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Good evening everyone. I'm councselor

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Kirsten Langford, Mayor of Whitehorse

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City Council, and I welcome all who have

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joined us for this council meeting both

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in person and online. This May, we

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recognize and thank the nurses,

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midwives, and volunteers who care for

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and support our community every day. We

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acknowledge the international day of the

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midwife, international nurses day and

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national volunteer work and thank

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everyone who helps make Whitehorse a

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caring and connected community. Now for

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be sorry as visible

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as a visible thank you Box Hill Town Hall

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will light up red on the 22nd and the

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23rd of May. Now for a bit of

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housekeeping. Council live streams

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council meetings and while all care is

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taken to maintain privacy, some

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attending the meeting in the public

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gallery may be recorded and appear in

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the live stream. A copy of the live

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stream will be available for viewing on

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council's website within 48 hours. We

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kindly advise that the audio, video, and

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photographic recording is not permitted

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within the council chambers unless prior

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approval has been granted by council.

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There is one person here tonight who has

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approval to film.

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I will now formally open this council

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meeting and will recite the opening and

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acknowledgement of country. Please stand

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if you are able.

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We give thanks, O God, for the Men and

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Women of the past whose generous

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devotion to the common good has been the

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making of our City. Grant that our own

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generation may build worthily on the

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foundations that they have laid. Direct

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our minds to all we plan and determined

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and for the well-being of our City.

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Amen.

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Whitehorse City Council acknowledges the

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Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung people of the Kulin Nation

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as the Traditional Owners of the land

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that we are meeting on and we pay our

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respects to their Elders past and

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present and emerging Aboriginal and

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Torres Strait Islanders from communities

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who may be present today. Please be

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seated.

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I would now like to introduce our

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counselors commencing with counselors on

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my left. Deputy Mayor, councelor Kieran

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Simpson. Good evening, Mayor, and good

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evening to everyone who's watching

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tonight.

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Councelor Andrew Davenport.

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Good evening and welcome,

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Councelor Jarred Gunn.

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Good evening all. Welcome. Happy

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Mother's Day to all the mothers for

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yesterday and happy birthday to the

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first lady of Terrara Ward today.

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Happy birthday,

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councelor Daniel Griffith.

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Good evening. Welcome

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councelor Hayley Weller.

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Good evening and welcome.

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Councelor Peter Allan. Good evening and

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welcome

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councelor Jason Martin.

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Hello everyone and welcome to those in

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the gallery and watching online. Thank

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you

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councelor Cutts

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Good evening everyone and welcome

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especially those who've made the effort

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to come here this evening in the

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gallery. Thank you

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councelor Ben Stennett

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Good evening everyone welcome

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and joining us online councelor Blair

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Barker as you and as you were online

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this morning when you're speaking I'll

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let you know when you have 30 seconds

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remaining.

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Thanks Mayor. Good evening, Mayor. Good

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evening all.

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We're also joined by the CEO and senior

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officers. I will commence with the

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acting chief executive offer off

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officer, Stuart Cann

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Good evening and welcome

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We also have Jeff Green, the director of

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city development Steven White the

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director of infrastructure and state

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sustainability, Kim Marriott the

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acting director of community life Jamie

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Fitzgiving, the active director of

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corporate services, Vivienne Felano,

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manager of integrity and performance,

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and members of our governance and IT

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teams.

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I will now note any apologies and seek a

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motion to accept any leave of absence

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requests. Are there any apologies or

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leave of absence requests this evening?

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As there are none, I will now move on to

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item three. I will now call for any

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disclosures of interest. Are there any

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disclosures? If declare, I will require

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counselors and office to officers to

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disclose their interest and the nature

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of their interest.

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Yes, Mayor.

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Councelor Griffith

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I have a general interest for item 10.3.

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I'm a non-executive director of Amber

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Community Incorporated. that have

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premises located nearby at 630 Mitchum

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Road and their operations involve use of

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on street parking.

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Thank you councilors. I would now like

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to declare a material conflict of

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interest relating to item 9.1 the

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heritage potential aqualink nanowading.

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The nature of this interest relates to

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my partner who is a member of the

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Nanawading swimming club board.

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Item four, we will now move to the

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confirmation of the minutes. Councilors,

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I'm seeking a mover to confirm the

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minutes for the council meeting held on

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the 20th of April, 2026.

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Happy to move.

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Thank you, councelor Simpson. Can I have

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a council a second?

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Have a second, Mayor.

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Thank you, councelor Gunn.

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Do you wish to speak?

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no Mayor.

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I will now put the motion. All those in

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favor?

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Passed unanimously.

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Item five, urgent business. Councilors,

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are there any items of urgent business

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this evening?

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As there are no matters of urgent

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business, we will move on to the next

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item.

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Item six

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Request to speak enables members of the

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community to speak directly to council

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at a council meeting. Each speaker is

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granted up to three minutes to present

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their subject matter. A bell

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will alert you to when there are 30

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seconds remaining. Please ensure your

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speech is respectful, relevant, and

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expressed in a manner that upholds

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courtesy. Tonight we have two speakers.

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Our first speaker tonight is Sarah

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Gahuli, Risky Kids Mitchum. I now invite

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Sarah to the podium.

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Start speaking. Just start speaking.

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It's fine.

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Okay. Thank you so much. Good evening,

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councilors. I want to thank you for

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the opportunity to speak regarding item

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10.3 on tonight's agenda, a land use

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application that we've made to open a

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Risky Kids club on Redland Drive in

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Mitchum. We ask for this application to

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be called in for your determination

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because we believe it raises important

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questions of planning discretion,

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proportionality, and community benefit

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that were not considered in the standard

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process. The report included in

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tonight's agenda rightly focuses on the

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planning scheme references, strategic

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state planning policy, and the intended

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purpose of industrial zone 3. But what

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it doesn't reflect is the full context

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and detail provided by the documents we

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submitted in support of our application

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doesn't account for an additional

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environmental odour assessment that was

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completed at council's request at a cost

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of $5,000 or the three-page response

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that was given to comprehensively

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address clause 17 concerns.

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The report doesn't provide a full

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context of the location in proximity to

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the wider Redland Drive precinct with a

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council reserve and playground, cafe,

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church, and baby education center all

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currently servicing children and

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families either directly opposite or

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within 250 mters of our site.

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It doesn't show consideration for the

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broader benefits and social impact of

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our proposal and appears to rely on

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incorrect assumptions about the nature

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of our business and motivations for

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application. Please let me be clear. The

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application we've put forward is not

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frivolous and we are not seeking to use

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this property as a cheaper solution to

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alternative options. The rent that we

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are paying is far from cheap and the

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emotional and financial pressure our

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families face during the uncertainty of

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this process and the extended weight for

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today's decision has been very real.

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Our motivation for this application is

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simple. We're investing in this business

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because Risky Kids has made a profound

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impact on our own family and we want to

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help make this program available to as

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many other local families as possible.

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This isn't just a typical activity or

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play center and it's not something that

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can just be accommodated anywhere. Risky

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Kids is a unique preventative well-being

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program designed to build confidence and

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resilience in children and young people

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up to the age of 25. It uses

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purpose-built equipment and requires a

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facility with floor space and clearance

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large enough for it to be installed and

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used safely. It's a program that

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delivers outcomes that are directly

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aligned with council's health and

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wellbeing action plan, particularly

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objectives 1.3 and its strategy of

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focusing on enhancing mental health and

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resilience. While we acknowledge the

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updated state government guidance and

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land use designation applied to the

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site, we also note that page 75 of the

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land use plan calls for eastern region

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planning frameworks to also identify

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areas within regionally significant

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industrial precincts that can support

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other employment uses, including

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offices, creative industries, and

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startups. Section two, indoor recreation

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approval of a bad mitten center in the

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industrial zone 1 on Brooks Road falls

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under the same plan category as the

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Redlands estate demonstrating a recent

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and relevant example of a planning

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discretion that we're seeking considered

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here.

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Thank you,

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Mayor. I would like to move a suspension

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to standing orders to allow speaker to

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speak.

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I I'll second that. Mayor,

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I'll put the motion in support.

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Councelor Allan, Councelor Weller,

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Councelor Gunn, Councelor Davenport,

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Councelor Simpson, Councelor Stennett,

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Councelor Cutts, and Councelor Martin.

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Those against.

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Oh, sorry. And councelor Barker,

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Council, are those against?

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I'm abstaining ma'am.

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You're abstaining. I'll abstain as well.

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So,the motion is carried.

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You can finish the rest of the speech.

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Thank you. All

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 all I had to say left was that 

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this application is important to us and

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that we're really grateful to have your

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consideration in weighing its full

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merits when you're making your decision

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tonight. Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Sarah.

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Thank you,

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Mayor. I'd like to move a motion to

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reve.

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Our second speaker tonight is Jason Wong

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Haben. I invite Jason to the lecton.

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Good evening, counselors. My name is

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Jason Wong and I'm a senior development

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manager with Haven Property Group. Haven

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Property is a familyowned and operated

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organization led by a father and son

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partnership with a strong passion for

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retail placemaking. Our focus is on

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creating highquality shopping centers

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that are safe, engaging, and enjoyable

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desperate destinations for the

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community. Places where people can work,

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shop, dine, and spend time together.

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Haven acquired Forest Hill Chase in

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March 2023.

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This acquisition included the separate

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commercial building and car park located

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at 69 to 79 Man's Road which is subject

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which is the subject of the proposed

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amendment being considered tonight.

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Since this purchase we have taken an

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active ownership approach with a strong

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commitment to delivering positive

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outcomes for both the center and

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surrounding community.

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Community benefit remains the c remains

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central to the long-term vision and

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strategic direction of for this asset.

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We have already achieved meaningful

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investment in the center including the

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redevelopment of level one and the

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delivery of the new food precinct. In

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addition, the center is set to launch a

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new three court indoor basketball

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facility designed to support the local

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community and provide valuable

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opportunities for youth engagement.

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Looking ahead, further investment is

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planned to progressively revitalize

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Forest Hill Chase and restore its former

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prominence. The center holds significant

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historical value and continues to play

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an important role within the local area.

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This evening, Haven Property is seeking

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the support of the city of Whitehorse

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councilors alongside council officers to

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approve the proposed planning scheme

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amendment related to the land located at

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69 to 79 Man's Road. The current aged

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office building and the car park to the

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south. The current planning controls

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significantly limit the potential use of

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these sites with the effect of confining

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the southern site primarily to to the

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private car to private car parking. We

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note that Forest Hill Chase already

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provides sufficient on-site parking

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capacity to accommodate the loss of

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these spaces, enabling the land to be

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repurposed for more productive and

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appropriate uses that align with the

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broader planning and community

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objectives. Thank you for your time and

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consideration this evening in relation

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to this matter.

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Thank you, Jason.

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Item seven, public question time. We

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have three public questions this

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evening. Two submitted by Wendy Tan Box

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Hill and one from Kathleen Cummings,

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Whitehorse Rate Payers and Residents

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Association Incorporated.

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The first two questions will be read out

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and responded to by Jeff Green, Director

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C Development. Jeff, could you please

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come to the lecton to address the

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questions?

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Thank you, Mayor. Question one, will

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council formally write to DTP Vic roads

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requesting a speed zone review for

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Station Street Boxill, including

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consideration of extending the Box Hill

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40k per hour safer speed environment to

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this arterial section. Through your

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Mayor, there is an existing timebased

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40k per hour speed zone along Station

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Street between Oxford Street to the

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south and Whitehorse Road to the north.

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Council officers will will write to DTP

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to request a review of the existing 40k

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per hour speed zone length along Station

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Street and whether an extension of the

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existing speed zone length along Station

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Street is supported.

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Question two, given council's boxill

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integrated transport strategy and the

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new 40k per hour safer speed zone, what

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advocacy is council undertaking to

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improve pedestrian safety, residential

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amenity, and traffic noise impacts on

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arterial roads such as station street

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through your Mayor. Council's integrated

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transport strategy has various actions

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focused on road safety and providing a

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safer road environment for all road

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users. Council will continue to

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implement the strategy actions and

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advocate for improved road safety for

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the area. Thank you, M.

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Thank you, Jeff. The final question will

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be read out by Steven White, director of

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infrastructure and sustainability.

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 thank you, Mayor. Um, the question

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we've received is, state government has

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been collecting tip charges now and are

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wanting to use the money for other

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reasons which appears to be dishonest.

