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has been the making of our city. Grant

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that our own generation may build

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worthily on the foundations that we have

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laid. Direct our minds that all we plan

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and determine is for the well-being of

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our city. Amen.

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Martin

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Good evening and welcome to our single

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member in the gallery tonight and those

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who are watching. Thank you.

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Councelor Prue Cutts. Good evening everyone

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and welcome.

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Councelor Ben Stennett. Good evening

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everyone. Welcome.

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And councelor Blair Barker.

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Steven White, director of

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infrastructure. Siobhan Sullivan,

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executive manager transformation, Vivienne

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Felano, the manager of governance, and

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members of the governance and IT team.

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Apologies. I will note any apologies

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and seek a motion to accept any leave of

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absence requests. Councelor Peter Allan

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will be an apology this evening as per

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his leave of absence granted on the 24th

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of November 2025 council meeting. Are

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there any other further apologies this

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evening?

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Can I have a council and move?

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Happy to move.  Mayor

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and second.

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Second.

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Thank you. I'll now put the motion. All

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those in favor

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carried unanimously.

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I declare

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are there any item three disclosures of

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interest? Are there any disclosures of

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interest? If so, I will require councils

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and office to disclose that interest and

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the nature of that interest.

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Seeing as there are no disclosures of

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interest, we will move on to the next

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item.

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Item four, confirmation of minutes. We

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move to confirm the to confirm the

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minutes. Council is seeking a move

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council is seeking I'm seeking a mover

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to confirm the minutes for the council

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meeting held on the 8th of December

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2025. Can I have a counselor to move and

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to second?

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Happy to move.

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Thank you councelor Weller.

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Happy to second.  Mayor

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thank you Deputy  Mayor Simpson.

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Does the mover wish to speak?

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The seconder.

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No Mayor. Any other counselors?

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I now put the motion. All those in

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favor?

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I declare the motion carried. Item five.

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Councilors, are there any items of

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urgent business this evening?

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As there are no matters of urgent

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business, we will move to the next item.

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Item six, request to speak. Request to

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speak enables members of the community

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to speak directly to council at a

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council meeting. Each speaker is granted

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up to three minutes to present their

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subject matter. A bell will alert you

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when there are 30 seconds remaining.

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Please ensure your speech is respectful,

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relevant, and expressed in a manner that

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upholds courtesy. Tonight we have one

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speaker. Our speaker tonight is an 

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Majani of Vermont. I now invite an to

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the lecturn.

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Good evening. Soft plastic waste is a

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huge problem. We have to find a

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sustainable way to redirect it from

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landfill. Fortunately, there is a

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solution. APR Recycling is a

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Melbourne-based company using chemical

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recycling to break down plastics at the

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molecular level through processes such

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as pyrolysis, converting them into

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simpler chemical compounds as such as

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synthetic oil, which can be reintroduced

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into the manufacturing process to

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produce new highquality plastics

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identical to those made from virgin

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materials. Unlike mechanical recycling

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which often results in downgrade and

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downcycled products with limited

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applications, chemical recycling

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preserves the integrity of the raw

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material, enabling them to be used

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repeatedly without degradation of

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quality. This approach is advantageous

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for processing contaminated or mixed

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plastic waste which can be challenging

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to recycle mechanically due to the need

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for extensive cleaning and sorting. One

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ton of soft plastic is converted to 800

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kg of synthetic oil, an 80% conversion

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rate. Products can be made from it based

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on need with no stockpiling as with 

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red cycle. Of the balanced 20%, 15 to 70% is

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recovered as a non-condensible vapor

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that is used to run their plant and 3 to

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5% is carbon powder char that goes into

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bricks or ashfelt. So it is 100%

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circular system. The benefits are no

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processed waste. It uses a wide variety

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of soft plastics, less energy used than

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for the creation of virgin plastics, no

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transportation costs they collect from

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council, a reduction in council's

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landfill fees and trucking costs as

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waste is diverted from landfill. APR

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currently process 2,000 tons of soft

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plastic annually and now have enhanced

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capacity. The costs are a minimum of two

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bins per week at $35 per bin per service

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with a maximum fixed rate of $250 per

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service regardless of the number of

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bins.

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The costs are charged based on the

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number of bins flipped. So if there are

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five bins on site and only three are

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full, the fee for three will be charged.

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Several councils are already

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participating. Kingston, Monash,

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Whittlesea, Dandenong, Yarra and others

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with discussions on with many more. The

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alternative is to send it to landfill

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where it will persist for hundreds of

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years breaking down and forever

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contaminating the soil as microplastics

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or the current current collection trial

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at limited woolworths and coles stores

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which is very opaque. The bulk of it is

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shredded and put into asphalt for new

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roads. This has limited applications.

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Besides, not all soft plastic is food

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packaging. Industrial, postal,

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construction and many other sources of

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waste is not captured. If White Horse is

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serious about sustainability, I urge all

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counselors.

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Thank you, Anne.

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Thank you.

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We have no public questions this

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evening. As there are no public

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questions, we will move to the next

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item. Item eight, petitions. We have no

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petitions this evening. As there are no

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petitions, we will move to the next

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item. Item nine, notice of motions. We

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have two notice of motion tonight.

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Can I have a counselor of the first item

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is 9.1 soft plastic recycling.

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Happy to move,  Mayor.

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Thank you, councelor Simpson. Is there a

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second?

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Happy to second.

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Thank you, councelor Cutts

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 could you please open counselor?

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thank you  Mayor and thank you an

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for your comments as well and obviously

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I'm continuing on from some of the

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comments you've made tonight and as

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you've alluded to soft plastics are is a

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big environmental hazard within our

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city as they do go to currently go to

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landfill and they break down leading to

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microplastics entering our ecosystems

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and food chains. It's also an economic

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burden on the city as that waste

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contributes to the to waste to

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landfill which is an everinccreasing

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cost to to us and to residents. And

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we'll be talking a little bit more about

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that later this evening.

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When it comes to how plastics are

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red cycled, I'm sure councilors here may

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remember the red cycle program, but you

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may also recall why it collapsed. And

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the reason it collapsed was because

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there simply wasn't enough demand for

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the end product. Red Cycle used an

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approach and and you you spoke

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about this tonight where the plastic is

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basically ground up and turned into

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other physical products such as

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filling potholes or making plastic

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benches. Now obviously that that puts a

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limit on the output versus the input.

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And so of course what happened with Red

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Cycle was  they had significant

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amounts of stockpiling and one

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warehouse actually caught fire in 

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June of 2022 which caused obviously

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significant community and environmental

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hazardous outcomes and after that

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recycling of soft plastic ceased.

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However, they have started again in some

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form in a private capacity with a

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facility in Tari in New South Wales and

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that facility is partnering with some

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councils and Wworths to collect the

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material and ship it to their facility.

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However, the number of collection points

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that Woolworth offers is limited, meaning

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that it is not easily accessible for all

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residents. And I also believe there's an

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economic facility challenge, sorry, to

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such a facility, as is estimated that

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the cost of using the recycled 

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product in manufacturing is between 10

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to 30% higher than products made

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completely from virgin plastics. So

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again, that puts a challenge into what

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happens to the end product. as Anne

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mentioned, ME Council amongst others 

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is offering a limited soft plastics

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recycling service at their waste center

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down there in Clayton utilizing APR

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Chem Cycle who Anne mentioned in her

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comments as well and who dispose of the

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waste by using chemical processing to

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convert it back into other other

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material predominantly petroleum and and

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as Anne mentioned and I agree with

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her that this avoids the stockpiling

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issue because petroleum isn't always in

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demand product. So you're not going to

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have the potential problems that Red

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Cycle and maybe other facilities will

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have or may have.

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Now you may be asking with the with

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what's going on with Woolworths and this

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other facility, why does why do council

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need to get involved? And I believe it's

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because it's one of the three Rs,

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rubbish. We are in the rubbish

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collection business.

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And at the moment, residents can put any

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recyclable material into their yellow

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bin except soft plastics. they can go to

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the waste and recycling center and they

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can dispose of their waste except soft

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plastics and so we are discriminating

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against residents in that way. Um so we

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need to think about how we manage the

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volume of waste or soft plastic waste

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that our city produces. So this

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suggestion for this trial came to me

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via council's environment and

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sustainability advisory committee of

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which I'm the chair this year and they

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are very supportive of white horse

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running a trial scheme that collects

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soft plastics possibly at the waste and

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recycling center but as the motion says

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um this report will be seeking to look

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at options so we can better understand

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the processes costs and community

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utilization of such a service and

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councilors once we have a better

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understanding of of these matters we

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could then perhaps look look at

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expanding collection of soft plastics 

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which will help make our city a

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healthier and cleaner place. Um I for

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one would like to see being able to put

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soft plastics for example into my yellow

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bin and and having that disposed

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of in an environmentally responsible

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way. So councilors um that's what this

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report is seeking to look at and I urge

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you to please support the motion.

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May

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I have a question? Council Barker,

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a question to the chief executive may um

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Mr. McMillan,

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I have very clear recollection that the

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topic of soft plastics and the

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challenges faced in Victoria have been

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raised on at least two occasions in our

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committee room and has been thoroughly

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answered by your professional staff.

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Could you confirm that that's the case,

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please?

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Tr there's certainly been discussion. I

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might ask Steven White just to confirm

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our officer response in the past.

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Yeah. No, but just to reaffirm that we

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had actually answered the specifics

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around soft plastics just to be clear.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. White.

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Um through you,  Mayor. Um we have had

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discussions around the different um

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methods of disposal and also the draft

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um curbside standards that the state has

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been proposing and the way that it plans

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on although the draft service standards

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are planning on dealing with soft

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plastics.

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Councelor cuts.

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Thank you  Mayor. This notice of motion

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actually does matter because it responds

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directly to what our community is asking

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for. Since the collapse of the National

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Soft Plastics Recycling Scheme on the

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9th of November 2022, many residents

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have told us that they feel stuck. They

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want to do the right thing, but they

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don't always have clear, trusted options

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available locally.

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It's important though to acknowledge

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that some options are beginning to

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emerge. Worth has recently restarted

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soft plastics recycling while Kohl's and

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Aldi have not. So yes, there are limited

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opportunities available in White Horse,

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but they're not consistent across

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retailers and they rely heavily on

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individual shopping habits. This report

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is about exploring what role council

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could play alongside those options

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rather than replacing them. As

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councilors, we hear regularly about

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waste reduction, recycling, and

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sustainability. What this report does is

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take those concerns and turn them into

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practical next steps so that we can

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properly assess them. I want to also

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give you some context on this as well.

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Until very recently, I was a member of

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the environment sustainability reference

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committee at council, a role I've held

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for the past 5 years since it started

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and I was chair of the committee last

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year. And at the last couple of meetings

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I chaired before I stepped down, the

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issue of soft plastics recycling came up

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strongly. Community members headed by an

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Majani who spoke before raised concerns,

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ask questions, and we're keen to see

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whether council could explore a local

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solution. This report today is a direct

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response to that discussion. and it

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reflects our commitment to listening to

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our advisory groups, valuing community

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input and bringing those issues back to

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this chamber in a transparent way.

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Importantly, this is not a decision to

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roll out a service today. It is a

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request for information.

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I also see this as an opportunity for

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White Horse to show leadership in a

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measured and responsible way. Should a

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trial approach be supported? This lets

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us test what works, understand

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participation levels, and ensures any

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service is credible and environmentally

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sound. At its heart, this is about

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supporting residents who want to reduce

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waste, rebuilding trust in recycling

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systems, and making sure council

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decisions are grounded in both community

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expectation and operational reality. I

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encourage councils to support this

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report so we can properly explore the

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options and keep this work moving

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forward. Thank you  Mayor.

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Thank you councelor K. Are there any

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other further speakers?

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Coun council bucker.

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Thanks  Mayor. Um councilors I find this

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disappointing and concerning. It

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represents the worst sort of

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performative politics that reeks of the

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Kathn Kim look at me. Don't support

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this. that will diminish us all. But let

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me for a moment, may unpack that rather

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direct assessment. We have been briefed

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on this. The public servants have

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answered this question on more than one

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occasion. We know the answer. Why are we

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asking these questions? Again, I'll put

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it to you. It's just pure theatrics.

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It's nothing more than a performance.

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The progress and the challenges are well

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known. They have public knowledge for

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anyone that reads the age, the fin

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review, the guardian, the odds, the soft

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plastic task force with all the major

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supermarkets of the government and I

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think it's at diet the soft plastics

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task force. We know what the challenge

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is and it's to minimize the use of

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plastics. We've spoken about this on

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adnauseium. We hear about it from the

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packaging industry. We hear about it

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from the supermarkets. It's in the

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newspaper. I'm not sure what other

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people here are reading. We need to

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build the industrial capacity. Many of

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people you hear use chat GBT, Google

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Gemini. You can get the answer to this

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in micros secondsonds. It's about an

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industrial capacity question. The

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supermarkets have rightly taken

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ownership because they profit on it. Why

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would we want to insert ourselves into

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that? It's ridiculous and it's

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potentially expensive and frankly I'd

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rather put money into playgrounds or

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back into the rate payers pocket

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because this is about minimizing the use

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of plastic and developing the industrial

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capacity. There are 3.4 4 million tons

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of soft plastics used a year. 2,000 tons

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capacity. Well,

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take that to the pool room.

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This is corrosive to a high performance

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culture between the elected and the

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professional public servants. It's like

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making soldiers wash clean trucks. You

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might have the power to do it, but

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they'll resent you for it. And before

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the barbs get thrown at me that I'm one

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of these counselors that gets led by the

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nose by the public servants, let the

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record know that I'm the only counselor

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in this place that's ever had a a code

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of conduct against them for providing

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public servants with frank and fearless

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advice.

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We might have the power to jerk people

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around, but I'm not here to do that. I'm

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here to build a high performance culture

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that improves people's lives.

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Councilors, the standard you walk past

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is the standard that you accept.

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If the standard that we accept is this

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sort of performative nonsense, we're in

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strife. Toss this to the curb where it

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belongs.

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Thank you, councelor Barker. May I

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please remind you to keep your comments

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relevant and respectful.

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Sorry, could you not relevant there?

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Just in terms of the language being used

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and I'm just saying right now just to

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keep them your comments respectful.

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Thank you. Councelor

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Martin.

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Thank you,  Mayor. Um, so thank you,

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councelor Simpson, councelor Cutson, and

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councelor Barka. So, it's good to have a

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great debate in the chamber, but um,

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look, I don't need to say much more as a

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as the public speaker and has done a

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really good summary um, and highlighted

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a solution known to council. So,

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councilors, I will support this motion

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as the premise is more than just

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increasing the recycling of soft plastic

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plastics, but also about the community

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being more involved in recycling and the

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circular economy. It's about giving

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community options that ultimately reduce

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waste going to landfill, improving

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environmental outcomes, and also saving

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money for cancel and rate payers. So

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last year in my campaign to residents,

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there was a key theme I supported and I

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and this was environmental outcomes and

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recycling. So it was a real key theme

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from the community last year and I think

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the community where possible do the

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right thing. But this is the point I

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want to make the recycling of we we need

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to make it possible. If recycling is

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convenient, easy, by and large, the

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majority of people will do the right

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thing. So, as we know, the majority of

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recycle goes into the yellow bin and of

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course food or organics and food in the

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Fogo bin. And it's consistently

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changing. So, maybe it wasn't right a

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year ago, but things change and

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technology change and new solutions come

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along. Mhm.

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So there's but I I think there's more

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items that consumers bring home whether

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they be soft plastics, waste from

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packages association with groceries and

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items associated with buying everyday

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electrical appliances and I agree with

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councelor Barker part of the solution

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we've got to reduce it like we and I

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think and working in the manu

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manufacturing industries there's a lot

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of pressure on manufacturers to do this

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and it is happening but people are

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getting frustrated with the pace. So,

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um,

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yeah. So, as an example, if you're a

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resident in Boxill and you've got a

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broken toaster, well, like where do you

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take it? You've got to drive all the way

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down to um the waste center in in Burma

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to drop it off. So, we're not making it

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easy. So, this is all about um just

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giving making it easy for residents um

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drawing a line because I think people

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are just um getting frustrated with

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the lack of motion and lack of options

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and they just want they want to do the

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right thing. So, um that's about all

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I've got to say, but I do support this

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motion. Thank you,  Mayor.

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Thank you, Council Martin. Are there any

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other further speakers to the motion?

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Yes,  Mayor.

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Councelor Weller.

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Thank you,  Mayor. The disposal of soft

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plastics remains one of the most

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persistent waste management challenges.

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While it is encouraging to see

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supermarkets reinstating soft plastics

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recycling and industry supported by the

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federal and state governments, investing

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in technologies that divert hard to

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recycle plastics from landfill. These

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developments do not remove the need for

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us to consider our own role. Council has

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core responsibilities in waste and

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resource recovery and it is entirely

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appropriate that we explore what

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contribution we can make. Requesting a

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report on the feasibility of a trial

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soft plastics recycling system is a

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practical and responsible next step. At

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present, we lack a clear understanding

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of the options, costs, risks, and

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opportunities in this rapidly evolving

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space. A structured report provides that

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clarity. It allows us to map the sector,

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identify credible partners, and assess

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whether a trial is feasible,

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sustainable, and aligned with our

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strategic objectives. It ensures our

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decisions are based on evidence rather

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than assumptions.

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A report helps us understand how a trial

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would operate in practice. It can

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examine potential collection points,

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contamination risks, transport

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logistics, and the staff in all

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contractor support required. It can

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outline how we would communicate with

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residents and how success would be

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measured. This level of due diligence

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builds community trust. Seeking this

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report is also good governance. It

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allows us to test alignment with our

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waste reduction strategies, our climate

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commitments, and our long-term resource

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recovery plans. Importantly, a

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well-developed report positions us to

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pursue external funding. Governments are

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increasingly supporting circular economy

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initiatives, and with a strong evidence

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base, we can demonstrate readiness and

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strengthen advocacy. Without that

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groundwork, we risk missing

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opportunities that other councils will

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be quick to seize. Most importantly,

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requesting this report signals to our

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community that we take their concerns

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seriously and are committed to exploring

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solutions thoughtfully rather than

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rushing into initiatives that may not

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develop the outcomes they expect.

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Finally, this report is not the final

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decision. It equips us with the

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information we need to determine whether

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a trial soft plastics recycling service

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is right for our community and if so,

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how to deliver it effectively. For these

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reasons, I am pleased to support this

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motion.

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Thank you, councelor Weller. Are there

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any further speakers for the motion?

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Councelor Stennet.

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Thanks,  Mayor. I'm very pleased to

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support this motion requesting this

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report. I'd like to acknowledge that

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Warworth already does provide soft

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plastic plastic collections at seven

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locations across White Horse and and

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great to see many residents use using

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those services. That program plays an

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important role and reflects a strong

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community concern about plastic waste.

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But at the same time, it's important it

00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:39.655
is important to recognize the wide issue

00:23:39.679 --> 00:23:41.576
of plastic packaging generated through

00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:43.416
supermarket and retail supply chains. As

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.816
council has said

00:23:45.840 --> 00:23:48.840
that requires action from manufacturers,

00:23:49.520 --> 00:23:51.256
retailers and higher levels of

00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:54.280
government and beyond our control. Um,

00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.456
local councils still have a

00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.456
responsibility to respond to the waste

00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:00.856
challenges our community encounters

00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.176
every day.

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.936
As a recently elected member of the

00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.736
council's environment and sustainability

00:24:07.760 --> 00:24:09.976
community along with councelor Simpson,

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.576
I'd like to acknowledge that there there

00:24:11.600 --> 00:24:13.255
is a strong expectation from our

00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.576
residents for practical locally

00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:17.895
accessible recycling solutions. There

00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:20.216
are clear benefits to council providing

00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.535
collection points. Council facilities

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.216
such as the White Horse Recycling Waste

00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.456
Center are trusted and they allow us to

00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:27.976
improve the equity of access while

00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.976
monitoring contamination cost and end

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000
markets. Put simply, the standard you

00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.895
walk past is is the standard you accept.

00:24:35.919 --> 00:24:38.216
If we know soft plastics are a

00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.655
persistent waste issue for our

00:24:39.679 --> 00:24:41.496
community, then seeking clear options

00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:43.816
for council might respond is the

00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:45.655
responsible course of action.

00:24:45.679 --> 00:24:47.655
Importantly, this motion doesn't commit

00:24:47.679 --> 00:24:50.216
us to establishing the service today. It

00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.616
simply seeks a report on options, cost,

00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.255
and potential collection points enabling

00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.015
an informed and evidence-based

00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.015
collection. For those reasons, I support

00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.096
the motion. Thank you.

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Thank you, Councelor Stennet. Are there

00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.456
any further speakers to the motion?

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:05.416
Yes,  Mayor.

00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.616
Um, councelor Davenport.

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.456
Well, listen to the debate,  Mayor, and

00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:10.135
what I've heard is that a number of

00:25:10.159 --> 00:25:12.535
members of the community and as

00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:13.976
councilors around are generally

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.000
supportive of um establishment of a of a

00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.576
soft plastics recycling service. And

00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:21.015
what I've learned over the time I've

00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.976
been on council is that it is very very

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.000
hard very hard to look at introducing a

00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:29.816
service as a trial because once you put

00:25:29.840 --> 00:25:32.696
it in, it's really hard to take out and

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and so for the report to make something

00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.856
useful that I could then make a decision

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.696
on, it's got to be more than just a

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.720
trial, an establishment of a trial. It's

00:25:43.840 --> 00:25:46.296
got to be what would it look like if we

00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:48.936
decided to introduce

00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.655
a soft plastics recycling service rather

00:25:51.679 --> 00:25:54.135
than a threemon trial, six month trial,

00:25:54.159 --> 00:25:55.816
one-year trial. I'm not sure how long

00:25:55.840 --> 00:25:57.895
that trial would be. That's the reason

00:25:57.919 --> 00:25:59.976
why I'm not supporting the the motion

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.000
tonight because of the nature of a trial

00:26:03.600 --> 00:26:05.176
because members of the community have

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.200
come to me and I've um and I and have

00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.616
said that they want to have the ability

00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.640
to be able to recycle soft plastics.

00:26:13.679 --> 00:26:16.216
They want to have that ability.

00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.240
And I disappointed when

00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:21.736
Woolworths and Coohl's did it and then

00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:23.096
stopped and then where does all the

00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:25.895
plastics go now? I know that since since

00:26:25.919 --> 00:26:27.816
that point in time a lot of plastic bags

00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:30.135
were taken out of the system from

00:26:30.159 --> 00:26:32.696
supermarket chains but we still have a

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.696
lot of soft plastics there.

