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Good evening everyone. I'm councelor

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Kirsten Langford,Mayor of Whitehorse

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City Council, and I welcome all who've

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joined us at this council meeting both

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in person and online. Just a quick

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reminder that nominations for the Whitehorse

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Civic Awards close on Wednesday,

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29th of April at 5:00 p.m. If you know a

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neighbor, a young change maker, or a

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community group making a real

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difference, please nominate them and

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help recognize their impact. Details are

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on the Whitehorse website. A huge thank

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you to everyone who supported our Whitehorse

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Twilight Markets. Across six

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markets in Box Hill and Mitcham, we

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welcomed around 20,000 people. It was

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wonderful to see our town centers come

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alive and our community connect. Now for

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a bit of housekeeping.

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Council live streams council meetings

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and while all care is taken to maintain

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privacy, someone attending the meeting

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in the public gallery may be recorded or

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appear in the live stream. A copy of the

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live stream will be available for

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viewing on the council's website within

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48 hours. We also kindly advise that

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audio, video, and photo photographic

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recording is not permitted within the

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council chambers unless prior approval

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has been granted by council. There is

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only one person here tonight who has

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approval to take any photography. Thank

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you for your cooperation. I will now

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formally open this council meeting and

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will recite the opening and the

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acknowledgement of country. Please stand

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if you're able to.

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We give thanks,O God, for the Men and

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Women of the past whose generous

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devotion to the common good has been the

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making of our City. Grant that our own

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generation may build worthily on the

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foundations that they have laid.

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Direct our minds direct our minds that

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all we plan and determine is for the

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wellbeing of our City. Amen.

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Whitehorse City acknowledges the Wurundjeri Woi

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Wurrung people of the Kulin Nation as

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the Traditional Owners of the land that

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we are meeting on and we pay our

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respects to their Elders past, present

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and emerging and Aboriginal and

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Torres Strait Islanders from communities who

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may be present today. Please be seated.

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I would now like to introduce our

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counselors, commencing with the

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counselors on my left, Deputy Mayor,

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Councelor Kieran Simpson

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Good evening, Mayor. Good evening all

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and especially welcome to those in the

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gallery tonight.

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Councelor Andrew Davenport.

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Good evening. Welcome.

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Councelor Jarrod Gunn.

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Good evening all. Welcome.

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Councelor Daniel Griffiths.

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Good evening all. Welcome. Councelor

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Hayley Weller.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Peter Allen.

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Good evening,Mayor and good evening to

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everybody and welcome. Thank you.

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Councelor Jason Martin.

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Hello everyone and great to see a full

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gallery. Thank you.

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Councelor Prue Cutts.

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Good evening everyone. A big welcome to

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those in the gallery this evening. Thank

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you, Mayor.

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Councelor Ben Stennett.

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Good evening everyone. Welcome.

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And councelor Blair Barker.

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Well, hello Mayor and  how excited I

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am Dennis Walter will be appearing

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at the round. So I just thought I'd let

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you  let you know that if you

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Thank you keeping up to date with it. Mayor

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thank you councelor Barker.

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We are now joined by this. We also are

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joined by the CEO and senior officers. I

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will commence with the chief executive

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officer Simon Mc Millan.

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Good evening everyone and welcome.

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Jeff Green the director of city

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development. Steven White the director

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of infrastructure and sustainability.

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Lisa Letic, the director of community

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life, Stuart Cann, the director of

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corporate services, Siobhan Sullivan,

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executive manager and of futures and

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technology, Vivian Felano, the manager

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of integrity and performance, and all

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members here tonight from the governance

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and IT teams.

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I'll now note any apologies and seek a

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motion to accept any leave of absence

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requests. Are there any apologies or

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leave of absence requests this evening?

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As there are none, I will now move to

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item three.

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I now call for disclosures of interest.

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Are there any disclosures? If declared,

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I'll require the counselors and the

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officers to disclose their interest and

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the nature of that interest.

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As there are no notices, I will now move

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to item four. Item four, confirmation of

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minutes. We will now move to confirm the

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minutes. Councilors, I'm seeking a mover

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to confirm the minutes for the council

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meeting held on the 30th of March, 2026.

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Can I have a counselor to move?

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Councelor Hayley Weller and second

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happy to second me.

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Councelor Jarrod Gunn. I'll now put the

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motion. All those in favor?

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Passed unanimously.

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Council, are there any items of urgent

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business this evening?

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As there are no matters of urgent

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business, we will move to the next item.

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Item six, request to speak. Request to

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speak enables members of the community

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to speak directly to the council at

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council meetings. Each speaker is

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granted up to three minutes to present

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their subject matter and a bell

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will alert you when you have 30 seconds

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remaining. Please ensure that your

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speech is respectful and relevant and

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expressed in a manner that upholds

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courtesy. Our first speaker tonight,

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tonight we have four speakers and our

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first speaker tonight is Barry Fox from

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Blackburn. I now invite Barry to the

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lectern.

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Thank you Mayor and counselors.

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My name is Barry Fox.

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And I'm speaking tonight on behalf of

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the 60 residents who signed the petition

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submitted to you about traffic safety in

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Naughton Grove and we're very grateful for

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this opportunity to speak to you.

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The reason we residents submitted our

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petition is because on one hand council

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engineering staff assess the speed and

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volume of traffic in Naughton Grove as

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satisfactory.

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On the other hand, statistical analysis

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by we residents unambiguously concludes

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traffic safety levels in Naughton Grove

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breach council benchmarks

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and trigger the need for calming

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devices.

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We residents believe our analysis

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is in depth,

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rigorous

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and with intellectual integrity.

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Use of AI software clawed and chat GPT

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confirm our analysis.

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In August last year, council measured

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traffic at five points in Naughton Grove.

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The average daily traffic volume was

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a,071

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vehicles per day and a benchmark for a

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local access street that's classified by

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council is 1,000.

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So Naughton Grove is in breach of its

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benchmark.

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The average 85th percentile speed is 44

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km per hour. The design target 40 km an

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hour again in breach.

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Four of the five measurement 

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locations in Naughton Grove saw the speed

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target breached.

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traffic calming measures are required in

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in accord with your policy.

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Our calculations further show over 700

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yes 700

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non-resident cars per day use Naughton

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Grove as a through road a cut through

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from Black  to and from Blackburn

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Road. So Naughton Grove is no longer

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functioning according to its council

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classification as a local access street.

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It's mostly functioning as a through

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road and the standard planning response

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to this situation is traffic calming.

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Finally,Mayor, we residents pose this

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fundamental question to council. How can

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council conclude the speed and volume of

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traffic in Naughton Grove is satisfactory?

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Thank you, Barry. Thank you.

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Our second speaker tonight is Katrina

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Gingel from Blackburn. I now invite

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Katrina to the lecton.

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Mayor and counselors, as you heard,

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my name is Katrina Gingel.

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You've heard of the Naughton Grove traffic

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numbers from Barry. I want to explain

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what those numbers look like on the

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ground. So, Naughton Grove is not a

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typical suburban street. Coming down

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from Lake Road, cars travel down a steep

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hill, then over a blind crest, then and

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immediately into a 70° sharp bend.

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Drivers regularly cross double lines on

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that bend, and there are multiple blind

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curves.

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There are three intersections with side

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streets and many driveways, including

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ours have very limited sight lines.

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When I am reversing out of my driveway,

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I'm anxiously hoping a speeding car that

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has just turned into Naughton Grove does

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not hit my car. Many Naughton Grove

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residents face the same anxiety driving

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in and out of their driveways.

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And this is not just about residents

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driving in and out of driveways with

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short sight lines. We have children

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walking and riding to and from two

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primary schools and the park on Naughton

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Grove. Indeed, as a parent, I do not

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allow any children play in our front

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yard, let alone on the footpath for

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constant fear of speeding cars, and

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neither does my neighbor with their

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children.

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We have pedestrians and many older

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residents strolling each day amidst the

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beauty of the street heading to

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Blackburn Lake as well as some resident

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ducks crossing the road where you have a

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sign indicated that there are ducks in

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the area. So Mayor and counselors, this

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is a street where its geometry amplifies

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the traffic risk.

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Now compare Naughton Grove to nearby

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streets. Eusta Street, Heath Street, The

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Avenue, Marramma Street. All of them

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have traffic calming measures in place.

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All of them have simpler and safer

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geometries and layouts to Naughton Grove.

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Yet Naughton Grove, despite higher

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complexity and similar or worse traffic

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conditions and over 700 cars each day,

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using a local access street as a

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connector through street has none. That

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is very difficult for we residents to

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understand because when you combine

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above council threshold traffic, a high

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proportion of through traffic and a

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physically hazardous street layout, you

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don't get a satisfactory street. you get

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a street that warrants intervention.

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So we are simply asking council to take

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a second independent look at that

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reality. Thank you.

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Thank you Katrina. Our third speaker

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tonight is Graeme Churchwood Blackburn.

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I now invite Graeme to the lecton.

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Thank you Mayor and councelor. And first

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of all, I just like to say this is the

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first council meeting I've been to and

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thank you to all the counselors who do

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such a good job representing us as

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repres as residents.

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What you have heard tonight about

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traffic risks in Naughton Grove is not

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new. In 1973, the residents asked the

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council to address traffic dangers in

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our street by actually closing it at

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Lake Road. That request came after

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repeated incidents, cars in gardens,

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major indust in injuries, and a constant

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flow of accidents, in particular a light

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pole on the corner of Naughton Grove and

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the ridge. But here we are 50 years

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later having the same conversation about

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traffic dangers in Naughton Grove.

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However, the traffic volumes, they've

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massively increased. The risks have

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multiplied manyfold and yet the traffic

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risks are still unmodderated. And I'd

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like to make this personal for a moment.

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My wife and I have u some grandchildren

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um who visit us regularly. They're not

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allowed to go on the footpath even when

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supervised, not even briefly because of

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the fear of cars mounting the curb. A

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neighbor at 24 who wanted to  come to

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this meeting who is right on the the the

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bend and and the hill. He happened to be

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interstate for business tonight. He

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asked me to read his comments. As a

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homeowner, I'm increasingly concerned

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about the safety of our street due to

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poor visibility due to the hill, the

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curve, and the side street when backing

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out of our driveway. The roads gradient

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encourages speeding, which has led to

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frequent near misses and makes it unsafe

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for our children to use the front yard

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at all. That's the lived reality behind

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the data that you've heard tonight. And

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over 90% of the residents in our street

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have signed the petition.

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And so to be clear,

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we are asking for standard widely used

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measures such as 40 km speed limit,

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speed humps and pinch points. These are

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already in place across our municipality

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and throughout Melbourne. Even in quiet

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bow and heads, all side streets are now

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limited to to 40 km an hour. These are

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proven measures. They are proportionate

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and they are overdue. So our request is

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straightforward. In light of the

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evidence, please commission an

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independent review of Naughton Grove. Have

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the data reassessed, have the risks

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re-evaluated, and then implement some

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effective calming measures. Thank you

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for your interest and attention.

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Thank you, Graeme. Our final speaker

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tonight is Ivy Hamilton from Vermont

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South Cricket Club. I now invite Ivy to

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the lecton.

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Good evening. My name is Ivy and I am

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the captain of the women's 11 first 11

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team for Vermont South cricket club.

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Tonight I would like to put forward my

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experience in playing senior cricket and

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some areas that important to my club and

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I and have and how having the lack of

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facilities at Davy Lane currently impact

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us. I made my debut in the senior men's

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team in our fourth 11 in 2023 and 2024

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season at Davy Lane. Imagine spending 5

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hours out in the boiling sun with only

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the water and food you bring. No

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toilets, no change rooms, no shelter, no

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seating. All you have is a slanted oval

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that is barely looked after. Is this how

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you expect us to play cricket? Is this

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how you expect your child to play

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cricket? Cuz that's how I debuted it.

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This reflects badly on the Vermont South

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cricket club and any other club that

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hosts games there and as you have the

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opposition and yourselves showing up to

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the ground that has no facilities and is

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bring your own everything. And if you

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run out or forgot a supply, you have no

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resources to help you. That's just not

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acceptable. Let me give you some

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experiences, some examples I have

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experienced. Many times my friend and I

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have had to run from Davy Lane to my

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friend's house or have to get a parent

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to drive us to their house or to the

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club rooms back at Livingston just to

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fill up a water bottle or go to the

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bathroom. Another time we had to go to

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the cars just to get changed and have a

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parent standing guard. The men had to be

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cautious or conscious of us changing in

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front of us. It's just not cricket. And

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it's not just the girls who have meat.

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My brother was put up the batting order

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when one of the men urgently needed to

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go to the bathroom and had to leave the

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ground in search for a bathroom. To

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drive to someone's house or to the club

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rooms could mean that our team may be

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down a player for a minimum of 15

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minutes. Girls and women want to play

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cricket and our club is attempting to

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grow our girls and women's size. My

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friends and I want to play as much as we

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can. Juniors on a Friday night, seniors

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on a Saturday, and women's on a Sunday.

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Much the same the way the boys want to

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play. Juniors on a Friday night,

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Saturday morning, and seniors in a

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Saturday afternoon. However, if you are

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listed to play, and as females, we have

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our period. Some days, sometimes we

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don't want to play, and especially when

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you have to play at Davy Lane, there are

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no facilities available. How do you

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explain as a 15year-old girl to men in a

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senior team that you got your period and

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you need to leave the field? And once

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you leave the field, where do you go?

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There are no toilets to change in and to

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use sanitary products. And if you

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expected to and if you unexpectedly

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bleed out and need to change, your

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options were to be changed in a car or

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behind a bush. And that isn't even given

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full privacy. That's just revolting and

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unex unacceptable. In conclusion, the of

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toilets and change rooms at Davy Lane

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are essential. And having these

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facilities will allow my peers,

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teammates, and oppositions to go to the

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bathroom to have water accessible and

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allowed us to encourage other females to

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join our clubs. family and friends can

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come and watch and play in essential

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facilities that every human needs. So, I

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highly encourage you that when you make

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your final decision to think about not

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just me, but everyone who plays there

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and everyone who comes to watch.

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Thank you, Ivy. Thank you very much.

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We now move to item seven, public

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question time. We have two public

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questions this evening. submitted by

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Peter Carter, Box Hill North. These

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questions will be read out and responded

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to by Jeff Green, director, city

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development. Jeff, can you please come

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to the lecton and address these

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questions?

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Thank you,Mayor. Question one, low

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stress bicycling and network

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connectivity is a detailed report with a

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methodology extensively used throughout

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Australia, including Whitehorse, to

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measure the level of traffic stress. The

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report notes that a cycling route often

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comprises some sections that are low

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stress and others are higher stress.

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However, the overall route traffic

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stress is the stress of its most

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stressful section. Given that White

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Horse is considering linking service

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roads on Whitehorse Road knowing that

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major intersections will still be a part

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of the route and present very high

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traffic stress, what is the route LTS

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for that route through yourMayor?

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Cycling connection and safety upgrades

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at identified key intersections along

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the White House road service road are

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currently being investigated and

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assessed. The level of traffic stress

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upon cyclists is determined by the

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psychological and physical stress

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cyclists experience due to traffic speed

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and intersection configuration.

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Riding along the White Road service road

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naturally generates a lower level of

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traffic stress than riding along White

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Road itself. Given council's interest to

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provide cycling routes for the

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interested but concerned cyclists, a

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level of traffic stress 2 will be

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considered between intersections where

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possible, acknowledging that level of

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traffic stress three may result at key

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intersections.

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Appropriate upgrades or cycling options

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will be considered to encourage cycling

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and enhance cyclist safety.

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Question two, the Whitehorse cycling

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strategy was released in 2016. The

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strategy anticipated a target completion

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of the easy ride network by 2023.

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However, today only eight easy ride

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routes, some only partially, have been

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completed of a total of 19 routes that

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would form a network. How many shares

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were installed on each of the eight

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individual routes through you,Mayor? An

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evaluation of the council's eight easy

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ride routes used a multiriteria

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assessment combining quantitative and

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qualitative analysis focused on

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interested but concerned riders and

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guided by best practice principles.

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Those being safety, directness,

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cohesion, attractiveness and comfort. To

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build on demonstrated cycling interest

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and to increase the use of the easy ride

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route network, the evaluation

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recommended introducing more bike

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friendly infrastructure beyond

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wayfinding, decals and sharing

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existing infrastructure and wayfinding

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issues before expanding the network.

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Council officers are now progressing

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improvements to existing easy ride

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routes, resolving wayfinding issues, and

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developing connections between the easy

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ride routes and the strategic cycling

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corridor network in Whitehorse.

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Sharrows are typically typically spaced

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75 to 150 meters apart, resulting in a

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high number installed across the eight

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completed routes. Thank you,Mayor.

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Thank you, Jeff.

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Councilors, we have four petitions

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tonight to be noted. The first petition

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item is 8.1 and includes 16 signatures.

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The petition relates to traffic and

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parking in Tyrann Street, Mitchum. Can I

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have a counselor to move?

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Happy to move.Mayor,

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thank you councelor Stennet and second.

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Happy to second.Mayor,

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thank you councelor Cuts. I now put the

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motion. All those in favor?

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Point of order.

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I had the had the impression some people

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might want to speak to the motion.

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Would you like to speak, council

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Stenant?

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, if that's permissible,Mayor. Thank

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you,Mayor. Um, I'd like to support the

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um petition that we've receiving

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regarding traffic and parking impacts on

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Torana Street associated with the Milana

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College. While the petition contains 16

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signatures, it reflects a broader and

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very real concern from residents about

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safety, congestion, and amenity during a

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period of significant disruption caused

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by construction works at the school. We

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know that reduced on-site parking has

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pushed more vehicles into surrounding

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residential street, which has led to

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unsafe parking behaviors, increased

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congestion, peak times, and impacts on

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local residents, particularly with late

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night activities linked to the

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basketball courts. The request for a

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trial of timerestricted no stand

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controls may be a reasonable and

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measured step. It allows council to test

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a practical solution, assess its

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effectiveness, and respond based on

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evidence. ,

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importantly, this is not about

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restricting access to the school, but

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about balancing the needs of the

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community, the school community with the

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safety and livability of local

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residents. By receiving and referring

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this petition, we're ensuring that these

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concerns are properly investigated

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 that the lead petitioner is kept

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informed and the council is accountable

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for reporting back on potential

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solutions. So I'd like to thank the

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petitioners for bringing this matter

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forward on behalf of the broader 

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community and I support the

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recommendation. Thank you may

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thank you councelor Stenet. Would you

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like to speak councelor cuts?

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Yes may just briefly.

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Thank you councelor start cut.

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Thank you. So as former um ward

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counselor with councelor standard of

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Springfield ward where um this is

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located. I certainly support this um and

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I do understand that Malona College has

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been very successful in um receiving um

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grants for works which is really

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exciting but what is happening is that

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that's having impact on the streets and

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I certainly  support this particular

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recommendation the petition thank you

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mayor

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thank you

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would anyone else like to speak to the

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motion or to the petition

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I now put the motion all those In favor

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carried unanimously.

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The next petition item is 8.2 and

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includes 2,377

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signatures. The petition relates to

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modification of the Walker draft Walker

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Park draft master plan. Can I have a

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counselor to move?

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Happy to move. May

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thank you. Councelor Stennet to second.

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Happy to second.

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Councelor Cuts. Would you like to speak

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to the motion council Stenant to the

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petition? Councelor Sten?

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I would.Mayor. Thank you.

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Um may counselors um 2,000 um signatures

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or more than 2,000 signatures is quite

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:52.376
significant expression of community

00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.936
sentiment. It reflects not only strong

00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.176
support for the tennis club but also the

00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.176
important role it plays in the social

00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.416
recreation and sporting life of our

00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.655
community. Local clubs like Mitchum

00:26:03.679 --> 00:26:05.895
Tennis Club are more than just sporting

00:26:05.919 --> 00:26:07.255
facilities. They are places of

00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:09.496
connection, participation, long-standing

00:26:09.520 --> 00:26:12.216
community value. It's clear that many

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.015
residents want to see that continue at

00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.576
Walker Park. This petition does not ask

00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:19.336
council to make an immediate decision,

00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:21.176
but rather genuinely consider a

00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.976
modification to the draft master plan.

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.816
That is a reasonable and appropriate

00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:27.895
request, particularly given the scale of

00:26:27.919 --> 00:26:30.456
community interest. By receiving and

00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.296
referring this petition, we're ensuring

00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:34.535
these voices are properly heard and

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.696
assessed and transparently responded to

00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.015
as part of the planning process. So, I'd

00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.816
like to thank  all of the petitioners

00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:43.576
for their advocacy and support the

00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:45.816
recommendation. Thank you,Mayor.

00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:47.255
Thank you, Council Sten. Would you like

00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:48.936
to speak to the motion, Council Cuts?

00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.096
Yes. Briefly, I'd like to thank all

00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:54.120
those petitioners. I counted 2447

00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:56.056
looking at that last page, but

00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:57.895
apparently it's a bit much bit less than

00:26:57.919 --> 00:27:00.919
that. But this is probably the second

00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:03.655
highest that we've ever seen at council.

00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:05.895
Um I think I've seen up to 5,000 with

00:27:05.919 --> 00:27:08.919
the Aqualink um management

00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:11.015
um structure, but this is quite an

00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.376
extraordinary amount of people given

00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.336
that there's 140 members at Mitchum

00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:16.936
Tennis Club. So what we can

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.736
categorically say is that it is a draft

00:27:19.760 --> 00:27:22.296
which has gone out. No decisions have

00:27:22.320 --> 00:27:24.856
been made. Nothing has been final and we

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.416
welcome all input from all people and

00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:28.856
just want to say thank you to the people

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.176
who've organized all of that and council

00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.775
and counselors are looking and

00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.616
listening. So that's what I wish to say

00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.176
and to accept this petition. Thanks May.

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.535
Thank you councelor Katz. Would anyone

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:39.416
else like to speak?

00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:40.616
I have an amendmentMayor.

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.216
Councelor Davenport.

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.096
Um my amendment I've sent to governance.

00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:48.120
It's essentially to add a point 4 that

00:27:48.159 --> 00:27:51.159
requires um council to put um the

00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.375
outcome of the resolution and any

00:27:54.399 --> 00:27:56.616
subsequent investigation on our

00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.640
council's website.

00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:01.816
Could I have someone second the

00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:03.496
amendment?

00:28:03.520 --> 00:28:05.496
Oh, sorry. Could I have someone move the

00:28:05.520 --> 00:28:06.135
amendment?

00:28:06.159 --> 00:28:07.496
UMayor, I'm happy to move.

00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:08.056
Oh, sorry.

00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:10.296
Believe I

00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:11.895
accept that.

00:28:11.919 --> 00:28:14.216
What about you? Accept it. Okay. that

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.240
will be included.

00:28:18.399 --> 00:28:20.696
Does anyone else like to speak to the

00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.775
motion?

00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.216
Given that there's no speakers, I'll now

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.240
put the motion. All those in favor?

00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:31.176
Moved unanimously.

00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.096
It's a big petition.

00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:35.496
The next petition is item 8.3 and

00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:37.176
includes 60 signatures. The petition

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.736
relates to traffic review at Naughton

00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:42.056
Grove Blackburn. Could I have a council

00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:44.056
to move? Happy to move,Mayor.

00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:45.976
Thank you, councelor Weller. And to

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:46.296
second,

00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:47.336
happy second,Mayor.

00:28:47.360 --> 00:28:48.535
Thank you, councelor Allen. Would you

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.096
like to speak? Councelor Weller.

00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:52.135
Yes,Mayor.

00:28:52.159 --> 00:28:53.096
Thank you.

00:28:53.120 --> 00:28:55.976
This issue has been with us for about 10

00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.296
months now, and it is clear just how

00:28:58.320 --> 00:29:00.216
much it is weighing on the people who

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.856
live in the street. Council officers

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.696
have looked at the traffic conditions

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.720
twice using a methodology built around

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.000
data, surveys, benchmarks, policies, and

00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:14.520
historical records. Each time the

00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.856
conclusion has been that traffic levels

00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.496
are satisfactory and do not currently

00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:21.576
trigger the need for traffic calming

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:24.216
measures. But the residents of Naughton

00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.936
Grove bring something different and just

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.655
as important. They bring their lived

00:29:29.679 --> 00:29:32.616
experience. They know what it feels like

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.640
to navigate a sloping, winding street

00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:38.216
with poor sightelines and visibility

00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.176
every single day. And they see things

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.096
that do not always show up in a

00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:45.655
spreadsheet. Their persistence,

00:29:45.679 --> 00:29:47.816
patience, and willingness to keep

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:50.375
advocating for their safety deserves

00:29:50.399 --> 00:29:52.775
real acknowledgement. So, I want to

00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.096
thank them for continuing to push for

00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:57.976
practical traffic calming options.

00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.976
Whether that is speed humps, lane

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.856
narrowings, or traffic islands, the goal

00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.880
is simple, to slow vehicles down and

00:30:06.159 --> 00:30:08.616
make the street less attractive as a cut

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.640
through for non-residents. Thank you.

00:30:12.399 --> 00:30:13.816
Thank you, Council Willer. Would you

00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:15.416
like to speak to the motion, Council

00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:15.816
Allen?

00:30:15.840 --> 00:30:18.216
Yeah, very briefly, , Madame May, just

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.240
echoing Councelor Willer's remarks. Um

00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:24.216
it's as as councelor will said that the

00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.240
um the the data has been  sent to

00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:30.760
council extracted  from the various

00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:34.360
reports.  but data is okay and that's

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.375
fantastic but obviously the reality of

00:30:36.399 --> 00:30:39.096
it is that the as council Weller says

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:40.296
the lived experience is something

00:30:40.320 --> 00:30:43.320
different to what the data says. Um, and

00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:46.775
you know, with with cars and and humans

00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.535
driving the cars, anything could happen,

00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:49.816
you know, with speed and all that sort

00:30:49.840 --> 00:30:52.840
of thing. So, I I think that um there

00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:55.416
needs to be some sort of traffic calming

00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.496
 in that particular street. And I

00:30:57.520 --> 00:30:59.176
mean, I know it quite well. Been driving

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.096
around Blackburn since I got my license

00:31:01.120 --> 00:31:04.120
in 1974. So, I I'm pretty well aware of

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.640
Naughton Grove quite well and how up and

00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:09.576
down and bends around and all that sort

00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:11.576
of thing. It is a bit of a u  you know

00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:13.416
if if you you can take your life in your

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.856
own hand walking around there. That's

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.336
for sure.  in some cases cuz I mean

00:31:17.360 --> 00:31:19.336
you know it's it's it's one of those

00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:20.936
streets that hasn't it hasn't got any

00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:22.616
calming  measures and therefore

00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.375
anybody anybody could do what they like

00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:27.399
at any given time. So I think that 

00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:29.895
overall this is  it's good that it's

00:31:29.919 --> 00:31:31.416
come to council because it's a it's a

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.440
really  it's a real important issue of

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.559
public safety and and  getting down to

00:31:37.919 --> 00:31:39.336
lives and all that sort of thing. That's

00:31:39.360 --> 00:31:41.576
very very important. So look forward to

00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:44.600
the  to the report coming back to

00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:45.976
council and just see what sort of

00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.000
calming measures um that we may need to

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.056
introduce into  Naughton Grove. It might

00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:54.296
be speed humps, chicanees or or whatever

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:56.375
slow points, whatever. So let's have a

00:31:56.399 --> 00:31:59.336
look at it  in in more depth and 

00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:02.056
try and  get the traffic down to a

00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:04.775
reasonable amount of traffic and also

00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.015
speed of traffic. Thank you, Madame May.

00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.535
Thank you, Councelor Ellen. Would anyone

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.456
anyone else like to

00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:11.336
councelor Barker?

00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:13.255
Yeah, I'll be supporting this but also

00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.736
like to set expectations

00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:17.255
pretty straight because I'm not sure

00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.279
that we've I'm not sure

00:32:20.399 --> 00:32:21.976
that we've been communicating with

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.816
people appropriately. A little over a

00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:25.895
thousand cars a day despite the

00:32:25.919 --> 00:32:27.816
residents thinking that's a lot. In the

00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:30.056
overall scheme of things in our city in

00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.080
terms of back streets, that's not many.

00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.816
One of the reasons that I'm here is

00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:37.736
because of traffic treatments that this

00:32:37.760 --> 00:32:40.135
council about 15 years ago put in

00:32:40.159 --> 00:32:43.159
Springfield Road in my area.

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.015
That wasn't that terrific. Absolutely

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.936
marvelous success story. Everyone called

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.616
for it. That was there. That was great.

00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.736
Everyone thought that was a terrific

00:32:49.760 --> 00:32:51.416
idea. All it did was it moved the

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.495
traffic to the adjacent streets which

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.336
then resulted in a huge number of

00:32:55.360 --> 00:32:57.416
accidents. Then we've seen that traffic

00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.976
displacement is a very common theory.

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.375
Sometimes I think it's best to be direct

00:33:02.399 --> 00:33:04.616
with people and take them inside what

00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:06.216
some of the considerations are because

00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.240
we've also seen it dare I say it with um

00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:11.736
traffic nudge the the bump stops at

00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:13.416
carry mu shops we had a petition to

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.655
install them and I think it was 3 weeks

00:33:15.679 --> 00:33:17.336
ago had a petition to remove them

00:33:17.360 --> 00:33:19.096
because there' be a trip hazard like

00:33:19.120 --> 00:33:22.120
anything there is a there are you know

00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.736
for every action there is a reaction and

00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:27.015
particularly with engineering and

00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:28.616
traffic treatments there are often

00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.216
unintended consequence quences. I've

00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.936
seen people wanted speed humps, then

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:34.535
they're kept awake all night by the

00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.416
vertical displacement of of goods in

00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.255
trailers and in trucks. These are well

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.176
known in the what was known as the local

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.200
area traffic management um um guidelines

00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.936
put out by Vic or whatever it's called

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.960
these days. So, we we need to be really

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.696
really cautious about that. And I've got

00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.056
a lot of confidence in the traffic

00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:56.375
engineers here before we jump to

00:33:56.399 --> 00:33:59.336
conclusions and reinforce what people

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:02.296
might jump to as the conclusions. You

00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:03.976
know, be very careful what you wish for,

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.976
councilors, because it can have um

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.055
horrific unintended consequences. Thank

00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.055
you.

00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.335
Thank you, councelor Barker. Would

00:34:11.359 --> 00:34:12.855
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

00:34:12.879 --> 00:34:15.016
Yes, May. Just briefly,

00:34:15.040 --> 00:34:15.976
councelor Martin.

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.216
Thank you. Um I'm sort of very aware of

00:34:18.240 --> 00:34:19.976
this street as well and I have I do use

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.655
it and I'll be interested to look at the

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.679
time of day where the um traffic is um

00:34:25.359 --> 00:34:27.575
cuz knowing this area quite well. You've

00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.655
got the Blackburn Lake Primary School.

00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.655
So when you come out of there you can 

00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.016
if you're working towards Canterbury

00:34:33.040 --> 00:34:34.375
Road, you can work your way to Forest

00:34:34.399 --> 00:34:36.135
Road or you can come down through Naughton

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.135
Grove and if you come down Forest Road

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.496
sometimes there's you talk about

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:41.256
unintended con consequences. There's a

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.855
line of 50 cars sitting there trying to

00:34:42.879 --> 00:34:44.456
get out and you'll be stuck there for 20

00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.216
minutes. So I can actually see why

00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:47.815
people use this road. You just got to

00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:50.296
understand the area. Um but I'm sort of

00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.815
very aware of it when I do drive down.

00:34:51.839 --> 00:34:54.055
I'm always considerate and and trying to

00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.079
um you do the right thing with speed. Um

00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.536
but yeah, I do acknowledge the

00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:00.776
challenges of this street and then as

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.376
per councelor Barker, if we put

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.575
something there, are they going to go

00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.599
down further streets down the way? So um

00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:08.376
at the other end towards Blackburn, if

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.575
you come out at Central Road, that's

00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.936
fairly congested as well. And then you

00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.856
come out at Central Road on Spring Road,

00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.936
that's congested. So I think this issue

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.016
we're seeing here is um is an issue

00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:18.456
we're going to see more and more as we

00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.616
grow. So um hopefully we as council can

00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:23.575
manage it for the residents. Thank you.

00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.016
Thank you councelor Martin. Are there

00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:26.696
any other speakers? Councelor

00:35:26.720 --> 00:35:29.176
Griffith.

00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:31.496
I foresee the outcome of this petition

00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:34.055
being a a response but no action as

00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.055
councelor Alan described no traffic

00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:37.656
calming measures but we'll wait and see

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:40.680
what that is. Um, it's worth noting that

00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:44.376
if that response is bland and says we'll

00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.736
take another look and it doesn't meet

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.656
our criteria, there are also other

00:35:47.680 --> 00:35:50.136
options,Mayor. It could be put to our

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:52.296
budget process to install some of these

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.536
measures. It could be put as a future

00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:56.296
notice of motion, but those things can't

00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.320
be done today. So, as a warning, while

00:35:59.359 --> 00:36:01.335
we will be notifying the lead

00:36:01.359 --> 00:36:04.359
petitioner, if that outcome

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.616
does not meet the requirements or meet

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:08.296
what's desired, it doesn't have to be

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.896
the end. There are alternative things

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.055
that are best to discuss with the ward

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.456
counselor.

00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.815
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Is there

00:36:15.839 --> 00:36:17.335
anyone else who'd like to speak to the

00:36:17.359 --> 00:36:19.335
motion?

00:36:19.359 --> 00:36:22.359
I now put the motion. All those in favor

00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.119
carried unanimously.

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:29.335
The final petition is item 8.4 and

00:36:29.359 --> 00:36:32.136
includes 15 signatures. The petition

00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:34.376
relates to duck crossing signage at

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.976
Vermont South.

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.216
Could I have a counselor move to move?

00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:39.416
Happy to move, ma'am.

00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.055
Councelor Gun second. Thank you,

00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.536
councelor Blair Barker.

00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:45.896
Would you like to speak to the motion?

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.296
Councelor Gun.

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.936
 I'm 18 months as many of us are 18

00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:52.296
months into this role and I'm always

00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.696
fascinated by the number of  the

00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:56.376
variation of items that people will come

00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.400
to us with.  when Shayendra first

00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.616
contacted me regarding duck crossings at

00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:05.640
Terrara Road, I was I'll be honest, I

00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:08.055
was very stunned that I didn't know what

00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.216
to do with that information. I gave

00:37:10.240 --> 00:37:11.896
Shayender information as to how she

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.776
could get this  on the agenda, for

00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.800
instance. And I'm very pleased that um

00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.216
our resident went and did this. So it's

00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:22.456
it's  it's 15 signatures and that is

00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.536
people immediately around the the the

00:37:24.560 --> 00:37:27.176
precinct of Terrar Road and George Road.

00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:29.815
This is asking for there are existing

00:37:29.839 --> 00:37:31.575
signs is asking for those signs to be

00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:33.335
lowered and it's asking for the

00:37:33.359 --> 00:37:35.736
installation of a fourth duck sign, duck

00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.696
crossing sign.  I'm happy for the

00:37:38.720 --> 00:37:40.696
officers to deal with this matter, but I

00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:42.376
am very pleased that we have this

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.456
process by which residents can come to

00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.296
us with a concern that's important to

00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.376
them and they can get it on our agenda.

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.176
So thank youMayor.

00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:52.536
Thank you councelor Gun. Would you like

00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:55.560
to speak to the motion council?

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Item nine, notice of motions. Councelor,

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:08.696
we have no notice of motions this

00:38:08.720 --> 00:38:10.536
evening and as there are no notice of

00:38:10.560 --> 00:38:12.696
motions, we will move to the next item.

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Item 10, council reports.

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.896
I would like firstly I'd like to take a

00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:20.456
moment to request here before each item

00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.856
is called tonight. Councils allow me to

00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.815
finish finish announcing the item title

00:38:25.839 --> 00:38:27.815
and formally call for a mover before

00:38:27.839 --> 00:38:30.536
contributing. Thank you.

00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:33.560
The first item is item 10.1 contract

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:37.496
30439

00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:39.815
extension receivable processing and

00:38:39.839 --> 00:38:41.976
management of the green and timber waste

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.936
at the Whitehorse Recycling Center.

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.416
Sorry, Whitehorse Recycling and Waste

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:49.416
Center. Can I have a counselor move the

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.896
item, please?

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:50.696
Happy to move.

00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.936
Councelor Cuts. Could I have a council

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.136
second the item?

00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:54.936
Second,Mayor.

00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.456
Thank you, councelor Weller. Councelor

00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:57.176
Cuts.

00:38:57.200 --> 00:38:59.335
Thank you,Mayor. I speak in strong

00:38:59.359 --> 00:39:02.359
support of contract 30439,

00:39:02.560 --> 00:39:04.055
the extension of the receivable,

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.656
processing, and management of green and

00:39:05.680 --> 00:39:07.095
timber waste at the Whitehorse

00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.119
Recycling and Waste Center. This is not

00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:13.176
just a routine contract extension. It's

00:39:13.200 --> 00:39:16.136
a practical, measurable step in how we

00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:18.376
as council deliver on our environmental

00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.296
responsibilities and our commitment to a

00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.256
more sustainable Whitehorse. As many of

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.095
you would already know, I was proud to

00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.016
be the inaugural founding council member

00:39:27.040 --> 00:39:28.216
of the Whitehorse Environment

00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:30.376
Sustainability Advisory Committee,

00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.696
serving five of the last six and a half

00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:35.656
years, including two terms as chair. And

00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:37.656
in that time, I've seen firsthand the

00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:39.335
importance of getting the fundamentals

00:39:39.359 --> 00:39:41.575
right when it comes to waste, resource

00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.815
recovery, and environmental stewardship.

00:39:43.839 --> 00:39:46.055
And this contract exact is exactly that,

00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.456
getting the fundamentals right. This

00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.616
extension is for a period of two years

00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:53.640
commencing on 1 July 2026 and proposes

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.656
that the contract be granted to

00:39:55.680 --> 00:39:58.216
repurpose it proprietary limited. The

00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:01.240
total cost is about $6.5 million

00:40:02.560 --> 00:40:05.335
excluding GST. Now these are important

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:07.095
details because they reflect both the

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.176
scale of the service and the confidence

00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:10.616
in a provider that has already

00:40:10.640 --> 00:40:13.640
demonstrated its capacity in this space.

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.815
At the White House Recycling and Waste

00:40:15.839 --> 00:40:18.136
Center, we manage significant volumes of

00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:20.216
green and timber waste each year.

00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:22.136
Materials such as branches, grass

00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:23.575
clippings, garden organics, and

00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.599
untreated timber. These are not waste in

00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:28.456
the traditional sense. They are actually

00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.856
valuable resources. Through this

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.616
contract, that material is received,

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:34.456
processed, and transformed into products

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.536
like mulch and compost rather than being

00:40:36.560 --> 00:40:38.776
sent to landfill. And that distinction

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.256
matters because every ton diverted from

00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.815
landfill reduces environmental harm. It

00:40:43.839 --> 00:40:45.896
reduces emissions. It reduces pressure

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:47.896
on landfill capacity. And it supports

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.815
the broader transition to a circular

00:40:49.839 --> 00:40:52.055
economy where materials are reused and

00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.079
repurposed rather than discarded.

00:40:55.200 --> 00:40:57.016
Importantly, this contract does more

00:40:57.040 --> 00:40:58.936
than just manage what residents drop off

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.936
at the Whitehorse Recycling and Waste

00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.335
Center. It also supports the processing

00:41:03.359 --> 00:41:06.359
of leaf litter and street sweeping waste

00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:09.176
materials that would easily could easily

00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:10.936
end up in landfill if we do not have the

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.575
right systems in place. Instead, through

00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.016
this service, those materials are

00:41:15.040 --> 00:41:17.016
captured and reused. They're turned into

00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:18.616
something beneficial for our environment

00:41:18.640 --> 00:41:20.616
rather than becoming a burden on it. And

00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:22.376
I want to emphasize that this new

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.055
additional service, the collection and

00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.079
processing of street sweeping deb debris

00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.176
for reuse is to commence as soon as the

00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:31.575
required infrastructure is in place.

00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.055
This is a significant step forward. It

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.575
means that not only ma we are

00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.335
maintaining existing services but

00:41:37.359 --> 00:41:39.496
actively improving how we recover and

00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:42.520
reuse materials across our municipality.

00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:44.776
And this is a major point because it

00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.616
demonstrates that this contract is not

00:41:46.640 --> 00:41:48.456
just about waste management as I

00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.376
mentioned. It's about resource recovery

00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.936
at every level of our operations. There

00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.856
are also strong practical and financial

00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.416
reasons to support this extension. This

00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.335
is an established service that has been

00:41:59.359 --> 00:42:01.176
operating to a high standard. The

00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:02.616
contractor's performance has been

00:42:02.640 --> 00:42:04.696
closely monitored and the service has

00:42:04.720 --> 00:42:06.936
proven reliable and effective.

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:08.936
Continuity matters in contracts like

00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.095
this. Disruptions in waste processing

00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.696
are not theoretical. They have real

00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:14.216
impacts on service delivery and

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:16.216
community confidence. In addition, the

00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:18.456
model is financially responsible. The

00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.136
service is supported through user

00:42:20.160 --> 00:42:22.295
charges with gate fees offsetting

00:42:22.319 --> 00:42:24.456
operational costs and it's been shown to

00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.696
provide value for money for council. So

00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:29.016
what we have here is a contract that

00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:31.016
delivers environmental benefit,

00:42:31.040 --> 00:42:33.416
operational sustainability and financial

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.656
responsibility. Councils often talk

00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:37.976
about sustainability in broad terms,

00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.936
strategies, plans, targets. They're all

00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.256
important. It is decisions like this,

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.416
practical, operational, sometimes less

00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.416
visible, that actually deliver those

00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.575
outcomes. This contract is one of those

00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.736
decisions. It keeps organic material out

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.736
of landfill. It turns waste into a

00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.656
resource. It ensures leaf litter and

00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:57.416
street sweeping debris are reused rather

00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.335
than discarded. It supports our

00:42:59.359 --> 00:43:01.335
environmental goals and it does so in a

00:43:01.359 --> 00:43:03.656
way that is proven efficient and

00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:05.976
responsible. For those reasons, I

00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.000
strongly support this notice of um the

00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.256
motion and encourage my fellow

00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.055
councilors to do so. Thank you.

00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.376
Thank you, Council Katz. Councel Weller.

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.456
Thank you,Mayor.  just briefly, I

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.616
want to acknowledge our council officers

00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:23.176
for recognizing the opportunity to

00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:25.656
expand this contract and introduce an

00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:28.055
additional service, the processing of

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.616
street sweeping debris into reusable

00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:32.936
products. Instead of sending this

00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.176
material to landfill, this contract

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.815
variation allows us to turn it into

00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:40.696
something useful. Repurpose it. Our

00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:43.335
contractor has proposed adjusting the

00:43:43.359 --> 00:43:45.496
space currently used for green and

00:43:45.520 --> 00:43:47.256
timber waste at the Whitehorse

00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.815
Recycling and Waste Center so they can

00:43:49.839 --> 00:43:52.136
begin offering this service as soon as

00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:54.376
the necessary infrastructure is in

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.400
place. This proposal comes from a review

00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:00.376
of our current processes with our target

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.400
of 80% diversion from landfill by 2028,

00:44:04.640 --> 00:44:07.416
improving environmental outcomes and

00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.055
treating street sweeping debris in a

00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.776
more cost effective way. It is an

00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.095
innovative step forward and a practical

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.416
example of how we can rethink waste

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.656
management for better results. I am

00:44:19.680 --> 00:44:21.575
pleased to support the report and its

00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.055
recommendation.

00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.416
Thank you, councelor Weller. Would

00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.936
anyone else like to speak to the report?

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.456
Council Martin.

00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.936
Um, yes, Be. Thank you. I'm very pleased

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.616
with this council initiative since I

00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:34.055
always wondered why we did not

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.079
essentially re reuse leaf refues. Um,

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.016
for me, just the logic of collecting

00:44:39.040 --> 00:44:40.456
leaf matter from our streets and

00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.136
transporting to waste landfill, whether

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:44.295
they be in southeast Melbourne or or I

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:45.575
don't think I'm not sure if we use the

00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.416
one in Deer Park, for me just didn't

00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.976
make logical sense in 2026.