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money is siphoned through council who

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are accountable for rateayers money and

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needs to be used for the proper purpose.

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Please explain what this money is being

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used for. In response, as of the 1st of

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July 2025, the Victoria Metropolitan BL

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levy for municipal waste is $167.90

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a ton and the levy is applied to waste

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collected by council that's disposed in

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landfills. Use of the levy funds is a

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matter for the state government and is

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described annually in the sustainability

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fund activities report and a link to the

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report will be provided in the minutes.

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Thank you may

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thank you Steven. We have no petitions

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this evening and as there are no

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petitions we will move to the next item

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item nine notice of motion. Moving on to

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item 9.1. Councilors, we have one notice

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of motion this evening. As per my

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disclosure relating to this item,

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heritage potential aqualink

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nanawwarding, I will now formally vacate

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the chair and ask deputy Mayor Simpson

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to chair item 9.1. I will then exit the

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chambers for the council to consider the

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item. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Simpson.

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Please bear with me a moment.

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Thank you, councilors. Um, as I said

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last time I was in this chair, deputy

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Mayor is a bit of a mouthful. So, you're

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welcome to address me as chair. That is

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completely okay. We will now move on to

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item 9.1, heritage potential aqualic

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nana warning. Do I have a mover?

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 so moved, Mayor,

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deputy Mayor/chair.

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Thank you, councelor Davenport. Do I

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have a seconder?

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Yes, Mayor. Chair.

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Thank you, councelor Barker. Councelor

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Davenport.

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Well, thank you, Mayor. And um uh what

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I'll start with be uh in the beginning

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points is that I didn't feel that this

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type of motion would need to come to

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council um ordinarily. Um when we had

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the Whitehorse Center and I raised a

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question about heritage potential, the

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officers had automatically went to our

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heritage advisor to get a um preliminary

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investigation done. But in this case, I

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was told I had to have a notice of

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motion before any work had been done. I

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hope that we could have gone that down

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the other path, but here we are today.

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Councilors, before embarking any type of

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proposed redevelopment, we need to

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consider um heritage of the places that

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we have. Now um the aqualink noneading

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currently has not appeared on any

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previous heritage um registers and

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that's because in my view the studies

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that were done especially post World War

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II heritage study were predominantly

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focused around um criterion E which was

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around the building substance and nature

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itself. Um but nanowing aqua link should

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be considered with questions of our

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heritage advisor around heritage around

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two other criterions.

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Firstly, criterion G of the Victorian

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heritage register criteria indicates a

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strong or special association with

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present- day community for social

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reasons. Now, Nanowatting Aqualink has

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been around since the 19

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uh60s when it first opened.

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And if you think of the time back then

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in the ' 70s, it was a place where

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nearly everyone that I would I I knew of

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would go and recreate. It was it it gave

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deep social connection with members of

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that community at that time in a way

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that we don't usually see that nowadays

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with the advancement of um electronic

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media and and um screens and so on that

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didn't exist back then and a lot of

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recreation was done at the swimming pool

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um and so I'm not aware of of any type

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of heritage um protection being done on

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other typ types of pools and this is our

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our main one here within the city. But

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what we have done in in other swimming

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pools and as well as um AC as well as uh

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Whitehorse Center is when we looked at

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the heritage advice, we took that on

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board on any potential redevelopment. So

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Box Hill, there were special treatments

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made with the old outdoor pool when that

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was re recompleted in I think 2013

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after that redevelopment. And at the

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round we were able to take the elements

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of the lead lighting which was raised in

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the advice from the heritage advisor and

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was able to preserve that in the new

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center. We shouldn't be just sweeping

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away um our past because we have not

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been able to ask the question of our

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heritage advisor. That's what part one

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does. Part number two I wanted to touch

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on is criterion H of the um uh Victorian

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heritage register criteria which is um

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around a special association

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um with life or works with a particular

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group of people and this particular

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group of people are Olympians and par

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Olympians and when you have a look at

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the history of the pool and a long

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association with none awarding swimming

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club. A number of Olympians,

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Commonwealth Games Olympians as well as

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um parallel Olympians have come out of

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the Nanawading

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um swimming pool or Aqualink Nanowading

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names such as Brook Hansen, Lisel Jones,

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Blinda Hawking,

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um Joshua Beaver, Matthew Temple,

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just to name a few. just to name a few.

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We should be celebrating that success.

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And so this motion tonight is about

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asking question number one of our

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heritage advisor. Now, if they come

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back, the one that we have on the books,

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paid, not independent, they come back

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and say there's nothing nothing to see

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here, well then that's the end of it.

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But if it's a case that there is some

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something worth preserving, it's not

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about um stopping any progress, but if

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there's anything worth preserving, that

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that then goes to a forward

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investigation.

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Councilors, we have to ask questions at

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the right point in time. This is the

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right point of time to consider the

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question of aqualink noneading. and I

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urge you to support the motion to at

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least ask the question of our heritage

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advisor which we've done in the past

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without a motion. Thank you chair.

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Thank you councelor Davenport. Um at 30

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seconds councelor Barker I will give you

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a ding. Um but you may commence. Well,

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thank you, chair.  and and I thank

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councelor Davenport for his introduction

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to this because we know that heritage

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protection in this great city of White

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Horse is important because it recognizes

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the cultural, historic and social value

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of places and um and their importance to

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the locality. Um this place the nut

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awarding pool certainly has significance

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social significance and I again and I

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didn't uh contact councelor Davenport

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about this I'm I'm compelled by

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criterion dur as well which is the

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special association with a particular

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present day community or cultural groups

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for social social cultural or spiritual

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reasons. Now without question the

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presence of non aorting swimming club

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here over many many years it's been an

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elite part of elite swimming sport in

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Australia for that period and for and

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indeed the actual pool itself as

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councelor Davenport so um beautifully

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outlined has been an important part of

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community life in our great city and the

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second reason that we should be

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supporting this is for the purposes of

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both moral and intellectual consistency

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today you you'd be aware uh deputy chair

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that I didn't support the 1945 previous

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report on heritage. And today I had the

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first of the calls from one of those

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homeowners in Whitehorse that's looking

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at the potential of having their

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property effectively confiscated by the

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state for its protection. And uh that's

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not something that I will um I support

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personally. Of course, I support the

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council decision,

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but what would a community make of a

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government organization that treats

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private property in one way, yet

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government property in another way? I

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don't know what you'd make of a

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government that does something like

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that. We need intellectual and moral

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consistency to make sure that we can be

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authoritative on the matter of heritage.

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And that means that heritage assessments

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should apply equally to government

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property as they do to private property.

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And that's the reason why I'll be

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supporting this man, Deputy Chair. Um,

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and that's all I've got to say. Thank

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you very much.

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Thank you, Council Barker. Are there any

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other speakers?

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Yes, ma'am.

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.296
 councelor Stennet.

00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:51.976
 thank you, Mayor. I'd like to begin

00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.000
by affirming that heritage protection is

00:24:55.120 --> 00:24:56.936
an important responsibility of council,

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but it must be and this is where I agree

00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:02.856
partly with councelor Barker that it

00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.336
must be applied consistently, but it

00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:07.816
must also be applied in con accordance

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with the evidentary threshold set out in

00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.000
the Victorian Heritage Register criteria

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and threat threshold guidelines. In this

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case, there is no clear basis for

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concluding that the facility meets those

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.056
thresholds, particularly or reference

00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:24.056
criteria G or H because they've been

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mentioned um which is sometimes raised

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.296
in relation to community recreation

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assets. Starting with criteria H which

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relates to strong or special social or

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cultural association with the community.

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The key requirement is not general use

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or familiarity being familiar. Many

00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:43.255
community facilities are well used and

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valued, but that alone does not create

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heritage significance. For criterion G

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to be met, there must be distinctive and

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enduring cultural association with the

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place itself such that its loss would

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represent a significant cultural loss

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beyond the normal replacement of a civic

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service. Here the evidence points

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instead to a functional relationship.

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The community values the facility for

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swimming, recreation, health, and social

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connection services that would be

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expected of any modern aquing sector

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center. There is no demonstrated unique

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cultural identity tied specifically to

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this site that elevates it above

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comparable facilities. Accordingly, it

00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:23.096
does not meet the high threshold

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required for criterion G. Criterion H

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relates to association with the life or

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work of a persons or organizations of

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historical importance. However, this

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does not establish heritage significance

00:26:35.760 --> 00:26:38.760
under criterion H. Athletes training at

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a particular or regional facility is

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common place and reflects the normal

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operation of a sporting network. It is

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not a unique historical association with

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a specific place. For criteria H to be

00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:53.096
to satisfy the place must have a direct

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defining and demonstrable association

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with a person's historically significant

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achievements where the site is itself is

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.775
integral to understanding that

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.096
significance. That is not the case here.

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Any association with Olympic athletes is

00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:10.056
incidental rather than defining. Their

00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:11.736
historical importance is connected to

00:27:11.760 --> 00:27:13.816
their careers, competitions, and broader

00:27:13.840 --> 00:27:15.655
training systems, not to a single

00:27:15.679 --> 00:27:17.816
suburban aquatic center that forms one

00:27:17.840 --> 00:27:20.296
of many training environments. If this

00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:22.616
level of association was sufficient, a

00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.216
large number of comparable facilities

00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.976
across Victoria would potentially

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.496
qualified for this heritage

00:27:27.520 --> 00:27:29.255
consideration, which is not the intent

00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.576
of the framework.

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For this, for those reasons, I do not

00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:35.736
believe this referral is warranted, and

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I urge council not to support it. Thank

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you, May.

00:27:39.600 --> 00:27:41.255
Thank you, Councelor Sten. Are there any

00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.296
other speakers to this motion?

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May I have a question?

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 yes, Councelor Cuts.

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I'd like to understand that given we've

00:27:46.159 --> 00:27:48.696
had multiple heritage studies done in

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.936
the past that this has not appeared on

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any of the um studies and I'd like to

00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:56.360
understand that has this been actually

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included and looked at and therefore

00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.696
given it's not being brought up, it

00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.535
should not be included. I like that

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question answered please.

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Mr. Green.

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Thank you, CH. I can confirm that this

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.816
building has not previously been

00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:15.816
identified in any any heritage studies

00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:17.576
as having potential heritage

00:28:17.600 --> 00:28:19.015
significance.

00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:20.296
Thank you, Mr. Green. Are there any

00:28:20.320 --> 00:28:23.176
other speakers?

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Yes, chair.

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.640
Yes, council Martin. Um chair, my

00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.056
question is about protecting a building

00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:32.535
that doesn't meet the benchmarks as

00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.375
councelor Stenet has said for heritage

00:28:34.399 --> 00:28:36.936
or I'm just concerned that this might be

00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.336
um a mechanism to inhibit the full

00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:40.696
potential of this site for future

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.336
generations. So um I think we do need to

00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:45.015
balance the consideration of a community

00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.039
history um um and I've listened to

00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.655
councelor Davenport's arguments for

00:28:49.679 --> 00:28:50.775
heritage protection. I was very

00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.856
interested to actually listen to it. Um

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.096
but for me I I think this um it hasn't

00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:56.856
been identified previously and and I

00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.375
think this would be a waste of council

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officers time and and rateayers money.

00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:04.296
So I dock I do acknowledge the criteria

00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:06.696
for G&H and uh and I think the clubs do

00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.255
recognize it on site in their in their

00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.576
activities. Um,

00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:14.600
I think um good a good for this site for

00:29:15.360 --> 00:29:18.216
me a great way to uh honor the site

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.616
would be to have a a modern asset for

00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.135
meeting modern needs for modern

00:29:22.159 --> 00:29:23.576
athletes. That's what I would be looking

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:26.600
for. Um so yeah, so I I look for me I I

00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.696
just think this this motion is frivolous

00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.255
at best and irresponsible at worst. I

00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.176
asked uh councilors not to support this

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.255
motion and not waste council officers

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.279
time and rateayers money. Thank you.

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.456
Thank you, councelor Martin. Are there

00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.416
any other speakers?

00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.255
Um, chair, I've just got a question.

00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:48.856
 yes, councelor standard.  I'd

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.880
also like to know um if

00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:54.856
any of the historical societies in White

00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.336
House have asked for heritage to be

00:29:57.360 --> 00:29:59.255
considered for another warning.

00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.279
 Mr. Green,

00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.616
thank you. Sh. So, as the property does

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.535
not appear on any potential heritage

00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:09.976
lists, that would mean that it has not

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.496
been previously been put forward to us

00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:14.520
by any community members.

