends a

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broader review of off leash areas to

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help address gaps in dog off leash

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provision. Walker Park is currently not

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designated as an off leash area. Any

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changes to the designation of the Walker

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Park or sections of it is best

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considered through this review process.

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The second question. Each morning I go

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to Nickel Street Dog Park. The other one

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in the area is full of dog excrement, so

00:28:12.399 --> 00:28:14.535
I avoid it. There is no water in that

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.015
park. My dog has been taken to the vet

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on more than one occasion because he has

00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:20.616
drunken contaminated water from a

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bucket. As an immediate solution for

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summer, can a tap be installed or some

00:28:25.520 --> 00:28:27.496
arrangement made with the tennis club to

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access their tap? And the response,

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thank you for your feedback regarding

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Nickel Park. Council is planning to

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install a drinking water fountain at

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this park early next year. Thank you.

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Thank you, Lisa. The next two questions

00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.816
are from Kevin Earl, Box Hill. The

00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:45.655
questions will be read out and responded

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to by Jeff Green, director of City

00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:49.655
development. Jeff, can you please come

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to the lecton and address these

00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:52.856
questions?

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Thank you, Mayor. Question one, how many

00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.736
more years before the DDA access and

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parking will be reinstated in Young

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Street Boxill between Prospect Street

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and Whitehorse Road and the replacement

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.096
of the park through your Mayor. The

00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:08.936
section of Young Street is currently an

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enclosed area under the control of the

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.736
developer. Council recently approved

00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:15.176
landscape plans submitted by the

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developer allowing reinstatement works

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to commence. The developer will now

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engage a contractor to carry out the

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works under council's supervision.

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At this stage, we're unable to provide a

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completion date. However, the works are

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expected to commence early in 2026.

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Question two, has the council been given

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the land for the bicycle pedestrian

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extension lane at the end of Nelson Road

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and been advised to its time frame for

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construction?

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through your Mayor. Council has not been

00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:48.216
given the land and has not been advised

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of a time frame for construction. Thank

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you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Jeff. The final four

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questions are from Rebecca Carland and

00:29:55.919 --> 00:29:58.919
Daniel Carland from Vermont South. These

00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:00.696
questions will be read out and responded

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to by Steven White, director of

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infrastructure. Steven, can you please

00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:06.775
come to the lecton and address these

00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.616
questions?

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, thank you, Mayor.  the first

00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:11.895
question is according to council's

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website on the 30th of June 2024 its

00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.880
population was 183,463

00:30:18.320 --> 00:30:21.320
with 75.6% of households being families.

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Why does the curbside consultation fail

00:30:23.919 --> 00:30:25.176
to consider the needs of larger

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.496
families? 36 children were consulted and

00:30:27.520 --> 00:30:29.895
30 said they did not support moving to

00:30:29.919 --> 00:30:31.496
fortnightly rubbish for reasons of

00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.520
larger families. But that only but that

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.535
was the only reference to larger

00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.135
families. So why is the waste report

00:30:38.159 --> 00:30:39.416
being brought to council for a

00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:40.856
resolution when the needs of larger

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.056
families have not been considered,

00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:43.496
especially when families make up the

00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:45.895
majority of the municipal municipality

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and the majority supported option one.

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In response from the 2021 census data,

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there are 65,115

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households in Whitehorse. 48%

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of those, 48% live alone or a couple

00:31:00.320 --> 00:31:03.320
without children. 33.1% are couples with

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.440
children. 9.7% are one parent families

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.640
and 4.6% group households. The

00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:11.176
consultation was developed with all

00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:12.696
households in mind and a variety of

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.296
targeted engagement methods were used to

00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:16.296
ensure all voices were heard with the

00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:17.976
particular attention to those households

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.336
likely to be most affected by the

00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:21.976
changes. The council report outlines

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.135
that families responded with concerns

00:31:24.159 --> 00:31:25.816
about bin sizes and the attached

00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:27.816
consultation report describes how some

00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:29.496
respondents indicated that a fortnightly

00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:31.176
garbage service was acceptable if a

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.895
larger bin option was available.

00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:36.135
Um, question two, the waste management

00:31:36.159 --> 00:31:38.535
strategy attachments refer to

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.135
demographics but failed to provide the

00:31:40.159 --> 00:31:42.936
breakdown of survey responses by age and

00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.616
the number of people per household. The

00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:45.976
survey responses accounted for

00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.135
approximately 3.5% of the total white

00:31:48.159 --> 00:31:50.456
horse population where the majority of

00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.480
respondents supported option one was

00:31:53.600 --> 00:31:55.416
what is the breakdown by age and number

00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.096
of residents per household in the survey

00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:58.616
responses and how does this compare with

00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:00.296
the total Whitehorse population

00:32:00.320 --> 00:32:02.296
statistics for those same measures? How

00:32:02.320 --> 00:32:03.976
can the council say genuine consultation

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.576
has occurred with so little engagement

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:07.816
when they acknowledge only 5% downloaded

00:32:07.840 --> 00:32:10.535
the documents? In response, it was

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.056
identified through the consultation that

00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:13.495
changing to a fort like the garbage

00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.856
collection service will impact

00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.015
households with specific capaCity

00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.336
constraints. This includes families with

00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:21.096
nappies or residents with medical needs

00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:23.096
that generate more waste. The community

00:32:23.120 --> 00:32:25.176
consultation report on page 22 includes

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.936
a breakdown of the household structure

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.616
of those that said they could not manage

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.456
fortnight garbage collection even with a

00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.135
larger or additional bin. The

00:32:32.159 --> 00:32:33.895
consultation report attachment outlines

00:32:33.919 --> 00:32:35.736
the evidence from the focus groups that

00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:37.495
suggested that once participants had

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.336
more information regarding the benefits

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:41.816
of more frequent Foggo collection, they

00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:43.096
changed their preference from weekly

00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:45.015
garbage to fortnightly garbage.

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.096
Statistically based on the current White

00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:50.120
Horse population of 183,462,

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.559
the council's your age page survey um of

00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.056
5,535

00:32:56.080 --> 00:32:58.456
responses exceeds industry standard and

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.456
95% confidence level that the results

00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.296
accurately reflects the attitudes of the

00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:04.616
population and that's based on a 1.5%

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margin for error.

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Um from the second submitter um the

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.216
first question is regarding the waste

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.176
collection report/curbside bin strategy.

00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.775
We have a large family that includes

00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.535
adult children and regular visits from

00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.616
their partners. We regularly cannot cope

00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.056
with the 80 liter bin that council

00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:23.655
provide for rubbish collection and we

00:33:23.679 --> 00:33:25.655
overflow the recycling bin. How do you

00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:27.255
expect us to manage fortnightly waste

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.495
with the same sized 80 L bin that was

00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.816
suggested in consultation option two?

00:33:31.840 --> 00:33:34.456
Will the bin size be increased to 240 L?

00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.216
If not, what bin size is being proposed

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.216
for larger family households who are

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.375
already who are already struggling? This

00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:42.375
appears to have been overlooked. In

00:33:42.399 --> 00:33:44.135
response, bin audits show that around

00:33:44.159 --> 00:33:46.375
40% of the contents of a garbage bin is

00:33:46.399 --> 00:33:48.535
food or organic material that can go in

00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.936
the foggo bin. If all food and organic

00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.255
materials placed in the fog foggo bin

00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.176
collected weekly, there is less waste in

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.336
the garbage bin. As outlined in the

00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:59.096
council report, it is proposed that

00:33:59.120 --> 00:34:01.336
larger bin options will be available. If

00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:02.856
a household seeks a larger bin, the

00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.296
additional cost will be proportional to

00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:05.816
the additional volume with council

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:07.736
continuing to set the bin fees each

00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:10.296
year. Current garbage bins are available

00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.095
in 80 liter, 120 liter, and 240 liter

00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:14.855
and subsidies and rebates are proposed

00:34:14.879 --> 00:34:16.536
for families with medical needs or with

00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:18.456
children with nappies. The community

00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.615
engagement attachment to the report to

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.216
the council report describes that

00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:24.536
households with higher waste needs are

00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:26.696
the least able to manage with a Fortn

00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:29.176
collection and may require larger bins.

00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:32.200
Um the second question is regarding the

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.615
waste collection curbside bin report.

00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.055
What benchmarking has been done to

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.895
compare bin sizes, cost and resident

00:34:37.919 --> 00:34:39.256
feedback in neighboring municipalities

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.095
like Nox and me who have already

00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.456
transitioned to fortnightly rubbish

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.095
collection, noting Mish Mesh has 240 L

00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.655
rubbish collected fortnightly. Why is it

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.496
why is council seeking to reduce bin

00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:50.615
sizes beyond those of other

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.135
municipalities that already have

00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:53.736
problems with larger bin sizes and

00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.760
fortnightly collection? And on what and

00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.496
on what evidence is council relying to

00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:01.176
state that larger families can exist

00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:03.176
with 80 liter red rubbish removal

00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:05.496
fortnightly. In response, council has

00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:06.856
done extensive benchmarking with

00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:07.976
neighboring councils that have

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.416
transitioned to a fortnightly garbage

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.256
collection. Nox, Manningham, and

00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.016
Burandara have a fortnightly garbage

00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:16.040
collection with an 80 liter bin, 80 lit

00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.079
garbage bin um

00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:22.216
as standard, and some households access

00:35:22.240 --> 00:35:23.976
larger or additional bins by paying an

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.055
additional fee with subsidies and

00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.656
rebates to certain households with

00:35:27.680 --> 00:35:29.736
medical needs or children in nappies.

00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.760
MES has a standard 120 L garbage bin and

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.095
households can pay a fee for a bigger or

00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.095
extra bin. Council is not seeking to

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.776
reduce bin sizes and like neighboring

00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:40.296
councils, if households are unable to

00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.216
manage with minimum service, they can

00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:43.815
add additional or larger bins for a fee

00:35:43.839 --> 00:35:45.496
that would be set by the council each

00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:47.896
year. Thank you, Mayor.

00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.976
Thank you, Steven. Item eight,

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:51.896
petitions. We have no petitions this

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.896
evening. As there are no petitions, we

00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.456
will move on to the next item. Item

00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.856
nine, notice of motions. We have two

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.416
notice of motions tonight.

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Item 9.1, child child care center in

00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.976
Boxill.

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.136
Can I have a counselor to move the item?

00:36:10.160 --> 00:36:11.736
Yes, madame Mayor. I move the council

00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.736
seek an officer's report on the implica

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.296
on the implications of establishing a

00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:18.536
council run early childhood education

00:36:18.560 --> 00:36:21.560
and care service in Box Hill.

00:36:21.839 --> 00:36:24.055
Is there a seconder?

00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:25.416
I'll second. May.

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.976
Thank you, councelor Martin.

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.656
are the

00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:31.416
um over to you councelor Martin.

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.776
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:33.815
Madame Mayor. Thank you, councelor

00:36:33.839 --> 00:36:36.296
Martin. I was bit  I was hoping I

00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.216
might I might ditch out on getting a

00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:39.656
second there for a second, but anyway,

00:36:39.680 --> 00:36:42.536
thank you very much. Um

00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:45.016
um Madame Mayor, as you know, Boxill is

00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:48.040
a is a growing  suburb.  we all know

00:36:48.240 --> 00:36:51.240
that and  and well into the future too

00:36:51.359 --> 00:36:53.496
as well with all the the planned 

00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:56.520
development and  could face likely

00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:00.456
child care shortages and with the high

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.480
fees that um some of the private

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.320
 sector um child care centers  the

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.480
 well above that will impact or could

00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.656
have an impact on working families. We

00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:16.680
have three  centers that council 

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.119
now runs and  and  they are well

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.616
utilized.  of course they are

00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:25.640
affordable and inexpensive  in  as

00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:29.079
opposed to  private private options.

00:37:29.359 --> 00:37:31.095
Councils are best placed to understand

00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.055
community needs and planning essential

00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.976
services that benefit the younger

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.376
parental parent

00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.456
 residents including early learning

00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.480
for child development and of course for

00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:46.520
 workforce participation.  child

00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.095
care is expensive. I think we all know

00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.119
that.  private child care as I said is

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.296
overall pretty good. I have no argument

00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.320
with private  child care centers. Um

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.616
but you know once again like in any

00:38:00.640 --> 00:38:02.456
industries there are good ones and there

00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.616
are some dodgy ones and we know that too

00:38:04.640 --> 00:38:07.256
very well especially within the news

00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.280
lately. Private um operators run a

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.216
business. It is a business and quite

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:15.016
legitimately too and they run it for

00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:16.776
they run it to make a profit. There's

00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:17.976
nothing wrong with that. That's the

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.000
that's the society we live in. Um but as

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:24.776
a council we we we I think we have a a

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.416
duty of care to go beyond that.

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.440
 for our working families.  they um

00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:33.656
they they um as I said they focus for

00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:36.055
profit but  I can we can ensure that

00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.079
with a council run  center in in

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.896
Boxill it we have it's universal access

00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.920
and benefits  the whole community um

00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:48.856
with council providing accessible and

00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.176
affordable child care. It helps reduce

00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:53.656
financial pressure on young families and

00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:56.680
particularly  benefit women working to

00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.815
seek to go back into the  workforce

00:38:59.839 --> 00:39:02.055
with council operating these centers.

00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.079
This allows us to gather also vital data

00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:07.896
for future planning  early years and

00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.976
with early years services ensuring that

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.456
our cities  in developing needs are

00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.480
met effectively and efficiently by

00:39:15.839 --> 00:39:18.839
reestablishing a council run center in

00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:22.040
Boxill.  we can proactively invest um

00:39:23.359 --> 00:39:26.296
in the in the community  and for the

00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.296
child for children's future in that

00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.320
community. And um I think it's it's

00:39:31.359 --> 00:39:33.176
about time we had a really good serious

00:39:33.200 --> 00:39:35.976
look at  running a new center in in

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.000
Boxill. We should al we um we do we

00:39:40.160 --> 00:39:42.776
should see child care  council run

00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:44.776
child care as an essential service just

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.800
like open space, sporting ovals, 

00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:50.776
community centers, indoor sports, 

00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.256
neighborhood houses and I think we do

00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.736
that  we spend a lot of money on those

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.536
particular  items and I think this is

00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:01.560
should be no exception. Um the costs 

00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.456
currently at more or less break even at

00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.536
the moment.  even when you cons

00:40:06.560 --> 00:40:08.536
include management and corporate 

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:11.560
overheads and capital and  family and

00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:15.720
 facility management costs. So they're

00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.136
not really as what the perception is the

00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:21.160
council run  child care drain on on on

00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:24.200
the budget. I dispute that. Anyway, I

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.960
I'm asking the bottom line is this is is

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.696
a report. It's not saying that we do go

00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:33.176
ahead or we don't go ahead. It's a

00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:34.936
report that the officers will do in

00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.815
their professional capaCity and  if it

00:40:37.839 --> 00:40:40.376
if it's deemed  the information that

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.335
we get  then we can make a decision 

00:40:43.359 --> 00:40:45.736
one way the one way or the other  to

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.815
go to reestablish it. I think it's a

00:40:47.839 --> 00:40:50.216
worthwhile enterprise to do and  I

00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:53.240
seek council's support for this report.

00:40:53.680 --> 00:40:55.416
Thank you very much.

00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.216
Thank you councelor Allan. The seconder

00:40:58.240 --> 00:41:00.696
councelor Martin, do you wish to speak?

00:41:00.720 --> 00:41:03.416
Yes, Mayor. Um thanks Mayor. Thanks

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.176
councel. So I'd second to that so I

00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:06.776
could just hear what your thoughts were

00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.800
on the matter. Um personally um I'm not

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.920
sure child care is a core um council

00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.095
business even though we do participate

00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:16.776
in three childcare centers. I'd probably

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.095
say there must be close to 100 childcare

00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.055
centers around White. I'm not sure. So

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.696
um yeah I I I probably won't be

00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:26.216
supporting this motion but I did want to

00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:27.736
give you the opportunity to speak. So

00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.256
thank you councelor Ellen. And that's

00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.575
all I have. Thank you councelor Martin.

00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.055
Are there any other I have a question?

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.936
Yes. Um I just wanted to understand what

00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.696
are the current and future needs of

00:41:38.720 --> 00:41:40.536
child care in in the boxill and white

00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:42.616
horse area generally and also about

00:41:42.640 --> 00:41:44.616
council's um commitment given we've only

00:41:44.640 --> 00:41:46.295
got three childcare centers if that

00:41:46.319 --> 00:41:49.319
could be answered by an offic

00:41:56.560 --> 00:41:58.856
you may the

00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.016
current analysis of childcare supply

00:42:01.040 --> 00:42:02.696
within Whitehorse and the boxill area

00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:03.815
would suggest that there's an over

00:42:03.839 --> 00:42:06.456
supply of child care and I'm sorry I

00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.216
missed the second question.

00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:11.240
Oh, it was generally butill and also in

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.016
terms of council

00:42:13.040 --> 00:42:16.040
oh in terms of council run facilities

00:42:17.520 --> 00:42:19.095
if that's an area that we've been

00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.815
looking to expand.

00:42:21.839 --> 00:42:24.839
Um I can't comment about whether it's an

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.016
area we'd expand. our existing childare

00:42:27.040 --> 00:42:30.040
services are um have are I guess

00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:34.616
volatile in relation to demand. So

00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:37.256
there's um peaks and troughs in childare

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.280
demand. There is a um

00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:43.335
underutilization but there's also a

00:42:43.359 --> 00:42:44.936
waiting list which is one of the

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.856
challenges with with child care because

00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.335
the demand is for particular days and

00:42:49.359 --> 00:42:52.055
hours. So they'll win over

00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.656
um

00:42:53.680 --> 00:42:55.496
an under supply for particular hours in

00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:56.696
service, but there will be other hours

00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:58.616
in service that are um have got

00:42:58.640 --> 00:43:01.176
significant vacancies. So it's a

00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:04.200
difficult one to to answer on the spot.

00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.736
Thank you.

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.736
Thank you.

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.760
Are there any other

00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:15.240
Thanks. Um councilors or may this is um

00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.136
a bit performative in my view. It's

00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:21.160
rather trendy in Victoria these days.

00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.256
And of course, the subtext of the

00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.456
premise is that of course only

00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.856
government does things properly. Now, we

00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.416
know that is utter nonsense. Sort of

00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.815
dressed up as harmless nostalgia. You

00:43:31.839 --> 00:43:33.496
look at Sar Park Swimming Club. You look

00:43:33.520 --> 00:43:35.176
at Murak Golf Course with the swing

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.656
factory. All these people that run some

00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:39.656
of the most successful institutions in

00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:40.776
our country are for-p profofit

00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.616
organizations or not for-p profofit.

00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:44.696
They are not government organizations.

00:43:44.720 --> 00:43:46.536
They are NOS's.

00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:48.376
They often have more scale. They have

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.376
more expertise. They have more focus.

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.376
They have more discipline. Surrey Park

00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.400
Swimming Club runs our um our um adult

00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.295
migrant swimming program because they

00:43:58.319 --> 00:44:00.055
have the capaCity to do it. They have

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.136
the scale to do it. That's what they do.

00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:04.696
And that's the same with our child care

00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:07.656
providers. I was proud to say I voted to

00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:10.136
close the last government, sorry, the

00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:12.376
last council run child care facility in

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:13.896
Boxill and that was at Aqualink because

00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.216
it was being used by six people a week

00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:17.575
and those people weren't actually using

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:18.936
Aqualink. They were going shopping in

00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.936
Boxill and that was costing the rate

00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.896
payers nearly $200,000 a year and that's

00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.776
the problem when we start to focus on

00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.696
specific pressure groups and interest

00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:30.936
groups. You want to spend $20 million

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.536
building a child care center that these

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:33.896
real estate investment trusts are

00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.575
building for for that sort of money with

00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.599
200 seats. The benefit accrews to 100

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.800
plus families. 100 families.

00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.736
That's a specific a very very specific

00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.256
group. You look at the people that

00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.976
played table tennis in Forest Hill is

00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.295
far bigger than that. But you want to

00:44:52.319 --> 00:44:54.456
squander $20 million of rate payers

00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.095
money on that sort of thing. I find

00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.496
somewhat concerning. I'd also say it's

00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:01.335
economically reckless because as we all

00:45:01.359 --> 00:45:04.359
know may we have the um competitive

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.456
neutrality which means that we cannot

00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.480
undercut the um commercial providers for

00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.920
very good reasons. So if we charge $3 a

00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:15.575
day less for child care that's probably

00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.416
because our facilities are older and

00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.256
someone else has spent $20 million

00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.280
putting mircats and gerbles and hamsters

00:45:22.560 --> 00:45:25.176
in them and fish tanks and whatnot. We

00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:26.776
can't we don't have the money to do that

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.335
to acrewue a benefit for 100 people for

00:45:29.359 --> 00:45:31.736
$20 million when we know you know this

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.416
think of the sort of indoor sports in we

00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.416
could build for $20 million. It's it's

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.095
ridiculous.

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:38.536
We don't have the scale. We don't have

00:45:38.560 --> 00:45:41.560
the expertise. Um you know counselors

00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.536
there are some things that we just not

00:45:44.560 --> 00:45:47.560
equipped to do effectively. Child care

00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:48.856
is going to be one of those things

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.696
that's very difficult for us going

00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:53.176
forward. We need to stick to focusing on

00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:54.936
delivering and improving the lives as

00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.095
the most number of people we possibly

00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.119
can. Please reject this councilors.

00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:03.095
Thank you, Councelor Barker. Are there

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:04.456
any other speakers to the motion?

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:05.176
Yes, Mayor.

00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:07.896
Thank you. I'm also speaking um against

00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:08.616
um

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:10.536
the the first I think that councelor

00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:13.560
Barker had um read my mind as I was

00:46:13.680 --> 00:46:16.680
drafting notes um earlier today but

00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.376
there were a few points that I wanted to

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.216
add in addition to what you've raised 

00:46:20.240 --> 00:46:23.240
council Barker the first is that um

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.055
we've seen a lot of private providers

00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.079
seeking permits within um Boxill and

00:46:29.359 --> 00:46:32.359
when we had undertaken to sell the site

00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.880
um at Carrington Road Um

00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.815
yeah, Carrington Road, we included as a

00:46:39.839 --> 00:46:42.839
condition as sale that a new center

00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.280
would be opened with that facility. A

00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:48.536
new center would be opened for that

00:46:48.560 --> 00:46:51.016
facility. And the idea behind it is that

00:46:51.040 --> 00:46:54.040
it was a bit of asset recycling and as

00:46:54.720 --> 00:46:57.496
part of that development there would be

00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.896
child care. And that was our response 

00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:02.920
at the time  to  that particular

00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:06.520
site. Um, and I think that's enough. I

00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:08.696
think that's enough for now. We've heard

00:47:08.720 --> 00:47:11.720
earlier today that that um that we have

00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.776
got excess capaCity and I'm sure that

00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.416
with that additional supply will

00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.176
accommodate for the needs of those

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.736
additional build to rent units that are

00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.456
in that particular facility and ongoing

00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.776
demand as well. Councilors, councelor

00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.936
Barker is right. We have competition

00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.295
policy that prevents us from

00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:33.319
undercutting. Um, we should be deploying

00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:36.520
our our council funds in in areas where

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.976
others don't play and what community

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.936
needs us to do. That's our role in local

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.736
government. We shouldn't be competing

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.055
unless we really really have to. And in

00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.079
my view, child care isn't in one of

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.119
those  categories. Counselors, we

00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:56.456
shouldn't be expending officer time for

00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.696
a report on this particular matter.

00:47:58.720 --> 00:48:00.696
There are other more pressing needs that

00:48:00.720 --> 00:48:03.416
we need to look at as a council group. I

00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.440
urge you to vote against. Thank you.

00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.295
Thank you, Council Davenport. Are there

00:48:08.319 --> 00:48:10.055
any other speakers to the motion?

00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:11.095
Yes, Mayor.

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.536
Thank you, Council Simpson.

00:48:12.560 --> 00:48:14.055
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'd just like to

00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:15.896
address one comment that Council Allen

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:17.736
raised in his moving speech, and that is

00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.760
to do with the quality of services in

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.456
the private childare sector, and that's

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.055
a very valid concern. And as we know

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.575
earlier this year councilors some very

00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.736
abhorrent events occurred in that

00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:29.976
sector. Um and there was a report

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.575
released by the Victorian government in

00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.599
in August  this year. Um however

00:48:34.720 --> 00:48:36.136
councelor Alan where I potentially

00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:37.976
disagree with you is in the way to

00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.000
address those particular issues. Um I

00:48:41.200 --> 00:48:43.736
think stronger  regulations are

00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:44.856
required and that's something that

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.335
council doesn't do.  policy changes

00:48:47.359 --> 00:48:49.256
such as what's been nicknamed the four

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.136
eyes policy um which requires

00:48:52.160 --> 00:48:54.055
appropriate staffing levels to ensure

00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.616
that um inappropriate behavior is does

00:48:56.640 --> 00:48:58.776
not go on in these places is absolutely

00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.696
required but again that's a that's a

00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:02.936
policy issue for for state government

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.936
not for council so whilst I understand

00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.936
your concerns councelor Allen with

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.335
respect to that particular issue um I do

00:49:09.359 --> 00:49:10.936
not agree that this is the right way to

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.960
go about solving that problem

00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:15.575
thank you councelor Simpson are there

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.936
Any other speakers to the motion?

00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.960
Council Sten may um despite having some

00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.776
concerns about I'll be supporting the

00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.936
motion just to see what comes back from

00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.016
council office. So I think  it's

00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:28.456
worthwhile asking the question and

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.480
seeking a report not expecting war and

00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.079
peace u but  getting some 

00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.376
information to help council guide um the

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.376
next steps whether there's a level of

00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.456
interest or comfort in moving to a next

00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.480
stage would be useful. Thank you, Mayor.

00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:47.575
Thank you, Councelor Sten. Are there any

00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.599
other speakers to the motion?

00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:53.416
As there were speakers against the

00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.016
motion, councelor Allen, you have the

00:49:55.040 --> 00:49:55.736
right of reply.

00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.736
Oh, madam m Mayor, I can think I can

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.575
read the room. Um I didn't come down the

00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.599
last shower, but anyway,  I um I I

00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:06.216
think yeah, well, as I said, it is a

00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:08.696
report. Thank you, Council Sten.  

00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:11.335
it is it is a report. I I think that it

00:50:11.359 --> 00:50:12.295
should be it should be there in black

00:50:12.319 --> 00:50:13.815
and white. and let's have the debate

00:50:13.839 --> 00:50:16.295
after the report  is is presented

00:50:16.319 --> 00:50:17.736
should should this get up. I don't I

00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.256
wouldn't call it a waste of office's

00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.055
time.  I think um that sort of

00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.055
information is valuable for for for

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.079
going forward. Um I think once again 

00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.400
that this it's a good noble pursuit by

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.295
 council. I know that you know you

00:50:34.319 --> 00:50:36.535
think that council shouldn't be in that

00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:37.815
business. Well, I happen to disagree

00:50:37.839 --> 00:50:39.736
with that. I think we should be in into

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.376
that business. We are a service provider

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.095
and I there's and we can we can do it

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.016
better when we really want to and I'm

00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:49.335
sure that the existing ones do do it

00:50:49.359 --> 00:50:52.359
better and I mean you know I I hope that

00:50:53.520 --> 00:50:55.095
we don't have to address in in the

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.295
future that you want to close down

00:50:56.319 --> 00:50:59.319
anymore um any of those three because I

00:50:59.839 --> 00:51:01.896
I I don't think you'd be well loved if

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.295
that's if that's the next case  or

00:51:04.319 --> 00:51:06.295
could be in the future. I just hope

00:51:06.319 --> 00:51:09.319
that's not in anybody's mind. Anyway, be

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.976
that as it may,  that might be up to a

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.376
future council, whatever. But as I said,

00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.896
it's calling for a report. Let's have

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.295
the information. We then we can have the

00:51:18.319 --> 00:51:20.136
debate whether it's worth going ahead

00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:23.160
with it or not. Um and it'll stand and

00:51:24.160 --> 00:51:26.055
rise on the merits of that report. Thank

00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.896
you, Madame May.

00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:29.896
Thank you, Council Allen. I now put the

00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.896
motion. Please keep your hands up as I

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.920
call your names. All those in favor,

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.736
councelor Allen, councelor Simpson,

00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.535
councelor Wella, councelor Stenett, all

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.559
those against. Councelor Griffith,

00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.896
councelor Gun, councelor Davenport,

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.376
Council Langford, Councelor Barker,

00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.400
Councelor Cuts, Council Martin.

00:51:52.640 --> 00:51:55.640
The motion is lost.

00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.216
Item 9.2.

00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:05.256
That's right.

00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.136
Heritage review. Can I have a council to

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:09.896
move the item?

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.815
Happy to move, Mayor.

00:52:11.839 --> 00:52:12.776
Is there a seconder?

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:13.896
Delighted to second.

00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.376
Thank you, councelor Barker. Councelor

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:17.976
Davenport.

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.535
Oh, , thank you. Thank you, Mayor. And

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.776
um heritage is one of those vexed issues

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.535
in the City of Whitehorse when it's

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.936
consumed a lot of councelor t time over

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.575
the last 10 years as I've been a council

00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.599
for 13 of them and I'm aware of both of

00:52:33.520 --> 00:52:35.976
these  heritage reviews that referred

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.696
to in the um in the report. The first is

00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:41.256
the heritage re review of 2012 that had

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.815
a list of properties for heritage

00:52:43.839 --> 00:52:46.055
consideration and at the time we decided

00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.079
to move forward with a list and then not

00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.095
move forward with the rest but they sat

00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.416
on a list and they're still on the list

00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.440
today 13 years later. Now, the City of

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.936
Whitehorse post World War II heritage

00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.960
study or post 1945 heritage study that

00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:09.319
was completed in 2016. Same process was

00:53:10.240 --> 00:53:11.656
followed. There was a list that the

00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:13.575
officers put up saying this is the ones

00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.599
that we should do and we debated. Some

00:53:16.640 --> 00:53:18.376
were ticked, some were crossed, but then

00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.616
the rest were left on the list. And now

00:53:20.640 --> 00:53:22.936
what the what the issue is is that

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.496
members of our community are left with

00:53:25.520 --> 00:53:28.520
the most unfair situation

00:53:29.359 --> 00:53:32.055
when they go and buy property and then

00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.136
they want to go and develop it. The

00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:36.616
council's waiting waiting to put an

00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:39.095
interim heritage control perhaps on that

00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.119
site and that particular people that

00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.416
wanted to buy that site looked at it did

00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.736
their section 32

00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.760
review. no heritage citation. Then they

00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.815
cough up their money

00:53:53.839 --> 00:53:55.256
and then they say there could be

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.936
heritage and their dreams could be

00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.335
dashed and gives people a lot of stress.

00:53:59.359 --> 00:54:01.896
In my view that is the height of

00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.920
unfairness, height of unfairness.

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.616
And so what this motion is doing is that

00:54:08.640 --> 00:54:10.616
we are seeking to have a report on what

00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:13.176
to do with that list. It's either we put

00:54:13.200 --> 00:54:15.896
it up and get the heritage done or we

00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:18.136
abandon it and not leave it in limbo

00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:19.896
land forever in the day. Now, my

00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.920
personal view is that if a site in 2016

00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.599
hasn't been heritage listed yet, then my

00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.896
preliminary view without having all the

00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.656
facts is that we shouldn't continue

00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:35.575
because if it was an important enough

00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.055
item, we should have heritage listed it

00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.616
back then or in any future budget. My

00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:43.496
view is the same for the 2012 properties

00:54:43.520 --> 00:54:46.520
as well. But I do recognize I do

00:54:47.680 --> 00:54:49.736
recognize that there are a range of

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.896
views of heritage

00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.216
um Mayor within our council group and

00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:55.896
within the community. And so we've got

00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.055
to undertake a fair and balanced process

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.456
about deciding what to do. And that's

00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.095
what this motion does. It's bringing

00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.335
forward the debate and it's bringing

00:55:05.359 --> 00:55:07.256
forward a process on what we have to do

00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.335
to resolve these items because I can't

00:55:09.359 --> 00:55:12.359
sit by m and idally watch a young couple

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.335
come to us again

00:55:15.359 --> 00:55:18.055
after buying a site putting their life

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.696
savings into it and then not being able

00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:23.176
to develop it straight away. And I don't

00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:25.976
want to sit idly by and have another

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.295
faith-based group come to us when they

00:55:28.319 --> 00:55:30.856
want to go and buy a site from another

00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.815
church and then perhaps have their

00:55:33.839 --> 00:55:36.216
dreams dashed.

00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:37.736
And I don't want to see another one of

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.760
those cases come to us um in my and

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.760
that's why I was moved to have this

00:55:45.040 --> 00:55:47.575
particular motion tonight. Tonight's not

00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.896
about making decisions on what we do

00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.575
with all of these sites. It's about

00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.976
bringing the debate forward. So,

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.535
councilors, I do urge your support for

00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.256
this particular motion  so we can get

00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.896
a report in February um and that's the

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.920
earliest I can get done um to  see

00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:08.136
what the next steps can be. Thank you,

00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:09.815
Mayor.

00:56:09.839 --> 00:56:11.496
Thank you, Council Davenport. Councelor

00:56:11.520 --> 00:56:11.976
Barker.

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.256
Well, thanks May and I thank Councelor

00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.936
Davenport for framing that. As I've

00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:16.535
often said, he is one of our City's

00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.016
leading public intellectuals.

00:56:19.040 --> 00:56:22.040
May confidence and trust in the property

00:56:22.240 --> 00:56:25.240
system is absolutely essential and again

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.856
we know that heritage is a vexed topic

00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.016
but very sadly in local government it's

00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:34.040
very sort of  it seems to be

00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:36.376
the the prevailing view is that

00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.055
obligations that we have under the

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.736
planning and environment act with

00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.760
respect to heritage

00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.575
are viewed in a in a very binary manner

00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.896
and that that is that they over

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.920
overwhelm from all other obligations and

00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.775
the hierarchy of legislation. Some

00:56:52.799 --> 00:56:53.896
people seem to think that our

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:56.920
obligations under heritage trump the

00:56:57.520 --> 00:56:59.416
importance of private property rights.

00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:01.176
Now, I'll never forget the night in this

00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:03.176
chamber when a young couple was sitting

00:57:03.200 --> 00:57:05.496
in the front row there and had spent I

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:06.936
don't know a million and a half dollars

00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.936
of their money plus mom and dad's money

00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:10.456
plus put themselves in a debt for the

00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.696
next 40 years. And it wasn't just a

00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:14.456
matter of not being able to develop the

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.535
property. It was a matter of having

00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.295
their private property rights and their

00:57:18.319 --> 00:57:21.319
mental health destroyed. Right? This is

00:57:21.359 --> 00:57:24.359
not This is about destroying the value.