00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.176
My view council officers are going to go

00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.576
and do a report. I shouldn't be

00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:42.600
reporting on a 12week trial or a 24-we

00:26:43.840 --> 00:26:46.456
trial or a one-year trial. It should be

00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.376
what would it look like if we decided to

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.456
introduce a service? What would the cost

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.255
be you know 3 5 years? How does it

00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.279
interface with our our positive with

00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.255
the state government policies that we

00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.496
have? It's that longer term thinking

00:27:01.520 --> 00:27:04.296
that the report would need to do, not

00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:06.775
just implementing a trial and maybe we

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.936
have a couple of collection points

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.616
around the place. What are the more

00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.456
wholesale thinking that we would need to

00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.255
do as a council to make it work? These

00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:16.856
are the reasons that I don't support

00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.296
this tonight. Now, if someone else

00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:20.056
wanted to move an amendment, now I've

00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:22.696
made my speech tonight, I can't to get

00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.856
rid of the word trial and just have it

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.655
as soft plastics. Well, then perhaps I'd

00:27:27.679 --> 00:27:29.496
support it. The way it's written

00:27:29.520 --> 00:27:32.520
tonight, having as a trial, I'd say to

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.255
to counselors here tonight, don't tell

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.895
the the coun the the community that it's

00:27:37.919 --> 00:27:40.919
a it's a 3 month, six month trial um and

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.856
seeking a report and offers a time on

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.655
it. look at the longer term. Look at the

00:27:47.679 --> 00:27:50.679
longer term. Um, and let's bring

00:27:51.120 --> 00:27:53.015
meaningful change and not just on a

00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.496
trial process. Vote against it. If

00:27:55.520 --> 00:27:57.255
someone wants to move an amendment, I'd

00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.056
back it, but um, the way it is written

00:28:00.080 --> 00:28:02.296
at the moment, can't support it. Thank

00:28:02.320 --> 00:28:02.936
you,  Mayor.

00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.960
 Mayor, I'd like to move an amendment.

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.736
 Mayor, I'd like to make an amendment.

00:28:09.760 --> 00:28:11.096
Thank you, Cer Griffith.

00:28:11.120 --> 00:28:13.816
Yeah. Well, the amendment is what was

00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:16.840
just suggested. Remove the word trial.

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.240
Grammatically,

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.736
I'll refer to governance for the

00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:36.760
grammar, but you get the point.

00:28:38.320 --> 00:28:40.456
Um, as the mover of the motion, are you

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.375
happy with that? Councelor,

00:28:42.399 --> 00:28:44.135
I'd like to hear a debate on this, so I

00:28:44.159 --> 00:28:47.159
will say no. May. Okay. Councelor Cuts,

00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:51.320
want I would support this, but

00:28:52.399 --> 00:28:54.696
thank you. Would anyone like to speak to

00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.496
the amendment?

00:28:55.520 --> 00:28:56.936
He needs a second.

00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.015
I think a second is Oh,

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.336
someone second it.

00:29:01.360 --> 00:29:02.775
I don't think I've spoken yet. I'm happy

00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.456
to second

00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.480
of a debate. Council Griffith.

00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.480
Thanks,  Mayor. Well, I I'm not sure if I

00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:14.840
will support this myself. Um, I'm happy

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.200
to catalyze what what was suggested. Um,

00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.416
I'm normally concerned about notices of

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.336
motion and calling for reports in terms

00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:25.496
of the expense to council and officer

00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:27.176
time, but I think this is one they can

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.736
put together really quickly as a lot of

00:29:29.760 --> 00:29:32.056
the information is already known to

00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:35.080
council officers on this topic. So the

00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.736
cost is not a concern to me. Like

00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:39.655
councelor Davenport, I think it would be

00:29:39.679 --> 00:29:41.655
good to get a bit more information in

00:29:41.679 --> 00:29:43.255
the report. I know the officers listen

00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.279
to the debate very very closely. Um we

00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.535
heard that a lot of other councils have

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.416
introduced um soft plastic recycling. It

00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:52.936
would be good if the report could touch

00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.960
on the performance of those and also

00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.856
if this were to be adopted in the

00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.816
future, evaluate how this one goes to

00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:03.736
see whether it's worth maintaining or

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:06.760
not. Um when I see the White Horse

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.936
Recycling and Waste Center up there, I

00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.255
think I've visited there maybe twice in

00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.135
my life and I visited Walworth a lot

00:30:14.159 --> 00:30:16.216
more frequently. So I find it very

00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.856
chAllanging to understand why council

00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.015
needs to do this when Woolworths there's

00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.096
more Woolworths in White Horse and

00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:26.120
there's one recycling center. Um so I'm

00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:28.775
tempted

00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.096
not to support it on the basis that it's

00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:33.816
much easier to to go with the system

00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:36.056
that's already in place and much more

00:30:36.080 --> 00:30:39.015
accessible to most most people.

00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:40.296
Thanks  Mayor.

00:30:40.320 --> 00:30:41.736
Thank you councelor Griffith. Councelor

00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:42.456
G.

00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.976
Thank you  Mayor. Thank you all for

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.456
speaking so far. Um, healthy debate is

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.775
welcome. I remember when we discussed

00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.535
the four bins proposal. I think it was

00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.056
our last meeting there just before our

00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:55.080
break. , I spoke of the issue of soft

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.976
plastics recycling as being a problem in

00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.216
that four bins proposal. And without a

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.775
solution to that, , we have a capacity

00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.799
to reduce our , our output to landfill

00:31:06.159 --> 00:31:08.456
by having a a new scheme that can deal

00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.696
with that soft plastics. it's part of

00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.535
an education piece that councelor Barker

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.535
spoke of on the night as well. I think

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.096
an education piece regarding this and if

00:31:17.120 --> 00:31:19.976
if it is a longerterm program as is

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.535
suggested in this amendment then that is

00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.456
worth considering.

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.895
I do want to speak to a few other points

00:31:25.919 --> 00:31:28.535
that have come up so far and they

00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.216
being the issue of Woolworths. Well,

00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.576
there's no Woolworths in the Terrar

00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:33.336
Ward. However, is the recycling and

00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:35.015
waste center. it would be very

00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.255
convenient for people in my ward that

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.279
need to get to remove their recycling

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:41.895
as I'm sure it would be for

00:31:41.919 --> 00:31:44.216
neighboring wards as well. but

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.816
however, this process needs to be a

00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:47.976
holistic solution and that's what

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.296
we'll be looking for in by not being a

00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:52.535
trial, a holistic solution to this

00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.495
problem. councelor Barker has spoken

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.176
this evening and previously about

00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.895
industrial capacity and innovation. I

00:31:59.919 --> 00:32:01.255
think this is an innovative move

00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.279
potentially if we can find a means for

00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.559
doing this longer term. And in terms

00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:09.576
of industrial capacity, I'm sure

00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.655
councelor Bark can find industrial

00:32:11.679 --> 00:32:14.296
capacity for petroleum. I'm pretty sure

00:32:14.320 --> 00:32:16.375
he uses that regularly. So if that is

00:32:16.399 --> 00:32:19.399
what the APR recycling program produces

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.816
as 80% of the content of their output,

00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:24.135
then that is very welcome and it's

00:32:24.159 --> 00:32:26.696
could be very highly utilized. I'm

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:28.296
very welcome to the further debate on

00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:30.775
this amendment. in general I support

00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.799
a trial or an ongoing program if that is

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.535
what the officers recommend in a report

00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.696
because as it is we're just devel we're

00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.176
just debating a report here tonight. 

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.096
knowledge is always welcome. More

00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:45.176
knowledge gives us more decision-m

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.416
options. so I'd be encouraging of a

00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.816
report either way. If this fails as an

00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:52.056
amendment for an ongoing program than

00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:53.895
for a trial, I think that is what our

00:32:53.919 --> 00:32:56.919
residents would expect of us.

00:32:57.360 --> 00:32:59.255
Thank you councelor Gun. Are there any

00:32:59.279 --> 00:32:59.495
speaking

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.535
against  Mayor?

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.895
Thank you councelor Barker.

00:33:01.919 --> 00:33:04.919
 Mayor this is ridiculous.

00:33:05.679 --> 00:33:07.495
Was a page three of the age the other

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.495
day. The soft plastics task force

00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.135
involves Aldi Coohl's and Safeway. Why

00:33:12.159 --> 00:33:13.895
is Safeway only running it out through

00:33:13.919 --> 00:33:16.135
60 stores at the moment? Because part of

00:33:16.159 --> 00:33:18.775
the DTube task the bigger task force

00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.255
everyone in government loves tasks force

00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.336
is they're still examining these that

00:33:23.360 --> 00:33:26.056
there is limited industrial capacity

00:33:26.080 --> 00:33:27.655
right there is limited industrial

00:33:27.679 --> 00:33:30.679
capacity there are 3.4 million tons some

00:33:32.080 --> 00:33:34.135
little trial done at CSRO and I know

00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:35.416
there's one down there where they

00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.816
turning it into polycllorines and all

00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:40.616
the rest of it. It's really simple and I

00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.616
mean I think the debate's been confused.

00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.375
There was a a mention tonight that you

00:33:44.399 --> 00:33:46.535
know you could there's only limited uses

00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.216
you know the bottle caps they're they're

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.176
HDP high density polyurethanes then

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.416
there's LDPEs which is soft plastics

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.440
they're completely different right so

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.480
yeah and even the hard plastics the HDP

00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.336
there's a limit to how many shopping

00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:03.736
trolley and friendship benches you can

00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:06.216
order relevance

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.615
we're discussing soft plastics

00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.615
it's going to the point of industrial

00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.936
capacity Please keep your comments

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.496
reent.

00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:15.176
It's going exactly to the point of

00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:17.016
industrial capacity and downstream

00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:19.575
capacity that has been mentioned by the

00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.296
Australia Institute in the Finn Review,

00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.456
the Age and even the Guardian. I am

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.615
surprised that no one here reads a

00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.016
newspaper because no one everyone knows

00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:32.040
Excuse me. That's a point of order.

00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:34.536
The point of order is on reading a

00:34:34.560 --> 00:34:36.296
newspaper. Please keep your comments

00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.176
relevant.

00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:41.176
The the point here is that the only

00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:42.696
reason it hasn't been rolled out to

00:34:42.720 --> 00:34:44.375
Coohl's and Audi who want to do it and

00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.055
are on record of doing it and all their

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.536
general managers sustainability said it

00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:50.936
with the plastics task force is that

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.176
there's not the industrial capacity

00:34:53.200 --> 00:34:56.200
there at the moment. It's that simple.

00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:59.240
3.6 million tons 2,000 tons does not go

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.599
into 3.6 million. Right? Doesn't the way

00:35:02.720 --> 00:35:05.720
it works? that has been explained to us

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:09.176
on more than one occasion here.

00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:12.200
Please come on. If this is just about

00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:15.016
parading virtue, it's going to be a long

00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:18.040
2026, friends.

00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.216
Thank you, councelor Barker. Are there

00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:22.055
any further speakers to the amendment?

00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:22.936
Oh, yes,  Mayor.

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:23.976
Council Simpson.

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.416
Thank you,  Mayor. Um, councilors, the

00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.496
reason I opposed the amendment in the

00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:28.696
first place was so we could have this

00:35:28.720 --> 00:35:30.456
debate. Um, and it's not because I'm

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.376
personally opposed to it, but because I

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.136
think it's important that if we're going

00:35:34.160 --> 00:35:36.296
to be changing the scope of the program

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.936
that this report will be seeking or

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.776
so we're seeking report into, we need to

00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.456
understand the decision we're making

00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.815
here tonight because there is a

00:35:43.839 --> 00:35:46.136
difference between a trial and a ongoing

00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:48.376
service. Um the reason I initially

00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.095
suggested a trial was because I

00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.815
wanted to do this in a um economically

00:35:53.839 --> 00:35:55.416
responsible way, a fiscally responsible

00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.055
way to the city by having a service

00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:59.815
that we could time box, we could

00:35:59.839 --> 00:36:01.976
evaluate and if it wasn't working um

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.216
either because residents weren't 

00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:06.376
taking advantage of it or the costs

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.016
outweighed the benefits, we could

00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:10.776
evaluate that and then potentially end

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.536
the scheme. Um that was the purpose

00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:15.560
behind the trial. So councilors, um

00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.335
whether or not you want to support this

00:36:17.359 --> 00:36:19.976
amendment is up to you. I I have no

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.736
problem with us running a soft plastics

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.976
recycling service. Um but I think it was

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.416
warranted that we have the debate given

00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:26.856
that it's changing the scope of what

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.880
this motion is about.

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:32.536
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Are there

00:36:32.560 --> 00:36:35.560
any further speakers to the amendment?

00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.119
Given that, I will now put the amendment

00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:43.416
um to the to the vote. Please keep your

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.335
hands up as I call your names. All those

00:36:45.359 --> 00:36:47.256
in favor.

00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.656
Councelor Weller, Councelor Gun,

00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:51.656
Councelor Davenport, Councelor Simpson,

00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:53.976
Council Langford, Councelor Stennet, and

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.000
Councelor Cutz. All those against.

00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.176
Councelor Griff Griffith, Councelor

00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:02.200
Barker, Councelor Martin.

00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:05.640
The amendment is carried.

00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:15.560
May

00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:18.856
apologies. This now becomes a

00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.335
substantive motion.

00:37:21.359 --> 00:37:22.936
Are there any speakers to the new

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.960
substantive motion?

00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:29.095
No speakers. I now put the motion.

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.016
Any All right. No, you don't have I

00:37:31.040 --> 00:37:32.216
don't think you have a right or reply to

00:37:32.240 --> 00:37:34.376
amendment. No, we know we're back to the

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.400
standard and council buff against. So,

00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:40.216
but the No, the amendment's been

00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:42.376
carried. So, it's No, you don't have a

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.400
right of reply. It's a different

00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.256
governance. You can go to the

00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:52.216
All right. If you'd like to have the

00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:53.496
right of reply, you can. Council

00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:53.896
Simpson.

00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.856
Thank Thank you,  Mayor. Um I do agree

00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.856
with one thing councelor Barker said and

00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.616
that's that this issue of soft plastics

00:38:00.640 --> 00:38:03.176
needs to be tackled at the source.

00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:05.656
Absolutely it should because we at local

00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:07.656
government are bearing the 

00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:09.896
consequences of decisions made above by

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.416
other tiers of government. And it's

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.095
great to see in the last few weeks the

00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:14.856
Australian Local Government Association

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.095
demanding urgent action on this problem

00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.936
as the peak body for local government in

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.696
Australia because it does need to be

00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:22.376
fixed at the source. manufacturers are

00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.216
getting away with making a problem and

00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:26.776
we have to clean up after them. But when

00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.696
it comes to the issue of this has been

00:38:28.720 --> 00:38:30.616
looked at before, well council man, you

00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:33.335
nailed it completely. Things change. And

00:38:33.359 --> 00:38:35.896
what has changed? Well, what's changed

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.456
is that after the success that APR Chem

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.536
Cycle have had thanks to partnerships

00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:42.616
with a neighboring council in this

00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:45.176
area such as MES, um they've got

00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:47.176
increased capacity because they've got

00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:49.256
economic certainty. They know that, you

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:50.296
know, people are going to be taking this

00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:51.656
up. they're going to be making money,

00:38:51.680 --> 00:38:53.736
etc., etc. They are a business after

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.760
all. And so, , one thing that has

00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.256
changed since with this when this issue

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.736
was looked at to now is that additional

00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.760
capacity in a in a, , excuse me, in a

00:39:05.359 --> 00:39:07.016
provider that is capable of taking our

00:39:07.040 --> 00:39:09.176
soft plastic waste. The costs have

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.095
already been outlined by an in comments

00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.776
tonight, um, which of course would need

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.376
to be verified. But finally, councelor

00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.536
Martin, you nailed it as well. We need

00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:18.456
to make things quick and easy. I can put

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.936
a glass jar into my yellow bin, but I

00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.960
can't put my lolly wrapper, right?

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:25.736
Because we are discriminating against

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.536
residents in terms of what we what how

00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:30.616
what and how they can dispose of in

00:39:30.640 --> 00:39:32.696
terms of their waste. The whole purpose

00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:34.376
of this motion is to have a better

00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:35.976
understanding of what would be required

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.616
to offer a more holistic waste recycling

00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:41.640
service across the city. Um, and I

00:39:41.839 --> 00:39:43.496
deliberately kept it vague so that the

00:39:43.520 --> 00:39:45.416
officers could have input into the

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.736
report and then we can evaluate that

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.335
consequently. So, councilors, please

00:39:49.359 --> 00:39:51.176
support this and let's see what comes

00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:54.200
back. Thank you.

00:39:54.720 --> 00:39:56.856
Thank you, Deputy  Mayor Simpson. I now

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.776
put the motion. Please keep your hands

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.616
up so I can call your names. All those

00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:03.640
in favor? Council Weller, Councelor Gun,

00:40:03.839 --> 00:40:05.656
Council Davenport, Councelor Simpson,

00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:08.680
Council Langford, Councelor Stennet,

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.416
Councelor Cuts, and Councelor Martin.

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.296
Those against, Councelor Griffith, and

00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.456
Councelor Barker.

00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.480
I declare the motion carried.

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.656
We now move to item 9.2,

00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:27.176
CCTV

00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:30.200
Libraries. Do we have a mover? yes,

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.496
 Mayor.

00:40:31.520 --> 00:40:33.176
Councelor Davenport. And do we have a

00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:34.055
seconder?

00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:34.856
Second.

00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.880
Councelor Weller. Councelor Davenport.

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.536
Oh, thank you,  Mayor. And um and the

00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:42.616
reason I've moved this notice of motion

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:45.256
tonight is because of predominantly of

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.280
part number four, which is um seeking a

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:50.616
way to get some funding

00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:52.616
um for White Horse Manningham Regional

00:40:52.640 --> 00:40:55.640
Library Corporation for CCTV cameras. I

00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:59.256
attended my first board meeting as a

00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.736
board member of the library corporation

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.536
late last year in December and I was

00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:06.295
quite concerned about the increased

00:41:06.319 --> 00:41:08.376
level of safety incidences that are

00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.776
occurring within the White Horse Library

00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.575
area and in the White Horse libraries

00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.216
in general. One of the issues that have

00:41:16.240 --> 00:41:17.736
been pointed out is that we don't have

00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.295
CCTV. So then, so when there's a a

00:41:20.319 --> 00:41:22.216
safety matter that comes up, you know,

00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:25.240
patron interaction with with staff or

00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:28.680
patronto patron interactions, go report

00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.016
it to a police. They go, "Where's the

00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:32.856
footage?" And and we don't have any

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.575
footage to hand over. And it does then

00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.599
um reduce the efficiency of um impending

00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.575
police investigations. And then the

00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.376
library corporation had come up with

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.400
a proposal to put to seek um some

00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.736
cameras in like entry and exits of

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.696
high-risk areas. But I think that as a

00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:57.720
as a council and our role to for health

00:41:58.319 --> 00:42:01.176
and safety and for our residents as well

00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:03.095
that we should be a bit more broad brush

00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.736
brushstroke on the use of CCTV. So not

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.896
just entry and exit points but within

00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.976
the library as well. Now I have a

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.295
private reason why I go why why I

00:42:12.319 --> 00:42:15.319
suggest that we have um allocating an

00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:17.815
additional amount and that's to look at

00:42:17.839 --> 00:42:20.136
in the future some self-service options

00:42:20.160 --> 00:42:21.815
within the library. So why would you go

00:42:21.839 --> 00:42:23.896
in a halfway house put in a couple of

00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.920
cameras you might as well try and deal

00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.496
with more of that issue. So if we do

00:42:29.520 --> 00:42:31.256
decide to look at self-service in the

00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.095
future, I don't know if we would, but at

00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.119
least then it's sort of fulfilling

00:42:36.160 --> 00:42:39.160
two types of purposes.

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.536
Now, normally I would just say let it go

00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:44.936
through the officer program for 50,000.

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.776
For this type of one, it's typically

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.095
operational. It is typically

00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.656
operational, but if I waited, it's going

00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:53.736
to be July next year when the new

00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.760
budget's passed. And for me in my role

00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.095
on the board as as a delegated

00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.095
representative here with council Weller,

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.856
I didn't want to wait. That's what it's

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.696
come down to when I saw an increased

00:43:04.720 --> 00:43:07.720
level of safety incidences come up.

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.055
We've got to take some action and we

00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.055
have to we have to work out how to do

00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.536
that. So tonight's not about spending

00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:17.256
the money, but if it's passed tonight,

00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.575
my expectation is that we get an officer

00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.456
report in quickly to say

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.776
um how can we how can we go fund them to

00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.800
do it? So the idea is that the the money

00:43:28.240 --> 00:43:30.856
would go from the council to the

00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.095
regional library corporation. They go

00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.335
fit out the cameras becomes part of our

00:43:35.359 --> 00:43:38.136
fit out. They manage the footage under

00:43:38.160 --> 00:43:41.160
the their own CCTV policy. So then we

00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.656
don't have to worry about monitoring of

00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:45.575
cameras, storage of data. It's all done

00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.599
by the library corporation itself.

00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:50.936
Councilors, um this one is predominantly

00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.960
safety a safety matter. Um when I was at

00:43:54.720 --> 00:43:57.720
the board meeting in December,

00:43:58.319 --> 00:44:00.136
um I asked for assistance with the

00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:02.936
notice of motion and and had and asked

00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.016
council Weller's assistance in in

00:44:05.040 --> 00:44:06.696
preparing it. And I'm sure council well

00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:07.976
is going to have a lot more to talk

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.055
about now, but I do ask that you please

00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.079
support it. Um, we'll get a report back

00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:15.496
cuz I can't go and allocate funds

00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:18.520
straight away. Um, and , I'm hoping

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.335
then we can further support it, but

00:44:21.359 --> 00:44:23.736
we'll see what the report has to say.

00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:24.856
Thank you,  Mayor.

00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.656
 Mayor,

00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:27.256
thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:27.656
Barker.

00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:28.856
Oh, a question.

00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.136
You have a question? What's your

00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:30.856
question, councelor?

00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.295
Thank you,  Mayor. Um, I'm not sure

00:44:32.319 --> 00:44:34.295
whether to board member or to the chief

00:44:34.319 --> 00:44:37.176
executive. Many millions of dollars of

00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:39.416
rate payers money is given to the

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.736
library corporation each year to fund

00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.656
their operations. Can you help me to

00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:45.656
understand why they're not funding out

00:44:45.680 --> 00:44:47.176
of the many millions that we provide

00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:49.416
them already?