00:30:15.919 --> 00:30:17.096
Thank you, Mr. Green. Are there any

00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:19.655
other speakers to the motion?

00:30:19.679 --> 00:30:21.895
 being none and uh given that there

00:30:21.919 --> 00:30:23.655
has been opposition, council Davenport,

00:30:23.679 --> 00:30:24.856
you do have a right of reply.

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.880
 well, thank you um thank you uh uh

00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.096
chair and I think to to begin with um I

00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:32.456
have listened to all the points that

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.616
have been raised tonight. Um in terms of

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.936
uh the property not being um appearing

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.960
on the heritage studies of the past um

00:30:40.159 --> 00:30:42.535
the first two that come to my mind were

00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.336
before um second world war. The second

00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:47.976
one, which was Second World War heritage

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.000
study, um had properties on there that

00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:53.655
weren't on the previous ones. And that's

00:30:53.679 --> 00:30:55.976
because heritage changes over time as

00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.775
the building stock changes over time.

00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.535
And there and therefore elements that

00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.559
had no heritage value, say 50 years ago,

00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:05.496
now have a lot more. And so you can't

00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:07.336
say at a fixed point in time, it's not

00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:09.895
on a heritage register or a heritage

00:31:09.919 --> 00:31:11.576
list or a potential one that it would

00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:14.600
not be in the future. Councelor Stennet

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.936
had made quite a substantial speech

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.576
about whether or not criteria H and G

00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:21.895
and all all these others are met. It's

00:31:21.919 --> 00:31:23.655
not our position here tonight to be

00:31:23.679 --> 00:31:25.496
heritage experts. Tonight's about

00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.336
answering a question or asking a

00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:29.816
question of the heritage advisor to say

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.375
whether or not there is elements of that

00:31:32.399 --> 00:31:35.096
building that should perhaps have

00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:37.576
heritage considerations be placed on it.

00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:39.416
Not saying it should be heritage listed

00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.056
overall, but when we did the Whitehorse

00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:44.856
Center, we did get some good outcomes

00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.255
from that heritage advisor on elements

00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.495
to protect. The lead lighting windows

00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.296
are one of those prime examples at of

00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:55.255
that and how we have protected and

00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.056
celebrated heritage at Box Hill. Aqualink

00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:00.056
is another one as well that it came out

00:32:00.080 --> 00:32:03.080
of advice from from um heritage advisor.

00:32:03.919 --> 00:32:06.375
This is about a balance.

00:32:06.399 --> 00:32:08.936
I'm keen to see if off if uh councilors

00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.576
decide to throw Heritage out at the at

00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:14.535
the first hurdle um rather than asking

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.296
the question and going through the

00:32:16.320 --> 00:32:19.176
process. So councilors my view is that

00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.736
we should be at least asking the

00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:24.375
question and as I've said in the past

00:32:24.399 --> 00:32:25.976
I've never had to have a notice of

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.375
motion before but tonight because of

00:32:28.399 --> 00:32:30.856
council offic's response to my query

00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.495
it's here tonight. Vote yes.

00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.096
Thank you councelor Davenport. I was

00:32:35.120 --> 00:32:36.936
giving you a little bit of time to wind

00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.960
up, but you decided to keep going.

00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:42.775
I will now put the motion to the vote.

00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.336
All those in favor,

00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:47.736
councelor Davenport, and councelor

00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:50.760
Barker. All those against, councelor

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.495
Allen, Council Weller, Council Griffith,

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.576
Councelor Gun, Councelor Simpson,

00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:57.736
Councelor Stennet, Councelor Cuts, and

00:32:57.760 --> 00:33:00.456
Councelor Martin. I declare the vote

00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.480
lost.

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:05.176
As this item is now resolved,

00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.775
councilors, I will now hand the chair

00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.456
back to Mayor Langford. Um, if someone

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.480
could please bring her

00:33:45.760 --> 00:33:47.416
councilors, we will now move on to

00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.576
council reports.

00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:51.655
I will first like to take a moment to

00:33:51.679 --> 00:33:54.216
request that before each item is called

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.056
tonight, councilors allow me to finish

00:33:56.080 --> 00:33:58.696
announcing the item title and formally

00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.936
call for mover before contributing.

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.976
Thank you,

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:03.015
Mayor.

00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:03.736
Councelor,

00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:05.736
taking that into consideration, could I

00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:07.976
move a procedural motion to rearrange

00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.000
the agenda?

00:34:13.839 --> 00:34:16.839
 so it'll be item 10.3 first, item

00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.575
10.4 for second and reorder everything

00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.599
else accordingly.

00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:25.416
We will move it I'm happy to move item

00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.440
10.3 to item 10.1. We will label it as

00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.280
item 10.1. Item 10.2 will be 10.4 as we

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.655
can move through the agenda.

00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.679
So 10.3 will be 10.1 10.4 will be 10.2

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.159
10.1 will be 10.3. Is that okay?

00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:48.135
We

00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:48.936
just re

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.895
we'll reorder in that order. Thank you,

00:34:51.919 --> 00:34:52.936
Mayor.

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:53.815
Councelor Cuts,

00:34:53.839 --> 00:34:56.536
I'd like to also bring 10.6 forward as

00:34:56.560 --> 00:34:58.055
well because we have a speaker from the

00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.656
forest activity center.

00:34:59.680 --> 00:35:01.335
Apologies, Mayor. That that was my

00:35:01.359 --> 00:35:04.216
intention.

00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:05.896
So, would anyone like to second this

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:06.376
procedure?

00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.376
I will second. Thank you, councelor

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.016
Cuts. Um, could we have a vote on that,

00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:14.040
please? All in favor?

00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:16.616
We're just moving the order of the

00:35:16.640 --> 00:35:19.640
agenda. Council Simpson,

00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.536
Council Allen, Council Weller, Council

00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:25.335
Griffith, Council Gun, Council Dport,

00:35:25.359 --> 00:35:27.416
Councelor Simpson, Council Langford,

00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.376
Councelor Stennet, Councelor

00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.400
Cuts, Counselor Martin. Those against

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.095
Councelor Barker, the motion is carried.

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.119
We will now move to item 10.36.

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:47.240
Sorry. Thank you.

00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.880
Been asking for this to be

00:35:54.720 --> 00:35:57.720
putting it on there.

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:03.095
Thank you, Councelor Griffith, for

00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.736
leaving the room. Could I have a

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.760
counselor remove the item 10.63 6 3 10.3

00:36:09.839 --> 00:36:12.839
36 Redland Drive, Mitchum, lot 3 PS417

00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.320
841. Use the land for the purpose of an

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.176
indoor recreation facility.

00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:20.696
Mayor, I would like to move an

00:36:20.720 --> 00:36:21.575
alternate.

00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.055
Thank you. Council Stennet, could you

00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.079
please put the alternate up on screen?

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.896
Can you read? Do we need to Can people

00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.920
in this in the room see the alternate?

00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:34.296
There it is.

00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.055
Would you like to quickly explain that,

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.079
Council Stenant? Uh thank you Mayor.

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:43.640
It uh seeks to grant an approval with uh

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.856
conditions. Mayor,

00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:48.536
thank you councelor Sten. Would someone

00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.856
like to move so second this?

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:51.416
Yes, Mayor.

00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.176
Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor

00:36:53.200 --> 00:36:54.216
Stennet.

00:36:54.240 --> 00:36:56.936
Uh thank you Mayor. Uh

00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.960
at its heart, this application asks

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.055
council to consider whether a smallcale

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.456
indoor recreation facility can operate

00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.896
in a reasonable, controlled, and

00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.376
respectful way within this location. I

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.136
believe the amended motion before us

00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:12.776
achieves that balance. Importantly, it's

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.696
not an unrestricted approval. It's a

00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:16.696
carefully conditioned permit with clear

00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:18.536
operational limits designed to protect

00:37:18.560 --> 00:37:20.616
the amenity of surrounding properties

00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:22.536
while allowing a beneficial community

00:37:22.560 --> 00:37:24.936
use to occur. My alternative does not

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:26.696
fundamentally change the proposed use,

00:37:26.720 --> 00:37:28.536
but it significantly strengthens the

00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:31.335
safeguards around how that use operates.

00:37:31.359 --> 00:37:33.656
Firstly, operating hours is tightly

00:37:33.680 --> 00:37:35.416
controlled weekday use is limited to

00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.095
morning and evening periods. No

00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.575
continuous daytime operations. Weekend

00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.599
use is capped at 6 p.m. reducing um

00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:44.136
potential impacts on surrounding

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:46.616
residents, particularly in the evenings.

00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:48.136
Secondly, patron numbers are clearly

00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:50.696
defined and enforceable. The proposed

00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:53.256
limits are to use 20 patrons in the

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.575
morning, 32 patrons in the afternoons on

00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.736
the weekends, including staff. This is

00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.736
not a large scale commercial recreation

00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.815
venue. It's a modest contain operation

00:38:01.839 --> 00:38:03.815
that council can monitor and force and

00:38:03.839 --> 00:38:06.696
enforce. Thirdly, parking and traffic

00:38:06.720 --> 00:38:08.776
impacts are directly addressed. The

00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.335
amendment requires at least eight onsite

00:38:11.359 --> 00:38:13.496
car spaces and introduces a mandatory

00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:14.936
car park management plan before

00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.496
commencement. That plan must address

00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:19.496
parking allocation, bicycle provision,

00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:21.095
and safe drop off and pickup

00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.936
arrangements. This ensures parking

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.095
demand is managed on site rather than

00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.055
spilling into surrounding streets. In

00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.736
addition, there are strengthened amenity

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.736
controls. The proposal explicitly

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:33.736
prohibits loudspeakers, public address

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.760
systems, and externally amplified music

00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.776
combined with improved waste management

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.856
requirements. These conditions provide

00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.936
clear protections for nearby residents

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.960
and reduce uncertainty about how how the

00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.616
facility will operate. I also think it's

00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:50.536
important the council considers

00:38:50.560 --> 00:38:52.216
proportionality, something that was

00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:54.216
mentioned by the speaker this evening.

00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:56.536
The role of the responsible authority is

00:38:56.560 --> 00:38:58.936
not to eliminate all impact, but because

00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.256
almost every land use generates some

00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.496
level of activity, the key question is

00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:05.976
whether those impacts are unreasonable

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.656
and whether they can be effectively

00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:09.335
managed through conditions. In this

00:39:09.359 --> 00:39:11.896
case, the amended conditions provide

00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.896
strong and enforcable framework that

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.456
allows council ongoing oversight while

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.176
ensuring impacts remain contained. I

00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:20.616
would like to acknowledge the office of

00:39:20.640 --> 00:39:22.936
recommendation which suggests refusal on

00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.696
the basis of inconsistency with

00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:26.856
industrial land policy and the purpose

00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.736
of the industrial 3 zone. However, I do

00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.575
not believe this proposal represents an

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.656
inappropriate use of the industrial land

00:39:33.680 --> 00:39:36.296
or a material loss of strategically

00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.856
significant employment land. It is a

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.880
smallcale indoor recreation use

00:39:42.160 --> 00:39:44.376
supported by a strict operational limits

00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.696
and clear amenity controls. It's also

00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:48.296
important to recognize that White House

00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.216
industrial precincts today are not

00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:53.095
solely composed of traditional heavy

00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.119
industrial uses. Council's own planning

00:39:56.720 --> 00:39:59.720
documents acknowledge a diverse mix of

00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.976
existing activities including

00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.815
professional services, technical

00:40:03.839 --> 00:40:05.736
businesses, office warehouse uses,

00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.136
construction services, and retail trade.

00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:09.496
Across our city, there are already

00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:11.815
examples of nontraditional uses

00:40:11.839 --> 00:40:13.815
operating within industrial zones,

00:40:13.839 --> 00:40:15.575
including gyms, training facilities,

00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.976
trade showrooms, places of worship, and

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.696
office based enterprises. These uses

00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:22.856
have been considered on their individual

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.936
merits with attention to scale,

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.960
location, and amenity impacts.

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.055
This does not diminish the importance of

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.296
protecting industrial land. Industrial

00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:33.976
precincts remain strategically

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.736
significant, but it does mean that

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.736
planning decisions should be based on

00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.575
the specific nature and impact of each

00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.335
proposal rather than a blanket

00:40:41.359 --> 00:40:43.256
assumption that not that all

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.016
non-industrial activity is

00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:47.896
inappropriate. In this case, the strict

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.920
conditions proposed ensure that the use

00:40:51.040 --> 00:40:52.616
remains low impact, contained, and

00:40:52.640 --> 00:40:55.496
compatible with its surroundings.