00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.775
Destroying value that they haven't got

00:57:26.799 --> 00:57:29.016
now or haven't even got in the future.

00:57:29.040 --> 00:57:30.295
So, the property would have gone from

00:57:30.319 --> 00:57:31.656
being worth a million bucks and a half

00:57:31.680 --> 00:57:34.216
to probably 600 grand cuz we're going to

00:57:34.240 --> 00:57:36.055
restore some horseshed on it or

00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.696
something. It was ridiculous.

00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:40.456
Their lives and their livelihoods would

00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.456
have been destroyed.

00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.216
that sort of thing that the the

00:57:44.240 --> 00:57:47.240
devastation that could have on people is

00:57:47.359 --> 00:57:49.736
beyond imagination. I've never felt a

00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.760
chill go down my spine ever before.

00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.295
Now,

00:57:56.319 --> 00:57:59.256
I had I was privy Mayor as I think you

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.416
were to a briefing from the heritage

00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.216
group the other week and of course all

00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:06.616
all documents and evidence should of

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:08.775
course be built on robust and scientific

00:58:08.799 --> 00:58:11.799
and systematic foundations. How is this

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.000
sort of post 1945 report reached? Well,

00:58:16.799 --> 00:58:18.775
a person that described themselves as

00:58:18.799 --> 00:58:21.799
heritage consultant got in their car and

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.616
drove around parts of Whitehorse taking

00:58:24.640 --> 00:58:27.256
photographs of properties that they

00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.736
found interesting and they went on this

00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.760
potential heritage list.

00:58:33.040 --> 00:58:35.176
Seriously, man.

00:58:35.200 --> 00:58:37.496
Seriously. We're going to use that sort

00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:40.520
of process to undermine confidence in

00:58:40.799 --> 00:58:42.775
trust in the private property rights

00:58:42.799 --> 00:58:45.496
that have been enshrined.

00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:48.216
Those playing barks bingo sinks the

00:58:48.240 --> 00:58:51.240
Magna Carta. It's not on. Absolutely not

00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:53.815
on. We cannot keep these secrets from

00:58:53.839 --> 00:58:56.055
people. Get it out in the open. Open it

00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:57.656
up and let's determine what we do about

00:58:57.680 --> 00:59:00.295
it because it's an unacceptable way to

00:59:00.319 --> 00:59:03.319
treat property owners in our great City.

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:05.095
Thank you, Councelor Barker. Are there

00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:06.456
any other speakers motion?

00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:07.976
Mayor, I have a question.

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:09.256
Thank you, Council Martin.

00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:10.535
I was just going to ask when the

00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:12.456
Heritage report was coming to council in

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.575
regards to 9.2.

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.295
I'll refer that to you, CEO.

00:59:16.319 --> 00:59:17.736
Through your Mayor, the intention of the

00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:19.095
report was to come to council in

00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:20.136
February.

00:59:20.160 --> 00:59:21.736
Thank you.

00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.295
Thank you, Mr. McMillan. Are there any

00:59:24.319 --> 00:59:27.319
other speakers to the motion?

00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.016
Yes, ma'am.

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:30.216
Thank you, Councelor Sten.

00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:32.535
, thank you, Mayor. I'm um happy to

00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:35.496
support this  again. um to get the

00:59:35.520 --> 00:59:38.520
information back, but I'm concerned that

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.880
it's being used as a as a way of

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.016
demolishing and attacking heritage in

00:59:45.040 --> 00:59:46.055
the City of Whitehorse and

00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.079
systematically dismantling it in um in

00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.295
by ideological zealots who wish to do

00:59:52.319 --> 00:59:55.319
that for um you know being um basically

00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.775
on the side of property developers and

00:59:58.799 --> 01:00:00.216
saying well it's too hard to develop

01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:02.856
property.  let's just get rid of 

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:04.376
anything that which might block

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.256
potential um your ability to develop

01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.176
your own property. I've heard people say

01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:12.200
in this chamber about um you know your

01:00:13.359 --> 01:00:15.976
right as a property owner is um should

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.696
trump everything else. Um well I'm sorry

01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:21.720
to say um if if that's true then I can

01:00:22.640 --> 01:00:25.095
build a 50 story

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.976
um tower next to my poor neighbor who's

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.055
got a singlestory dwelling. Um, why

01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.456
should he stop me from doing that?

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:33.575
Because it's my property. I should do

01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:36.295
what I like. Um, if we believe that, we

01:00:36.319 --> 01:00:38.295
should just demolish every single tree

01:00:38.319 --> 01:00:40.535
in the City of Whitehorse and allow

01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:41.976
every everyone to chop down all the

01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.575
trees that they like. And I see some

01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.095
people probably nodding and saying

01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.376
that's a great thing to do. Let's

01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.295
moonscape the entire City of White

01:00:48.319 --> 01:00:50.616
Horse. Um, because it's stopping

01:00:50.640 --> 01:00:52.136
property developers from doing whatever

01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:55.160
they like. Can't blanch. I think that we

01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:58.216
need to certainly balance the selective

01:00:58.240 --> 01:00:59.976
thoughtful preservation of places with

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.815
real historical, cultural and

01:01:01.839 --> 01:01:04.055
architectural significance and allowing

01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.775
sens sensible development. And I hope

01:01:06.799 --> 01:01:08.696
that's what we'll do in the future

01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:10.775
rather than get getting back this and

01:01:10.799 --> 01:01:12.616
kind of having to make this false

01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:14.775
dichconomy of an approach as we either

01:01:14.799 --> 01:01:16.456
full steam ahead with every property on

01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:18.535
the list or we just get rid of every

01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.456
property and say no heritage doesn't

01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.616
matter. Um it's my my land, my right to

01:01:22.640 --> 01:01:24.376
do whatever I like. Magna Carta and

01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:27.256
everything else that you can say. Um I

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.136
think that's a real problem and we need

01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:32.696
to be very careful about what we wish

01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:35.720
for councilors and where this is going

01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.760
and looking back with a lens of history

01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:42.216
to say what do we want to be remembered

01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:44.936
for? Do we want to be remembered as

01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.256
pro-development zealots who allow every

01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.656
tree and every property to be developed

01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:51.416
in the City of Wild Horse and heritage

01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.176
be damned and we don't remember our own

01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:56.200
heritage and we don't look at um places

01:01:56.240 --> 01:01:57.896
of significance and we don't that's not

01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.535
we don't care about that anymore.

01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.176
I hope not. So I will support this just

01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:04.856
to get the information back. But I'm

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.095
concerned about some of the councilors

01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.335
in this place and their ideological

01:02:09.359 --> 01:02:12.055
zealots.

01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.055
Thank you, Council Sten. Are there any

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.079
speakers to the speakers? Council Alan.

01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.335
Thank you, Madame Mayor. I  Thank you,

01:02:19.359 --> 01:02:20.775
Council Sten. I found that very

01:02:20.799 --> 01:02:22.936
entertaining actually because um when

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.016
you look about  saying the 

01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:28.040
moonscaping and 50s story towers and

01:02:28.799 --> 01:02:31.799
loss of  u loss of properties and all

01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:33.496
that sounds that sounds like what the

01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:34.936
state government's doing already with

01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.936
their  activity centers and what

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.696
they're doing to Boxill and Mitchum and

01:02:38.720 --> 01:02:39.736
what they got planned for Mitchum

01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.535
Notting and Blackburn similar but 

01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.559
yeah anyway I won't go ahead what

01:02:45.680 --> 01:02:47.976
worried me and I think councelor Barker

01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.456
hit the nail on the head was I was in

01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.376
the  in the gallery that particular

01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.696
debate  wasn't the council then. Yeah.

01:02:54.720 --> 01:02:56.696
That that really concerned me that young

01:02:56.720 --> 01:02:59.176
 that young family I think it was in

01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:02.055
North Blackburn property Peter Street if

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.456
I'm correct if I remember correctly. 

01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.775
that  and and I know that property

01:03:06.799 --> 01:03:09.496
rather well cuz

01:03:09.520 --> 01:03:12.520
go past when I  centuries or not

01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:15.095
centuries but decades rather.  and I

01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.176
used to see that property. I feel like

01:03:17.200 --> 01:03:19.335
I've been around that long. But um but

01:03:19.359 --> 01:03:20.775
and I knew that property rather well.

01:03:20.799 --> 01:03:23.015
But I thought and okay, they bought the

01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.095
property and and okay and all of a

01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.216
sudden they couldn't do anything with it

01:03:26.240 --> 01:03:28.216
because of this heritage overlay.

01:03:28.240 --> 01:03:29.976
Heritage on this particular property and

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.696
I thought heritage of what? It was just

01:03:32.720 --> 01:03:35.720
old and it deserved to be demolished

01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.920
which it has been. And um and  it's

01:03:39.520 --> 01:03:41.015
being the propertyy's being developed by

01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.039
that young couple. Um, so I I I welcome

01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.976
 Councelor Devport's motion to ask for

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.775
a report on this because I think it 

01:03:50.799 --> 01:03:53.416
it it does

01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:56.440
it needs extra extra  set of eyes

01:03:56.799 --> 01:03:59.176
going through it and  let's get it

01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:01.496
right because you know to affect 

01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:03.496
people's  property rights can be

01:04:03.520 --> 01:04:06.520
dangerous although although  heritage

01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:10.119
should not be dis discarded totally. Um,

01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:12.456
perhaps that's one way to get around the

01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.216
 the state government's new planning

01:04:14.240 --> 01:04:15.815
laws. If we just put a heritage overlay

01:04:15.839 --> 01:04:17.575
of the complete City, then nothing will

01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:19.416
happen. But I mean, that's sublime to

01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.896
the ridiculous, but at least at least it

01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.575
might stop a lot of the development that

01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.456
perhaps we may not need or want. But

01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:28.136
that's another story for another time in

01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:29.815
another place. So, Madame May, I will be

01:04:29.839 --> 01:04:31.416
supporting this  motion. Thank you,

01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:33.015
Council Deport. Thank you, Madame May.

01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:34.376
Thank you, Councelor Alan. Are there any

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:35.896
other speakers to the motion?

01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.456
I just had a question. Council Stennet.

01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.480
Um just I wondered whether

01:04:41.839 --> 01:04:43.815
um there've been comments about this

01:04:43.839 --> 01:04:45.496
heritage architect driving down some

01:04:45.520 --> 01:04:47.656
streets in Whitehorse whether those are

01:04:47.680 --> 01:04:49.176
accurate those comments or whether the

01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:51.656
heritage architect in in fact had a more

01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:54.680
thorough um examination of  properties

01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:56.936
in Whitehorse than just driving down

01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.176
some of the streets.

01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:00.616
CEO please could you answer the

01:05:00.640 --> 01:05:02.295
question? for Jeff Green.

01:05:02.319 --> 01:05:05.319
Jeff Green, please come to the collect

01:05:10.720 --> 01:05:11.896
through your Mayor. So, we did have an

01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:13.976
architectural historian who did drive

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.000
down some streets to identify potential

01:05:17.359 --> 01:05:18.856
properties of heritage significance, but

01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:19.976
it's important to point out that was the

01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.736
starting point only and that there was

01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.015
any further work that had to be

01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.095
conducted in order to decide whether

01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.696
they did have heritage significance. And

01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:28.616
it's a common practice amongst many

01:05:28.640 --> 01:05:31.640
councils to start at that point.

01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:33.896
Thank you, Mr. Green.

01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:35.656
Question, madame may council,

01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:38.616
it is for Mr. Green. It concerns and I I

01:05:38.640 --> 01:05:40.136
may have asked this in a in a different

01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:43.095
forum perhaps, but to do with the issue

01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.335
of the planning certificates when people

01:05:45.359 --> 01:05:47.335
are or the solicitors rather are getting

01:05:47.359 --> 01:05:50.136
their section 32s together, there is

01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:52.055
obviously a planning certificate issued

01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:53.176
amongst a whole lot of other

01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:54.456
certificates, rating certificates or

01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.480
what have you. Um does in any way, shape

01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.055
or form does our planning certificate or

01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.295
any other planning certificate say that

01:06:02.319 --> 01:06:04.616
the particular property has got a

01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:07.575
heritage listing and if not why not and

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.376
can we do something about it? Thank you.

01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:11.896
So, so through your Mayor, if the

01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.696
property has an actual heritage overlay,

01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:17.416
yes, the section 32 would would identify

01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.015
that. And we're currently doing some

01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:20.616
further work following a council

01:06:20.640 --> 01:06:22.856
resolution a few months ago to explore

01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:25.496
opportunities for a section 32 or land

01:06:25.520 --> 01:06:28.136
information certificate to also identify

01:06:28.160 --> 01:06:30.775
if a property has potential heritage

01:06:30.799 --> 01:06:31.896
significance. That's work that's

01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.775
underway at the moment.

01:06:34.799 --> 01:06:36.295
Thank you, Mr. Green. Are there any

01:06:36.319 --> 01:06:39.319
further speakers to the motion?

01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:42.775
I will now put the motion. Please keep

01:06:42.799 --> 01:06:45.015
your hands up as I call your names. All

01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.039
those in favor

01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:50.535
unanimous that I declare the motion

01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.256
carried.

01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.280
Mayor

01:06:56.319 --> 01:06:58.295
Mayor Council Martin,

01:06:58.319 --> 01:07:00.216
I would like to suggest a change in a

01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:02.376
procedural motion for tonight. Um just

01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:03.896
noting that there's many people in the

01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:06.920
gallery tonight for item 10.3 and 10.4.

01:07:07.839 --> 01:07:10.839
So I would like to move 10.3 up to 10.1

01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:15.720
and 10.4 up to 10.2.

01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:18.456
That's

01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:20.216
someone sec  move that please.

01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:21.496
Councelor Allen.

01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:22.456
So moved.

01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:22.856
Second.

01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:23.896
Second.

01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.295
Thank you. Councelor Griffith. I now put

01:07:26.319 --> 01:07:29.319
that motion to the vote.

01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.896
Carried unanimously. We will now go to

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.920
item 10.3. Mahoney's reserve draft master.

01:07:36.240 --> 01:07:36.456
May.

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.856
Yes ma'am. I have a um I want to move

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.176
with a amendment.

01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:44.200
Councelor Dampport.

01:07:44.640 --> 01:07:47.640
Um just while that is getting put up,

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.295
I'm going to call this u moving with an

01:07:50.319 --> 01:07:53.319
amendment as a save the hall amendment.

01:07:53.839 --> 01:07:56.839
Um which essentially um updates the

01:07:57.680 --> 01:08:00.456
draft master plan to retain that

01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.015
centralized pavilion to have the

01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:06.039
centralized pavilion but also um leaving

01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.456
the existing hall

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.535
um as a separate building as is. And

01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:14.535
then once that's updated in the master

01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.536
plan, it then goes out to community

01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:19.560
consultation. And the third  item is

01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:23.159
 a a further release of some  data

01:08:24.480 --> 01:08:27.016
about um with the Mahoney's reserve master

01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:30.040
plan about um  hall group usage and um

01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:35.560
and u potential sport link pricing as

01:08:36.080 --> 01:08:38.295
well.

01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.616
Do I have a second of this amendment?

01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.456
Mayor, I'll second that. Thank you,

01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:44.936
Council Martin. Councelor Davenport.

01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.576
Well,  thank thank you  thank you

01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.600
Mayor and  thank you councelor Martin

01:08:50.799 --> 01:08:53.655
for seconding as well. councilors,

01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:55.655
master plans

01:08:55.679 --> 01:08:58.679
of  an item that's quite vexed, but um

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:01.016
and when you go out to community

01:09:01.040 --> 01:09:03.576
consultation, this is round two, is

01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.335
about listening to the feedback that you

01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:08.359
we got earlier on in the process and

01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.335
then considering those feedbacks before

01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.359
putting out like a further plan for

01:09:14.719 --> 01:09:17.719
consultation. and and um my MEL term

01:09:17.839 --> 01:09:20.839
ended only a few weeks ago and this was

01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:24.120
probably one of the more contentious

01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.096
areas of the City that I've had to be

01:09:27.120 --> 01:09:30.120
part of as Mayor and it and quite often

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.175
master plans the clubs usually come hand

01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.199
in hand to say  this is what we'd like

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:39.560
for the area but there are two emerging

01:09:39.759 --> 01:09:42.295
groups that have competing needs cricket

01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.016
and soccer is in one hand the outdoor

01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:48.040
sports and then the indoor sports um

01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:52.135
being table tennis. But it's more than

01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.456
that.  counselors in this particular

01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:56.936
facility, Whitehorse Activities Club,

01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.016
and it's gone by a number of names in

01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:01.976
the past. It's not just Table Tennis

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.000
Club. There's a number of different um

01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:06.856


01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:08.776
activities that are offered by this

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.336
particular association.

01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:14.360
my view the pavilion that's there that

01:10:15.280 --> 01:10:17.655
that supports a Whitehorse activities

01:10:17.679 --> 01:10:20.135
club the table tennis and all of those

01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:22.456
other groups can be retained as is when

01:10:22.480 --> 01:10:23.816
you look at the master plan that's

01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.840
currently proposed by by officers

01:10:28.080 --> 01:10:30.296
it has a centralized pavilion which I

01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:33.175
agree with and is needed you get some

01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:35.336
community space there you get some

01:10:35.360 --> 01:10:38.360
upgraded change room bathrooms

01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.336
and that should all stay there and that

01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:42.856
should all be out for community

01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:44.536
consultation. Now, we have the ability

01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:46.296
to keep the current facility where it

01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:49.320
is. What it means is is that the play

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.135
space would would disappear while that

01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:53.496
hall was there and there'd be a few

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:56.520
other changes as well. This particular

01:10:57.040 --> 01:10:59.576
motion

01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.896
doesn't throw out the baby with the bath

01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:04.920
water. It doesn't. It maintains the

01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:06.856
ability to adapt to our emerging

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.736
community needs and it maintains our

01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.760
capaCity to service

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.096
not only the Whitehorse Activities Club

01:11:15.120 --> 01:11:18.120
but other users as well.

01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.376
Not asking for an additional funding

01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:23.400
scope. This this particular item is to

01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:25.576
essentially leave the hall as is. So

01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:28.600
master plan doesn't change in cost. It's

01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.496
about keeping what's there and having

01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.456
groups being able to use one or other or

01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:37.096
both of those facilities. There are

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:39.816
other options that had been considered

01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.776
in the report tonight. Um the reason

01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.736
that I didn't select the tonight the one

01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.760
to upgrade the hall is because we have

01:11:49.120 --> 01:11:51.655
got limited funds and I wanted to make

01:11:51.679 --> 01:11:54.616
the most of those funds across the City

01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.496
and this particular motion strikes that

01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.175
balance. Now there's nothing stopping a

01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.416
future budget process come up to say

01:12:01.440 --> 01:12:04.440
upgrade that that center hall or if we

01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.536
build another facility we can make a new

01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.456
decision but in my view we shouldn't be

01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:11.016
saying demolish it now um with the

01:12:11.040 --> 01:12:14.040
master plan keep that um facility there

01:12:14.480 --> 01:12:17.256
the rest of the master plan in my view

01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:20.056
um was good to go you can see that the

01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:23.080
motion has keep what's there but we we

01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.520
also want to try and get a table tennis

01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.000
feasibility study completed and then

01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:33.896
advocacy for replacement facilities cuz

01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.776
the the hall there is quite aged. It's

01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.800
quite aged. Um counselors

01:12:40.480 --> 01:12:43.480
 but we shouldn't be demolishing or

01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.736
planning to demolish unless an

01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.336
alternative

01:12:47.360 --> 01:12:49.416
um that can suit all of the needs of

01:12:49.440 --> 01:12:52.440
this particular community is met.

01:12:52.480 --> 01:12:55.480
Councilors, I um I recommend that you

01:12:56.080 --> 01:12:59.080
support the um motion this evening and

01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:02.776
um I'll now pass on to  the second to

01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.800
add additional points. Thank you, Mayor.

01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.576
I now move to the second councelor

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:08.776
Martin.

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:10.456
Thank you, Mayor. Um I just like to

01:13:10.480 --> 01:13:12.135
point out that I just wanted to bring

01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:13.336
this forward because I just noted there

01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:14.616
was a lot of boys and girls in the

01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:16.056
gallery and we thank everyone for coming

01:13:16.080 --> 01:13:18.135
along tonight and  the residents of

01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:19.896
the indoor sports as well. So, thank

01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:21.816
you.  but over the last year, I've had

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.576
a great deal of time reflecting on this.

01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:25.016
I've I've dealt with all the major

01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:27.816
stakeholders. Um  since becoming a

01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.336
council in 24, and I know I'm not the

01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:31.016
only one. The sporting clubs, community

01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:32.856
groups, and residents use this precinct

01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:34.856
every day care deeply about its future.

01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:36.695
But but like many in our community, they

01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:39.256
want action. Um the master plan is more

01:13:39.280 --> 01:13:40.856
than just a review of the Pavian. I'd

01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:42.296
like to point out it's a review of the

01:13:42.320 --> 01:13:44.536
whole precinct. Um it's an area that's

01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.776
used by indoor and outdoor sports clubs,

01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.695
dog walkers, families, and of course the

01:13:48.719 --> 01:13:49.976
scouts. We haven't even mentioned the

01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.056
scouts tonight. I would say it's a much

01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:53.655
valued asset for Mahoney's ward and the

01:13:53.679 --> 01:13:55.896
broader City. That's I think the master

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:57.336
plan has some great features although

01:13:57.360 --> 01:13:58.856
noting some of the conjecture around the

01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:01.880
pavilion design um or does or potential

01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:03.896
demolition before alternative facilities

01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.536
are available. So my objective was to

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:08.616
just make sure we get development of a

01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.416
solution in in one form or another ASAP.

01:14:11.440 --> 01:14:13.976
So we need to um if you think about it

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.655
like at the moment the soccer and

01:14:15.679 --> 01:14:17.416
cricket clubs they're probably at a

01:14:17.440 --> 01:14:18.856
disadvantage while we're sitting here.

01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.776
got this resource that's not really fit

01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:22.616
for purpose for the growth in their

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.576
suburbs um growth in their clubs, sorry.

01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:27.896
But the  indoor sports have got a good

01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:29.896
good facility for the hall. But having

01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.576
said that, the toilet facilities are

01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:33.496
well down. There's no accessibility.

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.655
There's no lift to the so to the social

01:14:35.679 --> 01:14:38.679
areas above. So I see this motion

01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:41.655
intrinsically linked with the indoor

01:14:41.679 --> 01:14:44.679
sports um coming up in later in our

01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:47.256
meeting tonight. So, um, I just want to

01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:48.616
thank all the speakers that attended

01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:49.976
tonight. Like, this is a big meeting.

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.135
There's a lot of people here. So, this

01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.296
is probably, I think, the biggest crowd

01:14:54.320 --> 01:14:56.776
I think we've had so far in a council

01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:58.695
meeting that I've had. So, it just shows

01:14:58.719 --> 01:15:01.496
how community how, um, how important it

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:04.520
is. Um, only got a minute to go, but so,

01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:06.776
so what this motion was about was really

01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.376
putting a preferred option, but really

01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:09.736
going back to the community and getting

01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.376
the second feedback. Um, it wasn't about

01:15:12.400 --> 01:15:15.016
preempting any outcome. So I I would say

01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:16.936
let the community speak again, review

01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.175
the feedback properly, and then bring

01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:20.936
the final master plan back to formal

01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.496
endorsement. Um but the challenge with

01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.175
us tonight is here is our City's

01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.096
growing. We're doubling over 30 years.

01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:30.120
Um um these sort of um decisions coming

01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:31.896
before us tonight are going to keep

01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.576
coming. So we've got decisions to make

01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.456
on Mahoney's Reserve, indoor sports, Davy

01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:38.695
Lane, the aquatic center, and all these

01:15:38.719 --> 01:15:40.376
decisions have to be I think we have to

01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:41.896
remember we have to be future focused.

01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.056
We've got to look to the future. So I'd

01:15:44.080 --> 01:15:45.816
like to point out the indoor sports,

01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:47.976
they themselves say they're at capaCity

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:49.976
now. So if we build a hall, how are they

01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:51.336
going to grow? So we want them to grow

01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:53.576
as well and get more people involved in

01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.655
indoor sports.

01:15:55.679 --> 01:15:57.655
Um but it look, it's a great facility.

01:15:57.679 --> 01:15:59.256
It was built bought  built in the

01:15:59.280 --> 01:16:00.936
early '7s and it's had a few changes

01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.896
along the way, but um anyway, I'm

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.056
running out of time. So  I'd like to

01:16:06.080 --> 01:16:07.496
thank you for your time and I'd again

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:08.695
I'd like to thank all the community

01:16:08.719 --> 01:16:09.896
members coming tonight. Thank you.

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:10.936
Thank you, Council Martin.

01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:12.376
Question, Madame Mayor, if I may. Yeah,

01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:13.976
cancel but Ken

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:17.000
thank you. Um the I just I suppose it's

01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.256
the mover or or anybody that Well, I

01:16:21.280 --> 01:16:23.736
just want to note or or get it clarified

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.616
that keeping the  the existing hall

01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.616
which is good. I'm quite happy for that

01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.496
to happen and I'll support that. 

01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:33.576
could you please get your question Alan?

01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:36.456
Thank you. Um that does in any way that

01:16:36.480 --> 01:16:39.480
this current motion prohibit a new

01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:42.520
additional hall being added to the 

01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:45.736
the the planned

01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.760
 soccer a joint soccer u and cricket

01:16:50.320 --> 01:16:52.856
pavilion the new one does that prohibit

01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:53.576
it

01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.296
I wrote I wrote the motion so what it

01:16:56.320 --> 01:16:58.536
does do right now is update the plans to

01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.936
keep the hall as is and when you come

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:01.496
back from the

01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.056
community I'll ask an officer to ask the

01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:04.456
question.

01:17:04.480 --> 01:17:06.936
I wrote the I wrote the amendment.

01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:07.736
Is that okay?

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:09.655
I know. Like

01:17:09.679 --> 01:17:11.896
Oh, sorry. Sorry, Mayor. I should have

01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.296
waited for you to call in, but I I just

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:16.456
got ahead of myself. Can I keep going,

01:17:16.480 --> 01:17:17.416
Mayor?

01:17:17.440 --> 01:17:19.256
Sorry, Mayor.

01:17:19.280 --> 01:17:22.280
Go rogue. I've got a sign that say go.

01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:24.856
Um

01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.880
the I the concept behind it was just

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:29.655
release the master plan with the hall

01:17:29.679 --> 01:17:31.256
and if the community comes back to say

01:17:31.280 --> 01:17:33.336
no it all should be joined up and made

01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:35.416
big in the center well that's a decision

01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:36.856
you make this is just putting the

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:39.256
default option out that's all.

01:17:39.280 --> 01:17:40.456
Sorry ma'am from before.

01:17:40.480 --> 01:17:41.655
Thank you councelor Davenport and

01:17:41.679 --> 01:17:42.936
councelor Allen. Are there any other

01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.496
things? Thank you councelor Barker.

01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.976
Mayor I don't know um how I'm going to

01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.856
vote on this. Um,

01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.096
I got a few questions and look, it's

01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:54.376
going for consultation. Let's see what

01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:56.135
the community come back with. Is this

01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.215
the right location long-term for table

01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.239
tennis and we talk about these regional

01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:03.336
table tennis facilities. Our City is

01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:06.360
huge. You know, from parts of Bowwin

01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:09.016
North in the Elgard to, you know, parts

01:18:09.040 --> 01:18:11.256
of Vermont South at the right time of

01:18:11.280 --> 01:18:12.776
day. I know you disagree with some

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.016
councilors disagree with me, Mayor. um

01:18:15.040 --> 01:18:17.816
it's difficult to get to and so a

01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.695
regional table tennis facility in you

01:18:20.719 --> 01:18:22.776
know Boxill which would make sense

01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.376
because that's where the population

01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:26.616
density is isn't necessarily going to

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.496
suit people from Vermont South but very

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:31.256
important work has been done by a number

01:18:31.280 --> 01:18:33.736
of our number of our sporting clubs

01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:34.856
that's one of the things that I've

01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:36.296
always been interested is the heat map

01:18:36.320 --> 01:18:39.016
of participation where people live and

01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:40.135
that is you're more likely to

01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:41.976
participate if you can walk there is

01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:43.816
this facility well serviced by public

01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:44.936
transport

01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:46.936
No, not compared to say Boxhill, it's

01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.816
not. Is it the right place for it

01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:52.840
longterm? I don't know. Is should there

01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.880
be good sort of indoor sports in each

01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:59.336
corner of the City? Probably. Is council

01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:00.936
of people to do that? I don't know. I've

01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.096
seen what's going on at Forest Hill

01:19:03.120 --> 01:19:04.776
Shopping Center with basketball and that

01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:07.096
just thrills me. Again, beautifully

01:19:07.120 --> 01:19:09.496
serviced by public transport symbiosis

01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:11.256
with the shops and dining experience

01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:13.175
there. be a great place to have that

01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:16.199
sort of thing. But um is it future

01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:19.976
ready? I don't know. Um I don't know how

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:23.000
though. And I think you know I hear the

01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:24.776
passion from people here and this is a

01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.776
growing opportunity. Some of the points

01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:28.536
made before about an aging population.

01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.456
There's no doubt that population is

01:19:30.480 --> 01:19:33.480
increasing. Is it fair to handicap

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:36.776
future growth by by leaving it stuck in

01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:39.800
a facility built in the 1970s councils?

01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.056
I think not because if you had, you

01:19:42.080 --> 01:19:43.736
know, and we know about what we've we've

01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.416
spoken about the potential at Surrey

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:47.496
Park and other places in some of our

01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.520
industrial areas. Um, are we are we sort

01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.336
of just kicking the can down the road

01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:55.416
for convenience sake or do we really

01:19:55.440 --> 01:19:57.496
need to bite the bullet and go a lot

01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.416
harder and show some respect to the

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:01.336
people that need it? Perhaps this is a

01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:03.576
three-year plan and then it gets knocked

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.416
down and we go to somewhere else which

01:20:05.440 --> 01:20:07.816
is better or multiple facilities which

01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:09.896
are better suited for a variety of

01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:11.416
indoor sports. And I know there's an

01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:13.655
argument that table tennis needs proper

01:20:13.679 --> 01:20:16.679
floors. Well, you know, we're not I'm

01:20:16.719 --> 01:20:19.719
sure it does, but you know,

01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:22.296
a lot of hockey and netball deal with

01:20:22.320 --> 01:20:24.215
not necessarily the perfect surface in

01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.536
order for it to be shared to maximize

01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:29.016
the usage. I don't support single uses

01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:30.456
so I still don't know how I get a vote.

01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:32.056
Mayor,

01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:33.416
thank you councelor Barker. Are there

01:20:33.440 --> 01:20:35.256
any other speakers to the motion?

01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:38.056
Mayor, councelor cuts.

01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:40.456
Mayor, I

01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:43.336
am also like councelor Barker still um

01:20:43.360 --> 01:20:45.175
deciding how I'm going to vote. But one

01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.199
thing I'm really sure about is that the

01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:51.256
needs of all current clubs and people

01:20:51.280 --> 01:20:53.816
who use the facilities should be

01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:55.816
addressed without requiring any group to

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.840
be removed from the precinct. I I think

01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.776
it's really important that we listen to

01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.496
our table tennis people and I want to

01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.256
thank everyone who spoke here this

01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:07.576
everyone who spoke. Um, I think it's

01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:09.576
really important we hear as counselors

01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:12.456
from the community who are impacted and

01:21:12.480 --> 01:21:15.175
it's important that we look after our

01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:17.816
indoor facility users as well as our

01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:20.840
outdoor sports because we are an aging

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.215
demographic as we all know and I think

01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:26.536
that's critically important.

01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:28.456
I think also with this I was going to go

01:21:28.480 --> 01:21:31.480
for option two which is to remove the

01:21:33.280 --> 01:21:36.280
whole lot and start again which is 

01:21:36.400 --> 01:21:39.400
listed on page 46 of the documentation

01:21:41.440 --> 01:21:43.256
associated with this which is a new

01:21:43.280 --> 01:21:45.175
centralized pavilion which includes the

01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:48.199
hall and the indoor sports. It is going

01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.640
to be an additional $2.4 million. I I I

01:21:52.719 --> 01:21:54.056
thought that was good use of money

01:21:54.080 --> 01:21:57.080
because I you know a original table

01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.655
tennis facility is going to take well

01:21:59.679 --> 01:22:02.679
how long is that going to take? So that

01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:05.896
is where I came from from this. But I

01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:07.655
think it's really important for our

01:22:07.679 --> 01:22:10.135
older people to be able to go somewhere

01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.215
to feel as though they get their their

01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.096
health, the connection with others, the

01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:17.096
physical health and all of those

01:22:17.120 --> 01:22:19.496
positive things that you you need as an

01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:21.175
older person. you want to be feeling

01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.976
secure undercover and connecting with

01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.776
others and and and from all different um

01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:28.056
you know the non-English-speaking

01:22:28.080 --> 01:22:29.816
background as well. So I think these are

01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:31.256
things which are really critical with

01:22:31.280 --> 01:22:33.256
this this is this going out for second

01:22:33.280 --> 01:22:36.280
round of consultation. So I hope that

01:22:36.320 --> 01:22:37.896
what we will hear back from the

01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:39.416
community is lots and lots of

01:22:39.440 --> 01:22:42.440
information and to give us really rich

01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.776
 data in which we can pull this

01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.175
together because this is a complex site.

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:49.175
 there are many different 

01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:50.856
stakeholders to this site and we've

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.016
heard from many so far and we also need

01:22:53.040 --> 01:22:54.776
to know that we need to get moving on

01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.800
this as well. So thank you Mayor.

01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.336
Thank you councelor cuts. Are there any

01:22:59.360 --> 01:23:00.776
other speakers motion?

01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.576
Yes. I have a question.

01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.016
Jason, I had a question.

01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:07.496
Um, council gun.

01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:08.536
Sorry, Council Griffith.

01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.456
I just had a question. Mayor,

01:23:10.480 --> 01:23:12.376
councelor Martin, I'm getting confused

01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:13.096
here.

01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:16.120
Mayor, noting that the um the  master

01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:18.695
plan could be endorsed next year,

01:23:18.719 --> 01:23:20.615
potentially 26 is when we're looking at

01:23:20.639 --> 01:23:22.695
doing it. And assuming we have a

01:23:22.719 --> 01:23:24.615
pavilion design in some form, what would

01:23:24.639 --> 01:23:27.639
be a realistic  completion date for

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:31.000
the project? Assuming we've got council

01:23:31.360 --> 01:23:33.016
funding, assuming we had external

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:36.040
funding from state and or federal

01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:39.336
CEO

01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:40.936
through you, Mayor. I think I I need to

01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:42.536
take that on notice because we don't

01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:44.056
know the extent of we're going to have

01:23:44.080 --> 01:23:45.655
to work this through with an existing

01:23:45.679 --> 01:23:48.296
cap with a existing and proposed capital

01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:50.215
program. So that will come through as

01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:51.816
part of the report that we bring back

01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:54.296
after the consultation. Um we could

01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:56.056
furnish the community and councils

01:23:56.080 --> 01:23:58.135
earlier if we come across that date as

01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.135
soon as we can. So, but right here I

01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.096
couldn't give you an accurate date.