00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.936
Um furthermore once our waste to energy

00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.376
project progresses in several years the

00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.736
distance for this green waste would have

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:56.936
been even longer. It would have been

00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.960
going down to um Mville. So I think  I

00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:02.696
just want to make the observation that

00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:04.136
since the commuters experienced high

00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:05.976
fuel costs associated with the conflict

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.815
in the Middle East, our knowledge around

00:45:07.839 --> 00:45:09.736
the importance of transport and managing

00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.496
efficient supply chains and solutions

00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:13.575
are crucial providing value to the

00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.456
community like in this area here. Um, so

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.536
I see this contract extension as a smart

00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:20.616
initiative for our community. So I'm

00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:22.376
extremely supportive of the contract and

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.295
the partners we work with in this area

00:45:24.319 --> 00:45:26.536
and I ask councils to support it. Thank

00:45:26.560 --> 00:45:27.496
you.

00:45:27.520 --> 00:45:28.696
Thank you, Councelor Martin. Would

00:45:28.720 --> 00:45:30.696
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:31.736
Yes,

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.335
councelor Griffith.

00:45:33.359 --> 00:45:35.335
I think this is a great idea overall,

00:45:35.359 --> 00:45:37.976
but I just have one concern that I've

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.575
raised before and it's about the

00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.656
contract variation part. So I think the

00:45:41.680 --> 00:45:44.456
extension of the contract I'm happy with

00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.055
but we need to be careful when we come

00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.456
to varying contracts that we don't start

00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.016
introducing too many divergent things.

00:45:51.040 --> 00:45:53.575
These this is quite closely related.

00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.136
It's about sweet and as council Martin

00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:58.376
said primarily leaves but it is a

00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.536
different type of waist stream rubbish

00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:03.560
some oils. Um so my personal preference

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.936
would be for the variation part to go

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.960
out to tender.

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.016
This contract is the obvious place for

00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:14.456
it to go. Maybe there are any

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.295
alternatives within Whitehorse. There

00:46:16.319 --> 00:46:18.216
might be some outside. My personal

00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:21.240
preference is for the variation part to

00:46:21.359 --> 00:46:24.359
go to tender and not part of a variation

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.936
to the existing contract. So I'm happy

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.016
with the general idea, happy with the

00:46:29.040 --> 00:46:32.040
outcome. Um my appetite for risk and

00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.536
introducing variations that might be too

00:46:34.560 --> 00:46:37.335
far removed. Um

00:46:37.359 --> 00:46:40.359
it's an expensive one too. Um so I'll be

00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:42.936
voting against this most likely just on

00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.815
that basis that the contract for the

00:46:45.839 --> 00:46:48.295
processing of sweet sweeping debris

00:46:48.319 --> 00:46:50.456
which is currently a separate contract

00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.480
would go out to um tender. Thanks ma'am.

00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.376
Thank you councelor Griffith. Would

00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.456
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

00:46:58.480 --> 00:46:59.416
I have a question.Mayor

00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:00.536
Council Simpson.

00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:03.560
Um what is the impact to the budget of

00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.599
this um contract variation noting  any

00:47:07.040 --> 00:47:09.416
additional income that we can gain from

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.440
diverting the the leaf matter?

00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:16.055
Mr. White, could you please come to the

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.079
lectum to answer that question?

00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:26.200
 thank youMayor. um the  street

00:47:26.720 --> 00:47:28.536
sweeping services is part of the um

00:47:28.560 --> 00:47:31.496
waste service charge scheme. So any

00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:34.520
reduction in um in cost to that service

00:47:35.839 --> 00:47:37.976
um directly translated to a reduction in

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.736
the waste service charge which is

00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.055
applied to residents. Um what it does

00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.216
though importantly is it um frees up

00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:45.736
space within the recycling and waste

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.760
center um landfill stream for that that

00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.400
to be available for other users  on a

00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.456
fee for service basis. So that space we

00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.856
anticipate will be taken up by paying

00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.616
customers and um and yeah I haven't got

00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:02.456
a number on what that would be but we

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.216
anticipate additional income in that in

00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:06.696
that space. Thank you ma'am.

00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:08.776
Thank you Mr. White. Are there any

00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.800
further speakers to the motion?

00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.416
given that there was someone speaking

00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.216
against the motion. Um, councelor cuts,

00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:17.736
you have the right of reply.

00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.760
Well, thank you very much. Um,

00:48:21.040 --> 00:48:24.040
I I support the motion as it stands. Um,

00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:26.456
what we're talking about here is we've

00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.480
got figures here 2023 24725

00:48:31.040 --> 00:48:34.040
tons of leaf matter. Um and 2425 is

00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:36.535
2,468

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.559
tons which would be taken away from um

00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.696
the landfill stream allowing it to be

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:45.720
used for residents to um put their 

00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.656
organic and green matter there. So which

00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:52.136
attracts a fee so that we can receive

00:48:52.160 --> 00:48:54.535
that money back. So I I don't agree with

00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.896
councelor Griffiths. I think this is the

00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.136
time. The time is now. It's a great

00:48:58.160 --> 00:49:01.160
innovative idea and um it's it's

00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:03.736
directly related to this. The contractor

00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.535
is able to provide the facility  the

00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.616
infrastructure and I think we should be

00:49:08.640 --> 00:49:10.696
supporting it. Thank youMayor. Thank

00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:13.335
you councelor cuts. I now put the

00:49:13.359 --> 00:49:15.815
motion. All those in favor councelor

00:49:15.839 --> 00:49:18.839
Allen councela councel gun counselor

00:49:19.359 --> 00:49:21.656
Simpson councelor Langford councelor

00:49:21.680 --> 00:49:24.616
Barka councelor Stennet councelor cuts

00:49:24.640 --> 00:49:27.416
and councelor Martin. Those against

00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:28.936
councelor Griffith and councelor

00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.960
Davenport. The motion is carried.

00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.800
Item 10.2 draft Strathton Davyy

00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.559
community precinct master plan for

00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.656
endorsement for round two comm

00:49:45.680 --> 00:49:47.496
endorsement of round two community

00:49:47.520 --> 00:49:49.496
consultation. Could I have a counselor

00:49:49.520 --> 00:49:50.856
move the item?

00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.055
I'll moveMayor. Thank you.

00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.976
Councelor Martin and to second.

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.936
Happy to second. May

00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.960
councelor Gun. Council Martin.

00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.616
Thank you,Mayor. Um, firstly, I just

00:50:00.640 --> 00:50:03.095
say  Ivy who spoke tonight regarding

00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.736
this matter. I just as the father of two

00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.416
teenage daughters, I was really proud of

00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.936
your presentation tonight. So, thank you

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.815
very much. Um, I'm very pleased to be

00:50:11.839 --> 00:50:14.216
bringing forward the draft Stratton Davy

00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:15.976
Lane committee precinct master plan for

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.295
a second round of committee consultation

00:50:18.319 --> 00:50:20.535
as ward counselor for Man's Ward. And I

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.776
acknowledge councelor Gun  for

00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.055
seconding this as ward counselor for

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.936
Terraria Ward. Thank you. Um, as outline

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.295
outlined in this report, this is a

00:50:28.319 --> 00:50:30.696
15-year master plan. It's important we

00:50:30.720 --> 00:50:33.256
recognize the time fra time frame and

00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:36.055
place tonight's decision in the context

00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.616
of that longer journey. Master plans of

00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:40.136
this nature require patience,

00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:42.456
discipline, and respect for process,

00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.055
particularly as they align with broader

00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:45.656
strategic documents such as the White

00:50:45.680 --> 00:50:48.680
Horse open street open space strategy. A

00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.335
key responsibility we hold as council is

00:50:51.359 --> 00:50:52.856
to make decisions not only for today's

00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:54.295
community but also for the future

00:50:54.319 --> 00:50:56.535
community as well. And in in this

00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.456
context, the city of Whitehorse is

00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.136
incredibly fortunate to have a precinct

00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:02.456
of this scale and quality encompassing

00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.936
the Stratton Davy Lane community

00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.896
precinct, the Nagarak Nagarong Willam to

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.976
the east and of course the Balberell

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.216
reserve adjacent as well. So when

00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:13.656
considered together, this forms one of

00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:15.736
the premier open space and community pre

00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.760
precincts in our community. These spaces

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.776
sit alongside other highly val like

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.095
other reserves across our subitty if

00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.535
across our city if you think about it

00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:26.696
such as Yarand Darren Antonio Park

00:51:26.720 --> 00:51:29.720
Malmelon Creek Gardener's Creek they are

00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:31.656
unique they are well loved and they

00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:33.736
support a diverse range of uses for our

00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.760
community councils the the report before

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.856
us tonight seeks endorsement to proceed

00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:40.696
with round two community and stakeholder

00:51:40.720 --> 00:51:43.095
consultation scheduled for June and July

00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.976
this year the master plan process is one

00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.896
of the key tools we use as a council to

00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.736
translate long-term vision into

00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.760
practical staged outcomes on the ground.

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.696
These plans are delivered over time.

00:51:54.720 --> 00:51:56.696
They're shaped by funding, priorities,

00:51:56.720 --> 00:51:59.720
and of course, ongoing community input.

00:52:00.319 --> 00:52:02.856
This is why meaningful engagement is so

00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.535
essential and why this second round of

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.256
consultation is an important milestone.

00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:08.616
A little bit about the history of the

00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:10.535
site. Um, the precinct has a long and

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.535
layered story. the the area was named

00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.016
after Captain Charles Davyy Matson who

00:52:15.040 --> 00:52:18.040
owned the orchard here in the 1910s. Um

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:21.016
to the east the hillsville free Freeway

00:52:21.040 --> 00:52:23.496
Reserve was identified in the 60s and7s

00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:25.896
for a proposed freeway land that has

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.616
since been reserved for public parkland.

00:52:28.640 --> 00:52:31.640
The homestead itself dates back to 1893.

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.295
Um it's also worth noting this precinct

00:52:36.319 --> 00:52:38.535
 includes land across three levels of

00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.216
government federal, state and local with

00:52:40.240 --> 00:52:42.136
further which further highlights this

00:52:42.160 --> 00:52:43.496
its significance and the need for

00:52:43.520 --> 00:52:45.575
coordinated planning. Of course the city

00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.335
of Whitehorse is the custodian of the

00:52:47.359 --> 00:52:49.176
precinct.

00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:51.416
 the site has a long and ongoing role

00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.815
in community life. The the informal oval

00:52:53.839 --> 00:52:55.976
has hosted sporting activity for over 40

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.216
years obviously without facilities and

00:52:58.240 --> 00:53:00.295
we heard from Ivy tonight the importance

00:53:00.319 --> 00:53:02.776
there. Following council's decision in

00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.936
December 24, several advocacy partners

00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.616
were endorsed, including Ultimate

00:53:06.640 --> 00:53:08.535
Victoria for Frisby's, Parkrun

00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.856
Australia, Vermont Football Club,

00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.776
Vermont South Cricket Club, and Vermont

00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.800
Cricket Club. But beyond the sporting 

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.295
aspect of this site, we have a lot of

00:53:18.319 --> 00:53:21.319
other uses as well.  so we have 

00:53:22.160 --> 00:53:24.055
monthly repair cafe hosted by Health

00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.976
Ability, which helps divert reusable

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.000
items from landfill. very community 

00:53:29.040 --> 00:53:32.040
centered  organization. We have the um

00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:33.736
the last couple years had the annual

00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:35.815
culture fest  building community

00:53:35.839 --> 00:53:37.976
connection and celebrating diversity.

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.416
There's of course a lot of passive

00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.055
recreation such as walking and exercise.

00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.079
Um well used off dog leash areas which I

00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.119
participate in. Um and we've at the

00:53:48.240 --> 00:53:50.216
moment we've got existing and future

00:53:50.240 --> 00:53:51.976
shared paths supporting safe active

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.416
transport which a lot of the councils

00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:54.856
here support and we're looking forward

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.736
to that building.  we've also got the

00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.736
Nutawan community community gardens and

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.176
the Whitehorse Horicultural Center

00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:03.496
which host numerous local groups and of

00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:05.176
course there is barbecues and informal

00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:07.256
gathering facilities.

00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.095
So I think we've looked at the the the

00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.119
the points in the past. So the the the

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.295
David Lane sports area represented about

00:54:14.319 --> 00:54:16.376
elite 11% of the broader project

00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:17.976
highlighting the balance between active

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.456
and passive open space.

00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.856
So in summary councilors um this is

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.616
exactly why thoughtful planning matters.

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:26.376
This is not just a local park. It's a

00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:28.055
regionally significant precinct with

00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:29.656
environmental

00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:31.256
recreational

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.736
cultural and community value. Tonight's

00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.335
recommendation is not the final plan.

00:54:35.359 --> 00:54:36.936
It's about continuing the conversation

00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.095
with our community, refining the vision

00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.335
and ensuring we get this right. So I

00:54:41.359 --> 00:54:42.776
encourage council to support the

00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.535
recommendation and enable the next stage

00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.559
of consultation. Thank you very much.

00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:49.656
Thank you councelor Martin. Councelor

00:54:49.680 --> 00:54:50.456
Gun.

00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:51.736
Thank you. Thanks Councelor Martin.

00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.335
Thank you to Ivy for your speech.

00:54:53.359 --> 00:54:55.656
Colleagues, we with this we are asking

00:54:55.680 --> 00:54:57.815
residents to engage with us once more.

00:54:57.839 --> 00:54:59.815
Let's use this consultation to clarify

00:54:59.839 --> 00:55:01.656
what is meant by a regional playground,

00:55:01.680 --> 00:55:03.656
an event space, a satellite sports

00:55:03.680 --> 00:55:05.815
precinct. what their anticipated times

00:55:05.839 --> 00:55:07.896
of use are, what the impact is to

00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.535
vegetation, to play, to traffic, to

00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:12.776
participation, to stargazing, to current

00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.256
and future utilization. Let's explain

00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:16.936
the priority of each of these elements.

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.696
For instance, a regional playground is

00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:20.936
not intended until years 6 to 10 of this

00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.960
plan, the men's shed, years 11 to 15. A

00:55:24.240 --> 00:55:25.335
reminder, the first round of

00:55:25.359 --> 00:55:27.016
consultation asks what residents would

00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:29.256
like to see included in this site. Page

00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.335
33 of the attachment shows that a new

00:55:31.359 --> 00:55:33.575
pavilion and improved sports fields were

00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.575
9inth and 11th respectively.

00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.575
Concurrently, an alternate process took

00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.896
place to determine the future tenants of

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.575
this site, undermining the initial

00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.656
consultation and pitting these five

00:55:43.680 --> 00:55:46.295
highly respected  sports institutions

00:55:46.319 --> 00:55:48.136
against prevailing community sentiment

00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:50.295
through no fault of their own, a mess of

00:55:50.319 --> 00:55:52.535
council's own creation. But we can make

00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.696
that right. If this final round of

00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:56.696
consultation is to be genuine as well as

00:55:56.720 --> 00:55:58.856
provide a shovel ready project for the

00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.095
Glen Wavely district candidates, then we

00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:02.616
should give those candidates what they

00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:05.335
need, certainty. Let's ask, how close to

00:56:05.359 --> 00:56:07.335
the proposed development do you live? Do

00:56:07.359 --> 00:56:08.856
you live in the state district of Glen

00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.696
Wavely? Tick the elements of the

00:56:10.720 --> 00:56:12.535
Strathton Davy Lane master plan you are

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.295
most looking forward to utilizing. List

00:56:14.319 --> 00:56:16.216
them all as well as all the above and

00:56:16.240 --> 00:56:18.295
none of the above. By asking this, we

00:56:18.319 --> 00:56:19.896
can determine exactly what White House

00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.656
residents, the primary funders of this

00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:23.736
project, want for this space. We can

00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.736
learn whether opposition is just a local

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.216
response or if it is more widely held.

00:56:28.240 --> 00:56:29.896
Crucially, it could provide a mandate

00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.136
for this project. A clear majority of

00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:34.216
Glen Wavely District voters would tick

00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:36.456
yes to all the above or yes to the

00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.376
sports precinct. We know our candidates

00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.376
would be on a winner. Also, the higher

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.136
this percentage, the more council might

00:56:42.160 --> 00:56:44.136
hope to receive by way of a funding

00:56:44.160 --> 00:56:46.055
commitment. However, if it goes the

00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:47.976
other way, we must accept that no

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.815
nominee will commit to an unpopular

00:56:49.839 --> 00:56:52.055
project with the electorate. The report

00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.976
leans extensively into the justification

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.136
and mitigation for the anticipated

00:56:56.160 --> 00:56:57.815
community opposition to the sports

00:56:57.839 --> 00:56:59.896
precinct proposal. There is not a word

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:01.815
on what do we do if we never get the $10

00:57:01.839 --> 00:57:04.136
million to make this project a reality.

00:57:04.160 --> 00:57:06.295
How do we solve the challenges raised by

00:57:06.319 --> 00:57:08.456
our community if Davy Lane never becomes

00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.936
a sports precinct? For now, let's listen

00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:12.456
to the community and make this

00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.856
consultation useful for the Glenn Wavely

00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.696
candidates. By failing to do either of

00:57:16.720 --> 00:57:18.216
these things, we are setting ourselves

00:57:18.240 --> 00:57:20.936
up for a purgatory of Davy Lane debates

00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.496
whilst the sports club's needs, so well

00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:25.656
articulated by Council Martin and Ivy

00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:28.295
this evening continue to go unresolved.

00:57:28.319 --> 00:57:31.319
Councilors, let's get listening.

00:57:31.359 --> 00:57:32.936
Thank you, Councelor Gun. Would anyone

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.936
else like to speak to this motion?

00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:36.696
Councelor Barker.

00:57:36.720 --> 00:57:38.936
Thanks very much. And I listen to young

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.960
Ms. Ivy um

00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:44.775
contribution tonight and found that

00:57:44.799 --> 00:57:47.496
especially compelling. It was thoughtful

00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:50.216
and it reflected not just her needs or

00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:52.136
her immediate peers needs but those of

00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:54.856
the entire club.

00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.176
And I'd like hate to think that she'll

00:57:57.200 --> 00:57:59.815
be captain of the first 11 at that great

00:57:59.839 --> 00:58:02.696
cricket club before there's a toilet or

00:58:02.720 --> 00:58:05.256
a tap put in there for her and the rest

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.280
of her club's use. that would be um not

00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.055
right.

00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:11.976
But and I also appreciate councelor

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:14.216
Gun's contribution to this and again

00:58:14.240 --> 00:58:16.696
comes back to this to the labels that we

00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:19.256
use on things. Is this a sports precinct

00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.256
or is a general use precinct? Because

00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.095
mayor, you've seen it firsthand at Mont

00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.976
Albert Reserve. The power of a drinking

00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.055
bottle and the power of a toilet that

00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.616
opens. Seen at Springfield Park, haven't

00:58:30.640 --> 00:58:32.616
we? We've seen it at your way council

00:58:32.640 --> 00:58:35.640
cuts. All you need and that's what young

00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.815
Ivy was talking was wasn't asking for

00:58:37.839 --> 00:58:40.055
ice bars or pavilions with viewing

00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.079
platforms or anything super flash just

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:46.456
wants to play cricket bless her. So

00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.775
let's think about that and I put that

00:58:48.799 --> 00:58:50.535
challenge to the officers to think about

00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.856
you know sometimes it only needs to be a

00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.880
toilet and a drinking tap

00:58:57.359 --> 00:58:59.095
because that's not just about sporting

00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.016
clubs that actually activates it and

00:59:01.040 --> 00:59:02.696
brings a whole lot more people to dog

00:59:02.720 --> 00:59:04.376
walking. And you look at on demand

00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.535
lights at Springfield Park, Mont Albert

00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.775
Reserve down at Ela Park. All of a

00:59:08.799 --> 00:59:11.016
sudden, you got thousands of people

00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:13.016
using this. We're improving thousands of

00:59:13.040 --> 00:59:15.496
people's lives by putting in a toilet.

00:59:15.520 --> 00:59:17.496
Doesn't just improve the lives of a

00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:19.176
15-year-old cricketer that plays in the

00:59:19.200 --> 00:59:21.176
third 11s. It improves the lives of

00:59:21.200 --> 00:59:23.416
everyone. That's what we've got to think

00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.335
about. We got to stop get away from this

00:59:25.359 --> 00:59:28.055
binary. It's sport versus casual usage.

00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.216
That's 1950s thinking as far as I'm

00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:32.136
concerned. Congratulations both the

00:59:32.160 --> 00:59:33.896
councilors that spoke to it. Thought you

00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.575
spoke well and congratulations to the

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.376
young lady that spoke so compellingly.

00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:39.896
Thank you councelor Barker. Would anyone

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:41.575
else like to speak to the motion?

00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:42.216
Yes,

00:59:42.240 --> 00:59:43.016
councelor Allen.

00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:44.775
Thank you madame may I do and I fully

00:59:44.799 --> 00:59:47.095
support the u fully support the

00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.976
recommendation as printed but also going

00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.376
further in the fact that it's well known

00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.400
that we are desperately short of playing

00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.136
ovals right throughout the city of white

00:59:58.160 --> 00:59:59.416
horse and I can't think of a better

00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:00.775
place right at this stage. I wish I

01:00:00.799 --> 01:00:02.216
could for other ovals that we

01:00:02.240 --> 01:00:05.176
desperately need for for junior sport.

01:00:05.200 --> 01:00:08.200
Um not just not just for football and

01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:11.256
cricket but also for  soccer and and

01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.280
and other and other sports as well. And

01:00:15.680 --> 01:00:18.055
um I know this this is a 15-year plan

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:19.176
and I think that that's that's

01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:21.416
marvelous. Hopefully market comes sooner

01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.440
rather than later. Um and it is a mixed

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.119
it is a mixed  mixed use zone or 

01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:32.376
idea master plan for sporting community

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.936
and and and passive. So it it's got it's

01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.960
got it all and  what does and I'm

01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.456
looking forward we we've seen the plans

01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.295
for the the junior oval and the senior

01:00:42.319 --> 01:00:45.256
oval and what we call a little satellite

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.656
 pavilion.  doesn't have to be too

01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:50.295
flash  as well. um you know just

01:00:50.319 --> 01:00:52.616
mainly change rooms and and toilets and

01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:55.640
what have you. Um but  that that is

01:00:55.839 --> 01:00:57.416
sorely needed too. And of course we'll

01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.376
be speaking about pavilions  later on

01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.400
this  this evening. So we we've said

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.216
on in our advocacy document our 11

01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:09.240
million  dollars that that we've um

01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:11.815
that we're going to put in and then

01:01:11.839 --> 01:01:14.535
we're advocating that we need another 

01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.936
$10 million from various levels of

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.960
government.  and that'll be state 

01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:22.936
which is the Glen Wavely district  for

01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:24.696
the course we've got the election coming

01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:27.256
up in just over 6 months. So the Glenn

01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.280
Wavely will be the main  aim at this

01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:33.256
stage but also the  the member for

01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:36.280
Deacon.  now I would think that we

01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:38.696
need to

01:01:38.720 --> 01:01:41.720
 hammer this home as well  and also

01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:43.736
when the time comes for the for the

01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.295
deacon campaign when that gets going 

01:01:46.319 --> 01:01:48.376
if we're not too successful not too

01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.616
successful in the Glen Wy. But I think a

01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:52.616
lot of these projects do require local,

01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:54.856
federal, and state. And I think that the

01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.176
in some ways um you know, we've been

01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:59.095
very fortunate with  with especially

01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.416
with the the federal members  that we

01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.440
have got multi-million dollars of um 

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:07.815
project  for for our projects, you

01:02:07.839 --> 01:02:09.256
know, the city oval and what have you.

01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.280
And  also for East Bard, so East B

01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:14.696
reserve with the pavilion. So we know we

01:02:14.720 --> 01:02:16.456
can get that. So, I'm looking forward to

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.016
the these  the to the advocacy coming

01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:21.016
up that we're putting in  10 or 11.

01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:22.456
I've got to get that right. I think it's

01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:24.136
I hope that's right. 11 10 or 11. We're

01:02:24.160 --> 01:02:26.456
trying after another 10 or 11. So, I

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.736
just look forward to that. The fact that

01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:29.095
we can go out and say, well, listen, we

01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.176
need these we need these two ovals. We

01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:33.656
need them need them to be  to be not

01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:36.295
just a an afterthought. We need them

01:02:36.319 --> 01:02:37.815
properly constructed with the prop with

01:02:37.839 --> 01:02:39.656
a proper pavilion plus all the other

01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:41.496
active and passive passive use as well.

01:02:41.520 --> 01:02:43.416
Commend the recommendation.

01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.896
Thank you for the recommendation Alan.

01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:47.815
Would anyone else like to speak to

01:02:47.839 --> 01:02:48.295
Council

01:02:48.319 --> 01:02:51.016
Davenport? Yes,Mayor. And um been

01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:52.936
listening to the debate carefully and um

01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:54.696
I'm going to be speaking against the

01:02:54.720 --> 01:02:56.936
recommendation. The first reason is

01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:58.456
because

01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.136
um of the sources of funding that's

01:03:00.160 --> 01:03:02.136
written in the report. We've been very

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:05.160
clear, very clear in our advocacy that

01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:08.136
it would be funded pretty much $11

01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:11.160
million by council and $10 million by

01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.295
external funding. And when on page 21 of

01:03:14.319 --> 01:03:17.319
the report gives a suggestion of 50%

01:03:17.520 --> 01:03:20.520
from the open space reserve and 50% from

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.575
rates, I find that to be quite

01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:26.599
misleading. Um now you could say ah it's

01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.815
rate external funding but it does open

01:03:29.839 --> 01:03:32.055
up that possibility that it would be

01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.079
100% funded. I I find that that's that's

01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.575
not in accordance with what we've agreed

01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.335
to in the past and I don't want to be

01:03:39.359 --> 01:03:42.359
associated with a report that opens that

01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.015
possibility of totally internally

01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.896
funding um the report because if we're

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.856
going to 100% fund then I'd look across

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.880
the city and say what a better what a

01:03:54.319 --> 01:03:56.535
better facilities that we can have to

01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.335
use it. Hybrid Parks, one example, it's

01:03:59.359 --> 01:04:02.055
not as  not as not on an angle as much

01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.856
as um Davy Lane. That'd be better use of

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.416
rate payer funds to deploy to upgrade

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.256
that oval.

01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.280
Bitswood North oval um that's a lot more

01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.696
flat and it's not subject to the same

01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:17.720
level of um local sensitivities as Davy

01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:21.736
Lane would be another example where you

01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.760
could um get better bang for buck. um if

01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:28.760
it was 50% um funded elsewhere perhaps

01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.000
but the way the report is written it's

01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.815
um leaves the door open for 100% council

01:04:35.839 --> 01:04:37.815
support. I don't support that. Second

01:04:37.839 --> 01:04:40.839
reason is if we're trying to get

01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.295
feedback for the upcoming state

01:04:44.319 --> 01:04:46.216
election, we've missed a boat. We've

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:49.240
missed a boat if it's done in July. Um

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.440
the the funding requests that are being

01:04:53.200 --> 01:04:54.856
made

01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.015
probably have already started within

01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.039
within the major political parties and

01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:01.896
they're going to look at Davy Lane right

01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.696
now and go

01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:07.720
community angst um versus strong clubs,

01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:11.496
diverse range of views, and you're not

01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:13.976
going to be in a

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.496


01:05:15.520 --> 01:05:17.896
you're not going to be in a position to

01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:19.815
be able to sell it one way or another

01:05:19.839 --> 01:05:22.136
for the state election. So, I think

01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:23.976
there's other things that we could we

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.136
could we could work towards. My personal

01:05:26.160 --> 01:05:28.055
view is if we want to put it out to the

01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.376
community, probably not now is not the

01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.400
right time. I'd put it out after state

01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.216
election. That's my view. Um once we've

01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:39.240
sorted out the report on whether or not

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.280
it would be 50% local and 50% rates, my

01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:44.775
personal view should have external

01:05:44.799 --> 01:05:47.095
funding. The report gives that

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.575
possibility of having rates. Um, urge

01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.095
you to vote against, bring it back

01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.656
another time.

01:05:51.680 --> 01:05:53.896
Councelor Gump Davenport,

01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:55.335
would anyone else would like to speak?

01:05:55.359 --> 01:05:55.976
Yes,Mayor.

01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:56.856
Councelor CS,

01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.880
I'm supporting  the recommendation.

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.616
Um, just in response to  comments made

01:06:02.640 --> 01:06:05.015
by councelor Davenport about looking at

01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:08.039
Hibbury Park and Bennettwood Oval. The

01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.079
issue with ovals in Whitehorse is

01:06:11.520 --> 01:06:13.575
largely being felt in the eastern part

01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:15.176
of Whitehorse, not in the west. to

01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:18.200
council Davenport. So we need more ovals

01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.736
in the east of Whitehorse. It's several

01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:23.896
years. It's before seven out of the 11

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.920
members of our council here got elected

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.015
and you were one of those who were

01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:30.936
actually been on here for a considerable

01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.335
number of times. So the pressure being

01:06:33.359 --> 01:06:35.496
felt is and we've received an email from

01:06:35.520 --> 01:06:38.376
one of our officers here which says only

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:41.176
last week in relation to a request for

01:06:41.200 --> 01:06:44.200
um  a club wanting some extra grounds.

01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:48.200
We need an additional 1.5 to two grounds

01:06:48.720 --> 01:06:50.216
full-sized

01:06:50.240 --> 01:06:53.240
football ovals to satisfy needs. Now

01:06:54.240 --> 01:06:57.240
some of our ovals are at 160%.

01:06:57.680 --> 01:06:59.896
And that is unacceptable because number

01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:02.920
one it the surface deteriorates  much

01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:05.815
faster if it's being used too much. So

01:07:05.839 --> 01:07:08.216
there are certain levels upon which it's

01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:10.295
acceptable and then it gets past that.

01:07:10.319 --> 01:07:12.456
So that's one. The other thing I'd like

01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.480
to say is that I'm not sure that um it's

01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.496
really advisable to leave this at all. I

01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:21.416
think we need to move on with this. It's

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.055
been ongoing for ages. the successful

01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.775
advocates um the clubs mentioned before

01:07:26.799 --> 01:07:28.295
have been sitting on this information

01:07:28.319 --> 01:07:30.295
for a while. They had to wait two and a

01:07:30.319 --> 01:07:32.936
half years to actually hear they were

01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.736
successful. So this has dragged on way

01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.136
too long in my opinion.  there's also

01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:40.216
been a lot of misinformation which has

01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:42.376
been sent out about this about you know

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.295
hundreds of trees being removed and

01:07:44.319 --> 01:07:45.896
vegetation. Well, there's not the case

01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.775
at all. Um there have been a lot of

01:07:48.799 --> 01:07:50.376
learnings from the first round of

01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.616
engagement including that the size of

01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:54.376
the  the pavilion has been reduced

01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:55.976
from being a large pavilion to a

01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:57.896
satellite pavilion. It doesn't have a

01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:59.656
social room so there won't be the noise

01:07:59.680 --> 01:08:02.680
that people are concerned about um if

01:08:02.799 --> 01:08:04.216
they live close to there. They'll

01:08:04.240 --> 01:08:06.856
obviously be um able to change and as

01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.880
and I commend Ivy on your um wonderful

01:08:10.160 --> 01:08:11.815
presentation this evening. I know it

01:08:11.839 --> 01:08:14.216
takes a lot to to reach out and do that,

01:08:14.240 --> 01:08:15.815
but it was really important. We heard

01:08:15.839 --> 01:08:17.255
what you had to say, and I thank you

01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.279
very much. Um, so I I do concur that we

01:08:21.679 --> 01:08:23.735
need we need a pavilion. It's just a

01:08:23.759 --> 01:08:26.759
toilet and um a water tap isn't enough

01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.016
in my opinion. We need change rooms for

01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:31.016
the girls because it's it's absolutely

01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:33.896
essential that um women, young girls

01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.135
going through periods have places to go

01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.016
so that we can activate these spaces. Um

01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:41.976
it is I understand since 1975 been

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.616
declared a sports precinct. So it's

01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.695
natural that the sporting oval which is

01:08:46.719 --> 01:08:49.096
there at the moment is to continue on.

01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:51.096
There are a number of other things um

01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:54.120
such as um let me see the community

01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:56.936
angst. Well yes there is but I think are

01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.016
we are we making it worse here in this

01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:00.695
chamber right now. So thank you

01:09:00.719 --> 01:09:02.456
councelor cuts. Thank you very much.

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:03.976
Would anyone else like to speak to the

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:04.456
motion?

01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:05.335
YesMayor.

01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.376
Councelor Simpson.

01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:08.215
Thank youMayor.  councilors, I wasn't

01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:09.576
planning on speaking tonight, but

01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.215
hearing the debate, there's a few points

01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.775
that I think need to be discussed. The

01:09:14.799 --> 01:09:15.976
first is I think there's been some

01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.976
glossing over what is actually being

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.376
asked when it comes to the Davy Lane

01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:23.400
area. This is not just about some

01:09:23.440 --> 01:09:25.735
toilets and a drink tap. It's about

01:09:25.759 --> 01:09:27.655
leveling out the playing field. It's

01:09:27.679 --> 01:09:29.896
about significant earthworks. It is

01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.695
about destruction of tree vegetation. It

01:09:32.719 --> 01:09:35.255
is about the impact on local residents.

01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:38.056
It's not just as simple as some 

01:09:38.080 --> 01:09:39.655
commentary tonight has made it out to

01:09:39.679 --> 01:09:42.679
be. But Davy Lane is one element of this

01:09:43.440 --> 01:09:46.440
um plan that is before us tonight. This

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:49.255
is the whole Strathn House Davy Lane

01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:50.695
precinct. And if councils you look at

01:09:50.719 --> 01:09:52.295
the map in the agenda attachments, it's

01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:53.576
more than the ovals. You've got the

01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.096
Strathton House precinct, you've got the

01:09:55.120 --> 01:09:57.576
um you've got the Jolly Reserve,  you

01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:59.576
know, you've got the the um community

01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:01.736
garden, etc., etc. So, we are focusing

01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.456
on one thing over the expanse of the the

01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:06.215
entire report. And so, councilors, if

01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:08.856
this if this community plan was to go

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.256
out um sorry, if this plan was to go out

01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:13.016
for community consultation, I don't see

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.856
that as a bad thing. But we do need to

01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.336
be honest. And I think to the point that

01:10:17.360 --> 01:10:19.576
was just made before I spoke about are

01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:21.175
we making it worse in this chamber. No,

01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.016
no, no, we're not. What we are doing is

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:25.256
we're being honest. I think as councelor

01:10:25.280 --> 01:10:28.280
Guns already alluded to this um sporting

01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.016
facility was ninth and tenth on the

01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:32.536
community engagement. That's not us

01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:33.976
making things worse. That's us reading

01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:37.000
what the community's told us.

01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:39.416
So I think councilors when it comes to

01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:41.016
listening, we've been given some

01:10:41.040 --> 01:10:42.616
information already. Are we listening to

01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.856
that or are you just pushing ahead with

01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:46.776
our own views even though we have no

01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:49.256
external support, no state candidates

01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:50.776
committed to this project? And as

01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.456
councelor Davenport's alluded to, they

01:10:52.480 --> 01:10:54.056
probably won't because the window was

01:10:54.080 --> 01:10:56.056
closed.

01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:57.896
And we had one federal member for Deacon

01:10:57.920 --> 01:10:59.336
commit to the project and he lost his

01:10:59.360 --> 01:11:00.936
job.

01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.896
So to me that, you know, it says to me

01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:05.655
that no one's interested in helping to

01:11:05.679 --> 01:11:08.376
co-und the project. So we do need to be

01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:10.456
honest with the with the community and

01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:12.936
we do need to listen. And when I was

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.576
listening to Ivy tonight, I sympathized

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.135
a lot with what she was saying. But to

01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:21.159
me, the answer is not necessarily

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.215
how do we do up Davy Lane. It's how do

01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:27.096
we provide for her and her teammates in

01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:29.736
a way that meets their needs. What are

01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.056
the options on the table, Milona

01:11:32.080 --> 01:11:35.080
College, Vermont Secondary College?

01:11:35.679 --> 01:11:37.256
We've had success with joint user

01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:39.736
agreements in the past. We just got one

01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.336
with Mirabuka.

01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:43.096
Are these other options that are before

01:11:43.120 --> 01:11:45.016
us on the table? because I do want to

01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:47.576
provide for Ivy and her teammates and

01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.816
people like her. But we have to ask the

01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.536
question, what is the best way to help

01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.560
them to meet their needs

01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:57.896
whilst taking on board all the other

01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.816
information we have before us. So

01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:00.856
councilors, whether or not you want to

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:02.376
vote for the motion tonight, that's up

01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:04.776
to you, but we do need to be honest in

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:06.215
the way we approach this debate.

01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.976
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Would

01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.576
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.256
Yes, ma'am.

01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:12.135
Councelor Sten.

01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:14.616
Thank you,Mayor. just like to also

01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:16.536
respond briefly to some of the concerns

01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:18.056
that have been raised. I think it's

01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:19.816
important to be clear about what we're

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.056
actually being asked to do tonight. Um

01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:24.296
what we're being asked to do tonight is

01:12:24.320 --> 01:12:26.695
endorse a draft master plan for further

01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:29.175
consultation. That's it. Because this

01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.016
stage is about testing vision with the

01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:32.456
community. We need to be able to hear

01:12:32.480 --> 01:12:33.976
from our community. If we don't do that,

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.376
then um I don't think we should be here

01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:39.400
in this chamber.

01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.655
We're not finalizing it. In this, in

01:12:41.679 --> 01:12:43.096
fact, this is the point in the process

01:12:43.120 --> 01:12:45.175
where feedback can be most meaningful

01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.736
and shape the outcome. I'd like to

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:49.096
acknowledge something that sits at the

01:12:49.120 --> 01:12:50.776
heart of this discussion, and that is

01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:52.616
the genuine tension within the community

01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:54.536
about the future of this space. There

01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:56.616
are residents who value this area as a

01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.175
more natural general used open space,

01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.416
who want to see more trees, more passive

01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:03.336
recreation, and a stronger environmental

01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:05.896
focus. And there are others who are very

01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:07.096
clearly telling us that we have a

01:13:07.120 --> 01:13:08.856
shortage of local sporting facilities,

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:10.695
particularly ovals, and that this

01:13:10.719 --> 01:13:12.695
precinct presents a rare opportunity to

01:13:12.719 --> 01:13:14.776
respond to that need. Both of those

01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.736
perspectives are valid. Neither should

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.376
be simply dismissed. The role of a

01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:22.616
master plan like this is not to pick one

01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:24.215
extreme or the other. It's to work

01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:25.816
through the tension in a structured and

01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:28.456
transparent way to strike a balance that

01:13:28.480 --> 01:13:30.776
serves the broader community. I believe

01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.536
that's what this draft is attempting to

01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.936
do. It brings together the opportunities

01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.175
for structured sport, spaces for

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.576
informal recreation and social use, and

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.175
a clear commitment to environmental

01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.416
outcomes and tree canopy. But

01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:45.016
importantly, it doesn't lock that

01:13:45.040 --> 01:13:48.040
balance in. It puts the community put

01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:51.080
back to the community for further input.

01:13:52.719 --> 01:13:54.376
Every individual project would still

01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:56.376
need to come back through detailed

01:13:56.400 --> 01:13:58.296
design, funding consideration, future

01:13:58.320 --> 01:14:00.456
council decisions. Nothing proceeds

01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:02.376
without that level of scrutiny. So

01:14:02.400 --> 01:14:04.776
councelor Davenport spoke about the cost

01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.695
involved. At the moment there is no

01:14:06.719 --> 01:14:09.719
cost. It's just a plan and it's not even

01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.840
a finalized plan. And on consultation

01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:15.816
this plan is already informed by

01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:17.655
extensive engagement and this next round

01:14:17.679 --> 01:14:19.496
gives the community another opportunity

01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:21.655
to refine challenge and improve it. So

01:14:21.679 --> 01:14:23.576
rather than viewing this as a fixed

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:25.816
outcome, it should be seen for what it

01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:28.456
is. It is a framework for balancing

01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:30.856
compet competing priorities. It is a

01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.576
basis for genuine community input and it

01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:35.736
is a responsible next step in our

01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.760
long-term planning counselors. We

01:14:39.040 --> 01:14:40.695
really should be endorsing this and

01:14:40.719 --> 01:14:42.536
listening to our community and what they

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.616
say.

01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.576
Thank you C Sten. Would anyone else like

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:48.936
to speak to the motion?

01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:49.896
Just a question.

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.096
Councelor Griffith.

01:14:51.120 --> 01:14:53.496
Um question is about the funding split.

01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:55.736
Does this report for the first time

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.760
suggest council may be it may be

01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.496
recommended for council to pay the 20

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:04.520
million instead of the 10 or 11?

01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:07.256
Mr. McMillan

01:15:07.280 --> 01:15:09.336
through you,Mayor. Um, the report's

01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:11.096
clear in the financial and resource

01:15:11.120 --> 01:15:12.936
implications where it says Davy Lane

01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.576
Reserve is one of current council's

01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.056
advocacy priorities in line with the

01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:21.080
22nd of July 2024 council resolution

01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:22.936
with a total project cost of $21

01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.576
million. This includes council's maximum

01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.135
contribution of $11 million and an

01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:29.655
external funding requirement of $10

01:15:29.679 --> 01:15:31.496
million.

01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.175
Thank you.

01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:34.695
Would anyone else like to speak to the

01:15:34.719 --> 01:15:37.175
motion?

01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:38.376
Given that there was someone speaking

01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:39.976
against the motion, you have the right

01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.056
of reply. Councelor Martin.

01:15:42.080 --> 01:15:44.856
Thank you,Mayor. Um, yeah, look, I just

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.296
wanted to say thanks to councelor

01:15:46.320 --> 01:15:47.736
Simpson. I didn't want to bring this up

01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.576
as a debate on sports tonight. I just

01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:50.936
wanted to talk about the whole precinct

01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:52.695
and listen to the community. That's like

01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:54.135
it was pretty clear and then all of a

01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:55.976
sudden we've gone down this little

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.856
rabbit hole. Um, in in terms of council

01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:00.616
Davenport, I suggest we don't give up.

01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.536
We're not voting on budget items

01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:03.976
tonight. We're just voting on listening

01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.416
to the community. It's as simple as

01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:08.440
that. And to in insinuate that we stop

01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:10.616
projects or or what we do based on

01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:12.376
electioning timing is just a ridiculous

01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:13.976
statement. Like we don't we don't go to

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.655
the agenda of federal estate. This we're

01:16:15.679 --> 01:16:18.536
running we we're backing our community

01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.560
and we will talk to them in our time. Um

01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:24.296
there's a bit talked about community

01:16:24.320 --> 01:16:25.976
angst and there is some angst there and

01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.776
local sensit sensitivities but like

01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.056
there's also a lot of people that want

01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:32.056
it too. So, I just think like let's

01:16:32.080 --> 01:16:35.080
let's have that balance and let's not um

01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:37.896
let's not overplay things like like we

01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:39.576
got to just really be careful how our

01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.736
language using about that. So, certain

01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.416
council I heard tonight were just it

01:16:43.440 --> 01:16:44.936
sounded like they didn't want it. So, I

01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.816
don't know. Anyway, um good to hear

01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:50.135
these other sporting um good to hear

01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:51.736
about these other sporting options. Hybe

01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.256
Park, happy to happy to listen to that

01:16:53.280 --> 01:16:55.576
Benwood Oal. I agree. But if we talk

01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:57.016
about sporting ovals, like we've had

01:16:57.040 --> 01:16:59.016
communication from clubs recently just

01:16:59.040 --> 01:17:01.576
like saying they're at capacity. Um

01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:03.416
there's not many places in our community

01:17:03.440 --> 01:17:05.175
where we can have new ovals and this is

01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.199
one of them. So um councelor Bark I do

01:17:08.320 --> 01:17:09.655
have to take up with you suggesting that

01:17:09.679 --> 01:17:10.936
the players are going to get changed in

01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:12.856
the toilets mate. It was a bit I

01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:14.456
couldn't I couldn't concur with that

01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:16.536
one. I think that was just ridiculous.

01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.416
So the the pavilion is a a satellite

01:17:19.440 --> 01:17:22.440
pavilion. It's not the Taj Mahal. Um

01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:25.175
it's about the basic levels, you know, a

01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.816
ser a service to um you know, canteen

01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:30.840
for the club, etc. Um minimum tree, you

01:17:31.120 --> 01:17:32.695
know, vegetation destruction put in

01:17:32.719 --> 01:17:34.296
context. There's no massive trees

01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:36.695
getting destroyed. Um it's in our

01:17:36.719 --> 01:17:38.776
advocacy document

01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:41.096
on page 10. So let's let's put it to the

01:17:41.120 --> 01:17:42.296
community and let's listen to what they

01:17:42.320 --> 01:17:44.056
have to say. Thank you.