00:40:55.520 --> 00:40:57.976
I acknowledge that some councilors must

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.696
may still have some concerns. However, I

00:41:00.720 --> 00:41:02.376
believe this amended motion responds

00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:03.896
directly to these concerns through

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.976
enforceable limits, operational

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.856
controls, and management requirements.

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.095
Ultimately, this is not a choice between

00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.896
protecting industrial land and allowing

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.736
community activity. It's about finding a

00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.536
balanced outcome where both can coexist

00:41:18.560 --> 00:41:21.335
responsibly.

00:41:21.359 --> 00:41:23.496
I also think that indoor recreation

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:25.736
facilities also provide real community

00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.055
benefit. They do support health, social

00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.736
connection and participation,

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.016
particularly for families and young

00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:33.256
people. When appropriately managed, they

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:34.856
can coexist with surrounding uses

00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.016
without unreasonable impact. For those

00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:39.335
reasons, I support the amended motion

00:41:39.359 --> 00:41:41.256
and I encourage councilors to do the

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.176
same. Thank you.

00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:44.696
Thank you, Councelor Stennet. Councelor

00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:45.976
Davenport. It's

00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.000
um not often I see an alternate to a a

00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.976
um to a motion to approve when uh

00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.000
officers uh recommend a declar

00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:58.680
declining. Um and so seconding this

00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.696
motion is not something that I take

00:42:00.720 --> 00:42:03.575
lightly, councilors. Um but the reason

00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.599
that I've um risen to talk to second the

00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.776
motion is on the following points.

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.176
Firstly, um the location of this

00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:13.416
particular site is right on the edge of

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.440
the industrial zone and it almost abuts

00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.815
a large office complex.

00:42:19.839 --> 00:42:22.839
The second reason is because the horse

00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:25.656
has bolted in this particular estate.

00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:28.376
Council's already approved a dance

00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.400
studio right in the middle of it that

00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.976
has got a substantial level of

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.656
patronage. So, if you were to say to me

00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:38.680
it's totally um industrial

00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.736
um and no other uses, I'd say maybe it

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.536
has merit. And we saw that at the pool

00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:47.416
hall where it was all one one use. In

00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.656
this particular case, we councelor has

00:42:49.680 --> 00:42:52.680
already approved um other uses in this

00:42:53.680 --> 00:42:56.055
particular area.

00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:57.896
Sometimes I'm worried about other uses

00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:59.976
in an industrial park that have narrow

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.856
traffic and we see that at Lexon um road

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.736
with um some of the dance places there.

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.976
But this has got a very wide street

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.936
frontage that would easily allow for

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.936
traffic movements to occur, for

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.335
industrial movements to occur with very

00:43:15.359 --> 00:43:17.976
little interruption there. councilors.

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.000
It is about a balancing of um uses of

00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.376
land because it's right on the edge of

00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.400
the estate, right near an office block.

00:43:27.680 --> 00:43:30.616
We've already approved other uses here

00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:33.640
um and it balances

00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:37.319
our council plan on um enabling our

00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.536
businesses to provide services for the

00:43:40.560 --> 00:43:43.016
community. In my view, this particular

00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:46.040
use is one that is unique and it's

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.616
something that we should be um

00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:51.640
considering. uh councilors um as I said

00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.335
it's um not often and I've not seen it

00:43:55.359 --> 00:43:57.815
before where we've where we've approved

00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:00.216
um but I think that what council stenets

00:44:00.240 --> 00:44:02.136
come up with in terms of condition

00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:04.776
strikes a balance between competing

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.736
needs and given that the that the

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.760
industrial um usage has already used for

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.400
other other areas that we should be um

00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.416
approving this one and allowing our

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.896
businesses to thrive within the City of

00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.536
Whitehorse. I urge your support for the

00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:25.256
motion that councelor Stennet has put up

00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.256
tonight. Thank you.

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:28.936
Thank you, councelor Davenport. Are

00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.696
there any other speakers to the motion?

00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:32.776
Yes, council cuts. Um, I will be

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.800
supporting this amendment. Um, this is

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.936
for an indoor recreation facility which

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.936
offers classes, movement based programs

00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:42.856
to develop children's physical literacy,

00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.295
confidence, and resilience in a

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:47.319
controlled indoor environment. And this

00:44:47.359 --> 00:44:50.359
is not a prohibited use in this land.

00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:53.095
This is not a prohibited use. This is up

00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.256
to council's discretion about what we

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:56.776
choose to do. We've got the report

00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:59.800
before us, but what makes it legitimate

00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:03.095
is that they've been required to put a

00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.656
permit in because section two use in the

00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:07.656
planning scheme. So, this is all about

00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:09.095
fitting with our current planning

00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.256
scheme. Now, if this was not a permitted

00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.656
use um or was prohibited, this would not

00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:16.295
be coming to council. Number one, my

00:45:16.319 --> 00:45:19.319
view is is there going to be a net

00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:21.896
overall community be benefit to this?

00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.055
And and the answer to me is undeniably

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.616
yes. And the other one is is there going

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:29.416
to be an overall net economic benefit?

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.256
Well, I also believe the answer to that

00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:34.280
is yes. And so on those on those

00:45:34.319 --> 00:45:36.055
grounds, I will be supporting this

00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.055
amendment. Thank you, Mayor.

00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.496
Thank you, councelor Kats. Are there any

00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:41.416
other speakers for the motion?

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.055
Yes, councelor Martin. Um may look just

00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.496
should this amendment not be supported,

00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:47.176
I'll just foreshadow my support for the

00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:49.176
substantive just in case this is not

00:45:49.200 --> 00:45:51.656
supported. Um but yeah, for me this has

00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:53.656
been a challenging item to consider and

00:45:53.680 --> 00:45:55.176
and the way I've been looking at it is

00:45:55.200 --> 00:45:57.575
sort of the current need of um the

00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.496
applicant versus potentially future

00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:02.055
opportunity. Um, so I've really

00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.216
appreciated the input from counselors so

00:46:04.240 --> 00:46:06.216
far and I just wanted to uh sort of

00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:08.216
thank Sarah from Risky Kids for speaking

00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:10.536
tonight and the way in which Sarah um

00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:12.136
has approached this application with

00:46:12.160 --> 00:46:14.055
council. Sarah's been very patient,

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.616
determined, objective, and respectful in

00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:17.976
the process. I just want to say thank

00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.616
you. Um, so I've driven through this

00:46:20.640 --> 00:46:21.976
property and through the precinct and

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.736
even visited a depot down the road which

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.055
is the bottom end of uh Ridland Drive.

00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.016
So um while the proposed business

00:46:29.040 --> 00:46:31.016
offering classes and programs to develop

00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:32.776
children's physical literacy is a

00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.256
positive concept, we could consider it

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.496
could be proposed in the wrong location.

00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.295
So um so we we have recognized as the

00:46:40.319 --> 00:46:41.815
other council say it's in a regionally

00:46:41.839 --> 00:46:44.839
significant industrial land um and um

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.416
there's limited scope for more

00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.440
industrial land in our in our in our um

00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:53.560
city. So

00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.920
yes, sorry about that. Um, so I I just

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:01.095
want to make sure that um and I'm just

00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:02.856
trying to see some of the scenarios that

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.216
like this is an area industrial land

00:47:04.240 --> 00:47:05.416
where there's a lot of large trucks

00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.440
driving. So large trucks, semis,

00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:11.656
industrial trucks, tippers, um, a lot of

00:47:11.680 --> 00:47:13.176
traffic in that area that goes down to

00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:14.776
the bottom end. So I just want to make

00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.055
sure everyone's aware of that sort of

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.815
thing. and and and it with these

00:47:17.839 --> 00:47:19.496
amendments, I do hope with council

00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:20.936
standards put forward that these can

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.960
address these these safety issues. Um

00:47:25.359 --> 00:47:27.496
yeah, so not much to add. I I just want

00:47:27.520 --> 00:47:29.896
to say um

00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.736
you know I suppose as I said it's for me

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.055
it's just a decision around um current

00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.376
use and also what what we might need in

00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.456
the future. So I just wanted to raise a

00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.295
few of those points. Thank you may

00:47:40.319 --> 00:47:42.456
thank you council Martin. Are there any

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.976
further speakers in the motion?

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.295
Yes. Councelor Barker.

00:47:46.319 --> 00:47:47.896
Thanks, Mayor. Mayor, I'd just like to

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.575
make a couple of points and I hope it's

00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.536
additive to the debate and that is I

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:54.776
fully understand the concept of

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.416
preserving the purpose of this area

00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.416
under the zoning.

00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.736
That's important that areas are put

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.136
aside so that we have industrial uses

00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:06.216
and you'd know note the development of

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:07.815
Boxill. Madame Mayor, we don't have a

00:48:07.839 --> 00:48:09.976
service station in Boxill any longer,

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.000
but um we we can access others. Um but

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.496
the the point I want to make is about

00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:17.095
the importance of being a little bit

00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.496
open-minded with definitions and

00:48:19.520 --> 00:48:22.136
definitions here are important. Let me

00:48:22.160 --> 00:48:24.216
give you an example. Yes, this is an

00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:26.376
industrial area. So a small goods

00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.016
manufacturer knocking out lovely salamis

00:48:29.040 --> 00:48:32.040
could set up here, but by the industrial

00:48:32.160 --> 00:48:34.295
nature of it, they couldn't necessarily

00:48:34.319 --> 00:48:36.696
have a retail outlet out the front

00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:39.720
selling the salamis they make behind it.

00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:41.496
And the same indeed applies in the

00:48:41.520 --> 00:48:43.896
health uh precinct in Boxill Mayare

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.920
where specifically in the health and um

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.376
in the health precinct manufacturing and

00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.400
warehousing are prohibited. But in

00:48:53.680 --> 00:48:56.376
modern day in modern day medicine and in

00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.400
hospitals often manufacturing is really

00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.000
precise 3D printing of titanium bits

00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.736
that are inserted into people or indeed

00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.656
you know medical devices like pacemakers

00:49:07.680 --> 00:49:09.736
and defibrillators that might be stored

00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.295
for implantation into people might be

00:49:12.319 --> 00:49:14.616
the size of a shoe box. You might have a

00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:16.295
room which would count as a warehouse

00:49:16.319 --> 00:49:18.776
cuz it's got 4 million bucks worth of

00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.016
product in it but that would be

00:49:21.040 --> 00:49:23.095
specifically prohibited. So I think

00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.976
there's a degree of

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.776
um latitude provided to us as council

00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.856
here to think about making sure that we

00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.376
preserve it but be a little bit

00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.295
open-minded with the definitions. Thank

00:49:34.319 --> 00:49:35.976
you Mayor.

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.616
Thank you councelor Barker

00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:39.575
councela.

00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.136
Thank you Mayor. First I want to

00:49:42.160 --> 00:49:44.535
acknowledge that this is a family

00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.256
franchise business and a livelihood and

00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.815
I genuinely appreciate the intent behind

00:49:49.839 --> 00:49:52.616
the proposal. An indoor recreation

00:49:52.640 --> 00:49:54.696
facility that helps children build

00:49:54.720 --> 00:49:57.176
resilience, confidence, and emotional

00:49:57.200 --> 00:49:59.815
regulation is a valuable and much needed

00:49:59.839 --> 00:50:02.839
service. But as a counselor, I apply a

00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.256
simple principle, the right use in the

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.280
right location. On that basis, I am

00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.856
satisfied that officers have undertaken

00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.176
a thorough assessment of the application

00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:15.496
against the Whitehorse planning scheme

00:50:15.520 --> 00:50:17.256
and have reached the correct

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.736
recommendation.

00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.136
The strategic context is clear. The

00:50:22.160 --> 00:50:24.376
Melbourne Industrial and Commercial Land

00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.016
Use Plan identifies the Redland Estate

00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:29.335
as regionally significant industrial

00:50:29.359 --> 00:50:32.359
land supporting small and medium-sized

00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.480
industrial businesses. The proposed use

00:50:35.520 --> 00:50:37.256
would introduce a sensitive

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.976
child-focused activity into an area

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.976
specifically zoned and protected for

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.000
industrial operations. This site adjoins

00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.656
a heavy industrial use, shares

00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:49.976
accessways with warehouses, and is

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.656
designed for truck movements and

00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:53.976
loading. These are not conditions

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.376
compatible with a children's recreation

00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.856
facility, nor conditions industrial

00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.880
operators should be expected to modify.