01:24:03.120 --> 01:24:04.536
Thank you, Mr. McMillan. Are there any

01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:05.896
other speakers to the motion?

01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:06.456
Yes. Thank you,

01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:07.175
Council Allen.

01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:08.695
Thank you, Madame May. I will be

01:24:08.719 --> 01:24:11.576
supporting the amended motion as put 

01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.600
before us.  knowing full well that um

01:24:14.639 --> 01:24:17.416
I have comfort in the fact that  

01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:20.440
should  like councelor cuts that  

01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.880
it may be in the future that the a new

01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.416
hall  is incorporated into a new

01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:30.440
pavilion that services both um

01:24:31.360 --> 01:24:33.976
soccer and cricket by but at the same

01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.695
time it it maintains the existing hall

01:24:36.719 --> 01:24:39.719
for use and there's no uplifting of the

01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.856
existing user groups. the table tennis

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:45.880
 situation is is is complex too 

01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:49.096
because we we the table t table tennis

01:24:49.120 --> 01:24:50.615
feasibility study is yet to be brought

01:24:50.639 --> 01:24:53.416
before us but I don't see  this as a

01:24:53.440 --> 01:24:56.440
regional table tennis  center at all I

01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.336
mean it's just not big enough um and I

01:24:59.360 --> 01:25:00.615
don't think the site's not big enough

01:25:00.639 --> 01:25:03.639
and like you councelor Barker  I 

01:25:04.480 --> 01:25:07.175
and it'll come come in next and one of

01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.256
the the indoor sports studies coming up

01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:12.280
for debate later on that Um I my own

01:25:13.040 --> 01:25:14.856
personal belief is the fact that the

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.936
indoor table tennis facility should be

01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.960
at  in Boxill but probably at Boxill

01:25:20.320 --> 01:25:22.936
Aqualink. Um but that's that's that's

01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:24.456
remains to be seen cuz that's got to go

01:25:24.480 --> 01:25:26.215
through its paces  like this is going

01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:28.296
through its paces too. So I look forward

01:25:28.320 --> 01:25:30.776
to I look forward to this coming back 

01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.336
as is  to the assuming this gets up

01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:35.736
tonight. Um look forward to the round

01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:37.416
two coming back to us and let the

01:25:37.440 --> 01:25:38.856
community say well this is what we want

01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:40.776
to do. Are you going to come with us or

01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:42.536
do we need further amendments along the

01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.536
way? So, Madame May, I'm quite happy to

01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.496
support the  amended motion before us.

01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:48.056
Thank you.

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:49.336
Thank you, Councelor Allen. Are there

01:25:49.360 --> 01:25:50.376
any other speakers?

01:25:50.400 --> 01:25:51.336
Yes, Mayor.

01:25:51.360 --> 01:25:52.936
Thank you, Deputy Mayor Simpson.

01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:55.096
Thank you, Mayor. Um, listening to the

01:25:55.120 --> 01:25:57.096
debate tonight, councilors, I will be

01:25:57.120 --> 01:25:59.736
supporting this motion. And I think what

01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:01.336
it boils down to is well, what is the

01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:04.360
impact to the other clubs  by us  

01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.976
taking on board this proposal? And if

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:09.576
you look at the master plan report

01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:11.976
that's in the agenda attachments, um

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.056
where the current hall is standing right

01:26:14.080 --> 01:26:16.215
now is set out to be a playground under

01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:18.296
the under the master plan. So it doesn't

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.456
affect the new proposed pavilion. So it

01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:22.615
won't affect those clubs or their needs.

01:26:22.639 --> 01:26:24.056
We will still be able to meet them as a

01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:26.615
council group and that's a good thing.

01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:28.215
Um but with respect to the commentary

01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:30.296
that's been made about our table tennis

01:26:30.320 --> 01:26:33.320
clubs, um I've received  large volumes

01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.376
of feedback on this issue all year. Um

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:39.016
many residents in my ward go to Mahoney's to

01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:41.096
play table tennis. It's a very important

01:26:41.120 --> 01:26:43.256
social activity for them as well as a a

01:26:43.280 --> 01:26:45.336
health and well-being activity and

01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:46.695
they've they've shared with me their

01:26:46.719 --> 01:26:49.416
concerns about us not keeping the hall.

01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:50.536
The other thing that's been mentioned

01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:53.016
tonight is um the regional facility.

01:26:53.040 --> 01:26:54.695
Yes, we absolutely do need one, but as

01:26:54.719 --> 01:26:55.896
councelor cuts you've already pointed

01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:56.936
out, we don't know when that will be

01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:58.215
built and that will be subject to

01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:01.239
planning, funding, etc., etc. So until

01:27:01.440 --> 01:27:02.936
such time as there is a bigger facility

01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.655
that can accommodate our players, I

01:27:05.679 --> 01:27:06.856
don't think it's the right thing to do

01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:08.856
to be essentially evicting them from

01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.336
their current facility. And that really

01:27:11.360 --> 01:27:14.360
does go to um what some of our speakers

01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:16.135
tonight talked about, which is the

01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.056
volume of players that are currently

01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:20.135
participating in table tennis. I think

01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:21.496
um Fiona, you actually summed it up

01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:23.496
really well with the number of players

01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:25.736
and that comparison to outdoor sporting

01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.376
as well. and we will be impacting a

01:27:28.400 --> 01:27:30.376
large number of our residents if we take

01:27:30.400 --> 01:27:32.615
away this facility. And therefore, if we

01:27:32.639 --> 01:27:34.056
do want to treat them equitably and

01:27:34.080 --> 01:27:36.215
fairly, we should retain the hall. But

01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:38.296
going to some of the other points, um

01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:40.536
because as councelor Davenport's already

01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:42.936
pointed out, we're just leaving the

01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.016
facility as is, that doesn't preclude in

01:27:45.040 --> 01:27:47.175
the future knocking it down and reusing

01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:48.936
that space once there is a more

01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.655
appropriate um place for for these clubs

01:27:51.679 --> 01:27:53.976
to move to. And finally, I'm very glad

01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:56.215
that councelor Davenport incorporated.5

01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.239
into his motion. Um because one of the

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:01.576
aspects of this is that the particular

01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.936
groups that are currently playing at

01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.736
Manis, they're a certain demographic. Um

01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:08.456
and  if if they were to move to

01:28:08.480 --> 01:28:10.215
another location, would they be able to

01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:12.536
do so in a way that was fair to them in

01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.936
a financial sense? And that's a very

01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:16.615
important question again on equitability

01:28:16.639 --> 01:28:19.096
grounds. And so  that's what point

01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:20.695
five is about is about releasing that

01:28:20.719 --> 01:28:22.776
that understanding of the pricing

01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:25.576
structures so that if groups want to

01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:27.416
think about moving away from Mahoney's

01:28:27.440 --> 01:28:30.440
finding um perhaps  the opportunity at

01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:32.856
sport link if the capaCity is there um

01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:34.695
that they could potentially investigate

01:28:34.719 --> 01:28:36.776
 that option. So on the whole councils

01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.175
I think this motion balances the

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.336
competing concerns between all the

01:28:41.360 --> 01:28:43.256
various user groups of this facility and

01:28:43.280 --> 01:28:46.280
I ask you to please support it.

01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:52.056
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Are there

01:28:52.080 --> 01:28:54.695
any other speakers to

01:28:54.719 --> 01:28:56.135
Thank you, Councelor Gun.

01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:57.976
Before I have a um speaker, I'd like to

01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:59.576
have a question, please. I just want to

01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.336
make sure that if we do proceed with

01:29:01.360 --> 01:29:04.296
this  as as proposed,  that should

01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:06.615
we get funding for a new pavilion that

01:29:06.639 --> 01:29:08.615
access can be made to the old pavilion

01:29:08.639 --> 01:29:10.456
cuz there's only one car park and I

01:29:10.480 --> 01:29:12.376
don't want a construction site blocking

01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:13.576
people getting into the existing

01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.816
building if we leave it as is. So, can I

01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:16.936
have a question please as to whether

01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:18.536
that an answer as to whether that's

01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:20.135
possible?

01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:22.135
CEO.

01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:24.296
 through you, Mayor. Again, um I'd

01:29:24.320 --> 01:29:27.016
want to see how the final draft plans

01:29:27.040 --> 01:29:29.655
look. Um we can't create additional car

01:29:29.679 --> 01:29:31.736
parking because that will be um complex.

01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:33.175
Obviously, we would work with the site

01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.736
as best we can, but um like all sites,

01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:36.936
it' be no different to try and

01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.960
accommodate and balance. Thank you,

01:29:40.080 --> 01:29:40.856
councelor Gun.

01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.016
Thank you.  so there's been a lot of

01:29:43.040 --> 01:29:45.016
speak already  a lot of conversation

01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:46.456
on this topic already and I'd like to

01:29:46.480 --> 01:29:49.096
sum a few of those points up. Firstly,

01:29:49.120 --> 01:29:50.936
yes, thank you to all the speakers here

01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.856
 early this evening including that

01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:54.376
from Nonawwarding City and it's very

01:29:54.400 --> 01:29:55.816
important that whilst the weight of

01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:57.655
numbers of speakers here have been for

01:29:57.679 --> 01:30:00.296
the activity activities group that we do

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:02.936
have a very thriving soccer club that

01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:04.615
plays out of Mahoney's Reserve that are

01:30:04.639 --> 01:30:06.615
really hampered by the facility they

01:30:06.639 --> 01:30:08.215
have and they are desperate for that

01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:11.096
growth. We also have a user group that

01:30:11.120 --> 01:30:12.536
are really hampered by their facility

01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.256
and are unable to grow. And it's really

01:30:15.280 --> 01:30:17.256
important that whilst we if we do vote

01:30:17.280 --> 01:30:20.280
to maintain the facility as is  and

01:30:21.040 --> 01:30:22.776
look to develop the site and obviously a

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.496
consultation will take place on that

01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.576
that we need to ask that group to

01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:29.496
continue to look to grow and they need

01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.336
to look to grow elsewhere at Sport Link

01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:33.655
or at other facilities because if you

01:30:33.679 --> 01:30:35.576
keep doing what you're doing you're not

01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:36.776
going to be able to grow. you're not

01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:37.816
going to be able to continue to meet

01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.376
demand the demand that's coming for your

01:30:40.400 --> 01:30:43.175
sports and that demand is coming for us

01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.416
and whilst the facility is down the road

01:30:45.440 --> 01:30:48.215
we don't know when it could be 3 years

01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.376
it could be 10 years it's reliant on

01:30:50.400 --> 01:30:52.856
external funding and the needs of the

01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:55.016
sport are that we just can't keep going

01:30:55.040 --> 01:30:56.536
with what we've got we need to be

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:58.856
looking to grow and go elsewhere and I

01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.256
do thank the participants  for their

01:31:01.280 --> 01:31:03.576
involvement in regular consultation

01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:05.336
throughout the year along with councelor

01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:07.576
Martin we did meet with the the  the

01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:09.016
user group at Sport Link earlier the

01:31:09.040 --> 01:31:11.736
year and similar with  deputy Mayor

01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.336
Simpson I've had a number of

01:31:13.360 --> 01:31:15.496
correspondents on this issue as as

01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.576
previous role of the chair of the sport

01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:20.600
and recreation committee. So there's a

01:31:20.639 --> 01:31:22.776
there's a cliff for this sport and it's

01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.135
coming for us and we need to make sure

01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:25.816
that we are not disadvantaging the

01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:27.816
current users but we are still looking

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:29.736
to grow the sport because that demand is

01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:31.496
there and the private sector will be

01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:33.576
able to meet some of it. You know

01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.056
Scorpio table tennis and all the private

01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:37.416
facilities that will try and spring up

01:31:37.440 --> 01:31:39.896
and meet that demand. But again, unless

01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:41.576
we're using the facilities and if Sport

01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.655
Link has capaCity, then make sure we're

01:31:43.679 --> 01:31:45.175
growing and using it because there's

01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:46.615
nothing worse than just having a council

01:31:46.639 --> 01:31:48.456
facility that's not being used whilst

01:31:48.480 --> 01:31:50.296
we're waiting for 15 million to build

01:31:50.320 --> 01:31:52.615
something else.  so I'll likely be

01:31:52.639 --> 01:31:53.816
supporting this one but it's really

01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.416
important that we make sure that we are

01:31:55.440 --> 01:31:57.576
looking to support the current users and

01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.600
I do urge um none City soccer club

01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.655
obviously second tier of of in the state

01:32:03.679 --> 01:32:05.256
division here that's not an

01:32:05.280 --> 01:32:08.135
insignificant level of of facil of of of

01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:09.896
sport and obviously with their women's

01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.215
participation growing as well. It's

01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:13.336
really important that we continue to

01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:15.896
meet their demands.  whilst looking to

01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:18.135
maintain a facility that's um I guess

01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:20.456
we're looking to sunset a facility as we

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:22.456
as we find the money for a new facility

01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:24.456
that's going to meet the the the growth

01:32:24.480 --> 01:32:26.296
that is needed in that sport or that is

01:32:26.320 --> 01:32:28.695
coming in that sport. Thank you Mayor.

01:32:28.719 --> 01:32:30.056
Thank you councelor G. Are there any

01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:33.080
other speakers to the motion?

01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:35.576
Given that we had two speakers who were

01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:37.736
undecided I'll give them give you the

01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:39.256
benefit of doubt. Councelor Davenport

01:32:39.280 --> 01:32:40.215
and the right of reply.

01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:42.135
I'll wave it. Thanks Mayor. Thank you.

01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:43.976
I'll now put the motion. Please keep

01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:46.536
your hands in up as I call your names

01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:49.560
and all those in favor.

01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.159
Count unanimous. The motion is passed.

01:33:00.080 --> 01:33:01.655
People who've come specifically for that

01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:03.256
motion and you'd like to leave, you are

01:33:03.280 --> 01:33:06.280
welcome to leave now.

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.536
You're also welcome to

01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.296
You're w you're very welcome to stay as

01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:17.320
well.

01:33:26.639 --> 01:33:29.639
Plus, we got a back.

01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.239
Okay. We now go to item 10.4. I'm

01:33:43.440 --> 01:33:44.776
staying with the current item numbers

01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.655
cuz I get confused when we re number.

01:33:47.679 --> 01:33:49.576
So could I please have a This is the

01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:52.600
Warren jury. May

01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.376
um I heard councelor Griffith's name

01:33:56.400 --> 01:33:57.896
first. So

01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:00.376
move with an amendment.

01:34:00.400 --> 01:34:03.096
Could you please explain your amendment?

01:34:03.120 --> 01:34:06.120
Um yes.  part one involves removing

01:34:07.360 --> 01:34:09.816
three proposed features of the master

01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.456
plan and the addition of point two which

01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:15.336
is to seek a report on introducing a dog

01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:18.360
off lead area.

01:34:19.440 --> 01:34:21.016
Do I have a seconder to this motion?

01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:22.056
Yes, Mayor.

01:34:22.080 --> 01:34:24.056
Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

01:34:24.080 --> 01:34:25.655
Griffith.

01:34:25.679 --> 01:34:27.896
Thanks Mayor. Wendy Walk master plan

01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:29.816
describes the long-term vision for one

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.296
of Whitehorse's largest linear parks in

01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:35.175
Blackburn South. At the Mirabuka Reserve

01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:37.576
part, it covers $6 million in upgrades

01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:39.736
described made possible only by

01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:41.175
partnership with the Department of

01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.655
Education, Orchard Grove Primary School,

01:34:43.679 --> 01:34:46.056
and Aurora School to ensure protected

01:34:46.080 --> 01:34:48.856
council investment on upgrading pitches

01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:50.856
and on demand lighting to benefit both

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.336
sport and the wider community like dog

01:34:53.360 --> 01:34:55.416
walkers on the ovals lit up at night. In

01:34:55.440 --> 01:34:58.440
the future, nearly $8 million is secured

01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:01.175
for the new Mirabuka pavilion or

01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.256
community hub driven by Blackburn South

01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:05.655
Cricket Club's advocacy with support

01:35:05.679 --> 01:35:08.056
from Blackburn New Hope Football Club,

01:35:08.080 --> 01:35:10.695
securing $5 million in state and federal

01:35:10.719 --> 01:35:13.416
government contributions. The Bungal

01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:15.816
Nursery, earmarked for half a million

01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.416
dollar upgrade, will strengthen our

01:35:17.440 --> 01:35:20.296
capaCity to grow the leafy canopy that

01:35:20.320 --> 01:35:22.856
defines our City. National Tree Day is

01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:25.175
described as already taken part in

01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.576
Orchard Grove reserve delivering 4,000

01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:30.215
new plants for the community. All of

01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:32.776
these wins are worth celebrating by this

01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:35.016
council along with many other features

01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:37.256
of the master plan. However, today I'm

01:35:37.280 --> 01:35:40.280
proposing three conservative pragmatic

01:35:41.040 --> 01:35:44.040
list of what I consider to be priority

01:35:44.480 --> 01:35:46.695
amendments instead of the many more that

01:35:46.719 --> 01:35:48.456
have been requested of me that would

01:35:48.480 --> 01:35:51.480
save towards half a million dollars and

01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:53.496
show that we're better serving,

01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:55.496
listening to our community and

01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.520
protecting valued green open space.

01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:01.976
I'll first speak about the public

01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.776
toilet. Council has already invested

01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.175
significantly in the pavilion to create

01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:09.016
larger community space that we should

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:11.576
direct people to. A new public toilet

01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.600
will be available there just 200 m from

01:36:14.719 --> 01:36:16.776
the proposed new toilet block at the

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.256
problematic car park. Safety concerns

01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:21.976
have already been raised. What we need

01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:24.056
is just wayfinding signage, not

01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:25.976
duplicated infrastructure and the

01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:27.976
ongoing costs associated. I'd rather

01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:29.655
donate a toilet to the Ringwood East

01:36:29.679 --> 01:36:32.215
train station or put it a kilometer away

01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.376
in the same park.

01:36:34.400 --> 01:36:36.215
Outdoor gym equipment for older

01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:38.135
residents and users. The proposed

01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:40.215
location of this is fundamentally

01:36:40.239 --> 01:36:43.175
inappropriate. Tucked away on the edge

01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.896
of a path that goes nowhere when no one

01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.536
will use this equipment. It appeared to

01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:50.695
be a surprise to council that the

01:36:50.719 --> 01:36:52.456
neighboring properties discharge their

01:36:52.480 --> 01:36:54.615
wastewater directly into the reserve at

01:36:54.639 --> 01:36:56.856
this location very very late in the

01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:59.496
master plan development. Capital work

01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.376
like this in the area has not been well

01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:03.896
considered along with the water

01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:06.856
management consequences. This small

01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.736
horse paddock 5minute new circuit is

01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:11.496
designed for older walkers who might not

01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:14.296
manage a full lap of the park. But for

01:37:14.320 --> 01:37:16.296
some reason, council thinks they might

01:37:16.320 --> 01:37:18.856
stop to pump iron at the outdoor gym

01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:20.856
along the way.

01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.256
The best place for this gym equipment,

01:37:23.280 --> 01:37:24.936
it would be in Elely Ward would be

01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:27.256
Burwood Brick Works. I believe there's a

01:37:27.280 --> 01:37:29.016
program where one is designated per

01:37:29.040 --> 01:37:31.336
ward. There's a multi-story retirement

01:37:31.360 --> 01:37:33.336
village, high density of housing with

01:37:33.360 --> 01:37:35.736
older downsizers in that area that have

01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:37.896
proactively requested to have this in

01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:39.736
their area.

01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.135
Third, the controversial horse paddock

01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:43.655
circuit that many of you would have

01:37:43.679 --> 01:37:46.456
heard about already thanks to a very

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:49.416
proactive resident, a former employee of

01:37:49.440 --> 01:37:52.215
Mr. McMillan at Baniel. Residents

01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:54.376
clearly oppose this circuit and their

01:37:54.400 --> 01:37:57.400
concerns extend well beyond nimiism that

01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:00.776
we often see in planning applications.

01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.936
This revised path is considerably

01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:04.695
smaller than what was originally

01:38:04.719 --> 01:38:07.719
proposed. Any claims of the past utility

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.456
surely must have been diminished beyond

01:38:10.480 --> 01:38:12.856
reasonable justification. It is such a

01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:15.095
small loop.

01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.175
Had the plan developers spent adequate

01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:19.416
time on the site, they would have seen

01:38:19.440 --> 01:38:22.440
daily dog walkers gathering in the area,

01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:25.256
families enjoy an unstructured play in

01:38:25.280 --> 01:38:27.655
this open green space. They would have

01:38:27.679 --> 01:38:29.416
noticed the historic furrows, the

01:38:29.440 --> 01:38:31.496
undelations on the ground, one of the

01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.655
few remaining heritage features in

01:38:33.679 --> 01:38:36.376
Blackburn South. The proposed path will

01:38:36.400 --> 01:38:39.400
destroy this in 24 places.

01:38:39.679 --> 01:38:41.095
Critically, they would have discovered

01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:43.336
the storm water discharge points for

01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:46.296
several properties. Along with this, the

01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:48.376
master plan doesn't speak of the youth

01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:50.456
gatherings at the car park, community

01:38:50.480 --> 01:38:53.256
safety concerns, and the creation of mud

01:38:53.280 --> 01:38:55.576
ramps and tracks for the kids on bikes

01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:58.456
use the council often removes. I'll

01:38:58.480 --> 01:39:00.536
speak about the dog off lead area.

01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:02.056
You've heard about the speaker tonight.

01:39:02.080 --> 01:39:04.856
There's a petition coming. I believe

01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.175
counselors, we should consider that now

01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:08.936
as the master plan is here at this

01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.960
moment. The request does  point to the

01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:14.215
circuit path

01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.376
and when petitions come to council, they

01:39:16.400 --> 01:39:18.856
quietly disappear. Councilors, I ask you

01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.416
to support this amendment and save

01:39:21.440 --> 01:39:24.440
around half a million dollars.

01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.456
Thank you, councelor Griffith.

01:39:28.480 --> 01:39:29.896
Councelor D.

01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.135
Thank Thank you, Mayor. And um I know

01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:34.376
this area reasonably well because for a

01:39:34.400 --> 01:39:37.400
long time I used to live right nearby um

01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.776
Orchard Grove and I and when my kids

01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.095
were younger, I used to use the path

01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:46.119
down at um  down in this particular

01:39:46.400 --> 01:39:49.256
area quite often. Um and I used to enjoy

01:39:49.280 --> 01:39:52.280
riding my bike um on along those unmade

01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.615
paths. council Griffith, the ones that

01:39:54.639 --> 01:39:57.175
council tried to take away um because

01:39:57.199 --> 01:39:58.695
there are a number of good jumps for

01:39:58.719 --> 01:40:01.719
your bike um there which is along P3 and

01:40:02.320 --> 01:40:04.536
P2 sort of along the along the side

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.695
there. There are a number of good things

01:40:06.719 --> 01:40:09.719
about this  about this master plan.

01:40:10.400 --> 01:40:13.016
And there's a few a few tweaks that

01:40:13.040 --> 01:40:15.496
council Griffith has has mentioned, but

01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:17.816
when you look at the the pages of

01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:19.896
upgrades and the additional items that

01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:22.920
are there, it's a good master plan. it

01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.336
it maintains the track. It builds in the

01:40:25.360 --> 01:40:28.360
the um pavilion work and it also looks

01:40:28.639 --> 01:40:30.615
at the additional plantings in the area

01:40:30.639 --> 01:40:33.576
to improve livability as well. For those

01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:36.456
reasons, that's why I support

01:40:36.480 --> 01:40:38.695
um the endorsement of the master plan

01:40:38.719 --> 01:40:41.719
for release for um for  for release as

01:40:43.360 --> 01:40:45.496
well as removal of these particular

01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:48.215
features. I won't reprosecute councelor

01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.239
Griffith's um arguments on each each one

01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:54.600
of those three points. Now point two on

01:40:54.719 --> 01:40:57.719
the  dog off lead area. Now I do know

01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:00.376
that  we have another element for

01:41:00.400 --> 01:41:02.456
debate tonight about the release of the

01:41:02.480 --> 01:41:05.480
technical report and um but I agree with

01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:07.655
council Griffith now's the right time

01:41:07.679 --> 01:41:10.296
that you that you deal with this

01:41:10.320 --> 01:41:13.320
particular area itself because a

01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.816
technical report

01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.840
not site um specific there will always

01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:21.496
be nuances when sites come up and it's

01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.816
much better to deal with the with a dog

01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:25.896
offly provision now which is

01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:28.056
traditionally how We've dealt with dog

01:41:28.080 --> 01:41:30.376
off lead parks in the past counselors.

01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:33.095
We've had in the past East Burwood

01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.576
master plan. That's when the proposed

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.336
dog park went in there and that's when

01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:39.655
that's when the petition came in to have

01:41:39.679 --> 01:41:42.679
it have have it removed. This particular

01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:45.175
area it's it's having whether or not

01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:46.856
something should be introduced is when

01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:49.576
the master plan's formed because then

01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:52.135
you can deal with any flow on impacts

01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:55.159
about about that. That's why I support

01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.199
having um having that work done now.

01:41:58.320 --> 01:42:00.456
Councilors, I urge your support. Thank

01:42:00.480 --> 01:42:00.936
you,

01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:01.976
Mayor. Mayor,

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:03.336
thank you. Councelor Davenport,

01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:03.976
Councelor Barker,

01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:07.000
I have a question for the officers. Um

01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:10.056
Councelor Griffith suggested that this

01:42:10.080 --> 01:42:13.080
was a $300,000 saving. Could you tell me

01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:14.856
how much it would generally cost to put

01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.880
in a public toilet, please?

01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.560
I can more than that.

01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:23.576
Could I have Mr. to watch the election

01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.600
please.

01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:31.800
Um through you may um it depends council

01:42:32.480 --> 01:42:34.056
barker. So it depends on location how

01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:35.655
far services and those sorts of things

01:42:35.679 --> 01:42:37.256
need to be taken. I think the in this

01:42:37.280 --> 01:42:39.655
instance it's planned to be a multiple a

01:42:39.679 --> 01:42:42.456
modular um toilet brought in and I think

01:42:42.480 --> 01:42:43.576
the allocation is something like

01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:46.600
$150,000.

01:42:46.719 --> 01:42:48.695
Thank you Mr. White. Are there any

01:42:48.719 --> 01:42:51.336
further speakers to the motion?

01:42:51.360 --> 01:42:52.615
Deputy Mayor Simpson.

01:42:52.639 --> 01:42:54.776
Thank you, Mayor. Um, listening to

01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:56.456
Councelor Griffith's moving speech and

01:42:56.480 --> 01:42:58.215
also Councelor Davenport, I agree

01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:00.135
there's a lot in this master plan that's

01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:02.695
very worthy. Um, and I don't I don't

01:43:02.719 --> 01:43:03.655
think there's going to be too much

01:43:03.679 --> 01:43:05.736
disagreement except for the items that

01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:07.976
are before us tonight in the amendment

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:10.215
um or the amended motion. And ,

01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:11.736
councilors, I will not be supporting the

01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:13.496
amendments. And if possible, Mayor, I

01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:15.976
request that these be voted on in parts.

01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:18.456
Um, and the reasons are simply that I

01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:21.175
decided to go out to um, this area

01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:23.816
yesterday. Um, enjoy a bit of the sun,

01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.695
take a look around, and I actually had a

01:43:26.719 --> 01:43:28.376
bit of a walk where the proposed path

01:43:28.400 --> 01:43:30.695
is. I had the master plan on my phone

01:43:30.719 --> 01:43:33.719
and I had a walk around. Um, it is now,

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.296
thank , as already mentioned, um,

01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:38.536
quite a while back from people's fences,

01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.256
probably 50 70 m in places. So, when it

01:43:41.280 --> 01:43:42.776
comes to the privacy aspect, I think

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:44.296
officers have done a good compromise

01:43:44.320 --> 01:43:47.320
there. Um when it comes to the issue

01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:49.095
that some residents have raised about

01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:51.576
vegetation being planted, those new

01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:53.576
trees are behind the existing trees. And

01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:55.896
if you've been to the site, um those

01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:57.736
those are quite large gum trees. So if

01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.416
you've got smaller trees behind bigger

01:43:59.440 --> 01:44:00.615
trees, they're not going to obviously

01:44:00.639 --> 01:44:03.639
aid to more overshadowing of properties

01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:06.056
as well. Um but counselors when I read

01:44:06.080 --> 01:44:07.896
the master plan report um something that

01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:09.095
really struck me was about the number

01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:11.016
one reason people go to this location is

01:44:11.040 --> 01:44:12.776
for walking

01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.800
and um nearly 3/4 of respondents who

01:44:16.080 --> 01:44:18.135
completed um the engagement report said

01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:21.095
they felt safe at at the area and the

01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:22.456
majority of those respondents were

01:44:22.480 --> 01:44:24.456
female. So when it comes to some of the

01:44:24.480 --> 01:44:25.816
issues that we've heard about tonight to

01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:28.840
do with safety um I think that whilst

01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:30.215
some people in the community have their

01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:31.896
views I think that the data and the

01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.536
engagement report speaks for itself. So

01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:37.560
councilors, when it comes to um 1A, um I

01:44:38.080 --> 01:44:40.536
don't support that. When it comes to B,

01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.175
 the new toilet once the new fence

01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:45.175
goes in at Orchard Grove Primary School,

01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.016
which is part of the condition of the

01:44:47.040 --> 01:44:48.936
Mirabuka joint user agreement with the

01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:50.296
state government, it could be anywhere

01:44:50.320 --> 01:44:53.320
from 450 m plus from someone to get from

01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.056
War and Drew Walk to to the  pavilion

01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:57.736
toilet. Plus, they would potentially

01:44:57.760 --> 01:44:59.496
have to walk around the oval because of

01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.456
sport inplay sporting. Um, which, you

01:45:02.480 --> 01:45:03.496
know, if you're needing to go to the

01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:05.016
toilet, that might not be a suitable

01:45:05.040 --> 01:45:06.695
time frame for you. So, given the fact

01:45:06.719 --> 01:45:09.175
that this is a modular toilet, um, I

01:45:09.199 --> 01:45:11.016
support the installation of that at this

01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:14.040
location. Point C, I'm a bit 50/50 on.

01:45:14.400 --> 01:45:16.376
So, maybe someone can change my mind on

01:45:16.400 --> 01:45:19.016
that. Um, but I do agree with point 2 of

01:45:19.040 --> 01:45:21.655
the motion there, councilors, um,

01:45:21.679 --> 01:45:23.175
regarding the report for many of the

01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:24.776
commentary that councelor Davenport's

01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:26.776
already made. And should this motion as

01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:29.416
a whole go down, I foreshadow um a

01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:30.936
motion that does seek to include that

01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.496
amendment in it in the future. Um but on

01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:36.056
the whole, councilors 1 A and B 

01:45:36.080 --> 01:45:38.776
please don't support C maybe, but please

01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.175
support point 2.

01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:44.056
Mayor,

01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:45.976
who was the first Mayor? Oh, thank you,

01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:47.576
Councelor Gun.

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:48.936
Councelor Martin, sorry.

01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:50.936
Um yeah, I was just requesting that this

01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.960
would be   voting in parts. I

01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:56.056
couldn't I might as well talk to it now

01:45:56.080 --> 01:45:57.576
while I can. Is that possible?

01:45:57.600 --> 01:45:58.936
The voting will be taking place in

01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:00.456
parts. Just like to confirm that with

01:46:00.480 --> 01:46:01.416
you, councelor man.

01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:03.095
So,  like councelor Simpson, I think

01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.056
we had a very similar day. So, , I not

01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:09.016
only did I visit, , Mahoney's Reserve and,

01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:11.416
, went down to Blackburn and then I

01:46:11.440 --> 01:46:13.655
went to this place here and it was a

01:46:13.679 --> 01:46:15.016
good place and had a good look around

01:46:15.040 --> 01:46:17.416
and, um, yeah, I was sort of thinking

01:46:17.440 --> 01:46:19.336
about the pathway too and and and what I

01:46:19.360 --> 01:46:22.360
noticed in a lot of our um, a lot of our

01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.880
um, parks around our City is that a lot

01:46:26.480 --> 01:46:29.175
of the houses have fences onto the

01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:31.816
parks. So, they seem to want to access

01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:34.135
the parks gates or gates gates. So

01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.135
accessing so they're happy to access it

01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:38.056
but when it comes to the public wanting

01:46:38.080 --> 01:46:39.576
to use the parks it's sort of a

01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:42.135
different story. So I was supporting the

01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:43.336
path because I just thought it would be

01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:44.296
good. We're always talking about

01:46:44.320 --> 01:46:46.215
accessibility for people to go exploring

01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:48.856
our parks having  you know like a nice

01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:50.776
even part. What about the person in the

01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:52.056
wheelchair that does want to explore

01:46:52.080 --> 01:46:54.135
that little area and go and have a look.

01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:57.159
Um I was just considering that. So um we

01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:00.215
just got to remember these parks are for

01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:02.376
the whole community. I'm always mindful

01:47:02.400 --> 01:47:04.776
of that and just not for the houses

01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:07.800
adjacent to it. Um, again, I probably

01:47:08.320 --> 01:47:09.976
the toilet, I can see the need for that.

01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:11.576
The exercise equipment, I did look at

01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:13.896
that and it was  I wouldn't say it was

01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:15.496
the best exercise equipment there and

01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:17.336
the playground needs a bit of um work,

01:47:17.360 --> 01:47:20.360
but but um and the dog le the dog off

01:47:20.480 --> 01:47:23.480
league park I support as well. So, um I

01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:26.056
I do go to that area quite often because

01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:27.816
my daughter, you know, she'll train

01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:29.336
footy there. Yes, I know the car park

01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:31.576
and I do I sort of do acknowledge the

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.816
complaint by residents that you know

01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:35.576
young people often will congregate at

01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:37.496
these parks late at night and drink and

01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:40.520
things like that. So, um does that mean

01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:42.296
we don't build things? I don't know.

01:47:42.320 --> 01:47:44.135
Like that's a policing issue, isn't it?

01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.159
So, um yeah, that in terms of the path

01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:51.000
though, um I understand the residents

01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:54.760
concerns. I really do. Um but but but

01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:57.016
yeah, I'm just thinking about the

01:47:57.040 --> 01:47:58.456
broader community. We want to explore

01:47:58.480 --> 01:48:00.056
these places. We want to improve the

01:48:00.080 --> 01:48:02.135
pathways. We want to if there's drainage

01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:03.896
issues there, we just have to fix them.