01:17:44.080 --> 01:17:46.456
Thank you, Councelor Martin. I now put

01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:49.175
the motion. All those in favor,

01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.856
councelor Allen, councelor Wellera,

01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.496
councelor Griffith, councelor G,

01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:55.416
councelor Simpson, councelor Langford,

01:17:55.440 --> 01:17:58.376
councelor Barker, councelor Stennet,

01:17:58.400 --> 01:18:00.936
councelor Cuts, and councelor Martin.

01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.816
Those against councelor Davenport. The

01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.840
motion is carried.

01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.560
Item 10.3, Charles Rooks and Deola

01:18:16.480 --> 01:18:19.096
Reserve BMX feasibility and lighting

01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:21.416
investigation. Could I have a counselor

01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:22.616
move the item?

01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.336
Mayor, I'd like to move the item with 

01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:27.016
amendments.

01:18:27.040 --> 01:18:28.616
Could you please put those amendment on

01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:30.776
the board? Thank you. Could I have a

01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.496
counselor?

01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:34.856
Quite happy to second. Madame M.

01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:36.536
Second. Thank you, Councelor Allen.

01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:38.376
Thank you. Councelor Stennet.

01:18:38.400 --> 01:18:41.016
Um, thank you. Um, I'd like to start by

01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:43.256
acknowledging the work officers have put

01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:45.416
into this report. It's a thorough and

01:18:45.440 --> 01:18:46.856
balanced piece of work that responds

01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:49.256
directly to the resolution of August

01:18:49.280 --> 01:18:51.175
last year. Gives council what we asked

01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:52.856
for, clear options, a realistic

01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.856
assessment of impacts, and an honest

01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.416
explanation of the trade-offs involved.

01:18:57.440 --> 01:19:00.056
And it's that word trade-offs that is

01:19:00.080 --> 01:19:01.576
really at the heart of this discussion.

01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.056
Because what this report makes clear is

01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:06.695
that there's no perfect option. Every

01:19:06.719 --> 01:19:08.376
pathway forward involves balancing

01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:10.456
competing priorities. Recreation versus

01:19:10.480 --> 01:19:13.256
environmental protection, activation

01:19:13.280 --> 01:19:16.215
versus amenity, and accessibility versus

01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.239
safety. Maybe it's a bit like Davy Lane.

01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.776
But so the question for us tonight is

01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.800
not do we do everything now. It's what's

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:27.496
the right next step? And I think this

01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.175
amended motion answers that question

01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.416
well. It deliberately does not lock

01:19:31.440 --> 01:19:32.936
council into a final decision. and

01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:34.776
instead it provides in principal support

01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.175
to further investigate two ideas that

01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:39.496
clearly have some merit but also require

01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.016
some more detailed work before any

01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:43.175
commitment should be made. Turning first

01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.199
to the BMX facility, this report

01:19:46.320 --> 01:19:47.896
outlines two options and it's quite

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.056
clear to me anyway that option one at

01:19:50.080 --> 01:19:52.376
Charles pro provides the stronger

01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:54.056
outcome from a functionality

01:19:54.080 --> 01:19:57.080
perspective. A single 115 m loop offers

01:19:57.280 --> 01:19:58.856
more continuous riding experience,

01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:00.776
better usability, and important

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.256
importantly better passive surveillance.

01:20:03.280 --> 01:20:05.576
Those things matter. If we are going to

01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:07.416
invest in a recreation infrastructure,

01:20:07.440 --> 01:20:09.175
particularly for young people, we want

01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:11.016
it to be safe, well used, and fit for

01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.336
purpose. But the report's equally clear

01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:14.856
about the impacts. There are some

01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.695
vegetation impacts. There are some

01:20:16.719 --> 01:20:18.456
potential amenity concerns for nearby

01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:20.376
residents. And there is a broader

01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:21.896
question about how this type of in

01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.056
infrastructure fits within the intended

01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:25.976
character of the reserve. And I think

01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.576
it's important we don't dismiss those

01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.456
concerns because they're valid. At the

01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:32.215
same time, we also shouldn't ignore that

01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.135
there's a segment of our community,

01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:35.416
particularly young people who are

01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:37.416
looking for more more diverse recreation

01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:39.976
opportunities. BMX and pump tracks are

01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:41.896
increasingly popular, and if we don't

01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:43.576
plan from them properly, we often end up

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:45.655
with informal tracks and unintended

01:20:45.679 --> 01:20:48.679
impacts elsewhere. So, it's not a simple

01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.936
yes or no question. It's about whether

01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:52.936
this is the right location and whether

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.215
it can be done in a way that

01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:55.816
appropriately balances all those

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:57.976
competing considerations. That's exactly

01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:00.856
why further work is needed. The amended

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.296
motion allows for community

01:21:02.320 --> 01:21:04.215
consultation, environmental assessment,

01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:06.776
detailed design and costings so that if

01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:08.936
we do proceed, we are doing with that in

01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:10.376
full information and with community

01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:13.256
input. Now, turning to pathway lighting

01:21:13.280 --> 01:21:15.655
again this reports presents a very

01:21:15.679 --> 01:21:17.576
balanced view. On one hand, lighting can

01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:19.896
improve visibility. It can increase

01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:21.496
people's confidence in using shared

01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:23.655
paths and particularly in early morning

01:21:23.679 --> 01:21:24.936
or evening. That's an important

01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.856
consideration especially for

01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:28.856
accessibility. But on the other hand,

01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.296
this report is very clear about the

01:21:30.320 --> 01:21:32.536
constraints about the particular site.

01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.616
There are some ecological sensitivities.

01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:36.695
There are sections in that with limited

01:21:36.719 --> 01:21:38.936
sidelines and pinch points. And

01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:40.616
importantly, there are limitations in

01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:42.536
how effective lighting actually is in

01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:44.695
improving safety in those kinds of

01:21:44.719 --> 01:21:47.096
environments. Lighting doesn't remove

01:21:47.120 --> 01:21:48.616
blind corners. It doesn't create a

01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:50.695
passive surveillance when none exists.

01:21:50.719 --> 01:21:52.536
And in some cases, it can even encourage

01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:54.456
increased use in areas that are not well

01:21:54.480 --> 01:21:56.456
suited to it. So again, we're we're

01:21:56.480 --> 01:21:59.096
dealing with a genuine tension. And and

01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:01.016
again, the responsible approach is not

01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:02.856
to rush to a final decision, but to

01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.175
support further detailed investigation,

01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:07.336
including design, sign analysis, and

01:22:07.360 --> 01:22:08.936
community feedback. And that's exactly

01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:11.336
what this motion does. It allows us to

01:22:11.360 --> 01:22:12.936
properly test whether environmentally

01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.016
sensitive lining can be delivered in a

01:22:15.040 --> 01:22:17.256
way that improves usability without

01:22:17.280 --> 01:22:19.256
undermining the ecological values or

01:22:19.280 --> 01:22:21.496
safety of the reserve. And critically,

01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:23.816
this motion also ensures the council

01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:26.695
will receive a further report before any

01:22:26.719 --> 01:22:29.096
funding is allocated or any final

01:22:29.120 --> 01:22:30.695
decisions made. And that's an important

01:22:30.719 --> 01:22:33.719
point cuz it means if we retain full it

01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.776
means we retain full oversight. It means

01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:38.615
decisions will be made transparently

01:22:38.639 --> 01:22:41.096
based on detailed evidence and not just

01:22:41.120 --> 01:22:43.655
preliminary feasibility. And that's

01:22:43.679 --> 01:22:45.496
exactly how we should be approaching

01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.736
projects like this.

01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:49.175
I also think it's worth stepping back

01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:50.856
for a moment and recognizing the broader

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.336
context. Charles Rooks and De Gola

01:22:53.360 --> 01:22:55.336
reserves are valued local spaces.

01:22:55.360 --> 01:22:57.496
They're not just pieces of land. They're

01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:59.336
places where people walk, connect with

01:22:59.360 --> 01:23:02.215
nature, and spend time with family. Any

01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:03.816
change to those spaces needs to be

01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:05.976
carefully considered. At the same time,

01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.376
our community is growing and changing.

01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:10.215
Expectations around recreation are

01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.215
evolving, and council has a role to

01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:13.736
ensure that we're planning for a diverse

01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.215
range of needs, not just today, but the

01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:18.776
future. This motion strikes a sensible

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:20.215
middle ground between those three

01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.695
realities. It doesn't dismiss new

01:23:22.719 --> 01:23:24.536
opportunities, but it doesn't ignore the

01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:25.976
constraints either. It simply says,

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:27.736
"Let's do the work properly." In

01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:29.896
summary, the amended motion is measured,

01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.336
responsible, and aligned with good

01:23:31.360 --> 01:23:33.016
governance. For those reasons, I'm

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:35.655
pleased to support the amended motion.

01:23:35.679 --> 01:23:37.256
Thank you.

01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:38.856
Thank you, Council Sten. Councelor

01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:39.576
Allen.

01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:40.856
Thank you. Thank you, MadameMayor.

01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.376
Thank you, Council Sten. I could have

01:23:42.400 --> 01:23:43.576
said it any better myself. So there's

01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:45.816
not much more list to say, but I think

01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:48.840
um I thought it covered every aspect of

01:23:49.040 --> 01:23:50.776
this report that that should have been

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:52.695
covered absolutely brilliantly. So good

01:23:52.719 --> 01:23:55.416
on you, councelor Senate. It is it it is

01:23:55.440 --> 01:23:57.576
a motion calling and I and of course 

01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:59.896
and I fully support the amended motion

01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:02.536
is put forward by council center because

01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:04.296
otherwise you know we've got the report.

01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:06.936
Okay, what do we do with it? And thank I

01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:08.776
thank the officers for that. But now

01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:10.135
we're going to send them back to the

01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.056
drawing board, so to speak. And that's

01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:13.175
what they're there for. And I'm sure

01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.496
they're quite happy about that that we

01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.520
and it is the motion says it provide for

01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:20.135
in in principle support for option one

01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:23.159
at the Charles  Rook's reserve for a

01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:26.360
 for a 115 m loop  BMX track. And as

01:24:29.040 --> 01:24:31.576
as we've known right throughout various

01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:33.016
reports we get through the year, not

01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:34.776
everybody wants to play football and

01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.175
cricket and soccer and rugby, rugby

01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:39.576
league and and frisbee flurrying and and

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.896
all that sort of stuff. They, you know,

01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:43.976
the BMX tracks are are for, you know,

01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.135
for good exercise. You take your life in

01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.296
your own hands in my opinion, but kids

01:24:48.320 --> 01:24:49.976
want to do that. They want to do that.

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:51.976
And, you know, as I said, not everybody

01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:53.576
wants to play those those sports. I get

01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.600
a great thrill out of  BMX BMXing. Um

01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.840
and also once again it's providing

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:03.336
provin   in principal support for

01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:06.360
the lighting in that um and we look

01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.215
forward to further work and that coming

01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.239
back  as per the motion number four

01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.655
receives a further report on these

01:25:13.679 --> 01:25:16.679
assessments and corning the um  the

01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:20.296
budget allocation there is mention of

01:25:20.320 --> 01:25:23.256
you know $300,000 and for the tracks and

01:25:23.280 --> 01:25:25.655
70,000  for for the lighting. So

01:25:25.679 --> 01:25:27.655
that's gives us some sort of indicative

01:25:27.679 --> 01:25:30.536
report. Um it does align with our white

01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.376
horse integrated plan that's mentioned

01:25:32.400 --> 01:25:35.016
in the report. So I think overall this

01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:38.040
is a worthy worthy  recommendations

01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:39.896
put forth by councilors then I c

01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.376
congratulate him for it and I think all

01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:44.456
councils should support this. Thank you

01:25:44.480 --> 01:25:45.976
madame men.

01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.416
Thank you councelor Allen. Would anyone

01:25:47.440 --> 01:25:48.856
else like to speak to the motion? Yes,

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:49.416
Mayor.

01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:50.215
Councelor Barker,

01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:51.496
just briefly on the lighting because

01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:52.936
it's an area that something that I've

01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.536
I've spent a lot of time thinking about

01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.560
and and assessing in in my walk. Um I I

01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.376
absolutely support the lighting. We've

01:26:00.400 --> 01:26:02.615
seen that and it speaks here that it's

01:26:02.639 --> 01:26:05.416
too vegetated and it's well removed from

01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:06.615
people so there's not the passage

01:26:06.639 --> 01:26:08.296
surveillance. I don't agree with that.

01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:10.615
There's some excellent installations in

01:26:10.639 --> 01:26:13.639
Blackwalk in Blackburn and in Cudamandra

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.615
in Blackburn. Um both are

01:26:16.639 --> 01:26:17.976
environmentally sensitive and the

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.496
technology we use these days which is

01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:21.256
the solar powered ones that have got

01:26:21.280 --> 01:26:22.536
that go to the glow when no one's there

01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.456
and when someone gets there it brightens

01:26:24.480 --> 01:26:26.536
up when the person leaves the area goes

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.695
back to a glow they're not disturbing of

01:26:28.719 --> 01:26:31.175
of wildlife and we've installed them in

01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:34.199
some of the most sensitive areas also um

01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.816
examples may gerine those parks here

01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.175
again linear parks that are well

01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:41.576
vegetated and in bushy creek we've seen

01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.600
the increase in uses this a simple piece

01:26:45.040 --> 01:26:48.040
the solar light can create for people

01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:49.736
and particularly connecting these two

01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:52.376
active recreation areas. Congratulating

01:26:52.400 --> 01:26:55.400
councelor Stennet. Well done.

01:26:55.679 --> 01:26:57.016
Thank you councelor Barker. Would anyone

01:26:57.040 --> 01:26:58.215
else like to speak to the motion?

01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.096
Yes,Mayor.

01:26:59.120 --> 01:26:59.976
Council cuts.

01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.135
Thank you very much.  so when this did

01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:04.376
come to council on 25th of August last

01:27:04.400 --> 01:27:06.296
year, I was the only one who did not

01:27:06.320 --> 01:27:09.256
support this. And the reason I am

01:27:09.280 --> 01:27:11.175
changing my mind with this is because

01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:12.695
this is now going out for further

01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:15.655
consultation. So given that the two

01:27:15.679 --> 01:27:17.896
parts, the lighting and the BMX track

01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:19.896
were not part of the original plan going

01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:21.175
out to the community, I think it's

01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:23.256
really important that we go out and

01:27:23.280 --> 01:27:25.256
actually hear what the community has to

01:27:25.280 --> 01:27:28.280
say about that because BMX tracks are

01:27:28.719 --> 01:27:31.655
wonderful. And I think I may I'll be

01:27:31.679 --> 01:27:33.896
happy to be corrected, but I think I may

01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.776
have the only BMX track in Whitehorse,

01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:38.936
which is in the Heather Reserve. It is

01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:41.960
hugely popular. We then expanded that to

01:27:42.080 --> 01:27:43.816
a mountain bike skills loop in

01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.215
underutilized land and it's a really

01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:49.239
wonderful place where young kids partic

01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.880
175 playgrounds. Um but we actually are

01:27:55.440 --> 01:27:57.655
supporting  facilities for youth which

01:27:57.679 --> 01:27:59.096
is what we want. We want to get them off

01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:01.496
the screens. We want to get them out. We

01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:03.896
we know we've got an obesity problem in

01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:05.256
Australia. I know it's around the world

01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:07.096
as well but we've got it here. and just

01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:09.016
getting kids out and interacting with

01:28:09.040 --> 01:28:10.856
each other and building community with

01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:13.175
each other and and this is what this

01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.416
does. So I commend councelor Sten as

01:28:15.440 --> 01:28:17.496
well on this but and I'm fully

01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:18.856
supportive of this going out for

01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.536
community consultation. So thank you

01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:21.256
mayor.

01:28:21.280 --> 01:28:22.936
Thank you councelor cuts. Would anyone

01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:24.135
else like to speak to the motion?

01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:25.175
Yes ma'am.

01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:26.056
Council Simpson.

01:28:26.080 --> 01:28:28.056
Thank youMayor. Um, I understand why

01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:29.576
councelor Stennet has moved the motion

01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:30.936
that he's done and I've listened to the

01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.416
arguments, but councilors, I read the

01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:36.135
report twice, , cuz I was really quite

01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.376
interested in this item and it's

01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:40.695
actually clear to me in the report that

01:28:40.719 --> 01:28:43.655
a BMX track is not supported at these

01:28:43.679 --> 01:28:46.135
locations. And I think the report lays

01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.159
out fairly clear reasons why. Neither of

01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:51.976
the BMX options aligns with the adopted

01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.936
planning direction for these reserves

01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.936
due to the needing to protect

01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.175
vegetation, the ecological values and

01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:02.199
passive recreation.

01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:04.615
The tracks themselves are not

01:29:04.639 --> 01:29:05.736
necessarily going to meet the

01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.736
requirements of the users as noted in

01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:10.760
the report. They would be very small

01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:12.695
which are only going to potentially 

01:29:12.719 --> 01:29:14.776
suit small children, not potentially the

01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:16.135
the older children that are going to

01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:17.816
want to use a facility. And as the

01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:19.096
reports notes, that's going to

01:29:19.120 --> 01:29:21.736
potentially lead to um homemade

01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.056
expansions in the reserve, which is

01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:25.736
therefore going to have significant more

01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.456
impact on the local environment. It will

01:29:28.480 --> 01:29:30.856
require the removal of 14 small to

01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.016
medium trees and negatively affect five

01:29:33.040 --> 01:29:36.040
large healthy trees.

01:29:37.360 --> 01:29:39.496
There's also concerns about 

01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.096
surveillance issues, antisocial

01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:43.576
behavior,

01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.175
and the fact that out of the community

01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:48.199
engagement, only seven out of 119

01:29:48.320 --> 01:29:50.536
open-ended submissions of this

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:52.456
consultation supported such a BMX

01:29:52.480 --> 01:29:53.976
facility.

01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:56.296
There's infrastructure gaps such as

01:29:56.320 --> 01:29:58.135
toilets, and we've already talked about

01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:01.159
toilets  earlier this evening.

01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:03.816
And also, fundamentally, this is an

01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:05.816
unfunded project. We know things are

01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.456
tight in our budget counselors.

01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:10.215
We know that we'd have to find the money

01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:11.655
which means something else would have to

01:30:11.679 --> 01:30:13.976
give in order to support this project.

01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.135
So whilst I understand the reasons

01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:17.976
council senate has brought it to us, I

01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:21.000
think there's better alternatives

01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:23.896
in terms of getting value for rateayers

01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.056
money and achieving the same outcomes

01:30:26.080 --> 01:30:28.776
for the benefits of  the the people in

01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:30.215
our city who going to who would want to

01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:32.695
use such a facility.

01:30:32.719 --> 01:30:35.416
I'm not against BMX,

01:30:35.440 --> 01:30:37.096
but I think the officer's report makes

01:30:37.120 --> 01:30:38.856
clear councilors that this is not the

01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:41.096
ideal location for having such a BMX

01:30:41.120 --> 01:30:43.816
track given its impact on um the local

01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.536
environment and the amenity of the area.

01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:49.096
So councilors, if this was to go down, I

01:30:49.120 --> 01:30:50.296
would be moving the officer

01:30:50.320 --> 01:30:53.320
recommendation as in the report. Um so

01:30:53.679 --> 01:30:56.679
foreshadow that may  but on the whole

01:30:57.679 --> 01:30:59.096
councilors, I don't think we can support

01:30:59.120 --> 01:31:02.120
this.

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:03.816
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.840
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

01:31:07.040 --> 01:31:08.296
I'll talk quickly.

01:31:08.320 --> 01:31:09.655
Thank you, Councelor Martin.

01:31:09.679 --> 01:31:11.736
Thank you,Mayor. Um, I was interested

01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.760
to hear Councelor Simpson's um thoughts

01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:17.096
on the report, and I had similar I had a

01:31:17.120 --> 01:31:19.816
similar view. So, I'm just trying to

01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.655
think which way I'll go here. Um, but

01:31:21.679 --> 01:31:23.896
the the suggestion was trying to address

01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:26.215
the issue of kids actually digging up

01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.215
parks and making little things. And this

01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.016
is what this is what  was brought to

01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:34.040
councelor Stenard as as a solution. And

01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.296
noting that we didn't get a lot of

01:31:36.320 --> 01:31:39.320
requests for this um this this

01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.215
infrastructure in the previous feedback.

01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:43.736
It might be a case of well I don't know

01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:45.896
if kids would know how to get the how

01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:47.416
would they contribute? I mean like

01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:49.016
normally it's are they in the right

01:31:49.040 --> 01:31:51.096
avenues to to get their feedback. So I

01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:54.120
just wonder if that's a bit skewed. Um

01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:56.296
yeah. So look as a kid I I I love my

01:31:56.320 --> 01:31:58.936
BMX. I used to drive in rode in Antonio

01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:00.615
Park and I used to love doing the jumps

01:32:00.639 --> 01:32:01.576
down there. I don't know if I'd be

01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.576
allowed to these days. Might get in

01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.416
trouble. Um but yeah, look, I am

01:32:05.440 --> 01:32:06.936
concerned that the park could be too

01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:08.296
small, but I think it's worth putting

01:32:08.320 --> 01:32:11.320
this up for um consideration and also

01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:13.896
along with councelor Barker. Look, I'm a

01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:16.296
big I'm on the safety committee and I'm

01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:18.135
sort of big on making sure people can

01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:19.816
walk safely through our community and

01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:22.215
having smart designs. So, I'm interested

01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:24.776
to explore the the um aspect around

01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.416
lighting in this area. So I think I'll

01:32:27.440 --> 01:32:29.736
be supporting this. Thank youMayor.

01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.175
Thank you councelor Martin. Would anyone

01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.976
else like to speak to the motion

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.296
given there was a speaker against you

01:32:36.320 --> 01:32:37.816
have the right of reply? Councelor

01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:39.416
Stennet.

01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:41.256
Um thank you. I understand where

01:32:41.280 --> 01:32:43.016
councelor Simpson's coming from and I

01:32:43.040 --> 01:32:45.175
don't entirely disagree that there's

01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:47.496
going to be some tension  there. Like

01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:50.520
I said it's a it's a balance. Um but um

01:32:51.120 --> 01:32:53.416
over  particularly over co and during

01:32:53.440 --> 01:32:55.576
school holidays we can see um there is

01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.456
obviously a a demand there for that such

01:32:58.480 --> 01:33:01.480
a such a facility and

01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.000
um there there have been um young people

01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:07.976
with  their BMX bikes and turning up

01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:09.896
the shovels and the like and digging

01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:12.856
their own um digging their own you know

01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:14.615
homemade BMX tracks and probably doing

01:33:14.639 --> 01:33:17.416
far more environmental damage than to

01:33:17.440 --> 01:33:20.440
the park. um than would be invinc if we

01:33:22.719 --> 01:33:25.719
we actually gave them a spot that we're

01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.760
not talking about no impact but of

01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:31.416
course it would there would be some um

01:33:31.440 --> 01:33:33.416
environmental impact and that's part of

01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:36.440
the report to say where is it best

01:33:37.360 --> 01:33:40.360
placed um I don't think to be to be um

01:33:42.480 --> 01:33:44.376
fair to the council officers in the

01:33:44.400 --> 01:33:47.336
report I'm not I I interpreted the

01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:48.776
report very differently to councelor

01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:50.456
Simpson and I found it was quite

01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:53.480
balanced um whereas I think councelor

01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.376
Simpson's sort of picking um and

01:33:56.400 --> 01:33:58.296
choosing um what he likes from the

01:33:58.320 --> 01:34:01.016
report to make his own argument um which

01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:04.040
is not balanced um important factor as

01:34:04.719 --> 01:34:07.719
well that's about safety and something

01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.536
I'm keen on doing with both of these um

01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:12.936
initiatives is actually improving 

01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:14.695
safety by bringing more people and using

01:34:14.719 --> 01:34:17.256
the park and enjoying the park in an in

01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:20.280
a respon responsible way. So um and on

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:24.615
the the part about requests, well there

01:34:24.639 --> 01:34:27.096
were some requests but I take the point

01:34:27.120 --> 01:34:29.816
are we consulted consulting effectively?

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.655
Are we actually going out to the right

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:33.655
people at the right time and getting 

01:34:33.679 --> 01:34:36.679
people to um to tell us that they there

01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:39.175
is a need? How do they do that? How do

01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:41.175
young people do that? I don't know.

01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.736
Thank you councelor Sten. And now I'll

01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.760
put the motion. Those in favor,

01:34:47.120 --> 01:34:49.096
councelor Allen, councelor Wella,

01:34:49.120 --> 01:34:50.695
councelor Griffith, councelor Gun,

01:34:50.719 --> 01:34:52.776
councelor Davenport,

01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.096
Council Langford, Councelor Barker,

01:34:55.120 --> 01:34:57.175
Councelor Stennet, Councelor Cuts, and

01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.416
Councelor Martin. Those against,

01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:02.135
Councelor Simpson. The motion is

01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:05.159
carried.

01:35:07.120 --> 01:35:10.120
We now move to item 10.4, Four, Mount

01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.239
Scopus Memorial College Master Plan

01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.896
Development Facilitation Program

01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:18.135
Referral. Could I have a counselor move

01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:19.416
the item?

01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:21.016
, so moved,Mayor.

01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:23.175
Thank you, councelor Davenport. And is

01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:24.056
there a seconder?

01:35:24.080 --> 01:35:24.856
Yes, ma'am.

01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:26.376
Thank you, councelor Barker. Councelor

01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:27.496
Davenport.

01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.336
So, councilors, tonight we're not being

01:35:29.360 --> 01:35:32.360
asked to approve or do any do any type

01:35:33.040 --> 01:35:35.976
of decision making. Th this particular

01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:37.816
recommendation and motion I've moved

01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.215
tonight is essentially writing a letter

01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:42.615
to Minister for Planning um with a

01:35:42.639 --> 01:35:44.215
number of points surrounding Mount

01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:47.239
Scopus. In reality, the officers have

01:35:47.280 --> 01:35:49.175
already responded to the requests that

01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:50.856
have come from the state government back

01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:53.880
in February and um and now it's  here

01:35:54.719 --> 01:35:57.719
at council to um make more publicly

01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.920
available because back in February I

01:36:01.440 --> 01:36:04.440
wasn't even aware of this referral being

01:36:05.120 --> 01:36:07.896
made despite it having a substantial

01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:10.920
impact on the Burwood community. If this

01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.695
particular proposal goes ahead,

01:36:14.719 --> 01:36:17.655
I think that that  this is probably

01:36:17.679 --> 01:36:20.215
one of the biggest developments if it

01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:22.776
got approved for for reasoning that I've

01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.496
seen over the last 13 years in in

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:27.976
council. Um bigger than what we've seen

01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:31.000
at in Box Hill. Um even if you combined

01:36:32.080 --> 01:36:35.080
multiple sites itself um under scenario

01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:38.920
number two if it was um if that all went

01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:42.360
ahead extra 9,000 people within the

01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.560
Burwood area 45story tower which is over

01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:49.800
double over double um what the suburban

01:36:50.719 --> 01:36:53.719
rail loop has planned to go where the

01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:56.296
Bard station is which is right near

01:36:56.320 --> 01:36:58.456
public transport here it's  further

01:36:58.480 --> 01:37:01.256
away So  there are a number of

01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:04.280
concerns that I have in terms of how the

01:37:05.280 --> 01:37:08.135
process has been undertaken to date and

01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:10.856
that's why I'm keen that we can have

01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:13.416
additional community consultation should

01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:16.440
the process go further after here.

01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.695
Um

01:37:20.719 --> 01:37:23.719
my main worries about having um this

01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.456
scenario two or variation two which is

01:37:26.480 --> 01:37:29.480
on page 40 of of the agenda is a

01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.736
significant population increase within

01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:34.760
the Burwood area and the and the impacts

01:37:35.040 --> 01:37:38.040
on um infrastructure.

01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:42.056
 where do people go to school? Where

01:37:42.080 --> 01:37:45.080
do they go to the doctor? Um and 

01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:48.856
there are some shops nearby, but it's

01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:51.736
it's not not closeish.

01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:54.760
Um and where do they recreate as well?

01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:57.336
It is it is substantial and I'm I'm not

01:37:57.360 --> 01:38:00.360
yet convinced that that entire master

01:38:00.480 --> 01:38:03.480
planning arrangement has been um looked

01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:05.655
at and the surrounding areas. Now

01:38:05.679 --> 01:38:07.175
perhaps it might have already been done

01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:10.199
by the um development facilitation

01:38:10.480 --> 01:38:13.480
program but I think that more work I

01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.496
think that there needs to be further

01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.056
engagement with the community generally

01:38:18.080 --> 01:38:21.080
on that. Some key points that that I

01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:24.199
think's worthy of mention tonight.

01:38:24.320 --> 01:38:27.016
Um I I'll concentrate mainly on the

01:38:27.040 --> 01:38:30.040
larger one. A variation too. Two 3,258

01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:34.920
dwellings ranging from small apartments,

01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:38.600
single bedrooms, two bedrooms, 182

01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:42.040
3bedrooms, and then 971

01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:44.376
student

01:38:44.400 --> 01:38:47.336
apartments. Um, yeah, I can understand

01:38:47.360 --> 01:38:50.360
the student apartments, um, given its

01:38:50.639 --> 01:38:53.639
proximity to Deacon University,

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:57.560
but public transport isn't easy there

01:38:57.679 --> 01:39:00.215
being it's tram, which takes forever to

01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.695
get to this city, and a bus perhaps to

01:39:02.719 --> 01:39:05.719
get to um, Box Hill or maybe Jordanville

01:39:06.400 --> 01:39:08.856
on the other side. Um it's still a fair

01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:11.880
walk to get to um the proposed or

01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.840
currently under construction um Burwood

01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:20.199
suburban rail loop station itself. So

01:39:20.480 --> 01:39:23.480
councilors um tonight is not about

01:39:24.080 --> 01:39:27.080
making a decision but it's to raise

01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:30.135
public awareness on this very very

01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:32.615
significant development

01:39:32.639 --> 01:39:34.135
proposal

01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.856
for Burwood. That would be not only

01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.016
transformative for Burwood but for the

01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:42.040
region generally. Um and I urge your 

01:39:42.400 --> 01:39:45.175
support in um passing the motion so we

01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:48.199
can send a letter off to um the minister

01:39:48.480 --> 01:39:50.376
for planning to encourage further

01:39:50.400 --> 01:39:52.296
community consultation on the proposal.

01:39:52.320 --> 01:39:54.456
Thank you councilors.

01:39:54.480 --> 01:39:56.296
Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

01:39:56.320 --> 01:39:57.016
Barker.

01:39:57.040 --> 01:39:59.175
Thanks May. Um,

01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:01.095
I think council Davenport's covered off

01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:03.016
that very comprehensively and I'm not a

01:40:03.040 --> 01:40:06.040
conspiracy theorist, but I do find

01:40:06.400 --> 01:40:08.936
the coincidence that we had the standing

01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:11.256
advisory committee for the suburban rail

01:40:11.280 --> 01:40:14.280
loop convene, have its experts and

01:40:14.400 --> 01:40:16.856
everyone have their say

01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:19.736
and that looked at Burwood. But all of a

01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:22.695
sudden, this sort of probably double the

01:40:22.719 --> 01:40:25.016
size of probably about the same size if

01:40:25.040 --> 01:40:27.256
not more of Burwood has then sort of

01:40:27.280 --> 01:40:30.280
been lobbed at the last minute and

01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:33.016
wasn't included in that process. Now, I

01:40:33.040 --> 01:40:34.856
find that

01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:37.416
um curious.

01:40:37.440 --> 01:40:38.215
Curious.

01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:40.135
Curious is probably the best word I've

01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:42.296
got. Why would that be? Now, I don't

01:40:42.320 --> 01:40:44.536
blame the average the the applicant for

01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:47.256
wanting to monetize their, you know,

01:40:47.280 --> 01:40:50.280
monetize their site, but 9,000 people in

01:40:50.719 --> 01:40:53.719
44 45tory apartments there. I'm not I'm

01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:56.135
not sure that a whole lot of thoughts

01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:58.376
being given into how that sort of fits

01:40:58.400 --> 01:41:00.536
into the future of Burwood and indeed

01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:03.256
how it sort of articulates to to Box Hill.

01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:05.336
It might be that poor little old Box Hill

01:41:05.360 --> 01:41:07.896
will be dwarfed by  the towers of

01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:10.296
Burwood  man, which I'd find pretty

01:41:10.320 --> 01:41:12.215
interesting. And I think that's what the

01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:13.655
officers have spoken about in the

01:41:13.679 --> 01:41:15.655
report. I'm not sure that that's been

01:41:15.679 --> 01:41:17.175
well

01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:19.256
well resolved, particularly the open

01:41:19.280 --> 01:41:22.056
space, the the movement um and how it

01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:23.655
sort of fits into the bigger picture.

01:41:23.679 --> 01:41:26.215
They really do need to be well resolved.

01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.135
And we certainly did a lot of that

01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:29.736
interrogation when we looked at the

01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:32.760
major vicinity projects in Box Hill, which

01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:35.736
I believe were very well resolved. and

01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.336
they of course went to the minister

01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:39.816
after they come through this place where

01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:41.896
we'd resolved some of the the ways that

01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:43.896
Whitehorse Road would look. This of

01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.135
course is a bolt-on to Burwood with

01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.856
their own sort of vision and I think um

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.496
the community certainly would would like

01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:53.175
to have a say and again I'm not against

01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:55.095
development because you know unless

01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:56.376
there's development our kids will be

01:41:56.400 --> 01:41:58.695
living in those two-bedroom apartment

01:41:58.719 --> 01:42:01.095
eco apartments in Seymour. So we do have

01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:03.416
to densify Melbourne, but I think that

01:42:03.440 --> 01:42:05.976
this is probably not the way to go about

01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.000
getting a social license to  to drive

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:12.520
very significant change.

01:42:12.719 --> 01:42:13.896
Thank you, Councelor Barker.

01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:14.456
Yes, ma'am.

01:42:14.480 --> 01:42:15.336
Councelor Martin.

01:42:15.360 --> 01:42:18.360
Oh, yeah. Sorry, Council Cuts. Um,

01:42:18.400 --> 01:42:19.736
thanks, Councelor Dampport and Councelor

01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:21.976
Barker. I went on the website and I just

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:23.896
had to look it up. So, it said the

01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:25.256
Minister for Planning had established

01:42:25.280 --> 01:42:27.256
the development facilitation program to

01:42:27.280 --> 01:42:29.095
make faster decisions for priority

01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.976
projects. Um but I didn't see much

01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.215
information for the community. So I'll

01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:35.976
have a deep look there. But it wasn't it

01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:37.896
was a pretty it was basically um click

01:42:37.920 --> 01:42:40.776
on and apply here. Um I understand why

01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.496
the government may manage such such a

01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.576
precinct you know directly based on size

01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.816
scale and priority projects but that

01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:49.336
said I certainly think the city of white

01:42:49.360 --> 01:42:51.016
horse can add value to this process in

01:42:51.040 --> 01:42:53.016
ser several areas as outlined in the

01:42:53.040 --> 01:42:55.655
report. Um for this side I think the

01:42:55.679 --> 01:42:57.736
planning is well within yeah Whitehorse

01:42:57.760 --> 01:42:59.496
contributing um and it's a project

01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:01.736
offering local significance

01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:04.296
um but but um sometimes these projects

01:43:04.320 --> 01:43:06.376
just would say should be state

01:43:06.400 --> 01:43:07.896
significance. I'm not sure if it's that

01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.135
but um but the things I liked in the

01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:11.736
report that we were really concerned

01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:13.496
about was the active transport

01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:16.376
connections, the canopy tree targets,

01:43:16.400 --> 01:43:19.175
open space targets, um walkable through

01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:21.175
block linkages enable safe community and

01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:23.496
preventative crime through good design.

01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:26.376
um the integrated water management. Um

01:43:26.400 --> 01:43:29.095
and yeah, it was just that there's as as

01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.095
council de was saying there's 9,000

01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:32.615
extra people here and we just got to try

01:43:32.639 --> 01:43:33.896
and understand how they're going to move

01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:36.920
about our city. Um so yeah and I was I

01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:39.095
was al actually also fascinated that the

01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.336
report did identify that the SR is you

01:43:41.360 --> 01:43:42.776
know it's literally next door so we

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.016
can't understand why this was not

01:43:45.040 --> 01:43:47.095
included in the SRL Bwood precinct

01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:49.095
planning process and this was a very

01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:52.119
extensive process panels lawyers it was

01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.800
ex understatement it was extensive so

01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:58.695
may one of my  mandates as a councelor

01:43:58.719 --> 01:44:00.536
when I sort of went to the election was

01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:01.976
to make sure I represent the city of

01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:03.896
Whitehorse and the community for good

01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:05.336
planning outcomes

01:44:05.360 --> 01:44:06.856
And based on this premise, I'll be

01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:07.976
supporting council for this

01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.576
communication proposed to the Minister

01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:11.016
for Planning and certainly not in a

01:44:11.040 --> 01:44:13.256
combative combative tone, but merely as

01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:14.936
a council being a valued and trusted

01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:16.615
partner for such precincts and

01:44:16.639 --> 01:44:18.615
importantly community consultation.

01:44:18.639 --> 01:44:19.816
Thank you.

01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:21.256
Thank you, Councelor Martin. Councelor

01:44:21.280 --> 01:44:21.816
Cuts.

01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:23.175
Yes. Thank you,Mayor. Look, I have a

01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.336
question to start with if I may because

01:44:25.360 --> 01:44:27.736
I understand the SRL and Burwood is is

01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:30.456
up to 20 stories and yet this is up to

01:44:30.480 --> 01:44:32.776
45 stories. Could I get that actually

01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:35.576
clarified, please? Mr. Green, please

01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.600
could you come to the lecton

01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:41.816
three? That is correct. Under the draft

01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:44.840
precinct plan for Bwit, the the highest

01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:47.880
height is 20 stories.

01:44:48.639 --> 01:44:49.576
Council cuts.

01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:51.736
Thank you very much,Mayor. Well, I

01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:53.175
certainly support council's

01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:54.856
recommendation here and support the

01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.016
comments previously made, but given that

01:44:57.040 --> 01:45:00.040
the SRL in Burwood is meant to be 20

01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:03.960
stories at the highest, um that is an

01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:05.896
activity center and the Metropolitan

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.296
Activity Center in Whitehorse is Box

01:45:08.320 --> 01:45:11.320
Hill, which um can go up to 40 stories.

01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:15.175
I think this is a massive 

01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:17.336
overdevelopment in terms of what what is

01:45:17.360 --> 01:45:19.016
being offered here and I I'm

01:45:19.040 --> 01:45:20.936
disappointed that that hasn't been part

01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.960
of the um panel when we were discussing

01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:26.056
the burwood SRL of course this is

01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:29.080
slightly outside of that area but um you

01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:32.440
know I think in terms of um the state

01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:35.016
government coming out and saying this is

01:45:35.040 --> 01:45:36.856
one of its strategic sites I think it's

01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:39.655
really important to respect councils we

01:45:39.679 --> 01:45:42.679
do a lot of work we we've decades of

01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:45.816
experience about our community and I

01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.576
would think that that would be by the

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:50.056
state government should be respected. So

01:45:50.080 --> 01:45:52.856
we have deep knowledge about our area

01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:54.936
and about our people and I think that

01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:57.016
that is really critical that that should

01:45:57.040 --> 01:45:59.496
be taken into account. this development

01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.416
facilitation program which I understand

01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:03.175
this is one of seven strategic sites

01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:05.976
across Victoria and no doubt will um

01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:07.496
have a lot of people saying it's a great

01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:09.256
idea but at the other end of the

01:46:09.280 --> 01:46:10.776
spectrum I think we've got to look at

01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:13.496
the fact that this is not an area which

01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:15.576
was would have ever been thought to be

01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.600
something beyond maybe three stories. So

01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:22.615
certainly being such a large site, yes,

01:46:22.639 --> 01:46:24.215
obviously allowed to go up, but this is

01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:25.976
it's fairly disappointing that that

01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:28.135
hasn't been included as part of the um

01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:30.856
SRL discussions. So thank you,Mayor.

01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.456
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Councelor

01:46:32.480 --> 01:46:32.776
Allen.

01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.536
Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Madame May.

01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:37.496
Um I just re reiterate what what other

01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:39.336
councils have already said. I'm so

01:46:39.360 --> 01:46:41.976
disappointed in this um to sort of come

01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:43.336
around, you know, that we've been

01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:45.256
through a process. I know the two the

01:46:45.280 --> 01:46:47.576
two processes aren't similar because you

01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:50.600
got with the SRLA and and the  and the

01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:52.695
and the and the committee that was 

01:46:52.719 --> 01:46:55.719
that was connected to that and and that

01:46:56.080 --> 01:46:58.056
has been  that's highlighted in the

01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:00.296
report as well and but and then to come

01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:01.816
along at the last minute as councelor

01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:04.056
Barker said to have this whole new you

01:47:04.080 --> 01:47:07.080
know 10 hectares and  you know talking

01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:10.456
about 3,258

01:47:10.480 --> 01:47:13.480
 residences   yeah properties and

01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:15.576
and around about 9,000 we're expecting

01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:18.600
9,000 people. Um it just it just beggars

01:47:18.639 --> 01:47:21.639
belief that they would actually allow

01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:24.695
this to happen. But then again, the way

01:47:24.719 --> 01:47:26.215
this government's going at this stage,

01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:29.095
well, they they they don't seem to to

01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:31.976
have an idea about consultation, they

01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:34.695
seem to ride, you know, local government

01:47:34.719 --> 01:47:37.416
 you know, isn't respected as as

01:47:37.440 --> 01:47:39.576
councelor Cuts has said. They don't seem

01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:42.296
to respect us. we're in the way, you

01:47:42.320 --> 01:47:44.376
know, which we it's easy to ride rough

01:47:44.400 --> 01:47:46.215
shot over us and I don't and I don't see

01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:48.456
the point in doing that when we can

01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:51.480
contribute so much and we try to um as

01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:52.776
as I've mentioned a couple of times

01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:54.536
before, we've got our own housing

01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:57.336
studying that's being updated. Um and

01:47:57.360 --> 01:48:00.360
that was and that had capacity for more

01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.376
development than what the state

01:48:02.400 --> 01:48:03.896
government was going to do over the

01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.920
activity centers and and the Box Hill 

01:48:07.360 --> 01:48:10.360
 activity center as well. So, and and

01:48:10.400 --> 01:48:12.536
then this comes along last minute as

01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:14.536
councelor Barker said. I mean, yes, 

01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.256
Mount Scopus  have got every right to

01:48:17.280 --> 01:48:20.280
try and get as much extract as much um

01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:23.336
butter money out of  out of their

01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:26.360
sales of of of this. But I I'm sort of,

01:48:26.400 --> 01:48:27.896
you know, you look back now that, you

01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:29.896
know, in Box Hill's

01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:32.056
all the towers there, you know, there's

01:48:32.080 --> 01:48:35.080
well over,500 vacancies there now with

01:48:35.280 --> 01:48:37.816
the existing towers. There's no cranes

01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:40.695
in in Boxhill at the moment. Um, you

01:48:40.719 --> 01:48:43.496
know, I could I could see this  this

01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:45.256
new documentary coming out called The

01:48:45.280 --> 01:48:47.175
Towers of Burwood and the Towers of

01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:50.199
Box Hill. , and I look forward to the 

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:51.736
look forward to someone doing a a

01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.056
mockumentary on something like that. It

01:48:54.080 --> 01:48:57.080
it but seriously um this this is just

01:48:58.480 --> 01:49:01.480
this is just not on and is are we being

01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:04.615
combative? Well, that may be a matter of

01:49:04.639 --> 01:49:06.376
opinion. Um, I'd like to be as

01:49:06.400 --> 01:49:07.816
competitive as possible with this state

01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:09.896
government, but I have no made no secret

01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:12.920
about that. Um, recommendation two is

01:49:13.280 --> 01:49:14.695
very important. Advocate on behalf of

01:49:14.719 --> 01:49:16.215
committee for greater accountability in

01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:17.256
state government development,

01:49:17.280 --> 01:49:19.416
facilitation, including public

01:49:19.440 --> 01:49:21.016
engagement. This is what this is all

01:49:21.040 --> 01:49:23.416
about. And I'm I'm so disappointed that

01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:25.256
it's come to this. I mean, as I said,

01:49:25.280 --> 01:49:26.776
Mount Scopia has got every right to go

01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:29.175
ahead with what their plans are. , but

01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.576
to do it like this is it's just not on

01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:33.655
it. It's not fair. It's not equitable.