00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.256
Planning policy is clear. The clauses

00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.496
relating to industrial land supply,

00:51:07.520 --> 00:51:09.736
sustainable industry, and regionally

00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.456
significant industrial land all seek to

00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.416
avoid non-industrial uses that erode

00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.815
industrial land or create land use

00:51:17.839 --> 00:51:20.839
conflict. The industrial 3 zone only

00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.656
supports non-industrial uses where they

00:51:23.680 --> 00:51:26.616
complement industrial activity and this

00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:29.496
proposal does not meet that test. Our

00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:31.815
industrial zones are fundamental to both

00:51:31.839 --> 00:51:34.055
the local and regional economy and

00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.079
protecting their integrity is essential.

00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.119
While a few non-industrial uses exist in

00:51:40.240 --> 00:51:42.456
the broader precinct, they were approved

00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.095
before the current strategic framework.

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.119
The policy landscape has shifted with

00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:50.456
industrial land supply tightening and

00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.055
with further potential loss of

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.456
industrial land in the Burwood SRL

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.535
precinct. Council has a heightened

00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.559
responsibility to protect what remains.

00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.496
Car parking is not the determinative

00:52:01.520 --> 00:52:04.055
issue here. Even if additional spaces

00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.376
were formalized, the fundamental concern

00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.856
is strategic alignment and land use

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.616
capability.

00:52:10.640 --> 00:52:13.176
Industrial land is scarce, strategically

00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:15.976
important and not easily replaced. This

00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.295
proposed use can be accommodated in many

00:52:18.319 --> 00:52:20.376
other zones. Industrial businesses,

00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.376
however, cannot simply relocate

00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.936
elsewhere. For these reasons, the use

00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.416
and location are not compatible and I do

00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:28.856
not support the alternative

00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.575
recommendation.

00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:33.016
Thank you, Council Willer. Are there any

00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:34.295
further speakers to the motion?

00:52:34.319 --> 00:52:35.496
Yes, Madame May.

00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:36.616
Thank you, Council Allen.

00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:37.896
Yes. Thank you, Madam May. I will be

00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.920
supporting the um the motion before us

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.280
for the notion to grant the permit. Um,

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.936
I'm not going to go over uh a lot of

00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.616
this lot of the main points have been

00:52:48.640 --> 00:52:50.535
made, but I think the community benefit

00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.616
is the the the item that I'm going to

00:52:52.640 --> 00:52:54.535
concentrate on. And I think that's it's

00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.616
I think that's been demonstrated that

00:52:56.640 --> 00:52:59.575
the the net community benefit of running

00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.599
this uh enterprise uh for for children

00:53:02.720 --> 00:53:05.256
and children and families uh is

00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.496
something that's it is very much needed

00:53:07.520 --> 00:53:10.520
in especially in this uh day and age. um

00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.696
the um and with with the amount of

00:53:14.720 --> 00:53:16.376
conditions there I think that'll be

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.856
easily able to be accommodated uh by the

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.880
applicant and um it will add to the

00:53:22.319 --> 00:53:24.295
actual operation of the of the

00:53:24.319 --> 00:53:27.319
enterprise. Um as has been said the um

00:53:28.160 --> 00:53:30.295
previous uh permits I think there's one

00:53:30.319 --> 00:53:32.936
for a uh dancing school and two

00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.960
education centers and they were granted

00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:39.240
uh prior to the Melbourne Industrial and

00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:42.376
Land Use Plan or Miklup whatever it's

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.295
called uh in the planning policy

00:53:44.319 --> 00:53:47.016
framework uh be that as it may that came

00:53:47.040 --> 00:53:49.815
out in in March 23 by the by the state

00:53:49.839 --> 00:53:52.136
government and uh that that was

00:53:52.160 --> 00:53:55.160
obviously had its purpose. Um, councelor

00:53:55.359 --> 00:53:57.896
will also raised the fact that the the

00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.920
Burwood uh SRL suburban rail loop

00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.496
precinct is

00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:05.815
there is will be loss of industrial land

00:54:05.839 --> 00:54:08.839
there. Um, now that's a state government

00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.376
uh proposal and therefore if they're

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.400
going to take away industrial land from

00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:19.016
this particular area, well well perhaps

00:54:19.040 --> 00:54:21.176
they could enforce

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:24.136
uh or you know to implement their plan

00:54:24.160 --> 00:54:27.160
to go out and purchase land and zone it

00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.376
industrial and create their own

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.400
industrial parks for uh industry to

00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.936
thrive uh in that instead of putting

00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.960
pressure back on to us uh in a reverse

00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:42.456
way that we should protect our

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.095
particular uh industrial land when

00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.256
they're taking it away from us. So I

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.656
suggest they uh take a leaf out of their

00:54:49.680 --> 00:54:52.456
own book and um perhaps they can start

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.856
purchasing land for industrial use in

00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.256
other parts either of this city or or

00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.280
other cities. Overall um u madame Mayor

00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:02.936
I think this this u has been

00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.335
demonstrated this enterprise should

00:55:05.359 --> 00:55:08.216
should be granted a permit and that it

00:55:08.240 --> 00:55:11.095
will be very much to the uh community

00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.496
benefit and it is for children for their

00:55:13.520 --> 00:55:15.176
physical literacy confidence and

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:17.496
resilience which I like about that and

00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:20.520
as I said in this day and age we need

00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:22.456
businesses and enterprises that support

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.480
children and families. I commend the

00:55:25.680 --> 00:55:28.680
motion and I also uh would like other

00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.256
councils to support the amended motion

00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:32.616
towards us this evening. Thank you,

00:55:32.640 --> 00:55:34.456
Madame May.

00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:35.815
Thank you, councelor Alan. Are there any

00:55:35.839 --> 00:55:37.176
further speakers to the motion?

00:55:37.200 --> 00:55:38.216
Yes, please. Mayor,

00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:39.256
councelor Gun.

00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.416
Thank you, Maya. Uh I'd want to start

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.976
with a few thank yous. Um I think it's

00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.496
really important to acknowledge that the

00:55:45.520 --> 00:55:48.136
officers that have done the work of uh

00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:51.160
rejecting the initial proposal are

00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.575
working diligently to the planning

00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.136
scheme. They are not out to curtail

00:55:56.160 --> 00:55:58.216
business. They're not not out to ruin

00:55:58.240 --> 00:56:00.216
people's lives. They are performing the

00:56:00.240 --> 00:56:02.295
function they are here to perform. And

00:56:02.319 --> 00:56:04.295
that's a really important thing to

00:56:04.319 --> 00:56:06.376
acknowledge in this chamber as it has

00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.936
been called in by council stenet. I do

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:11.016
want to call in I want to also thank

00:56:11.040 --> 00:56:13.016
you. Thank councelor Stennet for calling

00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:15.656
it in because as the first four words of

00:56:15.680 --> 00:56:17.335
this amendment state, we are the

00:56:17.359 --> 00:56:20.359
responsible authority and as it comes to

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.696
us, we need to make decisions in the

00:56:22.720 --> 00:56:25.095
best interest of our community. And

00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:26.696
whilst officers are charged with

00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:28.616
assessing according to the strict rules

00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:30.616
that we have, we need to make decisions

00:56:30.640 --> 00:56:33.640
in the interest of the community and in

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.656
the best interests of that community

00:56:35.680 --> 00:56:37.656
more generally.

00:56:37.680 --> 00:56:39.815
Thirdly, I want to thank Sarah for her

00:56:39.839 --> 00:56:41.815
advocacy on this issue, not only this

00:56:41.839 --> 00:56:43.736
evening, but also in the leadup to the

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.736
debate this evening. Um, furnishing us

00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.416
with a lot of information that has

00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.055
helped provide a context to this uh

00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.896
outside of what we obviously have been

00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.920
given in our uh council briefing notes.

00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.936
And I think it's really important to

00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:58.616
acknowledge all of those three

00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:00.775
components to this debate and obviously

00:57:00.799 --> 00:57:02.456
seconding there by councelor Davenport

00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.480
so we can get the debate happening uh so

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:07.736
that we can further appreciate what we

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:09.575
are here to do and we are here and it's

00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.176
I've heard councelor Barker mention this

00:57:11.200 --> 00:57:12.936
many times. We're here to improve

00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.616
people's lives. That is essentially what

00:57:14.640 --> 00:57:16.936
we are here to do. I look at the map as

00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:18.295
I always have my maps open in front of

00:57:18.319 --> 00:57:20.456
me because of the viewing where we are

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.136
across the city. We go from place to

00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:24.055
place and I can see Redland Drive

00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.295
reserve which is a council playground.

00:57:26.319 --> 00:57:28.456
We encourage kids to play in this

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.775
playground. It is not less than 30 m

00:57:30.799 --> 00:57:32.936
away from this application. It's the

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.535
same trucks go up and down the same

00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.775
street. So we talk about the safety of

00:57:36.799 --> 00:57:39.176
the people in this precinct. You know

00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:41.256
council Davenport mentioned this is

00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.016
right on the border of where our

00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:45.416
industrial land um ends and where where

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.055
other other uses apply. I think it's in

00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.856
our best interests across the across the

00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.736
the city to be encouraging institutions

00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.656
like this and and approve these type of

00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:58.295
applications um and not because the

00:57:58.319 --> 00:57:59.575
officers aren't doing their job

00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.136
correctly. They are 100% doing their job

00:58:02.160 --> 00:58:03.976
correctly, but we need to apply

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.000
flexibility uh where we can and where we

00:58:07.200 --> 00:58:08.456
should. And that's why I'll be

00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.176
supporting this amendment this evening.

00:58:11.200 --> 00:58:12.376
Thank you, Councelor G. Are there any

00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.936
other speakers to the motion?

00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.696
Given that there was someone speaking

00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:19.176
against you, councelor Sten, Stenant,

00:58:19.200 --> 00:58:21.815
you have the right of reply.

00:58:21.839 --> 00:58:23.656
Thank you, Mayor. Uh the principle of

00:58:23.680 --> 00:58:25.815
right use, right location is an

00:58:25.839 --> 00:58:28.136
important one and I don't dis I don't

00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:30.376
disagree with it. The key issue is how

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:31.976
it is applied in a zone like the

00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.976
industrial tree zone under the our

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.496
planning scheme which is specifically

00:58:35.520 --> 00:58:37.815
intended to accommodate a broader mix of

00:58:37.839 --> 00:58:40.136
low impact and discretionary uses where

00:58:40.160 --> 00:58:42.295
compatibility can be managed. In this

00:58:42.319 --> 00:58:44.376
context, right use right location does

00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.616
not mean only traditional industrial

00:58:46.640 --> 00:58:49.016
activity. It means ensuring your use is

00:58:49.040 --> 00:58:50.696
appropriately scaled, controlled and

00:58:50.720 --> 00:58:53.095
does not unreasonably impact surrounding

00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.815
industrial operations. The industrial 3

00:58:55.839 --> 00:58:58.775
zone is is designed as a transition and

00:58:58.799 --> 00:59:01.176
buffer area where a range of compatible

00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:04.136
uses can coexist alongside industry with

00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:06.456
conditions managing amenity, traffic and

00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:08.856
operational impacts. The proposal is

00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:10.535
indoor, low inensity, entirely

00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:12.535
controlled with capp patron numbers and

00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.936
limited hours. It does not remove

00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.496
industrial land or displays industrial

00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:19.896
activity. So the question for me is not

00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.896
whether it is purely industrial but

00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.055
whether it can operate compatibly. In

00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.216
this case, I believe it can. From a

00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:29.016
planning perspective, the industrial 3

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:31.256
zone is more suitable than activity

00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:32.936
centers for example that are that are

00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:34.456
prioritized for the retail and

00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.775
residential intensification.