00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.656
Councelor Davenport. Well, I I'll I'll

00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:53.815
I'll provide the answer that I think the

00:44:53.839 --> 00:44:56.055
answer is. And then I'm sure that um

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.055
that Miss Leic will help correct me if

00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.079
I'm wrong, but typically the fit out

00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.696
the building and the fixtures are

00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:06.856
typically done by council. That's how it

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.696
generally works and that's how it's a

00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:11.496
CCTV work. But the reason why I've

00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:14.295
written part four the way it is is cuz I

00:45:14.319 --> 00:45:16.936
don't want the cameras to be caught up

00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.575
in council managing the data and all the

00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.335
privacy considerations. I want the

00:45:21.359 --> 00:45:24.055
library to handle that. That's why.

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.616
Um Miss Leic, have you got any more to

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:29.640
add to that response? Yes, please.

00:45:34.560 --> 00:45:36.616
The council statement is correct. the

00:45:36.640 --> 00:45:38.856
capital contribution and this would be a

00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.456
capital contribution is outside of that

00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.456
agreement.

00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.480
Thank you, Miss Leic.

00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:46.536
Council Weller.

00:45:46.560 --> 00:45:48.856
Thank you,  Mayor. As a board member of

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.696
the White Horse Manningham Regional

00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:53.416
Library Corporation, my responsibilities

00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.656
include supporting a safe and respectful

00:45:55.680 --> 00:45:58.136
workplace culture, ensuring compliance

00:45:58.160 --> 00:46:00.055
with workplace health and safety

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.536
legislation, and overseeing effective

00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:04.936
risk management processes, particularly

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.016
those relating to workforce well-being

00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:09.016
and the safety of users of our

00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:11.176
libraries. To support these

00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:13.736
responsibilities, a report is requested

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.376
about the allocation of 50,000 from

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.016
council surplus to the corporation for

00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:22.040
the installation of CCTV and associated

00:46:22.319 --> 00:46:25.256
equipment, primarily at the main public

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.055
entry and exit points of all four White

00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.136
Horse Library branches and other

00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:32.536
high-risk locations.

00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:35.416
This request is driven by a significant

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.295
increase in reported incidents.

00:46:38.319 --> 00:46:41.319
In financial year 2425, incidents rose

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.400
by 20% compared with the previous year.

00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:49.575
Serious matters included theft, verbal

00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.736
and physical assaults, indecent

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.760
exposure, and child safety concerns.

00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.736
Installing CCTV will help address the

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.136
rise in incidents by enhancing the

00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:02.456
safety and reassurance of staff and

00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.256
patrons, acting as a visible deterrent

00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.815
to potential offenders, supporting

00:47:07.839 --> 00:47:10.776
Victoria Police in investigations, and

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.335
enabling the corporation to monitor and

00:47:13.359 --> 00:47:16.216
enforce bans on individuals prohibited

00:47:16.240 --> 00:47:19.016
from entering our libraries. This

00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:21.416
investment strengthens the corporation's

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.976
riskmanagement framework and supports

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.216
our commitment to providing safe,

00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:28.616
welcoming, and trusted spaces for our

00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:30.856
community. For these reasons, I am

00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.815
pleased to support this motion.

00:47:33.839 --> 00:47:35.176
Thank you, Councelor Weller. Are there

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.176
any further speakers to the motion?

00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:37.976
Yes,  Mayor.

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.176
Council Martin.

00:47:39.200 --> 00:47:40.776
Thank you,  Mayor. Thank you, Council

00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.095
Davenport and Councelor Weller. Um, so

00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:44.776
in my previous employment, the issue of

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.456
safety is always the first item we used

00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.216
to discuss at meetings.

00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:49.896
Um so  Mayor I'll be happy to support

00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.496
this motion as it directly relates to

00:47:51.520 --> 00:47:53.335
the safety for not only our employees of

00:47:53.359 --> 00:47:55.256
council libraries but also the community

00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.575
members who attend these facilities. So

00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:59.176
our library is now a destination for

00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:00.536
many people at different times of the

00:48:00.560 --> 00:48:02.456
day. The libraries after dark program

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.136
gives communities a safe and friendly

00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:06.216
alternative to spending the the evening

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:07.736
at Pokées for example. I'm not sure if

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.335
you're aware of that. That's funded by

00:48:09.359 --> 00:48:11.736
the state government at Boxill once a

00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.295
week. participating libraries extend

00:48:14.319 --> 00:48:16.536
their evening opening hours to become

00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:18.536
community lounges. So an alternative to

00:48:18.560 --> 00:48:20.536
the gaming lounge. During the recent

00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:22.376
heat wave, our libraries were offered as

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:23.976
a sanctuary for residents who needed a

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.335
cool place to reside and stay

00:48:25.359 --> 00:48:27.256
comfortable. So here are two examples

00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.176
where local facilities like libraries

00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:30.856
offer our residents a safe place to

00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.176
visit. Of course, if you love to read,

00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:34.535
I'm sure we can find a book you'll love

00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.559
as well. Um but anyway that said it's a

00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.335
sad state when organizations like

00:48:39.359 --> 00:48:41.256
councils need to look at such measures

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.856
but unfortunately this is a sign of the

00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.776
times we live in. I'm not going to go

00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.535
into detail about instances happened at

00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.456
our shopping centers or or railway

00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:49.976
stations or even the libraries we're

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.055
talking about. But um I have family

00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.496
members that work or have worked in

00:48:53.520 --> 00:48:56.055
policing and the public transport and

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:57.575
there's just so many terrible incidents

00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.256
you don't hear about and are quite

00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.256
common and apparent and they're in the

00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.896
reports and they're being reported to

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.055
cancel. So I think as a and I think the

00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.256
community is sick of it and they want to

00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.496
draw a line. So this motion in some way

00:49:09.520 --> 00:49:12.376
is drawing this line. So what I do know

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.736
is that when we are discussing the

00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.496
safety of council employees, residents

00:49:15.520 --> 00:49:17.016
and customers, it is council's

00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:18.616
responsibility to do what is reasonable

00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:20.936
to provide a safe environment. The role

00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.335
of CCTV is two-pronged. Firstly,

00:49:23.359 --> 00:49:25.815
preventative and secondly, a mechanism

00:49:25.839 --> 00:49:27.496
to follow up incidents as councelor

00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:30.295
Devport suggested if if required provide

00:49:30.319 --> 00:49:32.535
evidence of prosecution.

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.055
There is a clear appetite in the

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.656
community for government at all levels

00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:37.496
to provide safe communities. The

00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:39.575
solution to safety is multi-pronged.

00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.896
Community engagement, good design,

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.656
well-lit areas, and preventative

00:49:43.680 --> 00:49:46.216
measures such as CCTV.

00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:48.376
Now, a role of CCTV out extensively

00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:49.416
through our community would not be

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.176
viable and cost prohibitive. But when we

00:49:51.200 --> 00:49:53.095
have reported safety in incidents with

00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.256
staff and these are reported and

00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:56.696
locations that have high public

00:49:56.720 --> 00:49:58.376
transport through day and night, I think

00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.936
this motion is reasonable, prudent and

00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.896
sensible. So at the la the last local

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:05.016
government election, there was clear

00:50:05.040 --> 00:50:06.535
sentiment to support councilors who

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.776
raise community safety as a concern and

00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:10.696
is pleasing to see within one year we

00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:12.376
now have a community safety committee

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:13.896
announced for the city of Whiteor

00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.535
starting in 2026 chaired by councelor

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.936
cuts. Councelor, this motion has been

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.376
put forward to acknowledge the

00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.295
importance of community safety, the need

00:50:22.319 --> 00:50:24.136
to sometimes act in a timely manner that

00:50:24.160 --> 00:50:25.896
our community expects and demands, and I

00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.920
ask you support this motion. Thank you.

00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.095
Thank you, Councelor Martin. Are there

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:32.616
any further speakers to the motion?

00:50:32.640 --> 00:50:33.896
I just have a question.

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:35.095
Griffith, your question.

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.736
Oh, just on the procurement process

00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.616
here. Does this meet White Horse's

00:50:40.640 --> 00:50:43.640
standards of funding something that's

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.856
council's responsibility by first

00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.256
sending money to a corporation that will

00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.280
presumably undertake their own process?

00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.136
I'll direct the question to you, Mr.

00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:57.176
McMillan.

00:50:57.200 --> 00:50:58.776
Through you,  Mayor. It's a reasonable

00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.496
question. I note that this particular

00:51:01.520 --> 00:51:03.896
notice of motion is seeking a report. So

00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.920
that report will need to articulate um

00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.960
the the um the process around whether or

00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.496
not the $50,000 because the $50,000 is

00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:15.256
part of the report that's to be

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:16.776
presented and that will certainly be

00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.055
something that need to be included for

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.079
the consideration. Thank you.

00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.535
Are there any further speakers to the

00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:25.016
motion?

00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:26.055
Yes, ma'am.

00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:26.936
Council Barker,

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.535
I think I'm speaking against. I haven't

00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.456
made up my mind yet, but I'm I have

00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.295
concerns about ubiquitous surveillance

00:51:32.319 --> 00:51:34.535
that goes on in the city at the moment,

00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.456
and I know a lot of our community do as

00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.696
well. When we introduce the on demand

00:51:38.720 --> 00:51:40.776
lights at um at least one of our ovals

00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.176
with these thermal camera sensor

00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:45.016
devices, which can pick the difference,

00:51:45.040 --> 00:51:46.696
believe it or not, the difference

00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:49.656
between a dog and a person and a possum

00:51:49.680 --> 00:51:51.335
and a person. So, a possum goes on the

00:51:51.359 --> 00:51:53.575
oval, lights don't come on, but a small

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:54.936
person walks out on the oval at night,

00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:56.295
the lights do go on because it knows the

00:51:56.319 --> 00:51:58.456
difference. But people thought they

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.136
video,

00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:02.295
you know, highdefinition video cameras.

00:52:02.319 --> 00:52:04.376
They're not that. And people are

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.856
concerned about that. And I take you to

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.936
this continue this thinking about

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:10.616
ubiquitous surveillance in Bunnings the

00:52:10.640 --> 00:52:13.575
other day and the staff now wear Body

00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.599
Worn camera devices even though there is

00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:20.200
fixed CCTV everywhere. And I said to

00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:22.295
this charming young person that was

00:52:22.319 --> 00:52:24.216
helping me in the hire shop, "Is that a

00:52:24.240 --> 00:52:25.896
bodywn cam you're wearing?" She goes,

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.256
"Yeah, as a matter of fact, it is, but

00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:28.376
don't worry, it's not recording." I

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.376
said, "You won't need to record with me.

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:31.496
You won't have any problems." She said,

00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:34.456
"Oh, you see,

00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.216
um, the problems we have are just

00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:37.496
incredible. People just come in and

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:38.696
steal everything." We know now in

00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:41.720
Victoria, over 70% of all retail crime

00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:43.976
in the whole of Australia is conducted

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.295
in Victoria, despite ubiquitous

00:52:46.319 --> 00:52:48.376
surveillance being almost everywhere.

00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.216
And now, the latest thing from Bunnings

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:52.696
is bodywn cameras. And even that isn't

00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:54.535
necessarily stopping some of the

00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.856
antisocial behavior. And in fact, I

00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.376
think some of the ubiquitous

00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.055
surveillance in particularly facial

00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.815
recognition technology, which I think

00:53:01.839 --> 00:53:04.136
what councelor Davenport was suggesting

00:53:04.160 --> 00:53:07.160
around um automatic after hours access

00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:10.376
concerns a lot of people. Um, and I'd

00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:11.815
like to think that the library

00:53:11.839 --> 00:53:14.295
corporation would do some pretty

00:53:14.319 --> 00:53:17.319
detailed consultation with its community

00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.216
of users prior to doing this because

00:53:20.240 --> 00:53:22.055
there will be some people that do not

00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.136
support. I of course support a safe

00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:25.496
workplace for all. But I'm not

00:53:25.520 --> 00:53:28.520
necessarily sure that CCTV cameras

00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.760
provide any deterrence in Victoria at

00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.496
the moment because all of the crimes

00:53:35.520 --> 00:53:37.575
that we're seeing so graphically

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.256
depicted this crime crisis that's

00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.815
gripping Victoria that's on our

00:53:41.839 --> 00:53:44.456
televisions every night is all CCTV. It

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.055
doesn't seem to be deterring crime in

00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.815
Victoria. Now, I'm not sure if that's

00:53:47.839 --> 00:53:49.496
something to to do with the justice

00:53:49.520 --> 00:53:51.335
system or what it is, but I'm not

00:53:51.359 --> 00:53:54.359
convinced that CCTV the answer.

00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.456
Are there any further speakers to the

00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:58.856
motion?

00:53:58.880 --> 00:53:59.736
Yes,  Mayor.

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:00.696
Council Simpson.

00:54:00.720 --> 00:54:03.256
Thank you,  Mayor. Um councilors

00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.815
um you're probably aware that I tend to

00:54:05.839 --> 00:54:08.839
not support motions that like to seek

00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:10.936
funding outside of the budget process

00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.656
because um I think that can cause us

00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:16.535
fiscal issues with being

00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.535
responsible with our rate payers money

00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.055
but in this particular instance I think

00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.416
given the sum of money that's being

00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.496
asked and as councelor Davenport and

00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:25.896
councelor Weller outlined the reasons um

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.416
why I think we should support this

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.440
motion um because it is a safety issue

00:54:31.200 --> 00:54:33.176
on the issue of or the the question

00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:35.575
about whether CCTV cameras actually

00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.815
help. I think they're just one tool in

00:54:37.839 --> 00:54:40.136
the toolbox. There's never ever just one

00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:41.496
answer to a problem. It's usually an

00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:44.295
interrelating web of tools that's used

00:54:44.319 --> 00:54:45.896
in order to try and help alleviate

00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.920
issues. So, where these CCTV um cameras

00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.736
would help is providing that evidence to

00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.295
police for investigations um and so on

00:54:54.319 --> 00:54:55.656
and so forth. So, councilors, I think

00:54:55.680 --> 00:54:57.256
it's a good idea on the whole and I will

00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.335
be supporting it.

00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:00.776
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Any

00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:02.136
further speakers to the motion?

00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:03.256
Yes,  Mayor.

00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.616
Thank you, councelor Gun.

00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:06.696
, I may have an amendment. In fact, I

00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:08.295
just want to clarify. It might be a

00:55:08.319 --> 00:55:10.616
question first as to whether the

00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:13.335
amendment covers if Manningham White

00:55:13.359 --> 00:55:15.335
Manningham were to allocate this 50,000

00:55:15.359 --> 00:55:17.176
to one of their facilities as opposed to

00:55:17.200 --> 00:55:19.335
a White Horse one cuz it doesn't

00:55:19.359 --> 00:55:21.736
specifically say White Horse Libraries

00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.456
that they could allocate that 50,000 to.

00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:25.815
Can I have a answer to that as to

00:55:25.839 --> 00:55:28.839
whether I need an amendment or not?

00:55:29.040 --> 00:55:32.040
Mr. McMillan

00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.815
through May. It It's a good question. 

00:55:35.839 --> 00:55:37.656
my understanding would be is that we're

00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:39.976
responsible for the White Horse assets,

00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.856
so the libraries um

00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.815
giving money to the corporation.

00:55:45.839 --> 00:55:47.095
Would they then put it in?

00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.256
Yes, that's a good point. um whether or

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.176
not it needs to be specified for the

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:54.200
purpose of White House councilowned

00:55:54.319 --> 00:55:57.176
assets in or libraries. I'd be think

00:55:57.200 --> 00:55:59.496
that would be for clarification we could

00:55:59.520 --> 00:56:02.520
do that. I mean

00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:05.575
probably for clarity we could do that.

00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.216
Yeah.

00:56:08.240 --> 00:56:09.815
I'd like to move an amendment then if

00:56:09.839 --> 00:56:12.839
that's the case.

00:56:13.200 --> 00:56:15.335
Okay. What would that amendment be? to

00:56:15.359 --> 00:56:17.976
add at the end of high-risk locations

00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.000
within White Horse Council Libraries.

00:56:36.240 --> 00:56:38.696
Council Davort, do you agree with that

00:56:38.720 --> 00:56:40.055
amendment?

00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.079
, yes,  Mayor. Councelor Weller.

00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.440
Yes,  Mayor.

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.535
Now you can continue. Councelor G.

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:52.456
Thank you. I just want to speak briefly.

00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:53.736
Thank you for the addition. 

00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.760
councilors, um I I think we've noticed

00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.335
through since the pandemic really a real

00:56:59.359 --> 00:57:00.856
breakdown in that relationship at

00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:02.535
customer service level. there has been

00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.559
an extensive increase in antisocial or

00:57:07.040 --> 00:57:09.095
rude interactions between customer

00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.119
service staff and customers. and I

00:57:12.319 --> 00:57:14.136
I don't know what the cause of that is

00:57:14.160 --> 00:57:16.775
but I feel as though again it's not

00:57:16.799 --> 00:57:19.016
the answer but it is a tool to have add

00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:22.040
an additional element of support for

00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.079
our staff. so I'm I'm very much in in

00:57:25.359 --> 00:57:28.136
favor of that addition. and I also

00:57:28.160 --> 00:57:29.976
welcome the longer term view that

00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.815
potentially might come of this with

00:57:31.839 --> 00:57:34.295
respect to what councelor B councelor

00:57:34.319 --> 00:57:36.295
Davenport mentioned earlier which is the

00:57:36.319 --> 00:57:39.319
potential for this asset to

00:57:40.319 --> 00:57:42.295
potentially usher in selfservice for

00:57:42.319 --> 00:57:44.856
after hours use and I know that within

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.535
the Vermont South Library that would

00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.095
certainly be welcomed. Um but that's

00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.496
getting the cart before the horse. Um

00:57:51.520 --> 00:57:52.856
this is a long way to go before

00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.696
something like that is considered.

00:57:54.720 --> 00:57:57.335
However, I I in support of the motion as

00:57:57.359 --> 00:58:00.359
it now reads. Thank you.

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:02.216
Thank you, councelor Gun. Are there any

00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:04.055
further speakers to the motion?

00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.616
May I'd like to seek a amendment

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:09.640
adding.5.

00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:11.416
Yes, councelor Stennet.

00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.055
it would read right to Manningham

00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.416
Council seeking their interest in

00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.656
allocating contribution for Cambridge

00:58:17.680 --> 00:58:20.055
and high-risk locations within

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.856
Manningham Council libraries.

00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.880
Could

00:58:31.359 --> 00:58:34.055
you please submit that to the governance

00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.079
team?

01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.256
Okay, that amendment has now been added

01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.736
to the screen. Um, as the mover,

01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.736
Councelor Davenport, are you happy to

01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.416
include this into the motion?

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.016
, no,  Mayor.

01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:51.575
Councelor Weller.

01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.976
No,  Mayor.

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.856
Um, is there a seconder for the

01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:57.815
amendment?

01:00:57.839 --> 01:00:59.176
Yes,  Mayor.

01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:01.095
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Councelor

01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.616
Stennet.

01:01:02.640 --> 01:01:04.936
Um, thank you,  Mayor. Um, I agree with

01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.815
all the speakers and their reasons for

01:01:07.839 --> 01:01:10.839
supporting this motion. And, , in that

01:01:11.520 --> 01:01:13.016
vein, I suppose, but there was a

01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:16.040
conversation about, well,

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.616
um, if we're going to put in $50,000,

01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:20.376
where does it go? Does it go into

01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.400
Manningham Council Libraries? Um, that's

01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:26.295
a fair fair point. But if we're genuine

01:01:26.319 --> 01:01:29.256
about the reasons why

01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.136
um we're allocating potentially

01:01:32.160 --> 01:01:35.160
allocating funding to instill cameras in

01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.416
high-risk locations, why should they

01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.696
only be within White House Council

01:01:38.720 --> 01:01:40.696
Libraries? I mean, it's up to surely

01:01:40.720 --> 01:01:42.616
it's up to Manningham

01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:44.376
um to

01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.176
provide that contribution. Um, all

01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:49.736
I'm asking is for us to write to them,

01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:51.815
um, seeking their interest in making a

01:01:51.839 --> 01:01:53.976
contribution, , giving them the

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.335
opportunity so they're not sort of

01:01:55.359 --> 01:01:58.359
blindsided by, um, this motion um, by

01:01:59.359 --> 01:02:01.496
White Horse saying, "Well, we're only

01:02:01.520 --> 01:02:03.976
interested in White Horse Libraries." If

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.856
we're truly a a library corporation

01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.535
between our two councils and a

01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.696
partnership, what sort what message does

01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:13.095
that send if we just say, "Oh, we're

01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.416
just we're just going to put um cameras

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.440
in our our libraries and

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.535
for some reason we think the safety

01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.335
issues only on our side of the border."

01:02:23.359 --> 01:02:24.856
So, Manningham doesn't have the same

01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.176
safety issues. Is that right? I mean, I

01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:29.656
think that there's a can of worms here

01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:31.736
we don't want to open and I'm just

01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:33.656
trying to close that can of worms before

01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:35.736
it does open. But councilors, it's up to

01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.656
you.

01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:39.095
Councelor Griffith,

01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:40.696
thanks. A letter seemed like a very

01:02:40.720 --> 01:02:42.535
simple thing to include. So, it's happy

01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.559
to second. Um, my my thought when I see

01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.656
this, it's very prescriptive on the

01:02:47.680 --> 01:02:49.815
mechanism. I don't see why White Horse

01:02:49.839 --> 01:02:52.839
can't buy slightly cheaper cameras, wrap

01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:54.856
them up, package them and take them to

01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:56.936
the corporation and do it and do it that

01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:59.416
way. I think 50K

01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.176
it could probably be done cheaper or we

01:03:01.200 --> 01:03:03.095
should have a better acquitt process in

01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:04.775
place otherwise the corporation are

01:03:04.799 --> 01:03:07.736
going to go we've got this funding let's

01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.335
let's reach it till we don't have a

01:03:09.359 --> 01:03:12.359
scent left. Broadly supportive of the

01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:13.896
next step which is seeking a report

01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.456
 Mayor nothing further.

01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.456
Thank you, councelor Griffith. Are there

01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:19.656
any further speakers?

01:03:19.680 --> 01:03:21.015
Yes. Yes,  Mayor. Um,

01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:22.216
thank you, Councelor Davenport.

01:03:22.240 --> 01:03:23.815
Normally, I would have just waved this

01:03:23.839 --> 01:03:26.839
one through. I would have,  Mayor, but

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:29.416
this type of amendment doesn't make us

01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.736
look good when there's already CCTV

01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.295
cameras installed in a in a number of

01:03:34.319 --> 01:03:37.319
Manningham Library locations right now.