01:49:33.679 --> 01:49:35.416
and it's just frankly not on.

01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:37.816
Thank you, Councelor Allen. Would anyone

01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:39.016
else like to speak to the motion?

01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:39.655
Yes,Mayor.

01:49:39.679 --> 01:49:40.536
Councelor Simpson.

01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:42.936
Thank you,Mayor. What really troubles

01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.816
me about this issue, councilors, is the

01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:48.536
secrecy.

01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:51.016
What as noted in the report, and I'm

01:49:51.040 --> 01:49:53.095
quoting here, officers are concerned

01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:55.256
about the attempt by the um DFP to use

01:49:55.280 --> 01:49:57.095
confidentiality as a mechanism to

01:49:57.119 --> 01:49:58.776
curtail officer's ability to brief

01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:01.655
counsel or engage with the public.

01:50:01.679 --> 01:50:04.056
End quote.

01:50:04.080 --> 01:50:06.536
and councilors. This comes on top of an

01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.615
article that was published in the age on

01:50:08.639 --> 01:50:11.336
the 15th, sorry, the 17th of March this

01:50:11.360 --> 01:50:13.175
year

01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.496
where according to the Victorian

01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:17.175
legislative council's inquiry into

01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:19.336
community consultation, it was found

01:50:19.360 --> 01:50:21.175
that members of community groups,

01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:22.376
council offices, and other

01:50:22.400 --> 01:50:24.536
representatives were required to sign

01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:27.560
non-disclosure agreements.

01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:30.695
This level of secrecy is hurting our

01:50:30.719 --> 01:50:32.456
community.

01:50:32.480 --> 01:50:35.480
It's not right and it's not fair.

01:50:36.719 --> 01:50:37.976
And that's the thing that troubles me

01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:39.896
the most about this the way that this

01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.215
issue has unfolded. If the state

01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:44.376
government wanted to genuinely engage

01:50:44.400 --> 01:50:46.376
with us,

01:50:46.400 --> 01:50:49.400
sure, by all means. But then let's do

01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:50.776
the right thing and take it to the

01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:52.536
public. How do they feel about the

01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:54.936
potential for 45tory towers on this

01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.960
site? It's coming out now,

01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.695
but it just really troubles me. And so,

01:51:02.719 --> 01:51:04.056
councilors, we should of course support

01:51:04.080 --> 01:51:07.080
this motion that's before us,

01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:09.496
but that is the broader issue that's at

01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:12.520
stake here. Honest, transparent

01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:14.615
 communication not only between

01:51:14.639 --> 01:51:15.976
different tiers of government, but also

01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:18.296
with members of the public.

01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:19.816
And as councelor Davenport's already

01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.296
outlined with his comments about the

01:51:22.320 --> 01:51:25.320
impacts with the growth of population,

01:51:25.440 --> 01:51:26.856
what's going to happen about the loss of

01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:28.776
open space? Who's going to have to

01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:31.336
provide  to to make that up? Is it

01:51:31.360 --> 01:51:32.376
going to be council? Is it going to be

01:51:32.400 --> 01:51:34.456
the state government? We don't know.

01:51:34.480 --> 01:51:36.615
What loss of sporting ovals? Exactly,

01:51:36.639 --> 01:51:37.976
Councelor Allen, which is very relevant

01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:39.095
to some of the discussions we've had

01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:40.856
tonight. Tree canopy. These are all

01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:42.856
extremely valid, pertinent questions and

01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:44.296
they're questions that need to be asked

01:51:44.320 --> 01:51:47.320
and answered and discussed with the

01:51:47.679 --> 01:51:50.679
community, not hiding things from them.

01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:53.816
And therefore, I'm very disappointed

01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:56.215
with the secrecy around this issue and I

01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:59.239
hope that we can try to be   with

01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.135
the state government more inclusive of

01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:03.976
our community going forwards. Thank you,

01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:05.575
Mayor.

01:52:05.599 --> 01:52:06.936
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would

01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:09.960
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

01:52:11.280 --> 01:52:13.095
I now put the motion. Please keep your

01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:16.119
hands up if if you're in support in

01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:19.016
favor

01:52:19.040 --> 01:52:22.040
unanimously.

01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:32.056
Given that we've been meeting now for

01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:33.816
nearly an hour and a half, I'll give you

01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:35.976
an 8 minute break. Please be back at

01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:39.000
9:00.

01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:42.199
And now move to item 10.5, the arts and

01:52:43.040 --> 01:52:45.816
civic collections policy. Could I have a

01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:48.536
counselor move the art? Councelor Cuts.

01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:50.296
Could I have a a counselor second the

01:52:50.320 --> 01:52:50.776
motion?

01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:51.496
Second,Mayor.

01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:53.496
Councelor Weller.

01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:54.536
Councelor Cuts.

01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:56.536
Thank you,Mayor. I speak in strong

01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:58.056
support of the arts and civic

01:52:58.080 --> 01:53:01.080
collections policy 2026 to 2023 before

01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:04.199
us. At its core, this policy is not

01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:07.800
simply about artworks or artifacts. It's

01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:11.239
about who we are as a community,

01:53:12.080 --> 01:53:15.080
how we tell our story, and what we

01:53:15.599 --> 01:53:18.056
choose to preserve for those who come

01:53:18.080 --> 01:53:20.456
after us.

01:53:20.480 --> 01:53:22.376
The city of Whitehorse holds its art

01:53:22.400 --> 01:53:24.615
collection and civic collection in trust

01:53:24.639 --> 01:53:27.095
for our community. That is a

01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.256
responsibility we should never take

01:53:29.280 --> 01:53:31.256
lightly.

01:53:31.280 --> 01:53:33.816
These collections are not just assets on

01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.840
a register. They are living reflections

01:53:37.040 --> 01:53:40.040
of our history, our diversity, and our

01:53:40.080 --> 01:53:42.456
shared identity.

01:53:42.480 --> 01:53:44.695
Through this policy, we reaffirm our

01:53:44.719 --> 01:53:46.695
commitment to careful stewardship to

01:53:46.719 --> 01:53:49.016
professional standards and to ensuring

01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:50.936
these collections remain accessible and

01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:53.960
relevant to our residents. Importantly,

01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:56.296
the policy recognizes the breadth and

01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:59.016
significance of what we already hold.

01:53:59.040 --> 01:54:01.416
More than 2,000 artworks and hundreds of

01:54:01.440 --> 01:54:03.575
civic items together tell the story of

01:54:03.599 --> 01:54:05.496
Whitehorse from its early artistic

01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.256
roots through to its modern

01:54:07.280 --> 01:54:10.056
multicultural character. But this policy

01:54:10.080 --> 01:54:12.056
is not just about preservation. It's

01:54:12.080 --> 01:54:14.456
also about progress. It acknowledges

01:54:14.480 --> 01:54:16.296
that our collections must continue to

01:54:16.320 --> 01:54:18.135
grow and evolve. That means

01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:19.736
strengthening representation of

01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:21.575
Aboriginal toouristrate islander

01:54:21.599 --> 01:54:23.736
artists. It means addressing historical

01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:25.816
gaps including the under reppresentation

01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:27.816
of women. And it means embracing the

01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:29.976
cultural diversity that defines our

01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:32.936
municipality today. These are not

01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:35.416
abstract goals. They are practical steps

01:54:35.440 --> 01:54:37.095
towards ensuring that every member of

01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:39.976
our community can see themselves

01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:42.056
reflected in the cultural life of this

01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:44.215
city. They are also very tangible

01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:46.936
benefits to supporting this policy. Our

01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:49.736
collections build community identity.

01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:51.655
They provide educational opportunities

01:54:51.679 --> 01:54:54.456
for students and lifelong learners. They

01:54:54.480 --> 01:54:56.695
enrich our public spaces and create

01:54:56.719 --> 01:54:58.776
everyday encounters with art that

01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:01.800
inspire and uplift. They also contribute

01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:04.456
to our local economy. A strong cultural

01:55:04.480 --> 01:55:06.615
offering attracts visitors, supports

01:55:06.639 --> 01:55:08.695
artists, and enhances the reputation of

01:55:08.719 --> 01:55:11.095
Whitehorse as a vibrant and creative

01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:13.816
municipality. Just as importantly, the

01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:15.976
civic collection ensures that we honor

01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:18.296
our history, our civic milestones, and

01:55:18.320 --> 01:55:19.816
the contributions of those who have

01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:22.536
shaped our city. from community leases

01:55:22.560 --> 01:55:25.016
to local sporting champions to our

01:55:25.040 --> 01:55:27.175
sister city relationship of over 50

01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:30.199
years with the Japanese city of Matsudo.

01:55:30.320 --> 01:55:32.376
Colleagues, this policy also aligns with

01:55:32.400 --> 01:55:34.615
recognized museum standards and ethical

01:55:34.639 --> 01:55:36.056
frameworks. It ensures that our

01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:38.215
collections are managed with integrity,

01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:41.239
transparency and professionalism.

01:55:41.360 --> 01:55:42.776
I also want to take a moment to

01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:44.615
highlight the full recommendation before

01:55:44.639 --> 01:55:46.695
us tonight, which is that firstly,

01:55:46.719 --> 01:55:48.936
council adopts the revised arts and

01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.736
civic collections policy. Secondly, that

01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:53.816
council approves the purchase of Anamea

01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.840
Mian OAM's leaping lace wings textile

01:55:57.280 --> 01:55:59.655
color plan and sketch using the adopted

01:55:59.679 --> 01:56:02.536
202526 capital works budget for art

01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.496
acquisitions and conservation. Thirdly,

01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.976
that council endorses the updated art

01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:10.056
culture advisory committee terms of

01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:11.976
reference. And lastly, that council

01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:13.896
adopts the name change of Whitehorse

01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:16.920
Art Space to Whitehorse Art Gallery.

01:56:17.599 --> 01:56:19.336
Each of these elements complements the

01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:21.016
policy and strengthens our comm

01:56:21.040 --> 01:56:22.856
commitment to arts and culture across

01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:25.816
the municipality. Tonight, our decision

01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:28.376
is a simple but important one. Do we

01:56:28.400 --> 01:56:30.296
continue to invest in the cultural life

01:56:30.320 --> 01:56:32.456
of our city? Do we ensure that our

01:56:32.480 --> 01:56:34.376
collections reflect the diversity and

01:56:34.400 --> 01:56:36.936
riches and richness of our community?

01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:39.175
And do we uphold our responsibility to

01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:40.776
preserve these assets for future

01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:42.296
generations?

01:56:42.320 --> 01:56:44.695
Supporting this policy means yes to all

01:56:44.719 --> 01:56:47.175
of those questions. It means recognizing

01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:50.199
that arts and culture are not optional

01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:53.095
extras, but indeed are essential

01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:55.655
elements of a thriving, connected, and

01:56:55.679 --> 01:56:58.456
inclusive community. I commend the

01:56:58.480 --> 01:57:00.056
officers for their work in bringing this

01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:01.496
policy forward and urge fellow

01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:04.376
councilors to support the policy. Thank

01:57:04.400 --> 01:57:06.936
you.

01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:09.416
Thank you councelor Katz. Council Wella.

01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:12.440
Thank youMayor. This revised art and

01:57:12.480 --> 01:57:15.480
civic collection policy for 26 to 33

01:57:16.480 --> 01:57:19.480
really strengthens how we care for grow

01:57:19.679 --> 01:57:22.296
and share the Whitehorse art and civic

01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:25.016
collections. It is the result of

01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:28.040
detailed curatorial work, genuine

01:57:28.480 --> 01:57:31.256
community input, and thoughtful advice

01:57:31.280 --> 01:57:33.496
from our art and culture advisory

01:57:33.520 --> 01:57:36.520
committee. The policy sets out five

01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:39.960
clear focus areas that reflect what our

01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.239
community told us they value while also

01:57:43.360 --> 01:57:45.416
honoring the unique heritage of the

01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:47.896
Box Hill Artist Camp.

01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:50.376
What we now have is a more focused

01:57:50.400 --> 01:57:52.936
direction for the collection, one that

01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:55.816
keeps us nationally relevant while still

01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:58.135
celebrating works with strong local

01:57:58.159 --> 01:57:59.736
significance.

01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:02.760
The policy also improves transparency,

01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:05.655
strengthens our acquisition pathways,

01:58:05.679 --> 01:58:07.976
and reinforces our commitment to working

01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.776
with cultural partners. We are already

01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:12.856
seeing the benefits of that through our

01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.416
loans, exhibitions, and collaborations

01:58:15.440 --> 01:58:17.416
across the sector.

01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:20.056
I support the proposed acquisition of

01:58:20.080 --> 01:58:22.695
Anamea Mines's major textile work

01:58:22.719 --> 01:58:25.336
leaping lace wings along with the two

01:58:25.360 --> 01:58:28.360
preparatory pieces and the renaming of

01:58:28.480 --> 01:58:31.095
Whitehorse Art Space to Whitehorse Art

01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:34.119
Gallery is a simple but meaningful step.

01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:37.416
It was originally set up as an event

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:40.215
space that happened to include art, but

01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:42.615
it makes sense that it now aligns more

01:58:42.639 --> 01:58:44.456
clearly with the collection and its

01:58:44.480 --> 01:58:47.175
growing role in our community. I commend

01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:50.135
the report and its recommendations.

01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:51.416
Thank you, Council Weller.

01:58:51.440 --> 01:58:54.215
I'd like to move and anyone like

01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:57.239
Excuse me.

01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:01.560
Would

01:59:02.719 --> 01:59:04.056
anyone like else like to speak to the

01:59:04.080 --> 01:59:04.376
motion

01:59:04.400 --> 01:59:05.976
like to move an amendment? May

01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:07.256
councelor Griffith

01:59:07.280 --> 01:59:09.575
amendment will be to 0.1 and the

01:59:09.599 --> 01:59:12.599
deletion of 2 and the deletion.3.

01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:20.199
So are you including 2 and 3 in a

01:59:21.760 --> 01:59:24.760
the deletion of 2 and the deletion of.3

01:59:25.040 --> 01:59:28.040
and the amended 0.1? Yes, that's

01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:30.456
correct.Mayor,

01:59:30.480 --> 01:59:33.480
thank you.

01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:36.936
What as a mover, would you like Do you

01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:37.655
support this amendment?

01:59:37.679 --> 01:59:39.256
No, I do not support the amendment.

01:59:39.280 --> 01:59:40.296
Councelor Weller,

01:59:40.320 --> 01:59:43.320
no, not supported,Mayor. Um, does

01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:45.816
anyone second the amendment?

01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:46.456
Yes,Mayor.

01:59:46.480 --> 01:59:49.416
Councelor Davenport. Councelor Rufus.

01:59:49.440 --> 01:59:51.655
Oh, thanks,Mayor.

01:59:51.679 --> 01:59:54.679
, the deletion of three is the one I

01:59:54.800 --> 01:59:57.800
feel most passionately about. We the

01:59:58.320 --> 02:00:01.095
report doesn't actually provide any any

02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:02.056
information at all.

02:00:02.080 --> 02:00:03.256
Point of orderMayor.

02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:03.736
Yep.

02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:04.615
Councelor Cuts.

02:00:04.639 --> 02:00:07.256
Um relevanceMayor because.3 there's

02:00:07.280 --> 02:00:08.936
no.3

02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:10.056
being represented to us

02:00:10.080 --> 02:00:12.296
upholding  the point of order.

02:00:12.320 --> 02:00:13.416
Councelor Griffith.

02:00:13.440 --> 02:00:14.776
Thank thank youMayor. The art

02:00:14.800 --> 02:00:17.800
collection policy

02:00:18.080 --> 02:00:20.536
um the amendments put here. So I'll go

02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:22.456
through them step by step those that are

02:00:22.480 --> 02:00:25.480
on the screen. Point A. At the moment,

02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:27.736
the themes are very broad in the art

02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:29.416
policy. You could almost drive a bus

02:00:29.440 --> 02:00:32.135
through them. If you want to go and see

02:00:32.159 --> 02:00:35.159
art, you probably go to the NGV or a

02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:38.456
larger museum. So, Mache has a very

02:00:38.480 --> 02:00:41.336
focused policy, has something very

02:00:41.360 --> 02:00:43.416
specific. Whitehorse has collected

02:00:43.440 --> 02:00:45.496
things over the years from other

02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:48.135
galleries that failed to maintain them

02:00:48.159 --> 02:00:50.215
or put them to good use. So, we have a

02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:52.776
really large collection. But moving

02:00:52.800 --> 02:00:54.856
forward, I think it would be good if

02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:56.776
Whitehorse has a unique selling point.

02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:59.175
So the artwork in the corridor out there

02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:02.199
has a connection to this place. That's

02:01:02.320 --> 02:01:05.175
also a very loose and  a generous

02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:07.655
criteria to impose

02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:09.175
because if people are coming here to a

02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:12.056
municipal art gallery, there should be a

02:01:12.080 --> 02:01:15.080
municipal connection to the Whitehorse.

02:01:15.679 --> 02:01:18.536
The expression of interestonly process.

02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:21.560
In the past, the process was a curator

02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:23.976
or another officer would put forward a

02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:25.896
recommendation.

02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:27.496
Councilors have experienced what it's

02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:29.016
like to sit on the art collections

02:01:29.040 --> 02:01:31.575
committee recently in a briefing. You

02:01:31.599 --> 02:01:33.736
might get a suggestion of a piece of

02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:35.896
work, a really strong case of why we

02:01:35.920 --> 02:01:37.655
should purchase it. But what I'm

02:01:37.679 --> 02:01:39.736
interested in there is all the other

02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:41.655
artists out there in Whitehorse that

02:01:41.679 --> 02:01:44.135
didn't get a fair go. They didn't get a

02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:47.159
chance to put forward their best foot.

02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:49.816
And also our procurement policy also

02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:52.135
looks at prioritizing local people,

02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:54.456
local artists.

02:01:54.480 --> 02:01:57.480
What I'm looking for is for the capital

02:01:57.840 --> 02:02:00.776
works project  works of the art and

02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:03.800
civic collections  space to follow

02:02:05.040 --> 02:02:07.095
what happens elsewhere in the

02:02:07.119 --> 02:02:09.655
organization in terms of procurement.

02:02:09.679 --> 02:02:12.296
You pro you collect a few quotes or you

02:02:12.320 --> 02:02:14.456
go out to tender depends on the the

02:02:14.480 --> 02:02:16.376
cost. That's what I'd like to see here.

02:02:16.400 --> 02:02:19.400
It's about giving all artists a fair go.

02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:23.095
Previously, the recommendations were put

02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:25.655
to a specific group of people with

02:02:25.679 --> 02:02:28.615
specialization in art expertise. We've

02:02:28.639 --> 02:02:31.639
chose to broaden that out.

02:02:32.560 --> 02:02:35.416
In doing so, I'm conscious that I need

02:02:35.440 --> 02:02:37.496
to speak to the motion. So, the art and

02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:39.336
civics collection policy used to go to a

02:02:39.360 --> 02:02:41.496
very narrow committee in terms of its

02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:44.520
scope. We've broadened that out,

02:02:44.719 --> 02:02:46.856
which is why it must go through an

02:02:46.880 --> 02:02:48.856
expression of interest process now

02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:50.776
because we cannot revert back to what we

02:02:50.800 --> 02:02:52.856
did without changing the people that

02:02:52.880 --> 02:02:54.936
would be on that committee. We cannot

02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.960
have ballet dancers, brass band players

02:02:58.159 --> 02:02:59.816
making decisions about potential

02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:01.816
acquisitions. We do not go to our sports

02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:03.575
committee and say we're thinking of

02:03:03.599 --> 02:03:05.816
going with this company

02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:08.776
to build a pavilion. We do not go to the

02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:10.695
community or environmental group and say

02:03:10.719 --> 02:03:13.416
we're thinking of buying this land.

02:03:13.440 --> 02:03:16.440
It's very clear why we don't do that.

02:03:16.560 --> 02:03:18.936
But when it comes to acquiring art, we

02:03:18.960 --> 02:03:21.960
don't apply the same principles.

02:03:23.679 --> 02:03:26.679
The report speaks to a previous motion

02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:28.615
where

02:03:28.639 --> 02:03:31.639
we council requested a report on past

02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:34.296
acquisitions and how much they cost. I

02:03:34.320 --> 02:03:36.456
was told well in the report it says that

02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:38.456
that's could be considered confidential

02:03:38.480 --> 02:03:41.256
information and intellectual property

02:03:41.280 --> 02:03:43.416
considerations.

02:03:43.440 --> 02:03:46.135
I don't think we should be providing

02:03:46.159 --> 02:03:48.695
that information to community members or

02:03:48.719 --> 02:03:51.016
an advisory committee.

02:03:51.040 --> 02:03:52.856
It needs to go through a process like an

02:03:52.880 --> 02:03:54.215
expression of interest process.

02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:57.239
Transparency. Give everyone a fair go.

02:03:57.440 --> 02:04:00.440
equality of opportunity for all artists

02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:02.695
across Victoria that might have a

02:04:02.719 --> 02:04:04.856
connection with the city of Whitehorse.

02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:06.695
And when it comes to loaning art, at the

02:04:06.719 --> 02:04:09.719
moment about 33% of our art is out of

02:04:10.480 --> 02:04:12.936
public sight. It's important that we

02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:15.336
start to sweat these assets like we look

02:04:15.360 --> 02:04:17.816
to elsewhere in the organization and we

02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:20.536
should make that as simple as possible.

02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:23.016
Council's renowned for red tape. We

02:04:23.040 --> 02:04:24.695
should be trying to make it as easy as

02:04:24.719 --> 02:04:27.719
possible to extract value from these 

02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:29.736
works for the benefit of the community.

02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:31.336
And that's what really at the heart of

02:04:31.360 --> 02:04:34.360
this. We talk about collecting things

02:04:35.599 --> 02:04:37.736
as if that's a gathering activity. The

02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:39.256
important thing is putting it on display

02:04:39.280 --> 02:04:42.280
for the community.

02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:44.456
The restriction of connections to White

02:04:44.480 --> 02:04:46.776
Horse does not mean that the Whitehorse

02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:48.776
Art Gallery, if approved, could not put

02:04:48.800 --> 02:04:50.776
on exhibits that are much more diverse

02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:53.416
than that. This is about what are we

02:04:53.440 --> 02:04:55.575
collecting? What are we spending rate

02:04:55.599 --> 02:04:58.135
payers money on? And that connection to

02:04:58.159 --> 02:04:59.976
place is very important for something

02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:02.135
called the Whitehorse Art Gallery.

02:05:02.159 --> 02:05:03.976
Thanks,Mayor.

02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:05.575
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Councelor

02:05:05.599 --> 02:05:06.776
Davenport.

02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:08.776
Well, thank you. Thank you,Mayor. And

02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:10.615
um I'm pleased to be able to support

02:05:10.639 --> 02:05:13.639
this  this amendment tonight. Um, for

02:05:14.639 --> 02:05:17.639
point number one, , the amendment is

02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:20.215
is, , three-fold, which, , Council

02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:22.776
Griffith has already outlined. I've been

02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:24.536
on the art committee before, the visual

02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:27.560
arts committee. It's now, um, , the

02:05:28.639 --> 02:05:31.575
more broader committee um, that we have

02:05:31.599 --> 02:05:33.655
that looks after

02:05:33.679 --> 02:05:35.655
other aspects of art within the

02:05:35.679 --> 02:05:37.976
municipality being the arts and cultural

02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:40.296
advisory committee. This committee

02:05:40.320 --> 02:05:43.320
should have a very similar bent to all

02:05:44.080 --> 02:05:46.695
of our other committees.

02:05:46.719 --> 02:05:49.016
Arts always been different where you've

02:05:49.040 --> 02:05:52.040
had um a committee provide an extra

02:05:52.560 --> 02:05:55.336
level of input on what is typically a

02:05:55.360 --> 02:05:58.360
sole source type decision where where um

02:05:58.400 --> 02:06:00.695
paintings or other type of art is

02:06:00.719 --> 02:06:03.016
brought to that committee for um a

02:06:03.040 --> 02:06:06.040
review. I like the concept of having an

02:06:06.960 --> 02:06:09.816
expression of interest to say to the

02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:12.695
community or to art galleries to say

02:06:12.719 --> 02:06:14.615
these are our collection principles.

02:06:14.639 --> 02:06:16.615
What do you have that you can offer up

02:06:16.639 --> 02:06:19.639
to us? And then that expression of

02:06:20.400 --> 02:06:22.296
interest then drives that procurement

02:06:22.320 --> 02:06:25.320
process and that that can include

02:06:25.679 --> 02:06:27.976
um engaging members of the community to

02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:30.215
provide feed feedback on that. But my

02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:33.239
preference is that we follow that EOI

02:06:33.280 --> 02:06:36.280
process and we have to be more focused

02:06:36.719 --> 02:06:39.496
on our um collection to have that

02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:41.655
connection with the city of Whitehorse

02:06:41.679 --> 02:06:44.055
and be able to share our particular

02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:46.936
assets um further.

02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:48.936
I think you'll notice in the amendment

02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:51.816
today that that from the substantive two

02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:54.055
points of that original motion has been

02:06:54.079 --> 02:06:57.079
deleted and and and point the one point

02:06:57.760 --> 02:06:59.655
that's been deleted point three which

02:06:59.679 --> 02:07:02.679
was to change the the um terms of

02:07:02.719 --> 02:07:04.695
reference I wholeheartedly agree with.

02:07:04.719 --> 02:07:07.719
We went through a significant process, a

02:07:07.840 --> 02:07:09.816
significant process to come up with new

02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:11.896
terms of reference and go and talk to

02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:13.496
people about those new terms of

02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:16.520
reference and get feedback and then come

02:07:17.440 --> 02:07:20.055
to a council report not that long ago.

02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:22.456
And in my view, we should see how that

02:07:22.480 --> 02:07:25.416
works before making any further changes.

02:07:25.440 --> 02:07:27.256
We have to have the art and cultural

02:07:27.280 --> 02:07:30.280
advisory committee um look more broadly

02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:32.536
across the spectrum and not be drawn

02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:35.560
into just providing feedback on artwork.

02:07:38.400 --> 02:07:40.055
The current terms of reference that

02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:43.079
we've already approved does that work.

02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:46.199
Um I won't make any other comment on the

02:07:46.320 --> 02:07:49.320
um acquisition proposal which was 

02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:51.816
point 2 of the original motion which has

02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:54.615
been deleted other than to say that my

02:07:54.639 --> 02:07:57.256
preference is we go through an EOI and

02:07:57.280 --> 02:07:59.336
if the EOI gets to the same answer and

02:07:59.360 --> 02:08:01.416
you have that process I'm happy but with

02:08:01.440 --> 02:08:04.296
a sole source type decision I'm not um

02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:07.175
I'm not  supportive of that that

02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:09.336
process. Council

02:08:09.360 --> 02:08:11.095
thank you councelor Davenport. Would

02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:12.215
anyone else like to speak to the

02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:14.376
amendment? Yes, ma'am.

02:08:14.400 --> 02:08:15.416
Council Stennet.

02:08:15.440 --> 02:08:18.055
Thank you,Mayor. Um, I'd like just like

02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:19.816
to address a couple of points been

02:08:19.840 --> 02:08:21.496
raised regarding the acquisition

02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:23.095
approach

02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:25.575
um for our collections. Um firstly, the

02:08:25.599 --> 02:08:27.175
suggestions that all future collections

02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:29.175
should have a direct and explicit

02:08:29.199 --> 02:08:30.536
connection to Whitehorse as I'm

02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:32.856
interpreting the motion. On the surface,

02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:34.456
that might seem reasonable. After all,

02:08:34.480 --> 02:08:36.215
it's a civic collection held in trust

02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:38.215
for the White House community. But taken

02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:40.376
as a rigid rule, it would significantly

02:08:40.400 --> 02:08:42.296
narrow narrow the purpose and value of

02:08:42.320 --> 02:08:44.376
our collection over time. Our collection

02:08:44.400 --> 02:08:46.776
isn't simply a local historical archive.

02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:48.215
It's a cultural collection that sits

02:08:48.239 --> 02:08:50.055
within a much broader Australian

02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:51.896
artistic context. It's been shaped by

02:08:51.920 --> 02:08:54.055
the legacy of the Boxhill Artist Camp

02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:55.336
and the Australian Impressionist

02:08:55.360 --> 02:08:57.496
Movement. Artists who were inspired by

02:08:57.520 --> 02:08:59.816
place, but whose work speaks well beyond

02:08:59.840 --> 02:09:02.695
a single suburb or or municipality. If

02:09:02.719 --> 02:09:03.816
we were to require that every

02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:05.336
acquisition must have a direct

02:09:05.360 --> 02:09:07.496
geographic link to Whitehorse, we would

02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:09.016
risk reducing the collection to

02:09:09.040 --> 02:09:12.040
something repetitive and in order.

02:09:12.880 --> 02:09:13.816
Your point of order.

02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:16.840
Um it's  it's contrary to governance

02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:20.856
rules because  councilor said direct

02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:22.695
link. This is only a very loose

02:09:22.719 --> 02:09:25.719
connection. The comments about um direct

02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:28.760
geographical link are out of order.

02:09:30.079 --> 02:09:33.079
I don't uphold your point

02:09:34.320 --> 02:09:35.016
council.

02:09:35.040 --> 02:09:36.536
Thank you. Thank you,Mayor. Um

02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:38.135
certainly a concern about how this would

02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:41.159
be interpreted. Um we would lose the

02:09:41.280 --> 02:09:42.776
ability to reflect major national

02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:44.376
movements, significant contemporary

02:09:44.400 --> 02:09:46.536
practices and works that enrich the

02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:48.296
cultural life of our community, even if

02:09:48.320 --> 02:09:51.095
they're not literally of Whitehorse.

02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:53.016
Importantly, the connection to place is

02:09:53.040 --> 02:09:55.016
already present in a meaningful way, but

02:09:55.040 --> 02:09:57.016
it's understood broadly. The connection

02:09:57.040 --> 02:09:58.055
might be through an artist's

02:09:58.079 --> 02:09:59.736
relationship with the city, through

02:09:59.760 --> 02:10:01.496
themes that resonate with our community,

02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:03.655
such as landscape, identity, or urban

02:10:03.679 --> 02:10:05.736
change, or through the way works are

02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:07.575
experienced and activated in our civic

02:10:07.599 --> 02:10:09.095
spaces.

02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:11.336
A flexible interpretation of place

02:10:11.360 --> 02:10:13.336
ensures the collection remains both

02:10:13.360 --> 02:10:15.256
locally meaningful and culturally

02:10:15.280 --> 02:10:17.175
significant at a national level.

02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:19.976
Secondly, regarding the EOI process,

02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:23.000
while transparency is important, an EOI

02:10:23.040 --> 02:10:24.776
process for acquisitions would not align

02:10:24.800 --> 02:10:27.095
with the realities of how the art market

02:10:27.119 --> 02:10:29.896
operates. Acquisition opportunities

02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:31.655
often arise quickly through auctions,

02:10:31.679 --> 02:10:33.575
private estates, or gallery offerings

02:10:33.599 --> 02:10:35.976
where timing is crucial. In many cases,

02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.655
decisions need to be made within days,

02:10:37.679 --> 02:10:40.376
sometimes hours. Standing EIO process

02:10:40.400 --> 02:10:42.936
would slow decision m making and

02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:45.016
unnecessary administrative burden in

02:10:45.040 --> 02:10:46.615
many cases result in the loss of

02:10:46.639 --> 02:10:49.256
significant works to other institutions

02:10:49.280 --> 02:10:51.816
that are able to act more nimly. It

02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:54.135
could also unintentionally reduce

02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.135
transparency rather than improve it

02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:57.736
particularly where confidential

02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:00.760
negotiations are required or where early

02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:03.336
disclosure could impact market prices.

02:11:03.360 --> 02:11:05.496
For these reasons, the current approach

02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:07.655
which is grounded in a clear policy

02:11:07.679 --> 02:11:09.416
framework supported by professional

02:11:09.440 --> 02:11:12.376
curatorial judgment and overseen through

02:11:12.400 --> 02:11:14.776
appropriate governance thresholds I

02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:16.215
believe strikes the right balance

02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:17.816
between accountability and

02:11:17.840 --> 02:11:19.655
effectiveness. Thank you.

02:11:19.679 --> 02:11:21.095
Thank you councelor Senate. Would anyone

02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:23.416
else like to speak to the amendment?

02:11:23.440 --> 02:11:24.055
Yes ma'am.

02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:24.936
Councelor cuts.

02:11:24.960 --> 02:11:27.496
I obviously don't support the amendment.

02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:30.055
Um just talking about a couple of items

02:11:30.079 --> 02:11:31.575
which have been excluded from this

02:11:31.599 --> 02:11:33.416
amendment.  the animated

02:11:33.440 --> 02:11:35.256
point of order,Mayor,

02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:37.336
councelor Griffith, point

02:11:37.360 --> 02:11:39.655
a point of order was held about things

02:11:39.679 --> 02:11:42.679
removed from the amendment when I spoke.

02:11:42.719 --> 02:11:44.776
So the same applies.

02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:46.936
I uphold the point of order. Council

02:11:46.960 --> 02:11:47.336
cuts.

02:11:47.360 --> 02:11:49.976
Thank you. Um

02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:52.936
so okay, let me reframe what I'm going

02:11:52.960 --> 02:11:55.960
to say now. Um, basically what this is

02:11:56.960 --> 02:11:59.960
asking us to just focus

02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:03.239
narrowly on on Whitehorse and I don't

02:12:03.520 --> 02:12:06.520
believe that what we've got we've got an

02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:09.560
extraordinary um collection and probably

02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:12.456
out of capital cities we've probably got

02:12:12.480 --> 02:12:15.480
one of the finest art collections you

02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:18.520
know in Victoria um and that is why one

02:12:19.119 --> 02:12:22.119
of the artists who was born in my ward

02:12:22.400 --> 02:12:25.400
man who had recent exhibition last year

02:12:25.440 --> 02:12:28.215
which had over 7,000 people actually

02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:30.856
attend. That's why she came to White

02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:32.536
Horse because we have got such a

02:12:32.560 --> 02:12:35.560
significant footprint in the art area.

02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:38.536
um the expression of interest excludes a

02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:41.560
lot of um pieces which would as

02:12:41.840 --> 02:12:43.896
councelor Stennet mentioned have have a

02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:46.135
reasonably quick turnaround and I think

02:12:46.159 --> 02:12:49.159
for example um the one there's the piece

02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:51.496
I'm not meant to talk about the other

02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:54.376
item because that was in the substantive

02:12:54.400 --> 02:12:57.400
um the piece that is available to us is

02:12:57.840 --> 02:12:59.256
something that we should be getting on

02:12:59.280 --> 02:13:01.575
to rather than delaying because it is

02:13:01.599 --> 02:13:04.215
offered to Whitehorse anyway um in

02:13:04.239 --> 02:13:07.239
terms of the um

02:13:07.280 --> 02:13:09.256
um sharing the collection which was

02:13:09.280 --> 02:13:12.280
mentioned by councelor Griffith um the

02:13:13.440 --> 02:13:15.896
amended  terms of reference actually

02:13:15.920 --> 02:13:18.920
talk about sharing the collection and um

02:13:19.119 --> 02:13:21.175
so I'm sorry that I don't understand the

02:13:21.199 --> 02:13:22.296
thinking with that because it actually

02:13:22.320 --> 02:13:25.175
says that every effort will be to

02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:27.095
actually share the collection with other

02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:28.856
art galleries around and perhaps

02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:30.456
businesses who may wish to feature

02:13:30.480 --> 02:13:33.480
certain artists. Um I I don't support

02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:35.655
this and I won't say anything further.

02:13:35.679 --> 02:13:36.695
Thank you.

02:13:36.719 --> 02:13:38.055
Thank you councelor Carts. Would anyone

02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:39.896
else like to speak to the amendment?

02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:41.095
I have a question.Mayor

02:13:41.119 --> 02:13:42.376
Council Simpson.

02:13:42.400 --> 02:13:45.400
Um regarding 1C, what is the risk um or

02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:50.520
impact to council? Um if we were to

02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:54.199
adopt this

02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:56.695
um Miss Miss Leic, could you please come

02:13:56.719 --> 02:13:59.719
to the lecton and answer that question?

02:14:02.239 --> 02:14:03.575
through you,Mayor. We haven't had an

02:14:03.599 --> 02:14:05.336
opportunity to really assess the risks.

02:14:05.360 --> 02:14:06.936
We would need to do a full assessment of

02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:08.376
what the federal government art bank

02:14:08.400 --> 02:14:11.175
programs conditions are.

02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:13.496
Thank you, Miss Leic. Um, councelor

02:14:13.520 --> 02:14:14.615
Simpson, did you wish to speak?

02:14:14.639 --> 02:14:16.055
, yes, and thank you,Mayor. Um,

02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:18.376
councilors, during the debate, um, I've

02:14:18.400 --> 02:14:19.976
listened to the arguments and I've

02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:21.896
double checked some points in the report

02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:24.920
and the policy, and when it comes to 1A,

02:14:25.280 --> 02:14:28.215
that's already mentioned. Um, and

02:14:28.239 --> 02:14:30.055
therefore I don't understand the point

02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:33.016
of this amendment. When it comes to 1B,

02:14:33.040 --> 02:14:34.856
I think we've heard some arguments as to

02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:37.880
why that's not necessarily

02:14:38.560 --> 02:14:41.560
as simple as I think some councilors

02:14:42.000 --> 02:14:45.000
might think it would be. And as we've

02:14:45.440 --> 02:14:46.776
just heard from Miss Leic, when it comes

02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:48.615
to point C, we don't really know what

02:14:48.639 --> 02:14:51.095
the  risks or implication for council

02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:54.119
is. So whilst I understand councelor

02:14:54.159 --> 02:14:56.856
Griffith's motivation for wanting us to

02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:59.175
share or put on display the art

02:14:59.199 --> 02:15:01.016
collection more broadly and that is a

02:15:01.040 --> 02:15:04.040
definitely a a um an idea that I

02:15:05.199 --> 02:15:07.976
support. Um I'm not comfortable with the

02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:09.575
way that this amendment has been put

02:15:09.599 --> 02:15:11.256
together and therefore councilors I

02:15:11.280 --> 02:15:13.496
don't think we should support it. When

02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:16.456
it comes to other  elements of the

02:15:16.480 --> 02:15:17.736
debate that's been mentioned, for

02:15:17.760 --> 02:15:19.736
example, by councelor Davenport and the

02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:22.055
terms of reference,

02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:24.135
I think

02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:25.896
we should be a council that is willing

02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:28.615
to always re-evaluate, always learn,

02:15:28.639 --> 02:15:30.856
always change the way we do things if a

02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:33.880
better approach comes to us. So, I don't

02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:35.655
see that as a very compelling argument

02:15:35.679 --> 02:15:38.679
as to support some of the deletions. Um,

02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:41.655
when it comes to the purchase of

02:15:41.679 --> 02:15:44.615
artwork, I'm not an art expert. I'm

02:15:44.639 --> 02:15:46.615
willing to defer to other people who

02:15:46.639 --> 02:15:48.936
have more of a passion and an interest

02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:51.736
and knowledge than I do. And I think the

02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:53.416
recommendation that officers brought to

02:15:53.440 --> 02:15:56.440
us in the original report would see

02:15:56.880 --> 02:15:58.776
artwork purchased out of the existing

02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:01.175
budget, which therefore means there's no

02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:03.175
net financial impact. So on the whole,

02:16:03.199 --> 02:16:04.376
councilors, I think we should support

02:16:04.400 --> 02:16:07.400
what the office has brought to us.

02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:09.016
Thank you. Councelor Simpson, would

02:16:09.040 --> 02:16:10.695
anyone else like to speak to the

02:16:10.719 --> 02:16:13.016
amendment?

02:16:13.040 --> 02:16:13.816
Council Martin,

02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:16.840
I'll talk briefly. Um, just fun fact, I

02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:18.536
come from an artistic family actually

02:16:18.560 --> 02:16:20.135
where my father was a professional

02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:22.776
musician and my mother was a traditional

02:16:22.800 --> 02:16:25.416
oil painter. So, and a member of the 20

02:16:25.440 --> 02:16:27.175
Melbourne painters. So, that's a fairly

02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:28.776
significant group. But unfortunately,

02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:30.695
this artistic ability did not come down

02:16:30.719 --> 02:16:33.415
to me.

02:16:33.439 --> 02:16:34.936
So I've listened to council Davenport

02:16:34.960 --> 02:16:37.176
and councelor Griffiths and I appreciate

02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:38.856
their contribution but I can't support

02:16:38.880 --> 02:16:41.880
this amendment. Um I've in terms of um

02:16:43.519 --> 02:16:45.655
yeah again 1A I just think that could

02:16:45.679 --> 02:16:48.216
limit our flexibility.

02:16:48.240 --> 02:16:51.240
Um I'm sort of not sure also  EIA

02:16:53.760 --> 02:16:56.760
expression of interest for art  is as

02:16:57.760 --> 02:17:00.136
relevant for art as it is say recurring

02:17:00.160 --> 02:17:01.896
petrol or fuel or other things. I think

02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:04.216
it's a bit more subjective. So, I do

02:17:04.240 --> 02:17:05.736
think we should engage more people to

02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:07.736
put art

02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:10.695
forward. Um, and again for part 1 C, I

02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:11.896
think I need some further information,

02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:13.415
too. I'd like to be brief better on that

02:17:13.439 --> 02:17:13.976
one.

02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:16.136
Thank you,Mayor.

02:17:16.160 --> 02:17:17.335
Thank you, Councelor Martin. Would

02:17:17.359 --> 02:17:18.615
anyone else like to speak to the

02:17:18.639 --> 02:17:19.896
amendment?

02:17:19.920 --> 02:17:21.335
I have a couple questions if I could,

02:17:21.359 --> 02:17:21.896
please,Mayor.

02:17:21.920 --> 02:17:22.776
Yes, councelor G.

02:17:22.800 --> 02:17:25.096
Um, the first is, is it common for us to

02:17:25.120 --> 02:17:27.096
have a seven-year period between policy

02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:29.575
review? Would that be accurate? S.

02:17:29.599 --> 02:17:31.655
, Mr. McMillan.

02:17:31.679 --> 02:17:34.455
 there's no statutory rule. Um what

02:17:34.479 --> 02:17:36.776
you try and do with policy and strategy

02:17:36.800 --> 02:17:38.375
generally is to align it with the most

02:17:38.399 --> 02:17:41.335
recent council plan. Um so that would be

02:17:41.359 --> 02:17:43.736
the time frame in which one would try

02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:45.415
and envisage. But  there's no

02:17:45.439 --> 02:17:47.495
statutory obligation.

02:17:47.519 --> 02:17:49.256
Thank you. My my second question. Thank

02:17:49.280 --> 02:17:52.280
you. Thank you. Um I I'd like to better

02:17:52.319 --> 02:17:55.016
understand  it is a question but I

02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:56.615
will get to it. I'd like to better

02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:59.016
understand the process by which we we

02:17:59.040 --> 02:18:01.896
procure art cuz councelor Martin just

02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:03.655
piqued my interest when he said the

02:18:03.679 --> 02:18:06.056
methods by which we procure art and it

02:18:06.080 --> 02:18:07.655
seems to be it goes through a very

02:18:07.679 --> 02:18:10.679
narrow process at this point in time. Do

02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:13.495
we have art shows that we purchase art

02:18:13.519 --> 02:18:15.896
from that we run ourselves that we

02:18:15.920 --> 02:18:18.056
purchase the winners or we nominate some

02:18:18.080 --> 02:18:20.375
items that we is there other other

02:18:20.399 --> 02:18:23.256
avenues that's my question. Um, Miss

02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:24.535
Leic, could you please answer the

02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:27.559
question at the lecton?

02:18:29.679 --> 02:18:31.976
The current process for acquiring art is

02:18:32.000 --> 02:18:34.776
through our curator doing assessments of

02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:37.495
art that becomes available through

02:18:37.519 --> 02:18:39.495
um

02:18:39.519 --> 02:18:42.519
identification at art shows at um

02:18:42.960 --> 02:18:45.960
industry events that are meet our policy

02:18:46.479 --> 02:18:49.479
conditions and um obviously the budget

02:18:50.000 --> 02:18:52.216
and where they are appropriate they

02:18:52.240 --> 02:18:54.615
would come to the committee for review

02:18:54.639 --> 02:18:57.176
and and consideration. And ultimately

02:18:57.200 --> 02:19:00.136
that officer who is a qualified curator

02:19:00.160 --> 02:19:03.160
is um delegated to make that decision

02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:06.615
ultimately and at the moment is is to

02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:08.295
bring it to council. At the moment we

02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:09.736
have a resolution that requires to come

02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:12.136
to the council for this financial year.