00:59:36.799 --> 00:59:38.456
more suitable than the recreational

00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:40.216
community zones which are typically

00:59:40.240 --> 00:59:42.376
reserved for public or government uses

00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.616
and more suitable than higher intensity

00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:47.176
industrial uses zones one and two where

00:59:47.200 --> 00:59:49.416
freight and heavy industrial operations

00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:50.856
would increase conflict with the

00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.575
recreational use. So those people that

00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.136
say well it's not right location well if

00:59:56.160 --> 00:59:59.160
not here where um this is actually

00:59:59.520 --> 01:00:01.256
probably the best place for it. If you

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.416
look around Melbourne or anywhere else,

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.335
these types of centers are typically

01:00:05.359 --> 01:00:08.359
located in industrial zones in in tin

01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.575
sheds. Um there's a reason for it. So

01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.976
councilors, um please support uh this

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.000
amendment.

01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:19.976
I now put the motion. Please keep your

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.656
hands up in the air as I call your name.

01:00:21.680 --> 01:00:24.295
All those in favor, councelor Allen,

01:00:24.319 --> 01:00:26.055
councelor Gun, councelor Davenport,

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.376
councelor Simpson, councelor Langford,

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.616
councelor Stennet, councelor Cuts,

01:00:30.640 --> 01:00:32.856
Councelor Martin, and councelor Barker.

01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.095
Those against councelor Weller, the

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.119
motion is carried.

01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.760
We are now moving on to item 10.4

01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:45.416
once councelor Griffith returns to the

01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.440
room.

01:00:54.640 --> 01:00:57.496
We're now moving on to item 10.4.

01:00:57.520 --> 01:01:00.520
Council owned L land 37 Bennett Street,

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.496
Forest Hill and 25 Mountain View Road,

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:05.736
Nanawading. Could I have a counselor

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.760
move the item, please?

01:01:09.040 --> 01:01:10.856
Mayor, I understood as a point of

01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.880
procedure that um we voted to um change

01:01:14.799 --> 01:01:17.496
the agenda and have 10.6 moved up. Moved

01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:17.736
on.

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.575
No, no, no. The um request from

01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.599
councelor Griffith was 10.3 10.4 and

01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:26.200
then 10.6.

01:01:26.640 --> 01:01:27.896
Um

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that correct?

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Thank you Griffus.

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Okay,

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we now move on to item 10.4 council

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council owned land 37 Bennett Street

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Forest Hill and 25 Mountain View Road

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Nanowati.

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Move Mayor.

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Thank you councelor Wella. Someone

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second please.

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Yes ma'am.

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Councelor Martin. Council Weller,

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sorry, it won't be a moment. Mayor

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cuz all my notes are out of order now.

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Um, this report considers the proposed

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sale of two councilowned properties.

01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.376
Both sites have been assessed through

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.856
our strategic property framework, which

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.256
guides how we manage, retain, or dispose

01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.656
of assets to support long-term service

01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:12.616
delivery and community benefit. The

01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:14.535
assessment found that neither property

01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:16.616
is required for current or future

01:02:16.640 --> 01:02:19.335
council services. Both facilities are

01:02:19.359 --> 01:02:21.416
vacant, would require significant

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:23.976
investment to repurpose, and are not

01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.616
identified in any strategic plan or the

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:29.496
community infrastructure plan. In short,

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:32.376
they are surplus to need. In accordance

01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.696
with the local government act, council

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undertook public notice and community

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engagement. We received 177 submissions

01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:43.496
and I want to acknowledge the time,

01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:45.575
care, and interest shown by community

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members and groups. Feedback differed

01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.480
between the two sites. The 37 Bennett

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Street views were mixed but lean

01:02:53.359 --> 01:02:56.055
slightly towards supporting a sale. Some

01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.976
respondents suggested alternative

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community uses, including social housing

01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.256
or community group accommodation.

01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:05.416
Officers assessed these options

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.976
thoroughly. The building's residential

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:09.815
layout, condition, and the scale of

01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:12.839
upgrades required mean repurposing it is

01:03:13.040 --> 01:03:15.976
neither practical nor cost effective.

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.295
Retaining it would also incur ongoing

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holding costs without service benefit.

01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.575
For 25 Mountain View Road, feedback was

01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.815
stronger and more concentrated.

01:03:25.839 --> 01:03:28.055
Community groups raised concerns about

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accommodation needs, neighborhood

01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.535
character, and the future of the site.

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Heritage questions were also raised.

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Officers have reviewed these matters

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carefully. The building has been

01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.856
assessed and does not have sufficient

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.696
heritage integrity to warrant

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protection. Any future development would

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still be subject to the usual planning

01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:50.456
controls that apply to all private land.

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Across both sites, a consistent theme

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emerged. The community wants confidence

01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:57.095
that the sale of public land is

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transparent, justified, and reinvested

01:03:59.839 --> 01:04:02.295
into community priorities. that

01:04:02.319 --> 01:04:05.256
expectation is entirely reasonable. The

01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.575
strategic property framework exists for

01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:09.896
this purpose to ensure decisions are

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.456
evidence-based, financially responsible,

01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.095
and aligned with the council plan.

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Selling surplus assets reduces ongoing

01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.656
maintenance and holding costs and

01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:21.976
releases value that can be reinvested

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into higher priority services and

01:04:24.319 --> 01:04:25.815
infrastructure.

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Retaining these sites by contrast would

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require significant capital investment

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without a clear service need. The

01:04:33.359 --> 01:04:35.256
recommended approach is consistent with

01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.496
the framework, consistent with the act,

01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:40.055
and consistent with good governance. It

01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.456
also recognizes the feedback received,

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.456
particularly the need to support groups

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looking for new homes, and that work

01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.095
will continue. This is ultimately a

01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:51.095
decision about responsible stewardship

01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.656
of public assets. These properties no

01:04:53.680 --> 01:04:55.976
longer serve a current or future service

01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.055
purpose and their sale will allow

01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.456
council to redirect resources to where

01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.376
they can deliver greater community

01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.535
benefit. For these reasons, I support

01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.095
the recommendation.

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Thank you, councelor Willer. Councelor

01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:09.656
Martin.

01:05:09.680 --> 01:05:11.335
Thank you, Mayor. Um, Mayor, I support

01:05:11.359 --> 01:05:13.896
this recommendation 10.4 concerning the

01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.216
proposed sale of council own land at 37

01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:17.976
Bennett Street, Forest Hill, and 25

01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.136
Mountain View Road, Nawading. As per

01:05:20.160 --> 01:05:21.976
council Weller, this approach is

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.976
supported by council strategic property

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:25.736
framework which has independently

01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.815
assessed these sites as surplus to our

01:05:27.839 --> 01:05:30.616
current and future need delivery needs.

01:05:30.640 --> 01:05:32.936
37 Bennis Street is a vacant residential

01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.176
dwelling and 25 Mountain View Road, the

01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:36.616
former Mountain View College has been

01:05:36.640 --> 01:05:39.256
unoccupied since 2024.

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.936
Crucially, the Mountain View site is

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.535
located only 3 kilometers from the

01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.376
Nutawaning Community Hub, which is our

01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.696
modern purpose-built facility designed

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:48.535
to facilitate connected community

01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:50.216
services.

01:05:50.240 --> 01:05:52.295
 so May, I did have one resident

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reach out and ask why 37 Bennett Street

01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:56.696
isn't being used for emergency or crisis

01:05:56.720 --> 01:05:58.616
accommodation, but as we know, this

01:05:58.640 --> 01:06:00.376
property is in need for renovation and

01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:01.815
works that bring this property up to

01:06:01.839 --> 01:06:04.055
modern building standards and codes,

01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.456
especially related to accessibility as

01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:07.976
they are important in our community. And

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:09.416
I thank that resident who took an

01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:10.856
interest in cancel assets. It's great

01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:12.616
that we have people looking out and and

01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:13.896
making sure our assets are getting

01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.376
worked. So may if we retain these

01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.055
properties without a clear plan for

01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:19.496
beneficial community use, this would be

01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:21.656
a failure of managing council assets and

01:06:21.680 --> 01:06:23.736
financial stewardship. Holding on to

01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.736
these sites results in ongoing cost for

01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.736
maintenance, insurance, etc. without

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providing any tangible services service

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benefit to our residents. By proceeding

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with a competitive and transparent

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public sale process, we can release the

01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:39.176
value held in these underutilized assets

01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:41.575
and reinvest those funds into our

01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:43.496
community projects that align with our

01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:45.736
council plan. I would like to

01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:48.376
acknowledge the 177 community members

01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:49.976
who provided feedback during our

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.616
consultation. We really appreciate it.

01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:54.216
We've heard the concerns regarding the

01:06:54.240 --> 01:06:56.216
accommodation needs of local groups such

01:06:56.240 --> 01:06:58.616
as the Vermont men's shed. Um so this

01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:00.376
motion is not a dismissal of those

01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.696
needs. Council is committed to working

01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:04.216
with affected groups to support

01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:06.136
appropriate transition planning and find

01:07:06.160 --> 01:07:08.136
suitable alternatives.

01:07:08.160 --> 01:07:10.295
This recommend recommendation allows us

01:07:10.319 --> 01:07:11.896
to manage our property portfolio

01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:13.896
efficiently and sustainably for the

01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.295
well-being of our entire city. I urge my

01:07:16.319 --> 01:07:18.055
fellow councilors to support this

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.896
motion. Thank you.

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Thank you, Council Martin. Would anyone

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:22.936
else like to speak to the motion?

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:24.295
Mayor, I have an amendment.

01:07:24.319 --> 01:07:25.736
Councelor Griffith, could that amendment

01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.976
be please be put up on the screen? Can

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.815
you explain it quickly, please? uh just

01:07:29.839 --> 01:07:32.216
about redirecting uh proceeds from a

01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:35.240
sale to a specific category.

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.736
Thank you, councelor Griffith. Would

01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:38.055
someone

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Yes, happy to.

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Thank you, Council Katz. Council

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.616
Griffith.

01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:45.640
Uh oh. Oh, sorry. Council Weller, are

01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:48.456
you happy with this amendment to be

01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:49.095
debated?

01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.535
No, Mayor.

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Okay. Council Griffith.

01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.119
Thanks, Mayor. Um I I I didn't think I'd

01:07:56.799 --> 01:07:58.856
be supportive of the original

01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.656
recommendation. So I've tried to um be

01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:04.680
pragmatic and think of how can I get

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.015
something across that will help people

01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:09.256
feel a bit more comfortable with this.

01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.416
So if we're going to sell off council

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.440
properties, um I would like to see the

01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:17.480
revenue that from from those sales uh be

01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.215
redirected into other capital

01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.056
improvements. Specifically, an area that

01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:24.775
has been one of great discussion of the

01:08:24.799 --> 01:08:26.856
council group is privately constructed

01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:28.376
buildings on council land. Now, these

01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:31.255
are council assets. They're on our

01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.056
books. Um, but it's not really a clear

01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:36.135
plan how we renew things like bowls

01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:37.735
club, tennis club, and how that's going

01:08:37.759 --> 01:08:39.735
to work into the long-term future. So,

01:08:39.759 --> 01:08:42.759
this um I think I'll steal a phrase from

01:08:44.400 --> 01:08:45.976
another council meeting. This puts the

01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.295
first stake in the ground. It's the

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.319
first step towards um having a solution

01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:53.655
um for maintaining those those

01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:55.655
buildings.

01:08:55.679 --> 01:08:57.496
And I think the risk is if we're selling

01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:59.655
off council property, we've got

01:08:59.679 --> 01:09:01.735
projections of increasing population.

01:09:01.759 --> 01:09:03.255
You might think we need more community

01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.335
assets, more buildings for those people

01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:08.135
to um come together and recreate

01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.159
indoors.

01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:13.255
So the risk the risk is that this

01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.815
council could be looked at as selling

01:09:15.839 --> 01:09:17.896
off public assets and that revenue goes

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.536
into the general pool of council

01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.560
funding. Um that might go to

01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.319
increasing staff salaries over time or a

01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.239
range of other other places um that that

01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.456
I think we should be keen to control. Uh

01:09:34.480 --> 01:09:36.376
so I'd like to specifically allocate

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:38.536
that when we sell off council buildings,

01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.096
council property

01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:43.416
that we also keep the the benefits from

01:09:43.440 --> 01:09:46.376
that um should also be kept in the same

01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:48.295
similar sort of category. So these are

01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:51.016
public assets. I view these buildings as

01:09:51.040 --> 01:09:54.040
belonging to the community

01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.600
and the the risk is that that once

01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.695
they're sold the community no longer see

01:10:00.719 --> 01:10:03.256
the benefit. it just disappears

01:10:03.280 --> 01:10:05.736
into council's accounting into this

01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.760
black hole operational or other purpose.