01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.696
So for us to write them a letter asking

01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:43.720
for an interest to to put cameras in,

01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.176
the whole reason we we've done it is

01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:49.815
because Manningham's we we've had an

01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:52.616
increase of safety incidences

01:03:52.640 --> 01:03:55.640
ourselves in our branches. Manningham's

01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.176
got some CCTVs already installed in the

01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:00.696
Manningham

01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:03.720
libraries themselves. So, um, I don't

01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.055
want to go through which location and

01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:07.896
where or anything like that, but it was

01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.976
a stark difference between what's at

01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.896
Manningham and what's at White Horse.

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:13.896
So, that's why I'm saying just don't

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.656
worry about writing to him. Let the

01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:17.496
board at the library corporation deal

01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:19.416
with it.

01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.775
Thank you, councelor Davenport. Are

01:04:20.799 --> 01:04:21.896
there any further speakers to the

01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:22.535
amendment?

01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:23.976
Yes,  Mayor.

01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:25.575
Councelor

01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:26.216
Simpson.

01:04:26.240 --> 01:04:28.055
, thank you,  Mayor. Um, I agree with

01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:29.416
some of the comments that Councelor

01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.656
Stennets made. Um, it's just writing a

01:04:31.680 --> 01:04:34.680
letter. Um, for residents in my area of

01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.656
White Horse, it's actually potentially

01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:40.535
easier to get to facilities within

01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.015
Manningham than it is to potentially get

01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:44.775
to those same facilities within White

01:04:44.799 --> 01:04:47.256
Horse. Um, especially those that live in

01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.176
Blackburn North or Boxill North along

01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:52.200
the freeway there. Um, so we know that

01:04:52.640 --> 01:04:54.696
residents don't see borders. Um, they

01:04:54.720 --> 01:04:56.295
just go to the facilities that are

01:04:56.319 --> 01:04:58.216
closest to them to to do what they need

01:04:58.240 --> 01:04:59.736
to do. And therefore, given that we are

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.496
in a partnership with Manningham, if

01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:03.815
resident if a resident knows that White

01:05:03.839 --> 01:05:06.839
Horse libraries have um CCTV, but then a

01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.496
Manningham library doesn't um they might

01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:11.575
be wondering why um we should try to

01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.216
have some form of um continuity in

01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:16.376
relation to this matter um for residents

01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.936
peace of mind. Um and it is writing a

01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:20.295
letter. So councilors, please support

01:05:20.319 --> 01:05:21.815
this.

01:05:21.839 --> 01:05:23.976
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Councelor

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.616
Weller. just briefly may I just

01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:29.176
wanted to clarify the corporation does

01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:32.200
not currently operate any CCTV system

01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:35.720
within all eight branches. There is CCTV

01:05:36.720 --> 01:05:39.416
at Doncaster and Warrenite libraries

01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.136
managed by Manningham Council. The

01:05:42.160 --> 01:05:45.160
intention here is that the corporation

01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.760
we give the funds to them. They do

01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.039
the installation, they manage the policy

01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:55.015
and the operations. Um so it's a little

01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.039
bit different um because of those other

01:05:58.160 --> 01:06:00.295
ones are actually managed by Manningham

01:06:00.319 --> 01:06:02.216
whereas here we want the corporation to

01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:05.240
take that responsibility.

01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:07.575
Thank you councelor Weller. Are there any

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.599
further speakers to the amendment?

01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:13.256
I will now put the amendment. Please

01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:15.815
keep your hands up as I call your names

01:06:15.839 --> 01:06:18.839
and all those in favor.

01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:21.335
Councelor Griffith, Councelor Gun,

01:06:21.359 --> 01:06:24.055
Councelor Simpson, Councelor Stennet,

01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:27.079
Councelor Cuts, and Councelor Martin.

01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.456
Those against. Councelor Weller, Council

01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.216
Davenport, Councelor Langford, and

01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:35.240
Councelor Barker. Um, the amendment is

01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.280
moved.

01:06:41.839 --> 01:06:44.839
Sorry, it now becomes a substantive.

01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:46.295
And we go back to debate.

01:06:46.319 --> 01:06:47.896
And we go back to debate. On the

01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.136
substantive. Are there any further

01:06:50.160 --> 01:06:53.160
speakers on the sub new substantive?

01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:55.815
I believe you have the right of reply.

01:06:55.839 --> 01:06:57.015
Councelor Davenport.

01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:59.176
I will wave it.  Mayor,

01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:01.976
I now put the motion. Those in in um

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.416
support of the motion. Please put your

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.815
hands up. Councelor Weller, councelor

01:07:05.839 --> 01:07:07.416
Griffith, councelor Gun, councelor

01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.736
Davenport.

01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.256
Sorry, I'm not going to continue reading

01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:14.055
because it's unanimous. Thank you. The

01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.079
council is the motion's carried.

01:07:21.359 --> 01:07:23.976
We now move to item 10.1, the draft

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.815
Bennettwood Reserve master plan

01:07:25.839 --> 01:07:28.216
endorsement for round two community

01:07:28.240 --> 01:07:30.376
consultation. Can I have a counselor to

01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:31.496
move the item?

01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:34.520
 Mayor, I've got um a motion with um

01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:36.616
amendments incorporated, which I'd like

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:37.896
to move, please.

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.376
Councelor Dport, please um put that

01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.400
amendment up onto the screen.

01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.976
Yep.

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:47.416
Would someone like to second this

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.496
motion?

01:07:49.520 --> 01:07:49.736
Oh,

01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:50.775
happy to second.

01:07:50.799 --> 01:07:52.856
Thanks, Council Barker. Councelor

01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:53.496
Davenport.

01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:55.176
Well, thank you. , thank you,  Mayor.

01:07:55.200 --> 01:07:57.976
And the Bennettwood Reserve master plan

01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.055
that's draft here tonight that we

01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.376
want to go and do consultation on. It's

01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.400
been a a large body of work um to get

01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:08.216
to this particular point. There's one

01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:11.240
piece of underutilized land um which is

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:13.976
a Bennettwood North oval that has been

01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.000
stagnated there for many many years and

01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.536
it's ripe to have something done with 

01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:22.536
with that particular site and it's

01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.536
really pleasing to see that the

01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.416
cooperative work between Deacon um

01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:30.215
University White Horse and members of

01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.775
the clubs clubs and community members

01:08:32.799 --> 01:08:34.856
who've been part of round one

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:36.695
consultation

01:08:36.719 --> 01:08:39.416
um has produced this particular 

01:08:39.440 --> 01:08:41.896
master plan itself. The thing these

01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:44.920
things aren't cheap. Um there's the idea

01:08:45.040 --> 01:08:47.175
is that there would be a senior size

01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.199
soccer pitch um two basketball courts

01:08:50.400 --> 01:08:52.456
and a number of other improvements

01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:55.480
around the site as well. And the concept

01:08:56.799 --> 01:08:59.335
tonight is that we endorse the master

01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.359
plan with a few changes to and then go

01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:04.536
out to the community and that and those

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.175
um are around three points. the changes.

01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.255
The first is around the outdoor fitness

01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.735
equipment area. Now, people like to have

01:09:11.759 --> 01:09:14.215
adult fitness equipment, but in the

01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:15.815
master plan where it's currently

01:09:15.839 --> 01:09:18.215
located, sort of within the bounds of

01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.856
Deacon University, my view that there

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.016
are better places within within

01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:25.496
Gardener's Creek to place outdoor

01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.376
fitness equipment. Now, it was me, I'd

01:09:28.400 --> 01:09:30.775
put one piece and then 50 m down the

01:09:30.799 --> 01:09:32.536
road, another piece. So, it's sort of

01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:34.135
like a walking track with fitness

01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:35.976
equipment. Where it's currently

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.135
proposed, I don't think meets the

01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:39.976
purpose. There's other parts within

01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.456
Gardener Creek that would be better for

01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:45.096
outdoor fitness equipment. It's right

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.016
next door to Deacon Uni that's got a

01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:50.040
fully fitted out um gym and fitness

01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:52.616
area. So, I'm suggesting that goes and

01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.640
rather than having an outdoor gym gym

01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.840
area that there are more table tennis

01:09:59.120 --> 01:10:01.175
items put up, which is what our

01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:02.936
community members like. When I go down

01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.960
to to um Boxhill Gardens, well, guess

01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:08.776
what's being used quite often is those

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.800
two table tennis tables that are sitting

01:10:12.080 --> 01:10:14.695
there with makeshift catch nets at the

01:10:14.719 --> 01:10:17.719
back. That's the areas that we should be

01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.215
focused on. outdoor fitness area

01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:21.736
somewhere else within the park. The

01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.760
second is around signage elements and

01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:28.056
um with respect to indigenous signage

01:10:28.080 --> 01:10:31.080
elements. My view we should be having

01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.856
interpretive signage to the south of

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.016
Gardener Creek. Why? because we've got a

01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:39.576
very famous indigenous artist that

01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.135
had where council spent a fortune to the

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.159
south of of of u of um Bard Highway and

01:10:48.719 --> 01:10:50.856
they and and that's where the

01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.655
interpretive signage should go. You've

01:10:53.679 --> 01:10:56.135
got the I think there's snakes in the in

01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:57.496
the ground and that's done by an

01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.896
indigenous artist. put the put the

01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:02.215
interpretive signage there and that

01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:04.856
means that as as council officers rather

01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:06.936
than across the park with more signs

01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.016
that then can get tagged you go to one

01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:10.856
location and that's why I'm suggesting

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.880
P3 and four are removed. Um the four the

01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.695
third area is there's a lot a number of

01:11:16.719 --> 01:11:19.016
comments about this will be funded this

01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:21.896
might be funded this is a master plan on

01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.135
what we think when funding comes up how

01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.096
do we go and deploy it it's not about

01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:29.576
who funds what or we've got money for

01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:31.976
this or that because it sets unrealistic

01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:33.816
expectations with members of the

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.736
community. Now, if we don't say that

01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.016
it's funded, there might be an

01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:38.695
expectation from the community that

01:11:38.719 --> 01:11:41.336
we're going to fund it at the moment,

01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:44.360
there's not much in our forward plan

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.640
um for funding the bigger ticket items

01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:51.480
and and that's decision that as council

01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.840
council laws um make when we do our

01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.695
budget plan. And so these particular

01:11:58.719 --> 01:12:00.936
three points is what I'm seeking an

01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.376
adjustment on. Now, I've learned from

01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:04.856
the previous master plan that come to us

01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:07.880
here at at council, previous one

01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:10.695
where council tried to tweak it at the

01:12:10.719 --> 01:12:12.856
end, and everyone was saying, well, it's

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.256
much too late in the process. And so,

01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:16.936
the feedback I got from communities,

01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.816
make some adjustments now. Members of

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.096
the community are going to see both

01:12:21.120 --> 01:12:23.976
versions anyway. Um, and if people say

01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.896
it needs to have a fitness center, then

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.376
do that. But what I get told by members

01:12:28.400 --> 01:12:29.976
of the community is fitness center

01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.856
should go somewhere else within the um

01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:35.880
gardeners creek precinct signage.

01:12:36.719 --> 01:12:37.976
I think that should go where the

01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.536
indigenous area already is and funding

01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.215
sources really doesn't have a place

01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.376
within our master plan. It sort of talks

01:12:44.400 --> 01:12:47.256
should talk about what goes where and

01:12:47.280 --> 01:12:50.280
and um funding not funding sources but

01:12:51.040 --> 01:12:53.496
what things would cost in the end. Thank

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.576
you  Mayor. Thank you, councelor

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.336
Davenport. Councelor Barker. Oh,

01:12:57.360 --> 01:12:59.096
thanks,  Mayor. I won't go too much to

01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:01.175
councelor Davenport's

01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.256
um amendments to this. Needless to say,

01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:05.016
I support them. And I particularly note,

01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:07.576
may the the great Deacon University, one

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.256
of our great partners, has an annual

01:13:09.280 --> 01:13:12.135
revenue of about 1.48

01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:14.936
billion. They're about seven times more

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:16.616
revenue than the great city of White

01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:18.616
Horse. So, one might naturally suspect

01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.456
that their contribution to this

01:13:20.480 --> 01:13:22.215
wonderful project might be seven times

01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:23.655
greater than ours.

01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:25.256
suspect that probably won't be the case,

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:28.280
may but um I do endorse um councelor

01:13:28.480 --> 01:13:31.175
Davenport's comments about um committing

01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.016
ourselves to funding sources because I'd

01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:34.695
also like to think that the state

01:13:34.719 --> 01:13:37.719
government or the suburban rail loop um

01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:39.816
which is going to be putting a whole

01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:41.816
bunch of population in here that will

01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.215
need this open space and I think we

01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.239
should um be congratulating the officers

01:13:47.360 --> 01:13:48.936
for the work on this in terms of

01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:50.776
thinking forward about this open space

01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.416
because it will be needed. um at some

01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:56.440
point in the future when residential um

01:13:57.280 --> 01:14:00.280
dwellings do come up in that area.

01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:02.695
I was also impressed with a couple of

01:14:02.719 --> 01:14:04.376
other things there. Something that I've

01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:05.976
been on about for a long time, which is

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.616
not having hardsided cricket nets, so

01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.016
they can be used for multiple purposes.

01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:13.576
This is something that we had started at

01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:15.336
Montelbert Reserve when it was in the

01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:17.496
Elk Award many years ago and then we've

01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.816
moved it to Springfield Park and others.

01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:22.840
And it's it means that those um those

01:14:23.040 --> 01:14:25.016
nets are useful all year round and

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:27.096
they're not just for cricket. I'll be

01:14:27.120 --> 01:14:28.616
interested and I'll be listening very

01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.215
carefully to the community consultation

01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.536
because I know that sort of northern

01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:34.376
open space is very popular with dog

01:14:34.400 --> 01:14:36.135
walkers and I'm sure there will be the

01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:38.856
inevitable conflict between soccer and

01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.655
dog walkers. But let's I'm sure we

01:14:41.679 --> 01:14:44.056
can um accommodate both because we were

01:14:44.080 --> 01:14:45.576
able to do that in places like Mon

01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:47.576
Elbert Reserve and Springfield and and

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.576
Kunang Reserve where we can accommodate

01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.600
both because um we know that

01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.536
these open spaces are getting more and

01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.695
more demand across more and more time of

01:14:58.719 --> 01:15:00.776
the year and this is a place to activate

01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.096
it for Deacon University. We've seen how

01:15:03.120 --> 01:15:05.976
on demand lights make places bright.

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.296
They make they en enhance the sense of

01:15:08.320 --> 01:15:10.776
safety in an area because all of a

01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:12.776
sudden there are multiple people there

01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:14.856
from six o'clock in the morning until

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.496
10:00 at night. And I know that part of

01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.816
Deacon and that part of Gardener's Creek

01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.376
can be quite dark at night and I think

01:15:22.400 --> 01:15:24.215
um this is a good plan and I look

01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.776
forward to um the community feedback on

01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:28.776
it. Thank you ma'am.

01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.135
Are there any further speakers to the

01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:31.496
motion? Council Martin,

01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.416
just a question. I was just wondering

01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:35.576
whether parts one, two, or three we

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:38.600
could vote on them as separate items.

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:46.056
That's fine. Thanks, Councelor Martin.

01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:47.416
Is you did you want to speak to the

01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:47.896
motion?

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:49.496
I was just No, I was just sort of saying

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.135
there three distinct different things.

01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:53.576
So, I thought it might be worth waiting

01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:56.600
on them in separate items.

01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.056
Are there any other speakers for the

01:15:58.080 --> 01:15:58.456
motion?

01:15:58.480 --> 01:15:59.496
Yes,  Mayor.

01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:00.456
Council cuts.

01:16:00.480 --> 01:16:02.776
Thank you very much. Well, this being my

01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:04.856
10th year on council, I can remember

01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.880
this Bennettwood North oval being

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.536
discussed pretty much all of that time.

01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.215
So, this is something I'm very pleased

01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:14.536
that we've brought to the chamber now.

01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.175
It's been a long time coming. Um,

01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:20.199
generally I'm not in support of changing

01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.016
minor things. I think we should be

01:16:23.040 --> 01:16:25.336
waiting for community feedback on that.

01:16:25.360 --> 01:16:27.175
So, I won't be supporting points one or

01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:30.199
two on this. Um I do see um relevance

01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:33.175
in.3 however move removing the potential

01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:35.175
funding sources from the draft master

01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.199
plan. I note that in terms of um

01:16:38.480 --> 01:16:41.256
funding we've deacon is is willing and

01:16:41.280 --> 01:16:44.280
and agreed to put up 4.16

01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.920
million to fund two new multi-purpose

01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:51.816
courts with a canopy and a satellite

01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.616
pavilion. Um but the bulk of this

01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.336
project costing about 15 million is is

01:16:57.360 --> 01:17:00.360
11 million coming from council. Um but

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.776
yes that that's what I will be thinking

01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:04.376
at the moment but I'm certainly very

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:05.976
pleased that we've we this is going to

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.896
be going out for committee consultation.

01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.920
It's um well overdue. Thank you  Mayor.

01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:13.175
Thank you councelor cuts. Are there any

01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.016
other speakers to the motion?

01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:15.576
Yes  Mayor.

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:16.536
Councelor Simpson.

01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:17.816
Thank you  Mayor. Um I've been listening

01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:19.736
to the debate and I do think um

01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.135
councelor Davenport you make a very

01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.856
cogent argument about.3. Um but when it

01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:26.376
comes to the other two points in this

01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:29.400
motion, I was just thinking about um the

01:17:30.719 --> 01:17:33.719
community in um information we got as

01:17:35.120 --> 01:17:37.096
that formed the shaping of this master

01:17:37.120 --> 01:17:39.736
plan to begin with and fitness equipment

01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.760
was among the top four improvements the

01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.135
community would like to see at this

01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:45.976
location. So, I think that there is some

01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.376
support there um for the outdoor fitness

01:17:48.400 --> 01:17:50.695
equipment. So, noting um Council

01:17:50.719 --> 01:17:52.536
Davenport, you're not opposed to the

01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:54.135
fitness equipment per se. It's just

01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:57.159
about the location. Um I would prefer to

01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.576
leave that in the master plan that goes

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.600
out and and and I'm sure you're um very

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:04.856
in touch with your community and can 

01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:07.175
get them to contribute to the

01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.336
consultation process to tell us what

01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:11.655
they think. So on the whole I think

01:18:11.679 --> 01:18:13.816
councilors we should not support

01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.135
items one and two but definitely support

01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.159
three.

01:18:21.360 --> 01:18:23.416
Thank you councelor Simpson. Are there

01:18:23.440 --> 01:18:25.496
any further speakers to the motion?

01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:26.135
Yes ma'am.

01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:27.096
Councelor Gun.

01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:30.120
Thank you  Mayor. Um just I am very much

01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.096
in support of endorsing the master plan

01:18:33.120 --> 01:18:35.736
for this area. I think um we've had

01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:37.816
these discussions. I've only been on a

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:39.976
year and a bit. Um but this area

01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.576
certainly is ripe for activation,

01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.376
increased utilization, which I know is a

01:18:44.400 --> 01:18:45.896
priority for all of us around this

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.256
table. So I don't think there's any

01:18:47.280 --> 01:18:49.896
concern around the item passing in

01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.376
general. I think back to my time when

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:54.056
I used to go to Deacon University and

01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:55.256
St. and Leonards were playing out of

01:18:55.280 --> 01:18:57.336
that South Oval and the old pavilion

01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:58.776
that was there and I used to get the

01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:00.776
free parking that was on that side of

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.175
the Holland Avenue as opposed to paying

01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:04.856
for parking within Diggan University.

01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:06.135
I'm sure that probably still happens

01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:08.215
with students today. Um, of course, if

01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.175
they're not attending online. I do

01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.576
have concerns regarding item two and

01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.135
you'll recall when I spoke in favor of

01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.695
our reconciliation action plan last year

01:19:18.719 --> 01:19:21.719
that the gardener creek or Kuon Coot 

01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.096
was a place that I played in as a child

01:19:25.120 --> 01:19:27.256
and I know that there were contributing

01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:29.416
waterways that linked into that 

01:19:29.440 --> 01:19:31.256
that are now covered over that we no

01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:34.280
longer have the story for that were

01:19:35.360 --> 01:19:37.175
done yabbying in those creeks and that

01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:39.175
they were important elements of the

01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.199
history of that um that waterway. So, I

01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:45.016
wouldn't be in favor of removing or

01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:47.256
transposing those signs anywhere else. I

01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:48.536
think it's important that they are seen

01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:49.976
and they are visualized by the

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.000
community. acknowledging the long

01:19:53.679 --> 01:19:56.215
history of the use of this area, um

01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:57.976
predating it as an education

01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.976
institution, predating it as what will

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.135
potentially be a highly utilized sports

01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.296
precinct as well is really important.

01:20:04.320 --> 01:20:07.320
And I I think I won't be in support

01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:10.376
of item item two on this agenda. I've

01:20:10.400 --> 01:20:13.256
got an open mind on one and three. 

01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:14.616
that's all I have to say at this point.

01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:16.616
 Mayor, please support me in voting

01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:19.640
against item two. Councilors,

01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:21.336
thank you councelor Gun. Are there any

01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:24.360
further speakers to the motion?

01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:28.280
Given that we will now put the motion in

01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:32.040
parts. So the first one is 10.1 item one

01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.880
part one which is the council endorses

01:20:38.480 --> 01:20:41.480
item one.

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:44.616
Is that up there? Okay. So those who are

01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:47.640
in favor of part one please hold your

01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.215
hands up. Councelor Weller, councelor

01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.936
Gun, councelor Simpson, councelor

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.856
Langford, councelor Barker, councelor

01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:56.936
Stennet and councelor Martin. Those

01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.960
against part one.

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.376
Sorry, councelor Griffith, you wish to

01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:02.776
comment.

01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:04.376
I was going to call a division, but I

01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:06.056
can wait.

01:21:06.080 --> 01:21:08.536
Those against

01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.560
councelor Davenport,

01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:12.776
the

01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:13.416
division

01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.736
first part is move division.

01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.135
Well, seeking clarification on what

01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.536
we're voting on. So part one the council

01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:22.936
endorses the draft Bennett reserve

01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:25.655
master plan point because if part one

01:21:25.679 --> 01:21:28.679
gets up then those other three just dead

01:21:29.280 --> 01:21:31.336
because it's just

01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:32.456
there's no point is it

01:21:32.480 --> 01:21:35.480
I was correct so it's part it's 10.1

01:21:35.679 --> 01:21:37.336
item one is the first one

01:21:37.360 --> 01:21:38.936
where the middle of it in the middle of

01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:39.816
the sentence

01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.736
yeah but it's blank how can it stand

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.416
alone

01:21:43.440 --> 01:21:45.175
okay councilors I do agree with

01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:47.496
councelor Grizz it should be 10.1 item

01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.096
one is the first thing that we're voting

01:21:49.120 --> 01:21:52.120
for

01:21:53.120 --> 01:21:56.120
stand corrected.