01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.135
So, um, yes, I'll be looking forward to

01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:08.135
voting on these items in part. Thank

01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:10.456
you,

01:48:10.480 --> 01:48:13.480
Mayor

01:48:14.400 --> 01:48:15.016
Barker.

01:48:15.040 --> 01:48:16.856
Thanks, May. I'll be speaking against

01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:19.880
um, and foreshadow that I'll move the

01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:23.880
original officer report.

01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:27.016
I mean, I'm a bit um I'm a bit

01:48:27.040 --> 01:48:28.615
traditional in a number of ways as you

01:48:28.639 --> 01:48:31.016
probably know, Mayor. I I I tell I make

01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:32.695
election promises to people and I

01:48:32.719 --> 01:48:34.615
fulfill them. One of my election

01:48:34.639 --> 01:48:36.936
promises was very very clear and that

01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:38.615
was I deliver more parks and better

01:48:38.639 --> 01:48:40.936
parks with more with more trees and more

01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:43.016
solar lights and on demand lights so

01:48:43.040 --> 01:48:45.256
they're more useful to more people more

01:48:45.280 --> 01:48:48.280
often. And this has been a absolute

01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:50.776
focus of mine for the years that I've

01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:53.800
been here. And to

01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:56.215
if I voted for this, I wouldn't be doing

01:48:56.239 --> 01:48:58.135
that because I believe that our park

01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:00.296
spaces should the usage of them should

01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:02.776
be maximized. And I'd urge you to be

01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.175
very very cautious about being

01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:07.976
reactionary to the near neighbors. And

01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:09.336
I'd like to give you a couple of

01:49:09.360 --> 01:49:11.655
examples, Mayor. All of the projects

01:49:11.679 --> 01:49:13.416
that we've delivered in the Elgard that

01:49:13.440 --> 01:49:15.175
have transformed the livability of our

01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.199
area, City Oval,

01:49:18.639 --> 01:49:21.175
Solar Lights in Bushy Creek, opening

01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:23.576
Hagen Reserve, opening City oval. What

01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:25.816
else have we done? Um, Springy Park,

01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:28.840
footy netty multi-purpose. Every single

01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:30.615
one of these when we've consulted,

01:49:30.639 --> 01:49:31.976
there's a couple of neighbors. A it's no

01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:34.056
good. It'll attract pedophiles and

01:49:34.080 --> 01:49:35.655
there'll be criminals and all that sort

01:49:35.679 --> 01:49:38.536
of stuff. And in case one family didn't

01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.376
like the solar park lights in the in the

01:49:40.400 --> 01:49:42.135
in the in the Bushy Creek trail because

01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:44.456
they thought it was a a built form in a

01:49:44.480 --> 01:49:47.480
Bushy Creek area. But when you sometimes

01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:48.856
you need to sit down with people and

01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:50.695
have direct discussions with them and

01:49:50.719 --> 01:49:52.135
say, you know what, we believe these

01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:54.056
lights and they have transformed the

01:49:54.080 --> 01:49:56.215
lives of women, the elderly children

01:49:56.239 --> 01:49:59.239
that now move around our City. And even

01:49:59.440 --> 01:50:01.496
more importantly for the immediate

01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:02.776
neighbors, a couple of whom weren't

01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:05.016
weren't so hot in the idea. We've

01:50:05.040 --> 01:50:07.016
slashed house burglaries because it was

01:50:07.040 --> 01:50:09.016
used as an ingress and egress rude by

01:50:09.040 --> 01:50:11.816
villains. Right.

01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.840
Springfield Park used to have illicit

01:50:15.440 --> 01:50:17.816
sexual services and drug paraphernalia

01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:19.256
found there. Never anymore because it's

01:50:19.280 --> 01:50:21.576
used between 6:00 in the morning, 10:00

01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:24.135
at night. There's always someone there.

01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:25.576
At City Oval, people didn't want to

01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:27.336
share it because it was open for

01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:28.536
everyone. It was still one of the most

01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:29.896
popular things we've ever done and the

01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:31.655
cheapest thing we've ever done. So

01:50:31.679 --> 01:50:33.816
sometimes people are fearful of change,

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:35.256
but you should never be fearful of

01:50:35.280 --> 01:50:37.416
wanting to improve people's lives by

01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:39.736
making our great parks even better than

01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:41.576
they've been, even more useful, and

01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.816
delivering more use and more utility to

01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:45.816
people. Giving people that freedom to

01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.376
enjoy the City with minor improvements.

01:50:48.400 --> 01:50:51.400
Public toilets do not attract, you know,

01:50:53.040 --> 01:50:54.695
all sorts of things that people claim

01:50:54.719 --> 01:50:57.496
they do. public toilets at Mont Albert

01:50:57.520 --> 01:50:59.496
Reserve and at Springfield Park and it

01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:02.056
was Walker Park. We've in Heatherdale

01:51:02.080 --> 01:51:03.816
Reserve we've transformed these places

01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:06.056
so that they've used by the disabled

01:51:06.080 --> 01:51:07.816
people during the day so people can go

01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:09.736
to them, elderly people can use them.

01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:11.576
The fact that you want to diminish the

01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:13.976
usability of our spaces I won't be part

01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:17.000
of it. Sorry.

01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:19.655
Thank you councelor Barker. Are there

01:51:19.679 --> 01:51:20.456
any other speakers?

01:51:20.480 --> 01:51:21.816
Yes. Yes, ma'am.

01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:23.896
Councelor Cuts.

01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:26.056
Thank you very much, Mayor. Um, I just

01:51:26.080 --> 01:51:27.736
want to draw some comparisons with

01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:30.760
Randree Walk to Heather Reserve. Um,

01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:34.119
both are linear parks. Heather Reserve

01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.575
actually had a master plan back in 2004

01:51:37.599 --> 01:51:39.575
and I don't think anyone was here then.

01:51:39.599 --> 01:51:42.599
Maybe councelor Ellen was. That's it. Um

01:51:43.280 --> 01:51:46.280
so so thank you to you councel Allen

01:51:46.480 --> 01:51:48.936
because that was that was a key document

01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.175
which has shaped the development of

01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:53.095
Heatherdale Reserve and something only

01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:55.016
happened recently. So it's been

01:51:55.040 --> 01:51:58.040
happening over you know almost 21 years

01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:01.239
and that is a hugely activated space.

01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.135
People love it. They love the linear

01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:06.615
aspect of it and now we've got seating

01:52:06.639 --> 01:52:09.256
at appropriate spaces which is something

01:52:09.280 --> 01:52:11.336
that's come up in this consultation as

01:52:11.360 --> 01:52:14.360
well. So council officers have poured

01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.880
over the all the feedback and put this

01:52:18.719 --> 01:52:21.496
really great master plan together. It's

01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:24.520
a fabulous master plan and it will set a

01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:27.800
a direction which will be a 15-year

01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:30.456
vision. So things won't happen

01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:33.016
immediately. Some things will happen

01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:34.695
because of high priority and other

01:52:34.719 --> 01:52:37.655
things will be of lower priority. But as

01:52:37.679 --> 01:52:40.679
we know um part of this is of municipal

01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:43.655
significance in Wery walk um so there

01:52:43.679 --> 01:52:45.175
different classifications of the

01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:47.496
different um reserves the Miraabuka

01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:49.496
Orchard Grove Fulton and the Hera Finch

01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:52.520
reserves but they're 25 hectares of of

01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:55.575
space there and Heatherdale is 20

01:52:55.599 --> 01:52:58.056
something about the same actually 25 so

01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:01.080
they're these amazing linear parts I I

01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:04.199
certainly don't support removing toilets

01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:07.560
from these areas when they've been um

01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.296
been requested by the community because

01:53:10.320 --> 01:53:12.776
there was strong support um throughout

01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:14.776
the community consultations and this

01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.016
does align with our open space strategy

01:53:17.040 --> 01:53:18.776
recommendations to Orchard Grove

01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:21.800
reserve. the the toilet will be un

01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:24.215
inaccessible during school hours since

01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.536
um Orchard Grove Primary fencing will be

01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:29.256
installed at the Mirabuka West and

01:53:29.280 --> 01:53:32.135
Middle Ovals and it as mentioned will be

01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:35.159
um 450 m walk via Graville path from the

01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:37.175
playground which is not practical for

01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:40.199
families, carers or older people. Um

01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.800
there was direct feedback that exercise

01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:46.296
equipment is is something that people

01:53:46.320 --> 01:53:49.320
want and the the discussions about the

01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:53.239
um the horse paddic um have been

01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:56.056
addressed by removing that from the

01:53:56.080 --> 01:53:58.456
fence line there to give a lot more um

01:53:58.480 --> 01:54:00.536
passive surveillance and safety

01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:02.615
delivering a continuous accessible

01:54:02.639 --> 01:54:05.416
exercise loop. So I I won't be

01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:07.655
supporting various parts of this and I

01:54:07.679 --> 01:54:10.456
was also going to um indicate that I

01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:12.456
would support the substantive which is

01:54:12.480 --> 01:54:14.936
located in the um officer report. Thank

01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:15.976
you Mayor.

01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:17.416
Thank you councelor cuts. Are there any

01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:19.095
other counselors chief speech?

01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:20.536
Thank you. Yes ma'am.

01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:21.896
Thank you councelor Stennet.

01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.920
Um thank you Mayor. I often um like to

01:54:25.360 --> 01:54:26.936
listen very carefully to the ward

01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:28.695
counselors when they have  suggestions

01:54:28.719 --> 01:54:31.016
of things that relate to their own ward

01:54:31.040 --> 01:54:34.040
and I've um was sympathetic to some of

01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:37.496
the things that were being um said.

01:54:37.520 --> 01:54:40.376
However, um I also felt myself being

01:54:40.400 --> 01:54:42.776
persuaded by one of the City's greatest

01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.336
intellectuals, councelor Barker and

01:54:45.360 --> 01:54:48.360
councelor Kutz

01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:51.256
um and

01:54:51.280 --> 01:54:52.856
often get in the situations with

01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:55.880
tinkering around with master plans um

01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:57.816
before they go out to another round of

01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.695
cons consultation. Do we say well do we

01:55:00.719 --> 01:55:02.776
just leave it as is and let the

01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:05.800
community have their say  once we go

01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:07.816
out to consultation or we do we tinker

01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:09.575
around with it now based on some

01:55:09.599 --> 01:55:12.599
consultation we've heard more recently

01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:15.655
and more locally um and then potentially

01:55:15.679 --> 01:55:17.336
we can change it back if we need to but

01:55:17.360 --> 01:55:19.175
I think we end up looking foolish should

01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.416
we sort of remove it now and we

01:55:21.440 --> 01:55:24.376
potentially change it back in the future

01:55:24.400 --> 01:55:27.336
um given that there there has been some

01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:30.360
support in broader consultation to have

01:55:31.280 --> 01:55:33.496
um these in there and that's why

01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.376
presumably they're in the current plan.

01:55:36.400 --> 01:55:38.856
Um it doesn't mean that

01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:41.880
there's not substantial um opposition,

01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:45.159
broader opposition um in the next round

01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:46.936
of consultation, we can't change our

01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.256
mind and even if it goes through in a

01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:50.936
master plan, master plans are living

01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:53.175
documents over a long period of time and

01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:55.496
things can be added and deleted over a

01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:57.816
period of time. we decide and my

01:55:57.840 --> 01:55:59.256
understanding is that just because

01:55:59.280 --> 01:56:01.496
something's in the master plan doesn't

01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:03.896
well it means that in order for it to go

01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:06.536
ahead we still need to adopt it in a as

01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.095
a budget um nomination particularly

01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:12.119
large large projects. So I think there's

01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:14.456
still opportunities to revisit this but

01:56:14.480 --> 01:56:15.896
I think tonight's probably not the

01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:18.920
night. Um so I'll be um opposing this

01:56:19.440 --> 01:56:22.440
tonight. Thank you ma'am.

01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:24.215
Thank you council senate. Are there any

01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:25.655
other speakers to the motion? Yes,

01:56:25.679 --> 01:56:26.056
ma'am.

01:56:26.080 --> 01:56:27.416
Thank you, councelor Gum.

01:56:27.440 --> 01:56:29.095
Thank you, Mayor. , thank you to all

01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:30.536
the speakers on this one this evening

01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:32.536
and thank you also to the wealth of

01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:34.056
correspondence that we received on this

01:56:34.080 --> 01:56:35.416
matter from a number of the local

01:56:35.440 --> 01:56:37.816
residents. Um, similarly to councelor

01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:39.416
Martin, councelor Simpson, I actually

01:56:39.440 --> 01:56:41.896
went on Saturday. Um, so caught a little

01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:43.816
bit of cricket at Murabuka Reserve

01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:46.840
whilst I was there. , the area is it

01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:50.456
it needs activation. It needs further

01:56:50.480 --> 01:56:52.856
activation and I'm very pleased that the

01:56:52.880 --> 01:56:54.695
residents have come to us with a

01:56:54.719 --> 01:56:57.336
suggestion of a dog off lead dog park.

01:56:57.360 --> 01:56:59.655
It is very rare in this municipality

01:56:59.679 --> 01:57:01.736
that people are coming forward with a

01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:03.736
suggestion of an off lead dog park. Very

01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:06.135
very rare and I'd be very supportive of

01:57:06.159 --> 01:57:09.159
however this goes on item one that if we

01:57:09.360 --> 01:57:10.615
go to the substantive I'd be very

01:57:10.639 --> 01:57:11.896
supportive of making sure that we have

01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:14.135
item two on there.

01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:15.736
I don't want to look a gift horse in the

01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:17.575
in the mouth as it is a former horse

01:57:17.599 --> 01:57:20.536
paddic as has been said.  my concern

01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:22.936
around the the the walking path is not

01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:25.960
so much around the the the closeness to

01:57:26.080 --> 01:57:28.135
fence lines and the imposition on the

01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:30.056
local residents. That is a concern for

01:57:30.080 --> 01:57:32.056
those residents. It's less of a concern

01:57:32.080 --> 01:57:34.135
for a City that's planning a municipal

01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:37.159
local area. My concern for that area is

01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:40.215
what does it add

01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.175
a walking path in that area? Like I

01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:44.695
said, I walked around the area on the

01:57:44.719 --> 01:57:47.719
weekend and if I was to go there and I

01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:49.896
have previously gone there with my

01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:51.816
family to have a walk around um the the

01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:54.840
the preandry walk obviously  and you

01:57:56.080 --> 01:57:57.655
you don't look to go into that little

01:57:57.679 --> 01:57:59.095
crevice that's in the northern section

01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:00.456
there. If you were to go there for

01:58:00.480 --> 01:58:02.056
exercise or for walking or for running

01:58:02.080 --> 01:58:03.256
and a lot of people have said that they

01:58:03.280 --> 01:58:06.135
do do that, they're not making that

01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:08.215
additional 300 m, you know,

01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:10.296
semic-ircular loop. So, I don't know

01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:12.135
what it actually adds to have that

01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:14.536
additional semic-ircular loop there. ,

01:58:14.560 --> 01:58:16.776
if that area were to be activated by a

01:58:16.800 --> 01:58:18.456
dog park, I think that actually adds

01:58:18.480 --> 01:58:21.016
value to the precinct. , there may

01:58:21.040 --> 01:58:23.655
well be detractors to that as a as as a

01:58:23.679 --> 01:58:25.655
report comes back to us and people say

01:58:25.679 --> 01:58:27.416
actually no, majority of us don't want

01:58:27.440 --> 01:58:29.496
it. That's just a minority of people.

01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:31.655
Um, potentially, I don't know, but I

01:58:31.679 --> 01:58:32.936
think the fact that people are coming

01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.095
forward with that idea. One thing I'm

01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:37.416
actually disappointed about  and

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:39.496
whilst councelor Davenport has said that

01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:41.416
it is an excellent master plan and and

01:58:41.440 --> 01:58:43.416
it is I'm actually disappointed that

01:58:43.440 --> 01:58:45.016
because it is a linear path there hasn't

01:58:45.040 --> 01:58:47.175
been a consideration for cycling to go

01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.575
and connect what we have at Davy Lane

01:58:49.599 --> 01:58:51.336
and potentially through Mahoney's Reserve

01:58:51.360 --> 01:58:52.695
and the linear tracks that connect

01:58:52.719 --> 01:58:54.376
through that little area there that

01:58:54.400 --> 01:58:56.056
there hasn't been a consideration for

01:58:56.080 --> 01:58:59.080
that cycling as a distinct of its own

01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.695
activity through that linear path. Um

01:59:02.719 --> 01:59:04.776
because Fulton Road has buses and it's

01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:06.695
not very wide. It's not suitable for

01:59:06.719 --> 01:59:08.536
cyclists to go on Fulton Road. So I was

01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:10.856
disappointed that that wasn't given

01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:12.695
enough justification. There was concerns

01:59:12.719 --> 01:59:14.296
over the speed of cyclists. But the

01:59:14.320 --> 01:59:15.655
people that will be using that are not

01:59:15.679 --> 01:59:17.896
the commuters. They're the people that

01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:19.256
moms and dads that are learning to ride

01:59:19.280 --> 01:59:21.336
and they just want to go in a safe area.

01:59:21.360 --> 01:59:23.816
 I haven't wrestled with I'm very keen

01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:26.056
to hear the right of reply from our our

01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:27.575
forwarder here. I haven't wrestled with

01:59:27.599 --> 01:59:29.496
item one, but certainly support item

01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:31.095
two. Thank you, Mayor. Are there any

01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:34.119
further speakers to the motion?

01:59:34.239 --> 01:59:36.296
Given that there are no further speakers

01:59:36.320 --> 01:59:37.896
and there were speakers against, you

01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:39.256
have the right of reply. Councelor

01:59:39.280 --> 01:59:39.896
Griffith.

01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:41.976
Thank you, Mayor. Well, I I think I'm

01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:43.976
not going to change any minds with my

01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.816
right of apply, but I will make a few

01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:47.256
comments.

01:59:47.280 --> 01:59:49.416
 councelor Barker mentioned election

01:59:49.440 --> 01:59:52.440
promises. Mine was to protect open green

01:59:52.480 --> 01:59:54.456
space. At the time, I was thinking of

01:59:54.480 --> 01:59:56.615
development that was much larger than a

01:59:56.639 --> 01:59:59.575
300 meter path. , but I'm sticking to

01:59:59.599 --> 02:00:01.736
that commitment. Another commitment was

02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:04.760
to reduce wasteful council spending. And

02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:07.256
I think I'm also sticking to that, too.

02:00:07.280 --> 02:00:09.816
This half a million could go to fixing

02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:12.840
potholes, foot paths, reduce how much we

02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:15.736
pay in rates, double our community grant

02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:17.655
program.

02:00:17.679 --> 02:00:20.679
This path is not City oval or providing

02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:23.016
the utilization that other sports

02:00:23.040 --> 02:00:25.336
projects do where we get criticism from

02:00:25.360 --> 02:00:28.360
the locals nearby. This is a 300 meter

02:00:28.639 --> 02:00:31.416
gravel path. Good luck pushing the

02:00:31.440 --> 02:00:32.936
standard wheelchair around that and

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making it accessible counselors. Um, no

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counselors have spoken about storm water

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drainage. That is a clear problem with

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this site. Council's going to see it if

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it's endorsed and gets picked up. , to

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reflect on councelor Stenit's comments,

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this is not going to consultation. This

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is the final tick of approval or not.

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really helpful comment that it's a

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living document and you can imagine

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where I will go in terms of allocation

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of funding for certain aspects of this

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master plan in the future. So there are

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opportunities if this is not 

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supported tonight that  the path will

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not receive funding. If I brought the

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idea of a toilet to councilors, it would

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not make it through our rigorous annual

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budget process. I can guarantee that. If

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I if I brought a 300 meter gravel path,

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it would not make it through.

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Counselors, I ask for your consistency

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and a rigorous process like that. I

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believe Falton Road has some cycling

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opportunities  in contrast to what

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councelor Gun said. Can explore them

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separately.

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Thank you, Councelor Griffith.

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I've just been reviewing  1 A, B, and

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C. Is first of all, are there any other

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speakers?

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Um, and I'm just not sure that if we

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voted on parts that they would stand

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entirely on their own if we had one or

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the other go down. So, I'm going to

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suggest that we vote on the motion as a

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whole.

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Um, I now put the motion Oh, now I now

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put the motion. Please keep your

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May beg pardon. Can items one and two be

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voted separately?

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I'm happy to vote as on item one and

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item two separately.

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Mayor, my my question then is if part

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one goes down, the master plan lapses

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and I I my assumption is that is not the

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intention based on what I've heard.

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It would be difficult to do part two on

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its own. I'd prefer to pass. May May I I

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would move that instead of split instead

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of splitting part one and part two

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that you put part one A part one B part

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one C part two. So it's four parts.

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If A goes down, B goes down, C goes

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down, but one of them gets up, then

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you've still got the master plan there.

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That's my view.

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Thank you, Devon, Council Devport, for

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your advice. We will go with that. I now

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um ask for the vote on vote 1A. Please

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keep your hands in the air if you agree

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with this.

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Councelor Allen, Councelor Griffith,

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Councelor Gun, Councelor Davenport

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and against Councelor Wella, Councelor

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Simpson, Councelor Langford, Councelor

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Barker, Councelor Stennet, Councelor

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Cuts, and Councelor Martin. That section

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of part one is lost. I now ask for the

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vote on part

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section 1B.

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Those for the section 1B, councelor

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Griffith, councelor Davenport. Those

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against section 1B, councelor Allen,

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Councelor Weller, Councelor Gun, Deputy

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Mayor Simpson, Councelor Langford,

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Councelor Barker, Councelor Stennet,

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Councelor Cuts, and Councelor Martin. I

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now ask for the vote on one C. Those 41C

02:04:08.560 --> 02:04:10.056
please put your hands in the air.

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Councelor Griffith, Councelor Davenport,

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Councelor Barker. I now ask for those

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against. Councelor Allen, Councelor

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Weller, Councelor Gun, Deputy Mayor

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Simpson, Councelor Langford, Councelor

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Stennet, Councelor Cuts, and Councelor

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Martin. So, C  1B and 1 C are lost

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or not carried

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against. So now for part two which

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have a just a brief question.

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Sure councelor.

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So just I

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if this is supported there is no option

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to adopt the substantive master plan. Is

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that correct?

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Correct.

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And 

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so I prefer not to have a vote on on

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count on section two because I believe

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there was foreshadowing.

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Did someone foreshadow they move the

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substantive? Correct.

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We just vote against it. Thank you.

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I've now asked for a vote on Mayor,

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just a question.

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Senate.

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Um, it says seek a further report. Um,

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should it just for the sake of accuracy

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to say CK report other than a further

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report? The word further doesn't seem to

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make sense anymore.

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It's too late. Councelor Stenner, I now

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seek a vote on part two.

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Those four part two. Councelor Amlam,

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Councelor Davenport, those against part

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two, Councelor Wella, councelor

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Griffith, councelor Gun, Councelor

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Simpson, Council Langford, Councelor

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Barker, Councelor Stennet, Councelor

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Cuts, and Councelor Martin.

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Mayor, as for shout, I move the

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substantive with um

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a further report about some dog dog off.

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Councelor Barker, anyone second

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councelor Barker's foreshadowing?

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Happy to second, Mayor. Thank you,

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Deputy May Simpson.

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Oh, well, sorry. Thank you, Mayor with

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the um with the dog bit at the end. If I

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could, please with an amendment.

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Let's get um

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Yeah.

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Thanks, May. Um

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I think there's been actually pretty

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good airing of the issues here. Um I

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thank everyone for their their

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thoughtful and respectful and considered

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um

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contributions recognizing that master

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plans are living documents um and the

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one at Ela Parks have been developing

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over I think 30 years. So please support

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it councilors.

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Deputy Mayor Simpson

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just I'm glad we got ourselves out of a

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administrative hole before. So please

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support this council. I'm glad too.

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Councelor Simpson,

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are there any speakers to this motion?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you, councelor Sten.

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Thank you, Mayor. Um and in speaking I'm

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asking  if this can be divided into

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two parts because um I certainly support

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number one but number two my concern is

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that given on the agenda tonight we have

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an item um to do with dog off leaders

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dog off lead areas across the entire

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City of Whitehorse and seeking a

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report. I'm concerned that we're

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prematurely might be cherrypicking

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um one area um and giving council

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officers unnecessary work um to do. I

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mean, I've certainly got areas in my

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ward that I' I'd love to see a dog off

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lead area. Walk a ward is one of 11

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wards in Whitehorse that does not have

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any  dog off lead areas at all, let

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alone dog  defense dog park. So um but

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um noticing that um it does say dog off

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lead area rather than fenced dog off

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lead area. So um just ignore everything

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I've said in the last two minutes.

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Thank you councel

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speakers.

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Mayor I move that the motion be put.

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Could I have a seconder for that? Please

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have a second.

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Um thank you councelor Allen. I put the

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motion. Those in favor, councelor Allen,

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councelor Wella, councelor Griffith,

02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:19.175
councelor Gun, councelor Davenport,

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councelor Simpson, council lang. Sorry,

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unanimous. I didn't look around the

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room.

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Going to vote that we take a break for

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me in particular. So if

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the motion

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that was

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support.

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I thought we did both. We passed the

02:08:44.400 --> 02:08:46.296
motion.

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Can I just have a break for a quick

02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:51.079
minute to work out what's going on?

02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:54.840
I thought we

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Okay, I now

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put the motion.

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Those in favor?

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Unanimous. Thank you.

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I definitely need a break now. 5

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minutes. Back at 9:15. Thank you.

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We now return to the beginning of the

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agenda from the two items that were

02:09:29.679 --> 02:09:32.679
changed in order. So item 10.1,

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draft fence dog park technical report

02:09:36.079 --> 02:09:37.816
endorsement for community consultation.

02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:38.055
Happy to

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move.

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Second,

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councelor Sten and councelor Wella

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second.

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Thank you, Mayor. , tonight I'm

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speaking in strong support of endorsing

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the draft fence dog park tech technical

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report for the purpose of community and

02:09:58.320 --> 02:10:00.615
stakeholder engagement. This is a

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significant and long- aaited piece of

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work. For many years, our community has

02:10:05.360 --> 02:10:08.296
expressed both demand for safe dedicated

02:10:08.320 --> 02:10:10.215
off ledge spaces and frustration with

02:10:10.239 --> 02:10:12.456
the challenges created by our current

02:10:12.480 --> 02:10:14.296
arrangements. Whitehorse is home to

02:10:14.320 --> 02:10:17.095
more than 12,000 registered dogs. Most

02:10:17.119 --> 02:10:19.575
of them seem to live in Mitchum likely

02:10:19.599 --> 02:10:21.976
for far more likely in reality and dog

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walking is one of the most common

02:10:24.400 --> 02:10:27.400
reasons people use our open spaces. Yet

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unlike our neighboring municipalities,

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we do not have a single dedicated fully

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fenced dog park. Maintaining the current

02:10:37.199 --> 02:10:40.199
approach of 32 off leash areas and share

02:10:41.199 --> 02:10:44.199
the shared use of a sports fields fails

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to meet growing community demand for

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safe fenced dog parks. As density

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increases, more residents rely on our

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public spaces for dog exercise, widening

02:10:54.400 --> 02:10:56.296
the service gap between Whitehorse and

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neighboring councils that already

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provide fenced facilities. This creates

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perceptions of inequity and reputational

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risk. Without dedicated dog parks,

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conflicts on sports fields will

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escalate. Complaints will rise. Funding

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opportunities will be missed, and the

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community will lose the benefits of

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safe, accessible spaces for dogs,

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seniors, and people with disabilities.

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Therefore, maintaining the status quo is

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not recommended. This draft technical

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report provides exactly what we've

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needed. It's an evidence-based,

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strategically informed and community

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tested framework for how we can do

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better. It consolidates academic

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research, benchmarking against other

02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:45.095
council's past engagement results, case

02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:47.736
studies, and expert advice. It gives us

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a clear picture of not just the benefits

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of fence dog parks, but also the risks

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and importantly how to manage them. It

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makes plain that if we are to meet meet

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the needs of a growing and increasingly

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high density population then

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purpose-built welldesigned fence dog

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parks must be a part of our future open

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space network. The report recommends

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three large scale fenced dog parks to be

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delivered over the next decade supported

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by clear design standards, strong site

02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:22.456
selection criteria and a structured

02:12:22.480 --> 02:12:24.776
approach to consultation. These parks

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would bring multiple benefits to dog

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owners and no non-d dog owners alike.

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They offer a safe, secure space for off

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leash play, training, and socialization.

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They support elderly residents, people

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with limited mobility who need an

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enclosed space to exercise their pets.

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They provide an alternative so that

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families, cyclists, and passive park

02:12:48.400 --> 02:12:50.776
users can enjoy open space without

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feeling unsafe or uncomfortable around

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off leash dogs. And critically, they

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will help relieve pressure on our sports

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fields, some of which are currently

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suffering from surface degradation and

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conflict between user groups. The report

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is also realistic. It acknowledges the

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challenges and lessons from previous

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proposals such as Simpson Park and East

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Burwood Reserve. It includes safeguards

02:13:16.400 --> 02:13:18.856
through strong site selection criteria,

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ensuring we consider environmental

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sensitivity, residential buffers, access

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and visibility, compatibility with other

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park users and opportunities to use

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underutilized land. It also recognizes

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the operational implications including

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maintenance needs, enforcement,

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education, and community expectations.

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This is a holistic framework. It's not

02:13:42.480 --> 02:13:44.456
simply a map of where dog parks could

02:13:44.480 --> 02:13:47.480
go. Endorsing this draft report tonight

02:13:48.560 --> 02:13:51.095
doesn't lock in any locations. What it

02:13:51.119 --> 02:13:53.256
does do is enable transparent,

02:13:53.280 --> 02:13:54.856
structured, and meaningful engagement

02:13:54.880 --> 02:13:57.256
with our community. It allows residents,

02:13:57.280 --> 02:13:59.016
dog owners, and sporting clubs,

02:13:59.040 --> 02:14:00.456
environmental groups, and all

02:14:00.480 --> 02:14:02.695
stakeholders to have their say on the

02:14:02.719 --> 02:14:05.336
proposed criteria, the rationale, and

02:14:05.360 --> 02:14:07.175
the direction of this work before sites

02:14:07.199 --> 02:14:09.575
are identified.

02:14:09.599 --> 02:14:11.655
By endorsing this report, we're taking a

02:14:11.679 --> 02:14:14.456
balanced and forwardthinking step. We

02:14:14.480 --> 02:14:16.055
are acknowledging the changing needs of

02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:18.456
our population. We are reducing conflict

02:14:18.480 --> 02:14:20.615
between user groups. We are improving

02:14:20.639 --> 02:14:22.376
safety, reducing wear on our sports

02:14:22.400 --> 02:14:24.776
fields, and planning for the future of

02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:27.095
our open spaces in a way that's

02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:30.119
evidence-based and community orientated.

02:14:30.239 --> 02:14:32.456
This isn't a decision about dogs alone.

02:14:32.480 --> 02:14:33.976
It's it's good planning, equity of

02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:36.296
access, safety, and about providing

02:14:36.320 --> 02:14:38.695
well-designed spaces that meet the needs

02:14:38.719 --> 02:14:41.256
of a diverse community. For this these

02:14:41.280 --> 02:14:43.655
reasons, I wholeheartedly support the

02:14:43.679 --> 02:14:46.536
recommendation and I encourage all of us

02:14:46.560 --> 02:14:48.536
to endorse the draft fence dog park

02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:50.215
technical report and allow

02:14:50.239 --> 02:14:51.095
Thank you, Councelor St.

02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:51.736
Thank you, Mayor.

02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:52.936
Councelor Weller.

02:14:52.960 --> 02:14:55.496
Thank you, Mayor. As an animal lover and

02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:57.575
domestic animal management committee

02:14:57.599 --> 02:14:59.976
member, I am pleased to second this long

02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.000
awaited report. My love of dogs is one I

02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:05.336
share with our community where over

02:15:05.360 --> 02:15:08.135
12,000 dogs are registered and many more

02:15:08.159 --> 02:15:10.856
call Whitehorse home. Dog walking is

02:15:10.880 --> 02:15:12.536
one of the most popular ways our

02:15:12.560 --> 02:15:15.095
residents use open space. But as we

02:15:15.119 --> 02:15:17.736
know, conflicts are increasing. Whether

02:15:17.760 --> 02:15:20.215
it is damage to sports fields, safety

02:15:20.239 --> 02:15:22.135
concerns, or competing demands on

02:15:22.159 --> 02:15:24.296
limited parklands.

02:15:24.320 --> 02:15:26.456
The technical report aims to assess

02:15:26.480 --> 02:15:28.856
community needs, review current offle

02:15:28.880 --> 02:15:31.016
provision, and benchmark best practice

02:15:31.040 --> 02:15:33.655
from other municipalities. It provides

02:15:33.679 --> 02:15:36.215
evidence-based recommendations and clear

02:15:36.239 --> 02:15:38.776
guidelines to inform council's planning,

02:15:38.800 --> 02:15:41.016
site selection, design, and ongoing

02:15:41.040 --> 02:15:43.575
management of future fence dog parks in

02:15:43.599 --> 02:15:45.256
WHorse.

02:15:45.280 --> 02:15:47.575
The recommendations propose three

02:15:47.599 --> 02:15:50.055
large-scale fence dog parks over the

02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:52.856
next decade. Two in the medium-term and

02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:55.575
one longer term supported by smaller

02:15:55.599 --> 02:15:58.456
facilities only where appropriate. These

02:15:58.480 --> 02:16:01.016
parks will provide safe inclusive spaces

02:16:01.040 --> 02:16:03.336
for dogs and their owners while easing

02:16:03.360 --> 02:16:05.896
pressure on shared youth sports fields.

02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:08.296
Importantly, the report also recommends

02:16:08.320 --> 02:16:11.095
an interim review of offle designations

02:16:11.119 --> 02:16:13.896
at conflict sites, recognizing that

02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.456
fence dog parks alone will not resolve

02:16:16.480 --> 02:16:18.376
every issue.

02:16:18.400 --> 02:16:20.776
The benefits of dog of fence dog parks

02:16:20.800 --> 02:16:22.776
are clear. They support social

02:16:22.800 --> 02:16:25.016
connection, responsible pet ownership

02:16:25.040 --> 02:16:27.496
via training, and accessibility for

02:16:27.520 --> 02:16:29.175
older residents and people with

02:16:29.199 --> 02:16:32.056
disabilities. They also reduce contact

02:16:32.080 --> 02:16:34.216
for those who prefer not to interact

02:16:34.240 --> 02:16:37.096
with dogs in other park areas. At the

02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:39.736
same time, the report acknowledges risks

02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:42.216
such as equity of open space use and

02:16:42.240 --> 02:16:44.615
environmental impacts and outlines

02:16:44.639 --> 02:16:46.936
measures to manage them through careful

02:16:46.960 --> 02:16:49.256
site selection, buffers, and ongoing

02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:50.936
education.