02:19:12.160 --> 02:19:14.375
Um there was another part of your

02:19:14.399 --> 02:19:16.455
question. I'm sorry.

02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:18.295
It was just whether we run art shows

02:19:18.319 --> 02:19:19.736
ourselves that could potentially have

02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:22.535
more local artists purchased items,

02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:24.535
their items purchased.

02:19:24.559 --> 02:19:27.016
There is a proposed um year 2 council

02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:28.695
action plan about having an inquisitive

02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.096
art show where we would be able to

02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:33.335
identify artworks and that would be one

02:19:33.359 --> 02:19:34.936
mechanism for it to come into the

02:19:34.960 --> 02:19:37.176
collection as well.

02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:38.936
Thank you. Miss Leic, were you going to

02:19:38.960 --> 02:19:40.856
speak to the item? Councelor Gun,

02:19:40.880 --> 02:19:42.216
would anyone else like to speak to the

02:19:42.240 --> 02:19:44.375
amendment? Councelor Barker.

02:19:44.399 --> 02:19:46.136
Thanks. I just like to bring all

02:19:46.160 --> 02:19:48.696
counselor's attention to the actual

02:19:48.720 --> 02:19:50.616
officer report that says they'll they

02:19:50.640 --> 02:19:53.640
will be um putting the guidelines for

02:19:53.840 --> 02:19:56.136
submitting acquisition our eyes up for

02:19:56.160 --> 02:19:59.160
evaluation. So this is a process

02:19:59.680 --> 02:20:01.976
that the organization's got in addition

02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:05.000
to the art prize. So, um I'm not sure

02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:07.816
why some people seem to be so violently

02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:09.736
against the sus the suggestion that it

02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:12.536
go through and EOI because it's been

02:20:12.560 --> 02:20:15.560
suggested in the report

02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:19.736
have anything further to say councelor

02:20:19.760 --> 02:20:20.536
Barker

02:20:20.560 --> 02:20:22.056
to probably talk all night there but I

02:20:22.080 --> 02:20:22.295
won't.

02:20:22.319 --> 02:20:23.656
No, no, no. That's okay. I'm just

02:20:23.680 --> 02:20:25.816
checking cuz you sort of didn't finish

02:20:25.840 --> 02:20:27.335
off so I wasn't sure. Anyone else wish

02:20:27.359 --> 02:20:29.976
to speak to the amendment

02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:31.816
given that there's no further speakers?

02:20:31.840 --> 02:20:33.496
I want and you have no right of reply

02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:34.856
councelor Griffith because it is a

02:20:34.880 --> 02:20:37.415
amendment. I now put the motion those in

02:20:37.439 --> 02:20:39.656
favor of the amendment.

02:20:39.680 --> 02:20:41.976
Councelor Griffith, councelor Davenport

02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:43.736
and councelor Barker. Those against the

02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:46.295
amendment, councelor Allen, councelor

02:20:46.319 --> 02:20:48.375
Wella, councelor Gun, councelor Simpson,

02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:50.375
councelor Langford, councelor Stennet,

02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:53.335
councelor Cuts and Councelor Martin. We

02:20:53.359 --> 02:20:56.359
now return to the original motion. Would

02:20:56.479 --> 02:20:57.816
anyone else like to speak to the

02:20:57.840 --> 02:20:59.496
original motion?

02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:01.656
Yes. Councelor Griffith.

02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:03.256
Oh, thanks May. I get the chance to

02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:06.280
speak about two and three. Um, so point

02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:09.479
three I feel my point one I can I can

02:21:10.319 --> 02:21:12.856
accept. Point four doesn't seem anyone

02:21:12.880 --> 02:21:15.880
has any problems with. , but point

02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:18.136
three my concern is we've been given a

02:21:18.160 --> 02:21:20.856
report that says we should update the

02:21:20.880 --> 02:21:23.335
art and culture advisory committee terms

02:21:23.359 --> 02:21:25.016
of reference. Now that group is very

02:21:25.040 --> 02:21:26.856
different to the visual arts advisory

02:21:26.880 --> 02:21:29.880
committee group. This group

02:21:30.160 --> 02:21:33.160
is meant to have a broad representation

02:21:33.439 --> 02:21:36.439
of artists. Artists not just the oil

02:21:36.880 --> 02:21:39.496
painters or the ceramicists,

02:21:39.520 --> 02:21:42.520
the dancers, the poets, the brassland

02:21:42.720 --> 02:21:45.335
players, the ballet dancers. Art in its

02:21:45.359 --> 02:21:47.896
most broadest form.

02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:49.896
And what's being put to us here is that

02:21:49.920 --> 02:21:52.616
that group, not the old group, that

02:21:52.640 --> 02:21:54.536
group

02:21:54.560 --> 02:21:57.256
should be providing advice on do we buy

02:21:57.280 --> 02:21:59.816
this painting or this piece of work or

02:21:59.840 --> 02:22:02.375
another one or like today we just get

02:22:02.399 --> 02:22:05.399
one option. Do we purchase it or not?

02:22:05.840 --> 02:22:08.840
Are these the best? Is this this is this

02:22:08.960 --> 02:22:11.960
is more more concerning to me than the

02:22:12.960 --> 02:22:15.016
old system where we had a group of

02:22:15.040 --> 02:22:17.256
visual artists. This is a group of

02:22:17.280 --> 02:22:19.176
diverse artists that should be providing

02:22:19.200 --> 02:22:21.976
broad range feedback on things like the

02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:24.616
art and civics collection policy, not

02:22:24.640 --> 02:22:26.136
individual

02:22:26.160 --> 02:22:28.136
pieces of art being purchased for the

02:22:28.160 --> 02:22:30.856
collection.

02:22:30.880 --> 02:22:33.880
Point three also has no justification in

02:22:34.399 --> 02:22:37.176
the report. Nothing. There is an

02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:39.016
attachment that says what the updated

02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:41.176
terms of reference are. Nothing

02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:43.096
justifying it whatsoever. Not one

02:22:43.120 --> 02:22:46.120
sentence meth. no context.

02:22:49.600 --> 02:22:51.496
Something for officers to reflect on how

02:22:51.520 --> 02:22:53.016
we got to a point where we have a

02:22:53.040 --> 02:22:56.040
recommendation with no justification.

02:22:56.080 --> 02:22:58.455
Point two, I listened to a speech last

02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:00.856
Monday. It was very inspiring. I

02:23:00.880 --> 02:23:03.496
wouldn't purchase this artwork myself.

02:23:03.520 --> 02:23:05.976
Um, but it does seem like a good thing

02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:08.216
to do, but my personal preference is

02:23:08.240 --> 02:23:10.216
that we should give other artists the

02:23:10.240 --> 02:23:12.136
opportunity to put their best piece work

02:23:12.160 --> 02:23:13.976
forward.

02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:16.295
I do not know what the creator undertook

02:23:16.319 --> 02:23:18.136
to come up with the one one

02:23:18.160 --> 02:23:19.896
recommendation. What were the other

02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:22.920
options?

02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:26.295
It's not a fair process,Mayor. So, I'm

02:23:26.319 --> 02:23:29.256
suggesting we vote in parts cuz I'm not

02:23:29.280 --> 02:23:31.896
supportive of part number two

02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:33.576
and particularly not supportive of part

02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:35.496
number three for the reasons I've

02:23:35.520 --> 02:23:37.256
shared. And I know,Mayor, that you

02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:39.496
value independent views and you'll take

02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:41.656
that request seriously to vote in parts.

02:23:41.680 --> 02:23:43.816
Thank you,Mayor.

02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:45.335
Thank you, Council Griffith. I will

02:23:45.359 --> 02:23:48.359
consider your um request. Would anyone

02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:51.399
else like to speak to the motion?

02:23:51.600 --> 02:23:52.295
Yes,Mayor.

02:23:52.319 --> 02:23:53.496
Councelor Simpson.

02:23:53.520 --> 02:23:54.696
Thank you,Mayor. I'd just like to

02:23:54.720 --> 02:23:56.536
comment on

02:23:56.560 --> 02:23:59.560
 the commentary regarding point two.

02:24:00.240 --> 02:24:02.696
Um council, it's my understanding that

02:24:02.720 --> 02:24:05.720
the council curator is responsible for

02:24:05.920 --> 02:24:07.976
acquisition decisions in line with their

02:24:08.000 --> 02:24:10.776
delegation, the procurement policy, the

02:24:10.800 --> 02:24:12.455
arts collection, and the budget. Now

02:24:12.479 --> 02:24:15.176
that council curator is a council staff

02:24:15.200 --> 02:24:16.856
member

02:24:16.880 --> 02:24:19.256
and they are obviously responsible to

02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:21.896
their direct line of report.

02:24:21.920 --> 02:24:23.656
The decision has to go through the

02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:25.335
procurement policy as I've said it has

02:24:25.359 --> 02:24:27.016
to go through the other council

02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:29.576
oversight processes. So whilst I

02:24:29.600 --> 02:24:30.216
understand

02:24:30.240 --> 02:24:33.240
point may misleading the chamber

02:24:34.000 --> 02:24:37.000
council suggesting it goes through sorry

02:24:40.560 --> 02:24:42.455
 I don't uphold your coun your point

02:24:42.479 --> 02:24:45.479
of order council back councelor 

02:24:46.000 --> 02:24:48.295
Simpson please continue

02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:50.936
it says quite clearly in the report the

02:24:50.960 --> 02:24:53.960
purchases go through in line with the

02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:57.000
procurement policy

02:24:57.359 --> 02:24:59.576
if councelor Bark disagrees with me

02:24:59.600 --> 02:25:00.936
saying that, he's welcome to take that

02:25:00.960 --> 02:25:03.960
up with Mr. McFillan.

02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:07.335
Consequently, councilors, when it comes

02:25:07.359 --> 02:25:10.056
to the purchase of this artwork, I'm not

02:25:10.080 --> 02:25:12.455
an art critic.

02:25:12.479 --> 02:25:15.479
Um, and I'm willing to defer to those

02:25:16.160 --> 02:25:19.160
with more knowledge, passion, , and

02:25:19.200 --> 02:25:22.200
expertise in these matters than I am.

02:25:22.240 --> 02:25:24.455
If councilors want to take issue with

02:25:24.479 --> 02:25:26.056
the qualifications of the council

02:25:26.080 --> 02:25:27.736
curator, well, that's a different matter

02:25:27.760 --> 02:25:29.256
and that's a different debate and that's

02:25:29.280 --> 02:25:30.616
something that again needs to be taken

02:25:30.640 --> 02:25:33.016
up with Mr. McMillan.

02:25:33.040 --> 02:25:34.856
But at the moment, we have to consider

02:25:34.880 --> 02:25:36.616
the motion and the report that is before

02:25:36.640 --> 02:25:39.576
us. And therefore,

02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:41.016
when it comes to the purchase of

02:25:41.040 --> 02:25:42.856
artwork,

02:25:42.880 --> 02:25:45.880
I do not see a reason yet that has been

02:25:46.080 --> 02:25:47.415
given why we should not support the

02:25:47.439 --> 02:25:49.896
officer recommendation.

02:25:49.920 --> 02:25:51.976
I've already stated with respect to

02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:53.656
point three that I've got no problem

02:25:53.680 --> 02:25:55.496
changing terms of reference. We all

02:25:55.520 --> 02:25:56.856
should have read them. If anyone's got

02:25:56.880 --> 02:25:58.295
any problem with the terms of reference,

02:25:58.319 --> 02:25:59.816
please speak out. I'm happy to listen to

02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:02.536
the debate. The one issue I actually

02:26:02.560 --> 02:26:03.896
have a problem with is point number four

02:26:03.920 --> 02:26:05.256
is I think that's actually a waste of

02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:07.816
money. But that's my personal view,

02:26:07.840 --> 02:26:10.840
right? And therefore um if but other

02:26:11.920 --> 02:26:14.920
than that I see no other reason to 

02:26:15.040 --> 02:26:17.335
not support this motion. Councilors,

02:26:17.359 --> 02:26:18.696
thank you. Councelor Simpson

02:26:18.720 --> 02:26:19.976
have a question.Mayor

02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:21.576
Councelor Griffith

02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:23.736
I think last time this going to point4

02:26:23.760 --> 02:26:26.760
was going to cost 15 grand and we had to

02:26:26.880 --> 02:26:29.256
looking to approve a budget but my

02:26:29.280 --> 02:26:31.816
understanding is this is covered by

02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:34.375
operational costs now that has come back

02:26:34.399 --> 02:26:36.295
to us. Could I get clarification on

02:26:36.319 --> 02:26:37.096
that?

02:26:37.120 --> 02:26:40.120
Miss Leic, could you please clarify?

02:26:43.200 --> 02:26:45.016
The conditions associated with that

02:26:45.040 --> 02:26:47.176
recommendation hasn't changed.

02:26:47.200 --> 02:26:49.176
 would cover that within operational

02:26:49.200 --> 02:26:51.016
costs.

02:26:51.040 --> 02:26:53.176
Thank you, Miss Leic. Would anyone else

02:26:53.200 --> 02:26:54.936
would you like would anyone else like to

02:26:54.960 --> 02:26:56.696
speak to the motion?

02:26:56.720 --> 02:26:57.656
Yes, madame may.

02:26:57.680 --> 02:26:58.536
Councelor Allen,

02:26:58.560 --> 02:27:00.375
just very very briefly, MadameMayor. I

02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:02.856
I think council should vote for the 

02:27:02.880 --> 02:27:05.576
for the four recommendations. And I'm

02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:08.056
finally, as I said very briefly, I'm so

02:27:08.080 --> 02:27:11.080
happy that after decades, we're changing

02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:14.696
the name from Whitehorse Art Space to

02:27:14.720 --> 02:27:16.776
Whitehorse Art Gallery for goodness

02:27:16.800 --> 02:27:19.176
sakes. I didn't like it 20 odd years ago

02:27:19.200 --> 02:27:21.335
and I still don't and I'm so glad the

02:27:21.359 --> 02:27:23.256
officers have recommended the change to

02:27:23.280 --> 02:27:26.056
Whitehorse Art Gallery and and say what

02:27:26.080 --> 02:27:28.696
it's going to be. As councelor Weller

02:27:28.720 --> 02:27:30.616
might have said before, it was going it

02:27:30.640 --> 02:27:32.295
was going to be an event space, but then

02:27:32.319 --> 02:27:33.896
obviously the events didn't happen. is

02:27:33.920 --> 02:27:35.656
what they thought it would. So I'm so

02:27:35.680 --> 02:27:37.176
glad it's going to be Whitehorse out

02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:37.576
gallery.

02:27:37.600 --> 02:27:38.536
The round.

02:27:38.560 --> 02:27:39.736
Thank you. The round happened. That's

02:27:39.760 --> 02:27:41.176
what it was is. Thank you. Thank you,

02:27:41.200 --> 02:27:41.816
Madam May.

02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:43.415
Thank you, councelor Allen. Would anyone

02:27:43.439 --> 02:27:44.936
else like to speak to the motion?

02:27:44.960 --> 02:27:46.136
I have a question. May

02:27:46.160 --> 02:27:47.176
councelor Davenport,

02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:49.496
just like to understand the procurement

02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:52.520
policy um what the wording um exempt

02:27:53.200 --> 02:27:55.176
from the procurement process being

02:27:55.200 --> 02:27:57.976
procurement of works from of art from a

02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:00.455
specific nominated artist means. Does

02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:03.256
that mean that selection of artwork and

02:28:03.280 --> 02:28:05.415
artists are exempt from the procurement

02:28:05.439 --> 02:28:07.016
process?

02:28:07.040 --> 02:28:09.176
, Miss Leic, can you please respond to

02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:12.200
this question? question.

02:28:13.840 --> 02:28:16.840
Council Baka,

02:28:29.359 --> 02:28:32.359
you got the page.

02:28:32.960 --> 02:28:34.616
We'll just pause for a minute whilst

02:28:34.640 --> 02:28:37.640
Miss Leic um finds the information.

02:28:38.240 --> 02:28:41.240
Page 12 of the procurement policy

02:28:58.880 --> 02:29:00.616
for clarification. You're referring to

02:29:00.640 --> 02:29:02.295
the reference under three professional

02:29:02.319 --> 02:29:05.176
and other services.

02:29:05.200 --> 02:29:07.335
Oh yeah.

02:29:07.359 --> 02:29:09.415
So it it relates to this example where

02:29:09.439 --> 02:29:11.256
there's a piece of artwork which is has

02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:12.856
been identified as appropriate for

02:29:12.880 --> 02:29:15.880
purchase that it is um because it

02:29:16.080 --> 02:29:18.375
relates it's unique in its nature it's

02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:20.776
um bespoke and can't be procured in any

02:29:20.800 --> 02:29:23.800
other way that the policy allows for

02:29:23.920 --> 02:29:26.616
that exemption.

02:29:26.640 --> 02:29:28.375
Thank you Miss Leic. Would anyone else

02:29:28.399 --> 02:29:29.656
like to speak to

02:29:29.680 --> 02:29:32.295
I have a question. Councelor Griffith,

02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:35.319
is there any upper threshold value on

02:29:35.439 --> 02:29:37.976
that exemption?

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:41.000
Miss Leic, is there an upper threshold

02:29:41.040 --> 02:29:44.040
on the on any acquisition? The financial

02:29:44.479 --> 02:29:46.696
thresholds are in accordance with the

02:29:46.720 --> 02:29:49.720
policy and the budget. So the policy the

02:29:49.760 --> 02:29:51.496
threshold the financial threshold would

02:29:51.520 --> 02:29:53.576
be consistent with the policy, the

02:29:53.600 --> 02:29:56.600
procurement policy which is outlined

02:29:56.640 --> 02:29:59.640
above. Um the threshold for how that

02:30:00.080 --> 02:30:01.576
would be applied in this context would

02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:04.600
be $35,000 which is the budget

02:30:05.359 --> 02:30:06.936
or the budget.

02:30:06.960 --> 02:30:08.696
Thank you Miss Leic.

02:30:08.720 --> 02:30:10.136
Are there any further speakers to the

02:30:10.160 --> 02:30:10.696
motion?

02:30:10.720 --> 02:30:11.335
Yes ma'am.

02:30:11.359 --> 02:30:12.136
Council Martin

02:30:12.160 --> 02:30:14.536
just in regards to point two I just I

02:30:14.560 --> 02:30:15.976
did note that many councils wanted

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:17.976
council to support local artists and

02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:20.536
anime mean is um for me great talented

02:30:20.560 --> 02:30:23.016
engaged artist where this is a great

02:30:23.040 --> 02:30:25.016
example of supporting this idea. Um I

02:30:25.040 --> 02:30:27.016
visited the recent exhibition and for me

02:30:27.040 --> 02:30:29.256
this art tech technique was unique and

02:30:29.280 --> 02:30:31.576
will be a valued asset for our city for

02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:34.600
hopefully generations to come. Um yeah

02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:37.656
and in terms of point two I concur with

02:30:37.680 --> 02:30:39.976
yeah can councelor Ellen I think just

02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:41.896
having the Whitehorse art gallery would

02:30:41.920 --> 02:30:44.136
be so much better for branding and and

02:30:44.160 --> 02:30:46.136
hopefully we can get more people um

02:30:46.160 --> 02:30:48.295
engaging with the gallery and attending.

02:30:48.319 --> 02:30:49.736
Thank youMayor.

02:30:49.760 --> 02:30:51.656
Thank you councelor Martin. Are there

02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:54.455
any further speakers to the motion?

02:30:54.479 --> 02:30:55.496
Yes,Mayor.

02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:57.016
Councelor Aum.

02:30:57.040 --> 02:30:59.496
Thank you,Mayor. , I'd like to speak

02:30:59.520 --> 02:31:02.520
to items two and three if I could. Um,

02:31:02.560 --> 02:31:04.936
mainly two. I I'll I'll keep my brief

02:31:04.960 --> 02:31:07.960
comments brief. Um, as with councelor

02:31:08.080 --> 02:31:09.335
Martin, I actually don't have an

02:31:09.359 --> 02:31:12.136
artistic bone in my body either. Um,

02:31:12.160 --> 02:31:14.216
somewhat of an artist on the soccer

02:31:14.240 --> 02:31:16.776
field was a description of me as as a

02:31:16.800 --> 02:31:19.415
younger lad, but , other than that, I

02:31:19.439 --> 02:31:22.439
am not a creator. Um my wife however is

02:31:23.680 --> 02:31:25.656
and she is a very exemplary artist.

02:31:25.680 --> 02:31:28.680
She's won a number of awards.  I don't

02:31:29.439 --> 02:31:32.439
understand the process by which a artist

02:31:33.200 --> 02:31:36.200
gets selected just because the curator

02:31:36.319 --> 02:31:38.295
knows that that art piece becomes

02:31:38.319 --> 02:31:41.319
available. There are the comment was

02:31:41.600 --> 02:31:44.375
made earlier from Missic that this is a

02:31:44.399 --> 02:31:46.056
particularly unique and bespoke. Well, I

02:31:46.080 --> 02:31:47.335
I feel that that would be the case of

02:31:47.359 --> 02:31:50.136
every individual piece of artwork and

02:31:50.160 --> 02:31:52.856
that this one has been selected at this

02:31:52.880 --> 02:31:55.880
particular time and um

02:31:56.640 --> 02:31:58.936
as a general comment within the budget

02:31:58.960 --> 02:32:01.096
which which was which Miss Leic had

02:32:01.120 --> 02:32:04.120
indicated earlier um suggests that it

02:32:05.120 --> 02:32:07.576
was um

02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:09.736
an opportunity too good to miss and

02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:11.576
that's because

02:32:11.600 --> 02:32:14.600
 Anamik Anamem is an exceptional

02:32:14.800 --> 02:32:17.800
artist. But why do we have to limit it

02:32:19.040 --> 02:32:22.040
just to known artists? There are many

02:32:22.399 --> 02:32:24.295
exceptional artists or potential

02:32:24.319 --> 02:32:27.096
exceptional artists. And I feel as

02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.120
though  making a purchase on a

02:32:30.640 --> 02:32:33.176
suggestion or an offering in this

02:32:33.200 --> 02:32:35.816
instance, I'm offering this piece to

02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:38.840
you. Um it sounds like we should have

02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:42.760
better processes.

02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:45.415
That's my take. Thank you,Mayor.

02:32:45.439 --> 02:32:46.776
Thank you, councelor Gum. Would anyone

02:32:46.800 --> 02:32:49.800
else like to speak to the motion?

02:32:50.640 --> 02:32:53.096
Given that um there were people speaking

02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:54.536
against the motion, you have the right

02:32:54.560 --> 02:32:55.896
of reply, councelor cuts.

02:32:55.920 --> 02:32:57.415
Thank you very much and thank you all

02:32:57.439 --> 02:32:59.496
for the debate and discussion this

02:32:59.520 --> 02:33:02.520
evening. Um I'd like to speak about a

02:33:03.760 --> 02:33:06.760
range of things. One is Anamea Mian. Um,

02:33:07.439 --> 02:33:09.736
I don't know how she could potentially

02:33:09.760 --> 02:33:12.455
be more appropriate to be an artist that

02:33:12.479 --> 02:33:15.479
we would support with an acquisition.

02:33:16.080 --> 02:33:18.216
She came to Whitehorse when she was 7

02:33:18.240 --> 02:33:21.240
years old from um the Netherlands and

02:33:22.160 --> 02:33:24.295
actually lived at 24 Heatherell Road

02:33:24.319 --> 02:33:27.319
which happened to be in my ward.  she

02:33:27.520 --> 02:33:30.216
was inspired with her work which was

02:33:30.240 --> 02:33:33.240
largely about insects and that you find

02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:36.455
in your backyard in the area of white

02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:39.479
horse. So her work is intricate in its

02:33:41.439 --> 02:33:44.439
nature and it's based it's textile so 3D

02:33:45.760 --> 02:33:48.760
she is she is not and and councelor Garn

02:33:48.800 --> 02:33:51.096
said um there are many potential

02:33:51.120 --> 02:33:53.016
exceptional artists in Whitehorse well

02:33:53.040 --> 02:33:54.216
that may be true but she is

02:33:54.240 --> 02:33:57.240
internationally regarded and not only

02:33:57.520 --> 02:34:00.520
that she's um she's been in Whitehorse

02:34:00.640 --> 02:34:02.616
for many years and her work even though

02:34:02.640 --> 02:34:05.640
she now lives in sale her work is always

02:34:06.000 --> 02:34:08.936
based on the insects that she's been

02:34:08.960 --> 02:34:10.536
inspired with when she was a young girl.

02:34:10.560 --> 02:34:12.696
And in fact, as a little story, her

02:34:12.720 --> 02:34:14.295
father was not supportive of her

02:34:14.319 --> 02:34:16.056
drawings and she used to hide them in a

02:34:16.080 --> 02:34:17.496
maths book. And that is true. And I

02:34:17.520 --> 02:34:19.415
found that out from the artist when I

02:34:19.439 --> 02:34:21.096
actually opened this exhibition last

02:34:21.120 --> 02:34:23.816
year. Her exhibition last year attracted

02:34:23.840 --> 02:34:26.840
over 7,000 people, which is never been

02:34:26.960 --> 02:34:28.776
the likes of which has been seen across

02:34:28.800 --> 02:34:31.800
Whitehorse. So supporting that um the

02:34:32.319 --> 02:34:34.136
art and culture advisory terms of

02:34:34.160 --> 02:34:37.160
committee actually make the the  terms

02:34:37.520 --> 02:34:40.520
more um more broad and in fact um show

02:34:42.560 --> 02:34:45.176
that us that it it talks about um

02:34:45.200 --> 02:34:48.200
acquisitions and and giving um our art

02:34:48.960 --> 02:34:50.696
collections and sharing them in there.

02:34:50.720 --> 02:34:52.536
So that's actually part of it as well.

02:34:52.560 --> 02:34:54.936
And the White House art space is is um

02:34:54.960 --> 02:34:56.616
changing to art gallery is something I

02:34:56.640 --> 02:34:58.616
support. Thank youMayor. Thank you,

02:34:58.640 --> 02:35:01.176
councelor Katz. I've been thinking about

02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:03.096
voting in parts and we're not going to

02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:04.936
do that because we had a cons we

02:35:04.960 --> 02:35:06.936
considered an amendment previously and

02:35:06.960 --> 02:35:09.176
it didn't include all of these points.

02:35:09.200 --> 02:35:11.096
So I'll now put the motion as a whole.

02:35:11.120 --> 02:35:13.256
Those in favor, councelor Allen,

02:35:13.280 --> 02:35:15.576
councelor Weller, councelor Simpson,

02:35:15.600 --> 02:35:17.816
councelor Lenford, councelor Stennet,

02:35:17.840 --> 02:35:20.216
councelor Cuts, and councelor Martin.

02:35:20.240 --> 02:35:22.536
Those against councelor Griffith,

02:35:22.560 --> 02:35:25.176
councelor Gun, councelor Davenport, and

02:35:25.200 --> 02:35:28.200
councelor Barker. The motion is carried.

02:35:31.840 --> 02:35:34.840
We now move to item 10.6, glass

02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:37.656
recycling service and advocacy. Could I

02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:39.976
have a counselor move the item?

02:35:40.000 --> 02:35:41.096
Yes, I moved.Mayor

02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:43.335
Councelor Davenport. And is there a

02:35:43.359 --> 02:35:43.896
seconder?

02:35:43.920 --> 02:35:44.455
Yes, ma'am.

02:35:44.479 --> 02:35:46.375
Councelor Barker. Councelor Davenport. I

02:35:46.399 --> 02:35:49.399
think umMayor that  the glass bin

02:35:49.600 --> 02:35:51.896
recycling service has certainly received

02:35:51.920 --> 02:35:54.920
quite a bit of public um scrutiny over

02:35:55.280 --> 02:35:57.656
recent weeks um in the media, social

02:35:57.680 --> 02:35:59.976
media as well as mainstream media as

02:36:00.000 --> 02:36:03.000
well. And  the the general feedback is

02:36:03.920 --> 02:36:06.136
why do we need to go down the path of

02:36:06.160 --> 02:36:09.160
having a separate glass bin recyclers um

02:36:09.600 --> 02:36:12.455
recycling service in its current form

02:36:12.479 --> 02:36:15.479
adds additional bins to the curbside

02:36:15.760 --> 02:36:17.256
collection.

02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:19.656
It adds additional trucks on the road to

02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:22.136
go past and pick up the the the glass

02:36:22.160 --> 02:36:25.160
and and take it. Our supplier can

02:36:26.080 --> 02:36:29.080
already remove glass from the um recycle

02:36:29.120 --> 02:36:32.120
bin waist stream as well.

02:36:32.720 --> 02:36:35.415
When the government's policy on glass

02:36:35.439 --> 02:36:37.576
bin recycling service originally came

02:36:37.600 --> 02:36:40.600
out, container deposit deposit scheme

02:36:40.880 --> 02:36:43.880
did not exist. Now it does. And there

02:36:44.720 --> 02:36:46.056
are a number of changes that have been

02:36:46.080 --> 02:36:48.295
made over time in terms of glass

02:36:48.319 --> 02:36:50.696
recycling. I think that the state

02:36:50.720 --> 02:36:53.256
government government needs to look at

02:36:53.280 --> 02:36:55.096
to determine whether or not to proceed

02:36:55.120 --> 02:36:58.120
with the um curbside glass bin recycling

02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:01.176
service in its current form. The council

02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:04.200
we haven't received a number of um 

02:37:05.280 --> 02:37:08.280
guidelines and and and um and standards

02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:12.760
um for us to design the service around.

02:37:13.040 --> 02:37:14.856
And so I think it's prudent of us to

02:37:14.880 --> 02:37:17.576
hold off on doing any more work on the

02:37:17.600 --> 02:37:20.600
glass bin recycling

02:37:21.120 --> 02:37:23.096
um service until those matters are

02:37:23.120 --> 02:37:26.120
resolved. My view next year we don't

02:37:26.560 --> 02:37:29.560
have to have the the um bins rolled out

02:37:30.560 --> 02:37:32.856
um next year. I think we continue with

02:37:32.880 --> 02:37:35.880
the current um solution of having Foggo

02:37:36.800 --> 02:37:39.800
as um as part of the mix as well as the

02:37:39.840 --> 02:37:42.056
bins that we've made decisions on last

02:37:42.080 --> 02:37:44.616
year. but also defer the implementation

02:37:44.640 --> 02:37:46.936
of curbside glass bins. It's not saying

02:37:46.960 --> 02:37:49.736
that we'll never do that. And of course,

02:37:49.760 --> 02:37:51.816
when they when service standards and

02:37:51.840 --> 02:37:53.496
other elements come to us, of course,

02:37:53.520 --> 02:37:56.520
we'll we'll look at that um

02:37:57.520 --> 02:38:00.520
with with in my view um a view to comply

02:38:02.640 --> 02:38:04.616
when it gets to that point in time. At

02:38:04.640 --> 02:38:07.415
this point in time, we need to let 

02:38:07.439 --> 02:38:10.439
look at other ways to recycle glass. the

02:38:10.479 --> 02:38:12.616
current contract we have in place an

02:38:12.640 --> 02:38:14.776
expansion of the container deposit

02:38:14.800 --> 02:38:16.375
scheme

02:38:16.399 --> 02:38:19.399
and also um and also  looking at

02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:23.736
looking at our current supplier base as

02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:26.136
well councilors I know that this is

02:38:26.160 --> 02:38:29.160
quite a vexed issue it's a quite a vexed

02:38:29.439 --> 02:38:32.439
issue because um 6 talks about risk of

02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:36.200
non-compliance and and um and  being

02:38:37.280 --> 02:38:40.216
outside of council  legisl

02:38:40.240 --> 02:38:42.295
requirements. If we leave the runup of

02:38:42.319 --> 02:38:44.455
procuring of bins too late, this might

02:38:44.479 --> 02:38:47.479
might put us into that um risk area. I'm

02:38:48.399 --> 02:38:50.616
always nervous of that. I'm always

02:38:50.640 --> 02:38:52.216
nervous of that because we're we're

02:38:52.240 --> 02:38:55.176
meant to be upholding and defending our

02:38:55.200 --> 02:38:57.496
like local law and regulation. We've got

02:38:57.520 --> 02:38:59.816
an enforcement activity for state

02:38:59.840 --> 02:39:01.736
legislation as well as ours. But I think

02:39:01.760 --> 02:39:04.760
that I think that us holding off until

02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.976
um until we get further information is

02:39:08.000 --> 02:39:09.656
quite important. when you look at the

02:39:09.680 --> 02:39:12.375
risk of and tradeoff of the risk of

02:39:12.399 --> 02:39:15.399
non-compliance versus um hopefully a

02:39:16.240 --> 02:39:19.240
change in state government policy.

02:39:19.520 --> 02:39:21.496
I think it's it's worth taking at this

02:39:21.520 --> 02:39:24.216
point in time. Of course, we might need

02:39:24.240 --> 02:39:26.616
to turn turn on a dime in the future and

02:39:26.640 --> 02:39:28.856
make a fresh decision, but as we've

02:39:28.880 --> 02:39:30.696
heard tonight, we make fresh decision

02:39:30.720 --> 02:39:32.536
when new information comes to hand.

02:39:32.560 --> 02:39:35.096
Councilors, I do urge your support for

02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:38.120
the recommendation tonight. Um

02:39:38.880 --> 02:39:41.176
look at look at seeking an expansion of

02:39:41.200 --> 02:39:43.415
the CA container deposit scheme which is

02:39:43.439 --> 02:39:45.256
already in place in other states and

02:39:45.280 --> 02:39:48.136
territories. um deferring of the 

02:39:48.160 --> 02:39:51.160
curbside um glass bin system um in next

02:39:52.240 --> 02:39:54.295
year's budget and look at implementing

02:39:54.319 --> 02:39:57.319
it in future years um when when we get

02:39:58.479 --> 02:40:00.295
further information at that particular

02:40:00.319 --> 02:40:02.455
point in time and continue our advocacy

02:40:02.479 --> 02:40:05.256
as well which which we have seen has had

02:40:05.280 --> 02:40:08.280
quite a bit of traction in recent times.

02:40:08.399 --> 02:40:10.776
Councilors I urge your support for the

02:40:10.800 --> 02:40:12.776
motion. Thank you.

02:40:12.800 --> 02:40:14.536
Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

02:40:14.560 --> 02:40:15.176
Barker.

02:40:15.200 --> 02:40:16.216
ThanksMayor. I think councelor

02:40:16.240 --> 02:40:17.896
Davenport's really effectively

02:40:17.920 --> 02:40:19.656
articulated that trade-off that we're

02:40:19.680 --> 02:40:22.680
seeking here and that is that obviously,

02:40:22.880 --> 02:40:24.616
you know, we're potentially exposing

02:40:24.640 --> 02:40:27.640
oursel to risk um by not pursuing the

02:40:28.000 --> 02:40:31.000
purple bin. Um but we have listened

02:40:32.479 --> 02:40:33.976
really carefully to our community and

02:40:34.000 --> 02:40:36.936
it's very clear that this is

02:40:36.960 --> 02:40:38.536
problematic.

02:40:38.560 --> 02:40:41.176
the amount of glass given the you know a

02:40:41.200 --> 02:40:43.096
stubby and whatnot can go into the CDS

02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:45.096
now is actually pretty modest and it's

02:40:45.120 --> 02:40:46.455
something that I've been measuring in my

02:40:46.479 --> 02:40:48.536
family a family of four pretty

02:40:48.560 --> 02:40:51.496
significant consumers of of products and

02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:53.256
the amount of glass generated in our

02:40:53.280 --> 02:40:56.216
house is is is actually minuscule sort

02:40:56.240 --> 02:40:58.216
of a jar of what was garlic was in it

02:40:58.240 --> 02:40:59.896
and things like that I've been taking

02:40:59.920 --> 02:41:02.776
note of it quite carefully so

02:41:02.800 --> 02:41:05.016
unfortunately the state government has

02:41:05.040 --> 02:41:07.256
um an abundance of form for the sort of

02:41:07.280 --> 02:41:08.616
performative ative sort of, oh, we're

02:41:08.640 --> 02:41:10.856
doing it for the climate or whatnot. But

02:41:10.880 --> 02:41:13.176
that never really explored the extra

02:41:13.200 --> 02:41:16.136
trucks, the thousands of tons of plastic

02:41:16.160 --> 02:41:18.295
that will go into these bins, the bins

02:41:18.319 --> 02:41:20.295
that will will rarely be emptied, the

02:41:20.319 --> 02:41:21.656
bins that people are saying they'll just

02:41:21.680 --> 02:41:24.136
store their kids sporting equipment in,

02:41:24.160 --> 02:41:27.096
um, that they'll store, you know, ice in

02:41:27.120 --> 02:41:30.120
for 21st. It's just some of the

02:41:30.160 --> 02:41:32.696
community commentary about these bin has

02:41:32.720 --> 02:41:35.335
been absolutely hilarious and I really

02:41:35.359 --> 02:41:37.176
wish the minister would have a look at

02:41:37.200 --> 02:41:39.256
it because the other thing is is

02:41:39.280 --> 02:41:41.176
particularly in in wards like the Elgaw

02:41:41.200 --> 02:41:43.176
Ward um where there's a significant

02:41:43.200 --> 02:41:46.200
amount of sort of where natural cha

02:41:46.319 --> 02:41:47.976
natural change area there's a lot of

02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:49.976
units and whatnot there people don't

02:41:50.000 --> 02:41:51.976
have the space they're going to be left

02:41:52.000 --> 02:41:53.576
on the street or they'll be parked out

02:41:53.600 --> 02:41:55.576
here at the civic center or they'll be

02:41:55.600 --> 02:41:57.656
parked out the the front of the local

02:41:57.680 --> 02:41:59.576
labor MP's office because people just

02:41:59.600 --> 02:42:02.536
don't have the space for them. And and

02:42:02.560 --> 02:42:04.375
I've I've spoken to a lot of people and

02:42:04.399 --> 02:42:07.399
again I walk the streets. I aimlessly

02:42:07.439 --> 02:42:09.016
wander the streets with my dog as you

02:42:09.040 --> 02:42:10.856
know me and I talk to a lot of people

02:42:10.880 --> 02:42:12.856
and ask them what they think about it

02:42:12.880 --> 02:42:15.496
and it is an absolutely universal

02:42:15.520 --> 02:42:17.816
rejection of this idea because it's

02:42:17.840 --> 02:42:20.616
expensive. It's ineffectual. It's not

02:42:20.640 --> 02:42:22.696
going to save the planet. and I I'll

02:42:22.720 --> 02:42:25.096
I'll I'll I'll save my criticisms for

02:42:25.120 --> 02:42:26.856
the container deposit scheme another

02:42:26.880 --> 02:42:28.936
time.Mayor, thank you.

02:42:28.960 --> 02:42:30.455
Thank you, councelor Barker. Would

02:42:30.479 --> 02:42:31.656
anyone else like to speak to this

02:42:31.680 --> 02:42:32.856
motion?

02:42:32.880 --> 02:42:33.656
Yes, ma'am.

02:42:33.680 --> 02:42:34.616
Councelor Simpson.

02:42:34.640 --> 02:42:36.696
Thank you,Mayor. I don't disagree,

02:42:36.720 --> 02:42:37.976
councilors, with the points have been

02:42:38.000 --> 02:42:39.736
made about the fact that the glass bin

02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:41.896
scheme is ineffective.

02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:44.920
Um and on that basis I don't support

02:42:45.520 --> 02:42:48.520
sorry I I don't disagree with supporting

02:42:48.640 --> 02:42:51.640
 us deferring but there is a risk and

02:42:52.560 --> 02:42:54.696
that is because whether we like it or

02:42:54.720 --> 02:42:57.720
not the glass bin is legislated

02:42:58.240 --> 02:43:00.295
and

02:43:00.319 --> 02:43:03.319
if we are choosing to be non-compliant

02:43:05.200 --> 02:43:08.200
then we risk as noted in the report

02:43:10.000 --> 02:43:11.576
potential withholding of grants.

02:43:11.600 --> 02:43:13.976
fundings funding or other forms of

02:43:14.000 --> 02:43:17.000
support and that's a very valid risk.

02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:21.399
Now personally I think we need to

02:43:22.880 --> 02:43:25.880
represent our community and we need to

02:43:26.319 --> 02:43:29.319
argue the case quite strongly that the

02:43:29.439 --> 02:43:31.415
glass bin no longer makes sense in the

02:43:31.439 --> 02:43:32.536
current environment. As councelor

02:43:32.560 --> 02:43:34.056
Damaport already mentioned, it was

02:43:34.080 --> 02:43:35.976
legislated before the CDS came into

02:43:36.000 --> 02:43:38.136
being. And we have seen such a fantastic

02:43:38.160 --> 02:43:41.160
uptake of the CDS. Um councilors, as you

02:43:41.680 --> 02:43:44.536
may be aware, we're putting wire bins or

02:43:44.560 --> 02:43:46.136
wire containers on the side of our

02:43:46.160 --> 02:43:48.216
rubbish bins for CDS containers, and

02:43:48.240 --> 02:43:49.496
we're not having to worry about paying

02:43:49.520 --> 02:43:52.216
to empty those because there are people

02:43:52.240 --> 02:43:54.455
in the community that will do it for us,

02:43:54.479 --> 02:43:56.136
take it and get it recycled, and they

02:43:56.160 --> 02:43:58.216
get to obviously keep the money. And

02:43:58.240 --> 02:44:01.096
that's fine. It obviously also stops

02:44:01.120 --> 02:44:02.536
people going through the bins hopefully

02:44:02.560 --> 02:44:05.560
which is another positive outcome.

02:44:05.920 --> 02:44:07.816
The CDS uptake has been great and this

02:44:07.840 --> 02:44:09.736
government needs to expand it to clean

02:44:09.760 --> 02:44:11.656
include wine and spirit bottles and

02:44:11.680 --> 02:44:13.096
maybe potentially in the future even

02:44:13.120 --> 02:44:15.816
glass jars and therefore the volume the

02:44:15.840 --> 02:44:17.816
amount of glass in co-mingled recycling

02:44:17.840 --> 02:44:20.840
will practically hit the floor.

02:44:21.120 --> 02:44:22.776
But we do need to go into this with our

02:44:22.800 --> 02:44:24.375
eyes wide open about the risks

02:44:24.399 --> 02:44:26.136
councilors because it has been

02:44:26.160 --> 02:44:29.160
legislated.

02:44:33.359 --> 02:44:35.335
Thank you councelor Simpson. Would

02:44:35.359 --> 02:44:37.016
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

02:44:37.040 --> 02:44:37.736
Councelor Allen.

02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:39.096
Thank you madameMayor. just just

02:44:39.120 --> 02:44:41.576
briefly and I think mo most and I

02:44:41.600 --> 02:44:44.375
support the recommendations put forward

02:44:44.399 --> 02:44:47.399
by council Devport in in the whole six

02:44:47.680 --> 02:44:50.680
  paragraphs and the two of them

02:44:50.960 --> 02:44:53.176
that really stand out to me was you know

02:44:53.200 --> 02:44:55.096
the paragraph two where we say supports

02:44:55.120 --> 02:44:57.176
the expansion of the container deposit

02:44:57.200 --> 02:44:59.016
scheme to include wine and spirit

02:44:59.040 --> 02:45:00.856
bottles like all like most of the other

02:45:00.880 --> 02:45:03.176
states and I think  that that's that's

02:45:03.200 --> 02:45:05.415
that's a great thing to do and I hope

02:45:05.439 --> 02:45:07.096
hopefully that'll that'll be adopted

02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:08.455
somewhere down the

02:45:08.479 --> 02:45:11.479
sooner rather than later. Um and then of

02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:14.375
course this  three which is caused by

02:45:14.399 --> 02:45:15.896
the state government bid alternatives

02:45:15.920 --> 02:45:18.920
but the the main one is what what should

02:45:20.160 --> 02:45:21.656
be concerned I suppose right across the

02:45:21.680 --> 02:45:23.896
the the councils was that the let's

02:45:23.920 --> 02:45:26.920
defer the implementation of the curbside

02:45:26.960 --> 02:45:28.856
glass bin recycling service due to the

02:45:28.880 --> 02:45:30.856
state government business case and

02:45:30.880 --> 02:45:32.856
service standards not being released.