01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:02.920
As we're voting on this item or this

01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.416
this motion in parts, we're now going to

01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:08.440
vote on item one. Part one, item one.

01:22:08.719 --> 01:22:10.776
Those in favor,

01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.695
councelor Griffith, councelor Gun,

01:22:12.719 --> 01:22:15.719
councelor Davenport, Councelor Simpson,

01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.416
councelor Langford, councelor Barker,

01:22:17.440 --> 01:22:20.440
and councelor Stennet. Those against,

01:22:20.480 --> 01:22:22.936
councelor Weller, councelor Cutz,

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.736
councelor Griff, counselor Martin

01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.760
Simpson division. Those in favor,

01:22:29.679 --> 01:22:32.056
councelor Griffith, councelor Davenport,

01:22:32.080 --> 01:22:33.976
councelor Langford, councelor Barker,

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.000
councelor Stemmit. Those against,

01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.816
councelor Weller, councelor Gun,

01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.376
councelor Simpson,

01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:45.336
councelor Katz, and councelor Martin. So

01:22:45.360 --> 01:22:47.896
we have an even

01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:50.776
thing. So I will vote in favor of number

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:53.016
one.

01:22:53.040 --> 01:22:56.040
So that part one is now moved. We will

01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.880
now vote in in item 10.1

01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:04.360
part number two

01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.536
which is to remove the proposed signage

01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.560
elements reference draft master plan as

01:23:12.080 --> 01:23:15.080
P3 and P4. Those in favor council

01:23:16.480 --> 01:23:18.695
Davenport, Councelor Barker, councelor

01:23:18.719 --> 01:23:21.719
Stenett. Those against councelor Weller,

01:23:22.080 --> 01:23:24.695
councelor Griffith, councelor Gun,

01:23:24.719 --> 01:23:26.936
councelor Stennet, councelor Lenford,

01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.816
councelor Cutz, and councelor Martin. So

01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:32.840
part two is moved. We will now vote in

01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:35.016
defeated.

01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:37.736
Sorry. Sorry, it's defeated.

01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.760
We will now vote on 10.1 part three,

01:23:42.639 --> 01:23:44.695
which is to remove references to the

01:23:44.719 --> 01:23:46.776
potential funding sources of the draft

01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:49.800
master plan. Those in favor council

01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.520
is it's unanimous. So I declare part

01:23:55.280 --> 01:23:58.280
three moved.

01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:17.000
We should now see what has been moved on

01:24:17.679 --> 01:24:20.679
the screen.

01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:29.400
Parts one and three.

01:24:58.480 --> 01:25:01.016
It's just for clarity.

01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:03.336
Okay. So, for clarity, we've now moved

01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:06.360
all of what's on the screen um for 10.1.

01:25:07.440 --> 01:25:09.496
Is everyone any questions? Everyone

01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.520
comfortable with that? Just checking in.

01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.560
All right, let's move on to item 10.2.

01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:23.159
which is the contract 30315

01:25:23.360 --> 01:25:26.296
and contract 30320

01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:28.776
extension and pro provision of landfill

01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.256
services. Could I have a counselor move

01:25:31.280 --> 01:25:32.135
this motion?

01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:33.096
I'll move.

01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:35.736
Thank you councelor Martin. Second

01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:36.376
second.

01:25:36.400 --> 01:25:37.816
Thank you councelor Weller. Councelor

01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:39.175
Martin.

01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:42.199
Thank you  Mayor. Um tonight I'll be

01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:45.175
speaking about regarding item 10.26

01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.016
286 council's approval to extend

01:25:47.040 --> 01:25:50.040
contracts 30315 and 30320 for the pro

01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:53.976
provision of landfill services through

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:55.976
the DECA administered collective

01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:57.896
procurement arrangement and at the

01:25:57.920 --> 01:25:59.896
moment this arrangement probably takes

01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:02.456
lots of soft plastics to our landfill.

01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:05.480
Um as we recognize landfill disposal

01:26:05.679 --> 01:26:07.096
remains an essential service for

01:26:07.120 --> 01:26:09.416
council. It undermines underpins our

01:26:09.440 --> 01:26:11.336
curbside garbage collection and the

01:26:11.360 --> 01:26:13.175
operation of White Horse Recycling and

01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.199
Waste Center. until advanced waste

01:26:16.400 --> 01:26:17.976
processing becomes available later in

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.976
this decade, which we know is coming up,

01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.816
council must ensure that residual waste

01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:24.056
can be disposed of safely, legally, and

01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:27.080
obviously good value for our residents.

01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:28.936
The contract before us was originally

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.175
approved in 2021 under the Metropolitan

01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:32.936
Wide Procurement led by the 

01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.016
Metropolitan Waste and Resource Recovery

01:26:35.040 --> 01:26:38.040
Group and is now administered by DECA.

01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.695
Um the purpose of that arrangement was

01:26:40.719 --> 01:26:42.615
to aggregate the waste volumes across

01:26:42.639 --> 01:26:44.936
councils into into order to secure

01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:47.576
reliable access to landfill facilities

01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:49.736
which is important and also

01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.416
significantly lower gate fees than

01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:53.175
individual councils could achieve alone.

01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.199
So that that logic still holds today.

01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.016
as councils get that collective

01:26:59.040 --> 01:27:00.695
purchasing.

01:27:00.719 --> 01:27:02.536
Um so council officers working with deco

01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:03.816
and other participating council have

01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:05.016
reviewed the performance of the

01:27:05.040 --> 01:27:06.856
contractors and negotiated revised

01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:08.296
pricing for a further two years

01:27:08.320 --> 01:27:11.320
extension from the 1st of April 27 to

01:27:11.360 --> 01:27:14.360
31st of March 29. Um importantly all

01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:16.215
correctors all contractors have met

01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:18.456
performance expectations around site

01:27:18.480 --> 01:27:20.135
availability, access and turnaround

01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:23.159
times and all facilities importantly

01:27:23.440 --> 01:27:25.416
continue to meet EPA licensing

01:27:25.440 --> 01:27:28.440
requirements. The recommendation also

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:30.936
transparently acknowledges the changing

01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.736
landfill landscape. So as we know the it

01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:35.416
mentioned in the report that the Hampton

01:27:35.440 --> 01:27:38.440
Land Park landfill has limited capacity

01:27:38.719 --> 01:27:40.615
can only commit through to the June

01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:43.639
2027s. So our officers are planning for

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:47.096
that transition and can council will be

01:27:47.120 --> 01:27:50.120
updated with a report if we need

01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:52.615
alternative arrangements.

01:27:52.639 --> 01:27:54.856
Um but if we went down the alternative

01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:56.215
arrangements and just did this

01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:58.056
procurement by ourselves in a highly

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.135
constrained landfall market we

01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:02.776
wouldn't get the benefit of these um the

01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.936
rates that we get you know aggregating

01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:07.016
the um the arrangement we have with

01:28:07.040 --> 01:28:10.040
other councils. Um so the it's these are

01:28:11.280 --> 01:28:14.280
big dollars. Um and look we are as we

01:28:14.400 --> 01:28:15.896
know with the council we're expanding

01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.736
our foggo and we're we're expanding our

01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.760
recycling. Um but the reality is waste

01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.175
volumes are still huge and they are

01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:24.936
growing. So we we're trying to reduce

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.736
that. So this this contract sort of

01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:30.760
extends the continuity for council

01:28:31.040 --> 01:28:33.655
um as we work towards our southeast

01:28:33.679 --> 01:28:35.576
metropolitan advanced waste processing

01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.600
contract um scheduled for 29. So this is

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:40.615
really just a bridging arrangement for

01:28:40.639 --> 01:28:43.336
that. So for these reasons  Mayor I put

01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:45.736
this u report forward for council. Thank

01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.896
you.

01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:48.936
Thank you.

01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:50.536
Thank you councelor Martin. Councelor

01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:51.256
Weller.

01:28:51.280 --> 01:28:53.416
Thank you  Mayor. as mentioned this

01:28:53.440 --> 01:28:55.576
report recommends that council extend

01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.816
its participation in the collective

01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.896
procurement arrangement for landfill

01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.536
services administered by DECA. This

01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.175
arrangement has been in place since 2021

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:08.056
and involves 11 metropolitan councils

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:10.695
working together to secure reliable

01:29:10.719 --> 01:29:13.655
cost-effective landfill services.

01:29:13.679 --> 01:29:15.736
At its core, this is about ensuring that

01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:17.976
we can continue to responsibly manage

01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:20.135
the waste collected from our curbside

01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:22.456
bins and from the White Horse recycling

01:29:22.480 --> 01:29:25.336
and waste center. These are essential

01:29:25.360 --> 01:29:27.336
services that our community relies on

01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:28.776
and they must operate without

01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:30.296
interruption.

01:29:30.320 --> 01:29:32.536
The proposal is to extend the existing

01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.776
contracts for a further 2 years from

01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:37.800
April 2027 to March 2029. This includes

01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:41.416
the common gate fee arrangement for

01:29:41.440 --> 01:29:43.576
curbside garbage delivered through

01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.536
cleanway and violia and the disposal of

01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:48.456
waste from our recycling and waste

01:29:48.480 --> 01:29:50.536
center through H Highleberg materials

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:53.496
and cleanway. Violia's component is

01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.520
limited to June 2027 because of the

01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:58.695
planned closure of their landfill and

01:29:58.719 --> 01:30:01.016
officers will bring back further advice

01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:04.040
if any adjustments are required. This

01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:06.296
collective procurement model continues

01:30:06.320 --> 01:30:09.016
to deliver strong value for money. By

01:30:09.040 --> 01:30:11.336
aggregating waste volumes across

01:30:11.360 --> 01:30:13.576
multiple councils, we secure lower

01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:15.655
disposal rates than we could achieve on

01:30:15.679 --> 01:30:18.376
our own. All participating landfill

01:30:18.400 --> 01:30:20.856
sites meet EPA requirements and all

01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:22.776
contractors have consistently met

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:24.776
performance standards for access,

01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:27.736
turnaround times, and availability.

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.736
While we are working hard to increase

01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.296
recycling and foggo diversion, the

01:30:32.320 --> 01:30:34.456
reality is that total waste volumes

01:30:34.480 --> 01:30:37.480
continue to grow. Landfilling remains a

01:30:37.679 --> 01:30:39.896
necessary part of our waste system until

01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:42.296
the advanced waste processing contract

01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:44.776
commences in 2029.

01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.800
This extension ensures we have a stable,

01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:50.135
compliant, and cost-effective pathway

01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.615
through that transition.

01:30:52.639 --> 01:30:55.016
As councelor Martin mentioned, the

01:30:55.040 --> 01:30:57.336
financial implications are significant

01:30:57.360 --> 01:31:00.215
as outlined in the report too, but are

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:01.896
accounted for through the waist service

01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:04.135
charge and gate fees and importantly

01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:07.096
with no changes to service levels. The

01:31:07.120 --> 01:31:08.936
recommendation is a practical,

01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.175
responsible, and necessary step to

01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.816
maintain continuity of service and meet

01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:15.736
our responsibilities under the White

01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.615
Horse Waste Management Strategy while we

01:31:18.639 --> 01:31:21.096
prepare for the next generation of waste

01:31:21.120 --> 01:31:23.256
processing infrastructure. I support

01:31:23.280 --> 01:31:25.655
this approach.

01:31:25.679 --> 01:31:27.096
Thank you, Councelor Willa. Are there

01:31:27.120 --> 01:31:28.936
any further speech motion? Thank you,

01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:30.215
Councelor Barker.

01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.695
I'd like to um I'd like to bring to your

01:31:32.719 --> 01:31:34.296
attention,  Mayor, and I know you would

01:31:34.320 --> 01:31:36.856
have paid attention to it. is the amount

01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:39.655
of landfill levy that is being imposed

01:31:39.679 --> 01:31:42.456
on the decent hardworking rate payers of

01:31:42.480 --> 01:31:45.416
White Horse.

01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:48.440
$65 million over the course of this

01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.960
nearly $8 million a year. The contract

01:31:52.480 --> 01:31:55.336
charges of 30 million bucks, but the

01:31:55.360 --> 01:31:57.816
taxes levied on landfill by the state

01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.840
government amount to

01:32:01.120 --> 01:32:02.776
$65

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.456
million.

01:32:04.480 --> 01:32:07.096
It's over double the contract amount.

01:32:07.120 --> 01:32:10.120
Now, if this was somehow boomeranging

01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.560
back to people in terms of better waste

01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:17.400
services or investment in advanced waste

01:32:17.679 --> 01:32:20.456
processing, I could get that. But that

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:23.480
is an incredible impost on households

01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:26.760
and it's just another hidden state tax

01:32:28.639 --> 01:32:30.936
to fund one of the worst state

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.175
governments in the history of this great

01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:34.776
nation.

01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:37.175
It is a disgrace.

01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.199
$65 million. And of course, we then

01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:41.896
added onto the bottom of the rates as

01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:43.896
part of the the waste levy cuz there'd

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:45.496
be no way that this place would be

01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:48.520
financially sustainable if it didn't.

01:32:49.679 --> 01:32:51.096
Let that sink in for a minute.

01:32:51.120 --> 01:32:54.120
Councilors,

01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.776
households that are facing inflation,

01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.856
interest rates are now facing 8 million

01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.880
bucks worth of extra costs for a tax.

01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:04.936
I'm sending rubbish to landfill. And you

01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:06.456
know what the thing that I find really

01:33:06.480 --> 01:33:08.936
disturbing about this is how diligent

01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.936
people are about it. You know, people

01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:13.336
are really very diligent about using

01:33:13.360 --> 01:33:16.056
fog. And good good luck to them. People

01:33:16.080 --> 01:33:17.496
are really aware of it. And I think

01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:20.215
you'd know that, man. I'm sure you do.

01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:22.456
And the other thing that it brings me to

01:33:22.480 --> 01:33:24.695
are the unintended consequences of these

01:33:24.719 --> 01:33:27.096
cruel taxes from this failed Labor state

01:33:27.120 --> 01:33:29.336
government. Because what it does is it

01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:32.360
means that people are dumping rubbish on

01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:34.056
because

01:33:34.080 --> 01:33:35.896
the point of order may thank you

01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:37.096
councelor cuts.

01:33:37.120 --> 01:33:40.120
Um as councilors we are meant to be

01:33:41.040 --> 01:33:43.256
respectful and I find comments from you

01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:46.056
councelor bark very disrespectful

01:33:46.080 --> 01:33:47.976
and I don't I think we should be above

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:49.256
that. Thank you

01:33:49.280 --> 01:33:51.096
 Mayor. The comments were directed at an

01:33:51.120 --> 01:33:53.976
organization not an individual. So this

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.056
is the unintended consequence. I you

01:33:56.080 --> 01:33:58.296
know I whilst I I despise illegal

01:33:58.320 --> 01:34:00.056
rubbish dumping and a lot of people know

01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:02.296
I spend a lot of time on snaps in solve.

01:34:02.320 --> 01:34:04.456
I can understand why it happens when it

01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:07.480
costs $150 to take a bootload of rubbish

01:34:07.679 --> 01:34:09.736
to the tip. What do you expect people to

01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.135
do? They're going to substitute. They're

01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:13.655
going to find cheaper substitutes,

01:34:13.679 --> 01:34:15.576
aren't they? Councelor Davenport, one of

01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.336
the city's leading public intellectuals,

01:34:17.360 --> 01:34:19.655
is nodding along. And that's what

01:34:19.679 --> 01:34:21.336
happens. And that's why it affects our

01:34:21.360 --> 01:34:23.896
city because we want to, you know,

01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:25.736
imagine a single parent has got some

01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:26.856
rubbish they need to get rid of. They

01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:28.296
can't afford to take it to the tip.

01:34:28.320 --> 01:34:29.496
Okay, they've done their two hard

01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:30.936
rubbish collections. They're now

01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:32.296
depending on neighbors. Hey, can I put

01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:34.536
my broken umbrella on your hard rubbish?

01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:36.936
You know, let's be fair income about the

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.695
costs here. This is absolutely

01:34:38.719 --> 01:34:40.695
outrageous. We have to support it though

01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:43.719
because we've got no other option.

01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:45.576
Are there any further speakers to the

01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:46.135
motion?

01:34:46.159 --> 01:34:47.096
Yes,  Mayor.

01:34:47.120 --> 01:34:48.056
Councelor Simpson.

01:34:48.080 --> 01:34:50.056
Thank you,  Mayor. And I too would like

01:34:50.080 --> 01:34:52.056
to just talk about the increases in the

01:34:52.080 --> 01:34:54.056
costs and the amount of waste that will

01:34:54.080 --> 01:34:56.536
be disposed on the whole. Um we do have

01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:58.695
to support this motion councilors. Um

01:34:58.719 --> 01:35:01.175
but like councelor Barka I I read in the

01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.256
report and a few things did stand out to

01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:05.655
me and the um the first is that it is

01:35:05.679 --> 01:35:08.376
estimated that between March of last

01:35:08.400 --> 01:35:10.536
year and March of 2029 that the

01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.615
estimated amount of landfill is going

01:35:12.639 --> 01:35:15.639
to go up by 220,000 tons.

01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:18.296
Now, councilors,

01:35:18.320 --> 01:35:20.536
I know we made a decision about our our

01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.776
4-year waste plan, and I'm not going to

01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:25.175
reprosecute the debate,

01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.056
but it is also apparent before us that

01:35:28.080 --> 01:35:30.615
we need to do more to try and divert

01:35:30.639 --> 01:35:32.456
waste away from landfill. And there's

01:35:32.480 --> 01:35:34.615
two reasons for that. The first is the

01:35:34.639 --> 01:35:37.336
growth that's estimated in landfill or

01:35:37.360 --> 01:35:39.976
waste to landfill in this report not

01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.576
only does have a significant economic

01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.600
cost. It's approximately 15 $50 million

01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.416
over that 4year period and as councelor

01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:50.135
Barker outlined the levies almost double

01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:53.159
in that in that 4-year period.

01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.175
Um but it's also the environmental

01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:57.655
impact. Um, we know greenhouse gas from

01:35:57.679 --> 01:36:00.536
from methane that's produced in landfill

01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:01.896
um has significant environmental

01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:03.655
consequences

01:36:03.679 --> 01:36:06.536
and whilst council Barker may disagree

01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.456
with the levies um that the state

01:36:08.480 --> 01:36:11.480
government set it is a classic market

01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.840
mechanism. It's designed to make people

01:36:15.040 --> 01:36:18.040
want to change their behavior and as a

01:36:18.639 --> 01:36:21.016
as a economic liberalist I'm sure

01:36:21.040 --> 01:36:23.896
council Barker would understand that.

01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:25.096
But the problem is is we've got to

01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:27.016
provide that alternative and this is

01:36:27.040 --> 01:36:29.256
where the the rubber hits the road for

01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:31.336
us counselors.

01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:33.576
Um now we have made a decision about our

01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:35.336
waste strategy for the next four

01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:37.976
years. But in that debate we did talk

01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:39.655
about the need to help the community

01:36:39.679 --> 01:36:41.655
understand the need to devote waste away

01:36:41.679 --> 01:36:43.416
from landfill. We talked about the need

01:36:43.440 --> 01:36:45.576
to help educate them on the benefits of

01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:47.976
a FOGO program and hopefully if we do

01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.496
get soft plastics recycling off the

01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:51.416
ground that'll be another avenue and so

01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:54.296
on and so forth. But on the whole um we

01:36:54.320 --> 01:36:57.175
can't control the levies that the

01:36:57.199 --> 01:36:59.256
state government charge us but what we

01:36:59.280 --> 01:37:01.256
can help to try to control is the amount

01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:03.175
of waste that gets sent to landfill. So

01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:04.536
there is a responsibility there

01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:06.456
councilors. So on the whole we do need

01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:08.376
to support this motion but I think

01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:10.615
there's another lesson there for us in

01:37:10.639 --> 01:37:13.016
this report about how we need to

01:37:13.040 --> 01:37:15.655
interact with the waste issue and how we

01:37:15.679 --> 01:37:17.736
get meaningful outcomes for our

01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.760
residents.

01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:22.695
Are there any other further speakers to

01:37:22.719 --> 01:37:25.719
the motion?

01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:29.175
I will now put the motion. Please keep

01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:30.936
your hands up as I and I'll call your

01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:33.960
names. All those in favor,

01:37:34.400 --> 01:37:36.695
the motion is passed unanimously. I

01:37:36.719 --> 01:37:39.719
declare the motion carried.

01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:46.840
We move on to item 10.3. Sale of land

01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:50.856
part or formal laneway adjacent to 25

01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:53.576
Bentley Street, SAR Hills. Could I have

01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:54.936
a counselor move the item?

01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:55.896
Happy to move, May.

01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:58.376
Thank you, councelor Cuts.

01:37:58.400 --> 01:37:59.416
Is there a seconder?

01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:00.456
Happy to second,  Mayor.

01:38:00.480 --> 01:38:03.480
Thank you, councelor Simpson.

01:38:03.679 --> 01:38:05.896
Councelor Cuts.

01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:07.976
Thank you,  Mayor. I wish to speak in

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.135
support of this item, the proposal to

01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:11.896
sell a portion of the former laneway

01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:14.536
adjacent to 25 Bentley Street in Surrey

01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:17.560
Hills. This proposal follows a thorough

01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:20.296
statutory process including assessment

01:38:20.320 --> 01:38:22.135
under the local government act and

01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:24.856
community engagement. The strip of land

01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.655
in question is a narrow unmade former

01:38:27.679 --> 01:38:30.456
laneway approximately 75 square meters

01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:33.480
in area located between 23 and 25

01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:36.520
Bentley Street. It was discontinued as a

01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.695
road some years ago and is not

01:38:38.719 --> 01:38:41.336
reasonably required for public access or

01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:43.256
movement.

01:38:43.280 --> 01:38:46.056
Council's own review has confirmed that

01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:47.816
this section no longer serves a

01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:49.736
practical transport or community

01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.615
function. It is fenced into an adjoining

01:38:52.639 --> 01:38:54.695
property and has limited utility for any

01:38:54.719 --> 01:38:56.536
public purpose now or into the

01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.496
foreseeable future. Importantly,

01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.175
council officers have carried out the

01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.056
required public notification and invited

01:39:04.080 --> 01:39:06.536
community feedback on the proposal.

01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:08.056
Submissions received during the

01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:09.736
consultation period have been considered

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.496
in preparing the recommendation before

01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:13.576
us today.