02:16:50.960 --> 02:16:53.176
Financially, the capital and operating

02:16:53.200 --> 02:16:55.575
costs for the proposed future potential

02:16:55.599 --> 02:16:58.375
fence dog parks are unfunded and will be

02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:00.056
considered during council's annual

02:17:00.080 --> 02:17:02.455
budget cycles with opportunities for

02:17:02.479 --> 02:17:05.335
external funding. Most importantly, this

02:17:05.359 --> 02:17:07.495
is not the final outcome. It is the

02:17:07.519 --> 02:17:09.816
beginning of a transparent consultation

02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:12.535
process. Endorsing this report allows us

02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:14.936
to invite residents and stakeholders to

02:17:14.960 --> 02:17:17.016
provide feedback on the site selection

02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.976
guidelines while also building broader

02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.056
understanding of the need for fence dog

02:17:22.080 --> 02:17:24.936
parks in Whitehorse. To be clear, the

02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:26.936
report explains the site selection

02:17:26.960 --> 02:17:29.016
process while the identification of

02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:30.695
sites will occur through future

02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:32.856
consultation. I commend the report to

02:17:32.880 --> 02:17:34.295
council.

02:17:34.319 --> 02:17:35.575
Thank you, Councelor Weller. Are there

02:17:35.599 --> 02:17:36.695
any other speakers at the moment?

02:17:36.719 --> 02:17:37.495
Yes, ma'am.

02:17:37.519 --> 02:17:39.016
Council Barker.

02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:40.295
Thanks, May. I just want to make a

02:17:40.319 --> 02:17:41.976
couple of comments. Um, obviously been

02:17:42.000 --> 02:17:43.176
involved in the domestic animal

02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:44.776
management advisory committee for some

02:17:44.800 --> 02:17:46.936
time too. Want to make it very clear

02:17:46.960 --> 02:17:48.216
about the language here and the

02:17:48.240 --> 02:17:50.295
difference between an off lead area and

02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:53.319
a designated fenced dog park. This is a

02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:58.040
specific singleuse area. Many people

02:17:58.160 --> 02:17:59.575
fall into the trap of thinking their

02:17:59.599 --> 02:18:01.736
local footy oval, which when there's not

02:18:01.760 --> 02:18:04.056
organized sport on they call it their

02:18:04.080 --> 02:18:07.080
dog park. It is not a dog park. It is a

02:18:07.120 --> 02:18:10.120
shared sporting use area where you can

02:18:11.359 --> 02:18:12.936
have your dog off lead. And I'm very

02:18:12.960 --> 02:18:14.695
proud to say that in the time we've been

02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:17.719
here, I think we've added 10 um new off

02:18:17.920 --> 02:18:19.816
dog areas. And I know that work is going

02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:22.295
to continue in our great committee. And

02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:25.319
I know the expectations we need to be um

02:18:26.479 --> 02:18:28.056
pretty straightforward about. A lot of

02:18:28.080 --> 02:18:29.896
this has been triggered by the conflict

02:18:29.920 --> 02:18:32.920
between users at Morton Park and at

02:18:34.639 --> 02:18:37.639
Manny's Reserve. Um,

02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:39.575
I'll be honest with you. I don't think

02:18:39.599 --> 02:18:42.599
this a dog off technical park is going

02:18:42.880 --> 02:18:45.176
to solve that because dog walking is an

02:18:45.200 --> 02:18:47.655
inherently social thing where your dog

02:18:47.679 --> 02:18:50.216
has friends and you have friends and my

02:18:50.240 --> 02:18:52.295
dog Patty likes to play with Lambie the

02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:54.455
Lon burger. That's why we go to that

02:18:54.479 --> 02:18:56.856
park and I see May the owner. You know,

02:18:56.880 --> 02:18:59.880
it's just a social thing. So, you know,

02:19:00.080 --> 02:19:01.896
not everyone's going to move from Morton

02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:04.776
Park or Barney's Reserve or Bob Sika to

02:19:04.800 --> 02:19:07.655
this. So let's be absolutely fair income

02:19:07.679 --> 02:19:09.096
about that. And that domestic animal

02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.016
management committee needs to do the

02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:13.176
hard work, the courageous work and the

02:19:13.200 --> 02:19:15.335
grind to keep working that. And I think

02:19:15.359 --> 02:19:16.695
we can be really proud of the things

02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:18.535
that we've done. The on demand lights at

02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:20.056
Mont Albert Reserve, the on demand and

02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:21.655
sensor lights at Springfield Park,

02:19:21.679 --> 02:19:24.216
coming to Kunong Park. These things have

02:19:24.240 --> 02:19:26.695
lessened conflict and made it so much

02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:28.695
smoother. Why? Because we've used made

02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:30.455
the spread of hours from 6:00 a.m. in

02:19:30.479 --> 02:19:32.535
the morning till 10:00 at night. and and

02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:35.256
and um the the the ladies at Mon Elbert

02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:38.280
Reserve um Judy and Wendy that the

02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:40.295
triggers of that should be so incredibly

02:19:40.319 --> 02:19:42.375
proud that that is coming across the

02:19:42.399 --> 02:19:44.535
City because so many people work in the

02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:46.216
winter it's very difficult so there's a

02:19:46.240 --> 02:19:48.136
lot of work to be done there and I also

02:19:48.160 --> 02:19:51.160
want to make the final point that

02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:54.056
designated off dog parks aren't for all

02:19:54.080 --> 02:19:57.080
dogs I have a 43 kg highrive hering old

02:19:59.120 --> 02:20:01.496
English sheep dog

02:20:01.520 --> 02:20:03.976
you know what's the thing when every

02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:05.496
when you see when every the only tool

02:20:05.520 --> 02:20:06.776
you've got is a hammer, everything's a

02:20:06.800 --> 02:20:09.415
nail. He sees every other dog as a sheep

02:20:09.439 --> 02:20:11.576
that needs to be chased. He's horrible

02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:14.056
in these sort of places in an open area

02:20:14.080 --> 02:20:15.656
where everyone's moving. He's cool.

02:20:15.680 --> 02:20:17.335
People stand around and he's a

02:20:17.359 --> 02:20:19.656
terrorist. So, you know, you got to be

02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:22.136
really re realistic about this. It's

02:20:22.160 --> 02:20:23.656
going to be a lot of hard work. I will

02:20:23.680 --> 02:20:25.496
support it, but I want to make sure

02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:27.256
everyone's expectations out there are

02:20:27.280 --> 02:20:28.936
fair income. This is not going to be

02:20:28.960 --> 02:20:30.856
easy. We've seen the push back we've had

02:20:30.880 --> 02:20:32.295
from neighbors in the past. Thank you,

02:20:32.319 --> 02:20:33.656
Maya.

02:20:33.680 --> 02:20:35.016
Thank you, councelor Barker. Are there

02:20:35.040 --> 02:20:37.335
any other speakers to the council cuts?

02:20:37.359 --> 02:20:39.736
Well, hallelujah is what I want to say

02:20:39.760 --> 02:20:42.760
because this is at least 5 years late as

02:20:42.960 --> 02:20:45.016
far as I'm concerned. So, I'm really,

02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:47.256
really, really pleased that we've now

02:20:47.280 --> 02:20:50.280
got it tabled at council today. Um, one

02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:52.856
of the issues for the new counselors

02:20:52.880 --> 02:20:55.880
who've joined in 2024, one of the main

02:20:56.240 --> 02:20:58.856
triggering issues for people in White

02:20:58.880 --> 02:21:01.880
Horse is fence dog parks. It is a fact.

02:21:02.880 --> 02:21:05.880
It it has divided communities. It's had

02:21:06.080 --> 02:21:08.375
people fighting that they want it there,

02:21:08.399 --> 02:21:09.816
they don't want it there. It has caused

02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:12.776
so many issues. But now we have got a

02:21:12.800 --> 02:21:15.800
matrix of criteria, evidence-based

02:21:16.160 --> 02:21:19.160
criteria to actually go through and to

02:21:19.200 --> 02:21:21.736
look at sites and compare it to the

02:21:21.760 --> 02:21:24.760
criteria. I am really pleased about

02:21:24.800 --> 02:21:27.800
this. Um so we're going to be looking at

02:21:28.160 --> 02:21:29.816
underutilized area which is something

02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:31.656
that I've been asking for many many

02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:34.616
years. So um instead of just using

02:21:34.640 --> 02:21:37.176
dedicated offle areas, we can look at

02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:39.736
underutilized spaces, looking at

02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:42.455
topography, drainage and these type of

02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:45.479
things. Are they appropriate um sites

02:21:45.520 --> 02:21:48.520
for dedicated and and highly used and

02:21:48.960 --> 02:21:51.960
highly used um dog parks?

02:21:52.560 --> 02:21:55.560
So I think it's interesting to note that

02:21:55.840 --> 02:21:58.840
um across Whitehorse

02:22:00.240 --> 02:22:02.455
whilst Mitchum has got the highest dog

02:22:02.479 --> 02:22:05.479
ownership of all of all  17 suburbs,

02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:10.536
Walkawward has not got one square

02:22:10.560 --> 02:22:13.560
cimeter of offle dog park. So we've got

02:22:14.319 --> 02:22:17.319
Mitchum the highest dog ownership and no

02:22:17.680 --> 02:22:20.295
off lead. So my ward, Simpson Ward,

02:22:20.319 --> 02:22:23.319
which is half of Mitchum, has got  two

02:22:23.520 --> 02:22:26.295
off lead areas and and a very

02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:28.536
significant number of dogs. You've got

02:22:28.560 --> 02:22:31.335
six off parks in Lake Ward, which has

02:22:31.359 --> 02:22:34.359
got,50 dogs registered. So there are

02:22:35.120 --> 02:22:37.976
some inequities across our City. And

02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:40.216
this fence dog park with the

02:22:40.240 --> 02:22:41.736
evidence-based

02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:44.295
um matrix is going to make this so much

02:22:44.319 --> 02:22:46.136
easier. And I am really looking forward

02:22:46.160 --> 02:22:48.056
to this. And I know it's going to be

02:22:48.080 --> 02:22:49.736
difficult for those on the Danpack

02:22:49.760 --> 02:22:51.176
committee who are going to be looking at

02:22:51.200 --> 02:22:52.936
this and working with officers and so on

02:22:52.960 --> 02:22:54.936
and so forth, but I'm very pleased that

02:22:54.960 --> 02:22:56.616
we've got something which we can use as

02:22:56.640 --> 02:22:59.256
a reference and that will make decisions

02:22:59.280 --> 02:23:01.335
a lot clearer and easier for everyone.

02:23:01.359 --> 02:23:02.536
Thank you, Mayor.

02:23:02.560 --> 02:23:03.896
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Are there any

02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:05.016
other speakers for the motion?

02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:05.976
, yes, Mayor.

02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:09.000
Thank you, Councelor Davenport. Um,

02:23:10.319 --> 02:23:11.816
I think you'll have to give a brighter

02:23:11.840 --> 02:23:14.696
reply even though I'm I'm probably going

02:23:14.720 --> 02:23:16.856
to support the motion. But I've got two

02:23:16.880 --> 02:23:19.880
main concerns. Firstly is um this report

02:23:20.640 --> 02:23:23.640
does nothing to alleviate concerns at um

02:23:24.560 --> 02:23:26.056
a number of parks within our

02:23:26.080 --> 02:23:27.896
municipality where there are conflicts

02:23:27.920 --> 02:23:29.816
right now.

02:23:29.840 --> 02:23:32.616
Um, I've been c contacted a number of

02:23:32.640 --> 02:23:35.640
times where um dog owners let their dogs

02:23:36.800 --> 02:23:39.800
 go  run riot um and  leave their

02:23:42.560 --> 02:23:44.936
dog droppings behind, dig holes, and

02:23:44.960 --> 02:23:47.656
then the next day junior footy players

02:23:47.680 --> 02:23:50.680
go out there, get dog feces on them,

02:23:50.800 --> 02:23:53.800
under nines, under 11s. And this report

02:23:56.000 --> 02:23:59.000
is not going to solve that issue. That's

02:23:59.439 --> 02:24:01.576
the first thing. The second thing that

02:24:01.600 --> 02:24:04.295
this report doesn't solve is the holes

02:24:04.319 --> 02:24:07.319
that are left behind and then players of

02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:10.760
sport are left with crushing season

02:24:12.479 --> 02:24:15.479
ending injuries. This report does

02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:18.600
nothing to solve that problem either.

02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:22.120
The third area that is of a of a concern

02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:25.415
is that when we go to the community,

02:24:25.439 --> 02:24:27.335
I'll probably give a thumbs up to this

02:24:27.359 --> 02:24:29.016
report

02:24:29.040 --> 02:24:30.696
and then we're going to spend time

02:24:30.720 --> 02:24:33.016
applying these rules to come up with

02:24:33.040 --> 02:24:35.976
where these three sites are and we will

02:24:36.000 --> 02:24:39.000
have the biggest fights on our hands for

02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:41.415
these three sites. Now, there's not that

02:24:41.439 --> 02:24:43.415
many sites within Whitehorse. that's

02:24:43.439 --> 02:24:46.375
going to be 3,000 square m in length in

02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:49.176
in dimension

02:24:49.200 --> 02:24:51.896
um that would fit these criteria. In my

02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:53.496
view, we shouldn't go out with the

02:24:53.520 --> 02:24:56.455
report. What we should do is have a have

02:24:56.479 --> 02:24:58.776
someone quickly go around the City and

02:24:58.800 --> 02:25:01.176
say, "Well, if you were to apply these,

02:25:01.200 --> 02:25:03.096
these are the three examples of where

02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:05.256
they'd fit." It wouldn't take that much

02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:07.576
time because there's not that many sites

02:25:07.600 --> 02:25:09.816
in Whitehorse that would fit 3,000

02:25:09.840 --> 02:25:12.536
square m. So at least then when people

02:25:12.560 --> 02:25:15.560
are deciding what to do and whether or

02:25:16.560 --> 02:25:19.335
not to back these criteria, they can see

02:25:19.359 --> 02:25:22.359
how it impacts them. This report doesn't

02:25:22.960 --> 02:25:25.415
doesn't do that either.

02:25:25.439 --> 02:25:28.439
My concern is that what we're doing to

02:25:28.800 --> 02:25:30.776
the community is what state government

02:25:30.800 --> 02:25:33.576
sometimes comes and does to us, releases

02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:36.216
certain information, but it's at an

02:25:36.240 --> 02:25:38.696
early stage. I think we can give it a

02:25:38.720 --> 02:25:41.720
bit more um detail and I think we can do

02:25:41.760 --> 02:25:43.496
more to try and relieve the pressure and

02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:45.816
the conflict of sites on sports fields

02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:48.375
now. Both of those need to be addressed

02:25:48.399 --> 02:25:50.616
with a lot more urgency. Thank you,

02:25:50.640 --> 02:25:52.375
Mayor.

02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:53.576
Thank you, Councelor Davenport. Are

02:25:53.600 --> 02:25:54.936
there any other speakers? Councelor

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Martin.

02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:57.576
Um thank you, Mayor. Um thanks,

02:25:57.600 --> 02:25:59.176
Councelor Davenport. I resonate with

02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:00.616
many of the observations you had with

02:26:00.640 --> 02:26:02.455
the sporting clubs. Um I agree we need

02:26:02.479 --> 02:26:04.295
to get the community along with this. I

02:26:04.319 --> 02:26:06.136
hate saying this, but with the journey.

02:26:06.160 --> 02:26:07.896
Um, so a lot of them say we got 12 a

02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:09.816
half thousand dogs and we get over $1

02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:11.335
million in revenue. So everyone thinks

02:26:11.359 --> 02:26:12.536
there's a million dollars to all of a

02:26:12.560 --> 02:26:14.216
sudden spend on dog parks, but there's

02:26:14.240 --> 02:26:15.816
been a lot of that revenue goes into the

02:26:15.840 --> 02:26:18.455
offices that manage  the compliance

02:26:18.479 --> 02:26:20.536
with the the pets. So just to make that

02:26:20.560 --> 02:26:23.560
point um but these fence the the fence

02:26:24.080 --> 02:26:25.736
parks and and the young fence parks are

02:26:25.760 --> 02:26:27.656
valued by the community. So I've I've sp

02:26:27.680 --> 02:26:29.736
I've  we had some issues early in the

02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:31.016
year and I met some of them. There was

02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:33.335
elderly exarmmed force members,

02:26:33.359 --> 02:26:35.335
families. um truly a diverse group that

02:26:35.359 --> 02:26:36.936
came together and socialized and for

02:26:36.960 --> 02:26:38.936
many of these these daily rituals are

02:26:38.960 --> 02:26:40.536
the only social interaction they have

02:26:40.560 --> 02:26:42.936
daily or weekly. So the joint love of

02:26:42.960 --> 02:26:44.696
their pets brings these people together.

02:26:44.720 --> 02:26:47.016
So we know the benefits.  they love

02:26:47.040 --> 02:26:48.375
being able to play and socialize with

02:26:48.399 --> 02:26:50.216
their dogs so they are not at risk of

02:26:50.240 --> 02:26:52.455
getting out into the traffic. But um

02:26:52.479 --> 02:26:53.896
some of the quotes are here. What's your

02:26:53.920 --> 02:26:55.496
dog's name? What's your dog's breed? We

02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:57.816
all hear this, don't we? Um who's hey,

02:26:57.840 --> 02:26:59.176
whose dog's over there? You bet get

02:26:59.200 --> 02:27:01.736
moving and clean that up. Um hey, can

02:27:01.760 --> 02:27:03.576
your dog relax a little bit? These are

02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:05.096
just things we hear that they're pretty

02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:06.616
common conversations, but they just get

02:27:06.640 --> 02:27:08.455
people talking and then people learn,

02:27:08.479 --> 02:27:10.216
people connect, and then they they make

02:27:10.240 --> 02:27:12.616
lifelong friendships. So, at Manis

02:27:12.640 --> 02:27:14.936
Reserve, we do have these image  these

02:27:14.960 --> 02:27:17.960
  issues with damage and  I did a

02:27:18.000 --> 02:27:20.295
little visit on Sunday to Manis and I

02:27:20.319 --> 02:27:23.256
also went to Morton Park and you can

02:27:23.280 --> 02:27:25.656
clearly see the ovals where there's

02:27:25.680 --> 02:27:27.656
shared use versus where the dogs are

02:27:27.680 --> 02:27:30.216
kept off. There's it's just obvious. So,

02:27:30.240 --> 02:27:32.375
it's just look it up on the internet. It

02:27:32.399 --> 02:27:34.936
is natural for dogs to to scratch the

02:27:34.960 --> 02:27:36.776
ground and dig once they've gone to the

02:27:36.800 --> 02:27:39.800
toilet. So, um and I speak to a lot of

02:27:39.840 --> 02:27:42.375
the the the the um sporting clubs and

02:27:42.399 --> 02:27:43.896
before the games, they have to literally

02:27:43.920 --> 02:27:45.256
sweep the ground to make sure they've

02:27:45.280 --> 02:27:47.496
picked up all the feces. So, it is a

02:27:47.520 --> 02:27:50.216
health issue. Um so, this year we did

02:27:50.240 --> 02:27:52.616
look we did council did try and get a

02:27:52.640 --> 02:27:54.136
solution going because when when you've

02:27:54.160 --> 02:27:55.656
got the dogs here, just cuz it's fence

02:27:55.680 --> 02:27:57.256
doesn't mean that you don't monitor your

02:27:57.280 --> 02:27:59.096
dog. You have to monitor your dog. you

02:27:59.120 --> 02:28:01.496
have to watch for at going to the toilet

02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:03.016
at digging and all those sort of things.

02:28:03.040 --> 02:28:04.375
It's not just there you can just chat

02:28:04.399 --> 02:28:05.816
away and let them run around. So we have

02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:07.176
to monitor them. So this year we tried

02:28:07.200 --> 02:28:08.856
to lock open the gates. Now that did

02:28:08.880 --> 02:28:10.216
create a lot of community angst because

02:28:10.240 --> 02:28:13.016
we just pretty much did it without um

02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:14.375
consulting and that was probably the

02:28:14.399 --> 02:28:15.415
wrong thing to do because it is

02:28:15.439 --> 02:28:18.439
designated as a fence dog park. But um

02:28:18.479 --> 02:28:20.216
yeah, look I I've got some suggestions

02:28:20.240 --> 02:28:21.496
here where we could put them. I'm not

02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:22.936
going to say it on the public record at

02:28:22.960 --> 02:28:25.176
the moment. But I do note I think just

02:28:25.200 --> 02:28:26.936
the solution is we've got to get

02:28:26.960 --> 02:28:28.536
everyone working together. So I think

02:28:28.560 --> 02:28:30.696
that that the dog owners have to respect

02:28:30.720 --> 02:28:33.096
the sporting bodies and the sporting

02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:34.936
bodies also have to respect the dog

02:28:34.960 --> 02:28:36.216
owners and we've got to give these

02:28:36.240 --> 02:28:39.240
alternative solutions. Um but my view is

02:28:39.760 --> 02:28:41.576
um yeah like if if we're not going to

02:28:41.600 --> 02:28:42.776
have them on a sporting ground, we need

02:28:42.800 --> 02:28:44.295
sort of some sort of solution where they

02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:45.656
can still have a

02:28:45.680 --> 02:28:48.375
have a recreational um option for these

02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:50.216
people and and noting that you know the

02:28:50.240 --> 02:28:52.216
positive social benefits. Thank you

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Mayor.

02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:54.616
Thank you councelor Martin. Are there

02:28:54.640 --> 02:28:55.976
any other speakers to the motion? Yes,

02:28:56.000 --> 02:28:56.856
Mayor.

02:28:56.880 --> 02:28:59.880
, deputy couns deputy Mayor Simpson.

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Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'd just like to

02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:03.176
respond to a couple of the points made

02:29:03.200 --> 02:29:05.496
by councilors Davenport and Barker. Um,

02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:06.936
this report does actually acknowledge

02:29:06.960 --> 02:29:09.896
that the report  into dedicated dog

02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:11.736
parks alone will not resolve the ongoing

02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:13.976
conflicts between off leash dog exercise

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:15.736
and sporting activities on shared use

02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:17.496
sport fields. But there are some other

02:29:17.520 --> 02:29:19.656
suggestions in the report and

02:29:19.680 --> 02:29:22.295
councilors. I don't see a dedicated dog

02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:24.936
 park as a panacea. It isn't going to

02:29:24.960 --> 02:29:27.176
solve everything.  but it can be used

02:29:27.200 --> 02:29:29.816
in conjunction with other options to try

02:29:29.840 --> 02:29:32.136
and help alleviate the conflict that 

02:29:32.160 --> 02:29:35.160
councelor Davenport  raised regarding

02:29:36.000 --> 02:29:38.455
dog feces um significant injuries to

02:29:38.479 --> 02:29:41.016
players etc. So in my view we should

02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:44.040
proceed with this. Um and when it comes

02:29:44.160 --> 02:29:46.056
to particular locations I'd actually

02:29:46.080 --> 02:29:49.080
like to acknowledge the um the Blackburn

02:29:49.280 --> 02:29:50.696
Football Club and Blackburn Cricket Club

02:29:50.720 --> 02:29:53.256
for their willingness to s make a

02:29:53.280 --> 02:29:54.936
suggestion. So instead of sporting clubs

02:29:54.960 --> 02:29:57.176
just complaining about  these issues,

02:29:57.200 --> 02:29:58.295
they're actually being proactive.

02:29:58.319 --> 02:29:59.496
They're actually engaging and I want to

02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:01.176
acknowledge and thank them for that. And

02:30:01.200 --> 02:30:02.776
they they've made a suggestion behind

02:30:02.800 --> 02:30:05.576
Morton Park, um it's a lovely little bit

02:30:05.600 --> 02:30:07.736
of land.  it's boarded on one side by

02:30:07.760 --> 02:30:09.016
a train line, so it's not going to

02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:11.656
impact that many residents. Um so that's

02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:14.056
their suggestion and therefore whether

02:30:14.080 --> 02:30:15.415
or not it's appropriate or not has yet

02:30:15.439 --> 02:30:17.656
to be determined. But there are it's

02:30:17.680 --> 02:30:19.896
it's a combination of options counselors

02:30:19.920 --> 02:30:21.096
that's going to yield us the best

02:30:21.120 --> 02:30:23.656
outcomes here. Um, and I just also want

02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:26.136
to quickly thank all those volunteers at

02:30:26.160 --> 02:30:28.375
the various boarding clubs who do go

02:30:28.399 --> 02:30:30.295
around the field and check for holes and

02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:32.056
pick up feces. Um, because they're

02:30:32.080 --> 02:30:33.335
doing, you know, a service to their

02:30:33.359 --> 02:30:34.776
clubs, but also to the broader community

02:30:34.800 --> 02:30:36.616
and they're doing it for nothing. So, I

02:30:36.640 --> 02:30:37.896
just wanted to thank those people

02:30:37.920 --> 02:30:39.816
publicly for all their efforts. But on

02:30:39.840 --> 02:30:41.176
the whole council, we should support

02:30:41.200 --> 02:30:43.976
this motion as a broader range um of

02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:46.295
tools in order to try and help alleviate

02:30:46.319 --> 02:30:48.616
the issues between organized sport and

02:30:48.640 --> 02:30:51.640
and  and dog walkers.

02:30:52.479 --> 02:30:54.136
Thank you, Deputy Mayor Simpson. Are

02:30:54.160 --> 02:30:56.056
there any other speakers to the motion?

02:30:56.080 --> 02:30:58.216
Just briefly, Madame Thank you, Madame

02:30:58.240 --> 02:31:00.455
Mayor. Look, I I I support the motion as

02:31:00.479 --> 02:31:03.479
as is. I I think that we've  as

02:31:03.680 --> 02:31:05.415
Councelor Katus says, well, I think this

02:31:05.439 --> 02:31:07.016
council's been discussing this for a

02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:08.295
number of years, and I think it was even

02:31:08.319 --> 02:31:10.056
back in the good old days, if I can call

02:31:10.080 --> 02:31:12.936
it that, about having  fenced dog

02:31:12.960 --> 02:31:15.816
parks. But it it it's um it's it's it's

02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:17.976
good that this  has come to council

02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:21.000
for  for community consultation. 

02:31:21.760 --> 02:31:23.736
the the benefits I want I mean the

02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:26.760
benefits have been   canvased 

02:31:26.800 --> 02:31:29.096
here both for dog owners and for the

02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:32.056
dogs themselves. I see it as a as a as a

02:31:32.080 --> 02:31:35.080
more of a social type of event. And 

02:31:35.439 --> 02:31:38.295
you know people love their dogs. It's

02:31:38.319 --> 02:31:40.056
it's their their companions and some of

02:31:40.080 --> 02:31:41.415
them, you know, it gets to the point

02:31:41.439 --> 02:31:44.439
where the dogs are their family and 

02:31:44.640 --> 02:31:45.976
sometimes they like their dogs better

02:31:46.000 --> 02:31:47.415
than the than the rest of their family,

02:31:47.439 --> 02:31:49.096
too. But that's another story, too. But

02:31:49.120 --> 02:31:52.120
that be that as it may, that the um

02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:55.016
there they are essential. I I think

02:31:55.040 --> 02:31:56.616
there's this part of our community

02:31:56.640 --> 02:31:59.016
fabric that we do go ahead with these

02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:00.616
particular with this community

02:32:00.640 --> 02:32:03.640
consultation  on the  on on these on

02:32:04.080 --> 02:32:06.616
the the dog  fence dog parks. Now

02:32:06.640 --> 02:32:08.056
where they're going to go that'll come

02:32:08.080 --> 02:32:10.536
back in for further report  what size

02:32:10.560 --> 02:32:12.136
they're going to be and how and how they

02:32:12.160 --> 02:32:14.856
would operate that's  that's also for

02:32:14.880 --> 02:32:16.856
for another day but I think with this

02:32:16.880 --> 02:32:19.880
this  this technical port  is is

02:32:19.920 --> 02:32:22.616
fantastic it meets all  the criteria

02:32:22.640 --> 02:32:24.136
that I had a look at the costings are

02:32:24.160 --> 02:32:27.096
there  the operational costs are there

02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:29.016
 then we look at the equity inclusion

02:32:29.040 --> 02:32:30.856
human rights considerations and as I

02:32:30.880 --> 02:32:33.816
said before you know dogs to to some

02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:35.576
people are their family it's it's part

02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:38.600
of It's part of their DNA, part of their

02:32:38.720 --> 02:32:41.415
 their essence of having an enjoyable

02:32:41.439 --> 02:32:43.176
 life and making their life better by

02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:45.016
having a companion animal such as a dog.

02:32:45.040 --> 02:32:46.536
And they are lovely creatures too. Let's

02:32:46.560 --> 02:32:49.560
let's face it. Um so I I endorse this

02:32:50.399 --> 02:32:52.856
Metam. I will support it and I look

02:32:52.880 --> 02:32:55.880
forward to the  to it coming back 

02:32:56.080 --> 02:32:57.896
with suggestions where and how and why

02:32:57.920 --> 02:32:59.816
and how big and all that sort of thing

02:32:59.840 --> 02:33:01.335
and how they will operate because I I

02:33:01.359 --> 02:33:03.496
think it's a fantastic idea. So fully

02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:05.335
endorse it. Thank you. Thank you,

02:33:05.359 --> 02:33:06.616
councelor Allen. Are there any other

02:33:06.640 --> 02:33:09.640
speakers to the motion?

02:33:10.000 --> 02:33:11.415
Given that there was a speaker against

02:33:11.439 --> 02:33:13.096
the motion, you have the right of reply,

02:33:13.120 --> 02:33:16.120
councelor Sten. Thank you, Mayor. Um,

02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:19.399
address some of the comments. Thought

02:33:20.240 --> 02:33:22.776
we're sort of barking up the wrong tree.

02:33:22.800 --> 02:33:24.776
Um, the report doesn't try and solve

02:33:24.800 --> 02:33:26.536
every issue, nor can it. It's just a

02:33:26.560 --> 02:33:28.536
start. It's a opens up the conversations

02:33:28.560 --> 02:33:30.776
with our community. Um it is long

02:33:30.800 --> 02:33:33.176
overdue as others have said been waiting

02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:35.256
for period of time and our community

02:33:35.280 --> 02:33:37.896
have keep on asking us um to take

02:33:37.920 --> 02:33:40.920
action. It's  time to stop talking and

02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:44.760
start the action. Thank you.

02:33:46.080 --> 02:33:48.056
I'll now put the motion. Please keep

02:33:48.080 --> 02:33:50.056
your hands up as I call your names and

02:33:50.080 --> 02:33:53.080
all those in favor.

02:33:54.640 --> 02:33:56.295
Councelor

02:33:56.319 --> 02:33:58.375
Allen, Councelor Wella, Councelor

02:33:58.399 --> 02:34:00.295
Griffith, Councelor Gun, Deputy Mayor

02:34:00.319 --> 02:34:02.536
Simpson, Councelor Langford, Councelor

02:34:02.560 --> 02:34:04.696
Barker, Councelor Stennet, Councelor

02:34:04.720 --> 02:34:07.096
Cuts, and Councelor Martin. Those

02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:10.056
against, Councelor Davenport. I declare

02:34:10.080 --> 02:34:13.080
the motion carried.

02:34:19.120 --> 02:34:21.976
We now move to item 10.2, 2 draft indoor

02:34:22.000 --> 02:34:24.056
sports plan endorsement for community

02:34:24.080 --> 02:34:27.016
consultation round two. Can I have a

02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:29.096
council to move the item?

02:34:29.120 --> 02:34:30.295
Happy to move.

02:34:30.319 --> 02:34:31.576
Thank you, councelor Gun.

02:34:31.600 --> 02:34:33.016
Happy to second, madame may.

02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:35.736
Thank you, councelor Allen. Councelor

02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:36.536
Gun.

02:34:36.560 --> 02:34:38.696
Thank you, Mayor.  the provision of

02:34:38.720 --> 02:34:40.696
sport and recreational facilities are

02:34:40.720 --> 02:34:43.256
part of what I call the four Rs of local

02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:45.576
government. Rates, roads, rubbish, and

02:34:45.600 --> 02:34:48.375
recreation. Our community have come to

02:34:48.399 --> 02:34:49.976
expect the provision of adequate

02:34:50.000 --> 02:34:53.000
facilities for all forms of recreation.

02:34:53.040 --> 02:34:54.776
Sporting fields, walking and cycling

02:34:54.800 --> 02:34:57.096
paths and athletics tracks for instance.

02:34:57.120 --> 02:34:59.415
Indoor and outdoor sports  in in

02:34:59.439 --> 02:35:01.496
indoor and outdoor sport courts are no

02:35:01.520 --> 02:35:03.496
different. Councilors with a growing

02:35:03.520 --> 02:35:05.415
population and some demographic changes

02:35:05.439 --> 02:35:07.176
as well as a shift in some behaviors

02:35:07.200 --> 02:35:09.256
postco. We are facing a cliff in the

02:35:09.280 --> 02:35:10.696
provision of the number of popular

02:35:10.720 --> 02:35:13.256
indoor sport facilities. To plan for and

02:35:13.280 --> 02:35:15.256
manage this challenge, council in

02:35:15.280 --> 02:35:17.736
partnership with their consultant Otium

02:35:17.760 --> 02:35:19.335
have put together this indoor sports

02:35:19.359 --> 02:35:21.896
plan to arrive at the draft indoor

02:35:21.920 --> 02:35:23.896
sports plan. The consultants initially

02:35:23.920 --> 02:35:25.816
sought community input, did a lot of

02:35:25.840 --> 02:35:27.976
mapping of what infrastructure we have,

02:35:28.000 --> 02:35:29.736
studied new trends, and undertook a

02:35:29.760 --> 02:35:32.216
demand analysis. The sports facing the

02:35:32.240 --> 02:35:35.240
greatest court/space deficits were that

02:35:35.280 --> 02:35:37.496
of basketball, table tennis, as we

02:35:37.520 --> 02:35:39.576
discussed earlier, gymnastics, and

02:35:39.600 --> 02:35:42.455
footell. The plan does call for council

02:35:42.479 --> 02:35:44.375
to work with other tiers of government

02:35:44.399 --> 02:35:46.616
to fund some solutions to these issues

02:35:46.640 --> 02:35:48.056
like the non-awwarding indoor sports

02:35:48.080 --> 02:35:49.976
center  project which is well

02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:52.455
underway.  however, there are other

02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:54.056
options in this plan that we are seeking

02:35:54.080 --> 02:35:56.696
community feedback on. suggestions like

02:35:56.720 --> 02:35:58.375
the potential repurposing or

02:35:58.399 --> 02:36:00.936
redevelopment of some stadiums and pre

02:36:00.960 --> 02:36:03.096
precincts like Slater Reserve and Walker

02:36:03.120 --> 02:36:05.736
Park, the repurposing of underutilized

02:36:05.760 --> 02:36:07.816
assets like the top level car park at

02:36:07.840 --> 02:36:10.136
Harrow Street in Boxill.