02:45:32.880 --> 02:45:35.255
Why haven't they released them? What

02:45:35.279 --> 02:45:37.415
what what is the purpose of not doing

02:45:37.439 --> 02:45:40.375
that when they're asking  right across

02:45:40.399 --> 02:45:43.399
the state councils  at  rural and 

02:45:44.319 --> 02:45:47.096
city to introduce the the the  the

02:45:47.120 --> 02:45:50.120
purple bin um purple lid bin um for for

02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.920
this glass glass recycling.  if you

02:45:55.520 --> 02:45:57.096
read the legislation which I've touched

02:45:57.120 --> 02:45:59.016
on that a bit you can understand why the

02:45:59.040 --> 02:46:00.696
separation and all that sort of stuff

02:46:00.720 --> 02:46:02.616
the separation between the paper and the

02:46:02.640 --> 02:46:05.096
and the um and the and the other and and

02:46:05.120 --> 02:46:06.616
the glass itself because you know

02:46:06.640 --> 02:46:07.896
contaminants and all that but they can

02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:10.295
do that now already so it as councelor

02:46:10.319 --> 02:46:11.656
Barker Riley points out it's all

02:46:11.680 --> 02:46:13.496
performative you know oh look at us

02:46:13.520 --> 02:46:15.335
aren't we so good but and you know we're

02:46:15.359 --> 02:46:17.016
doing this we're doing that and  and

02:46:17.040 --> 02:46:18.375
then again they don't release a business

02:46:18.399 --> 02:46:19.976
case they're pretty good at not

02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:21.576
releasing business cases this government

02:46:21.600 --> 02:46:23.816
that's for sure I in other matters we

02:46:23.840 --> 02:46:25.816
know about that  especially for the

02:46:25.840 --> 02:46:27.176
suburban raillet but I won't get into

02:46:27.200 --> 02:46:30.200
that now but the um but the main thing

02:46:30.880 --> 02:46:33.096
is that I think that you know four bins

02:46:33.120 --> 02:46:34.295
it's just an overkill it's just

02:46:34.319 --> 02:46:36.136
ridiculous you know and you talk about

02:46:36.160 --> 02:46:38.295
Elgwood what about sparks board we got

02:46:38.319 --> 02:46:41.319
the CBD of Box Hill you know and those

02:46:41.439 --> 02:46:43.576
glorious towers they're going to all get

02:46:43.600 --> 02:46:45.496
another purple bin purple lid bin each

02:46:45.520 --> 02:46:47.415
and all that sort of stuff it's imagine

02:46:47.439 --> 02:46:49.576
that you know especially well I suppose

02:46:49.600 --> 02:46:51.576
the 1500 that are unoccupied what's

02:46:51.600 --> 02:46:53.656
going to happen to them anyway

02:46:53.680 --> 02:46:55.896
Um, but you know, it's it's it's I mean,

02:46:55.920 --> 02:46:57.496
that's how ridiculous it is. It it's

02:46:57.520 --> 02:46:59.576
just it's this performative  absolute

02:46:59.600 --> 02:47:02.216
nonsense. And  I I I think that, you

02:47:02.240 --> 02:47:05.240
know,  the the adults have sort of I

02:47:05.359 --> 02:47:07.176
think have escaped out of the out of the

02:47:07.200 --> 02:47:09.976
room in in the at Springstream. I think

02:47:10.000 --> 02:47:11.656
um I can see the reason, you know, you

02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:13.415
can possibly see the reason why it may

02:47:13.439 --> 02:47:15.176
be introduced. You know, all isn't this

02:47:15.200 --> 02:47:16.696
great to do this sort of stuff and

02:47:16.720 --> 02:47:18.455
recycle recycle and all that sort of

02:47:18.479 --> 02:47:20.856
stuff. That sounds good. But really 

02:47:20.880 --> 02:47:22.616
the implementation has not been for

02:47:22.640 --> 02:47:25.640
thought through thought through and  I

02:47:25.760 --> 02:47:27.335
think we're on the right path. There is

02:47:27.359 --> 02:47:29.816
there are the risks as councelor has

02:47:29.840 --> 02:47:32.136
been has been  rightly said but I

02:47:32.160 --> 02:47:33.976
think that we're bigger than that and I

02:47:34.000 --> 02:47:35.816
think that the the force of a lot of

02:47:35.840 --> 02:47:37.496
councils will overcome that. Thank you

02:47:37.520 --> 02:47:39.415
madame.

02:47:39.439 --> 02:47:40.056
Thank you.

02:47:40.080 --> 02:47:41.576
Thank you councelor Alan. Would anyone

02:47:41.600 --> 02:47:44.216
else like to speak to the motion? I'm

02:47:44.240 --> 02:47:45.736
looking for the light. Thank you

02:47:45.760 --> 02:47:46.856
councelor Martin.

02:47:46.880 --> 02:47:49.656
I'll try and be brief as well. Um so

02:47:49.680 --> 02:47:51.496
thanks councils for your thing. I I just

02:47:51.520 --> 02:47:52.936
wanted to make a couple of points. It's

02:47:52.960 --> 02:47:54.536
pretty unheard of to have so many

02:47:54.560 --> 02:47:57.560
councils to communicate um so we'll call

02:47:57.600 --> 02:47:59.255
it dismay at such a change. So I don't

02:47:59.279 --> 02:48:01.255
know what it's approaching. It's 27.

02:48:01.279 --> 02:48:03.255
There we go. Thank you councelor cuts.

02:48:03.279 --> 02:48:05.816
But we're also making this call tonight

02:48:05.840 --> 02:48:07.335
 so we can actually provide some

02:48:07.359 --> 02:48:09.096
clarity even for our budget process

02:48:09.120 --> 02:48:10.536
moving forward and talking to our

02:48:10.560 --> 02:48:13.560
community. So for me um technology and

02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:15.335
process have evolved and I think they

02:48:15.359 --> 02:48:17.016
will continue to evolve. So my concern

02:48:17.040 --> 02:48:19.736
is once we implement this policy I as

02:48:19.760 --> 02:48:21.656
per some of the glasses I think it'll be

02:48:21.680 --> 02:48:24.680
expired. Um so and I'm considering space

02:48:24.960 --> 02:48:26.696
at our resident houses too. We have sort

02:48:26.720 --> 02:48:28.776
of you know the four four beans. I have

02:48:28.800 --> 02:48:31.800
two green bins. I'll have five. Um also

02:48:32.240 --> 02:48:34.375
got we talked about the election coming

02:48:34.399 --> 02:48:37.335
up the state election in November. So um

02:48:37.359 --> 02:48:40.359
who knows what happens there. Um so yeah

02:48:41.520 --> 02:48:44.216
so um look the additional cost to rate

02:48:44.240 --> 02:48:46.136
for me also just another consideration

02:48:46.160 --> 02:48:48.056
is just the additional cost to rate pays

02:48:48.080 --> 02:48:50.295
in a high inflationary environment. So

02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:51.656
looking forward as a community I think

02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:53.415
we need to be smart and understand where

02:48:53.439 --> 02:48:55.096
best to divert funds and I suggest

02:48:55.120 --> 02:48:57.576
having another truck pass every resident

02:48:57.600 --> 02:48:59.576
residents in Whitehorse say picking up

02:48:59.600 --> 02:49:02.536
a glass bin that's one/tenth full is not

02:49:02.560 --> 02:49:05.560
smart policy. So I I sort of I suggest

02:49:06.080 --> 02:49:08.295
we have less bins and better investment

02:49:08.319 --> 02:49:10.056
in our technologies that process our

02:49:10.080 --> 02:49:12.136
waste and recycles and then you know for

02:49:12.160 --> 02:49:14.136
a true circular economy. Thank you

02:49:14.160 --> 02:49:15.016
mayor.

02:49:15.040 --> 02:49:16.536
Thank you councel Martin. Would anyone

02:49:16.560 --> 02:49:17.896
else like to speak to the motion?

02:49:17.920 --> 02:49:18.616
Yes may

02:49:18.640 --> 02:49:19.496
councelor cuts.

02:49:19.520 --> 02:49:21.736
Thank you. Um just going on from

02:49:21.760 --> 02:49:24.455
councelor Martin. Um yes we're one of I

02:49:24.479 --> 02:49:26.936
believe it's 35 councils. So it's almost

02:49:26.960 --> 02:49:28.856
50% of the number of councils across

02:49:28.880 --> 02:49:31.880
Victoria who um are against rolling this

02:49:33.279 --> 02:49:35.976
out and the the discussion has been led

02:49:36.000 --> 02:49:39.000
by Marunda Council um at the early last

02:49:39.040 --> 02:49:41.176
year. So we've been talking about this

02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:43.335
for quite some time and looking to you

02:49:43.359 --> 02:49:45.656
know halt or pause or possibly even

02:49:45.680 --> 02:49:47.656
change the legislation with regards to

02:49:47.680 --> 02:49:50.536
this. But I agreed also trucks driving

02:49:50.560 --> 02:49:52.696
around our municipality

02:49:52.720 --> 02:49:54.696
um

02:49:54.720 --> 02:49:57.255
with emissions um when they're picking

02:49:57.279 --> 02:50:00.279
up very few um glass bins is is not

02:50:00.319 --> 02:50:02.776
sensible in in any way you can look at

02:50:02.800 --> 02:50:04.776
it. And the other thing as well is when

02:50:04.800 --> 02:50:07.415
you've got a a townhouse, which I do,

02:50:07.439 --> 02:50:09.016
there are four of us and honestly

02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:11.576
there's no room on the nature strip and

02:50:11.600 --> 02:50:13.496
you've I'm trying to protect my street

02:50:13.520 --> 02:50:15.496
tree as well, which is growing and it

02:50:15.520 --> 02:50:17.096
kept on getting knocked with the trucks

02:50:17.120 --> 02:50:18.616
and everything. And when that's all

02:50:18.640 --> 02:50:20.216
happening, you've got the you know,

02:50:20.240 --> 02:50:22.056
you're trying to tree canopy, you've got

02:50:22.080 --> 02:50:24.616
the trucks. It's it's really chaotic out

02:50:24.640 --> 02:50:27.096
there. And I think we've really got to

02:50:27.120 --> 02:50:29.976
say three bins is probably enough. But

02:50:30.000 --> 02:50:32.696
also been as as councelor Barker

02:50:32.720 --> 02:50:35.096
mentioned, you know, I actually when um

02:50:35.120 --> 02:50:37.896
I went through my um bin to look for

02:50:37.920 --> 02:50:39.656
amount of glass, there was nothing in my

02:50:39.680 --> 02:50:41.656
bin. It was I don't put it out very

02:50:41.680 --> 02:50:44.216
often. There was no glass. So I think

02:50:44.240 --> 02:50:45.816
you've got to look at that practically.

02:50:45.840 --> 02:50:48.216
And yes, whilst and this is this has now

02:50:48.240 --> 02:50:50.136
evolved for quite some time. So things

02:50:50.160 --> 02:50:52.776
have changed. CDS has come on board. Um

02:50:52.800 --> 02:50:54.056
I think we should be looking at this

02:50:54.080 --> 02:50:56.375
sensibly. I'm I'm I'm happy to make this

02:50:56.399 --> 02:50:58.295
strong stance and and support this

02:50:58.319 --> 02:51:00.696
recommendation. Thank you,Mayor.

02:51:00.720 --> 02:51:02.295
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Would anyone

02:51:02.319 --> 02:51:05.096
else like to speak to the motion?

02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:06.136
Councelor Gum.

02:51:06.160 --> 02:51:08.455
Thank you,Mayor. Um, I just want to

02:51:08.479 --> 02:51:10.455
give a very quick backdrop as to how we

02:51:10.479 --> 02:51:12.536
got to this point. In December last

02:51:12.560 --> 02:51:15.560
year, we voted on our two  options and

02:51:16.240 --> 02:51:18.136
we deferred the decision on the glass

02:51:18.160 --> 02:51:21.160
bin. So you recall that had over 5,100

02:51:22.080 --> 02:51:24.136
people that joined us in that

02:51:24.160 --> 02:51:27.016
consultation and I was just have had

02:51:27.040 --> 02:51:29.976
managed to find the um  the report.

02:51:30.000 --> 02:51:31.415
Significant opposition to the

02:51:31.439 --> 02:51:33.896
introduction of a glass bin exists in

02:51:33.920 --> 02:51:35.656
the community with most concerns

02:51:35.680 --> 02:51:37.896
focusing on limited space, additional

02:51:37.920 --> 02:51:40.295
costs, and low generation of glass

02:51:40.319 --> 02:51:42.216
waste. Why are we doing this? We're

02:51:42.240 --> 02:51:44.936
being told to do this.

02:51:44.960 --> 02:51:47.016
Let's not do this. No one in the

02:51:47.040 --> 02:51:50.040
community wants it. Um I've again

02:51:50.720 --> 02:51:52.216
commenced a bit another round of

02:51:52.240 --> 02:51:54.216
doornocking and people are still asking

02:51:54.240 --> 02:51:56.056
what's happened with glass and I keep

02:51:56.080 --> 02:51:57.896
saying we've deferred the decision and

02:51:57.920 --> 02:51:59.576
we're coming back and making decision on

02:51:59.600 --> 02:52:01.816
this tonight. I'm very pleased that

02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:03.576
we're not going this alone. There are

02:52:03.600 --> 02:52:06.600
many councils across Victoria that are

02:52:06.880 --> 02:52:08.536
in on this and we should be joining

02:52:08.560 --> 02:52:11.560
that.  it's it's a preposterous idea.

02:52:11.680 --> 02:52:14.455
Um it makes a very limited sense. The

02:52:14.479 --> 02:52:16.455
the  the rationale was the

02:52:16.479 --> 02:52:18.375
crosscontamination of glass and mixed

02:52:18.399 --> 02:52:21.399
recycling  is costs money which it

02:52:21.920 --> 02:52:24.375
probably does but it wouldn't cost the

02:52:24.399 --> 02:52:25.976
amount of money we're being asked to to

02:52:26.000 --> 02:52:28.375
put in  we're passing on to our

02:52:28.399 --> 02:52:30.136
residents to run trucks down every

02:52:30.160 --> 02:52:32.616
street to pick up one jar. Um let's

02:52:32.640 --> 02:52:35.096
continue with this option.

02:52:35.120 --> 02:52:37.576
Thank you councelor Gun. Would anyone

02:52:37.600 --> 02:52:40.295
else like to speak to the motion? Given

02:52:40.319 --> 02:52:41.656
that there was no one speaking against

02:52:41.680 --> 02:52:43.335
the motion, I will now put the motion.

02:52:43.359 --> 02:52:46.359
Those in favor?

02:52:46.560 --> 02:52:49.496
Unanimously passed. I would just like to

02:52:49.520 --> 02:52:51.255
make a quick comment. It's actually 39

02:52:51.279 --> 02:52:53.176
councils that now have joined the the

02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:56.200
group. Um, and so that's over 50% just

02:52:56.560 --> 02:52:59.560
of all councils.

02:53:03.840 --> 02:53:06.295
We now move to item 10.7 the proposed

02:53:06.319 --> 02:53:08.455
budget 202627.

02:53:08.479 --> 02:53:10.455
Can I have a counselor move the item?

02:53:10.479 --> 02:53:11.576
So move, madameMayor.

02:53:11.600 --> 02:53:14.536
 so well okay now you move it and I'll

02:53:14.560 --> 02:53:15.255
second it.

02:53:15.279 --> 02:53:17.096
Okay. So could I now could I just repeat

02:53:17.120 --> 02:53:17.576
the question?

02:53:17.600 --> 02:53:19.656
I got sorry madameMayor. I got we got

02:53:19.680 --> 02:53:20.295
it mixed.

02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:21.415
That's okay. Could I have a counselor

02:53:21.439 --> 02:53:22.295
move the item?

02:53:22.319 --> 02:53:23.016
Well withdraw.

02:53:23.040 --> 02:53:24.375
Councelor Weller

02:53:24.399 --> 02:53:26.216
 would like to move with an amendment.

02:53:26.240 --> 02:53:26.776
Mayor,

02:53:26.800 --> 02:53:28.536
thank you. Councelor Ellen, I assume

02:53:28.560 --> 02:53:31.016
you're seconding. second this motion

02:53:31.040 --> 02:53:31.176
mayor.

02:53:31.200 --> 02:53:32.856
Thank you very much for that clarity.

02:53:32.880 --> 02:53:34.216
Councelor Weller been put back in the

02:53:34.240 --> 02:53:35.255
box tonight.

02:53:35.279 --> 02:53:37.576
I'll just briefly speak to the

02:53:37.600 --> 02:53:39.896
amendment. It is to reflect the decision

02:53:39.920 --> 02:53:42.920
that we have just made.

02:53:43.600 --> 02:53:44.216
Thank you.

02:53:44.240 --> 02:53:47.096
Councelor Well, would you like to speak

02:53:47.120 --> 02:53:47.896
to the motion?

02:53:47.920 --> 02:53:50.056
Yes, please.  I am pleased to move

02:53:50.080 --> 02:53:53.080
that the proposed budget for 2627 be

02:53:53.439 --> 02:53:56.216
released for community consultation

02:53:56.240 --> 02:53:59.240
under the Local Government Act 2020. We

02:53:59.359 --> 02:54:01.576
are required to take an integrated

02:54:01.600 --> 02:54:03.736
principles-based approach to planning

02:54:03.760 --> 02:54:06.455
and reporting. In simple terms, our

02:54:06.479 --> 02:54:08.856
decisions must reflect the social,

02:54:08.880 --> 02:54:11.576
cultural, environmental, and economic

02:54:11.600 --> 02:54:13.976
context of Whitehorse, and they must be

02:54:14.000 --> 02:54:16.936
delivered responsibly and sustainably.

02:54:16.960 --> 02:54:19.960
This budget meets that expectation.

02:54:20.160 --> 02:54:23.016
It forms part of our rolling 4-year plan

02:54:23.040 --> 02:54:25.496
to deliver the strategic objectives in

02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:28.520
the integrated council plan 2529.

02:54:29.279 --> 02:54:31.496
The budget brings those priorities to

02:54:31.520 --> 02:54:34.295
life through the year 2 action plan

02:54:34.319 --> 02:54:37.096
outlining 39 actions that strengthen

02:54:37.120 --> 02:54:39.496
community well-being, improve local

02:54:39.520 --> 02:54:42.295
infrastructure, support economic growth,

02:54:42.319 --> 02:54:44.295
protect our environment, and ensure

02:54:44.319 --> 02:54:47.096
transparent responsive governance.

02:54:47.120 --> 02:54:49.576
Importantly, this budget has been shaped

02:54:49.600 --> 02:54:52.600
by community voices through the 2024

02:54:53.120 --> 02:54:55.255
shaping Whitehorse engagement and

02:54:55.279 --> 02:54:57.896
feedback on last year's budget. And

02:54:57.920 --> 02:55:00.295
those voices were consistent. People

02:55:00.319 --> 02:55:02.696
want well-maintained parks, more green

02:55:02.720 --> 02:55:05.496
space, safer and more accessible walking

02:55:05.520 --> 02:55:07.896
and cycling connections, and a better

02:55:07.920 --> 02:55:10.375
balance between investment in organized

02:55:10.399 --> 02:55:13.399
sport and broader community use. These

02:55:13.439 --> 02:55:15.415
priorities are reflected throughout the

02:55:15.439 --> 02:55:16.936
document.

02:55:16.960 --> 02:55:19.496
Internally, we are continuing our focus

02:55:19.520 --> 02:55:22.056
on strong financial management, contract

02:55:22.080 --> 02:55:24.536
governance, digital enablement, shared

02:55:24.560 --> 02:55:27.415
services, and continuous improvement.

02:55:27.439 --> 02:55:29.255
These are not buzzwords. They are

02:55:29.279 --> 02:55:31.176
practical tools that help us deliver

02:55:31.200 --> 02:55:33.816
services efficiently, responsibly, and

02:55:33.840 --> 02:55:35.496
sustainably.

02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:37.415
Externally, we are working in a

02:55:37.439 --> 02:55:40.375
difficult economic climate. Inflation,

02:55:40.399 --> 02:55:42.856
fuel and construction costs and supply

02:55:42.880 --> 02:55:45.656
chain pressures continue to shift and

02:55:45.680 --> 02:55:47.576
our officers are monitoring these

02:55:47.600 --> 02:55:50.375
conditions closely. This budget reflects

02:55:50.399 --> 02:55:52.696
the best information available at the

02:55:52.720 --> 02:55:55.496
time it was prepared. We are also

02:55:55.520 --> 02:55:57.816
managing pressures beyond our control,

02:55:57.840 --> 02:56:00.375
rising insurance premiums, cost shifting

02:56:00.399 --> 02:56:02.136
from other levels of government,

02:56:02.160 --> 02:56:04.776
demographic change and the impacts of

02:56:04.800 --> 02:56:07.800
major state projects like SRL and NEL.

02:56:08.640 --> 02:56:10.696
These projects bring opportunities, but

02:56:10.720 --> 02:56:13.016
they also require careful planning for

02:56:13.040 --> 02:56:16.040
open space, growth, and community needs.

02:56:16.319 --> 02:56:18.216
Despite these pressures, the rate

02:56:18.240 --> 02:56:20.936
increase remains at 2.75%,

02:56:20.960 --> 02:56:22.536
consistent with the Victorian

02:56:22.560 --> 02:56:25.496
government's fairgo rate system. This

02:56:25.520 --> 02:56:27.576
allows us to maintain highquality

02:56:27.600 --> 02:56:30.216
services while continuing to invest in

02:56:30.240 --> 02:56:32.455
essential infrastructure.

02:56:32.479 --> 02:56:34.536
The budget projects an operational

02:56:34.560 --> 02:56:37.560
service of 33.93 million with revenue of

02:56:38.720 --> 02:56:41.720
279 million and expenses of 245 million.

02:56:44.160 --> 02:56:47.096
It also proposes an 85 million capital

02:56:47.120 --> 02:56:49.016
works program.

02:56:49.040 --> 02:56:52.040
On the operational side, we are funding

02:56:52.080 --> 02:56:55.080
195 million in services from waste and

02:56:55.359 --> 02:56:58.136
recycling, parks and natural environment

02:56:58.160 --> 02:57:00.936
to libraries, community safety, family

02:57:00.960 --> 02:57:03.415
services, and more. These are the

02:57:03.439 --> 02:57:05.576
services that keep our city running and

02:57:05.600 --> 02:57:08.455
support the well-being of our residents.

02:57:08.479 --> 02:57:10.536
Fees and charges have been reviewed with

02:57:10.560 --> 02:57:13.335
a focus on accessibility, equity, and

02:57:13.359 --> 02:57:15.496
social justice. Growth in leisure

02:57:15.520 --> 02:57:17.496
facilities, the recycling and waste

02:57:17.520 --> 02:57:19.736
center, and arts and culture,

02:57:19.760 --> 02:57:21.656
particularly the continued success of

02:57:21.680 --> 02:57:24.680
the round contributes to a 6.4% increase

02:57:25.120 --> 02:57:27.496
in budgeted income.

02:57:27.520 --> 02:57:29.176
Finally, I want to highlight the

02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:32.200
consultation process. From 22 April to

02:57:32.720 --> 02:57:35.415
10 May, the proposed budget will be open

02:57:35.439 --> 02:57:38.439
for community feedback online in print

02:57:38.800 --> 02:57:41.176
at our service centers and libraries and

02:57:41.200 --> 02:57:43.896
through four pop-up sessions across the

02:57:43.920 --> 02:57:45.496
municipality.

02:57:45.520 --> 02:57:47.896
All feedback will be reviewed before the

02:57:47.920 --> 02:57:50.920
final budget comes to council in June.

02:57:51.040 --> 02:57:53.415
This is an important opportunity for our

02:57:53.439 --> 02:57:55.576
community to shape the decisions that

02:57:55.600 --> 02:57:58.600
affect them and an important opportunity

02:57:58.640 --> 02:58:01.576
for us to listen. I commend the proposed

02:58:01.600 --> 02:58:04.600
budget and the recommendation.

02:58:04.800 --> 02:58:06.856
Thank you, councelor Weller. Councelor

02:58:06.880 --> 02:58:07.415
Allen.

02:58:07.439 --> 02:58:08.936
Thank you, Madame May. I have to adjust

02:58:08.960 --> 02:58:10.696
that somewhat. So, I I'll get into it

02:58:10.720 --> 02:58:13.496
now from three then to five down to

02:58:13.520 --> 02:58:16.520
three. Anyway, the two 2026 27 draft

02:58:16.720 --> 02:58:18.455
budget document that is going out for

02:58:18.479 --> 02:58:21.096
community consultation marks a crucial

02:58:21.120 --> 02:58:23.255
milestone in our council's commitment to

02:58:23.279 --> 02:58:25.415
building a vibrant, sustainable, and

02:58:25.439 --> 02:58:27.896
inclusive community. The budget has been

02:58:27.920 --> 02:58:30.056
prepared amidst  challenging times as

02:58:30.080 --> 02:58:31.656
has been said with the rising cost of

02:58:31.680 --> 02:58:34.136
living affecting both our households and

02:58:34.160 --> 02:58:36.936
our operational costs. As mandated by

02:58:36.960 --> 02:58:38.616
the local government act 2020, this

02:58:38.640 --> 02:58:41.496
budget is delivered within the

02:58:41.520 --> 02:58:44.520
government's rate cap of 2.75%.

02:58:44.800 --> 02:58:47.255
We face the scissors effect which is a

02:58:47.279 --> 02:58:49.736
new one. Income from rates is limited

02:58:49.760 --> 02:58:52.295
yet the costs of materials, wages and

02:58:52.319 --> 02:58:54.375
contract services are rising

02:58:54.399 --> 02:58:56.295
significantly.

02:58:56.319 --> 02:58:58.375
 the budget is not just about numbers.

02:58:58.399 --> 02:58:59.896
It's about making hard choices to

02:58:59.920 --> 02:59:01.736
prioritize essential services while

02:59:01.760 --> 02:59:04.056
keeping community affordability at the

02:59:04.080 --> 02:59:07.080
forefront.  we are investing $85

02:59:07.120 --> 02:59:09.415
million in capital works. This includes

02:59:09.439 --> 02:59:11.736
repairing our roads, updating community

02:59:11.760 --> 02:59:13.656
buildings and improving drainage,

02:59:13.680 --> 02:59:16.680
building assets that last. A major

02:59:16.800 --> 02:59:18.136
investment in waste management and

02:59:18.160 --> 02:59:19.976
street cleaning and safety programs

02:59:20.000 --> 02:59:22.056
ensures our community remains a pleasant

02:59:22.080 --> 02:59:25.016
place to live.  council well has also

02:59:25.040 --> 02:59:26.856
highlighted the the different community

02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:28.455
services but you know as as as has as

02:59:28.479 --> 02:59:31.479
has been said 195 million  recognizing

02:59:31.920 --> 02:59:33.736
the economic climate this budget

02:59:33.760 --> 02:59:35.896
maintains a strong support for maternal

02:59:35.920 --> 02:59:38.295
and child health age care services and

02:59:38.319 --> 02:59:41.016
family support programs in many ways

02:59:41.040 --> 02:59:43.656
this pro this budget will be shaped by

02:59:43.680 --> 02:59:45.496
the community we look forward to the

02:59:45.520 --> 02:59:47.896
consultation process and the response

02:59:47.920 --> 02:59:50.696
from our community while we manage our

02:59:50.720 --> 02:59:53.720
funds carefully we continue to advocate

02:59:54.560 --> 02:59:56.856
 to the state and federal governments

02:59:56.880 --> 02:59:58.696
for their fair share of infrastructure

02:59:58.720 --> 03:00:01.720
funding  especially for such important

03:00:02.160 --> 03:00:04.455
projects like the Nutawading indoor

03:00:04.479 --> 03:00:07.096
sports center at East Burwood and

03:00:07.120 --> 03:00:09.656
projects and pavilions at Balisani

03:00:09.680 --> 03:00:12.455
Reserve, Benniswood Reserve, Surrey Park

03:00:12.479 --> 03:00:14.936
of course Davy Lane which is as we

03:00:14.960 --> 03:00:17.415
mentioned tonight  reserve  Man's

03:00:17.439 --> 03:00:20.056
Reserve and the two athletics tracks at

03:00:20.080 --> 03:00:22.536
Hagner Reserve and Bill Sewitt

03:00:22.560 --> 03:00:24.856
and others. We also will advocate for

03:00:24.880 --> 03:00:27.576
more open space,

03:00:27.600 --> 03:00:30.295
especially in Box Hill, and review of

03:00:30.319 --> 03:00:33.319
the windfall gains tax as it applies to

03:00:33.600 --> 03:00:35.016
council properties, and of course, the

03:00:35.040 --> 03:00:37.096
impact, and in my mind, the lack of

03:00:37.120 --> 03:00:39.976
fairness in town planning reforms. The

03:00:40.000 --> 03:00:42.776
2026 budget is financially responsible,

03:00:42.800 --> 03:00:45.176
future focused, and will be

03:00:45.200 --> 03:00:47.255
communitydriven. I want to thank the

03:00:47.279 --> 03:00:48.536
council staff for their input and

03:00:48.560 --> 03:00:51.496
diligence in preparing this document. It

03:00:51.520 --> 03:00:53.816
ensures we maintain our 100 plus

03:00:53.840 --> 03:00:55.816
services while investing in a better

03:00:55.840 --> 03:00:58.136
tomorrow and making the lives of our

03:00:58.160 --> 03:01:00.696
citizens better. I also commend the

03:01:00.720 --> 03:01:02.136
motion to council. Thank you, Madame

03:01:02.160 --> 03:01:03.016
May.

03:01:03.040 --> 03:01:04.616
Thank you, Councelor Allen. Would anyone

03:01:04.640 --> 03:01:06.136
like to speak to the motion? Councelor

03:01:06.160 --> 03:01:06.696
Barker.

03:01:06.720 --> 03:01:08.295
Thanks,Mayor.Mayor, I made a very

03:01:08.319 --> 03:01:11.016
clear promise when I sought to to ask

03:01:11.040 --> 03:01:12.696
the people of the or to put their trust

03:01:12.720 --> 03:01:15.096
in me. One of those was that rate rises

03:01:15.120 --> 03:01:17.415
would be kept below inflation. Now, we

03:01:17.439 --> 03:01:18.776
know inflation in Australia at the

03:01:18.800 --> 03:01:21.255
moment is tracking about 3.6%. 6% our

03:01:21.279 --> 03:01:24.279
rate rises 2.75. Now if trim mean

03:01:24.319 --> 03:01:27.176
inflation in this country in the next 6

03:01:27.200 --> 03:01:30.200
to 12 months doesn't go above 4%. I'll

03:01:31.439 --> 03:01:33.896
shave my head and run down Whitehorse

03:01:33.920 --> 03:01:35.496
road backwards in a chicken soup because

03:01:35.520 --> 03:01:37.976
that's the challenge that we've got. And

03:01:38.000 --> 03:01:41.000
it's a really important point to make

03:01:41.120 --> 03:01:42.856
because it's going to be a very

03:01:42.880 --> 03:01:45.176
difficult year for Mr. McMillan and his

03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:47.736
team because they're the facts that are

03:01:47.760 --> 03:01:50.760
confronting this economy.

03:01:50.800 --> 03:01:52.856
We're limited by the rate rises that we

03:01:52.880 --> 03:01:54.776
can provide, but as you would know,

03:01:54.800 --> 03:01:56.455
everyone from the people that pick up

03:01:56.479 --> 03:01:59.479
our rubbish in our in our bins, you

03:02:00.399 --> 03:02:03.176
know, they need to pass on those fuel

03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:06.200
costs, we know they will wash through

03:02:06.399 --> 03:02:08.216
the entire economy. So, trim mean

03:02:08.240 --> 03:02:11.240
inflation is going to be above four. our

03:02:11.680 --> 03:02:13.816
rate rise is projected if the rate the

03:02:13.840 --> 03:02:16.840
budget is passed at 2.75 that's not bad

03:02:16.880 --> 03:02:18.856
going but that puts a lot of pressure on

03:02:18.880 --> 03:02:21.096
the organization

03:02:21.120 --> 03:02:22.295
the other point I want to make for

03:02:22.319 --> 03:02:23.576
everyone at home and I think council

03:02:23.600 --> 03:02:24.936
weller captured it really well was this

03:02:24.960 --> 03:02:27.960
is our best first shot at it because

03:02:28.640 --> 03:02:30.536
when there are uncertain times and there

03:02:30.560 --> 03:02:32.776
are a lot of pressures on the budget we

03:02:32.800 --> 03:02:35.496
have the ability to be dynamic with it

03:02:35.520 --> 03:02:38.295
and I've got absolute confidence in Mr.

03:02:38.319 --> 03:02:41.319
McMillan Mr. can their teams we've

03:02:41.439 --> 03:02:44.136
managed difficult financial

03:02:44.160 --> 03:02:47.016
pressures during co especially and we

03:02:47.040 --> 03:02:50.040
can and we will do it again there's

03:02:50.399 --> 03:02:51.816
something in this budget that I'm

03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:54.216
incredibly proud of and I'm incredibly

03:02:54.240 --> 03:02:55.816
proud of all the counselors in here that

03:02:55.840 --> 03:02:57.736
have supported it to get it to this

03:02:57.760 --> 03:03:00.760
point and you all know that I constantly

03:03:01.760 --> 03:03:04.696
want better value out of our facilities

03:03:04.720 --> 03:03:07.096
and I want better value for people and

03:03:07.120 --> 03:03:09.016
about improving people's lives

03:03:09.040 --> 03:03:12.040
And that is the off peak four buck swim

03:03:13.040 --> 03:03:15.016
for people that turn up in off peak

03:03:15.040 --> 03:03:17.656
hours that are concession card holders.

03:03:17.680 --> 03:03:19.976
Four bucks to have a swim in White

03:03:20.000 --> 03:03:22.856
Horse. Now if someone on your enormous

03:03:22.880 --> 03:03:25.816
salary may be paying $ 950 a concession

03:03:25.840 --> 03:03:27.576
card holder at the moment I think pays

03:03:27.600 --> 03:03:30.600
$7 or $7.50. But in the future, our

03:03:31.279 --> 03:03:33.016
students, our pensioners, those that are

03:03:33.040 --> 03:03:34.616
not working, those that are on

03:03:34.640 --> 03:03:37.096
disability support pension carers will

03:03:37.120 --> 03:03:38.616
be able to swim in our pool for four

03:03:38.640 --> 03:03:41.640
bucks. That's improving people's lives.

03:03:41.680 --> 03:03:43.496
That's good for our pools. That's

03:03:43.520 --> 03:03:45.016
improving,

03:03:45.040 --> 03:03:47.176
you know, our utilization of these

03:03:47.200 --> 03:03:49.496
facilities. And it's delivering value to

03:03:49.520 --> 03:03:51.255
people because they've their money's

03:03:51.279 --> 03:03:53.096
been invested, hundreds of millions

03:03:53.120 --> 03:03:54.856
invested in these aquatic facilities,

03:03:54.880 --> 03:03:56.056
and we're going to be getting a bit of

03:03:56.080 --> 03:03:57.896
value out of them. It's good for people.

03:03:57.920 --> 03:03:59.576
It's good for the budget and it's good

03:03:59.600 --> 03:04:02.600
for our society.

03:04:02.640 --> 03:04:04.375
Thank you, councelor Barker. Would

03:04:04.399 --> 03:04:05.656
anyone else like to speak to

03:04:05.680 --> 03:04:07.096
have an amendment?Mayor

03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:08.216
Council Davenport.

03:04:08.240 --> 03:04:10.696
Part five, delete the word adopts and

03:04:10.720 --> 03:04:13.720
replace it with the word considers.

03:04:15.840 --> 03:04:17.496
As the mover, how do you feel about that

03:04:17.520 --> 03:04:19.896
amendment? Can you please put it on the

03:04:19.920 --> 03:04:21.576
screen?

03:04:21.600 --> 03:04:24.600
, I do not accept that amendment.

03:04:25.520 --> 03:04:28.056
So removes the word adopts and then says

03:04:28.080 --> 03:04:30.936
considers

03:04:30.960 --> 03:04:33.960
councelor Allen

03:04:34.000 --> 03:04:37.000
point just a po point of query the way

03:04:37.760 --> 03:04:39.496
that I'm just looking looking at that

03:04:39.520 --> 03:04:42.375
now councelor D might have a point how

03:04:42.399 --> 03:04:45.399
can you adopt something in the future or

03:04:45.680 --> 03:04:47.576
make

03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:49.896
you know what I mean I'm just quering

03:04:49.920 --> 03:04:51.896
that the wording the fact how can you

03:04:51.920 --> 03:04:54.920
adopt something yet to be considered

03:04:55.200 --> 03:04:57.176
Okay. Well, given I'm ready to debate

03:04:57.200 --> 03:04:59.255
that may excuse me, councelor Davenport,

03:04:59.279 --> 03:05:01.176
could you leave not speak over me?

03:05:01.200 --> 03:05:03.335
Given Excuse me, councelor Allen.

03:05:03.359 --> 03:05:05.976
Councelor Willer did not agree with the

03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:08.616
amendment. So, , as the mover, is

03:05:08.640 --> 03:05:09.656
there anyone going to second that

03:05:09.680 --> 03:05:10.455
amendment?

03:05:10.479 --> 03:05:11.496
Happy to second.

03:05:11.520 --> 03:05:12.936
Thank you, Council Barker. Councelor

03:05:12.960 --> 03:05:14.616
Davenport. We're now debating the

03:05:14.640 --> 03:05:15.816
amendment.

03:05:15.840 --> 03:05:18.840
Well, thank thank you, ,Mayor. And um

03:05:18.880 --> 03:05:21.335
I think what councelor Allen sums up my

03:05:21.359 --> 03:05:24.359
point um quite succinctly. Um I don't

03:05:24.880 --> 03:05:26.856
think it's a good look for us to have in

03:05:26.880 --> 03:05:28.856
our our motion that we're going to adopt

03:05:28.880 --> 03:05:31.880
the budget on um the 22nd of June even

03:05:33.920 --> 03:05:36.920
before community consultation

03:05:37.359 --> 03:05:39.496
is done.

03:05:39.520 --> 03:05:40.936
Now, the best that we can do is say,

03:05:40.960 --> 03:05:42.295
"All right, we'll bring it back here to

03:05:42.319 --> 03:05:44.295
the chamber on the 22nd of June and have

03:05:44.319 --> 03:05:46.616
a look at it at it." Because what's

03:05:46.640 --> 03:05:49.415
going to happen between the 10th of May

03:05:49.439 --> 03:05:51.816
and the 22nd of June is we're going to

03:05:51.840 --> 03:05:53.896
have our council officers go through

03:05:53.920 --> 03:05:56.920
that um through community submissions

03:05:57.760 --> 03:05:59.736
and give feedback in whether to or not

03:05:59.760 --> 03:06:02.455
to adopt those changes or not. To say

03:06:02.479 --> 03:06:04.776
tonight that we're going to adopt the

03:06:04.800 --> 03:06:07.800
budget at this point in time I think is

03:06:08.560 --> 03:06:10.056
premature.

03:06:10.080 --> 03:06:11.656
Now if you look at the wording that we

03:06:11.680 --> 03:06:13.816
use in in other resolutions tonight we

03:06:13.840 --> 03:06:16.776
had the art one. So it came to us and it

03:06:16.800 --> 03:06:19.656
says we will adopt the art policy. We we

03:06:19.680 --> 03:06:22.216
we do that because we're accepting it.

03:06:22.240 --> 03:06:23.816
If we say this tonight we're saying

03:06:23.840 --> 03:06:26.536
we're adopting the budget on on 22nd of

03:06:26.560 --> 03:06:29.176
June. The best that we can do is

03:06:29.200 --> 03:06:32.200
consider it now and then we make a

03:06:32.800 --> 03:06:34.536
decision at that point in time. No

03:06:34.560 --> 03:06:36.936
submissions probably gets adopted. If

03:06:36.960 --> 03:06:38.616
there's submissions, there'll be a

03:06:38.640 --> 03:06:39.896
discussion on what we need to

03:06:39.920 --> 03:06:42.216
incorporate or what we don't. So

03:06:42.240 --> 03:06:45.240
councilors, I think we got to be clear.

03:06:45.359 --> 03:06:47.976
This isn't a rubber stamp exercise. This

03:06:48.000 --> 03:06:49.656
consultation,

03:06:49.680 --> 03:06:51.016
this is where we're going to listen to

03:06:51.040 --> 03:06:53.816
the community. I don't want to pre um

03:06:53.840 --> 03:06:56.536
pres presuppose that outcome with with

03:06:56.560 --> 03:06:58.216
adopting a budget. That's why I've asked

03:06:58.240 --> 03:07:01.240
for the amendment. Thank you,Mayor.

03:07:01.920 --> 03:07:03.016
Councelor Barker.

03:07:03.040 --> 03:07:04.455
Oh, nothing to add,Mayor. We can't

03:07:04.479 --> 03:07:07.255
compel our we can't, you know, compel

03:07:07.279 --> 03:07:08.856
ourselves to a certain act in the

03:07:08.880 --> 03:07:11.576
future. Of course, we'll consider it.

03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:13.816
I would like to ask a question um of Mr.

03:07:13.840 --> 03:07:16.536
McMillan. What does

03:07:16.560 --> 03:07:19.096
considers actually mean in terms of that

03:07:19.120 --> 03:07:22.120
definition?

03:07:22.800 --> 03:07:25.800
 through you Mayor having heard the

03:07:28.000 --> 03:07:29.976
amendment and the discussion or the

03:07:30.000 --> 03:07:32.295
issue discussed as raised by council

03:07:32.319 --> 03:07:35.319
Davenport I don't dispute what council

03:07:35.520 --> 03:07:38.375
Davenport is suggesting because what you

03:07:38.399 --> 03:07:39.736
can look at it two ways you can adopt

03:07:39.760 --> 03:07:41.496
for the purpose of  community

03:07:41.520 --> 03:07:43.576
consultation

03:07:43.600 --> 03:07:46.600
um or you could consider it in the word

03:07:47.040 --> 03:07:49.255
in the word that's suggested there so in

03:07:49.279 --> 03:07:50.776
other words you go two ways you adopt

03:07:50.800 --> 03:07:53.576
for the purpose of consultation.

03:07:53.600 --> 03:07:56.216
I think ideally and as councelor Barker

03:07:56.240 --> 03:07:59.240
has suggested is that until you the

03:07:59.680 --> 03:08:01.736
adoption the the actual adoption occurs

03:08:01.760 --> 03:08:03.896
at the council meeting on the 22nd of

03:08:03.920 --> 03:08:06.920
June. Um for the purpose of process

03:08:08.880 --> 03:08:10.936
everything's open for consideration up

03:08:10.960 --> 03:08:13.960
until that point. That would be my

03:08:15.200 --> 03:08:17.736
 advice.

03:08:17.760 --> 03:08:20.295
That makes sense.

03:08:20.319 --> 03:08:22.136
Thank you, Mr. McMillan. Are there any

03:08:22.160 --> 03:08:23.576
further speakers to the amendment?

03:08:23.600 --> 03:08:25.976
Madame Mck on a point, Alan,

03:08:26.000 --> 03:08:27.816
just on a point. Can I move an

03:08:27.840 --> 03:08:29.896
amendment?

03:08:29.920 --> 03:08:32.776
, move an amendment on the amendment.

03:08:32.800 --> 03:08:34.375
Yes.

03:08:34.399 --> 03:08:35.976
No, you can't. We have to debate this

03:08:36.000 --> 03:08:38.295
amendment first. Councelor Allen.

03:08:38.319 --> 03:08:40.136
Okay.

03:08:40.160 --> 03:08:40.856
Thank you.

03:08:40.880 --> 03:08:42.856
Any further speakers to this amendment?