01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:15.655
The recommendation is that the land be

01:39:15.679 --> 01:39:18.296
sold by private treaty to the adjacent

01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:21.320
property owner for 75,000 dollars plus

01:39:21.360 --> 01:39:24.296
GST. This approach aligns with council's

01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:26.296
property management practices for

01:39:26.320 --> 01:39:28.936
discontinued roads and reflects both the

01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.496
limited public use of the land and the

01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:33.416
long-standing occupation by the

01:39:33.440 --> 01:39:36.135
neighboring property. From a financial

01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:38.615
perspective, selling this surplus parcel

01:39:38.639 --> 01:39:40.536
at market value will return funds to

01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:42.936
council. Those funds can then be

01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:45.016
reinvested into community assets and

01:39:45.040 --> 01:39:47.576
services that deliver clear net benefit

01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:49.976
to residents, supporting the priorities

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:51.976
we've set out in our adopted budget and

01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.695
council plan. I'm mindful of our

01:39:54.719 --> 01:39:56.456
responsibility to manage community

01:39:56.480 --> 01:39:58.296
assets carefully and in the best

01:39:58.320 --> 01:40:00.776
interests of our rate payers. In this

01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:03.336
case, retaining an underused former

01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:05.095
laneway would not deliver meaningful

01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:07.016
community value, whereas the proposed

01:40:07.040 --> 01:40:09.256
sale will achieve an efficient outcome

01:40:09.280 --> 01:40:11.336
while respecting procedural and

01:40:11.360 --> 01:40:13.416
legislative requirements. For these

01:40:13.440 --> 01:40:15.576
reasons, I encourage councilors to

01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:17.256
support the recommendation. Thank you,

01:40:17.280 --> 01:40:18.615
 Mayor.

01:40:18.639 --> 01:40:20.776
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Councelor

01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:21.336
Simpson.

01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:22.296
Thank you,  Mayor. And thank you,

01:40:22.320 --> 01:40:23.976
Councelor Cuts, for your very excellent

01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:26.296
framing of the motion that's before us.

01:40:26.320 --> 01:40:28.536
Um councilors, the main things to note

01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:31.095
is that um we passed a motion in October

01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.056
25 seeking this um report and we've now

01:40:34.080 --> 01:40:36.856
received it. Out of the engagement

01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:38.376
period, there were only eight community

01:40:38.400 --> 01:40:39.736
comments that were received in

01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.095
relation to this and none of those were

01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:43.095
objecting to this proposal. So on the

01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.456
whole council, there's absolutely no

01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:45.976
reason to oppose this. Please support

01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.496
it.

01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:48.936
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Are there

01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:51.896
any further speakers to this motion?

01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.576
As there are no further speakers, I will

01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:55.336
now put the motion. Please keep your

01:40:55.360 --> 01:40:58.296
hands near and as I call your names for

01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:01.320
those in favor.

01:41:02.400 --> 01:41:05.400
The the unanimous I now declare the

01:41:05.679 --> 01:41:08.679
motion carried.

01:41:13.280 --> 01:41:16.280
We now move on to item

01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:19.655
10.4.

01:41:19.679 --> 01:41:21.256
 Mayor, I'd like to move with an

01:41:21.280 --> 01:41:23.095
amendment.

01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:26.119
Councelor Griffith,

01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.376
can you please put the amendment as can

01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:29.655
you explain the amendment as that's put

01:41:29.679 --> 01:41:31.336
onto the screen? Thank you.

01:41:31.360 --> 01:41:34.360
Yes, I can. One is a minor modification

01:41:34.639 --> 01:41:37.639
to the S6 instrument that is um that

01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:41.655
a counselor can only call in an

01:41:41.679 --> 01:41:44.056
application after making a valid

01:41:44.080 --> 01:41:47.080
planning or legal ground case.

01:41:48.400 --> 01:41:51.400
part two changes the trigger for a

01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:54.056
planning consultation for 10

01:41:54.080 --> 01:41:55.576
objectors

01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:58.376
other than deemed to comply. Part three

01:41:58.400 --> 01:42:01.400
is about seeking a report on 

01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:04.695
different ways of doing doing things

01:42:04.719 --> 01:42:07.655
that would normally come to a counsel

01:42:07.679 --> 01:42:09.736
for a decision after reaching a trigger

01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:11.976
of certain number of objectors.

01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.056
Thank you councelor Griffith. Will

01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:17.080
someone please second the motion?

01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:18.615
For the purpose of debate, I'm more than

01:42:18.639 --> 01:42:19.655
happy to second.

01:42:19.679 --> 01:42:21.496
Councelor Gun, Councelor Griffith.

01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:23.576
, thanks ma'am. Thanks, Council G. I

01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.215
often wonder if the God we pray to at

01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:27.655
the start of the meeting is listening

01:42:27.679 --> 01:42:30.679
and today maybe just a little bit. Um,

01:42:32.480 --> 01:42:34.056
I find planning applications,

01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:35.336
particularly the ones that come to

01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:37.095
cancel, some of the most chAllanging

01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:39.576
because we're trying to there's a range

01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:41.976
of pressures on us as counselors. We

01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.536
also need to take into account the wider

01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.560
planning process and appeal process too.

01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:49.655
And what I found, I tried to get some

01:42:49.679 --> 01:42:51.496
information from officers about how

01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:52.936
things can be done better. And what I

01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.960
learned was every time an issue a

01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.936
planning application has come to council

01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:00.936
and council's refused it against the

01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:02.615
officer's recommendation, it's gone to

01:43:02.639 --> 01:43:05.016
VCAP.

01:43:05.040 --> 01:43:06.936
Every case that has gone to VCAT

01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.336
followed through the process has been

01:43:09.360 --> 01:43:11.256
upheld the council recommendation. And

01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:13.416
so what's happened?

01:43:13.440 --> 01:43:16.056
Matt's come to council. There's certain

01:43:16.080 --> 01:43:17.896
pressures on counselors to look like

01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:20.376
heroes in front of in front of the

01:43:20.400 --> 01:43:23.336
objectors. I understand that experience

01:43:23.360 --> 01:43:26.360
from being in the role. But what process

01:43:26.639 --> 01:43:29.095
can we have in place that delivers the

01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.175
best planning outcomes for the city of

01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:32.936
White Horse?

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:35.256
So it's about not giving people false

01:43:35.280 --> 01:43:38.215
hope with a council meeting outcome.

01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:41.016
It's about minimizing council's costs of

01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:43.095
going to VCAT. Tens of thousands of

01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.496
dollars every time. That's what part

01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:47.976
three seeks to do.

01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.695
Other jurisdictions across the country

01:43:50.719 --> 01:43:53.016
do things differently. Western Australia

01:43:53.040 --> 01:43:56.040
is one that goes for 3A, a panel

01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.896
approach. The advice we've received as

01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:01.896
counselors is that we don't need to do

01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:04.856
that, but it's widely considered that is

01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:07.576
the best approach to do. Other councils

01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:09.655
in Victoria also go beyond what their

01:44:09.679 --> 01:44:12.615
legislated requirements are. So I'm

01:44:12.639 --> 01:44:14.776
asking for a report. What is the best

01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:16.695
way of doing this compared to our

01:44:16.719 --> 01:44:19.719
current approach?

01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.760
I'll speak to part one AI next. At the

01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.456
moment a counselor can call in any

01:44:26.480 --> 01:44:28.536
planning application, bring it to a

01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:30.536
council meeting. So regardless of how

01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:33.560
many objectors, maybe none,

01:44:34.400 --> 01:44:36.296
there's a risk there that we'll also

01:44:36.320 --> 01:44:38.296
have the same problem. The matter can be

01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:41.095
appealed at VCAT, overturned, cost to a

01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:43.336
council. The objectors that are

01:44:43.360 --> 01:44:45.816
celebrated can celebrate no more at a

01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:47.976
future date and often don't even turn up

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.856
at the VCAT hearing.

01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:53.880
So what part AI attempts to do is save

01:44:54.719 --> 01:44:56.936
council some money.

01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.175
And I also think we should be educating

01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:01.416
the objectors as well of what is the

01:45:01.440 --> 01:45:04.056
role that council plays and what is the

01:45:04.080 --> 01:45:07.080
role of the appeal process. So at the

01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:08.615
moment councilors can call in

01:45:08.639 --> 01:45:11.496
applications because they feel pressure

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.520
without valid planning or legal concern.

01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:18.376
the risk there is say council

01:45:18.400 --> 01:45:21.400
recommendation is to not grant a permit

01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:24.215
and we suddenly do they could perhaps

01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:25.736
start up a business start up their

01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:27.256
activity

01:45:27.280 --> 01:45:28.936
somebody could take them to VCAT and

01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:30.456
destroy their business after they've

01:45:30.480 --> 01:45:32.615
invested everything in potentially could

01:45:32.639 --> 01:45:34.536
ruin their lives we shouldn't be putting

01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.560
people at that risk that's my personal

01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.135
view

01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:42.296
so counselors I want you to reflect on

01:45:42.320 --> 01:45:45.320
that every time council has made a

01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:47.095
decision on a planning application

01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:48.695
that's reached the trigger to come to

01:45:48.719 --> 01:45:51.719
us, it has gone to VCAT.

01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:54.056
Every time it's gone to VCAT, proceeded

01:45:54.080 --> 01:45:56.936
through the process to the very end, VCA

01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.736
has upheld the council officer

01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:01.416
recommendation. So, it's been

01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:02.936
overturned.

01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:05.896
We shouldn't be designing a process that

01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.695
does this. It's not the process should

01:46:08.719 --> 01:46:11.175
not be about it's a very I recognize

01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:13.576
it's a difficult cell

01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:16.600
want to reduce councelor's authority

01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:18.936
reduce their chance of being reelectable

01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:20.695
and celebrated by the objectors

01:46:20.719 --> 01:46:23.576
temporarily

01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.576
and what I'm seeking is the best

01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:27.576
planning outcome for the city of white

01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:29.655
horse and there's another risk we

01:46:29.679 --> 01:46:31.496
learned from operation sandon that this

01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:33.655
is a very high corruption risk area for

01:46:33.679 --> 01:46:35.496
councilors can call in any planning

01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:37.416
application they

01:46:37.440 --> 01:46:39.816
Some of the alternative approaches aim

01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:41.576
to reduce that corruption risk at

01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:43.976
counselors.

01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.296
So counselors, I want you to reflect on

01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:48.456
current process we have in place. Is it

01:46:48.480 --> 01:46:50.536
the best way of doing things? Is there

01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:52.776
another alternative? That's what part

01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.336
three seeks to do. I imagine many

01:46:55.360 --> 01:46:57.016
counselors will talk about deem to

01:46:57.040 --> 01:46:59.336
comply and community consultation and

01:46:59.360 --> 01:47:00.856
hearing from the community and

01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.336
strengthening the community's voice.

01:47:03.360 --> 01:47:06.360
I'll I'll leave others to do that.

01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.856
Please reflect on the current approach

01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:13.016
to approving planning applications. Ask

01:47:13.040 --> 01:47:15.576
yourselves, is there a better way or are

01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:17.496
we going to accept

01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:19.175
this is the way we've always done things

01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:22.199
at council or we going to look at other

01:47:22.639 --> 01:47:25.639
things, other ways of doing things.

01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:28.615
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Councelor

01:47:28.639 --> 01:47:30.296
Gum.

01:47:30.320 --> 01:47:32.056
I think it's always helpful to hear

01:47:32.080 --> 01:47:33.976
councelor Griffith's opinion. So I I I

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.215
certainly encouraged I wanted to hear

01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:38.135
his his views on this matter rather than

01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.376
letting the item lapse. Having heard his

01:47:40.400 --> 01:47:42.615
views, I don't know where I stand on

01:47:42.639 --> 01:47:44.695
this one. So I'm very keen to hear other

01:47:44.719 --> 01:47:47.719
people's points on this as well.

01:47:48.080 --> 01:47:50.536
I I feel as though

01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:53.560
I I want to know firstly item item I

01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:58.119
one AI I feel as though is

01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:02.376
has merit and if this doesn't pass it

01:48:02.400 --> 01:48:04.615
could be considered for the substantive.

01:48:04.639 --> 01:48:06.056
I think it should be considered for the

01:48:06.080 --> 01:48:07.655
substantive.

01:48:07.679 --> 01:48:10.135
having said that I I don't have a

01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:11.816
firm opinion on that at this point in

01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.840
time. I do wonder this is a

01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:17.896
delegation. Forgive me if I'm wrong. 

01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:20.615
 Mayor  Mayor sorry CEO that comes to

01:48:20.639 --> 01:48:22.536
us every year would that be correct CEO

01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:25.496
to nod thank you um so I do want to know

01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.520
whether officers do consider alternate

01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:30.615
ways of reviewing their processes by

01:48:30.639 --> 01:48:33.639
themselves or whether it does take a

01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:35.976
seeking a report from us for that

01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.135
consideration to come forward because if

01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:39.655
it if it is working in other

01:48:39.679 --> 01:48:42.456
jurisdictions and it does remove the

01:48:42.480 --> 01:48:45.480
potential risk of um operation sand and

01:48:46.480 --> 01:48:49.095
the like of that of that risk. Then I I

01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:51.175
do hope that officers do consider that

01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:52.856
when they bring forward the motions to

01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:55.880
us for delegation of this authority. So

01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:58.135
I am very keen to hear the the views of

01:48:58.159 --> 01:48:59.896
my colleagues here. I don't have a fixed

01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:01.816
opinion but I do certainly welcome

01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:03.496
councelor Griffith's contribution to

01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:05.736
this debate.

01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:06.215
 Mayor,

01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:07.336
thank you. Councelor Garner, are there

01:49:07.360 --> 01:49:08.776
any further speakers?

01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:10.056
I have a question. Councelor Simpson,

01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:12.456
you have a question. Um,

01:49:12.480 --> 01:49:13.976
councelor Griffith made the assertion

01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.376
that every time we go to VCAT, we lose.

01:49:16.400 --> 01:49:17.736
I'd like to know if that's correct,

01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:18.695
please.

01:49:18.719 --> 01:49:21.256
Um, I'd pass the question to you. ,

01:49:21.280 --> 01:49:24.280
Jeff Green, please.

01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:28.615
Thank you,  Mayor. So, the data that

01:49:28.639 --> 01:49:30.695
councilor Griff is is referring to is

01:49:30.719 --> 01:49:32.536
what I would say very small snapshot. I

01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:34.776
think it was over the last 12 or so

01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:36.296
months and only related to I think from

01:49:36.320 --> 01:49:39.016
memory about three or four applications.

01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:41.655
Sorry. Okay. But it relates to three or

01:49:41.679 --> 01:49:44.679
four applications.

01:49:46.480 --> 01:49:49.175
Thank you, Mr. Green. Any further

01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:50.215
speakers?

01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:51.816
I'll wait in May.

01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:52.615
Council Barker.

01:49:52.639 --> 01:49:55.095
Thank you,  Mayor. Um,

01:49:55.119 --> 01:49:58.119
thank Dr. Griffith for this. Um, make a

01:49:59.440 --> 01:50:01.655
couple of comments.

01:50:01.679 --> 01:50:03.175
Generally, the size of the planning

01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:06.199
applications that have become before us

01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:09.960
have sunk dramatically. Um my second

01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.560
term of council we

01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:16.695
were involved in numerous planning

01:50:16.719 --> 01:50:18.615
applications where the proposed

01:50:18.639 --> 01:50:21.095
investments of

01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:24.119
2003 300 400 million worth of

01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:27.095
applications. These were massive

01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:30.119
applications. 52story mixed use

01:50:31.040 --> 01:50:33.336
apartment commercial dwellings with

01:50:33.360 --> 01:50:36.360
multiple other buildings. Um

01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:39.095
30,000 square meters of medical

01:50:39.119 --> 01:50:42.119
consulting stuff. 25 30s story apartment

01:50:43.440 --> 01:50:46.135
buildings. They've all stopped. I don't

01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:48.215
know where they've gone. Probably like

01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:50.215
all inbound investments leaving Victoria

01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:51.896
to go to other places, but we're not

01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:53.976
seeing that. So, I'm not sure of the

01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:55.976
wisdom of necessarily having an

01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:57.496
independent planning panel for someone

01:50:57.520 --> 01:51:00.056
that wants to knock up three three town

01:51:00.080 --> 01:51:02.536
houses in the back box of Blackburn or

01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:05.496
wants to build a pool hall in a former

01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.576
accounting office in Burwood Road in

01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.600
Burwood. So, I'm not sure that um we

01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:14.776
need a hammer to crack these nuts. The

01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:16.615
other point I'd make is that quite

01:51:16.639 --> 01:51:17.896
clearly under the Planning and

01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:20.920
Environment Act, we as the council laws

01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.960
are put in a difficult position,

01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:26.296
but I've personally never had a problem

01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:28.215
with explaining that difficult to

01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:30.536
position to people and being straight

01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:32.936
with people about it that I understand

01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:34.456
their objections, but I have an

01:51:34.480 --> 01:51:36.856
obligation to interpret the Planning and

01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:38.376
Environment Act, to listen to the advice

01:51:38.400 --> 01:51:40.695
that I'm given and apply it. That's

01:51:40.719 --> 01:51:42.536
about not being performative. That's not

01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.016
seeking to be populist with people.

01:51:45.040 --> 01:51:47.896
That's about applying the laws as that

01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:49.816
we as we're given and and interpreting

01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:51.336
them and applying them in the best way

01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:54.056
that we can. It's not about being

01:51:54.080 --> 01:51:56.456
popular. It's not about

01:51:56.480 --> 01:51:58.536
your role as a politician. Your role as

01:51:58.560 --> 01:51:59.896
a politician just means that you're

01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:01.336
sitting on the responsible authority.

01:52:01.360 --> 01:52:03.256
You need to act as a member of the

01:52:03.280 --> 01:52:05.336
responsible authority,

01:52:05.360 --> 01:52:07.016
not as a politician seeking to get

01:52:07.040 --> 01:52:09.095
yourself reelected next time. And I

01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:11.095
think that's probably the problem that's

01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:12.776
plaguing local government across

01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:15.800
Victoria. And I think what happens um is

01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:18.056
it's particularly prevalent with those

01:52:18.080 --> 01:52:19.575
counselors that can't get more than sort

01:52:19.599 --> 01:52:22.215
of 25% of the primary vote. They're

01:52:22.239 --> 01:52:25.239
constantly seeking to sort of, you know,

01:52:25.280 --> 01:52:27.016
ingratiate themselves with other people

01:52:27.040 --> 01:52:28.776
because they're so lacking in

01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:31.336
self-confidence.

01:52:31.360 --> 01:52:33.816
Back yourself. Have honest discussions

01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:35.416
with people because that's what they

01:52:35.440 --> 01:52:37.175
expect. I understand you. You're not

01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:38.215
happy about it. Well, I'm not going to

01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:39.976
vote for you next time. Look, that's

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.776
fine. I have an obligation under the act

01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:44.456
to make the decisions that are in the

01:52:44.480 --> 01:52:47.336
best interest in accordance with the

01:52:47.360 --> 01:52:49.575
with the planning legislation. That's

01:52:49.599 --> 01:52:52.599
that. It's as simple as that. You can't

01:52:52.719 --> 01:52:54.615
outsource it. Councilors.

01:52:54.639 --> 01:52:56.056
Thank you, councelor Barker. Are there

01:52:56.080 --> 01:52:56.936
any further speakers?

01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.960
Yes, ma'am. Coun council stennant may I

01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:04.615
like to if I can foreshadow moving

01:53:04.639 --> 01:53:07.639
back to the substantive if this fails

01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:11.960
um I'd also like to

01:53:13.360 --> 01:53:15.896
try and salvage this but um move an

01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:18.920
amendment um to

01:53:21.679 --> 01:53:23.336
at least

01:53:23.360 --> 01:53:26.360
change 2 to change it to 10 sorry

01:53:27.040 --> 01:53:29.736
five or more objective to properties.

01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:32.760
I move that amendment.

01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.215
Um, councelor Griffith, are you

01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:43.095
supportive of this?

01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:44.536
Yes.

01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:46.296
Councelor,

01:53:46.320 --> 01:53:48.215
who was the second? Councelor Gun.

01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:50.296
Yes.

01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:52.215
Okay.

01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.615
We will now accept that into the

01:53:54.639 --> 01:53:57.639
amendment.

01:53:58.400 --> 01:53:59.655
Yeah.

01:53:59.679 --> 01:54:01.256
Would you like to speak to that, Council

01:54:01.280 --> 01:54:03.816
Stenant?

01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:04.856
That's been accepted.

01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:05.976
Yes.

01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:06.536
Have you?

01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:07.336
So, I don't need to.

01:54:07.360 --> 01:54:08.776
Do you want to speak to the motion?

01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:11.095
Oh, the motion. Sorry. Yes. Um, I would

01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:13.896
also like to move another amendment

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:16.215
um to remove

01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:19.239
um one AI.

01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:27.175
Okay. How would you feel about that?

01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:29.816
Councelor councelor Griffith. No,

01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.816
councelor Gun.

01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:34.695
I was to remove part a

01:54:34.719 --> 01:54:37.175
point of order.  Mayor is is that

01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:39.496
amendment permittable because it it

01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.520
basically is diametrically opposed as an

01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:46.199
amendment to completely remove one of

01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:49.800
the key points of what councelor

01:54:51.040 --> 01:54:53.736
had to say.

01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:56.456
180 degrees different like me me moving

01:54:56.480 --> 01:54:59.480
a refusal after a substantive

01:55:00.080 --> 01:55:03.080
put up just asking the question may

01:55:12.400 --> 01:55:15.400
give me a couple of minutes counselors

01:55:17.440 --> 01:55:20.440
I think the top

01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:26.920
So according to 315

01:55:27.440 --> 01:55:30.440
in the governance um that amendment must

01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:33.800
not directly oppose the motion. So

01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:36.536
my understanding would be that we we

01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:37.976
can't accept that as an amendment.

01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:40.056
You agree that it's directly opposed?

01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:41.416
Yeah, I agree that it's directly

01:55:41.440 --> 01:55:42.776
opposed. So we can't accept that

01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:44.936
amendment. Council standard

01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:46.376
 Mayor

01:55:46.400 --> 01:55:47.336
council man

01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:50.360
question with the why can't we with

01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:54.440
councelor um Griffith's suggestions why

01:55:54.480 --> 01:55:57.175
can't we vote on them in parts

01:55:57.199 --> 01:56:00.199
we can vote on parts part one part two

01:56:00.480 --> 01:56:02.776
and part three

01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:05.800
as in each section but that would then

01:56:06.400 --> 01:56:09.400
include a I it's the only way to do

01:56:13.040 --> 01:56:15.816
Are there any further speakers to the

01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:18.056
motion?