01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:11.655
Um so what this motion is trying to do

01:10:11.679 --> 01:10:14.679
is something relatively new.

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.376
Put the focus on the these specific

01:10:18.400 --> 01:10:21.400
areas of capital works for buildings on

01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:23.175
council lands but we don't really have a

01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.576
great plan for. They're across all of

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:26.936
our wards. They're across the

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:28.456
municipality.

01:10:28.480 --> 01:10:30.376
um it's time that we start um thinking

01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:32.215
about how how do we allocate funding to

01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:33.896
that. There's a range of places that

01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:36.296
could happen, but I'm quite keen to see

01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:38.936
that the loss of assets, the loss of

01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.856
these assets to the community are

01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.880
reinvested into a similar area.

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.376
Um that's all, ma'am.

01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:47.816
Thank you, Council Griffith. Councelor

01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:48.456
Katz.

01:10:48.480 --> 01:10:50.135
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. And I love

01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.296
this um amendment. I think this is

01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:54.056
absolutely fantastic. There hasn't been

01:10:54.080 --> 01:10:56.056
enough money, in my opinion, invested in

01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:57.816
our privately constructed buildings on

01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.135
council land over the last 10 years that

01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:02.376
I've been on council. And we're talking

01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:04.296
about guide halls. We're talking about

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:06.296
scout halls. We're talking about tennis

01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:09.016
clubs, bowls clubs. Now, I'm not sure

01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:11.175
about other counselors in this room, but

01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.576
I have in the last month had two of my

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.056
scout clubs coming to me talking about

01:11:16.080 --> 01:11:18.695
capital works in their scout halls. I

01:11:18.719 --> 01:11:21.096
have my tennis club and my bowls club

01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:23.336
asking about that. And these is these

01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:24.616
are some of the things which are very

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:26.856
real because a lot of these buildings

01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.576
were built in about the 1960s.

01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.056
And so they're coming to a point in time

01:11:32.080 --> 01:11:34.135
where they're needing work, quite a

01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.135
significant amount of work done to them.

01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.215
And I think this is a great way of

01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.695
raising the profile of these building

01:11:40.719 --> 01:11:43.496
types in our municipality. They're not

01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.215
the whisbang brand new pavilions that we

01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:48.456
talk about and which is great. We've got

01:11:48.480 --> 01:11:50.536
to do that as well. But these are these

01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.560
are largely um buildings which are the

01:11:54.480 --> 01:11:57.480
smaller not so loud groups you know your

01:11:57.760 --> 01:11:59.256
tennis clubs don't have the same

01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:01.496
capacity you know number of patronage as

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.256
your football clubs or your cricket

01:12:03.280 --> 01:12:05.736
clubs um and particularly your guides

01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:07.576
and your scouts. So these are some of

01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.135
the organizations who we are quieter

01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:12.456
residents who don't have so much to say

01:12:12.480 --> 01:12:14.536
but I think we should be supporting

01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.256
these um and this is a very good avenue

01:12:17.280 --> 01:12:18.936
to do so and I commend councelor

01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.135
Griffith for bringing this to the

01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.856
council chamber. Thank you Mayor.

01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:23.256
Mayor

01:12:23.280 --> 01:12:25.736
thank you councelor cuts um council

01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.016
barker.

01:12:27.040 --> 01:12:29.016
May I've got a question

01:12:29.040 --> 01:12:30.376
please ask.

01:12:30.400 --> 01:12:32.135
Thanks Mayor. Look, obviously a little

01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:33.896
bit um limited with my resource

01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:35.496
availability here, but um my

01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:36.936
understanding and I can't check it

01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:38.536
because I'm talking to you on the

01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:40.776
computer that I'd usually use is that

01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.496
the policy that we rely on for this

01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:45.896
asset recycling means that the revenue

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.296
goes into the development reserve and

01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:50.215
that special development reserve goes

01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.056
towards a new swimming pool or a new

01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:53.655
basketball court and that sort of stuff.

01:12:53.679 --> 01:12:56.536
Anyway, wondering if Mr. um Ken might be

01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:57.816
able to comment on that. Mayor,

01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.840
Mr. Can

01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:02.616
uh thank you Mayor. Good evening to

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.695
councilors and the community. Uh the

01:13:04.719 --> 01:13:07.655
development reserve is is as per our

01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:10.679
most recent budgets uh is to be applied

01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.600
for uh one or two specific proceeds and

01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.215
the proceeds of other sales will not be

01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.239
diverted to our development reserve.

01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.256
Thank you Mr. K. Would any would you

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:26.856
like to speak to the motion? Councelor

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.175
Barker,

01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:30.776
would anyone else like to speak to the

01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.616
amendment? May,

01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:33.576
Councelor Martin,

01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.600
I was just I've already spoken, but um

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:40.199
Okay, no problem. I will. Um

01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:44.376
I was just going to say I just um I do

01:13:44.400 --> 01:13:47.400
like the premise behind it, but um I I

01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.776
just think linking getting revenue from

01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:52.215
one and putting it to a certain thing is

01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.135
a bit limiting. I I would rather not

01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:56.456
limit the council. So I think if we need

01:13:56.480 --> 01:13:58.296
to spend money on certain areas which

01:13:58.320 --> 01:14:00.376
which warrant spending that should just

01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:02.695
go through the normal budget process. So

01:14:02.719 --> 01:14:05.096
for me I would like to see item six

01:14:05.120 --> 01:14:08.120
voted on separately and and the rest

01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.096
amendment.

01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:13.655
Yep. Yep.

01:14:13.679 --> 01:14:16.456
Mr. Madame May just a question Alan

01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:18.616
clarification. I didn't quite get what

01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.576
Mr. K said the the proceeds assuming

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.336
this goes ahead and the properties are

01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:25.816
sold where do the funds go to

01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:27.256
Mr. Khan

01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:29.896
thank you Mayor the proceeds for the

01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.576
sale of these properties if they

01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.456
transpire will not be diverted towards

01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:36.456
the development reserve

01:14:36.480 --> 01:14:39.016
general revenues

01:14:39.040 --> 01:14:42.040
so through you may go into our general

01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:44.296
cash funds

01:14:44.320 --> 01:14:46.296
thank thank you Mr. Can

01:14:46.320 --> 01:14:48.056
would you like to speak to the motion?

01:14:48.080 --> 01:14:49.256
Councelor Allen.

01:14:49.280 --> 01:14:50.695
Madame Mayor, I was uh sorry,

01:14:50.719 --> 01:14:51.416
the amendment.

01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:53.655
The amen the Yeah, the purple part. Yes.

01:14:53.679 --> 01:14:56.536
Uh Madame May, I was um uh ing anding

01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.536
about this one, but I think you look it

01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.456
it's I think I see the merits of the

01:15:00.480 --> 01:15:03.480
report in this and I uh and I think

01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:05.896
councelor Cuts has sort of convinced me

01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.920
that the fact that you know there are uh

01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:11.175
you know we are talking we have spoken

01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:12.936
about scout halls and tennis clubs and

01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.960
things of that sort. Well, you know, um

01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:18.856
uh it may be that may there may be some

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.655
merits in going to those funds towards

01:15:21.679 --> 01:15:24.679
that I if if it's if it's that uh if

01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.695
council so decides, but I think you know

01:15:26.719 --> 01:15:28.456
it's it's a report and I'd like to see

01:15:28.480 --> 01:15:31.480
the the outcome. Thank you, Madame May.

01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:35.736
Thank you, Councelor Ellen. Would anyone

01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:37.016
else like to speak to the

01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:39.256
Yes, Mayor. Coun.

01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:40.056
Yes, Mayor.

01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:41.655
Councelor Davenport.

01:15:41.679 --> 01:15:43.416
Oh, thank you, Mayor. Um I I'm

01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:46.376
supporting the um seeking of a report to

01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:49.400
see what we can do um with u uh funds

01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:53.416
should these um particular sites being

01:15:53.440 --> 01:15:55.976
uh be sold. I am concerned when I heard

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.000
that if we if we do proceed to uh get

01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.936
value for the properties um that it

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:04.936
doesn't go to our development reserve

01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:06.936
and it just goes into cash holdings.

01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.655
When we're exiting out of a capital

01:16:09.679 --> 01:16:12.215
facility, it's giving up that beneficial

01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:14.936
use forever. And I don't want to see

01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.736
those types of funds going into

01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.056
operational matters

01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:22.456
like dumpling tours. I don't want to see

01:16:22.480 --> 01:16:25.480
that. I want to see our capital

01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:29.080
equipment, capital sales going into

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:32.760
future um future uses um for the longer

01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.816
term intergenerational

01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:40.840
benefit of the community. Now,

01:16:41.360 --> 01:16:43.655
I might put up a motion saying all of

01:16:43.679 --> 01:16:45.496
these sales have to go through to the

01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.520
development reserve. Um and maybe maybe

01:16:48.719 --> 01:16:51.336
it might be an amendment um if this one

01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:53.416
doesn't get up, but we should be

01:16:53.440 --> 01:16:55.816
starting with a report right now to say

01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.840
should we be um quarantining these funds

01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.199
to put that into a special place where

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:06.215
we're going to have a problem.

01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:07.655
We're going to have a problem on

01:17:07.679 --> 01:17:09.496
privately constructed buildings on

01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.520
council land and and we should be

01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.416
starting to provision for that. Um it's

01:17:15.440 --> 01:17:18.440
not saying to cut to quarantine it right

01:17:18.480 --> 01:17:21.480
now. It's to look at that as a way to be

01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.616
able to fund that particular gap.

01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.096
Councilors, um I urge your support to

01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:29.496
seek a report. It's our role here is to

01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.520
look at how we use our our funds and I'm

01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:36.199
and um and uh so urge you to support

01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:38.695
that. And depending on where this

01:17:38.719 --> 01:17:40.296
amendment goes, I might be putting one

01:17:40.320 --> 01:17:43.320
in to say development reserve gets this

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.000
um gets funds for capital equipment into

01:17:47.440 --> 01:17:49.256
the future cuz I was under the

01:17:49.280 --> 01:17:50.776
understanding

01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.175
that asset sales get reinvested back

01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:56.199
into the development reserves.

01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:59.016
I was wrong in my assumption. So now I'm

01:17:59.040 --> 01:18:00.776
going to have to write something into

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.096
our into the resolution tonight. Thank

01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:04.456
you.

01:18:04.480 --> 01:18:05.896
Thank you, Councelor Davenport. Would

01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.496
anyone else like to speak to

01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.496
Council Stennet? I'd like to support

01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:12.520
this amendment. Um, council cut said

01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.175
when a lot of these buildings were built

01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.416
a long time ago,  they were put

01:18:17.440 --> 01:18:19.496
together by well-meaning volunteers,

01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.520
trades people at the time. Um, and you

01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:25.576
just can't do that now. Um, things have

01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:27.816
changed so much that, um, these

01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.376
buildings have to be professionally um,

01:18:30.400 --> 01:18:31.816
basically it's knocked down and rebuilt

01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:34.215
virtually. And um it costs so much that

01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:37.239
these clubs operating and guides, scout

01:18:37.440 --> 01:18:39.016
halls, tennis clubs, bowling clubs, they

01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:40.616
they don't have the capacity to pay

01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.056
millions and millions of dollars for a

01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:45.080
new facility. Um so we're I think

01:18:45.360 --> 01:18:47.016
councelor Davenport said we're we're

01:18:47.040 --> 01:18:49.256
heading towards or going towards uh this

01:18:49.280 --> 01:18:52.280
point where we we are we're beyond the

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:54.936
point where we we need to be acting. Um

01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.256
these facilities are in a parlor state

01:18:57.280 --> 01:18:59.096
some of them. U we're just fixing up

01:18:59.120 --> 01:19:01.256
what's broken broken. Uh it wasn't that

01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:02.776
long ago the council spent some money

01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.416
fixing up uh Mitchum Bowling Club. We

01:19:05.440 --> 01:19:06.456
replaced the roof because there were

01:19:06.480 --> 01:19:08.376
psums that got in and you know caused

01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:10.135
lots of damage and all sorts of things.