03:08:42.880 --> 03:08:45.880
Councelor Cuts. Um I understand the

03:08:46.399 --> 03:08:49.399
difference here and what councelor

03:08:49.600 --> 03:08:51.255
Davenport's saying and I actually think

03:08:51.279 --> 03:08:53.576
we should the word should be considered

03:08:53.600 --> 03:08:55.656
because we will consider it then we

03:08:55.680 --> 03:08:58.680
assume it will be adopted but to preempt

03:08:59.120 --> 03:09:00.936
that I think possibly is not the right

03:09:00.960 --> 03:09:02.455
thing because it could be and it's

03:09:02.479 --> 03:09:04.216
happened before not with the budget but

03:09:04.240 --> 03:09:05.816
it has happened before that we've had to

03:09:05.840 --> 03:09:08.216
have a special council meeting to

03:09:08.240 --> 03:09:09.976
discuss further business if it was not

03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:11.816
adopted at that time but with because

03:09:11.840 --> 03:09:14.840
the deadline is the 30th of June um that

03:09:15.120 --> 03:09:17.176
it needs to be adopted by but there is

03:09:17.200 --> 03:09:19.656
another Monday there or you know any

03:09:19.680 --> 03:09:21.096
other day of the week. I think we have

03:09:21.120 --> 03:09:22.936
chose a Thursday for a special meeting

03:09:22.960 --> 03:09:24.616
at one stage. I think we've only had one

03:09:24.640 --> 03:09:26.696
in my tenures on council but it is

03:09:26.720 --> 03:09:28.455
possible. I think considers is a better

03:09:28.479 --> 03:09:30.375
word in this instance. Thank you.

03:09:30.399 --> 03:09:31.816
Thank you councelor cuts. Would anyone

03:09:31.840 --> 03:09:33.096
else like to speak to the amendment?

03:09:33.120 --> 03:09:34.216
I have a questionMayor

03:09:34.240 --> 03:09:35.096
council Simpson

03:09:35.120 --> 03:09:36.776
just wondering why the word adopts was

03:09:36.800 --> 03:09:38.375
used in the first place if it has any

03:09:38.399 --> 03:09:41.399
particular meaning or um implication.

03:09:41.760 --> 03:09:43.576
Mr. McMillan

03:09:43.600 --> 03:09:45.176
 through you may the assumption would

03:09:45.200 --> 03:09:46.856
be that it was adopt for the purpose of

03:09:46.880 --> 03:09:48.375
the word adopt was in there for the

03:09:48.399 --> 03:09:50.616
purpose of public consultation

03:09:50.640 --> 03:09:52.696
engagement which is not unusual but it

03:09:52.720 --> 03:09:54.136
can be a bit misleading so I think

03:09:54.160 --> 03:09:56.295
consider is an appropriate word

03:09:56.319 --> 03:09:58.536
thank you councelor McMillan any further

03:09:58.560 --> 03:10:00.375
speakers to would you like to speak to

03:10:00.399 --> 03:10:02.776
the motion councelor Simpson

03:10:02.800 --> 03:10:04.136
okay would anyone else like to speak to

03:10:04.160 --> 03:10:07.160
the mo to the amendment I apologize

03:10:08.560 --> 03:10:11.560
given that um it I Now put the

03:10:12.319 --> 03:10:15.319
amendment. Those in favor

03:10:17.840 --> 03:10:20.840
carried unanimously. We now return to

03:10:21.120 --> 03:10:24.120
the motion with the amendment.

03:10:27.920 --> 03:10:29.656
Are there any further speakers to the

03:10:29.680 --> 03:10:30.936
motion?

03:10:30.960 --> 03:10:31.736
Yes, ma'am.

03:10:31.760 --> 03:10:32.776
Councelor Simpson.

03:10:32.800 --> 03:10:34.776
Thank you,Mayor. I'd firstly like to

03:10:34.800 --> 03:10:36.536
congratulate all the officers involved

03:10:36.560 --> 03:10:39.335
with putting together this document. Um,

03:10:39.359 --> 03:10:41.176
councilors, I've shared before that

03:10:41.200 --> 03:10:42.776
during the election period, one issue

03:10:42.800 --> 03:10:44.455
that was raised with me by members in my

03:10:44.479 --> 03:10:46.696
community was the issue of transparency.

03:10:46.720 --> 03:10:48.216
And I have to say that this document

03:10:48.240 --> 03:10:51.240
goes a long way to , showing our

03:10:51.600 --> 03:10:53.335
community that we are wanting to be

03:10:53.359 --> 03:10:54.696
transparent with them about our

03:10:54.720 --> 03:10:57.255
financial affairs. Um notable

03:10:57.279 --> 03:10:59.576
improvements in the budget not only

03:10:59.600 --> 03:11:01.896
documents not only include higher level

03:11:01.920 --> 03:11:03.736
overviews um for those that are

03:11:03.760 --> 03:11:05.736
interested but also more detailed tables

03:11:05.760 --> 03:11:07.415
and information for those that want to

03:11:07.439 --> 03:11:09.976
delve deeper. It's colorcoded. It's very

03:11:10.000 --> 03:11:13.000
well organized um visually. Um it is a

03:11:14.560 --> 03:11:16.696
great improvement as a document and I

03:11:16.720 --> 03:11:18.216
really do want to congratulate all those

03:11:18.240 --> 03:11:20.375
that are involved. But to the substance

03:11:20.399 --> 03:11:22.056
of the budget itself councilors there's

03:11:22.080 --> 03:11:23.415
two things that really stood out to me

03:11:23.439 --> 03:11:26.375
in it. time. Um Mr. Ken and his team

03:11:26.399 --> 03:11:28.295
have identified $1 million worth of

03:11:28.319 --> 03:11:31.016
savings  which is fantastic. Um that's

03:11:31.040 --> 03:11:32.295
obviously money we can put to better

03:11:32.319 --> 03:11:34.856
use. The other thing councilors is the

03:11:34.880 --> 03:11:37.880
1.6% 6%  decrease in the waist service

03:11:38.160 --> 03:11:40.536
charge we're going to offer  people

03:11:40.560 --> 03:11:42.776
for 2627

03:11:42.800 --> 03:11:45.096
and that just reflects the fact relating

03:11:45.120 --> 03:11:46.776
to the previous item council is that the

03:11:46.800 --> 03:11:48.856
volume of glass and especially in

03:11:48.880 --> 03:11:50.455
co-mingled recycling has dropped so

03:11:50.479 --> 03:11:52.375
significantly in other containers as

03:11:52.399 --> 03:11:55.096
well um that we actually have collected

03:11:55.120 --> 03:11:57.816
less weight less waste in this year and

03:11:57.840 --> 03:11:59.415
because the waste service charge is an

03:11:59.439 --> 03:12:02.056
estimate of what we think we're going to

03:12:02.080 --> 03:12:04.776
spend and because we've underspent we

03:12:04.800 --> 03:12:06.536
have decided to give some of that money

03:12:06.560 --> 03:12:08.455
back to the community by reducing their

03:12:08.479 --> 03:12:10.455
waist service charge in this financial

03:12:10.479 --> 03:12:13.479
year or the 26 27 financial year. So I

03:12:13.520 --> 03:12:14.936
really want to commend officers for

03:12:14.960 --> 03:12:17.816
their work in that and for um knowing

03:12:17.840 --> 03:12:19.335
our community is going through as

03:12:19.359 --> 03:12:20.856
councelor Bark has already talked about

03:12:20.880 --> 03:12:23.496
some significant challenges passing that

03:12:23.520 --> 03:12:25.896
saving back on to the community. But

03:12:25.920 --> 03:12:27.096
finally councilors when it comes to

03:12:27.120 --> 03:12:29.576
point two to do with glass we do need to

03:12:29.600 --> 03:12:32.455
go into this with our eyes wide open.

03:12:32.479 --> 03:12:35.479
Um, removing glass from the 2627 budget

03:12:35.920 --> 03:12:37.415
doesn't really have an impact on this

03:12:37.439 --> 03:12:38.856
budget. We could actually leave it in

03:12:38.880 --> 03:12:40.375
and it wouldn't change anything. We take

03:12:40.399 --> 03:12:42.136
it out, it doesn't change anything. What

03:12:42.160 --> 03:12:44.056
it really does, councilors, is affect

03:12:44.080 --> 03:12:46.616
our budget for 2728

03:12:46.640 --> 03:12:47.976
because what we will be effectively

03:12:48.000 --> 03:12:49.576
doing is reducing the waste service

03:12:49.600 --> 03:12:51.335
charge to not cover the cost of the

03:12:51.359 --> 03:12:54.359
glass bin. But as I said in my previous

03:12:54.399 --> 03:12:56.375
statements about the glass, it is

03:12:56.399 --> 03:12:59.255
legislated. We may be unfortunately

03:12:59.279 --> 03:13:00.936
forced into a position where we have to

03:13:00.960 --> 03:13:03.255
deliver that service and we have to

03:13:03.279 --> 03:13:05.176
therefore raise the waist service charge

03:13:05.200 --> 03:13:07.255
on our residents in order to cover those

03:13:07.279 --> 03:13:09.976
costs and we have to go into this debate

03:13:10.000 --> 03:13:11.896
right now knowing that full well and if

03:13:11.920 --> 03:13:13.176
we're not comfortable with that as a

03:13:13.200 --> 03:13:14.936
councelor group then we need to move an

03:13:14.960 --> 03:13:17.960
amendment to remove 2. But if we are

03:13:18.319 --> 03:13:20.136
fair enough but at least we're going in

03:13:20.160 --> 03:13:22.136
with our eyes wide open about what the

03:13:22.160 --> 03:13:23.656
implications are going to be to the

03:13:23.680 --> 03:13:26.680
budget going forwards. Thank you, Maya.

03:13:27.600 --> 03:13:29.816
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Are there

03:13:29.840 --> 03:13:31.576
any other speakers to the budget?

03:13:31.600 --> 03:13:32.455
Yes, ma'am.

03:13:32.479 --> 03:13:34.776
Thank you, Councelor Sten.

03:13:34.800 --> 03:13:37.800
Thank you,Mayor. Um, this is a a

03:13:38.000 --> 03:13:41.000
reasonable and balanced approach um to

03:13:41.120 --> 03:13:42.936
managing our assets, improving local

03:13:42.960 --> 03:13:45.255
amenity, and investing in long-term

03:13:45.279 --> 03:13:47.415
needs in our community.

03:13:47.439 --> 03:13:49.096
I'd like to  just highlight a few

03:13:49.120 --> 03:13:52.120
local examples

03:13:52.239 --> 03:13:54.215
where this budget aligns strongly with

03:13:54.239 --> 03:13:56.696
council's vision and our council plan

03:13:56.720 --> 03:13:58.215
demonstrating a commitment to

03:13:58.239 --> 03:14:00.215
maintaining essential infrastructure,

03:14:00.239 --> 03:14:02.215
enhancing community well-being, ensuring

03:14:02.239 --> 03:14:04.295
our public spaces remain safe,

03:14:04.319 --> 03:14:06.936
accessible, and enjoyable for all. At

03:14:06.960 --> 03:14:08.936
Walker Park, the grandstand

03:14:08.960 --> 03:14:11.016
waterproofing works are a clear example

03:14:11.040 --> 03:14:13.976
of responsible asset management. This

03:14:14.000 --> 03:14:15.816
investment protects a valued community

03:14:15.840 --> 03:14:17.976
sporting facility, supporting local

03:14:18.000 --> 03:14:20.375
sport and recreation while ensuring we

03:14:20.399 --> 03:14:22.616
preserve community infrastructure in a

03:14:22.640 --> 03:14:25.016
sustainable way for future generations.

03:14:25.040 --> 03:14:27.096
And I'm sure the  members there will

03:14:27.120 --> 03:14:29.496
be happy to remove an impromptu shower

03:14:29.520 --> 03:14:31.335
happening underneath the grand stand in

03:14:31.359 --> 03:14:32.936
their rooms.

03:14:32.960 --> 03:14:35.656
The Bratannia Mall outdoor seating

03:14:35.680 --> 03:14:37.656
weather protection aligns strongly with

03:14:37.680 --> 03:14:40.375
our goal of creating vibrant activated

03:14:40.399 --> 03:14:42.936
neighborhood centers. By pro improving

03:14:42.960 --> 03:14:44.616
comfort, usability and all weather

03:14:44.640 --> 03:14:46.056
conditions, we're supporting local

03:14:46.080 --> 03:14:48.295
traders, encouraging social connection,

03:14:48.319 --> 03:14:50.455
and strengthening the role of our town

03:14:50.479 --> 03:14:53.255
centers and community hubs. I'm pleased

03:14:53.279 --> 03:14:54.696
to also see the progression of the

03:14:54.720 --> 03:14:56.536
nutawing gymnastics building

03:14:56.560 --> 03:14:58.375
redevelopment included in the proposed

03:14:58.399 --> 03:15:00.136
budget which reflects council's

03:15:00.160 --> 03:15:01.896
commitment to planning for growing and

03:15:01.920 --> 03:15:04.696
evolving community needs. This project

03:15:04.720 --> 03:15:06.455
will support an important community

03:15:06.479 --> 03:15:09.255
support and ensures that we're making

03:15:09.279 --> 03:15:11.176
informed future focused investment

03:15:11.200 --> 03:15:13.415
decisions that align with our service

03:15:13.439 --> 03:15:16.136
delivery priorities. And finally, the

03:15:16.160 --> 03:15:19.160
Orwin Street  in um Mitchum rec road

03:15:20.479 --> 03:15:23.335
reconstruction  project demonstrates

03:15:23.359 --> 03:15:25.576
this core responsibility of council to

03:15:25.600 --> 03:15:27.656
maintain safe, reliable and efficient

03:15:27.680 --> 03:15:30.136
local infrastructure. These works

03:15:30.160 --> 03:15:32.136
directly support livability and

03:15:32.160 --> 03:15:34.136
connectivity, ensuring residents can

03:15:34.160 --> 03:15:36.295
move safely and efficiently efficiently

03:15:36.319 --> 03:15:38.215
through the neighborhoods. Together,

03:15:38.239 --> 03:15:40.936
these projects reflect a budget that is

03:15:40.960 --> 03:15:42.856
financially responsible but also clearly

03:15:42.880 --> 03:15:45.096
aligned with our vision. delivering

03:15:45.120 --> 03:15:47.176
practical improvements that enhance

03:15:47.200 --> 03:15:49.255
livability, strengthen community

03:15:49.279 --> 03:15:51.576
connection, and ensure our city remains

03:15:51.600 --> 03:15:53.816
wellmaintained and future ready. Thank

03:15:53.840 --> 03:15:55.976
you,Mayor.

03:15:56.000 --> 03:15:58.455
Thank you, Councelor Stennet.

03:15:58.479 --> 03:15:59.656
Yes,Mayor.

03:15:59.680 --> 03:16:02.215
Are there any Did you turn me off? Are

03:16:02.239 --> 03:16:03.496
there any further speakers?

03:16:03.520 --> 03:16:03.816
Yes.

03:16:03.840 --> 03:16:05.576
Thank you, councelor Griffith.

03:16:05.600 --> 03:16:08.295
I was very proud that this council

03:16:08.319 --> 03:16:11.319
forced um the budget into the community

03:16:12.000 --> 03:16:13.976
engagement policy just a year ago.

03:16:14.000 --> 03:16:15.576
Otherwise, this wouldn't be happening at

03:16:15.600 --> 03:16:17.816
all potentially.

03:16:17.840 --> 03:16:19.736
Um,

03:16:19.760 --> 03:16:22.536
but what happened last time

03:16:22.560 --> 03:16:24.616
was that we got a range of feedback on a

03:16:24.640 --> 03:16:26.215
range of issues. Some of them were not

03:16:26.239 --> 03:16:27.976
budget related and followed up

03:16:28.000 --> 03:16:29.896
separately. That was great. Some great

03:16:29.920 --> 03:16:31.976
outcomes there. But what actually

03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:33.576
changed?

03:16:33.600 --> 03:16:35.976
What actually changed after the budget

03:16:36.000 --> 03:16:38.056
went out to consultation?

03:16:38.080 --> 03:16:41.016
Not my memory serves that it wasn't too

03:16:41.040 --> 03:16:44.040
much. So I I do wonder if we need to

03:16:44.640 --> 03:16:47.415
provide a bit more guidelines on the

03:16:47.439 --> 03:16:50.295
type of things that possible to change

03:16:50.319 --> 03:16:53.319
less less more difficult to change.

03:16:54.399 --> 03:16:56.936
Is the organization really ready for

03:16:56.960 --> 03:16:58.856
feedback that people want to pay less

03:16:58.880 --> 03:17:01.496
rates than we plan to? Is that something

03:17:01.520 --> 03:17:03.656
we the organization would realistically

03:17:03.680 --> 03:17:06.680
consider or we considering other

03:17:06.960 --> 03:17:09.176
feasibility studies and small capital

03:17:09.200 --> 03:17:11.496
works?

03:17:11.520 --> 03:17:13.816
So I'm generally supportive of the

03:17:13.840 --> 03:17:16.696
budget going out but I do wonder whether

03:17:16.720 --> 03:17:18.536
we need to provide a bit more guidance

03:17:18.560 --> 03:17:21.335
to the community

03:17:21.359 --> 03:17:23.176
on what sort of things will be

03:17:23.200 --> 03:17:25.096
realistically considered and what sort

03:17:25.120 --> 03:17:26.936
of things are feasible and what sort of

03:17:26.960 --> 03:17:29.576
things are less feasible.

03:17:29.600 --> 03:17:31.176
At the moment it seems like a blank

03:17:31.200 --> 03:17:34.200
state. Seems like this is the document

03:17:34.560 --> 03:17:36.455
free for all. Do you want to change any

03:17:36.479 --> 03:17:38.936
number in it at all?

03:17:38.960 --> 03:17:41.960
My preference is if if if council could

03:17:42.000 --> 03:17:44.136
consider

03:17:44.160 --> 03:17:46.936
putting out the budget to consultation

03:17:46.960 --> 03:17:49.496
with a bit more bit more direction to

03:17:49.520 --> 03:17:52.520
the community and also for council to be

03:17:53.840 --> 03:17:56.840
um approach this with a listening ear

03:17:57.680 --> 03:18:00.680
that is ready to act. Listen, care and

03:18:00.960 --> 03:18:03.096
act. May that's a phrase that comes to

03:18:03.120 --> 03:18:05.736
mind. Um, at the moment it does seem

03:18:05.760 --> 03:18:08.295
like we're listening and caring, but

03:18:08.319 --> 03:18:11.255
last time not not much changed from a

03:18:11.279 --> 03:18:13.016
lot of feedback.

03:18:13.040 --> 03:18:15.335
Um, I'm supporting the recommendation as

03:18:15.359 --> 03:18:17.496
it stands, but I do have some concerns.

03:18:17.520 --> 03:18:19.016
Thanks, ma'am.

03:18:19.040 --> 03:18:20.375
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Would

03:18:20.399 --> 03:18:23.399
anyone else like to speak to the motion

03:18:23.439 --> 03:18:24.936
given there was no one speaking against

03:18:24.960 --> 03:18:26.776
the the motion? I now put the motion.

03:18:26.800 --> 03:18:29.415
All those in favor

03:18:29.439 --> 03:18:32.439
carried unanimously.

03:18:33.840 --> 03:18:36.215
Item 10.8

03:18:36.239 --> 03:18:39.239
proposed sale of land part former

03:18:39.680 --> 03:18:42.680
laneway adjacent to 105 Kenmar Street

03:18:43.920 --> 03:18:45.816
Mont Albert North. Can I have a

03:18:45.840 --> 03:18:46.936
counselor move the item?

03:18:46.960 --> 03:18:47.816
Happy to move,Mayor.

03:18:47.840 --> 03:18:49.415
Thank you, Council Simpson. And is there

03:18:49.439 --> 03:18:50.696
a second?

03:18:50.720 --> 03:18:51.736
A second. May.

03:18:51.760 --> 03:18:53.335
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Councelor

03:18:53.359 --> 03:18:53.976
Simpson.

03:18:54.000 --> 03:18:55.816
Thank you,Mayor. So councilors, , the

03:18:55.840 --> 03:18:57.576
purpose of the report tonight is to seek

03:18:57.600 --> 03:18:59.576
authorization to commence the formal

03:18:59.600 --> 03:19:02.295
statutory process for the sale of of a

03:19:02.319 --> 03:19:03.896
redundant council reserve that has

03:19:03.920 --> 03:19:05.736
already been incorporated into the fence

03:19:05.760 --> 03:19:08.455
boundary at 105 Kenme Street, Mont

03:19:08.479 --> 03:19:10.696
Albert North. And to understand this

03:19:10.720 --> 03:19:12.136
item, counselors, we need to understand

03:19:12.160 --> 03:19:14.056
a little bit of historical context. ,

03:19:14.080 --> 03:19:16.536
on the 18th of June 2007, council

03:19:16.560 --> 03:19:18.295
resolved to sell several several

03:19:18.319 --> 03:19:19.976
drainage and sewage reserves in this

03:19:20.000 --> 03:19:22.215
precinct to adjacent owners. Most of

03:19:22.239 --> 03:19:23.576
those sales were finalized, but

03:19:23.600 --> 03:19:25.496
negotiations with the previous owner of

03:19:25.520 --> 03:19:27.976
105 Kenmare Street stalled and the land

03:19:28.000 --> 03:19:30.375
has remained in council ownership. The

03:19:30.399 --> 03:19:32.375
current owners approached us and have

03:19:32.399 --> 03:19:34.375
requested to purchase the land leading

03:19:34.399 --> 03:19:36.136
to an agreement in principle for a sale

03:19:36.160 --> 03:19:39.160
at a market value. So, some fun facts

03:19:39.760 --> 03:19:42.136
about this site counselors. , it is

03:19:42.160 --> 03:19:45.160
15.24 m long by 4.57 m wide. So,

03:19:45.600 --> 03:19:47.736
obviously not very big. It is in

03:19:47.760 --> 03:19:49.496
entirely landlocked if you look at the

03:19:49.520 --> 03:19:51.976
maps in the report as it is at the back

03:19:52.000 --> 03:19:53.656
of the property. Um it has no street

03:19:53.680 --> 03:19:55.176
frontage. It is already fenced within

03:19:55.200 --> 03:19:58.200
the boundary of 105 Kenmare Street. Um

03:19:59.120 --> 03:20:01.176
it is currently being valued at a sale

03:20:01.200 --> 03:20:04.200
price of $65,000 plus GST. Um and it is

03:20:05.200 --> 03:20:07.415
currently zoned general residential 4.

03:20:07.439 --> 03:20:09.576
And of course the reason councilors that

03:20:09.600 --> 03:20:11.976
this  recommendation has come to us is

03:20:12.000 --> 03:20:14.375
because  this land is not required

03:20:14.399 --> 03:20:16.856
anymore for municipal or community uses

03:20:16.880 --> 03:20:18.776
because it is inaccessible to the public

03:20:18.800 --> 03:20:21.096
and therefore council  selling it

03:20:21.120 --> 03:20:23.096
allows us to redirect those funds those

03:20:23.120 --> 03:20:24.696
proceeds towards more effective

03:20:24.720 --> 03:20:27.176
community benefits elsewhere. This sale

03:20:27.200 --> 03:20:29.415
also effectively reaffirms the intent of

03:20:29.439 --> 03:20:32.439
the 2007 council resolution.

03:20:32.720 --> 03:20:34.696
So councilors, the next steps for this

03:20:34.720 --> 03:20:37.415
process  is that if we pass the

03:20:37.439 --> 03:20:39.576
recommendation tonight, the process is

03:20:39.600 --> 03:20:41.896
initiated under the section 114 of the

03:20:41.920 --> 03:20:43.335
local government act. And this includes

03:20:43.359 --> 03:20:45.016
publishing a notice of intention to sell

03:20:45.040 --> 03:20:47.016
and the age and on the council website,

03:20:47.040 --> 03:20:48.295
conducting a four-week community

03:20:48.319 --> 03:20:50.375
engagement period, including a yoursay

03:20:50.399 --> 03:20:52.696
digital page and  mailing to

03:20:52.720 --> 03:20:54.696
neighboring properties and entering into

03:20:54.720 --> 03:20:56.375
a heads of agreement to document the

03:20:56.399 --> 03:20:57.896
commercial terms pending the outcome of

03:20:57.920 --> 03:21:00.056
the public notice period. Finally,

03:21:00.080 --> 03:21:01.255
council is following that engagement

03:21:01.279 --> 03:21:03.016
process, a final report will be made to

03:21:03.040 --> 03:21:04.616
council to consider all the all the

03:21:04.640 --> 03:21:07.016
feedback before a final recommendation

03:21:07.040 --> 03:21:09.576
comes to us and whether we sell that

03:21:09.600 --> 03:21:11.896
land or not. So, councilors, I believe

03:21:11.920 --> 03:21:13.496
that selling this land is in the best

03:21:13.520 --> 03:21:15.255
interests  for all parties involved

03:21:15.279 --> 03:21:17.096
and we should proceed. Please support

03:21:17.120 --> 03:21:18.776
the motion.

03:21:18.800 --> 03:21:20.455
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Councelor

03:21:20.479 --> 03:21:21.176
Griffiths,

03:21:21.200 --> 03:21:23.816
nothing further.Mayor,

03:21:23.840 --> 03:21:25.255
would anyone else like to speak to this

03:21:25.279 --> 03:21:26.856
motion?

03:21:26.880 --> 03:21:28.295
Given that there are no speakers to the

03:21:28.319 --> 03:21:29.976
motion, I now put the motion. All those

03:21:30.000 --> 03:21:33.000
in favor pass unanimously.

03:21:36.640 --> 03:21:39.176
Item 10.9, draft pavilion development

03:21:39.200 --> 03:21:41.016
policy endorsement for community

03:21:41.040 --> 03:21:43.736
engagement. Could I have a council mo

03:21:43.760 --> 03:21:44.696
move the motion?

03:21:44.720 --> 03:21:45.816
So moved, madame may.

03:21:45.840 --> 03:21:48.840
Thank you, council Allen. And seconded

03:21:50.880 --> 03:21:51.736
second, man.

03:21:51.760 --> 03:21:54.295
Thank you, councelor Barker. Council

03:21:54.319 --> 03:21:55.656
Allen.

03:21:55.680 --> 03:21:58.536
Thank you, MadameMayor. Um, our

03:21:58.560 --> 03:22:01.415
municipality has a proud sporting

03:22:01.439 --> 03:22:04.215
history as we know with 31 pavilions

03:22:04.239 --> 03:22:07.239
supporting thousands of participants

03:22:07.279 --> 03:22:09.736
whilst there have been upgrades

03:22:09.760 --> 03:22:11.576
and new pavilions in the last 

03:22:11.600 --> 03:22:13.576
especially last two decades and and over

03:22:13.600 --> 03:22:16.600
the last recent years. Um is and Box Hill

03:22:18.000 --> 03:22:21.000
North.  Kerry Mur and Box Hill North. 

03:22:21.680 --> 03:22:24.680
Blackburn a few times.  Mitchum, 

03:22:25.920 --> 03:22:28.920
Vermont, Vermont South,  Heatherdale,

03:22:29.840 --> 03:22:32.215
and of course new ones at Boxhill City

03:22:32.239 --> 03:22:35.016
Oval,  and  Blackburn South, which

03:22:35.040 --> 03:22:37.415
are currently under construction.

03:22:37.439 --> 03:22:40.439
 there are still some of the of these

03:22:40.479 --> 03:22:42.295
others that were built many years ago

03:22:42.319 --> 03:22:45.319
and no longer meet  modern standards.

03:22:46.640 --> 03:22:49.496
 the two the 2019 policy is now out of

03:22:49.520 --> 03:22:52.295
date and and as now community

03:22:52.319 --> 03:22:55.319
expectations have changed changed a lot

03:22:55.520 --> 03:22:58.056
and obviously we look at shared use. The

03:22:58.080 --> 03:22:59.896
new policy also establishments a

03:22:59.920 --> 03:23:02.696
classification framework for the future.

03:23:02.720 --> 03:23:04.616
 the major  which would be an

03:23:04.640 --> 03:23:07.096
example like Boxville City Oval  which

03:23:07.120 --> 03:23:09.896
supports higher level of  sport local

03:23:09.920 --> 03:23:12.536
which is community level sport which is

03:23:12.560 --> 03:23:14.616
the majority of of the of our pavilions

03:23:14.640 --> 03:23:16.536
and satellite which was spoken about

03:23:16.560 --> 03:23:19.560
today at the possible at Davy Lane and

03:23:20.080 --> 03:23:22.056
mainly just change rooms and amenities

03:23:22.080 --> 03:23:24.136
and no social facilities and of course

03:23:24.160 --> 03:23:26.056
then we've got the mixed use pavilions.

03:23:26.080 --> 03:23:28.056
So the main purpose is to establish a

03:23:28.080 --> 03:23:30.616
clear, fair and objective framework to

03:23:30.640 --> 03:23:32.776
determine future development priorities

03:23:32.800 --> 03:23:35.800
and ensure our investment is strategic.

03:23:36.960 --> 03:23:39.576
Shared usage and flexibility.

03:23:39.600 --> 03:23:41.816
We must move away from single club

03:23:41.840 --> 03:23:43.976
ownership models. New pavilions will be

03:23:44.000 --> 03:23:46.936
designed for multi-use supporting

03:23:46.960 --> 03:23:49.335
various sports, community groups, and

03:23:49.359 --> 03:23:51.736
flexible spaces that meet changing

03:23:51.760 --> 03:23:54.760
needs. We need and desire safe,

03:23:55.279 --> 03:23:57.176
welcoming and female friendly

03:23:57.200 --> 03:23:59.736
environments to increase participation

03:23:59.760 --> 03:24:02.056
for women, girls and gender diverse

03:24:02.080 --> 03:24:05.080
people. We must ensure facilities are

03:24:05.439 --> 03:24:08.439
accessible to everyone regardless of of

03:24:08.479 --> 03:24:11.479
age or ability. They must be fit for

03:24:11.520 --> 03:24:13.496
purpose, have flexible multi-purpose

03:24:13.520 --> 03:24:16.520
spaces and just on that on those spaces,

03:24:17.040 --> 03:24:19.656
I believe that the proposed policy of

03:24:19.680 --> 03:24:22.680
100 to 250 m needs much more flexibility

03:24:24.479 --> 03:24:27.479
and should be increased to to 200 m

03:24:28.160 --> 03:24:30.936
where appropriate. If these rooms are

03:24:30.960 --> 03:24:33.415
going to be used by the community for

03:24:33.439 --> 03:24:36.215
for multi-purpose  activities, they

03:24:36.239 --> 03:24:38.616
must be bigger rooms than 150 square

03:24:38.640 --> 03:24:41.640
meters. Let's see what comes back during

03:24:41.920 --> 03:24:44.920
the consultation process. Um I think we

03:24:45.120 --> 03:24:46.856
should be also environmental

03:24:46.880 --> 03:24:48.776
sustainability adopting healthy by

03:24:48.800 --> 03:24:51.096
design principles and reducing energy

03:24:51.120 --> 03:24:53.976
usage. We need an updated policy that

03:24:54.000 --> 03:24:56.375
evaluates structural condition and end

03:24:56.399 --> 03:24:59.096
of life status, level of use, capacity

03:24:59.120 --> 03:25:01.656
for female participation, as I said,

03:25:01.680 --> 03:25:04.375
existing safety compliance and temporary

03:25:04.399 --> 03:25:06.696
arrangements during construction, which

03:25:06.720 --> 03:25:08.455
is  mentioned in the report and the

03:25:08.479 --> 03:25:10.455
policy. In the report, the officers are

03:25:10.479 --> 03:25:11.816
stating that the preferred delivery

03:25:11.840 --> 03:25:14.616
approach for future pavilions is  for

03:25:14.640 --> 03:25:16.696
modular construction. Although there is

03:25:16.720 --> 03:25:19.016
a rider that in some cases the

03:25:19.040 --> 03:25:21.096
traditional construction would seem more

03:25:21.120 --> 03:25:23.415
appropriate and I would support that.

03:25:23.439 --> 03:25:25.976
I've been in a few of these modular 

03:25:26.000 --> 03:25:29.000
pavilions  in Marunda and recently on

03:25:29.200 --> 03:25:31.656
Friday in one in Knox

03:25:31.680 --> 03:25:34.680
 and frankly that really impressed me

03:25:35.120 --> 03:25:37.896
as far as functionability and and um

03:25:37.920 --> 03:25:40.455
functionally yes they do but I I think

03:25:40.479 --> 03:25:43.479
we can do they they can we can do better

03:25:43.680 --> 03:25:45.816
um they are double story and they have

03:25:45.840 --> 03:25:47.896
been and of course this you need an

03:25:47.920 --> 03:25:50.375
elevator costwise it makes them more

03:25:50.399 --> 03:25:52.136
attractive and I can see that and that's

03:25:52.160 --> 03:25:55.016
fine. We should assess future pavilions

03:25:55.040 --> 03:25:57.656
on a case-by case basis. I also very

03:25:57.680 --> 03:25:59.016
much support the idea that that

03:25:59.040 --> 03:26:01.255
multi-story pavilions are an option. I

03:26:01.279 --> 03:26:03.415
would also put I would also put forward

03:26:03.439 --> 03:26:04.696
that the site constraints that would

03:26:04.720 --> 03:26:06.616
have multi-story pavilions probably due

03:26:06.640 --> 03:26:08.536
to the slope of the land should not just

03:26:08.560 --> 03:26:10.776
determine stories. There could be these

03:26:10.800 --> 03:26:13.335
modulate pavilions with multi-level even

03:26:13.359 --> 03:26:15.335
at ground reserves like new ones at

03:26:15.359 --> 03:26:17.335
Marunda and Nox are mostly in this

03:26:17.359 --> 03:26:19.816
double in in this double story  in

03:26:19.840 --> 03:26:22.056
construction and there costs are sort of

03:26:22.080 --> 03:26:24.536
3.2 million to 4.5 million. So they're

03:26:24.560 --> 03:26:26.696
quite reasonable and you would have to

03:26:26.720 --> 03:26:28.375
increase that somewhat due to the recent

03:26:28.399 --> 03:26:31.096
price increases.  the existing policy

03:26:31.120 --> 03:26:32.936
really only looks at council funding

03:26:32.960 --> 03:26:35.576
100%. And now we see that other levels

03:26:35.600 --> 03:26:37.016
of government are more willing to

03:26:37.040 --> 03:26:39.896
contribute hopefully more  and then

03:26:39.920 --> 03:26:41.736
we've had Box Hill and obviously East

03:26:41.760 --> 03:26:44.375
Burwood and I'll be pushing most state

03:26:44.399 --> 03:26:47.335
and federal MPs to look down the future

03:26:47.359 --> 03:26:50.359
 especially for in in  development

03:26:50.800 --> 03:26:53.800
for future pavilions. I  commend the

03:26:54.160 --> 03:26:56.295
recommendation for adoption. Um

03:26:56.319 --> 03:26:58.936
thank you councelor Ellen.

03:26:58.960 --> 03:27:00.536
Councelor Barker.

03:27:00.560 --> 03:27:03.560
Thanks May. Um, I won't add too much.

03:27:03.840 --> 03:27:06.840
This is putting this draft policy out

03:27:07.600 --> 03:27:10.375
for community consultation out to the

03:27:10.399 --> 03:27:12.136
people that use these facilities out to

03:27:12.160 --> 03:27:14.056
the community that probably know this

03:27:14.080 --> 03:27:15.896
better than we do. And I want to make a

03:27:15.920 --> 03:27:17.176
couple of points cuz I've got some

03:27:17.200 --> 03:27:19.896
concerns here. It's not necessarily

03:27:19.920 --> 03:27:21.656
evident to me what this policy is for.

03:27:21.680 --> 03:27:23.816
Is this to guide architects? Is this to

03:27:23.840 --> 03:27:26.840
um mediate count um club expectations?

03:27:28.399 --> 03:27:31.016
or is it just something that sits there?

03:27:31.040 --> 03:27:33.096
I'm not sure that's been articulated.

03:27:33.120 --> 03:27:35.576
The second point I want to make is that

03:27:35.600 --> 03:27:37.656
we we're starting to do some amazing

03:27:37.680 --> 03:27:40.455
things in this space and it's when we

03:27:40.479 --> 03:27:43.479
innovate and when we're imaginative that

03:27:44.560 --> 03:27:46.375
we deliver fantastic things and we've

03:27:46.399 --> 03:27:48.776
we're able to do that. But I'm not sure

03:27:48.800 --> 03:27:51.800
I see innovation or imagination or

03:27:51.920 --> 03:27:53.976
creativity anywhere in here. I do know

03:27:54.000 --> 03:27:56.776
that we've had pavilions with wave top

03:27:56.800 --> 03:27:59.800
roofs that look like horses in motion.

03:28:00.160 --> 03:28:02.536
I'm not sure that necessarily improves

03:28:02.560 --> 03:28:05.560
anyone's experience um of a facility.

03:28:06.000 --> 03:28:08.776
And we had one pavilion that was shaped

03:28:08.800 --> 03:28:11.496
like a a boomerang which I think which

03:28:11.520 --> 03:28:14.520
was um a boomerang which I think was a a

03:28:15.680 --> 03:28:18.680
an a hat nod to tip to reconciliation or

03:28:21.120 --> 03:28:23.496
something. But then I've seen things the

03:28:23.520 --> 03:28:25.736
things we did at Elgar Park took out the

03:28:25.760 --> 03:28:28.696
the timekeepers room made the absolutely

03:28:28.720 --> 03:28:30.776
made the facility an outdoor accessible

03:28:30.800 --> 03:28:33.016
toilet now become standard operating

03:28:33.040 --> 03:28:35.176
procedure not looking at the just for

03:28:35.200 --> 03:28:37.255
the sporting club but to activate the

03:28:37.279 --> 03:28:39.255
whole area and we've seen that in other

03:28:39.279 --> 03:28:40.856
areas as well what we've done at city

03:28:40.880 --> 03:28:43.880
oval now there was the AFL came along

03:28:44.160 --> 03:28:46.455
and said we need a home stats and away

03:28:46.479 --> 03:28:49.479
stats a broadcast this a TV that home no

03:28:50.880 --> 03:28:52.455
Jeff Kennet

03:28:52.479 --> 03:28:54.776
And what what an experience that was

03:28:54.800 --> 03:28:56.616
working with Jeff to think through the

03:28:56.640 --> 03:28:58.616
politics of that. These are now those

03:28:58.640 --> 03:29:00.856
community rooms for book club, for music

03:29:00.880 --> 03:29:03.880
tuition, for prayer group D. So the

03:29:04.080 --> 03:29:06.776
facilities used all year round. That's

03:29:06.800 --> 03:29:08.776
about being creative. That's about

03:29:08.800 --> 03:29:10.136
making these really compelling

03:29:10.160 --> 03:29:12.375
investment cases for people. And I'm not

03:29:12.399 --> 03:29:14.136
sure that that's there because I think

03:29:14.160 --> 03:29:16.856
that really boils down to our creativity

03:29:16.880 --> 03:29:19.255
and the creativity of the designers that

03:29:19.279 --> 03:29:21.896
we work with going forward. And I'm not

03:29:21.920 --> 03:29:24.776
sure that this policy necessarily sets

03:29:24.800 --> 03:29:27.096
that up. I'm not sure if it's intended

03:29:27.120 --> 03:29:29.816
to do that. So I look very much forward

03:29:29.840 --> 03:29:31.335
to hearing the feedback from others that

03:29:31.359 --> 03:29:33.335
know this far better than I do.

03:29:33.359 --> 03:29:34.856
Thank you, Council Barker. Would anyone

03:29:34.880 --> 03:29:35.896
else like to speak to the motion?

03:29:35.920 --> 03:29:37.576
I've got amendment. Um

03:29:37.600 --> 03:29:39.496
CouncilMayor Davenport, could that

03:29:39.520 --> 03:29:41.335
please be put up on the screen? Um so

03:29:41.359 --> 03:29:44.359
it's just on three points. One's on um

03:29:44.399 --> 03:29:47.399
delivery approach um  looking at

03:29:48.160 --> 03:29:50.295
modular build versus traditional.

03:29:50.319 --> 03:29:52.856
Second's about um compliance with

03:29:52.880 --> 03:29:55.880
national construction code rather than

03:29:55.920 --> 03:29:58.920
or in  rather than um environmental

03:29:59.920 --> 03:30:02.455
sustainability design. You have to do

03:30:02.479 --> 03:30:04.776
NCC anyway. And then two additional

03:30:04.800 --> 03:30:07.800
design principles.

03:30:08.160 --> 03:30:09.656
Councelor Allen, do you agree to these

03:30:09.680 --> 03:30:12.680
amendments? No.

03:30:13.200 --> 03:30:15.816
Um, councelor Barker, I assume you

03:30:15.840 --> 03:30:17.335
Oh, yeah.

03:30:17.359 --> 03:30:19.576
All right. Thank you. Um, we now go to

03:30:19.600 --> 03:30:22.600
debate. Could someone please second um

03:30:22.720 --> 03:30:24.856
councelor Davenport's amendment?

03:30:24.880 --> 03:30:25.976
Happy to second.

03:30:26.000 --> 03:30:29.000
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you 

03:30:30.000 --> 03:30:32.936
councelor Griffith for seconding um the

03:30:32.960 --> 03:30:35.816
amendment today.  look councilors I

03:30:35.840 --> 03:30:38.056
think  generally I look at the policy

03:30:38.080 --> 03:30:41.016
and and there needs to be some signaling

03:30:41.040 --> 03:30:42.856
that we need to make to the community

03:30:42.880 --> 03:30:45.335
when we put out a policy for community

03:30:45.359 --> 03:30:47.016
consultation.

03:30:47.040 --> 03:30:49.656
The first is a general feedback about

03:30:49.680 --> 03:30:52.295
the general desire in my view from what

03:30:52.319 --> 03:30:55.319
I get told that the level of space

03:30:57.200 --> 03:30:59.335
is more important than what a building

03:30:59.359 --> 03:31:02.136
looks like or how it's constructed. And

03:31:02.160 --> 03:31:04.856
that's the idea around design be around

03:31:04.880 --> 03:31:07.096
functional performance rather than

03:31:07.120 --> 03:31:09.656
architectural form.

03:31:09.680 --> 03:31:12.295
We have a limited amount of of of money

03:31:12.319 --> 03:31:14.856
and what we what the report has shown is

03:31:14.880 --> 03:31:17.880
that modular build has a lower cost um

03:31:18.960 --> 03:31:21.960
to build but also a much lower um

03:31:24.080 --> 03:31:27.080
interference cost and and that is the

03:31:27.359 --> 03:31:28.936
requirement to bring in temporary

03:31:28.960 --> 03:31:31.960
facilities and to disrupt and to disrupt

03:31:33.840 --> 03:31:35.816
community groups from using the facility

03:31:35.840 --> 03:31:37.896
because the build time is a lot shorter

03:31:37.920 --> 03:31:39.415
on site.

03:31:39.439 --> 03:31:42.439
and and so the additional proposal is

03:31:42.960 --> 03:31:45.960
not to  is that modular would be um

03:31:47.760 --> 03:31:50.760
preferred but it won't always be the

03:31:50.800 --> 03:31:53.335
case because the large elite facilities

03:31:53.359 --> 03:31:56.359
a traditional build is is is more um

03:31:56.880 --> 03:31:59.335
suited for that but for the one singular

03:31:59.359 --> 03:32:02.359
oval build a modular build either single

03:32:02.960 --> 03:32:05.176
or double story would suit the purpose

03:32:05.200 --> 03:32:07.576
just just fine. The third area is given

03:32:07.600 --> 03:32:09.896
that our facilities especially for a

03:32:09.920 --> 03:32:12.920
single oval sometimes a double oval is

03:32:13.439 --> 03:32:15.496
is used a certain proportion of the

03:32:15.520 --> 03:32:17.736
time. Now we talk about multi-use but if

03:32:17.760 --> 03:32:19.335
I look at all the pavilions that we

03:32:19.359 --> 03:32:22.359
build realistically they're not always

03:32:22.560 --> 03:32:25.560
used all you know 24/7 each day of the

03:32:25.840 --> 03:32:28.215
week. My view is that we go with a build

03:32:28.239 --> 03:32:30.136
that complies with the minimum which is

03:32:30.160 --> 03:32:32.936
a national construction code.

03:32:32.960 --> 03:32:35.496
um not worry about ESD given that

03:32:35.520 --> 03:32:38.520
they're not high energy utilizers anyway

03:32:38.560 --> 03:32:40.936
and instead put that money into a bigger

03:32:40.960 --> 03:32:43.816
facility that the that um clubs would

03:32:43.840 --> 03:32:46.840
utilize or build more facilities so so

03:32:47.760 --> 03:32:50.375
areas like Davy Lane that's got nothing

03:32:50.399 --> 03:32:53.016
can get their little little area for the

03:32:53.040 --> 03:32:54.936
drink bottles and the and the change

03:32:54.960 --> 03:32:57.736
room. Um

03:32:57.760 --> 03:32:59.415
yeah, like a satellite pavilion. Thank

03:32:59.439 --> 03:33:01.736
you, Councelor Allen. The the last area

03:33:01.760 --> 03:33:03.576
is around the delivery approach. It sort

03:33:03.600 --> 03:33:05.576
of follows on from from the principles

03:33:05.600 --> 03:33:08.536
before the way that section five reads.