01:56:18.080 --> 01:56:19.736
Sorry, Councelor Simpson, I think it

01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:20.056
was.

01:56:20.080 --> 01:56:22.615
Yes. Thank you,  Mayor. Um, listening to

01:56:22.639 --> 01:56:24.776
the debate councilors and also, you

01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.776
know, intently listening to councelor

01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:28.776
Griffith's moving speech to better

01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.496
understand um why he brought this motion

01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:33.256
to the chamber and I believe he

01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:35.816
genuinely brought it in good faith. Um

01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:37.575
but what this really does go to is the

01:56:37.599 --> 01:56:40.599
heart of representative democracy

01:56:40.719 --> 01:56:42.695
and we are elected councilors to

01:56:42.719 --> 01:56:45.016
represent the will of the people 

01:56:45.040 --> 01:56:48.040
within the sphere of powers that we have

01:56:48.320 --> 01:56:49.816
and so there is always going to be that

01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:50.936
tension and I actually agree with

01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:53.175
council 100%. You know, one of those

01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:55.655
responsibilities is to apply the

01:56:55.679 --> 01:56:58.679
planning scheme as we best see fit. That

01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:00.215
planning scheme also gives broad

01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:02.215
latitude in places and we've seen those

01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:05.239
debates in this place in this term

01:57:05.280 --> 01:57:07.655
and I can think of one specifically in

01:57:07.679 --> 01:57:09.816
my own ward.

01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:11.496
So councilors, we are here to represent

01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:13.256
and because of that you know part of

01:57:13.280 --> 01:57:15.496
that is being transparent. The debates

01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:17.256
are here in this place. There are

01:57:17.280 --> 01:57:19.256
potentially people watching online.

01:57:19.280 --> 01:57:21.976
someone can go back and watch the video.

01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:23.736
Being accountable means being

01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:25.736
transparent. Being representative means

01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.760
being transparent and being accountable.

01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:31.256
So unfortunately councilors I can't

01:57:31.280 --> 01:57:34.215
support this motion in the on the whole.

01:57:34.239 --> 01:57:37.175
I do support 2 and should this motion go

01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:38.615
down even though we are going to vote on

01:57:38.639 --> 01:57:40.936
it in parts apparently um I foreshadow

01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.816
moving the substantive with 2 added

01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:45.416
again.

01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:48.135
Um but councilors, I cannot support

01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:50.215
something that reduces community

01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:52.615
representation.

01:57:52.639 --> 01:57:55.175
Um we we are elected to balance those

01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:57.256
competing tensions and be accountable to

01:57:57.280 --> 01:57:59.336
the public for it. And something

01:57:59.360 --> 01:58:01.575
councelor Griffiths mentioned is he

01:58:01.599 --> 01:58:04.135
wants to seek the best outcome for

01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:05.736
for council and for the community in

01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:08.215
White Horse. And I genuinely believe he

01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:09.896
means that in good faith. But the simple

01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:12.920
question becomes what is best?

01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:15.095
And that's the problem.

01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:17.416
Because residents in my community,

01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:20.135
for example, who have lived there for 

01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:22.936
40, 50, 60 years, don't think it's best

01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:24.856
that suddenly their backyard is now

01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:26.536
overshadowed and they can't grow their

01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:28.376
lawn anymore.

01:58:28.400 --> 01:58:30.456
It's imposing on their standard of

01:58:30.480 --> 01:58:33.480
living. Is that best?

01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:35.816
And that's the really hard thing with

01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:38.456
trying to be just is that when there's

01:58:38.480 --> 01:58:40.856
competing concerns, someone's always

01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:42.135
going to win, someone's always going to

01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:45.159
lose. And so the as as Church Hill, you

01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:47.416
know, famously said, and I know I'm

01:58:47.440 --> 01:58:50.056
paraphrasing him here, but democracy is

01:58:50.080 --> 01:58:52.615
the best of the worst possibilities

01:58:52.639 --> 01:58:54.296
of government.

01:58:54.320 --> 01:58:56.536
We are here to represent the people. We

01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:59.095
are here to be accountable to the people

01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:00.776
and is ultimately the people in a

01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:02.856
utilitarian governmental style like

01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:05.416
democracy that decides what is best. And

01:59:05.440 --> 01:59:07.976
so counselors, I urge you not to support

01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:09.816
um 0.1.

01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:12.776
I would support point 2. Please don't

01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:15.800
support.3.

01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:19.655
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Councelor,

01:59:19.679 --> 01:59:21.816
can I speak to

01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:22.936
the end?

01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:24.296
Any further speakers to the motion?

01:59:24.320 --> 01:59:25.095
Councelor Griff.

01:59:25.119 --> 01:59:25.655
Yes, ma'am.

01:59:25.679 --> 01:59:27.095
Councelor Davenport.

01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:29.736
, yes. Well, thank you. Um, did you

01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:32.056
have a question there or you just making

01:59:32.080 --> 01:59:35.080
a speech? Council Griffith.

01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:37.175
Okay. Well, I'm going to make my speech.

01:59:37.199 --> 01:59:40.199
Thank you. Um, so point A AI is

01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:42.856
something councilors I don't agree with.

01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:44.936
When I first got elected to council, I

01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.816
was told about this winky pop court case

01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:50.056
where council where the outcome was

01:59:50.080 --> 01:59:52.695
councilors had to rock up to a meeting

01:59:52.719 --> 01:59:55.719
with an open mind. What a part I does

01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:00.536
means that I have to go to offices and

02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:03.016
say this is the planning reason I want

02:00:03.040 --> 02:00:04.615
to call something in. Right now I don't

02:00:04.639 --> 02:00:06.615
do any of that. I can keep an open mind.

02:00:06.639 --> 02:00:08.536
reminded us I want heard at a council

02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.560
meeting. AI means that I run at risk if

02:00:12.719 --> 02:00:15.719
I decide to call in an application um to

02:00:16.480 --> 02:00:18.615
express a view that might put my voting

02:00:18.639 --> 02:00:21.416
right in jeopardy. That's a problem for

02:00:21.440 --> 02:00:24.296
me. And then who then decides what a

02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:27.320
valid planning or legal ground is? You

02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:29.736
know, if I just provide one, is that

02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:32.760
acceptable? Not sure. AI is problematic

02:00:33.440 --> 02:00:36.440
because predominantly of that um keeping

02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:39.800
an open mind until you make a decision

02:00:40.639 --> 02:00:43.016
part. So all fair all sides are heard

02:00:43.040 --> 02:00:45.976
fairly. That's the problem with um I I

02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.536
don't support on that basis. Part three

02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:51.560
adds more complexity to the planning um

02:00:52.080 --> 02:00:54.376
decisions. What people in the community

02:00:54.400 --> 02:00:56.135
tell me is they want certainty. The

02:00:56.159 --> 02:00:57.896
investment community want certainty,

02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:00.135
faster decisions. members of the

02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:03.159
community that have objections

02:01:03.280 --> 02:01:05.175
want to have some certainty and not have

02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:07.655
that anxiety hanging over their head for

02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:09.896
a long period of time. Looking at

02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:12.135
independent panels,

02:01:12.159 --> 02:01:15.159
internal review panels adds complexity.

02:01:15.440 --> 02:01:18.215
Now there might be other other models

02:01:18.239 --> 02:01:19.976
part three I don't have a problem with.

02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.615
Bandaraara have have planning committee

02:01:22.639 --> 02:01:24.936
that's a different model. Um you know

02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:27.496
those can be explored but independent

02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:30.520
model probably not. Um and and ones that

02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:33.560
add complexity don't really support part

02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:35.736
two.

02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:38.135
Look, I'm trying to reduce the number of

02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:40.615
planning forums that I get to go to. I

02:01:40.639 --> 02:01:42.296
only I've only had one in the last 3

02:01:42.320 --> 02:01:44.615
years. It's about a pool hall which we

02:01:44.639 --> 02:01:47.416
all remember fondly. But um but

02:01:47.440 --> 02:01:50.440
generally they have reduced um and it

02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:54.119
comes down to reducing complexity. So um

02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:57.800
my view councilors um defeat the whole

02:01:57.920 --> 02:01:59.816
lot. It's much better to go with the

02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:02.776
substantive than the amendments here

02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:05.496
tonight. Thank you councilors.

02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:07.016
Thank you councelor Davenport. Any

02:02:07.040 --> 02:02:09.016
further speakers? Councelor Martin.

02:02:09.040 --> 02:02:11.175
Thank you  Mayor. Um I'll just a few

02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:13.095
observations as well but look we we all

02:02:13.119 --> 02:02:14.215
know we're probably going through the

02:02:14.239 --> 02:02:15.896
biggest changes in planning in Victoria

02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:17.736
for 30 years. So let's just acknowledge

02:02:17.760 --> 02:02:20.760
that point. Um and I do concur with

02:02:20.960 --> 02:02:23.960
councelor Griffith. I used to

02:02:24.000 --> 02:02:26.215
hearing about council unnecessarily

02:02:26.239 --> 02:02:29.095
going to VCAT was like a like very

02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:30.776
frustrating as a rateayer you know

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wasting money there where you just knew

02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.175
you were going to get beaten and um you

02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.336
know I've got friends who work in in

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planning and they would the stories are

02:02:39.679 --> 02:02:41.575
anyway I won't go into those but um I

02:02:41.599 --> 02:02:43.416
think that what we do need is education

02:02:43.440 --> 02:02:44.615
to the community because there's a big

02:02:44.639 --> 02:02:46.376
gap in what the community knows in terms

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of what the planning is now and also

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what's deemed to comply and you know we

02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:53.256
got SR RL and all those 30. So I think

02:02:53.280 --> 02:02:55.256
there's a gap there we need to to um go

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through. At the moment in man's board I

02:02:57.599 --> 02:03:00.215
have got one contentious um I won't go

02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:01.976
into the details of it but I would have

02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:04.376
52 emails from one application at the

02:03:04.400 --> 02:03:06.695
moment. Um so I'm going to that'll

02:03:06.719 --> 02:03:08.296
that'll play out but we'll go through

02:03:08.320 --> 02:03:10.936
the process and see how that goes. Um so

02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:12.376
at the moment I'm actually happy with

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the current approach but um again with

02:03:15.280 --> 02:03:17.016
councelor Bach I think as councilors

02:03:17.040 --> 02:03:18.615
we need to be brave and make the right

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decisions like this is this is this is

02:03:20.400 --> 02:03:22.856
what we're paid for. This is what we are

02:03:22.880 --> 02:03:24.615
paid for by the community. This is this

02:03:24.639 --> 02:03:26.856
is the current rule. So if we don't want

02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:28.776
to do our job well maybe we shouldn't be

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here. Um so yes so I would I'll be

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supporting the original substantive but

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um

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um yeah so I think that's all I had for

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my notes. Thank you,  Mayor.

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Thank you, Council Martin. Are there any

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further speakers the motion?

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Given that there are no further speakers

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and there have been speakers against um

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I give you the right of reply, councelor

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Griffith.

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Oh, thanks,  Mayor. So, I listen to

02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:57.095
councelor Davenport's open mind comment.

02:03:57.119 --> 02:03:59.655
I just wonder how much of an open mind

02:03:59.679 --> 02:04:01.976
can you have when you call in a a

02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:04.776
planning application

02:04:04.800 --> 02:04:07.336
as a certain recommendation and you're

02:04:07.360 --> 02:04:10.056
calling it in presumably keeping an open

02:04:10.080 --> 02:04:13.080
mind to hear everyone else's view. Um

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just a reminder counselors when we've

02:04:16.320 --> 02:04:19.320
amended planning applications here added

02:04:19.599 --> 02:04:21.736
those subtle subtle amendments

02:04:21.760 --> 02:04:23.655
conditions extra ones counselors have

02:04:23.679 --> 02:04:25.816
put on it's never gone to VCA. So what

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I'm trying to do is f change the system.

02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.840
So go above and beyond the normal job of

02:04:33.360 --> 02:04:36.215
voting on each individual. Change the

02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:38.296
system. Make the system the best one

02:04:38.320 --> 02:04:41.320
that we currently have. Follow the best

02:04:41.360 --> 02:04:43.896
models across the country.

02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:45.816
To councelor Simpson's comment about

02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:48.840
representing people. That's the clear

02:04:49.440 --> 02:04:52.376
argument for not not supporting this.

02:04:52.400 --> 02:04:53.575
But what happens in planning

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applications specifically that appeal

02:04:55.760 --> 02:04:58.760
process means that the vote that happens

02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:00.536
here is an illusion. We're not

02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:03.560
representing people. We overturn the

02:05:03.599 --> 02:05:06.599
recommendation. It goes to VCAT and we

02:05:06.719 --> 02:05:08.456
lose the council conditions. It's a

02:05:08.480 --> 02:05:11.095
worse outcome for the community, worse

02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:13.416
outcome for White Horse. It's a worse

02:05:13.440 --> 02:05:16.215
outcome for everybody apart from the

02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:18.536
counselors that vote to support the

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refusal temporarily. just temporarily.

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That's all I have to say.  Mayor, thanks.

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Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Given

02:05:28.480 --> 02:05:30.536
that we've had two foreshadowed motions

02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:33.560
and debate over a one AI,

02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:36.376
um we're not going to vote in parts on

02:05:36.400 --> 02:05:37.816
the motion. We're going to vote it as a

02:05:37.840 --> 02:05:40.840
whole. Um so I now put the motion. Keep

02:05:42.080 --> 02:05:43.896
your hands up as I call your names. All

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those in favor of the motion. Councelor

02:05:46.719 --> 02:05:49.256
Griffith. All those against the motion.

02:05:49.280 --> 02:05:51.175
Councelor Weller, Councelor Gun,

02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:54.056
Councelor Davenport, Councelor Simpson,

02:05:54.080 --> 02:05:56.936
Council Langford, Councelor Barker,

02:05:56.960 --> 02:05:59.575
Councelor Stennet, Councelor Cuts, and

02:05:59.599 --> 02:06:02.536
Councelor Martin. I declare the motion

02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:03.976
lost.

02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:04.936
 Mayor,

02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:05.816
Councelor Simpson.

02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:07.016
Thank you,  Mayor. I'd like to move the

02:06:07.040 --> 02:06:09.095
substantive with the amendment. I

02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:09.976
also foreshadow.

02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:12.215
A second, may

02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:13.736
Sorry.

02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:16.695
Thank you. Can we have that put up onto

02:06:16.719 --> 02:06:18.615
the board? So that was the substantive

02:06:18.639 --> 02:06:21.639
with the extra point in there.

02:06:28.719 --> 02:06:31.719
Is it?

02:06:35.040 --> 02:06:36.936
Could someone please second that

02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:38.936
foreshadowed motion? Councelor Steit.

02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:40.776
Thank you, Council Simpson. 

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before I start, may I'll just wait for

02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:43.336
it to get up on the screen just to make

02:06:43.360 --> 02:06:45.976
sure it's all in order. That's all right

02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:49.000
with you.

02:06:55.199 --> 02:06:56.456
Yeah,

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it's 2 from the previous motion.

02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:01.880
Yeah,

02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:10.215
correct.

02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:11.736
Thank you. Councelor Simpson, can we

02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:14.456
please remove a

02:07:14.480 --> 02:07:16.135
point of order? May

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council cuts.

02:07:17.040 --> 02:07:19.896
the substantive is as what was

02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:22.920
written. Removing point A will require a

02:07:23.520 --> 02:07:26.135
vote because the substantive is what was

02:07:26.159 --> 02:07:27.976
written and what's in our paperwork.

02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:28.695
Thank you,  Mayor.

02:07:28.719 --> 02:07:30.055
Thank you, Council Cuts. We'll just

02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:33.079
check on the governance of that.

02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:34.615
Can we call for an adjournment,  Mayor,

02:07:34.639 --> 02:07:37.256
while we sort this out?

02:07:37.280 --> 02:07:38.695
I was about to call for a break given

02:07:38.719 --> 02:07:40.135
that we've now met for more than two

02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.456
hours. I will see you back in the rooms

02:07:42.480 --> 02:07:45.480
at 9.

02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:49.239
Okay, councilors, we're now back on.

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I'll hand over to Council Simpson to

02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:52.936
explain the motion. ,

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thank you,  Mayor. I apologize for the

02:07:54.480 --> 02:07:56.055
confusion before about the numbers of

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properties. Um, so I would like to move

02:07:57.920 --> 02:07:59.896
the substantive that is in the agenda

02:07:59.920 --> 02:08:00.456
tonight.

02:08:00.480 --> 02:08:03.480
Happy to second, ma'am.

02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:06.055
Thank you, Council Senate. Councelor

02:08:06.079 --> 02:08:07.175
Simpson.

02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:09.095
Thank you,  Mayor. Um councilors, as it

02:08:09.119 --> 02:08:10.536
says in the report tonight that um

02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:11.736
recent amendments to the Planning and

02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:14.055
Environment Act 1987 have introduced new

02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:16.055
and amended planning powers requiring an

02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:18.856
updated delegation structure. Um as you

02:08:18.880 --> 02:08:20.536
know councilors, we can't do everything.

02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:22.695
So we delegate authority to um

02:08:22.719 --> 02:08:25.416
appropriately um appropriate staff in

02:08:25.440 --> 02:08:27.016
this organization and make decisions on

02:08:27.040 --> 02:08:29.016
our behalf. And in response to the

02:08:29.040 --> 02:08:31.416
legislative changes to the act, um the

02:08:31.440 --> 02:08:33.175
council's lawyers have reviewed and

02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:35.896
provided an updated delegation package

02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:38.920
to include a new six sorry S6A

02:08:38.960 --> 02:08:40.856
instrument of delegation that is

02:08:40.880 --> 02:08:42.695
designed to enable council to delegate

02:08:42.719 --> 02:08:45.256
the new or amended powers to our

02:08:45.280 --> 02:08:47.655
staff.

02:08:47.679 --> 02:08:49.816
so some of the changes that the act

02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:51.896
introduced were reforms that altered the

02:08:51.920 --> 02:08:54.215
way certain planning functions must be

02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:55.976
exercised and importantly created powers

02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.296
that cannot be lawfully delegated under

02:08:58.320 --> 02:09:00.536
the current existing S6 delegation from

02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:02.456
council to staff. So therefore,

02:09:02.480 --> 02:09:03.736
councilors, in order to ensure

02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:05.336
legislative compliance and to maintain

02:09:05.360 --> 02:09:07.256
continuity of planning decision-making,

02:09:07.280 --> 02:09:09.496
council must adopt the new S6A

02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:11.095
instrument of delegation as per the

02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:12.936
attachment one for this item in the

02:09:12.960 --> 02:09:15.256
agenda report and the amended S6

02:09:15.280 --> 02:09:16.536
instrument of delegation as per

02:09:16.560 --> 02:09:18.215
attachment two to this item in the

02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:20.376
agenda attachments. Um, this will also

02:09:20.400 --> 02:09:22.776
prepare council for the 2026 integration

02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:24.456
of these provisions into the standard

02:09:24.480 --> 02:09:26.776
planning delegation referred to as the

02:09:26.800 --> 02:09:29.800
S6 delegation from council to staff. Um,

02:09:30.400 --> 02:09:31.896
councilors, it's important to note that

02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:33.416
failure to adopt these instruments is

02:09:33.440 --> 02:09:35.575
not a viable option for us tonight. ,

02:09:35.599 --> 02:09:37.256
and would leave council non-compliant

02:09:37.280 --> 02:09:39.336
and unable to lawfully perform key

02:09:39.360 --> 02:09:41.736
planning functions. So, councilors, I

02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:43.016
urge you to please support the motion

02:09:43.040 --> 02:09:44.776
before us. Thank you.

02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:46.376
Thank you, Council Simpson. Councelor

02:09:46.400 --> 02:09:47.575
Stennet.

02:09:47.599 --> 02:09:50.215
Thank you, um,  Mayor. Councelor Simpson

02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.296
has covered it quite comprehensively, so

02:09:52.320 --> 02:09:54.936
I won't say anything further.

02:09:54.960 --> 02:09:56.536
Thank you, Councelor Sten. Are there any

02:09:56.560 --> 02:09:59.560
other speakers to the motion?

02:09:59.679 --> 02:10:01.496
Given there are no speakers, I'll now

02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:03.976
put the motion to the vote. Please put

02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:05.655
your hands up as I call your names. All

02:10:05.679 --> 02:10:08.679
those in favor?

02:10:09.280 --> 02:10:11.175
Councelor Willa, Councelor Griffith,

02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:13.496
Councelor Gum, Councelor Davenport,

02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:15.575
Councelor Simpson, Council Langford,

02:10:15.599 --> 02:10:17.336
Councelor Stannard, Councelor Cuts,

02:10:17.360 --> 02:10:20.135
Councelor Martin. All those against,

02:10:20.159 --> 02:10:22.856
Councelor Barker. I now declare the

02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:25.880
motion carried.

02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:36.840
We now move on to item 10.5, the

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statutory planning report for November

02:10:38.880 --> 02:10:41.655
2025. Can I have a counselor to move the

02:10:41.679 --> 02:10:42.615
item?

02:10:42.639 --> 02:10:44.055
Happy to move, May.

02:10:44.079 --> 02:10:46.055
Thank you, councelor Cuts. A coun. Can I

02:10:46.079 --> 02:10:47.175
have a counselor to second?

02:10:47.199 --> 02:10:48.135
Happy to second,  Mayor.

02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:51.159
Thank you, councelor Simpson.

02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:54.936
Thank you very much,  Mayor. I wish to

02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.615
speak in support of this statutory

02:10:56.639 --> 02:10:58.856
planning report and more importantly to

02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.016
acknowledge what sits behind it. Now,

02:11:01.040 --> 02:11:02.695
normally we might say, look, this is

02:11:02.719 --> 02:11:04.936
procedural. Let's just vote on it and

02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:06.776
get on to it. But I think given the

02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:08.376
conversation this evening, I think it's

02:11:08.400 --> 02:11:10.936
important to actually explain what this

02:11:10.960 --> 02:11:13.256
is about. And for many in our community,

02:11:13.280 --> 02:11:14.936
these reports can feel distant or

02:11:14.960 --> 02:11:16.936
abstract. But for the residents who

02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:18.695
contact counselors about planning

02:11:18.719 --> 02:11:20.776
applications, the people living next

02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:23.175
door or near to a proposed development,

02:11:23.199 --> 02:11:25.095
the families waiting to renovate or

02:11:25.119 --> 02:11:26.615
build, or the neighbors worried about

02:11:26.639 --> 02:11:29.336
trees, traffic, or overshadowing, as was

02:11:29.360 --> 02:11:32.215
outlined by counselor Simpson, planning

02:11:32.239 --> 02:11:35.175
is actually very personal. It shapes how

02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:37.256
people experience their street, their

02:11:37.280 --> 02:11:40.215
neighborhood, and their sense of home.