02:36:10.160 --> 02:36:11.976
The report also calls for partnership

02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:14.056
with schools both public and private as

02:36:14.080 --> 02:36:15.736
well as the private sector to help meet

02:36:15.760 --> 02:36:18.056
future demand. And this is extremely

02:36:18.080 --> 02:36:19.896
important because with the expected

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:22.136
housing and population growth targets,

02:36:22.160 --> 02:36:24.375
council only has limited public space

02:36:24.399 --> 02:36:26.936
with which to build new facilities. A

02:36:26.960 --> 02:36:28.936
potential regional table tennis facility

02:36:28.960 --> 02:36:31.016
being one of them. Colleagues, it's

02:36:31.040 --> 02:36:32.375
important to acknowledge that there are

02:36:32.399 --> 02:36:34.455
a number of indoor sports that are not

02:36:34.479 --> 02:36:36.455
part of this brief of this report like

02:36:36.479 --> 02:36:38.616
Olympic sports  like figure skating,

02:36:38.640 --> 02:36:40.936
ice hockey, aquatics, track cycling, and

02:36:40.960 --> 02:36:43.256
break dancing for instance. Those with

02:36:43.280 --> 02:36:44.856
strong opinions as to whether council

02:36:44.880 --> 02:36:47.016
should play a role in this space are of

02:36:47.040 --> 02:36:48.455
course welcome to make their opinions

02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:51.016
known especially in light of the  fact

02:36:51.040 --> 02:36:53.415
that the report does include  sports

02:36:53.439 --> 02:36:55.256
like fencing, calisthenics and emerging

02:36:55.280 --> 02:36:57.256
sports like climbing, pickle ball and

02:36:57.280 --> 02:36:59.816
paddle ball. The recommendation is to

02:36:59.840 --> 02:37:01.656
put this plan out for community and

02:37:01.680 --> 02:37:04.295
stakeholder consultation in early 2026

02:37:04.319 --> 02:37:07.016
with final adoption midyear 2026.

02:37:07.040 --> 02:37:09.496
Councilors please support.

02:37:09.520 --> 02:37:10.856
Thank you councelor Gun. Councelor

02:37:10.880 --> 02:37:11.335
Allen.

02:37:11.359 --> 02:37:12.936
Yes, thank you. Thank you, Madame May.

02:37:12.960 --> 02:37:15.960
I'll just  thank  councelor Gun for

02:37:16.000 --> 02:37:19.000
his  opening  remarks there and  I

02:37:20.080 --> 02:37:22.216
I endorse them as well, of course. Um

02:37:22.240 --> 02:37:24.455
the report seeks  council's

02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:26.375
endorsement for the the draft indoor

02:37:26.399 --> 02:37:28.455
sports plan and the second round of

02:37:28.479 --> 02:37:31.335
community  stakeholder engagement 

02:37:31.359 --> 02:37:33.656
for early next year. As councelor Gun

02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:36.680
said,  the indoor sports plan will

02:37:37.120 --> 02:37:40.120
provide a key  long-term strategic

02:37:41.439 --> 02:37:44.439
framework to meet the City's  growing

02:37:44.880 --> 02:37:47.880
indoor sport demand over over the next

02:37:47.920 --> 02:37:49.656
20 years which is highlighted in the

02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:52.680
report.  but it also  does highlight

02:37:52.960 --> 02:37:55.256
the fact that there is a shortfall in

02:37:55.280 --> 02:37:58.056
compliant  indoor courts  such as

02:37:58.080 --> 02:38:00.056
basketball, matt and ban mitten and

02:38:00.080 --> 02:38:02.455
obviously table tennis and gymnastics

02:38:02.479 --> 02:38:04.856
and we'll with table tennis we've got

02:38:04.880 --> 02:38:07.335
the feasibility coming as well.  but

02:38:07.359 --> 02:38:09.896
we're also taking  positive action in

02:38:09.920 --> 02:38:12.920
in in gymnastics.  madame Mayor,

02:38:13.920 --> 02:38:15.335
population increases will have a

02:38:15.359 --> 02:38:17.656
dramatic effect on this City  and

02:38:17.680 --> 02:38:20.375
especially recreation  and the

02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:22.295
infrastructure we will be required to

02:38:22.319 --> 02:38:25.016
expand, renew  and build new

02:38:25.040 --> 02:38:27.096
facilities. We will we will need

02:38:27.120 --> 02:38:29.576
partnerships  with schools and other

02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:32.600
councils  regional facilities  will

02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:35.896
be envisaged and  that's that's like

02:38:35.920 --> 02:38:38.536
we are looking at that with anothering

02:38:38.560 --> 02:38:41.560
 another basketball center as well and

02:38:42.000 --> 02:38:45.000
the  the large regionable regional

02:38:45.600 --> 02:38:48.600
regional table tennis  center that

02:38:48.960 --> 02:38:50.856
will no doubt be coming towards us in

02:38:50.880 --> 02:38:53.496
that feasibility study. But we have we

02:38:53.520 --> 02:38:56.056
have looked at it already  in this

02:38:56.080 --> 02:38:59.080
report as well. So I see them  going

02:39:00.080 --> 02:39:03.016
hand in hand together. Um this this

02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:05.496
report is also round about looking over

02:39:05.520 --> 02:39:08.375
the next 15 years.  there'll be phase

02:39:08.399 --> 02:39:10.936
delivery of the  key facility

02:39:10.960 --> 02:39:13.816
redevelopments and optimizing

02:39:13.840 --> 02:39:16.840
um the existing facilities as well and

02:39:17.200 --> 02:39:19.096
obviously strengthening partnerships

02:39:19.120 --> 02:39:21.096
over those  time. and we'll be

02:39:21.120 --> 02:39:23.656
advocating for external funding. I don't

02:39:23.680 --> 02:39:26.136
think we should ever shy away from that.

02:39:26.160 --> 02:39:28.776
Um and the report lists about

02:39:28.800 --> 02:39:30.455
partnership with schools which is 

02:39:30.479 --> 02:39:33.096
fantastic.  there's a range of options

02:39:33.120 --> 02:39:34.375
that we've looked at, you know, like

02:39:34.399 --> 02:39:36.776
gymnastics at Walker Park.  that's an

02:39:36.800 --> 02:39:39.335
option there.  a new regional tables

02:39:39.359 --> 02:39:41.576
tennis and referred to earlier this

02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:44.600
evening.  at possibly going in at

02:39:44.640 --> 02:39:47.640
Boxhill  Aqualink, which is is my, you

02:39:47.840 --> 02:39:50.776
know, my my preferred   if I ever

02:39:50.800 --> 02:39:52.616
get get my say on it, but that's my

02:39:52.640 --> 02:39:54.455
preference to put it there and other

02:39:54.479 --> 02:39:56.856
options with Aqualink as well. 

02:39:56.880 --> 02:39:58.856
possibly extending the the basketball

02:39:58.880 --> 02:40:01.016
court there as well.  and Slater

02:40:01.040 --> 02:40:02.696
Reserve, there's options there. I think

02:40:02.720 --> 02:40:04.375
it could accommodate probably one more

02:40:04.399 --> 02:40:06.216
basketball court, but that remains to be

02:40:06.240 --> 02:40:07.896
seen as well. So, it is a major

02:40:07.920 --> 02:40:09.816
strategic document, Madame May. Very

02:40:09.840 --> 02:40:12.216
happy to endorse. Thank you. Yes.

02:40:12.240 --> 02:40:13.335
Thank you, councelor Allen. Are there

02:40:13.359 --> 02:40:16.295
any other councelor Martin?

02:40:16.319 --> 02:40:19.096
Sorry, councelor Barker. Um, I was just

02:40:19.120 --> 02:40:20.936
going to pick up some major points and

02:40:20.960 --> 02:40:23.016
that  for us moving forward here, I

02:40:23.040 --> 02:40:24.536
think we should look at innovation and

02:40:24.560 --> 02:40:27.096
potentially outside the square solutions

02:40:27.120 --> 02:40:28.936
 which are cost effective because we

02:40:28.960 --> 02:40:31.960
know these are expensive um  pieces of

02:40:32.000 --> 02:40:35.000
things to build. So um some some

02:40:35.359 --> 02:40:37.096
examples of that would be recently we've

02:40:37.120 --> 02:40:38.776
noticed the bad mitten courts at Brooks

02:40:38.800 --> 02:40:40.375
Road which would have been that's that's

02:40:40.399 --> 02:40:42.856
a private  business

02:40:42.880 --> 02:40:45.415
um Forest Hill Chase now they're

02:40:45.439 --> 02:40:46.936
building three basketball courts those

02:40:46.960 --> 02:40:48.616
courts will be completed by the middle

02:40:48.640 --> 02:40:51.496
of next year like where we are in 

02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:54.136
December so they they I'd expect them to

02:40:54.160 --> 02:40:55.736
be done by the end of June. So that's

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:58.760
private building three courts. Um I I

02:40:59.120 --> 02:41:00.536
notice other things like Forest Hill

02:41:00.560 --> 02:41:02.136
College potentially having three or four

02:41:02.160 --> 02:41:05.160
courts. Um um and the and um the other

02:41:05.760 --> 02:41:07.176
thing we could do is be innovative and

02:41:07.200 --> 02:41:09.415
just look at industrial areas. So um

02:41:09.439 --> 02:41:11.576
this this this might this idea will

02:41:11.600 --> 02:41:13.576
resonate with probably councelor Simpson

02:41:13.600 --> 02:41:15.256
in terms of how we talk about open

02:41:15.280 --> 02:41:18.280
space. So, should we be building lots of

02:41:19.120 --> 02:41:21.576
um these types of things in open space

02:41:21.600 --> 02:41:24.600
when we could potentially use um you

02:41:25.280 --> 02:41:27.176
know build in an industrial area so

02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:29.896
we're not taking up open space. So um

02:41:29.920 --> 02:41:31.335
and there's there's other innovative

02:41:31.359 --> 02:41:33.096
solutions like I think I'm not sure if

02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:34.776
everyone's aware that the the is it the

02:41:34.800 --> 02:41:37.176
Bunda Sports Center in Fit Troy along

02:41:37.200 --> 02:41:39.496
Alexander Pra that's a multi-level

02:41:39.520 --> 02:41:41.896
sports facility. So I think we just got

02:41:41.920 --> 02:41:44.136
to  look at those sort of things. Um,

02:41:44.160 --> 02:41:46.375
I'm glad we've got this  report coming

02:41:46.399 --> 02:41:48.056
to cancel tonight. So, I'm looking

02:41:48.080 --> 02:41:51.016
forward um to see what we can do in the

02:41:51.040 --> 02:41:53.736
future for our community. Thank you.

02:41:53.760 --> 02:41:55.256
Thank you, Council Martin. Council

02:41:55.280 --> 02:41:56.056
Barker.

02:41:56.080 --> 02:41:58.375
, thanks very much, Mayor. Um, I'll be

02:41:58.399 --> 02:42:00.056
voting for this, but I'm far from happy

02:42:00.080 --> 02:42:03.080
about it. Let me be completely frank.

02:42:03.520 --> 02:42:05.496
Last time we had an indoor sport report,

02:42:05.520 --> 02:42:07.496
I think was presented two or three years

02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:09.496
ago, and then we're waiting for

02:42:09.520 --> 02:42:11.256
feedback. We invited feedback for

02:42:11.280 --> 02:42:14.280
people. I think we then got CO and then

02:42:14.479 --> 02:42:16.536
all of a sudden we decided to go out and

02:42:16.560 --> 02:42:18.776
um engage some consultants to do it

02:42:18.800 --> 02:42:20.375
again just to see if anything had

02:42:20.399 --> 02:42:22.696
changed during CO and I've got to say

02:42:22.720 --> 02:42:25.176
I've read this and not a lot has

02:42:25.200 --> 02:42:28.200
changed. Um, and you know, I think that

02:42:29.600 --> 02:42:31.496
we're really running at risk of

02:42:31.520 --> 02:42:34.375
paralysis by analysis because there's

02:42:34.399 --> 02:42:36.295
one phrase that always stuck out to me

02:42:36.319 --> 02:42:38.616
as a young infantry officer, and that's

02:42:38.640 --> 02:42:41.096
quite simply this. Is a good plan

02:42:41.120 --> 02:42:43.176
executed with speed and violence in an

02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:46.056
hour is far more likely to succeed than

02:42:46.080 --> 02:42:48.536
a perfect plan executed perfectly in 4

02:42:48.560 --> 02:42:50.295
days time.

02:42:50.319 --> 02:42:53.096
Sometimes we spend too much time in this

02:42:53.120 --> 02:42:56.120
place naval gazing, belly button gazing

02:42:56.720 --> 02:42:59.335
because frankly this report isn't much

02:42:59.359 --> 02:43:01.176
different to the last one. Councelor

02:43:01.200 --> 02:43:03.256
Davenport and myself in fact broke new

02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:05.415
ground with that where we moved an

02:43:05.439 --> 02:43:06.936
amendment to it that we're going to

02:43:06.960 --> 02:43:08.776
entry into partnerships with schools.

02:43:08.800 --> 02:43:10.776
Well, all of a sudden that's very avant

02:43:10.800 --> 02:43:12.776
garden this. Well, that was um

02:43:12.800 --> 02:43:14.616
approached a number of years ago and

02:43:14.640 --> 02:43:17.176
what have we done about it? Nothing.

02:43:17.200 --> 02:43:18.375
Because again, we spent hundreds of

02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:19.736
thousands of dollars with consultants

02:43:19.760 --> 02:43:21.816
and what have we got from them? Not

02:43:21.840 --> 02:43:24.840
much. The report lacks innovation. Thank

02:43:24.880 --> 02:43:27.576
you very much, councelor. The report

02:43:27.600 --> 02:43:29.656
understates the importance of access to

02:43:29.680 --> 02:43:31.256
public transport, and we've seen what

02:43:31.280 --> 02:43:33.096
the state government's doing with

02:43:33.120 --> 02:43:35.016
parking. There won't be any parking in

02:43:35.040 --> 02:43:37.736
Boxill. New apartments and whatnot. Not

02:43:37.760 --> 02:43:39.736
absolutely no parking, but everyone's

02:43:39.760 --> 02:43:42.375
expected to drive from Bowwin North to

02:43:42.399 --> 02:43:43.976
East Burwood to play a game of

02:43:44.000 --> 02:43:46.616
basketball. Seriously. Seriously.

02:43:46.640 --> 02:43:49.496
Aqualink Boxill. How many times has the

02:43:49.520 --> 02:43:51.415
feasibility of that been rejected

02:43:51.439 --> 02:43:54.439
because it requires 65 thou or was it

02:43:54.720 --> 02:43:57.720
$35 million worth of multi-deck car park

02:43:58.080 --> 02:44:00.616
at the back a sensitive interface to

02:44:00.640 --> 02:44:03.640
neighbors. We don't have the land there.

02:44:04.800 --> 02:44:06.455
There's no discussion about how we're

02:44:06.479 --> 02:44:09.479
going to afford prox these facilities

02:44:10.240 --> 02:44:13.240
where the population is. Boxill wants

02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:15.656
5,000 square meters of Boxill Central

02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:18.680
with 17 $18 million because quite

02:44:19.439 --> 02:44:21.576
frankly it looks at a binary sense. So

02:44:21.600 --> 02:44:23.176
it needs to be regional this regional

02:44:23.200 --> 02:44:25.415
that elite this elite that. Well let me

02:44:25.439 --> 02:44:27.576
tell you the most used sporting

02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:29.176
facilities in our City are those that

02:44:29.200 --> 02:44:32.200
are used casually. Nothing to discuss.

02:44:32.560 --> 02:44:34.375
Nothing to discuss. And we know that

02:44:34.399 --> 02:44:36.375
participation the Kunan Comets have done

02:44:36.399 --> 02:44:39.399
it. Every club has done it. you will

02:44:39.840 --> 02:44:41.576
participate in what's closest to you and

02:44:41.600 --> 02:44:43.496
that is becoming increasingly the case

02:44:43.520 --> 02:44:46.136
across our City in any sport because

02:44:46.160 --> 02:44:49.160
it's too hard to get to. No, I'm

02:44:49.439 --> 02:44:51.335
disappointed in it. I've got no other

02:44:51.359 --> 02:44:53.255
option to the support it. But I tell you

02:44:53.279 --> 02:44:56.056
what, um this wasn't a council um

02:44:56.080 --> 02:44:57.656
recommendation to go ahead and do this.

02:44:57.680 --> 02:45:00.680
It was done by the officers.

02:45:02.080 --> 02:45:03.335
Are there any other speakers to the

02:45:03.359 --> 02:45:06.359
motion?

02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:10.136
Given that your speech, councelor

02:45:10.160 --> 02:45:13.160
Barker, was fairly much in the critical,

02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:16.455
I would give councelor Stenet the right

02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:17.096
of reply. No,

02:45:17.120 --> 02:45:18.856
it was myself. I'm happy to wave. Happy

02:45:18.880 --> 02:45:21.880
to wave.

02:45:23.760 --> 02:45:25.656
I would, if there are no more speakers,

02:45:25.680 --> 02:45:27.415
I'll put the motion. Could you please

02:45:27.439 --> 02:45:29.096
hold your hands in the air so I can call

02:45:29.120 --> 02:45:32.120
your names? Councelor Allen, Council,

02:45:34.399 --> 02:45:37.399
unanimous. Thank you.

02:45:49.920 --> 02:45:52.920
We now skip through the agenda to 10.5

02:45:54.000 --> 02:45:56.375
waste management strategy 5-year action

02:45:56.399 --> 02:45:59.399
plan changes to curbside in services.

02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:01.255
Happy to move Mayor.

02:46:01.279 --> 02:46:03.976
Thank you count deputy counselor. Deputy

02:46:04.000 --> 02:46:06.375
Mayor Simpson. I'm struggling tonight.

02:46:06.399 --> 02:46:06.856
That's all right.

02:46:06.880 --> 02:46:09.496
Is there a seconder?

02:46:09.520 --> 02:46:10.455
Yes, Mayor.

02:46:10.479 --> 02:46:12.696
Thank you, Councelor Barker. Deputy

02:46:12.720 --> 02:46:15.720
Council. Deputy Mayor.

02:46:15.840 --> 02:46:17.496
That's quite all right. Mayor, um

02:46:17.520 --> 02:46:19.176
councilors, this this motion before us

02:46:19.200 --> 02:46:21.176
tonight goes to one of councelor Gun's

02:46:21.200 --> 02:46:24.200
four Rs being rubbish. Um and is  to

02:46:24.640 --> 02:46:26.295
adopt the waste management strategy

02:46:26.319 --> 02:46:29.319
5-year action plan for 2025 to 2028. And

02:46:30.160 --> 02:46:32.295
the action plan includes changes to 

02:46:32.319 --> 02:46:34.136
the City's curbside bin collection

02:46:34.160 --> 02:46:36.216
services.

02:46:36.240 --> 02:46:37.976
Probably the the biggest issue of the

02:46:38.000 --> 02:46:39.816
action plan is council's curbside

02:46:39.840 --> 02:46:42.295
transition plan to a four bin service.

02:46:42.319 --> 02:46:44.136
State legislation requires council to

02:46:44.160 --> 02:46:45.896
provide a for bin service including a

02:46:45.920 --> 02:46:47.976
food organics and garden organics or

02:46:48.000 --> 02:46:50.375
foggo service and a separate glass

02:46:50.399 --> 02:46:52.375
recycling service to all households by

02:46:52.399 --> 02:46:55.399
Jan 1 of July sorry 2027 as well as the

02:46:56.240 --> 02:46:58.616
existing garbage and recycling bins.

02:46:58.640 --> 02:47:00.616
While the introduction of the four bin

02:47:00.640 --> 02:47:02.295
service is mandated, council can

02:47:02.319 --> 02:47:03.896
determine the bin sizes, collection

02:47:03.920 --> 02:47:05.976
frequencies, and the implementation of

02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:07.736
supporting measures that best meet local

02:47:07.760 --> 02:47:10.136
community needs. Whitehorse along with

02:47:10.160 --> 02:47:12.056
34 other councils have been actively

02:47:12.080 --> 02:47:13.415
advocating to the state government

02:47:13.439 --> 02:47:15.016
seeking removal of the requirement to

02:47:15.040 --> 02:47:17.176
implement a glass recycling service.

02:47:17.200 --> 02:47:18.696
Plans are also being developed to meet

02:47:18.720 --> 02:47:20.455
the legislative requirements and ensure

02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:22.216
compliance with the legislation by the 1

02:47:22.240 --> 02:47:24.375
of July 2027 if the advocacy is

02:47:24.399 --> 02:47:27.399
unsuccessful in achieving a change.

02:47:27.439 --> 02:47:29.255
council, a decision on changes to the

02:47:29.279 --> 02:47:31.255
curbside service is needed by council

02:47:31.279 --> 02:47:33.335
now, allowing 18 months to procure the

02:47:33.359 --> 02:47:35.176
bins, plan resources, and then implement

02:47:35.200 --> 02:47:37.816
the service change. I know that many in

02:47:37.840 --> 02:47:39.335
this chamber and also many in our

02:47:39.359 --> 02:47:41.816
community are opposed to the  glass

02:47:41.840 --> 02:47:43.816
bin that is being forced onto council.

02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:45.415
However, there will be another gateway

02:47:45.439 --> 02:47:47.736
decision for providing a curbside glass

02:47:47.760 --> 02:47:49.736
recycling service with a future decision

02:47:49.760 --> 02:47:51.656
for the purchase of the bins planned for

02:47:51.680 --> 02:47:54.680
2026. Council can and will continue to

02:47:54.800 --> 02:47:56.056
advocate to the state government to

02:47:56.080 --> 02:47:58.696
oppose the introduction of this bin.

02:47:58.720 --> 02:48:00.375
In my view, council should adopt the

02:48:00.399 --> 02:48:01.656
introduction of the bin collection

02:48:01.680 --> 02:48:03.415
services described as in option two of

02:48:03.439 --> 02:48:05.096
this report with the larger bin options

02:48:05.120 --> 02:48:06.536
and assistance for households with

02:48:06.560 --> 02:48:08.616
specific needs. Consider the service

02:48:08.640 --> 02:48:10.295
change resourcing and implementation

02:48:10.319 --> 02:48:13.319
costs as part of the 2026-27 budget and

02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:15.096
adopt the waste management strategy

02:48:15.120 --> 02:48:17.976
5-year action plan. However, council has

02:48:18.000 --> 02:48:19.496
been considering the options before us

02:48:19.520 --> 02:48:21.255
in the report. I think there are a few

02:48:21.279 --> 02:48:23.576
key issues to consider. And the first is

02:48:23.600 --> 02:48:25.976
ongoing waste service charges. Over

02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:27.576
time, the cost to dispose of rubbish in

02:48:27.600 --> 02:48:29.176
landfill will only increase, which will

02:48:29.200 --> 02:48:31.415
be a rising cost to residents. Going by

02:48:31.439 --> 02:48:32.936
the cost estimates in the report, there

02:48:32.960 --> 02:48:34.696
can be some immediate savings to council

02:48:34.720 --> 02:48:36.375
by reducing the volume of waste set to

02:48:36.399 --> 02:48:38.455
landfill. And longer term, I believe

02:48:38.479 --> 02:48:40.056
council could then consider holding or

02:48:40.080 --> 02:48:41.656
even reducing the waste service charge

02:48:41.680 --> 02:48:43.816
paid by residents. In my view, this is a

02:48:43.840 --> 02:48:45.656
fiscally responsible way to reduce cost

02:48:45.680 --> 02:48:48.056
pressures on residents. The second is

02:48:48.080 --> 02:48:50.375
environmental reasons. Diverting rubbish

02:48:50.399 --> 02:48:51.736
from landfill provides the best

02:48:51.760 --> 02:48:53.976
environmental outcome. Anorobic

02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:55.576
breakdown of organic material produces

02:48:55.600 --> 02:48:57.496
methane which is a potent greenhouse gas

02:48:57.520 --> 02:48:59.415
if it is released into the atmosphere.

02:48:59.439 --> 02:49:01.096
It also prevents that organic material

02:49:01.120 --> 02:49:04.056
from being reused as fertilizer. Further

02:49:04.080 --> 02:49:05.496
utilizing fog for the disposal of

02:49:05.520 --> 02:49:07.415
organic material sees waste become a

02:49:07.439 --> 02:49:09.415
commodity and prevents  ongoing

02:49:09.439 --> 02:49:11.816
environmental harm.

02:49:11.840 --> 02:49:13.496
Educational opportunities are needed.

02:49:13.520 --> 02:49:15.576
counselors. Reading through the report

02:49:15.600 --> 02:49:18.600
and engagement um feedback, there is a

02:49:18.720 --> 02:49:20.536
broad scope for ongoing education with

02:49:20.560 --> 02:49:22.216
residents in Whitehorse on the benefits

02:49:22.240 --> 02:49:24.936
of utilizing Fogo services. There is no

02:49:24.960 --> 02:49:26.936
denying the feedback results that show a

02:49:26.960 --> 02:49:28.455
portion of residents, probably a large

02:49:28.479 --> 02:49:29.816
portion of residents, want the status

02:49:29.840 --> 02:49:32.136
quo to remain. However, the data does

02:49:32.160 --> 02:49:33.496
show that after learning about the

02:49:33.520 --> 02:49:35.255
benefits of moving to a weekly Fogo

02:49:35.279 --> 02:49:36.936
service, the support for the change in

02:49:36.960 --> 02:49:39.496
curbside collection increased. Support

02:49:39.520 --> 02:49:40.856
also increased with residents if

02:49:40.880 --> 02:49:42.375
suitable large or additional garbage

02:49:42.399 --> 02:49:44.696
bins were available to households with

02:49:44.720 --> 02:49:46.375
suitable assistance, including subsidies

02:49:46.399 --> 02:49:48.616
or rebates um for households with

02:49:48.640 --> 02:49:51.335
nappies or medical needs. Councilors,

02:49:51.359 --> 02:49:53.016
what makes a bin stinky is the breaking

02:49:53.040 --> 02:49:55.016
down of organic material, which is a

02:49:55.040 --> 02:49:56.936
large part up to 40% of what goes into

02:49:56.960 --> 02:49:59.016
your red bin. If that material is

02:49:59.040 --> 02:50:00.696
collected via Fogo bin on a weekly

02:50:00.720 --> 02:50:02.536
basis, then the volume of rubbish and

02:50:02.560 --> 02:50:04.136
thus the stinkiness of the red bin

02:50:04.160 --> 02:50:06.216
should decrease. And one resident

02:50:06.240 --> 02:50:08.056
actually shared with me on Sunday that

02:50:08.080 --> 02:50:09.736
they didn't utilize the FOGO for that

02:50:09.760 --> 02:50:11.096
exact reason because it was only

02:50:11.120 --> 02:50:13.176
collected fortnightly. They didn't want

02:50:13.200 --> 02:50:15.496
to put their kitchen waste into it um

02:50:15.520 --> 02:50:17.816
because of the odor issues.

02:50:17.840 --> 02:50:19.415
Adopting this recommendation councils

02:50:19.439 --> 02:50:20.776
will bring Whitehorse into line with

02:50:20.800 --> 02:50:22.056
neighboring councils where residents

02:50:22.080 --> 02:50:23.335
have adapted successfully to a

02:50:23.359 --> 02:50:25.656
fortnightly rubbish bin service. I

02:50:25.680 --> 02:50:27.096
believe that with council providing the

02:50:27.120 --> 02:50:28.856
adequate support to residents, we can

02:50:28.880 --> 02:50:31.576
successfully also adapt to this change.

02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:33.176
In my view, this recommendation is the

02:50:33.200 --> 02:50:35.496
most fiscally responsible option as a

02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:37.736
better outcome for our environment.

02:50:37.760 --> 02:50:39.415
Councils, we voted to ditch carbon

02:50:39.439 --> 02:50:41.335
credits because we wanted to take real

02:50:41.359 --> 02:50:43.496
tangible action on addressing climate

02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.136
change in our City. Reducing lace to R

02:50:46.160 --> 02:50:48.375
landfill is an area where we can make

02:50:48.399 --> 02:50:51.176
real change in a in a in a volume that

02:50:51.200 --> 02:50:53.176
actually has a real tangible outcome for

02:50:53.200 --> 02:50:55.176
this City while also being responsible

02:50:55.200 --> 02:50:57.176
with our rate payers money. Please

02:50:57.200 --> 02:51:00.200
support the motion.

02:51:00.479 --> 02:51:02.216
Councelor Barker.

02:51:02.240 --> 02:51:04.136
Thanks very much, man. Now, I've

02:51:04.160 --> 02:51:05.576
actually had an amendment for this, but

02:51:05.600 --> 02:51:07.656
now that I've seconded it, I' probably

02:51:07.680 --> 02:51:09.896
snookered myself, haven't I? So, I'll

02:51:09.920 --> 02:51:12.455
I'll speak to this and and

02:51:12.479 --> 02:51:15.479
note that families in our great City,

02:51:16.399 --> 02:51:18.056
real standard of living is going

02:51:18.080 --> 02:51:21.016
backwards at the moment. Inflation is

02:51:21.040 --> 02:51:24.040
biting people, which is overcoming real

02:51:24.800 --> 02:51:27.176
real wage growth is below inflation. So,

02:51:27.200 --> 02:51:29.496
standards of living are going backwards.

02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:31.976
Now, we could go the the the extravagant

02:51:32.000 --> 02:51:33.496
way and have everything picked up

02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:36.216
weekly, but you know what? That's just

02:51:36.240 --> 02:51:38.776
going to come out on your waist service

02:51:38.800 --> 02:51:41.736
charge on your rates. And we need to be

02:51:41.760 --> 02:51:44.616
really conscious of every family in our

02:51:44.640 --> 02:51:46.136
great City. And that's the only reason

02:51:46.160 --> 02:51:48.616
I'm supporting this. And I do hope

02:51:48.640 --> 02:51:49.816
someone will have a look at the

02:51:49.840 --> 02:51:52.840
amendment that I prepared for this about

02:51:53.200 --> 02:51:56.136
really detailed human terrain analysis

02:51:56.160 --> 02:51:57.816
so that we can really target the

02:51:57.840 --> 02:52:00.056
education because the only way I really

02:52:00.080 --> 02:52:02.295
want to support this is if we get it

02:52:02.319 --> 02:52:03.816
right.

02:52:03.840 --> 02:52:05.576
Because the Americans have a saying

02:52:05.600 --> 02:52:07.656
which is walking over dimes to pick up

02:52:07.680 --> 02:52:10.455
pennies. Because yeah, we might save

02:52:10.479 --> 02:52:13.479
some things on the um

02:52:14.960 --> 02:52:16.776
waste to landfill or waste to

02:52:16.800 --> 02:52:19.496
alternative processing, but if we're

02:52:19.520 --> 02:52:21.896
then spending millions of dollars on

02:52:21.920 --> 02:52:24.920
remediation or our City looks like

02:52:26.080 --> 02:52:29.080
um the back blocks of Manila,

02:52:30.080 --> 02:52:32.696
that's not going to be effective, right?

02:52:32.720 --> 02:52:34.536
It's really important that our City is

02:52:34.560 --> 02:52:37.016
great. It works for families and we keep

02:52:37.040 --> 02:52:39.656
the cost down. It's that tripartite ass.

02:52:39.680 --> 02:52:40.936
It's a little bit like energy. It's got

02:52:40.960 --> 02:52:43.176
to be reliable. It's got to be available

02:52:43.200 --> 02:52:45.016
and it's ideally got to be cheap and low

02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:47.576
carbon. So, we're trying to balance all

02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:49.016
of those. And that's why in this

02:52:49.040 --> 02:52:51.415
instance, I'll be supporting this. But I

02:52:51.439 --> 02:52:53.415
would urge any of you that wants to move

02:52:53.439 --> 02:52:55.335
that amendment to this. I'll be

02:52:55.359 --> 02:52:57.016
delighted to see you do that. Thank you,

02:52:57.040 --> 02:52:59.415
Mayor.

02:52:59.439 --> 02:53:00.455
Mayor, I have an amendment.

02:53:00.479 --> 02:53:02.375
Thank you. Council

02:53:02.399 --> 02:53:03.896
Barker, Councelor Davenport.

02:53:03.920 --> 02:53:06.920
Um, I'd like to delete 0.1. Um, and I'd

02:53:07.680 --> 02:53:10.536
also like to delete.3

02:53:10.560 --> 02:53:12.936
and I'd like to replace 0.1 with

02:53:12.960 --> 02:53:15.960
adopting option one as opposed to option

02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:19.176
two. And I've provided the text. And I

02:53:19.200 --> 02:53:22.200
would like to delete item number three

02:53:23.279 --> 02:53:25.976
and replace it with a delay of decision

02:53:26.000 --> 02:53:29.000
of the glass recycling until April 2026.

02:53:34.000 --> 02:53:35.736
We'll just wait for those amendments to

02:53:35.760 --> 02:53:38.760
go onto the screen

02:53:48.319 --> 02:53:51.319
as well.

02:53:52.319 --> 02:53:55.319
Someone else can do that.

02:54:03.840 --> 02:54:06.840
Yeah, but yeah, but but because had to

02:54:37.680 --> 02:54:39.096
councilors will just have a two-minute

02:54:39.120 --> 02:54:41.976
recess while this is done.

02:54:42.000 --> 02:54:44.295
Okay. So, we have the amendments up on

02:54:44.319 --> 02:54:47.319
the screen. Um, do you agree with this,

02:54:48.319 --> 02:54:49.335
Council Simpson?

02:54:49.359 --> 02:54:50.375
No, Mayor. I do not.

02:54:50.399 --> 02:54:52.936
And the second, Councelor Barker. M

02:54:52.960 --> 02:54:55.176
I seek second for these ch these ch

02:54:55.200 --> 02:54:56.536
these amendments.

02:54:56.560 --> 02:54:57.496
Yes.

02:54:57.520 --> 02:54:59.896
Thank you councelor Griffith.