03:33:08.560 --> 03:33:11.560
It's basically we might possibly go with

03:33:12.080 --> 03:33:15.016
modular, but it's only compar comparing

03:33:15.040 --> 03:33:17.656
like for like in terms of construction

03:33:17.680 --> 03:33:20.616
materials. Whereas when you build

03:33:20.640 --> 03:33:23.335
modular, you have a different a

03:33:23.359 --> 03:33:25.976
different build set. still meets all of

03:33:26.000 --> 03:33:27.576
the national construction code

03:33:27.600 --> 03:33:29.176
guidelines, but instead of building

03:33:29.200 --> 03:33:31.576
with, you know, heavy concrete, masonry,

03:33:31.600 --> 03:33:33.576
and those items, it is a different

03:33:33.600 --> 03:33:35.415
different build. So, it's um a little

03:33:35.439 --> 03:33:38.439
bit more lightweight, lower cost, and

03:33:40.560 --> 03:33:42.776
means that you can build bigger. So

03:33:42.800 --> 03:33:45.096
councilors, I think the amendment's all

03:33:45.120 --> 03:33:46.696
about

03:33:46.720 --> 03:33:49.720
um making some adjustments to signal to

03:33:50.239 --> 03:33:53.239
the community about the preference for

03:33:53.279 --> 03:33:56.279
modular over um over  traditional

03:33:58.560 --> 03:34:01.560
build. Um the functional performance

03:34:02.319 --> 03:34:04.455
is more important than architectural

03:34:04.479 --> 03:34:07.479
form and then the cost aspects there

03:34:07.600 --> 03:34:10.600
because clubs always tell me and

03:34:11.040 --> 03:34:13.736
community groups always tell me not

03:34:13.760 --> 03:34:16.616
enough storage space want bigger social

03:34:16.640 --> 03:34:19.576
rooms but we have a finite budget. The

03:34:19.600 --> 03:34:22.056
only le lever arms that we have to pull

03:34:22.080 --> 03:34:24.375
in my view is construction methodology.

03:34:24.399 --> 03:34:25.896
Now if members of the community come

03:34:25.920 --> 03:34:28.295
back and go no we want the traditional

03:34:28.319 --> 03:34:29.976
build. We want all these, you know, we

03:34:30.000 --> 03:34:31.976
want it to look like the waving mane of

03:34:32.000 --> 03:34:35.000
the of the of the horse. Like  if I

03:34:35.040 --> 03:34:37.255
remember I opened Ela Park, the first

03:34:37.279 --> 03:34:40.279
one that had the wavy thing and it at

03:34:40.720 --> 03:34:43.720
Bennett's wood, we got the oval oval

03:34:44.080 --> 03:34:47.080
one. Um you know, rather than that, it's

03:34:47.520 --> 03:34:49.496
more functional that fits our

03:34:49.520 --> 03:34:51.335
requirements of the community. That's

03:34:51.359 --> 03:34:53.255
all these amendments are seeking to do.

03:34:53.279 --> 03:34:54.616
Thank you.

03:34:54.640 --> 03:34:56.536
Thank you, councelor Gav Davenport.

03:34:56.560 --> 03:34:58.616
Councelor Griffith. Oh, thanksMayor.

03:34:58.640 --> 03:35:00.455
That gave me time to read this in detail

03:35:00.479 --> 03:35:02.776
as well as listening. Um the only the

03:35:02.800 --> 03:35:05.800
only

03:35:05.920 --> 03:35:08.920
we're not making a decision on

03:35:09.439 --> 03:35:11.335
the policy itself today going to

03:35:11.359 --> 03:35:13.896
community engagement. So I'm quite

03:35:13.920 --> 03:35:15.816
flexible to and receptive to the

03:35:15.840 --> 03:35:18.616
amendments that have been put so far.

03:35:18.640 --> 03:35:20.696
But perhaps with one exception, the

03:35:20.720 --> 03:35:23.720
environmentally sustainable design. I

03:35:23.760 --> 03:35:25.496
would have to look look into that in a

03:35:25.520 --> 03:35:28.520
bit more detail. Um, and I could do that

03:35:29.600 --> 03:35:31.896
during the community engagement period.

03:35:31.920 --> 03:35:34.856
So, I'm I'm speaking in favor of it and

03:35:34.880 --> 03:35:37.415
have nothing else to say.

03:35:37.439 --> 03:35:38.776
Thank you, Councelor Griffith. Would

03:35:38.800 --> 03:35:40.455
anyone else like to speak to amendment?

03:35:40.479 --> 03:35:41.255
Councelor Martin,

03:35:41.279 --> 03:35:42.616
a quick question. I was just going to

03:35:42.640 --> 03:35:44.776
ask the officers what the ramifications

03:35:44.800 --> 03:35:47.800
are of removing the ASD from our design

03:35:48.000 --> 03:35:51.000
principle six.

03:35:52.560 --> 03:35:55.560
Mr. White.

03:36:02.080 --> 03:36:05.080
U through you may having really just

03:36:05.200 --> 03:36:08.200
seen this tonight. Um it would mean that

03:36:08.319 --> 03:36:11.319
yeah we go back to base um methodology

03:36:11.680 --> 03:36:14.680
around what is um mandatory requirements

03:36:15.200 --> 03:36:17.656
with no additional

03:36:17.680 --> 03:36:20.375
extra elements that um might help comply

03:36:20.399 --> 03:36:22.776
with council's emissions reduction

03:36:22.800 --> 03:36:25.335
policies. Sorry. Thanks, ma'am.

03:36:25.359 --> 03:36:28.056
Thank you, Mr. Might. Um, Council

03:36:28.080 --> 03:36:31.080
Martin, did you wish to speak?

03:36:31.200 --> 03:36:33.096
Not at this stage. I'll wait. Thank you.

03:36:33.120 --> 03:36:34.455
Would anyone else like to speak to the

03:36:34.479 --> 03:36:34.856
amendment?

03:36:34.880 --> 03:36:36.616
Yeah, I have a question. Mr. White, if

03:36:36.640 --> 03:36:38.536
you could keep your steps up again if

03:36:38.560 --> 03:36:38.936
that's possible.

03:36:38.960 --> 03:36:40.375
Yes, Mr. White. Could you return to the

03:36:40.399 --> 03:36:41.096
lecton?

03:36:41.120 --> 03:36:43.176
, the question is regarding section

03:36:43.200 --> 03:36:46.136
five and how much effort would it be to

03:36:46.160 --> 03:36:48.136
give us a cost comparison? I like the

03:36:48.160 --> 03:36:51.160
idea of it, but how much additional 

03:36:51.359 --> 03:36:53.255
how ownorous would it be for officers to

03:36:53.279 --> 03:36:56.279
give us that information

03:37:02.319 --> 03:37:04.696
 through you may something that we

03:37:04.720 --> 03:37:05.976
would run through as part of the

03:37:06.000 --> 03:37:08.455
quantity surveying processes as part of

03:37:08.479 --> 03:37:11.479
the a pavilion development project. Um,

03:37:16.080 --> 03:37:19.080
and yeah, we'd have to price two models.

03:37:24.080 --> 03:37:27.080
Did you wish to speak, council gun?

03:37:28.560 --> 03:37:30.295
Thank you. Would anyone else like to

03:37:30.319 --> 03:37:31.335
speak to the amendment?

03:37:31.359 --> 03:37:32.696
Yes, ma'am.

03:37:32.720 --> 03:37:33.816
Councelor Stennet.

03:37:33.840 --> 03:37:36.136
Um, look, some of these ideas might have

03:37:36.160 --> 03:37:39.160
some merit. Um but I think

03:37:40.319 --> 03:37:42.375
at  you know nearly 11 o'clock at

03:37:42.399 --> 03:37:45.399
night um trying to um assess some of

03:37:45.520 --> 03:37:47.736
these things and on its merits it's a

03:37:47.760 --> 03:37:50.375
bit challenging. Um we probably need a

03:37:50.399 --> 03:37:53.399
bit more time information and I'm

03:37:53.840 --> 03:37:56.840
prefer to go with the council offic's um

03:37:56.880 --> 03:37:59.880
recommendation. Um and noting this is a

03:38:00.880 --> 03:38:03.880
draft and we may hear from our community

03:38:04.080 --> 03:38:06.776
um that these are important things to

03:38:06.800 --> 03:38:08.295
include

03:38:08.319 --> 03:38:11.176
um and we can always include them later.

03:38:11.200 --> 03:38:14.200
I I haven't got a an issue with um

03:38:15.439 --> 03:38:17.816
including them at a later stage. Um we

03:38:17.840 --> 03:38:20.375
we we know we've got draft even after

03:38:20.399 --> 03:38:23.399
we've got the endorsement um potentially

03:38:23.760 --> 03:38:25.656
including it afterwards when these

03:38:25.680 --> 03:38:28.375
documents aren't necessarily fixed in

03:38:28.399 --> 03:38:31.399
stone. We can adjust them um as we do

03:38:31.840 --> 03:38:34.840
with other plans um

03:38:35.680 --> 03:38:38.375
as as council might need. But I think

03:38:38.399 --> 03:38:41.399
tonight um just seeing this um trying to

03:38:41.760 --> 03:38:44.455
make a decision on the fly I think is to

03:38:44.479 --> 03:38:46.696
me for me um challenging. So, I'm

03:38:46.720 --> 03:38:49.335
probably not going to be able to um make

03:38:49.359 --> 03:38:51.896
a decision tonight and my default would

03:38:51.920 --> 03:38:54.920
be to resort or revert back to the

03:38:55.120 --> 03:38:57.255
council offices

03:38:57.279 --> 03:38:59.896
um

03:38:59.920 --> 03:39:02.136
option. So, um that's that's where I'm

03:39:02.160 --> 03:39:03.576
my position tonight. Thank you. Thanks,

03:39:03.600 --> 03:39:04.776
Maya.

03:39:04.800 --> 03:39:05.976
Thank you, Councelor Stennet. Would

03:39:06.000 --> 03:39:07.415
anyone else like to speak to the

03:39:07.439 --> 03:39:10.439
amendment? Councelor Cuts.

03:39:12.479 --> 03:39:15.479
Thank you,Mayor. I I do have an issue

03:39:16.560 --> 03:39:18.936
with section five because if we are

03:39:18.960 --> 03:39:20.936
going to be doing quantity surveying and

03:39:20.960 --> 03:39:23.960
doing a um a costing of of one modular

03:39:24.880 --> 03:39:26.776
and another one, you'd be looking at

03:39:26.800 --> 03:39:29.656
possibly two different builds entirely.

03:39:29.680 --> 03:39:31.656
So, you know, may a single story and

03:39:31.680 --> 03:39:33.576
then a double story. So, I'm not sure

03:39:33.600 --> 03:39:36.600
that's useful.  I don't support B at

03:39:36.800 --> 03:39:39.800
all. I do support that pavilion's design

03:39:40.399 --> 03:39:42.295
should prioritize functional performance

03:39:42.319 --> 03:39:44.696
over architectural form and I hear that

03:39:44.720 --> 03:39:47.176
as you do all the time and I'll take you

03:39:47.200 --> 03:39:49.496
to an example with Heatherdale Reserve.

03:39:49.520 --> 03:39:51.896
So it was 100 square meter only for the

03:39:51.920 --> 03:39:54.215
social rooms. It wasn't big enough. So

03:39:54.239 --> 03:39:57.239
it was councelor Barker and I largely I

03:39:57.760 --> 03:39:59.335
think and supported by I think it might

03:39:59.359 --> 03:40:01.176
have been the four of us from the last

03:40:01.200 --> 03:40:02.696
term. Councelor Davenport and councelor

03:40:02.720 --> 03:40:05.720
Stennet. We we made the suggestion that

03:40:06.720 --> 03:40:09.335
the  the change rooms which abued the

03:40:09.359 --> 03:40:12.359
social area should open up. So we had

03:40:12.399 --> 03:40:14.215
doors that opened up. Now I was there

03:40:14.239 --> 03:40:17.239
last night at the um the family the

03:40:17.279 --> 03:40:19.335
first family function of the um one of

03:40:19.359 --> 03:40:20.936
my clubs there, the football club down

03:40:20.960 --> 03:40:23.960
there and um it was that first one was

03:40:24.160 --> 03:40:25.816
that first one was open to allow

03:40:25.840 --> 03:40:27.976
everyone to get in for that first family

03:40:28.000 --> 03:40:30.295
night. Exactly the reason why we did

03:40:30.319 --> 03:40:33.255
that. So functional form is number one

03:40:33.279 --> 03:40:35.896
always. You can have your fancy rooms.

03:40:35.920 --> 03:40:37.736
We don't need that. People just want a

03:40:37.760 --> 03:40:40.056
building which is able to be moved

03:40:40.080 --> 03:40:42.696
around easily, is able to accommodate

03:40:42.720 --> 03:40:44.215
the number of people they have there.

03:40:44.239 --> 03:40:46.455
That is what they want. So I would hope

03:40:46.479 --> 03:40:49.016
that officers would have that as as a

03:40:49.040 --> 03:40:52.040
key priority anyway. So for me, it's

03:40:52.800 --> 03:40:54.536
about hearing from our community. What

03:40:54.560 --> 03:40:56.856
do they want us? Do they agree with

03:40:56.880 --> 03:40:58.696
this? Let them say what they want to

03:40:58.720 --> 03:41:00.295
say, but I won't be supporting this.

03:41:00.319 --> 03:41:01.736
Thank you.

03:41:01.760 --> 03:41:03.415
Thank you, councelor Cuts. Would anyone

03:41:03.439 --> 03:41:04.616
else like to speak to the motion?

03:41:04.640 --> 03:41:06.536
I have a question,Mayor.

03:41:06.560 --> 03:41:09.016
Um, my question is just a governance

03:41:09.040 --> 03:41:12.040
one. Is um C2 admissible as an amendment

03:41:13.200 --> 03:41:15.896
given is actually in the policy already

03:41:15.920 --> 03:41:18.920
and I can quote the section if required.

03:41:26.000 --> 03:41:28.455
 through you,Mayor. It would be

03:41:28.479 --> 03:41:30.136
unreasonable to expect an amendment to

03:41:30.160 --> 03:41:31.976
include something that's already in a

03:41:32.000 --> 03:41:34.936
policy  or in the draft. So, if

03:41:34.960 --> 03:41:36.856
councelor Simpson is correct, it's

03:41:36.880 --> 03:41:39.880
unnecessary and assuming the council

03:41:40.560 --> 03:41:43.560
Davenport would be aware of that. So, is

03:41:43.920 --> 03:41:44.616
there any

03:41:44.640 --> 03:41:45.496
it's under section?

03:41:45.520 --> 03:41:47.255
No, no, my question is sorry, I

03:41:47.279 --> 03:41:48.375
shouldn't be asking questions, but

03:41:48.399 --> 03:41:50.696
really back to council Davenport.

03:41:50.720 --> 03:41:52.375
Is he aware that it's in the policy

03:41:52.399 --> 03:41:53.255
already?

03:41:53.279 --> 03:41:55.576
 yes, but I wanted it to be a design

03:41:55.600 --> 03:41:58.136
principle like a top level and not

03:41:58.160 --> 03:42:00.856
buried a few layers down.

03:42:00.880 --> 03:42:03.176
So the answer then would be is that 

03:42:03.200 --> 03:42:06.200
he's aware of it and that  it wants to

03:42:06.479 --> 03:42:08.536
I assume to make it a higher priority in

03:42:08.560 --> 03:42:10.375
the in the consideration of the policy.

03:42:10.399 --> 03:42:13.096
So  it could it does form part of the

03:42:13.120 --> 03:42:14.136
amendment.

03:42:14.160 --> 03:42:15.976
Thank you. C Mr. McMillan, did you have

03:42:16.000 --> 03:42:18.375
wish to speak to the um amendment?

03:42:18.399 --> 03:42:19.816
Councelor Simpson. Yes,Mayor, and thank

03:42:19.840 --> 03:42:21.976
you for that clarification. Um, Mr.

03:42:22.000 --> 03:42:24.056
McMillan and councelor Davenport. Um, I

03:42:24.080 --> 03:42:25.255
think a lot of the arguments have

03:42:25.279 --> 03:42:27.576
already been made, councilors. Um,

03:42:27.600 --> 03:42:29.096
section five, we don't really know the

03:42:29.120 --> 03:42:32.120
cost impacts. , point A, point B, ,

03:42:33.120 --> 03:42:34.455
we should support environmentally

03:42:34.479 --> 03:42:36.455
sustainable design as it results in

03:42:36.479 --> 03:42:38.295
buildings that have things like reduced

03:42:38.319 --> 03:42:40.776
energy cost, reduced water cost, etc.

03:42:40.800 --> 03:42:43.800
Um, which we should be supporting. Um,

03:42:44.080 --> 03:42:46.215
as councelor cut said, we should support

03:42:46.239 --> 03:42:47.415
 functional performance over

03:42:47.439 --> 03:42:49.656
architectural form. And given Mr.

03:42:49.680 --> 03:42:51.176
McMillan's answer, I have no problem

03:42:51.200 --> 03:42:54.200
with C2 either.

03:42:54.479 --> 03:42:55.976
Oh, sorry. May and I request that we

03:42:56.000 --> 03:42:58.536
vote on these in parts.

03:42:58.560 --> 03:43:00.136
I'll take into consideration your

03:43:00.160 --> 03:43:01.736
request, councelor Simpson.

03:43:01.760 --> 03:43:02.215
Yes.

03:43:02.239 --> 03:43:04.536
Would anyone else like to speak to the

03:43:04.560 --> 03:43:06.776
amendment? Councelor M.

03:43:06.800 --> 03:43:08.455
Yes,Mayor. Um, yeah, I think designing

03:43:08.479 --> 03:43:11.479
in parts is wise. Um, in terms of part

03:43:11.760 --> 03:43:14.536
A, I I like the premise behind that. I

03:43:14.560 --> 03:43:17.560
think um I'm not sure we need to cost

03:43:18.160 --> 03:43:21.160
every construction method um for each

03:43:22.000 --> 03:43:24.856
project, but but we but we should be

03:43:24.880 --> 03:43:25.976
looking at different construction

03:43:26.000 --> 03:43:29.000
methods for for for the project. So like

03:43:29.120 --> 03:43:31.896
for example um you know printing

03:43:31.920 --> 03:43:34.215
technology for example. But um but yeah

03:43:34.239 --> 03:43:36.295
I come back to the premise of function

03:43:36.319 --> 03:43:39.255
first. um the build there's many

03:43:39.279 --> 03:43:41.896
techniques and and and yeah architecture

03:43:41.920 --> 03:43:43.335
shouldn't be at the top but it should

03:43:43.359 --> 03:43:44.936
you know we want to design buildings

03:43:44.960 --> 03:43:46.136
that look half good we don't need the

03:43:46.160 --> 03:43:49.160
wavy roofs I agree but we need um and

03:43:50.160 --> 03:43:53.160
yeah so in terms of um design part B I I

03:43:54.239 --> 03:43:56.696
sort of I do support the um ESD I think

03:43:56.720 --> 03:43:59.720
we should support that um yeah and again

03:43:59.920 --> 03:44:01.656
coming down to C so part one support

03:44:01.680 --> 03:44:04.680
that and um part two well it just as

03:44:06.239 --> 03:44:07.896
long as we get that function. I think

03:44:07.920 --> 03:44:10.920
that's important. So, thank you,Mayor.

03:44:11.120 --> 03:44:12.696
Thank you, Council Martin. Would anyone

03:44:12.720 --> 03:44:15.016
else like to speak to the amendment?

03:44:15.040 --> 03:44:15.816
Councelor Allen.

03:44:15.840 --> 03:44:17.656
Yes. Thank you, Madam I won't be

03:44:17.680 --> 03:44:20.680
supporting the amendment. I I'm I'm just

03:44:20.960 --> 03:44:22.616
It concerns me and look, I can

03:44:22.640 --> 03:44:23.896
understand where Council Devport's

03:44:23.920 --> 03:44:25.496
coming from and I and I appreciate that

03:44:25.520 --> 03:44:27.576
and I respect his point of view. I just

03:44:27.600 --> 03:44:30.600
don't share it. um the what with section

03:44:31.760 --> 03:44:34.696
five and just having the comparison what

03:44:34.720 --> 03:44:36.776
would tend to happen obviously we have

03:44:36.800 --> 03:44:39.800
to you doubling up on on on the costs

03:44:40.479 --> 03:44:43.479
which concerns me as well but then you

03:44:44.080 --> 03:44:47.080
know by reading the report that

03:44:47.359 --> 03:44:49.175
obviously the modular would always have

03:44:49.199 --> 03:44:51.816
come out on top as far as  less

03:44:51.840 --> 03:44:54.840
expensive you know and I'd be and it' be

03:44:56.479 --> 03:44:58.375
very and I I don't think I'd be are

03:44:58.399 --> 03:45:00.776
wrong on that. So therefore therefore we

03:45:00.800 --> 03:45:03.800
just go for modular and I don't think

03:45:04.880 --> 03:45:07.496
that that that stands too restrictive to

03:45:07.520 --> 03:45:10.056
me and we just go for the cheapy

03:45:10.080 --> 03:45:13.080
version. Um and that may be that may be

03:45:13.120 --> 03:45:15.255
the case when there's not a lot of money

03:45:15.279 --> 03:45:17.816
for a particular project. But if we're,

03:45:17.840 --> 03:45:19.896
as I said, a lot of our projects that

03:45:19.920 --> 03:45:21.576
we're going, you know, we're going for

03:45:21.600 --> 03:45:23.415
trying to get some joint funding and all

03:45:23.439 --> 03:45:26.439
that sort of stuff. Um, which is good.

03:45:26.800 --> 03:45:28.375
And I just don't, you know, if if we've

03:45:28.399 --> 03:45:31.399
got if we've got the the the amount for

03:45:32.479 --> 03:45:34.455
the  the pavilions, have got the

03:45:34.479 --> 03:45:36.696
bigger amount like I'm going to be very

03:45:36.720 --> 03:45:38.536
parochial and I don't make any apologies

03:45:38.560 --> 03:45:41.175
about that. Sorry Park. Um, you know,

03:45:41.199 --> 03:45:42.856
we're looking at 6.6. If we get another

03:45:42.880 --> 03:45:45.880
6.6, there we are. There's 1213. Now

03:45:46.000 --> 03:45:48.455
that with that particular one, you know,

03:45:48.479 --> 03:45:49.896
you'd be looking at a more traditional

03:45:49.920 --> 03:45:52.375
bill possibly. Or if you're going to go

03:45:52.399 --> 03:45:55.016
modular, well, you go Ubute, I suppose,

03:45:55.040 --> 03:45:56.856
, and get a fantastic cuz it'll it'll

03:45:56.880 --> 03:45:58.936
it'll cuz the cost will be I don't know.

03:45:58.960 --> 03:46:01.736
I I can't compare cuz I'm not, you know,

03:46:01.760 --> 03:46:03.335
we need professionals to give us a

03:46:03.359 --> 03:46:06.359
comparison between the two. But I I just

03:46:07.040 --> 03:46:09.335
it's locking us in too much. And I I

03:46:09.359 --> 03:46:10.856
think that's that that sounds too

03:46:10.880 --> 03:46:13.880
restrictive depending on the project,

03:46:14.000 --> 03:46:16.696
project by project. um it should be

03:46:16.720 --> 03:46:19.720
assessed on each one.  if modular is

03:46:20.479 --> 03:46:23.479
the way to go um and that the particular

03:46:24.160 --> 03:46:26.536
groups or and the community are quite

03:46:26.560 --> 03:46:29.096
happy with that, okay, let's go for it.

03:46:29.120 --> 03:46:31.096
Um I I just don't want to be restricted

03:46:31.120 --> 03:46:33.255
into only using modular or

03:46:33.279 --> 03:46:35.496
pre-fabricated construction when in a

03:46:35.520 --> 03:46:37.175
traditional but when a traditional one

03:46:37.199 --> 03:46:39.096
would suffice depending on how much

03:46:39.120 --> 03:46:42.120
funding we we have got. um you know it

03:46:43.359 --> 03:46:46.359
 it I think it it once I said it it's

03:46:46.720 --> 03:46:47.976
going out to the community let's see

03:46:48.000 --> 03:46:51.000
what comes back and  and you know we

03:46:51.359 --> 03:46:53.335
will take assess it I think we should be

03:46:53.359 --> 03:46:56.359
assessing case by case madame may so I I

03:46:56.720 --> 03:46:58.455
won't be supporting this 

03:46:58.479 --> 03:47:00.056
recommendation even though I appreciate

03:47:00.080 --> 03:47:02.295
it thank you

03:47:02.319 --> 03:47:05.319
thank you councelor Allan would anyone

03:47:05.359 --> 03:47:08.359
else like to speak to the amendment

03:47:08.479 --> 03:47:10.136
I've now decided that we'll vote in

03:47:10.160 --> 03:47:13.160
parts on this amendment part A, B and C.

03:47:14.479 --> 03:47:16.056
And now because there is no right of

03:47:16.080 --> 03:47:18.295
reply, you I will go straight to the

03:47:18.319 --> 03:47:21.319
vote. So um those in favor on part A,

03:47:24.160 --> 03:47:26.536
please raise your hands.

03:47:26.560 --> 03:47:28.455
Councelor Griffith, Councelor Gun,

03:47:28.479 --> 03:47:30.856
Councelor Davenport, and Councelor

03:47:30.880 --> 03:47:33.880
Barker. Those against, councelor Allen,

03:47:34.319 --> 03:47:36.295
councelor Wella, councelor Simpson,

03:47:36.319 --> 03:47:38.936
councelor Langford, councelor Stennet,

03:47:38.960 --> 03:47:41.960
councelor cuts, and councelor Martin. 

03:47:42.080 --> 03:47:45.016
the motion is not carried for section A,

03:47:45.040 --> 03:47:47.335
it's lost.

03:47:47.359 --> 03:47:49.896
Section B.

03:47:49.920 --> 03:47:52.920
Those who are in favor of section B.

03:47:55.520 --> 03:47:57.175
No, don't try and fool me. Councelor

03:47:57.199 --> 03:47:59.496
Barker, Councelor Davenport, and

03:47:59.520 --> 03:48:02.520
Councelor Barker. Those against.

03:48:02.720 --> 03:48:04.936
Councelor Allen, Councelor Weller,

03:48:04.960 --> 03:48:06.696
Councelor Griffith, Councelor Gun,

03:48:06.720 --> 03:48:09.016
Councelor Simpson, Councelor Langford,

03:48:09.040 --> 03:48:11.335
Councelor Stemit, Councelor Cuts, and

03:48:11.359 --> 03:48:13.415
Councelor Martin. The motion is lost.

03:48:13.439 --> 03:48:16.439
Counsel  part C.

03:48:17.520 --> 03:48:20.056
Those who are in favor of part C being

03:48:20.080 --> 03:48:22.136
included, part Councelor Griffith,

03:48:22.160 --> 03:48:25.160
councelor Gun, Councelor Davenport,

03:48:25.680 --> 03:48:28.680
Councelor Simpson, Councelor Stennet.

03:48:29.359 --> 03:48:31.656
Those against. Councelor Allen,

03:48:31.680 --> 03:48:34.375
councelor Wella, councelor Langford,

03:48:34.399 --> 03:48:37.399
councelor Barker, councelor cuts and

03:48:37.840 --> 03:48:39.496
councelor

03:48:39.520 --> 03:48:40.136
man

03:48:40.160 --> 03:48:43.160
division.

03:48:43.439 --> 03:48:46.439
Those for the include for the part C,

03:48:48.160 --> 03:48:50.136
please raise your hands. Councelor

03:48:50.160 --> 03:48:52.696
Griffith, councelor Gun, Councelor

03:48:52.720 --> 03:48:55.720
Davenport, Councelor Simpson, Councelor

03:48:56.319 --> 03:48:59.319
Stennet, Councelor Cuts. Those against.

03:48:59.760 --> 03:49:02.696
Councelor Allen, Councelor Willer,

03:49:02.720 --> 03:49:04.215
Councelor

03:49:04.239 --> 03:49:06.776
Langford, Councelor Barker, and

03:49:06.800 --> 03:49:09.800
Councelor Martin. Two. The motion is

03:49:10.880 --> 03:49:13.880
carried.

03:49:18.399 --> 03:49:21.335
The original motion with the amendment.

03:49:21.359 --> 03:49:23.736
Would anyone else like to speak to the

03:49:23.760 --> 03:49:25.016
this motion?

03:49:25.040 --> 03:49:26.776
, I'd like to put the motion.Mayor,

03:49:26.800 --> 03:49:29.175
please. I now put the motion. Those in

03:49:29.199 --> 03:49:31.816
support of the motion, please raise your

03:49:31.840 --> 03:49:34.136
hands.

03:49:34.160 --> 03:49:35.656
Mayor, do you need a second?

03:49:35.680 --> 03:49:37.415
Oh, sorry.

03:49:37.439 --> 03:49:39.096
Um, would someone second? I'm happy to

03:49:39.120 --> 03:49:39.576
second.

03:49:39.600 --> 03:49:40.936
Thank you, councelor Dennett. I'm

03:49:40.960 --> 03:49:43.960
getting a bit tired.

03:49:44.160 --> 03:49:47.096
We now are going to vote on the vote on

03:49:47.120 --> 03:49:49.335
the put motion. Those in favor?

03:49:49.359 --> 03:49:51.656
Councilors Griffith, Councelor Gun,

03:49:51.680 --> 03:49:53.816
Councelor Davenport, Councelor Simpson,

03:49:53.840 --> 03:49:55.896
Councelor Langford, Councelor Barker,

03:49:55.920 --> 03:49:57.736
Councelor Stennet, and Councelor Cuts,

03:49:57.760 --> 03:50:00.295
and Councelor Martin. Those against,

03:50:00.319 --> 03:50:02.375
Councelor Allen and Councelor Weller.

03:50:02.399 --> 03:50:04.776
The put motion is carried. We will now

03:50:04.800 --> 03:50:07.800
vote on the motion. Those in favor

03:50:10.800 --> 03:50:13.800
carried unanimously.

03:50:18.160 --> 03:50:20.936
We now move to item 10.10,

03:50:20.960 --> 03:50:22.536
audit and risk committee by annual

03:50:22.560 --> 03:50:25.560
report October 2025 to March 2026. Could

03:50:27.520 --> 03:50:28.856
I have a mover?

03:50:28.880 --> 03:50:30.776
I'd be thrilled to move,Mayor.

03:50:30.800 --> 03:50:33.800
Councelor Dam Griffith.

03:50:34.080 --> 03:50:34.936
Could I have a second?

03:50:34.960 --> 03:50:36.056
Happy to second me.

03:50:36.080 --> 03:50:37.816
Thank you, Councelor Gun. Councelor

03:50:37.840 --> 03:50:40.056
Griffith,

03:50:40.080 --> 03:50:41.576
this is just a noting report,

03:50:41.600 --> 03:50:44.600
counselors, and there was no um no

03:50:44.880 --> 03:50:47.096
high-risisk railing finded. That's the

03:50:47.120 --> 03:50:49.255
that's the highlight. There were eight

03:50:49.279 --> 03:50:52.279
findings reported across

03:50:52.399 --> 03:50:54.776
um two reports, review of cyber, always

03:50:54.800 --> 03:50:56.616
difficult to keep up with cyber issues

03:50:56.640 --> 03:50:59.016
in a review of capital works programs.

03:50:59.040 --> 03:51:01.096
Um these are always quite extensive

03:51:01.120 --> 03:51:02.696
reports, but I'm sure you've already

03:51:02.720 --> 03:51:04.776
read them in detail. I'll use my right

03:51:04.800 --> 03:51:06.696
of replyMayor if required for further

03:51:06.720 --> 03:51:07.496
comment.

03:51:07.520 --> 03:51:09.096
Thank you councelor Griffith. Councelor

03:51:09.120 --> 03:51:09.576
Gun.

03:51:09.600 --> 03:51:10.696
Nothing further to add.

03:51:10.720 --> 03:51:12.375
Would anyone like to speak to this

03:51:12.399 --> 03:51:14.295
motion?

03:51:14.319 --> 03:51:15.736
Given that no one's speaking to the

03:51:15.760 --> 03:51:18.760
motion, I now ask you to vote. Those in

03:51:19.120 --> 03:51:22.120
favor unanimously passed.

03:51:27.760 --> 03:51:30.536
Mayor to note that council Martin was

03:51:30.560 --> 03:51:32.056
not

03:51:32.080 --> 03:51:35.080
unanimous.

03:51:36.319 --> 03:51:38.375
It was noted that he wasn't present. So

03:51:38.399 --> 03:51:39.896
that's fine.

03:51:39.920 --> 03:51:42.920
Um councilors, item 10.11. We're nearly

03:51:43.279 --> 03:51:45.496
getting to the end of the meeting.

03:51:45.520 --> 03:51:47.096
Records of informal meetings of

03:51:47.120 --> 03:51:49.175
counselors. Could I have a counselor

03:51:49.199 --> 03:51:50.056
move the item?

03:51:50.080 --> 03:51:51.175
Happy to move,Mayor.

03:51:51.199 --> 03:51:53.016
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Is there a

03:51:53.040 --> 03:51:53.816
seconder?

03:51:53.840 --> 03:51:55.255
Happy to second,Mayor. Thank you,

03:51:55.279 --> 03:51:56.776
Council Weller. Councelor Simpson.

03:51:56.800 --> 03:51:58.295
, nothing to add,Mayor.

03:51:58.319 --> 03:51:59.255
Council Weller,

03:51:59.279 --> 03:52:00.776
nothing further to add,Mayor.

03:52:00.800 --> 03:52:03.656
Are there any further speakers?

03:52:03.680 --> 03:52:05.415
Given that there are no speakers, I will

03:52:05.439 --> 03:52:07.496
now put the motion. Please put your

03:52:07.520 --> 03:52:10.520
hands up. If you're in favor, councel,

03:52:13.040 --> 03:52:15.016
councelor Allen, Councelor Weller,

03:52:15.040 --> 03:52:17.576
Councelor Griffith, Councelor Gun, I

03:52:17.600 --> 03:52:19.016
think it's unanimous. Thank you very

03:52:19.040 --> 03:52:21.335
much. You were walking in, councelor

03:52:21.359 --> 03:52:24.359
Martin, and voting. I didn't realize.

03:52:25.920 --> 03:52:28.920
Councilors, item 11.1, councelor,

03:52:29.520 --> 03:52:32.520
delegate and conference seminar reports.

03:52:33.520 --> 03:52:35.816
I will now commence with these reports.

03:52:35.840 --> 03:52:38.696
I'm not going to read the little pre

03:52:38.720 --> 03:52:41.720
precursor bit. So, councelor, deputy

03:52:41.920 --> 03:52:43.175
mayor, councelor Simpson, do you have

03:52:43.199 --> 03:52:43.976
anything to report?

03:52:44.000 --> 03:52:45.576
, yes,Mayor. Very quickly, on the

03:52:45.600 --> 03:52:47.175
15th of April this month, along with

03:52:47.199 --> 03:52:48.936
councelor Stennet, I attended the April

03:52:48.960 --> 03:52:49.896
meeting of the environment

03:52:49.920 --> 03:52:52.455
sustainability advisory committee. 

03:52:52.479 --> 03:52:54.696
topics discussed include implementation

03:52:54.720 --> 03:52:57.415
of the open space strategy SO1 and the

03:52:57.439 --> 03:52:59.335
recent purchase by council Mont Albert

03:52:59.359 --> 03:53:00.776
for open space.

03:53:00.800 --> 03:53:02.215
Thank you councelor Simpson. Councelor

03:53:02.239 --> 03:53:03.656
Davenport,

03:53:03.680 --> 03:53:04.856
no report.

03:53:04.880 --> 03:53:05.656
Councelor Gun,

03:53:05.680 --> 03:53:06.455
no report.

03:53:06.479 --> 03:53:07.335
Councelor Griffith,

03:53:07.359 --> 03:53:08.136
no report.

03:53:08.160 --> 03:53:09.016
Councelor Weller,

03:53:09.040 --> 03:53:10.295
no report.

03:53:10.319 --> 03:53:11.255
Council Allen,

03:53:11.279 --> 03:53:12.856
no report, madam.

03:53:12.880 --> 03:53:14.215
Councelor Martin,

03:53:14.239 --> 03:53:15.255
I have two reports.

03:53:15.279 --> 03:53:17.415
Oh.

03:53:17.439 --> 03:53:19.255
Whitehorse Business Group board meeting

03:53:19.279 --> 03:53:21.175
 on the Thursday the 9th of April.

03:53:21.199 --> 03:53:23.415
Yeah. and also the safety new safety

03:53:23.439 --> 03:53:25.096
committee meeting held on the 31st of

03:53:25.120 --> 03:53:26.936
March. But I'll let councelor cuts take

03:53:26.960 --> 03:53:28.375
us through that one. Thank you,Mayor.

03:53:28.399 --> 03:53:30.215
Councelor Cuts,

03:53:30.239 --> 03:53:32.696
as councelor Martin  stated, the first

03:53:32.720 --> 03:53:34.776
meeting ever of the new community safety

03:53:34.800 --> 03:53:37.096
committee  was held on Tuesday the

03:53:37.120 --> 03:53:39.736
31st of March.  we've got a great

03:53:39.760 --> 03:53:42.295
group of people in attendance.  we've

03:53:42.319 --> 03:53:45.096
got um Department of Families Fairness

03:53:45.120 --> 03:53:48.120
and Housing,  a a Rotary Club member,

03:53:48.720 --> 03:53:50.536
a representative for the Eastern Access

03:53:50.560 --> 03:53:53.016
Community Health, Victoria Police, Asian

03:53:53.040 --> 03:53:55.255
Business Association of White Crimes

03:53:55.279 --> 03:53:58.279
Stoppers, Eastern Health, and also a a

03:53:58.800 --> 03:54:00.936
community rep who is a previous

03:54:00.960 --> 03:54:03.576
principal. So, a really diverse great

03:54:03.600 --> 03:54:06.600
group of people  across Whitehorse.

03:54:06.720 --> 03:54:09.335
and we discussed the um the community

03:54:09.359 --> 03:54:11.255
safety plan that came to councilors some

03:54:11.279 --> 03:54:14.279
time ago um and that was the main main

03:54:14.399 --> 03:54:16.056
focus of the group getting to know each

03:54:16.080 --> 03:54:17.576
other as well. Thank you. Yeah, that's

03:54:17.600 --> 03:54:17.896
awesome.

03:54:17.920 --> 03:54:19.816
Council cuts. Thank you very much.

03:54:19.840 --> 03:54:21.175
Councelor Stennet.

03:54:21.199 --> 03:54:23.976
 thank you. I also attended the um

03:54:24.000 --> 03:54:25.816
environment and sustainability advisory

03:54:25.840 --> 03:54:28.215
committee on the 15th of April. Um we 

03:54:28.239 --> 03:54:29.816
received an update on the White House

03:54:29.840 --> 03:54:32.840
open space strategy um and also

03:54:33.439 --> 03:54:35.335
discussed strengthening transparency

03:54:35.359 --> 03:54:36.616
around tree protection including

03:54:36.640 --> 03:54:38.455
council's work to public tree removal

03:54:38.479 --> 03:54:41.479
finds on our website.  key highlight

03:54:41.680 --> 03:54:43.415
was council's continued investment in

03:54:43.439 --> 03:54:45.656
open space through our land acquisitions

03:54:45.680 --> 03:54:48.375
converting to public open space. Um the

03:54:48.399 --> 03:54:50.455
committee really found that um essential

03:54:50.479 --> 03:54:52.455
critical  as population growth

03:54:52.479 --> 03:54:54.856
increases increasing. Um and they also

03:54:54.880 --> 03:54:57.255
talked about how um what they'd like to

03:54:57.279 --> 03:55:00.279
see is um more defined um corridors

03:55:00.720 --> 03:55:02.295
created through that open space

03:55:02.319 --> 03:55:04.056
acquisition and actually creating these

03:55:04.080 --> 03:55:06.696
sort of um opportunities of um

03:55:06.720 --> 03:55:09.016
purchasing um to actually create these

03:55:09.040 --> 03:55:11.415
sort of biodiversity and and also

03:55:11.439 --> 03:55:13.415
transport corridors for active

03:55:13.439 --> 03:55:16.439
transport. Um the committee also noted

03:55:16.880 --> 03:55:19.096
the recruitment has been extended to the

03:55:19.120 --> 03:55:20.856
22nd of April for the new committee. So

03:55:20.880 --> 03:55:23.880
we've got two days left. Um members are

03:55:23.920 --> 03:55:25.496
encouraged to promote the the

03:55:25.520 --> 03:55:26.936
opportunity to strengthen community

03:55:26.960 --> 03:55:29.175
representation and I'd like to thank and

03:55:29.199 --> 03:55:31.415
acknowledge the outgoing u members for

03:55:31.439 --> 03:55:33.415
their valued contributions.

03:55:33.439 --> 03:55:35.016
Thank you councelor Stennet. Councelor

03:55:35.040 --> 03:55:35.656
Barker

03:55:35.680 --> 03:55:36.696
report

03:55:36.720 --> 03:55:39.016
and I also attended on the 9th of the

03:55:39.040 --> 03:55:40.856
4th the Whitehorse Business Group of

03:55:40.880 --> 03:55:42.455
which a highlight was the profit that

03:55:42.479 --> 03:55:44.136
they made at the Whitehorse business

03:55:44.160 --> 03:55:46.936
group awards night.

03:55:46.960 --> 03:55:49.415
Councils I now seek a motion to receive

03:55:49.439 --> 03:55:51.335
and note these reports. Would someone

03:55:51.359 --> 03:55:51.816
please move?

03:55:51.840 --> 03:55:52.696
Happy to move.Mayor,

03:55:52.720 --> 03:55:54.215
thank you councelor Cuts and second.

03:55:54.239 --> 03:55:55.335
Happy to second.Mayor,

03:55:55.359 --> 03:55:57.016
thank you councelor Simpson. I now put

03:55:57.040 --> 03:55:58.776
the motion.

03:55:58.800 --> 03:56:00.696
Please keep your hands up. It's now

03:56:00.720 --> 03:56:03.720
passed unanimously. Thank you.

03:56:04.239 --> 03:56:06.136
There are no confidential reports this

03:56:06.160 --> 03:56:09.096
evening. And item 13 is the close of the

03:56:09.120 --> 03:56:10.616
meeting. Before we close this meeting, I

03:56:10.640 --> 03:56:12.136
would like to take the opportunity to

03:56:12.160 --> 03:56:13.736
encourage everyone to get involved with

03:56:13.760 --> 03:56:15.656
some of our many exciting upcoming

03:56:15.680 --> 03:56:18.375
community events. Tonight we endorse the

03:56:18.399 --> 03:56:21.255
proposed 2026 27 budget for community

03:56:21.279 --> 03:56:24.279
consultation which opens this Wednesday.

03:56:24.399 --> 03:56:26.215
Residents can share their feedback via

03:56:26.239 --> 03:56:28.375
your say at a pop-up session in Box Hill,

03:56:28.399 --> 03:56:31.016
Nanawading, Mont Albert or Mitchum and

03:56:31.040 --> 03:56:32.455
the dates and details are on the

03:56:32.479 --> 03:56:34.696
website. Consultation is open until the

03:56:34.720 --> 03:56:37.096
10th of May and I encourage everyone to

03:56:37.120 --> 03:56:39.736
have their say. And finally, on Saturday

03:56:39.760 --> 03:56:41.976
the 25th of April, counselors will join

03:56:42.000 --> 03:56:44.375
the community to honor our veterans on

03:56:44.399 --> 03:56:47.399
Anzac Day. With services being held

03:56:47.600 --> 03:56:49.496
across White House, I encourage everyone

03:56:49.520 --> 03:56:51.736
to attend a local service and take a

03:56:51.760 --> 03:56:54.136
moment to reflect the service of our

03:56:54.160 --> 03:56:57.160
forces and other people. The next

03:56:57.359 --> 03:56:59.415
ordinary meeting of council, it will be

03:56:59.439 --> 03:57:02.439
held on the 11th of May, Monday the 11th

03:57:02.479 --> 03:57:05.255
of May, 2026. And I now close this

03:57:05.279 --> 03:57:08.279
meeting at 11:04 p.m. and 44 seconds.

03:57:09.840 --> 03:57:11.335
Enjoy the rest of your evening. Good

03:57:11.359 --> 03:57:14.359
night.