02:11:40.239 --> 02:11:42.055
And every application reflects

02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:44.135
somebody's plans, concerns, or

02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:46.536
investments. And it also reflects the

02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.456
expectations of surrounding residents

02:11:48.480 --> 02:11:50.055
who want development to be fair,

02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:51.816
considered, and respectful of local

02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:54.055
character. Holding all of that in

02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:55.896
balance is not easy. And that's why I

02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.736
think it's important we pause to

02:11:57.760 --> 02:12:00.456
recognize the work involved. The

02:12:00.480 --> 02:12:03.175
November reporting period shows that

02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:06.199
there were 99 applications lodged. There

02:12:06.639 --> 02:12:08.776
were 69 application determined under

02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:11.655
officer delegation and six matters

02:12:11.679 --> 02:12:14.456
currently under consideration by VCAT.

02:12:14.480 --> 02:12:16.536
Annually in white horse we have about

02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:19.560
1,500 generally applications considered.

02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:25.095
The report period shows an ongoing

02:12:25.119 --> 02:12:27.095
demand for planning planning approvals

02:12:27.119 --> 02:12:29.575
across White Horse and this tells us

02:12:29.599 --> 02:12:31.416
that people want to continue to live,

02:12:31.440 --> 02:12:34.440
invest and build in our city. Our role

02:12:34.560 --> 02:12:36.296
as counselors is not to decide

02:12:36.320 --> 02:12:38.536
individual applications aside from those

02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:40.536
relatively few applications brought

02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:42.376
before councilors for a decision in this

02:12:42.400 --> 02:12:45.400
room. And I do mention that in the

02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:48.936
November meeting we did have that

02:12:48.960 --> 02:12:51.175
planning application at 121 Burwood

02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:52.695
Highway. That's the only one in this

02:12:52.719 --> 02:12:55.719
particular month of um reporting. Um the

02:12:57.360 --> 02:13:00.360
pool the pool hall in um Burwood Highway

02:13:00.639 --> 02:13:03.336
was was mentioned there.

02:13:03.360 --> 02:13:05.575
But our role here is actually to ensure

02:13:05.599 --> 02:13:08.376
that the system assessed

02:13:08.400 --> 02:13:09.896
the applications as fair,

02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:11.175
transparent, and grounded in our

02:13:11.199 --> 02:13:13.256
planning framework. We need to be

02:13:13.280 --> 02:13:14.776
confident the decisions are made

02:13:14.800 --> 02:13:16.536
carefully, consistently, and with the

02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:18.135
long-term interests of our community in

02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:21.159
mind. Um so residents often feel quite

02:13:23.119 --> 02:13:25.016
overwhelmed by the planning process.

02:13:25.040 --> 02:13:26.776
They don't understand why decision went

02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:28.936
the way it did or maybe they feel their

02:13:28.960 --> 02:13:31.655
concerns weren't heard. So this report

02:13:31.679 --> 02:13:33.816
actually provides the accountability to

02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:35.976
our community. They show that the

02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:38.055
applications are assessed against policy

02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:39.976
with impartiality

02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:41.816
and that there is a structured process

02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:43.896
behind every outcome. This goes to what

02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:45.655
the comments that councelor Barker was

02:13:45.679 --> 02:13:47.976
saying before. And I want to acknowledge

02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.135
our planning officers because their work

02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:51.896
sits at the intersection of policy,

02:13:51.920 --> 02:13:54.296
legislation and community expectation.

02:13:54.320 --> 02:13:55.976
And they often receive feedback only

02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:58.215
when somebody is unhappy. We know that.

02:13:58.239 --> 02:14:00.376
The reality is that many of the

02:14:00.400 --> 02:14:02.215
decisions reflected in this report

02:14:02.239 --> 02:14:04.456
involve careful judgment calls and a

02:14:04.480 --> 02:14:06.936
great deal of professional integrity. As

02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:08.615
a council, we're committed to growth

02:14:08.639 --> 02:14:10.376
that is appropriate, sustainable, and

02:14:10.400 --> 02:14:11.816
respectful of our established

02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:13.575
neighborhoods. That means encouraging

02:14:13.599 --> 02:14:15.175
well-designed development in the right

02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:17.175
locations while protecting the people,

02:14:17.199 --> 02:14:19.175
what people value about where they live.

02:14:19.199 --> 02:14:20.936
It also means being honest with our

02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:23.416
community that change is part of a

02:14:23.440 --> 02:14:25.416
growing city, but it must must be

02:14:25.440 --> 02:14:27.736
managed thoughtfully. This report gives

02:14:27.760 --> 02:14:29.575
us a snapshot of how that balance is

02:14:29.599 --> 02:14:31.736
playing out in practice.

02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:34.215
So I see this as a reminder of the

02:14:34.239 --> 02:14:36.215
importance of clear communications with

02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:38.215
residents. When people understand the

02:14:38.239 --> 02:14:39.655
process and the reasons behind

02:14:39.679 --> 02:14:41.655
decisions, even outcomes they disagree

02:14:41.679 --> 02:14:43.896
with, they can feel more manageable.

02:14:43.920 --> 02:14:45.416
That's something we should continue to

02:14:45.440 --> 02:14:47.336
improve wherever we can. And I'd like to

02:14:47.360 --> 02:14:49.736
call out councelor Allan in his absence.

02:14:49.760 --> 02:14:51.256
He was the one who actually bought this

02:14:51.280 --> 02:14:53.976
to council to have this monthly report.

02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:56.055
So in closing, I support receiving this

02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:57.736
report and thank everyone involved in

02:14:57.760 --> 02:14:59.575
bringing it forward. Planning decisions

02:14:59.599 --> 02:15:01.336
shape the future of White Horse in very

02:15:01.360 --> 02:15:03.896
real ways and it's our responsibility to

02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:05.736
ensure that the future reflects

02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:07.336
fairness, care, and respect for the

02:15:07.360 --> 02:15:09.496
community. Thank you,  Mayor.

02:15:09.520 --> 02:15:11.496
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Councelor

02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:11.976
Simpson.

02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:12.856
Thank you,  Mayor. And thank you,

02:15:12.880 --> 02:15:14.536
Councelor Cuts, for your framing of this

02:15:14.560 --> 02:15:17.416
motion. It's not just about the facts of

02:15:17.440 --> 02:15:19.976
matters that are currently under

02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:21.736
consideration by VCAT or numbers of

02:15:21.760 --> 02:15:23.416
application lodged for the month, but it

02:15:23.440 --> 02:15:25.496
is that community context um which

02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:26.856
you've talked about tonight and I

02:15:26.880 --> 02:15:28.695
completely agree with what you've said

02:15:28.719 --> 02:15:30.536
and I know for myself as a new

02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:33.256
counselor, I had a community member um

02:15:33.280 --> 02:15:35.575
contact me about an issue of an

02:15:35.599 --> 02:15:37.095
application going to VCAT and

02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:38.135
unfortunately I didn't have the

02:15:38.159 --> 02:15:40.456
information. Um whereas this report is

02:15:40.480 --> 02:15:42.695
giving me that information so I can be

02:15:42.719 --> 02:15:45.016
better equipped to respond to

02:15:45.040 --> 02:15:47.175
residents inquiries, understand the

02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:48.695
issues that are affecting them in their

02:15:48.719 --> 02:15:50.776
daily lives and ultimately hopefully be

02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:52.695
a better representative on their behalf.

02:15:52.719 --> 02:15:54.135
So I think this report is a good thing

02:15:54.159 --> 02:15:55.655
and I actually do look forward to

02:15:55.679 --> 02:15:57.575
reading it when we get it in the

02:15:57.599 --> 02:16:00.599
papers for the meetings. Um and so

02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:02.215
councilors I urge you to please support

02:16:02.239 --> 02:16:03.896
this motion.

02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:05.256
Thank you councelor Simpson. Are there

02:16:05.280 --> 02:16:06.695
any other speakers to the motion?

02:16:06.719 --> 02:16:08.536
 Mayor I just have a question. Council

02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:09.175
Stenn

02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:11.016
question for council officers. I'm just

02:16:11.040 --> 02:16:13.336
wondering whether council office could

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:15.736
provide more detail or expand on the

02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:18.760
item under key issues in the report.

02:16:20.480 --> 02:16:23.256
Coun Mr. Green, could you please

02:16:23.280 --> 02:16:26.280
answer Council Sten's question?

02:16:28.159 --> 02:16:29.655
through your I have to take that on

02:16:29.679 --> 02:16:32.375
notice and come back to councilors.

02:16:32.399 --> 02:16:34.455
Mr. Green, are there any further

02:16:34.479 --> 02:16:37.479
speakers to the motion?

02:16:38.000 --> 02:16:40.216
I now put the motion. Please keep your

02:16:40.240 --> 02:16:41.575
hands in the air so I can call your

02:16:41.599 --> 02:16:44.599
names. All those in favor. The motion is

02:16:44.880 --> 02:16:47.335
moved unanimously. I declare the motion

02:16:47.359 --> 02:16:49.976
carried.

02:16:50.000 --> 02:16:52.856
Item 10.6 records and informal meetings

02:16:52.880 --> 02:16:55.880
of counselors. Can I have a counselor

02:16:55.920 --> 02:16:58.920
move the item?

02:16:59.280 --> 02:17:00.535
Move. Move.

02:17:00.559 --> 02:17:03.559
Thank you, councelor Griffith.

02:17:03.599 --> 02:17:04.776
Is there a second?

02:17:04.800 --> 02:17:07.800
Second.

02:17:13.359 --> 02:17:15.096
Are there any further Oh, sorry. Thank

02:17:15.120 --> 02:17:16.776
you. Um, councelor Griffith, do you have

02:17:16.800 --> 02:17:18.535
anything to say? Thank you, Councelor

02:17:18.559 --> 02:17:19.096
Weller.

02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:20.695
Nothing further,  Mayor.

02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:22.136
Are there any further speakers to the

02:17:22.160 --> 02:17:23.896
motion?

02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:25.575
I'll now put the motion. Please keep

02:17:25.599 --> 02:17:27.016
your hands in the air and I'll call your

02:17:27.040 --> 02:17:29.976
names. The motion is moved unanimously.

02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:33.000
I declare the motion carried.

02:17:34.559 --> 02:17:36.615
Item 10.6. Six, statutory planning

02:17:36.639 --> 02:17:39.575
report for November 2025. Can I have a

02:17:39.599 --> 02:17:42.599
counselor? Sorry, I've

02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:45.016
haven't turned the page. Apologies.

02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:46.776
Please, we will now move on to the next

02:17:46.800 --> 02:17:49.655
item.

02:17:49.679 --> 02:17:51.176
Flick the page rather than turn the

02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:53.495
page. Um, so I now move on to the next

02:17:53.519 --> 02:17:55.896
next item. Council delegate and

02:17:55.920 --> 02:17:57.976
conference and seminar reports. Reports

02:17:58.000 --> 02:18:00.295
by delegates and reports on conferences

02:18:00.319 --> 02:18:02.776
and seminar attendances. I remind

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councilors to submit your written

02:18:04.559 --> 02:18:07.335
reports and please keep your verbal

02:18:07.359 --> 02:18:09.575
reports brief. I will now commence with

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Deputy  Mayor councelor Simpson.

02:18:11.359 --> 02:18:13.495
thank you  Mayor. Um judging to the

02:18:13.519 --> 02:18:15.176
Christmas new year period um there was

02:18:15.200 --> 02:18:17.176
only really one event on since our last

02:18:17.200 --> 02:18:18.776
council meeting and that was on the 15th

02:18:18.800 --> 02:18:21.415
of December last year. yourself and I

02:18:21.439 --> 02:18:24.295
attended the first ERG meeting of the

02:18:24.319 --> 02:18:26.936
new ERG group after the election of

02:18:26.960 --> 02:18:28.535
the new  Mayors, Deputy  Mayors and also

02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:31.559
the ERG delegates who will be on um the

02:18:31.679 --> 02:18:33.896
ERG for the next three years. So it was

02:18:33.920 --> 02:18:36.920
really just a a intro session um as

02:18:36.960 --> 02:18:38.455
we're getting started and I look forward

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to the next one.

02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:41.816
Thank you councelor Simpson councelor

02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:43.335
Davenport.

02:18:43.359 --> 02:18:46.359
On the 17th of December, I attended the

02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:49.176
um White Horse Manningham Regional

02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:51.415
Library Corporation.

02:18:51.439 --> 02:18:54.439
Um we had um elections for chair, deputy

02:18:56.160 --> 02:18:59.096
chair, audit committee,

02:18:59.120 --> 02:19:02.120
considered a number of reports from the

02:19:03.280 --> 02:19:06.216
count from the officers and

02:19:06.240 --> 02:19:09.240
staff of the White House Manningham

02:19:09.519 --> 02:19:11.256
Regional Library Corporation and

02:19:11.280 --> 02:19:13.415
received a presentation on risk

02:19:13.439 --> 02:19:15.655
management and I'll leave the rest of

02:19:15.679 --> 02:19:18.535
the report to council weller that's all

02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:19.016
me.

02:19:19.040 --> 02:19:20.615
Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:21.096
Gum,

02:19:21.120 --> 02:19:22.375
I have no report.

02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:23.335
Councelor Griffith,

02:19:23.359 --> 02:19:24.375
no report.

02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:25.575
Councelor Weller,

02:19:25.599 --> 02:19:27.736
thanks  Mayor. , like councelor

02:19:27.760 --> 02:19:30.615
Davenport, on Wednesday, 17 December

02:19:30.639 --> 02:19:32.936
2025, I attended the White Horse

02:19:32.960 --> 02:19:35.655
Manningham Regional Library Corporation

02:19:35.679 --> 02:19:37.655
board meeting. We considered the

02:19:37.679 --> 02:19:39.976
corporation's riskmanagement framework

02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:43.000
and CCTV policy and adopted the updated

02:19:43.920 --> 02:19:46.615
collection management policy. We also

02:19:46.639 --> 02:19:48.696
initiated an expression of interest

02:19:48.720 --> 02:19:51.720
process to appoint an independent member

02:19:51.760 --> 02:19:54.056
to the audit and risk committee which

02:19:54.080 --> 02:19:56.856
councelor Davenport will be serving on

02:19:56.880 --> 02:19:58.936
and I will be serving as the board's

02:19:58.960 --> 02:20:01.096
deputy chair this year.

02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:03.496
Thank you councelor Weller councelor

02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:06.136
Martin. Um, nothing to report. May

02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:07.335
councelor cuts.

02:20:07.359 --> 02:20:08.776
Thank you,  Mayor. I attended one

02:20:08.800 --> 02:20:11.800
meeting, the first meeting of the visual

02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:15.096
arts advisory committee held on the 17th

02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:18.120
of December. Um,

02:20:18.479 --> 02:20:20.455
we spoke about the art and civic

02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:22.056
collections policy, potential

02:20:22.080 --> 02:20:24.696
acquisitions by purchase and donation

02:20:24.720 --> 02:20:27.256
and conservation projects, and I look

02:20:27.280 --> 02:20:28.936
forward to working with the committee

02:20:28.960 --> 02:20:30.216
going forward.

02:20:30.240 --> 02:20:31.656
Thank you, councelor Cutts Councelor

02:20:31.680 --> 02:20:32.216
Stennet,

02:20:32.240 --> 02:20:34.216
nothing to report. Councelor Barker,

02:20:34.240 --> 02:20:35.496
I report mate.

02:20:35.520 --> 02:20:38.455
And for myself, I also attended the ERG

02:20:38.479 --> 02:20:41.479
meeting that coun that councelor Simpson

02:20:41.760 --> 02:20:44.455
has reported on. Councils, I move I seek

02:20:44.479 --> 02:20:45.896
to move a mo. Sorry.

02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:47.576
with your indulgence, I forgot one

02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:48.455
item.

02:20:48.479 --> 02:20:49.335
Councelor Simpson.

02:20:49.359 --> 02:20:51.016
Thank you,  Mayor. I appreciate that. Um

02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:54.040
on the 10th of December last year, um I

02:20:55.120 --> 02:20:57.256
chaired the first meeting of the

02:20:57.280 --> 02:20:59.335
environment and sustainability advisory

02:20:59.359 --> 02:21:02.359
committee after its rebranding. Um and

02:21:02.800 --> 02:21:04.696
we discussed many items, one of which

02:21:04.720 --> 02:21:06.776
was the problem of soft plastics 

02:21:06.800 --> 02:21:09.415
which led to our motion tonight. So um

02:21:09.439 --> 02:21:11.256
it's always good to see community

02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:12.856
members um who are really passionate

02:21:12.880 --> 02:21:14.536
about the environment try to hash these

02:21:14.560 --> 02:21:15.496
issues out.

02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:18.056
Thank you councelor Simpson

02:21:18.080 --> 02:21:21.080
council the motion to beforehand I had a

02:21:22.080 --> 02:21:23.976
question. It was just about the visual

02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:25.976
arts advisory committee. There's a

02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:27.496
comment made about potential

02:21:27.520 --> 02:21:29.736
acquisitions. Just want to have a

02:21:29.760 --> 02:21:32.536
question asked. Got a motion on the

02:21:32.560 --> 02:21:34.455
resolution on the books to pause

02:21:34.479 --> 02:21:37.479
acquisitions. Can just um an explanation

02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:40.616
be made on what acquisition activity was

02:21:40.640 --> 02:21:43.096
made? Just as a clarification. Thank

02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:43.496
you.

02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:44.936
I'm happy to answer.

02:21:44.960 --> 02:21:46.856
So it was just in terms of how the

02:21:46.880 --> 02:21:49.496
acquisitions was going to be changing

02:21:49.520 --> 02:21:51.576
from what it had been in the past. So in

02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:53.736
terms of coming to council if that was

02:21:53.760 --> 02:21:55.656
required. So that that was what it was.

02:21:55.680 --> 02:21:57.335
It was discussion on that. Thank you,

02:21:57.359 --> 02:21:57.976
councelor cuts.

02:21:58.000 --> 02:21:59.736
Thank you, councelor Cuts.

02:21:59.760 --> 02:22:01.415
Councilor, I seek a motion to receive

02:22:01.439 --> 02:22:03.176
and note these reports. Could I have a

02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:04.295
mover, please?

02:22:04.319 --> 02:22:05.256
Happy to move. May

02:22:05.280 --> 02:22:07.736
Thank you, councelor Cuts. Um, someone

02:22:07.760 --> 02:22:09.176
to second.

02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:11.736
Um, I now ask councils to vote on the

02:22:11.760 --> 02:22:13.976
motion. Those in favor?

02:22:14.000 --> 02:22:17.000
The motion is moved unanimously.

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Item 12, confidential reports. There are

02:22:20.240 --> 02:22:22.216
no confidential reports this evening.

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And we move to item 13, the close of the

02:22:25.359 --> 02:22:27.335
meeting. Before I close this meeting, I

02:22:27.359 --> 02:22:28.776
would like to take the opportunity to

02:22:28.800 --> 02:22:30.536
encourage everyone to get involved with

02:22:30.560 --> 02:22:32.536
some of our many exciting upcoming

02:22:32.560 --> 02:22:34.776
community events. I'm looking forward to

02:22:34.800 --> 02:22:36.295
joining the Chinese New Year

02:22:36.319 --> 02:22:38.616
celebrations in Box Hill on Saturday the

02:22:38.640 --> 02:22:41.176
21st of February. And I cannot cannot

02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:43.896
wait to welcome the year of the horse,

02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:45.496
which is traditionally associated with

02:22:45.520 --> 02:22:47.976
energy and forward momentum. And for us

02:22:48.000 --> 02:22:49.415
here at White Horse, it's a very

02:22:49.439 --> 02:22:52.375
important year because that is also our

02:22:52.399 --> 02:22:55.096
unique symbol of our community and our

02:22:55.120 --> 02:22:57.656
city. It is a vibrant celebration that

02:22:57.680 --> 02:22:59.496
is always a highlight of our thriving

02:22:59.520 --> 02:23:01.736
Chinese community. And for everyone who

02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:04.696
comes together to take part and it's an

02:23:04.720 --> 02:23:06.375
all day event. So please check your

02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.056
diaries and make sure that you can make

02:23:08.080 --> 02:23:10.216
it not only counselors but those who are

02:23:10.240 --> 02:23:11.896
listening. We'd be lovely to see you

02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:14.375
there. We've also just had the launch of

02:23:14.399 --> 02:23:17.335
a new ex art collection breaking

02:23:17.359 --> 02:23:19.496
ground women artists in the White Horse

02:23:19.520 --> 02:23:21.736
Art Collection and it's now open at

02:23:21.760 --> 02:23:23.896
Boxill Town Hall. And it was great to

02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:25.736
attend this exhibition opening with

02:23:25.760 --> 02:23:28.760
councelor Gun on sat on on the 14th of

02:23:28.800 --> 02:23:31.335
March. The display and sorry it goes

02:23:31.359 --> 02:23:33.016
through to the 14th of March. The

02:23:33.040 --> 02:23:34.536
display celebrates the work of

02:23:34.560 --> 02:23:37.096
innovative woman artists both past and

02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:39.176
present and is a mustsee. I really

02:23:39.200 --> 02:23:41.016
enjoyed looking at those pieces. So try

02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:44.040
and get into the um art space as and and

02:23:44.240 --> 02:23:46.616
see the exhibition. There is also

02:23:46.640 --> 02:23:48.536
council's new series of twilight

02:23:48.560 --> 02:23:50.536
markets. These markets will provide

02:23:50.560 --> 02:23:52.295
fantastic opportunities for local

02:23:52.319 --> 02:23:54.856
traders and small business owners whilst

02:23:54.880 --> 02:23:56.856
bringing energy and connection to our

02:23:56.880 --> 02:23:59.096
neighborhoods. We have the first of

02:23:59.120 --> 02:24:01.016
these new markets in Box Hill on the

02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:03.816
14th of February and then in Mitchum on

02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:06.216
the 20th of February and we will enjoy

02:24:06.240 --> 02:24:08.216
everything I'm sure they have to offer.

02:24:08.240 --> 02:24:10.136
The next ordinary meeting of council

02:24:10.160 --> 02:24:13.160
will be held on Monday the 23rd of 2026.

02:24:14.319 --> 02:24:17.319
I now call the meeting to a close at

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9:32 p.m. and 25 seconds. Enjoy the rest

02:24:21.359 --> 02:24:24.359
of your evening and good night.