02:54:59.920 --> 02:55:02.920
So councilors I think the there's two

02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:04.696
two amendments that I'm going to talk

02:55:04.720 --> 02:55:07.335
to. Firstly um rather than going out to

02:55:07.359 --> 02:55:09.816
the community and saying um we're going

02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:12.840
to have a glass recycling system and 

02:55:13.200 --> 02:55:15.496
service and then coming back in March or

02:55:15.520 --> 02:55:18.136
April to make a decision on whether or

02:55:18.160 --> 02:55:20.856
not we go ahead or not. I think it's a

02:55:20.880 --> 02:55:23.656
bit problematic. I think it's hard for

02:55:23.680 --> 02:55:25.816
us to go to the community and say one

02:55:25.840 --> 02:55:28.136
month pick up this is what's going to be

02:55:28.160 --> 02:55:31.160
and then come back. Then my view no

02:55:31.920 --> 02:55:34.920
comment on glass until April next year

02:55:35.680 --> 02:55:38.680
when we have to make a decision and then

02:55:39.200 --> 02:55:41.816
that allows us to continue our current

02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:44.536
advocacy which is on the books not to

02:55:44.560 --> 02:55:47.560
not to have glass bin and then  make a

02:55:48.160 --> 02:55:50.216
decision at that point in time. I think

02:55:50.240 --> 02:55:52.616
that has merit. It doesn't lead the

02:55:52.640 --> 02:55:54.696
community down the garden path and it

02:55:54.720 --> 02:55:57.415
keeps us with the most flexible

02:55:57.439 --> 02:55:59.976
approaches possible. And why? because

02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:02.216
the implementation of the glass bin is

02:56:02.240 --> 02:56:05.240
$4.1 million and it's ongoing cost and

02:56:05.920 --> 02:56:08.536
we shouldn't be locking ourselves in or

02:56:08.560 --> 02:56:11.560
locking ourselves into a corner as well.

02:56:12.399 --> 02:56:14.776
The second is on option one versus

02:56:14.800 --> 02:56:17.176
option two.

02:56:17.200 --> 02:56:20.200
I have not seen a survey result in your

02:56:22.000 --> 02:56:24.776
say or the other pieces of feedback at

02:56:24.800 --> 02:56:27.656
this type of level. Um, I've seen

02:56:27.680 --> 02:56:29.976
petitions after decisions are made, but

02:56:30.000 --> 02:56:33.000
it's very rare to get over 5,000

02:56:33.600 --> 02:56:36.600
responses of community feedback on a

02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:40.120
survey which was clearly designed to

02:56:40.319 --> 02:56:42.936
point the community to an option number

02:56:42.960 --> 02:56:45.096
two. When you read that survey

02:56:45.120 --> 02:56:48.056
questionnaire, it was pointing

02:56:48.080 --> 02:56:50.696
towards number two. Was designed to get

02:56:50.720 --> 02:56:52.856
to solicit that type of response. And

02:56:52.880 --> 02:56:55.880
despite that counselors, despite that um

02:56:57.520 --> 02:57:00.520
you had the majority of respondents

02:57:00.640 --> 02:57:03.640
in our community statistically

02:57:04.000 --> 02:57:07.000
significant number of responses so that

02:57:07.359 --> 02:57:09.816
they wanted to maintain

02:57:09.840 --> 02:57:12.295
weekly red bin

02:57:12.319 --> 02:57:14.696
and a fortnightly

02:57:14.720 --> 02:57:17.720
yellow bin and have foggo fortnightly

02:57:18.319 --> 02:57:21.255
and and f and that was 56%.

02:57:21.279 --> 02:57:24.279
um the fortnightly youth for Fogo 62%

02:57:25.680 --> 02:57:28.616
from the report um saying that they they

02:57:28.640 --> 02:57:31.640
wanted to retain fortnightly Fogo. Now

02:57:33.040 --> 02:57:36.040
um when you look at the cost aspect um

02:57:37.920 --> 02:57:40.136
option two indicates that there's a

02:57:40.160 --> 02:57:43.160
subsid subsidy about 471,000 a year but

02:57:44.319 --> 02:57:47.319
over almost $20 million service. It's

02:57:48.000 --> 02:57:50.056
not a big one. That's for option two.

02:57:50.080 --> 02:57:52.616
Option one, there is no subsidy. But

02:57:52.640 --> 02:57:54.136
counselors, when you talk about the

02:57:54.160 --> 02:57:56.616
numbers, they sound very big, but when

02:57:56.640 --> 02:57:59.640
you break it down by household

02:57:59.680 --> 02:58:02.680
to maintain a weekly

02:58:02.800 --> 02:58:04.455
um

02:58:04.479 --> 02:58:07.255
pickup of the red bin,

02:58:07.279 --> 02:58:09.255
to maintain a weekly pick up the red

02:58:09.279 --> 02:58:11.415
bin, it's about $10 a year for a

02:58:11.439 --> 02:58:13.335
household. So, when I ask members of the

02:58:13.359 --> 02:58:16.359
community, I go, "What would you prefer

02:58:16.960 --> 02:58:19.816
fortnightly versus weekly? you pay $10 a

02:58:19.840 --> 02:58:22.840
week more  not a week, $10 a year more

02:58:23.439 --> 02:58:26.439
for the weekly pickup of the red bin.

02:58:26.720 --> 02:58:28.696
They'd say they want the red bin weekly

02:58:28.720 --> 02:58:30.856
or you better put in your survey

02:58:30.880 --> 02:58:33.880
response because a lot of people had had

02:58:34.720 --> 02:58:37.720
expressed an opinion on maintaining this

02:58:38.080 --> 02:58:41.080
the option one. Um and that's despite

02:58:42.240 --> 02:58:44.696
the survey results being pushing towards

02:58:44.720 --> 02:58:47.720
option two, the council campaign, the

02:58:48.080 --> 02:58:51.080
popups that had had been designed in

02:58:51.680 --> 02:58:54.136
some cases pushing an option in the

02:58:54.160 --> 02:58:57.160
later consultations, not so much. Um and

02:58:57.600 --> 02:59:00.600
so councilors, we need to listen to our

02:59:01.040 --> 02:59:03.576
community and what they've told us about

02:59:03.600 --> 02:59:06.600
that. Um, we spent a lot of money doing

02:59:08.399 --> 02:59:10.536
that consultation

02:59:10.560 --> 02:59:13.560
and we should be adopting in this case

02:59:13.600 --> 02:59:16.600
what has been put forward. Councilors,

02:59:17.359 --> 02:59:20.216
um, I urge your support on these two

02:59:20.240 --> 02:59:23.016
particular amendments. Thank you.

02:59:23.040 --> 02:59:26.040
Councelor Griffith, I concur with the

02:59:26.160 --> 02:59:28.696
comments of councelor Davenport. I've

02:59:28.720 --> 02:59:31.496
provided feedback to the organization of

02:59:31.520 --> 02:59:34.520
my view of the consultation approach and

02:59:34.960 --> 02:59:37.960
my personal engagement in it.

02:59:38.640 --> 02:59:41.640
Um I I'm also supportive of holding off

02:59:42.080 --> 02:59:45.016
on the glass recycling decisions. I was

02:59:45.040 --> 02:59:46.776
not supportive of going out with the

02:59:46.800 --> 02:59:48.295
4-week

02:59:48.319 --> 02:59:51.176
um frequency of collection. I think we

02:59:51.200 --> 02:59:53.496
should be minimizing the cost of

02:59:53.520 --> 02:59:55.976
something that council is advocating not

02:59:56.000 --> 02:59:58.616
to do at all. minimize the cost,

02:59:58.640 --> 03:00:01.016
minimize the frequency and take the

03:00:01.040 --> 03:00:02.616
learnings from other councils that

03:00:02.640 --> 03:00:05.255
already collecting glass at a much lower

03:00:05.279 --> 03:00:07.496
frequency and that have moved from one

03:00:07.520 --> 03:00:10.520
low frequency to an even lower one.

03:00:10.720 --> 03:00:13.255
I lived in MES Council before I saw the

03:00:13.279 --> 03:00:16.056
light and came to Whitehorse um during

03:00:16.080 --> 03:00:18.455
their transition

03:00:18.479 --> 03:00:21.479
 from weekly red bin to fortnightly.

03:00:22.800 --> 03:00:24.776
For me personally, it wasn't too bad.

03:00:24.800 --> 03:00:27.255
But the decisions that we make here are

03:00:27.279 --> 03:00:29.335
not on our personal views. It's not a

03:00:29.359 --> 03:00:31.736
view of council knows best or individual

03:00:31.760 --> 03:00:33.896
counselor's ideals necessarily, but we

03:00:33.920 --> 03:00:35.415
need to meet the community where they're

03:00:35.439 --> 03:00:38.439
at. And what councelor Devport said, if

03:00:38.640 --> 03:00:40.616
people are willing to pay extra for a

03:00:40.640 --> 03:00:43.640
frequent um red bean collection service,

03:00:43.840 --> 03:00:46.616
then we should remember that we're here

03:00:46.640 --> 03:00:49.640
to serve the community and provide them

03:00:49.680 --> 03:00:52.216
with what they're asking for. For that

03:00:52.240 --> 03:00:54.295
reason, I'm supportive of option one.

03:00:54.319 --> 03:00:56.536
Look forward to see where we end up on

03:00:56.560 --> 03:00:58.455
the glass recycling service, if our

03:00:58.479 --> 03:01:00.696
advocacy works or if we could minimize

03:01:00.720 --> 03:01:03.720
the cost.

03:01:03.760 --> 03:01:06.760
I'm also excited for future changes. um

03:01:06.880 --> 03:01:09.016
which might see our landfall levy

03:01:09.040 --> 03:01:11.016
charges decrease and what the impacts of

03:01:11.040 --> 03:01:13.736
that might be as our waste management um

03:01:13.760 --> 03:01:16.696
progresses into the future. That's all.

03:01:16.720 --> 03:01:18.216
Mayor,

03:01:18.240 --> 03:01:19.576
thank you councelor Griffith. Are there

03:01:19.600 --> 03:01:20.056
any other speakers?

03:01:20.080 --> 03:01:22.295
Yes, we have a question. Mayor C 

03:01:22.319 --> 03:01:23.415
Deputy Mayor Simpson.

03:01:23.439 --> 03:01:26.056
Thank you, Mayor. Um it was asserted

03:01:26.080 --> 03:01:29.080
that to have the red bin collected 

03:01:29.520 --> 03:01:31.255
once a week would only cost the resident

03:01:31.279 --> 03:01:33.335
$10 more a year. I'd like to know if

03:01:33.359 --> 03:01:35.736
that's correct, please.

03:01:35.760 --> 03:01:37.255
, Mr. White, could you please come to

03:01:37.279 --> 03:01:40.279
the lecton?

03:01:45.680 --> 03:01:47.415
Um, through you, Mayor. I haven't got

03:01:47.439 --> 03:01:49.496
that detail in front of me at the

03:01:49.520 --> 03:01:50.936
moment, and I'm not sure that it was

03:01:50.960 --> 03:01:52.536
actually provided in the report, so I

03:01:52.560 --> 03:01:54.536
can't confirm or deny that that number

03:01:54.560 --> 03:01:57.560
is correct.

03:02:00.880 --> 03:02:02.216
Are there any further speakers to the

03:02:02.240 --> 03:02:02.536
motion?

03:02:02.560 --> 03:02:03.096
Yes, ma'am.

03:02:03.120 --> 03:02:05.096
Thank you, Council Sten. Thank you,

03:02:05.120 --> 03:02:06.936
Mayor. , tonight council's being asked

03:02:06.960 --> 03:02:09.096
to adopt the waste manage management

03:02:09.120 --> 03:02:12.120
strategy um and the action plan to make

03:02:12.319 --> 03:02:14.536
a significant decision about the future

03:02:14.560 --> 03:02:17.560
of our curbside bin services. Um, while

03:02:17.680 --> 03:02:20.295
the 4 m four bin model is required by

03:02:20.319 --> 03:02:22.856
legislations, council still has the

03:02:22.880 --> 03:02:25.176
ability and the obligation to determine

03:02:25.200 --> 03:02:27.096
bin sizes, collection frequencies, and

03:02:27.120 --> 03:02:29.335
supporting measures that truly reflect

03:02:29.359 --> 03:02:31.576
local community needs. That must guide

03:02:31.600 --> 03:02:34.600
our decision. I also want to acknowledge

03:02:34.800 --> 03:02:37.176
um that having recently been elected

03:02:37.200 --> 03:02:39.016
onto council's environmental and

03:02:39.040 --> 03:02:41.415
sustainability reference group as chair

03:02:41.439 --> 03:02:44.439
for now, some might expect that I would

03:02:45.040 --> 03:02:46.856
simply accept the recommendation before

03:02:46.880 --> 03:02:49.176
us to move to fortnightly garbage

03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:51.255
collection. But sustainability is not

03:02:51.279 --> 03:02:53.576
served by policies that failed the

03:02:53.600 --> 03:02:56.536
practical tests of fairness, equity, and

03:02:56.560 --> 03:02:58.776
community support. My opposition to

03:02:58.800 --> 03:03:01.335
fortnightly garbage collection is not a

03:03:01.359 --> 03:03:03.656
rejection of sustainability. It is a

03:03:03.680 --> 03:03:05.736
call for practical, equitable, and

03:03:05.760 --> 03:03:07.496
community supported environmental

03:03:07.520 --> 03:03:10.056
solutions. This approach is entirely

03:03:10.080 --> 03:03:13.080
consistent with the ESRG's objectives

03:03:13.120 --> 03:03:15.976
which focus on providing informed input,

03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:17.736
reviewing strategies, monitoring

03:03:17.760 --> 03:03:19.576
outcomes, and coordinating with

03:03:19.600 --> 03:03:21.576
stakeholders to achieve effective

03:03:21.600 --> 03:03:23.656
environmental outcomes. I've been on

03:03:23.680 --> 03:03:25.816
council long enough to remember two

03:03:25.840 --> 03:03:28.840
major reforms. the shift from 120 L

03:03:31.040 --> 03:03:33.976
garbage bins to 80 L in 2013 and the

03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:36.136
introduction of the ring and book system

03:03:36.160 --> 03:03:39.016
in 2012. Neither initiative was

03:03:39.040 --> 03:03:40.295
particularly loved when it was

03:03:40.319 --> 03:03:42.295
introduced. Yet both had massive

03:03:42.319 --> 03:03:44.936
potential positive impact in reducing

03:03:44.960 --> 03:03:46.856
waste to landfill. The key difference

03:03:46.880 --> 03:03:49.656
though is this. We reduced bin sizes but

03:03:49.680 --> 03:03:51.576
we did not reduce the collection

03:03:51.600 --> 03:03:54.056
frequency. We also offered residents a

03:03:54.080 --> 03:03:57.080
second 240 L recycling bin for free. And

03:03:58.319 --> 03:04:00.216
when we moved to the ring and book, we

03:04:00.240 --> 03:04:02.536
still provided two free hard waste

03:04:02.560 --> 03:04:05.016
collections per year up to 3 cubic

03:04:05.040 --> 03:04:07.096
meters. In other words, we encourage

03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:09.896
better waste behavior without cutting a

03:04:09.920 --> 03:04:12.920
core service. What is being proposed

03:04:13.680 --> 03:04:16.216
by option  two is fundamentally

03:04:16.240 --> 03:04:18.696
different. A red reduction in the

03:04:18.720 --> 03:04:20.776
collection frequency of garbage will be

03:04:20.800 --> 03:04:23.800
seen for what it is. a cut to one of the

03:04:23.840 --> 03:04:26.696
most essential services councils provide

03:04:26.720 --> 03:04:27.656
and one that will have a

03:04:27.680 --> 03:04:30.056
disproportionate impact on families

03:04:30.080 --> 03:04:32.295
doing it tough. Larger town houses,

03:04:32.319 --> 03:04:34.536
carers, people with medical needs and

03:04:34.560 --> 03:04:36.455
residents in units and town houses with

03:04:36.479 --> 03:04:38.776
limited bin storage. The community

03:04:38.800 --> 03:04:41.576
consultation made this clear and despite

03:04:41.600 --> 03:04:43.736
some calling it extravagant, weekly

03:04:43.760 --> 03:04:45.976
garbage pickup is not a luxury. It's a

03:04:46.000 --> 03:04:48.216
necessity, especially during during

03:04:48.240 --> 03:04:50.936
warmer months. residents overwhelmingly

03:04:50.960 --> 03:04:53.896
supported um improving recycling and the

03:04:53.920 --> 03:04:55.415
broader management strategy, but they

03:04:55.439 --> 03:04:57.016
did not support reducing garbage

03:04:57.040 --> 03:04:59.496
collection to once a fortnight. U for

03:04:59.520 --> 03:05:01.896
those reasons, I cannot support um

03:05:01.920 --> 03:05:03.736
option two and I am supporting option

03:05:03.760 --> 03:05:05.816
one. Thank you, Mayor.

03:05:05.840 --> 03:05:07.335
Thank you, Councelor Sten. Are there any

03:05:07.359 --> 03:05:08.776
other speakers? Councelor Allen.

03:05:08.800 --> 03:05:10.375
Yeah, thank you, Madam May. I couldn't

03:05:10.399 --> 03:05:11.816
have said it any better myself,

03:05:11.840 --> 03:05:13.255
councelor Sten. You hit the nail right

03:05:13.279 --> 03:05:16.279
on the head. I  I I I would absolutely

03:05:16.640 --> 03:05:18.696
you know when you go back to you know

03:05:18.720 --> 03:05:20.375
rates rose and rubbish well this is

03:05:20.399 --> 03:05:23.399
rubbish and  option two is well that's

03:05:23.520 --> 03:05:25.335
I suppose that's rubbish too but anyway

03:05:25.359 --> 03:05:27.496
so that's why I'm supporting option one

03:05:27.520 --> 03:05:30.520
I I I in all my conscious I would not

03:05:30.640 --> 03:05:33.640
dare could even think about cutting back

03:05:33.840 --> 03:05:36.840
on the weekly  bid service it just

03:05:37.120 --> 03:05:39.255
just doesn't it's just it's not in my

03:05:39.279 --> 03:05:41.096
DNA and I don't think it's don't think

03:05:41.120 --> 03:05:43.496
it's right at all. I think it's it as

03:05:43.520 --> 03:05:45.016
councelor Senate is right it will be

03:05:45.040 --> 03:05:48.040
seen as a cut. Um I I and as as as

03:05:50.240 --> 03:05:53.240
councelor Devport has says 50 56% of

03:05:54.160 --> 03:05:57.160
people  who responded supported going

03:05:58.000 --> 03:06:01.000
keeping the fortnight  sorry the weekly

03:06:01.040 --> 03:06:03.736
um garbage collection. I I I think it's

03:06:03.760 --> 03:06:05.415
just one of those services that you just

03:06:05.439 --> 03:06:07.656
don't touch. It's almost like you know

03:06:07.680 --> 03:06:09.415
mother's milk. You just you just don't

03:06:09.439 --> 03:06:11.335
interfere with it. It it's a it's one of

03:06:11.359 --> 03:06:14.359
those essential life life sustaining um

03:06:15.200 --> 03:06:16.776


03:06:16.800 --> 03:06:18.455
I don't know substances or whatever

03:06:18.479 --> 03:06:20.616
whatever the word's supposed to be. But

03:06:20.640 --> 03:06:22.216
it it it's one of those things that's

03:06:22.240 --> 03:06:23.415
very very important to a number of

03:06:23.439 --> 03:06:26.439
people. I think it it's also the the 

03:06:26.560 --> 03:06:29.255
with young families too and  I've been

03:06:29.279 --> 03:06:31.896
 obviously having grandsons. I mean

03:06:31.920 --> 03:06:34.920
you know  with disposable nappies 

03:06:35.359 --> 03:06:38.359
yes  that's and we look after him look

03:06:38.640 --> 03:06:40.295
after them two days a week. I know what

03:06:40.319 --> 03:06:42.696
that's all about. And I can imagine that

03:06:42.720 --> 03:06:45.720
um that that's one of the main 

03:06:47.520 --> 03:06:49.896
reasons that I will be supporting um

03:06:49.920 --> 03:06:52.295
option one. The fact that there's a lot

03:06:52.319 --> 03:06:54.616
of waste in there that that has to be,

03:06:54.640 --> 03:06:56.776
you know, once a week is essential, not

03:06:56.800 --> 03:06:58.616
once a fortnight.  and there's a lot

03:06:58.640 --> 03:07:00.776
of other waste in them too that  needs

03:07:00.800 --> 03:07:03.576
to go obviously that that needs to be 

03:07:03.600 --> 03:07:05.576
taken out once a week. So, Madame Mayor,

03:07:05.600 --> 03:07:08.600
I I support  Council Devport's um 

03:07:09.120 --> 03:07:12.120
option one, keep it as it is, and I

03:07:12.479 --> 03:07:15.479
think we would we are  doing the right

03:07:15.760 --> 03:07:17.976
thing by the majority of the residents

03:07:18.000 --> 03:07:21.000
in the  in in our City.  the delay

03:07:21.600 --> 03:07:23.576
in the glass wall, that's that's another

03:07:23.600 --> 03:07:25.016
that's another matter too. I support

03:07:25.040 --> 03:07:26.936
that too. Let's have a look at that in

03:07:26.960 --> 03:07:29.960
April 2026.  but overall, let's keep

03:07:30.800 --> 03:07:33.800
the the weekly  garbage collection as

03:07:33.840 --> 03:07:35.896
is and just leave it alone. Thank you,

03:07:35.920 --> 03:07:36.936
Madame May.

03:07:36.960 --> 03:07:38.295
Thank you, Councelor Allen. Are there

03:07:38.319 --> 03:07:40.375
any other speakers to the motion?

03:07:40.399 --> 03:07:40.936
Yes, ma'am.

03:07:40.960 --> 03:07:42.295
Councelor Gun.

03:07:42.319 --> 03:07:44.536
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the

03:07:44.560 --> 03:07:46.856
discussion thus far all. It's been very

03:07:46.880 --> 03:07:49.880
civil. Let's keep it that way. I want to

03:07:50.080 --> 03:07:53.080
just highlight a few things here. Um I

03:07:53.359 --> 03:07:55.736
can understand why the officers put

03:07:55.760 --> 03:07:58.216
forward so strongly with option two. I

03:07:58.240 --> 03:08:00.696
can understand it. The officers live and

03:08:00.720 --> 03:08:03.720
breathe this um this issue and it is a

03:08:04.319 --> 03:08:06.696
huge issue that's facing this City. 

03:08:06.720 --> 03:08:08.936
the costs of putting rubbish into the

03:08:08.960 --> 03:08:10.696
ground are exponentially growing and

03:08:10.720 --> 03:08:12.056
they're getting harder and harder for us

03:08:12.080 --> 03:08:14.216
to manage. That cost is being passed on

03:08:14.240 --> 03:08:16.696
to residents.

03:08:16.720 --> 03:08:19.176
So I understand that. What I don't

03:08:19.200 --> 03:08:22.136
understand is how the questionnaire as

03:08:22.160 --> 03:08:25.096
was phrased um at the beginning as

03:08:25.120 --> 03:08:27.335
council  Davenport

03:08:27.359 --> 03:08:30.295
 alluded to and council Griffiths 

03:08:30.319 --> 03:08:33.096
that this is a consultation.  the

03:08:33.120 --> 03:08:34.856
reason for the consultation I might add

03:08:34.880 --> 03:08:36.856
was for the glass introduction of glass

03:08:36.880 --> 03:08:39.176
bins and officers said well whilst we're

03:08:39.200 --> 03:08:40.936
going out asking about that we may as

03:08:40.960 --> 03:08:43.496
well just ask about um options one and

03:08:43.520 --> 03:08:45.896
two on on how we use our our waste and

03:08:45.920 --> 03:08:48.920
and rubbish and I don't think that they

03:08:49.680 --> 03:08:51.976
were expecting quite the response that

03:08:52.000 --> 03:08:55.000
they got. Now I attended one of those um

03:08:55.359 --> 03:08:57.016
pop-up sessions outside the Vermont

03:08:57.040 --> 03:09:00.040
South um shopping center and  yes we

03:09:00.880 --> 03:09:02.295
had the consultants there. We had some

03:09:02.319 --> 03:09:04.375
offices officers from staff there as

03:09:04.399 --> 03:09:07.399
well and it was overwhelming to me. Now

03:09:08.720 --> 03:09:10.696
I understand fear of change. I

03:09:10.720 --> 03:09:13.720
understand that absolutely. Um but this

03:09:13.760 --> 03:09:16.760
is about fundamental what are we here to

03:09:16.800 --> 03:09:19.255
do? We are here to provide a service and

03:09:19.279 --> 03:09:22.279
that service is rates, roads, rubbish,

03:09:22.399 --> 03:09:24.856
recreation. It's making sure that we do

03:09:24.880 --> 03:09:27.736
the things that people expect of us and

03:09:27.760 --> 03:09:30.760
they expect waste management. They

03:09:30.880 --> 03:09:33.335
expect it to be done efficiently and we

03:09:33.359 --> 03:09:35.415
have excellent we have excellent reviews

03:09:35.439 --> 03:09:38.439
for what we do. Our our community really

03:09:38.960 --> 03:09:41.415
really value the service that we provide

03:09:41.439 --> 03:09:42.856
and now that may not be the case

03:09:42.880 --> 03:09:44.455
elsewhere but we actually get really

03:09:44.479 --> 03:09:46.375
great customer satisfaction ratings for

03:09:46.399 --> 03:09:49.399
what we do and to look to change that I

03:09:51.279 --> 03:09:53.816
think we need to take our residents on a

03:09:53.840 --> 03:09:55.896
journey. I don't think that can be a

03:09:55.920 --> 03:09:58.136
very quick change. I think councelor

03:09:58.160 --> 03:10:00.295
Barker mentioned education who was going

03:10:00.319 --> 03:10:02.455
to bring that forward in his 

03:10:02.479 --> 03:10:04.216
potential amendment earlier. I think

03:10:04.240 --> 03:10:06.375
that's critical and I think it's not

03:10:06.399 --> 03:10:09.399
just  the odd oh which bin does this

03:10:09.439 --> 03:10:11.176
go in which bin does this go in. I think

03:10:11.200 --> 03:10:13.176
it needs to be fundamentally at the

03:10:13.200 --> 03:10:15.016
interface with our residents. We need to

03:10:15.040 --> 03:10:18.040
be walking them through um firstly

03:10:18.800 --> 03:10:20.856
giving positive feedback where where

03:10:20.880 --> 03:10:22.375
residents are doing the right thing and

03:10:22.399 --> 03:10:24.295
the and the and the FOGO numbers are

03:10:24.319 --> 03:10:25.976
growing and we getting those diversion

03:10:26.000 --> 03:10:27.736
rates growing because we want to have

03:10:27.760 --> 03:10:29.896
that movement from our red bins to the

03:10:29.920 --> 03:10:31.816
green bins where it is essential because

03:10:31.840 --> 03:10:34.536
as mentioned 40% of what's going in our

03:10:34.560 --> 03:10:36.616
red bins could be going into our green

03:10:36.640 --> 03:10:38.696
bins and that's really important. But I

03:10:38.720 --> 03:10:39.816
can't support moving to this

03:10:39.840 --> 03:10:41.096
particularly without soft plastic

03:10:41.120 --> 03:10:42.856
recycling which is another another

03:10:42.880 --> 03:10:45.880
battle we need to take.

03:10:46.319 --> 03:10:48.295
Are there any other further members?

03:10:48.319 --> 03:10:49.576
Councelor Katz.

03:10:49.600 --> 03:10:51.096
Um

03:10:51.120 --> 03:10:52.856
so as somebody who's been on the

03:10:52.880 --> 03:10:55.176
environment sustainability committee I

03:10:55.200 --> 03:10:58.200
am in a very difficult position here

03:10:58.240 --> 03:11:00.536
um because we've got people on that

03:11:00.560 --> 03:11:02.776
committee who hardly ever use their red

03:11:02.800 --> 03:11:05.335
bin and they're extraordinary recyclers.

03:11:05.359 --> 03:11:08.359
But at the other side of the spectrum,

03:11:08.640 --> 03:11:11.640
we've got the trust of our community and

03:11:12.640 --> 03:11:15.016
we've got more than 50% of people saying

03:11:15.040 --> 03:11:17.016
they can't

03:11:17.040 --> 03:11:19.816
cope with going to a fortnightly bin

03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:22.136
collection. And I think trust is a

03:11:22.160 --> 03:11:25.160
really important thing. So as far as I'm

03:11:25.760 --> 03:11:28.760
concerned is that

03:11:28.960 --> 03:11:30.936
if we haven't got the result that we

03:11:30.960 --> 03:11:33.960
want, we can't be expecting our

03:11:34.720 --> 03:11:36.856
community to understand any of our

03:11:36.880 --> 03:11:39.016
decisions if they come in and they

03:11:39.040 --> 03:11:41.176
oppose it and then we support them all

03:11:41.200 --> 03:11:43.896
the time. So I think trust is a really

03:11:43.920 --> 03:11:46.375
really important thing in our community.

03:11:46.399 --> 03:11:47.976
We know we've got issues with federal

03:11:48.000 --> 03:11:51.000
and state government. We need we've got

03:11:51.040 --> 03:11:53.335
the figures here. They showed clearly

03:11:53.359 --> 03:11:55.976
that people in the main did not want to

03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:59.000
change. Now that doesn't mean that we

03:11:59.200 --> 03:12:01.656
stick to this forever either. But I

03:12:01.680 --> 03:12:04.536
think going to councelor Gun's comments,

03:12:04.560 --> 03:12:06.936
we need there's an education piece here

03:12:06.960 --> 03:12:09.960
that really we need to improve. 45% of

03:12:10.720 --> 03:12:13.720
Whitehorse residents are born overseas.

03:12:14.399 --> 03:12:17.399
there is a need for multi-ingual

03:12:18.560 --> 03:12:21.560
information about our waste strategy

03:12:22.000 --> 03:12:25.000
because I know that other um surrounding

03:12:25.040 --> 03:12:28.040
councils have moved to the weekly FOGO

03:12:28.479 --> 03:12:31.479
and um the fortnightly red bin but they

03:12:32.640 --> 03:12:35.640
did that at the one time we introduced

03:12:36.080 --> 03:12:38.216
Fogo separately and I think that's part

03:12:38.240 --> 03:12:41.240
of the problem here also another part of

03:12:41.359 --> 03:12:44.359
the problem here is we've got 80 liter

03:12:44.479 --> 03:12:47.479
waste bins. Other LGAs have got 120. I

03:12:49.840 --> 03:12:52.536
think in 2013 we went too small too

03:12:52.560 --> 03:12:55.496
early because I don't think a lot of

03:12:55.520 --> 03:12:57.576
this push back would necessarily be here

03:12:57.600 --> 03:13:00.600
if we had 120 L bins. And yes, it's

03:13:01.359 --> 03:13:03.896
really important. I'm a big big promoter

03:13:03.920 --> 03:13:06.056
of recycling and all of that type of

03:13:06.080 --> 03:13:08.216
thing and trying to do our bit for the

03:13:08.240 --> 03:13:11.240
planet. But I think trust with our

03:13:11.840 --> 03:13:14.295
community is really critical here. And

03:13:14.319 --> 03:13:16.936
if we were to pass something with over

03:13:16.960 --> 03:13:19.016
50% of people saying no, we don't want

03:13:19.040 --> 03:13:21.496
that. With large numbers of people

03:13:21.520 --> 03:13:24.520
engaging with this, I think they would

03:13:24.560 --> 03:13:27.415
then wonder about are we actually

03:13:27.439 --> 03:13:30.295
listening to our community

03:13:30.319 --> 03:13:33.016
or are we here on our soap box wanting

03:13:33.040 --> 03:13:36.040
to look good doing the right thing.

03:13:36.160 --> 03:13:38.616
So for those reasons I will be

03:13:38.640 --> 03:13:41.640
supporting option two one sorry one.

03:13:41.760 --> 03:13:43.656
Thank you.

03:13:43.680 --> 03:13:45.736
Thank you councelor cuts. Are there any

03:13:45.760 --> 03:13:47.255
other speakers to the motion? Council

03:13:47.279 --> 03:13:48.455
Martin.

03:13:48.479 --> 03:13:49.736
I think I have to speak to this one

03:13:49.760 --> 03:13:51.415
because it really is a big issue for our

03:13:51.439 --> 03:13:54.439
community. So um look from a personal

03:13:54.720 --> 03:13:56.936
point I I support option two and I've

03:13:56.960 --> 03:13:58.536
been supporting councelor Simpson in

03:13:58.560 --> 03:14:00.856
your approach. Um

03:14:00.880 --> 03:14:03.096
 the glass bin I can see the arguments

03:14:03.120 --> 03:14:05.016
for that in terms of a a delay. That's

03:14:05.040 --> 03:14:07.176
just a I'm not going to touch that one.

03:14:07.200 --> 03:14:08.696
Um but just I'm just going to talk about

03:14:08.720 --> 03:14:10.056
a couple of things. I don't think people

03:14:10.080 --> 03:14:13.016
understand FOGO. So um I do think we

03:14:13.040 --> 03:14:15.176
need a comprehensive communication plan

03:14:15.200 --> 03:14:16.776
with the community cuz I rang just

03:14:16.800 --> 03:14:18.375
people on hand. I said look do you know

03:14:18.399 --> 03:14:19.496
council's doing this? They didn't even

03:14:19.520 --> 03:14:20.936
know I said could you do this? They go

03:14:20.960 --> 03:14:22.295
there's no way I could do it. Then I

03:14:22.319 --> 03:14:23.976
said but did you know you you know you

03:14:24.000 --> 03:14:27.000
would get this weekly collection. So, um

03:14:27.600 --> 03:14:30.600
I think that I think that that um that

03:14:31.600 --> 03:14:34.600
communication plan is key, but to

03:14:34.720 --> 03:14:36.536
councelor Gun's point, I'm not sure if

03:14:36.560 --> 03:14:38.536
the community is ready or not. So, maybe

03:14:38.560 --> 03:14:41.560
we won't get this today. Um but um we

03:14:43.200 --> 03:14:44.455
maybe won't get it today, but I think

03:14:44.479 --> 03:14:47.016
it'll come. So, I in my personal

03:14:47.040 --> 03:14:49.736
household, I kept the 120 L bin and I

03:14:49.760 --> 03:14:51.176
paid more for it cuz I just couldn't

03:14:51.200 --> 03:14:53.656
cope. So, um, that that was my personal

03:14:53.680 --> 03:14:56.215
experience, but at the moment, I try and

03:14:56.239 --> 03:14:57.496
put the kitchen waste and the

03:14:57.520 --> 03:15:00.520
recyclables in in in the Foggo bin. Um,

03:15:01.040 --> 03:15:02.536
but what I find is that's the bin that

03:15:02.560 --> 03:15:03.816
stinks now cuz it only gets picked up

03:15:03.840 --> 03:15:06.536
every two weeks. So, we're sort of it's

03:15:06.560 --> 03:15:08.215
sort of what what we we sort of can't

03:15:08.239 --> 03:15:10.455
move on because of that. So, how do we

03:15:10.479 --> 03:15:11.896
move move on? I don't know. But, I

03:15:11.920 --> 03:15:13.255
suppose the first thing is we try and

03:15:13.279 --> 03:15:14.856
reduce our waste. So, try not to throw

03:15:14.880 --> 03:15:17.016
too much out, not try try not to waste

03:15:17.040 --> 03:15:20.040
food. Um, recycle where we can. Um I

03:15:20.239 --> 03:15:21.896
don't know if council's looked but there

03:15:21.920 --> 03:15:23.976
was a story inside the local government

03:15:24.000 --> 03:15:25.496
newsletter today about the City of

03:15:25.520 --> 03:15:28.295
Paramea. So it relates to this. So if

03:15:28.319 --> 03:15:31.096
you get a chance read it um and it's

03:15:31.120 --> 03:15:32.856
I'll just quote quote it cuz I've got

03:15:32.880 --> 03:15:34.696
time. in the council's feed ite to Fogo

03:15:34.720 --> 03:15:36.295
educational awareness campaign was

03:15:36.319 --> 03:15:38.295
rolled out in April 24 in the City of

03:15:38.319 --> 03:15:40.776
Paramea prior to the launch of the Fogo

03:15:40.800 --> 03:15:43.415
service in November 24 to help residents

03:15:43.439 --> 03:15:45.016
learn more about the service and how to

03:15:45.040 --> 03:15:47.255
fogo through a suite of e educational

03:15:47.279 --> 03:15:49.176
materials including videos and pamphlets

03:15:49.200 --> 03:15:52.200
in English simplified chinese, Hindu,

03:15:52.239 --> 03:15:54.375
Korean and Arabic on council websites

03:15:54.399 --> 03:15:56.856
and social media content. So other

03:15:56.880 --> 03:15:58.536
councils are doing this around the

03:15:58.560 --> 03:15:59.976
country and there are other councils

03:16:00.000 --> 03:16:02.136
that have got  getting their rubbish

03:16:02.160 --> 03:16:05.160
collected every two weeks and um and and

03:16:05.359 --> 03:16:08.359
the world is not ending. So um

03:16:08.880 --> 03:16:10.616
additionally I've got the large recycle

03:16:10.640 --> 03:16:12.375
bin. I've got two foggo bins. I've got

03:16:12.399 --> 03:16:14.136
heaps of leaves at my house and I'll be

03:16:14.160 --> 03:16:15.496
jumping on the roof this weekend and

03:16:15.520 --> 03:16:17.016
filling probably four of them if I had

03:16:17.040 --> 03:16:19.816
them. Um but anyway, the idea is

03:16:19.840 --> 03:16:22.455
obviously to divert the stinky materials

03:16:22.479 --> 03:16:25.479
from our bins into the um Fogo bins.

03:16:26.080 --> 03:16:27.335
That that's that's what we're trying to

03:16:27.359 --> 03:16:29.096
do here. And eventually our energy is

03:16:29.120 --> 03:16:30.856
not going to go to landfill. It's going

03:16:30.880 --> 03:16:33.176
to  our our waste is not going to

03:16:33.200 --> 03:16:34.375
landfill. It's going to be going to

03:16:34.399 --> 03:16:36.136
energy when it heads down to Mville in a

03:16:36.160 --> 03:16:39.160
few years time. So um yes, I've got my

03:16:40.080 --> 03:16:42.295
personal opinion. Um I'm going to have

03:16:42.319 --> 03:16:43.335
to think about this one because I've

03:16:43.359 --> 03:16:45.736
heard what the community says. So, I'll

03:16:45.760 --> 03:16:48.760
see how I go with my vote. Thank you.

03:16:49.439 --> 03:16:50.616
Are there any other speakers to the

03:16:50.640 --> 03:16:51.016
motion?

03:16:51.040 --> 03:16:52.056
Yes, ma'am.

03:16:52.080 --> 03:16:54.455
Thank you, Deputy S.

03:16:54.479 --> 03:16:55.415
Councelor Simpson.

03:16:55.439 --> 03:16:56.616
That's all right. Thank you, May. I'll

03:16:56.640 --> 03:16:57.976
treat this as my right of reply,

03:16:58.000 --> 03:16:59.496
counselors, given where we are in the

03:16:59.520 --> 03:17:00.936
debate. And I want to thank you all for

03:17:00.960 --> 03:17:03.096
having the debate. I think, you know,

03:17:03.120 --> 03:17:05.096
we've all raised some really important

03:17:05.120 --> 03:17:08.120
issues and um we've done so in a way, I

03:17:08.239 --> 03:17:09.415
think, that is really trying to get to

03:17:09.439 --> 03:17:11.976
the best outcome for the community. But

03:17:12.000 --> 03:17:13.176
there's a couple of points I'd like to

03:17:13.200 --> 03:17:15.176
address. And the first is that we're

03:17:15.200 --> 03:17:17.576
cutting something. No, we're not.

03:17:17.600 --> 03:17:19.656
There's no cut because what we're do

03:17:19.680 --> 03:17:21.576
what we're simply asking residents to do

03:17:21.600 --> 03:17:23.656
is to shift their waste from one bin to

03:17:23.680 --> 03:17:25.335
another. And we're adjusting the

03:17:25.359 --> 03:17:27.656
frequency collection. Now, going back to

03:17:27.680 --> 03:17:30.455
the stats about how much or how long it

03:17:30.479 --> 03:17:31.736
takes you to fill up your red bin.

03:17:31.760 --> 03:17:34.215
Personally, before I had a Fogo bin, I

03:17:34.239 --> 03:17:37.096
chose to compost at home. my red bin

03:17:37.120 --> 03:17:38.375
suddenly went from going from once a

03:17:38.399 --> 03:17:41.399
week to once a month overnight because I

03:17:42.000 --> 03:17:43.736
shifted the volume the bulk of the

03:17:43.760 --> 03:17:46.375
volume out of the red bin. So, we're not

03:17:46.399 --> 03:17:48.375
cutting anything. What we're trying to

03:17:48.399 --> 03:17:50.375
do is reduce waste to landfill which is

03:17:50.399 --> 03:17:52.936
costing our residents more money and is

03:17:52.960 --> 03:17:55.576
more harmful to the environment. So it's

03:17:55.600 --> 03:17:57.335
not a cut

03:17:57.359 --> 03:18:00.359
going to the survey participants

03:18:01.200 --> 03:18:03.576
and I think this goes to what councilors

03:18:03.600 --> 03:18:05.335
Gun and councelor cuts have said about

03:18:05.359 --> 03:18:07.255
trust and engaging in education and

03:18:07.279 --> 03:18:08.776
walking with our community and I agree

03:18:08.800 --> 03:18:11.096
with you because initially residents

03:18:11.120 --> 03:18:13.415
were um hesitant

03:18:13.439 --> 03:18:15.736
but after having a conversation with

03:18:15.760 --> 03:18:18.760
them between 72 and 100% of participants

03:18:19.520 --> 03:18:21.016
changed their mind and they supported

03:18:21.040 --> 03:18:24.040
the weekly fogo and fortnightly garbage.

03:18:24.160 --> 03:18:25.736
So whilst I respect what our community

03:18:25.760 --> 03:18:27.976
is telling us and if this amendment gets

03:18:28.000 --> 03:18:31.000
up which I strongly think it will then

03:18:31.279 --> 03:18:33.736
you know we are obviously respecting the

03:18:33.760 --> 03:18:35.415
wishes of the community as councelor

03:18:35.439 --> 03:18:38.439
cuts has alluded to with the um

03:18:38.479 --> 03:18:41.479
discussing the trust factor

03:18:41.600 --> 03:18:43.016
but there is a massive educational

03:18:43.040 --> 03:18:44.295
opportunity there and I hope that

03:18:44.319 --> 03:18:45.896
officers who have been listening to this

03:18:45.920 --> 03:18:48.056
debate can see that and can grasp hold

03:18:48.080 --> 03:18:50.136
of it because if we help communities

03:18:50.160 --> 03:18:51.976
move in that direction especially people

03:18:52.000 --> 03:18:54.215
from migrant backgrounds who um you know

03:18:54.239 --> 03:18:56.215
has already been discussed we we have

03:18:56.239 --> 03:18:58.295
various diasporas in Whitehorse if they

03:18:58.319 --> 03:19:00.856
can be helped along this journey as well

03:19:00.880 --> 03:19:02.696
 in resources and language that's

03:19:02.720 --> 03:19:04.616
appropriate to them if we can help

03:19:04.640 --> 03:19:06.776
people voluntarily move towards a

03:19:06.800 --> 03:19:08.696
situation where they're putting their

03:19:08.720 --> 03:19:11.720
waste in their FOGO bin um then um you

03:19:12.800 --> 03:19:14.455
know then we can move towards a policy

03:19:14.479 --> 03:19:16.536
in the future where we do change our bin

03:19:16.560 --> 03:19:19.255
frequency collection um and I'll just

03:19:19.279 --> 03:19:21.816
let you know I I my my green bin doesn't

03:19:21.840 --> 03:19:23.896
stink Um, even though it's collected

03:19:23.920 --> 03:19:26.215
fortnightly, um, I do have it in a bit

03:19:26.239 --> 03:19:28.136
of shade, but I chuck other organic

03:19:28.160 --> 03:19:29.976
garden material in there throughout the

03:19:30.000 --> 03:19:31.656
throughout the fortnight. So, from a

03:19:31.680 --> 03:19:33.896
from a hygiene perspective, I don't see

03:19:33.920 --> 03:19:35.896
it as a a big issue in my own personal

03:19:35.920 --> 03:19:37.896
experience. But on the whole, council is

03:19:37.920 --> 03:19:39.816
I think what we're trying to do is the

03:19:39.840 --> 03:19:41.415
best thing for residents from an

03:19:41.439 --> 03:19:42.696
economic perspective and an

03:19:42.720 --> 03:19:44.856
environmental perspective. So, please

03:19:44.880 --> 03:19:46.696
don't support this amendment, but if it

03:19:46.720 --> 03:19:48.375
does get up, let's work with our

03:19:48.399 --> 03:19:50.536
community to help them walk in a better

03:19:50.560 --> 03:19:53.560
direction in the future.

03:19:54.080 --> 03:19:55.576
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Are there

03:19:55.600 --> 03:19:56.936
any further speakers? Thank you,

03:19:56.960 --> 03:19:58.616
councelor Barker.

03:19:58.640 --> 03:20:01.415
Yeah, I I find it a difficult one. Um,

03:20:01.439 --> 03:20:03.255
you know, my personal circumstance, I

03:20:03.279 --> 03:20:05.096
live in a household of four and a big

03:20:05.120 --> 03:20:07.496
dog. We don't fill our red bin. That

03:20:07.520 --> 03:20:08.856
doesn't really matter to me. And I've

03:20:08.880 --> 03:20:11.656
had I've certainly got concerns about

03:20:11.680 --> 03:20:13.415
the potential of moving to a fortnightly

03:20:13.439 --> 03:20:16.439
rubbish take up because frankly there

03:20:17.279 --> 03:20:18.776
are a lot of people in our City that

03:20:18.800 --> 03:20:21.656
struggle to use the waste systems and

03:20:21.680 --> 03:20:23.255
they're not in Churchill Street Mont

03:20:23.279 --> 03:20:25.816
Albert May they're often students that

03:20:25.840 --> 03:20:28.696
are in East Burwood your board counselor

03:20:28.720 --> 03:20:30.215
they're new to the City they're new to

03:20:30.239 --> 03:20:32.536
our country and they're from Cambodia or

03:20:32.560 --> 03:20:35.496
Vietnam or China or whatever or India

03:20:35.520 --> 03:20:37.016
they haven't grown up with that

03:20:37.040 --> 03:20:40.040
sophisticated system. So you see a

03:20:40.800 --> 03:20:42.696
blender and the generous

03:20:42.720 --> 03:20:44.375
community-minded things is to leave it

03:20:44.399 --> 03:20:46.215
on your nature strip so someone can come

03:20:46.239 --> 03:20:48.295
and picks it up and strips the copper

03:20:48.319 --> 03:20:50.455
out of it and recycles it that way.

03:20:50.479 --> 03:20:51.976
That's a generous thing to do. That's

03:20:52.000 --> 03:20:54.536
the civic thing to do in their mind.

03:20:54.560 --> 03:20:56.696
What happens here is then someone adds a

03:20:56.720 --> 03:20:58.696
an old blind to it, a piece of carpet

03:20:58.720 --> 03:21:00.536
and next thing we know we've got the

03:21:00.560 --> 03:21:03.560
place is looking like Rwanda. Um

03:21:04.160 --> 03:21:06.776
but and so that was it's going to be a

03:21:06.800 --> 03:21:09.800
huge challenge to to do that fortnightly

03:21:10.000 --> 03:21:12.455
and I I think we're going to stick with

03:21:12.479 --> 03:21:15.479
this but understand you put a green bin

03:21:16.880 --> 03:21:19.335
now into these units that don't have

03:21:19.359 --> 03:21:21.656
gardens and in the future you look you

03:21:21.680 --> 03:21:23.976
know there's five units five three level

03:21:24.000 --> 03:21:25.496
units there's not going to be any green

03:21:25.520 --> 03:21:26.696
space on that so they're not going to be

03:21:26.720 --> 03:21:28.936
putting leaves from their trees and

03:21:28.960 --> 03:21:31.096
garden clippings in it. A lot of people

03:21:31.120 --> 03:21:31.976
are going to be sitting there going,

03:21:32.000 --> 03:21:33.736
"What? What on earth is this for?" And

03:21:33.760 --> 03:21:34.696
then they're going to get this

03:21:34.720 --> 03:21:37.720
ridiculous purple bin. Well, seriously,

03:21:37.840 --> 03:21:39.496
what sort of a joke is that? So, they're

03:21:39.520 --> 03:21:41.816
going to end up with a green bin that

03:21:41.840 --> 03:21:42.936
they're not going to know what to do

03:21:42.960 --> 03:21:44.056
with. Why don't they just stick it in

03:21:44.080 --> 03:21:45.496
their red bin cuz it gets picked up

03:21:45.520 --> 03:21:47.176
every week? It gets picked up

03:21:47.200 --> 03:21:48.536
fortnightly. They don't have grass

03:21:48.560 --> 03:21:51.096
clippings or weeds or stuff that those

03:21:51.120 --> 03:21:52.536
of us fortunate to live on big

03:21:52.560 --> 03:21:54.936
standalone properties have. So, there'll

03:21:54.960 --> 03:21:57.335
be people that are just left perplexed

03:21:57.359 --> 03:22:00.136
by this. Now, I think the the

03:22:00.160 --> 03:22:02.455
fortnightly with decent education and

03:22:02.479 --> 03:22:04.936
really targeted data analytics to to

03:22:04.960 --> 03:22:06.936
mine into the community and help them.

03:22:06.960 --> 03:22:09.096
And I wasn't a big supporter of it cuz

03:22:09.120 --> 03:22:10.776
as I said, you know, it's easy to say,

03:22:10.800 --> 03:22:12.776
"Oh, we'll save so much from landfill

03:22:12.800 --> 03:22:14.696
and fogo gases and all that sort of

03:22:14.720 --> 03:22:16.856
palava." I I don't believe any of that

03:22:16.880 --> 03:22:19.576
nonsense, right? cuz if the City ends up

03:22:19.600 --> 03:22:21.656
looking

03:22:21.680 --> 03:22:24.680
like a messy and we spent heaps millions

03:22:24.720 --> 03:22:27.255
on remediation then you know saving a

03:22:27.279 --> 03:22:28.856
couple of tons from landfills really

03:22:28.880 --> 03:22:31.880
irrelevant. So um be aware that we we

03:22:33.840 --> 03:22:36.295
choose this and I think we're sherking I

03:22:36.319 --> 03:22:38.215
think we're sherking it. I think we're

03:22:38.239 --> 03:22:39.896
chickening you know and there's

03:22:39.920 --> 03:22:41.816
something about you know squibbing the

03:22:41.840 --> 03:22:44.295
hard ball. Sometimes you need to make

03:22:44.319 --> 03:22:46.616
change and it would make a whole lot

03:22:46.640 --> 03:22:48.856
more sense for people to say put your

03:22:48.880 --> 03:22:50.696
food waste in the green bin gets picked

03:22:50.720 --> 03:22:53.720
up weekly. Change is difficult. Um we

03:22:54.640 --> 03:22:56.295
can just kick kicking the can down the

03:22:56.319 --> 03:22:58.375
road. So we seem to have plenty of form

03:22:58.399 --> 03:23:00.616
for that.

03:23:00.640 --> 03:23:02.536
Thank you councelor Barker. Are there

03:23:02.560 --> 03:23:05.560
any other speakers to the motion?

03:23:05.680 --> 03:23:07.816
I will now put the amendment. Could you

03:23:07.840 --> 03:23:10.136
please hold your hands in the air so I

03:23:10.160 --> 03:23:12.215
can count call your names? All those in

03:23:12.239 --> 03:23:15.016
favor, councelor Allen, councelor

03:23:15.040 --> 03:23:16.856
Griffith, councelor Gun, Councelor

03:23:16.880 --> 03:23:19.496
Davenport, Council Langford, Councelor

03:23:19.520 --> 03:23:22.455
Stennet, and Councelor Cutz. All those

03:23:22.479 --> 03:23:25.096
against, Councelor Weller, Councelor

03:23:25.120 --> 03:23:28.120
Simpson, Council Barker, and Councelor

03:23:29.439 --> 03:23:31.976
Martin. The amendment is carried.

03:23:32.000 --> 03:23:34.936
Mayor, I have a further amendment. Um,

03:23:34.960 --> 03:23:37.016
you

03:23:37.040 --> 03:23:38.776
um I'm just going to check on that,

03:23:38.800 --> 03:23:40.375
counselor.

03:23:40.399 --> 03:23:43.335
He's

03:23:43.359 --> 03:23:44.616
already explained it.

03:23:44.640 --> 03:23:47.176
No, I haven't spoken to the originating

03:23:47.200 --> 03:23:50.200
motion.

03:23:51.359 --> 03:23:53.576
Okay, this now becomes the motion and we

03:23:53.600 --> 03:23:55.016
can now have an amendment on this

03:23:55.040 --> 03:23:55.415
motion.

03:23:55.439 --> 03:23:57.176
Thank you. I um I move a further

03:23:57.200 --> 03:23:58.136
amendment. Um

03:23:58.160 --> 03:23:59.176
Thank you, councelor.

03:23:59.200 --> 03:24:02.200
I'll call it the AI and um

03:24:02.800 --> 03:24:03.576
education

03:24:03.600 --> 03:24:06.215
education enhancement

03:24:06.239 --> 03:24:09.239
amendment.

03:24:10.239 --> 03:24:11.496
Have you got the words for that?

03:24:11.520 --> 03:24:14.520
, yeah, I do. Um, councelor Barker had

03:24:14.560 --> 03:24:17.335
alluded to it earlier tonight. It's that

03:24:17.359 --> 03:24:18.215
same wording.

03:24:18.239 --> 03:24:19.736
All right, we'll just let

03:24:19.760 --> 03:24:22.215
Yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah,

03:24:22.239 --> 03:24:25.239
thank you.

03:24:25.920 --> 03:24:27.896
Could I have a second of that amendment?

03:24:27.920 --> 03:24:28.696
Second.

03:24:28.720 --> 03:24:30.936
Thank you, Councelor Allan.

03:24:30.960 --> 03:24:33.576
Um, Meg, um, perhaps you might want to

03:24:33.600 --> 03:24:35.656
ask the mover in a second if it's

03:24:35.680 --> 03:24:37.176
acceptable.

03:24:37.200 --> 03:24:38.856
I was about to do that.

03:24:38.880 --> 03:24:41.880
Um is  do you accept that council

03:24:42.720 --> 03:24:43.816
Simpson as a mover? I

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I do but technically you meant to ask me

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before you asked for the second but it's

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all good.

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Council Barker second.

03:24:52.319 --> 03:24:53.816
Thanks m I'll accept it even though I

03:24:53.840 --> 03:24:55.896
don't accept a whole lot of change going

03:24:55.920 --> 03:24:58.776
on with this but

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all right let's debate the amendment.

03:25:01.439 --> 03:25:02.936
Council

03:25:02.960 --> 03:25:05.176
May given given that um the amendment's

03:25:05.200 --> 03:25:08.200
accepted I I wave any right to talk to

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it. Thank you.

03:25:11.520 --> 03:25:14.520
 second.

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Okay.

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Well now um

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yes councelor Allan

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accept the amendment the amendment.

03:25:25.760 --> 03:25:28.455
Thank you councelor Allen. Are there any

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other speakers to this amendment to this

03:25:30.560 --> 03:25:32.536
motion?

03:25:32.560 --> 03:25:35.255
I now put this motion to the vote. Those

03:25:35.279 --> 03:25:38.279
all those in favor. Councelor Allen.

03:25:40.560 --> 03:25:43.255
We have a unanimous Thank you.

03:25:43.279 --> 03:25:46.279
Just

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We now go to item 10.6,

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tender evaluation report contract 3059.

03:26:08.239 --> 03:26:11.096
Point of order may um I I remember you

03:26:11.120 --> 03:26:13.576
asked for us to vote on the amendment.

03:26:13.600 --> 03:26:15.736
Have you asked us to vote on the whole

03:26:15.760 --> 03:26:17.816
motion?

03:26:17.840 --> 03:26:18.936
That's what I just did. That was

03:26:18.960 --> 03:26:20.295
Oh, was that it? Was it?

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That was it.

03:26:21.359 --> 03:26:22.776
Okay. All right. Sorry. Thank you,

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councelor Davenport.

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Item 10.6, tender evaluation report,

03:26:28.560 --> 03:26:31.096
contract 30592,

03:26:31.120 --> 03:26:34.120
bulk fuel, fuel card services and oils,

03:26:34.239 --> 03:26:37.239
lubricants and vehicle care product.

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Could I have the council and move the

03:26:39.120 --> 03:26:42.120
item, please?

03:26:42.720 --> 03:26:44.295
Happy to move, Mayor.

03:26:44.319 --> 03:26:46.776
Thank you, Deputy Mayor Simpson. Could I

03:26:46.800 --> 03:26:47.816
have a second, please?

03:26:47.840 --> 03:26:48.696
Happy to second.

03:26:48.720 --> 03:26:50.536
Thank you, Councelor Barker. Councelor

03:26:50.560 --> 03:26:52.536
Simpson.  thank you Mayor. Um this

03:26:52.560 --> 03:26:54.136
report is really quite simple

03:26:54.160 --> 03:26:56.295
counselors. Um we have an ongoing

03:26:56.319 --> 03:26:58.295
requirement to purchase fuel, oils,

03:26:58.319 --> 03:27:00.136
lubricants and vehicle care products for

03:27:00.160 --> 03:27:02.295
our fleet of vehicles, plants and

03:27:02.319 --> 03:27:05.319
equipment. Um so this offer is  from

03:27:05.600 --> 03:27:08.600
BP  for a period up to 30th of April

03:27:08.720 --> 03:27:10.616
2028.

03:27:10.640 --> 03:27:13.016
Um council is not is under no obligation

03:27:13.040 --> 03:27:14.936
to use any amounts under these contracts

03:27:14.960 --> 03:27:17.176
and can opt out if other suppliers 

03:27:17.200 --> 03:27:19.176
with better offers are received. Um but

03:27:19.200 --> 03:27:21.096
on the whole council as this is you know

03:27:21.120 --> 03:27:23.496
a stock contract that we need to sign in

03:27:23.520 --> 03:27:25.016
order to keep doing our job. So please

03:27:25.040 --> 03:27:27.016
support the motion.

03:27:27.040 --> 03:27:28.776
Sec. Thank you councelor Simpson.

03:27:28.800 --> 03:27:29.415
Councelor Barker.

03:27:29.439 --> 03:27:30.936
Yeah. Not much to add. There's a bit of

03:27:30.960 --> 03:27:32.696
ample in there cuz they deliver bulk

03:27:32.720 --> 03:27:35.720
fuel to our waste transfer station. It's

03:27:36.560 --> 03:27:38.455
um principally administrative. Thank

03:27:38.479 --> 03:27:39.736
you.

03:27:39.760 --> 03:27:41.656
Are there any other first speakers to

03:27:41.680 --> 03:27:43.976
the motion?

03:27:44.000 --> 03:27:45.176
Given that there are no further

03:27:45.200 --> 03:27:46.696
speakers, I will now put the motion.

03:27:46.720 --> 03:27:48.455
Please put your hands in the air if

03:27:48.479 --> 03:27:50.776
you're in favor of the motion. It's

03:27:50.800 --> 03:27:53.800
unanimously carried.

03:27:54.479 --> 03:27:56.856
Item 10.6, audit and risk committee

03:27:56.880 --> 03:27:58.936
annual performance evaluation. Could I

03:27:58.960 --> 03:28:00.375
have a counselor and move the item,

03:28:00.399 --> 03:28:00.856
please?

03:28:00.880 --> 03:28:01.656
Happy to move.

03:28:01.680 --> 03:28:04.056
Councelor Griffith. Is there a seconder?

03:28:04.080 --> 03:28:06.056
Happy to second. Mayor.

03:28:06.080 --> 03:28:09.080
Councelor Gun. Councelor Griffith. Well,

03:28:09.520 --> 03:28:11.816
this is a statutory requirement of the

03:28:11.840 --> 03:28:13.576
local government act that the audit and

03:28:13.600 --> 03:28:15.976
risk committee measures its performance

03:28:16.000 --> 03:28:19.000
against the charter and the finding is

03:28:20.319 --> 03:28:22.616
that it is more than adequate. The rest

03:28:22.640 --> 03:28:25.640
of the details are in the report and 

03:28:26.000 --> 03:28:27.736
councelor Gun will have the opportunity

03:28:27.760 --> 03:28:30.760
to do this after he attends his first

03:28:31.120 --> 03:28:33.656
meeting  and at the end of the at the

03:28:33.680 --> 03:28:36.455
end of the year too. Much to look

03:28:36.479 --> 03:28:38.136
forward to. The rest's in the report.

03:28:38.160 --> 03:28:39.576
Mayor

03:28:39.600 --> 03:28:41.096
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Councelor

03:28:41.120 --> 03:28:41.736
Gum.

03:28:41.760 --> 03:28:43.736
, yeah, not much to add. Hoping to be

03:28:43.760 --> 03:28:46.056
also more than adequate next year as

03:28:46.080 --> 03:28:49.080
well on the ordinary risk committee.

03:28:51.040 --> 03:28:52.536
Thank you, Councelor Gun. Are there any

03:28:52.560 --> 03:28:54.856
other speakers to the motion? Given that

03:28:54.880 --> 03:28:57.096
there are no other speakers, I now put

03:28:57.120 --> 03:28:58.616
the motion. Please put your hands in the

03:28:58.640 --> 03:29:01.640
air. The unanimously carried.

03:29:06.080 --> 03:29:08.375
Item 10.8, 8 amendment to council

03:29:08.399 --> 03:29:09.736
appointments environment and

03:29:09.760 --> 03:29:12.136
sustainability advisory committee. Could

03:29:12.160 --> 03:29:14.936
I have a counselor move the item?

03:29:14.960 --> 03:29:15.896
I'll move me.

03:29:15.920 --> 03:29:18.856
Thank you councelor Martin and seconder.

03:29:18.880 --> 03:29:19.896
Happy to second me.

03:29:19.920 --> 03:29:21.335
Thank you councelor Stennet. Councelor

03:29:21.359 --> 03:29:23.255
Martin.

03:29:23.279 --> 03:29:25.016
Um nothing to say it's in the report

03:29:25.040 --> 03:29:27.576
there but we're just um changing the

03:29:27.600 --> 03:29:30.600
chair to councelor Simpson there and

03:29:31.120 --> 03:29:34.120
councelor Stennet as the deputy for the

03:29:34.800 --> 03:29:37.415
for the committee. Thank you.

03:29:37.439 --> 03:29:38.856
Thank you, Council Martin. Councelor

03:29:38.880 --> 03:29:39.976
Stennet.

03:29:40.000 --> 03:29:41.976
, thank you, Mayor. I think the report

03:29:42.000 --> 03:29:44.136
is comprehensive enough and explains

03:29:44.160 --> 03:29:45.576
everything, so I won't say anything

03:29:45.600 --> 03:29:47.335
further. Thank you, Mayor.

03:29:47.359 --> 03:29:48.776
Thank you, Council Sten. Are there any

03:29:48.800 --> 03:29:51.800
other speakers to the motion?

03:29:51.840 --> 03:29:53.255
Given that there are no other speakers,

03:29:53.279 --> 03:29:54.856
I'll put the motion. Please put your

03:29:54.880 --> 03:29:57.335
hands in the air if you're in favor. And

03:29:57.359 --> 03:30:00.359
it's carried unanimously.

03:30:02.319 --> 03:30:04.616
Item 10.9, records of records of

03:30:04.640 --> 03:30:07.335
informal meetings of counselors. Could I

03:30:07.359 --> 03:30:09.976
have a counselor move the item?

03:30:10.000 --> 03:30:10.696
Move.

03:30:10.720 --> 03:30:11.656
Is there a seconder?

03:30:11.680 --> 03:30:12.616
Second.

03:30:12.640 --> 03:30:15.415
Thank you. Um, would you like to speak

03:30:15.439 --> 03:30:17.576
to the motion, Cson?

03:30:17.600 --> 03:30:18.536
Oh, sorry, councelor Gun.

03:30:18.560 --> 03:30:19.976
It was me and I realized I shouldn't

03:30:20.000 --> 03:30:21.816
have buzzed in, but no, I'm happy to.

03:30:21.840 --> 03:30:23.335
It's all in the report there.

03:30:23.359 --> 03:30:24.696
Thank you, Councelor Weller.

03:30:24.720 --> 03:30:25.736
Nothing further, Mayor.

03:30:25.760 --> 03:30:27.736
I now put the motion. Please keep your

03:30:27.760 --> 03:30:30.215
hands in the air.

03:30:30.239 --> 03:30:33.239
and it's carried unanimously.

03:30:35.279 --> 03:30:37.976
Item 11.1, councelor delegate and

03:30:38.000 --> 03:30:40.455
conference seminar reports, reports by

03:30:40.479 --> 03:30:42.616
delegates and reports on conferences,

03:30:42.640 --> 03:30:44.616
seminars, attendance. I remind

03:30:44.640 --> 03:30:46.215
councilors to submit your written

03:30:46.239 --> 03:30:48.136
reports and please keep your verbal

03:30:48.160 --> 03:30:50.375
reports brief. I will commence with

03:30:50.399 --> 03:30:52.375
deputy Mayor councelor Simpson.

03:30:52.399 --> 03:30:55.335
Thank you, Mayor.  on the 28th of 

03:30:55.359 --> 03:30:57.576
November, yourself and I attended the

03:30:57.600 --> 03:31:00.455
VGA MERL leadership program and again we

03:31:00.479 --> 03:31:02.295
hung out together on the 4th and 5th of

03:31:02.319 --> 03:31:04.616
December at the MAV mandatory Mayor's

03:31:04.640 --> 03:31:07.335
training program 2025. Um I personally

03:31:07.359 --> 03:31:10.295
got a lot out of um the MAV session um

03:31:10.319 --> 03:31:13.319
and  be interested what you thought.

03:31:13.359 --> 03:31:15.896
Mayor

03:31:15.920 --> 03:31:18.136
Councelor Davenport,

03:31:18.160 --> 03:31:19.576
no report.

03:31:19.600 --> 03:31:20.375
Councelor Gun,

03:31:20.399 --> 03:31:21.415
no report. Mayor.

03:31:21.439 --> 03:31:22.455
Councelor Griffith.

03:31:22.479 --> 03:31:24.375
I've provided a written report. Mayor,

03:31:24.399 --> 03:31:26.455
thank you. Councelor Griffith. Councelor

03:31:26.479 --> 03:31:27.096
Weller.

03:31:27.120 --> 03:31:28.375
Nothing to report. Mayor

03:31:28.399 --> 03:31:29.255
Councelor Allen.

03:31:29.279 --> 03:31:30.936
Yeah. Nothing to report either. Madam

03:31:30.960 --> 03:31:31.176
Council

03:31:31.200 --> 03:31:31.576
Martin,

03:31:31.600 --> 03:31:32.616
no report, Mayor.

03:31:32.640 --> 03:31:33.415
Council cuts,

03:31:33.439 --> 03:31:34.455
no report, Mayor.

03:31:34.479 --> 03:31:35.415
Councelor Stennet,

03:31:35.439 --> 03:31:36.455
no report, Mayor.

03:31:36.479 --> 03:31:36.936
Council,

03:31:36.960 --> 03:31:38.136
no report.

03:31:38.160 --> 03:31:40.776
And um as Deputy Mayor Councelor Simpson

03:31:40.800 --> 03:31:43.800
mentioned, I also attended the VGA 

03:31:43.920 --> 03:31:46.056
training and the MAV training on those

03:31:46.080 --> 03:31:49.080
dates that he provided. and I very much

03:31:49.600 --> 03:31:52.600
enjoyed the MAV training in particular

03:31:52.800 --> 03:31:55.096
how to chair a meeting.

03:31:55.120 --> 03:31:58.120
Um I now I now seek um someone to move

03:32:00.080 --> 03:32:01.176
these reports.

03:32:01.200 --> 03:32:01.816
Happy to move.

03:32:01.840 --> 03:32:03.016
Thank you councelor.

03:32:03.040 --> 03:32:03.415
Second.

03:32:03.439 --> 03:32:05.415
Thank you councelor cuts. I now put the

03:32:05.439 --> 03:32:07.736
motion

03:32:07.760 --> 03:32:10.760
unanimous. It's carried.

03:32:12.560 --> 03:32:14.215
There are no confidential reports this

03:32:14.239 --> 03:32:16.696
evening. So we'll now move to item 13,

03:32:16.720 --> 03:32:18.696
the close of the meeting. This is our

03:32:18.720 --> 03:32:20.375
last council meeting for the year. And

03:32:20.399 --> 03:32:22.136
on behalf of Whitehorse Council, I

03:32:22.160 --> 03:32:24.616
would like to wish you all a happy and

03:32:24.640 --> 03:32:27.640
safe Christmas for the festive season.

03:32:28.319 --> 03:32:30.295
Please join us at Whitehorse carols on

03:32:30.319 --> 03:32:32.776
Saturday the 13th of December from 5:30

03:32:32.800 --> 03:32:34.776
p.m. We will and have a mag we will have

03:32:34.800 --> 03:32:37.335
a magical summer lineup with music,

03:32:37.359 --> 03:32:39.415
food, and festive cheer. The next

03:32:39.439 --> 03:32:41.176
ordinary meeting of council will be held

03:32:41.200 --> 03:32:44.200
on the 2nd of February, 2026. I now

03:32:44.239 --> 03:32:47.239
close the meeting at 10:40 and 30

03:32:47.279 --> 03:32:49.976
seconds. Good evening and enjoy the rest

03:32:50.000 --> 03:32:51.736
of your evening and good night. Thank

03:32:51.760 --> 03:32:54.760
you.