01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:11.816
And that's not the only thing it needs

01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.840
but and to be and to some extent um

01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.175
we're throwing good money after bad in

01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.496
the way by just doing things in a peace

01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.736
meal fashion. We really need a plan to

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:26.376
to look at these buildings in a holistic

01:19:26.400 --> 01:19:28.695
sense and actually start a program to

01:19:28.719 --> 01:19:30.936
actually um redevelop them, knock down

01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.960
and rebuild and and get um some use out

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.016
of them from the community. Um so

01:19:37.040 --> 01:19:39.896
absolutely support this. Um we need to

01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.215
start somewhere. This is going to be um

01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:43.736
this the sale from this is going to be a

01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.496
drop in the ocean compared to how much

01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:47.336
is really needed, but we've got to start

01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:49.576
somewhere. And I completely agree with

01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.376
councelor Devport that um don't know

01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:54.695
what he's I don't know his example but

01:19:54.719 --> 01:19:57.655
um the the premise um of not putting

01:19:57.679 --> 01:19:59.576
into services and and putting into

01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:01.736
capital um to me makes a lot of sense

01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.296
for um some longevity to get something

01:20:04.320 --> 01:20:06.776
for our community. Uh so absolutely

01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:09.416
support this amendment.

01:20:09.440 --> 01:20:10.936
Thank you councelor Senate. Would anyone

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:12.296
else like to speak to the amendment?

01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:13.016
Yes, Mayor.

01:20:13.040 --> 01:20:14.135
Councelor Simpson.

01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:17.159
Thank you Mayor. I had a meeting with um

01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.896
a group in my ward a couple of weeks

01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.536
ago. They are in a uh building on

01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.560
council property and they asked me

01:20:25.679 --> 01:20:27.496
where's our licensing and licensing

01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.016
policy.

01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:31.016
I said to them, we're working through

01:20:31.040 --> 01:20:32.936
it.

01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:34.695
But as been iterated tonight, one of the

01:20:34.719 --> 01:20:36.296
reasons why it is unfortunately taking

01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:37.896
so long to work through is because we

01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.616
really do have a wicked problem of how

01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.640
we are going to deal with helping these

01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:45.896
uh these groups who have their buildings

01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.920
on council loan land. And whilst we are

01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:53.576
doing our very best to work through the

01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:55.416
issue and to come up with some policies

01:20:55.440 --> 01:20:57.336
that do the right thing by the

01:20:57.360 --> 01:20:58.936
community, these communities are sitting

01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.960
there waiting and waiting and waiting.

01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:04.616
And so the time the time frame of this

01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.640
problem is part of the issue for me. And

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.336
we know that part of the issue is of

01:21:09.360 --> 01:21:10.215
course where are we going to get the

01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.856
money? If we do want to potentially

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.736
support these types of organizations uh

01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:17.576
with their capital expenditure, we

01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:18.616
obviously have to get the money from

01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.640
somewhere. So we constantly hear uh in

01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.576
debates about needing to be a bit more

01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:24.776
imaginative. Well, this is an

01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.256
imaginative way. I don't know what the

01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:28.856
outcome of this report will be. Maybe it

01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.576
will come to us and say uh it's a really

01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.096
bad idea and list a whole bunch of

01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:34.376
reasons. Maybe it will come and say it's

01:21:34.400 --> 01:21:35.816
a great idea and list a whole bunch of

01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:37.336
reasons. I have no idea what's going to

01:21:37.360 --> 01:21:39.416
come to us. But I do know we need to

01:21:39.440 --> 01:21:41.256
think outside the box because we have

01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:42.536
community groups and we have

01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:44.536
organizations in our communities that

01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:47.336
are depending on us. They are depending

01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:49.416
on us to put a little bit of pedal to

01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:51.336
the metal and to get some policies out

01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:53.576
the door so they have certainty and they

01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.416
know what they're doing. And part of

01:21:55.440 --> 01:21:57.016
that is we have to try and solve the

01:21:57.040 --> 01:21:59.175
money problem. So I commend councelor

01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:00.776
Griffith for bringing this uh amendment

01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:02.936
to us tonight and I urge councilors to

01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:04.296
please support it and see what the

01:22:04.320 --> 01:22:06.695
report says.

01:22:06.719 --> 01:22:08.135
Thank you councelor Simpson. Are there

01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:09.736
any further speakers to the amendment?

01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:11.175
Uh yes, Mayor.

01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:12.296
Council.

01:22:12.320 --> 01:22:15.256
Uh I certainly acknowledge that there is

01:22:15.280 --> 01:22:18.056
a broad overarching issue to do with

01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:20.135
privately constructed buildings on

01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:22.856
council land. I do agree that needs an

01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.880
overarching strategy. I just think in

01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:29.256
this particular context um seeking a

01:22:29.280 --> 01:22:32.056
report restricting us um is a different

01:22:32.080 --> 01:22:34.695
matter. It's actually locking us in to

01:22:34.719 --> 01:22:36.856
how we deal with revenue from these

01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:39.496
potential sales. That bit I do not

01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.135
support. I do agree that we do need an

01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:44.215
overarching strategy for how we deal

01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.615
with those other assets, but I think we

01:22:46.639 --> 01:22:48.376
can deal with that in another manner,

01:22:48.400 --> 01:22:51.096
ideally through the budget. Thank you.

01:22:51.120 --> 01:22:53.416
As so, I do not support this amendment.

01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:55.576
Thank you, council.

01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:57.496
Are there any further speakers to the

01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:58.536
amendment?

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.336
Yes, ma'am.

01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:02.536
Council Gun.

01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:03.736
Yes, I haven't spoken.

01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:05.496
No, I was just I was just checking.

01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:07.655
 so I just wanted to make a couple of

01:23:07.679 --> 01:23:08.936
points. Firstly, I just want to be clear

01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:10.215
and I know it's going to come back to us

01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.776
in a report, but I assume revenue from

01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.016
strategic property sales is not all

01:23:15.040 --> 01:23:17.416
strategic property sales. It's sales of

01:23:17.440 --> 01:23:19.816
this type of nature. U, for instance, if

01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.840
it were to be this property we're in now

01:23:23.120 --> 01:23:25.496
or, you know,  Silver Grove down the

01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.416
road, that's quite a large amount of

01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:28.936
money that we're potentially diverting

01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.896
to a specific use. Uh so it's I just

01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:33.016
want to make sure that it's very clear

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:35.016
what that report comes back to us. I I

01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:36.695
don't think that was the purpose of uh

01:23:36.719 --> 01:23:39.336
councelor Griffith's um motion but um if

01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:41.896
it's all strategic property sales that

01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.695
does limit us quite significantly as um

01:23:44.719 --> 01:23:46.936
councelor Weller has indicated. So I'm

01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:48.776
more than happy to hear a report and and

01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:50.376
I'm very keen to get a report on this

01:23:50.400 --> 01:23:51.816
but I just want to be very clear as to

01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:53.736
what we're actually asking for and that

01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:56.760
it's actually um it's informative as

01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.615
opposed to well it's railroading us down

01:23:58.639 --> 01:24:01.576
a particular path. So, um I I think of

01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:03.816
there are many examples in sure in all

01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:05.576
of our wards where there are former

01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:08.135
council assets that are um potentially

01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:09.976
dormant or potentially of of this type

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.576
of nature, single property sites that

01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:13.576
could potentially be repurposed and that

01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.600
money repurposed uh to to good use um if

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.496
they're no longer deemed fit for purpose

01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:21.896
as the case. The officer report came

01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:24.920
back on this um uh motion, the

01:24:25.120 --> 01:24:27.096
substantive motion. Um, but I just

01:24:27.120 --> 01:24:28.695
wanted to make that point because how

01:24:28.719 --> 01:24:30.376
it's worded is strategic property sales

01:24:30.400 --> 01:24:32.215
covers all strategic property sales and

01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.239
that could be quite a lot of money.

01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.096
Thank you councelor Gun. Are there any

01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:40.120
further speakers to this amendment?

01:24:40.320 --> 01:24:42.615
Given that there are no further speakers

01:24:42.639 --> 01:24:45.639
and you have no right of reply, I will

01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:48.760
put this amendment to the c the chamber.

01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:51.736
Those in favor,

01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:54.296
councelor Allen, councelor Dav C, sorry,

01:24:54.320 --> 01:24:55.896
council Allen, councelor Griffith,

01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:57.576
councelor Gun, councelor Davenport,

01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.536
councelor Simpson, councelor Stennet,

01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.376
and councelor Cuts. Those against,

01:25:02.400 --> 01:25:04.215
councelor Weller, councelor Lenford, and

01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:06.615
councelor Martin

01:25:06.639 --> 01:25:09.639
and councelor Barker. The motion is

01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:11.976
sorry, the amendment is carried. We now

01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:13.816
return to debate on the substantive with

01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:15.816
the amendment included.

01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:17.576
Would anyone like to speak to the amend

01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.175
the substantive? Yes, Mayor.

01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:20.056
Councelor Simpson.

01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:22.615
Thank you, Mayor. And there's a couple

01:25:22.639 --> 01:25:23.976
of points in the report, councilors,

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.215
that I just want to take us back to. 

01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:28.376
and that is, um, as council Weller

01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:30.936
outlined, um, excellently in her opening

01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.416
speech about the amount of engagement

01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:34.776
we've had on the sale of these

01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:37.256
properties,  specifically 25 Mountain

01:25:37.280 --> 01:25:39.416
View Road. And I do want to agree with

01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:41.016
councelor Weller and acknowledge all

01:25:41.040 --> 01:25:43.096
those people that put in their time and

01:25:43.120 --> 01:25:45.016
effort to write a submission to us on

01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:47.256
these properties. Um and there were a

01:25:47.280 --> 01:25:50.280
couple of key themes about um how a

01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:52.536
large section of the community wanted us

01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.336
to uh support other groups in the

01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:58.360
community uh with these properties and I

01:25:58.480 --> 01:25:59.976
want to address those particular groups

01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.000
because um and I I see what these people

01:26:04.719 --> 01:26:07.175
are caring about and it's not like we've

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.856
just ignored it. We have looked into

01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:10.376
those issues. We have talked to the

01:26:10.400 --> 01:26:12.776
various community groups um men's sheds,

01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.800
neighborhood houses, etc. uh about the

01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.296
abil their ability to utilize these

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.296
these sites and um the the buildings

01:26:20.320 --> 01:26:22.215
that are on them in their current state

01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:23.816
and unfortunately it hasn't worked out.

01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.215
It hasn't worked out because um maybe

01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:27.576
one of the groups have gone in and

01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:28.615
they've looked at the amount of

01:26:28.639 --> 01:26:30.776
investment that would be required uh to

01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.175
bring it up to a standard and they've

01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:34.695
understood that that's not necessarily

01:26:34.719 --> 01:26:36.856
going to be possible or because it's

01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.096
zoned uh residential land that limits

01:26:39.120 --> 01:26:41.336
its ability to be used in other ways.

01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:43.655
Um, so unfortunately,

01:26:43.679 --> 01:26:46.536
 I want to say that we haven't been

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:48.615
able to find a solution for, 

01:26:48.639 --> 01:26:50.296
community groups that need a home just

01:26:50.320 --> 01:26:52.536
yet, but has already been mentioned, we

01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:54.215
are actively looking. We're not giving

01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:56.215
up on them. Um, it's just that these two

01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.456
sites are not the right homes for some

01:26:58.480 --> 01:27:01.096
of those groups. So, consequently, the

01:27:01.120 --> 01:27:02.776
question does become, what do we do with

01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.175
this land? And I think council Weller

01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:07.736
 excellently outlined why we should

01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:09.096
proceed with this motion. And so

01:27:09.120 --> 01:27:10.936
councilors, I urge you to please support

01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:11.736
it.

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:12.936
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Would

01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:14.056
anyone else like to speak to this

01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:14.376
motion?

01:27:14.400 --> 01:27:16.536
I have an amendment. Um, Mayor, it is

01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.615
about the pointing of the funds to the

01:27:18.639 --> 01:27:21.256
development reserve and I've sent it

01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:23.655
through to council meetings email

01:27:23.679 --> 01:27:26.679
address.

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:30.856
Do you want me to read out the

01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.880
No, hold please. Councelor Davenport.

01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.520
Could

01:27:45.440 --> 01:27:46.536
you please explain your amendment

01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:47.175
council?

01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:50.199
Uh it's uh 7 allocates any proceeds from

01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.096
any sale of property at point 2 and.3

01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:54.776
which are the two sites on the screen

01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.800
Bennett Street and Mountain View to the

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:01.080
development reserve.

01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:03.736
Would anyone like to second the

01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:06.760
amendment? I've got a Oh,

01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:08.135
point of order may

01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:08.936
council standard.

01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:11.336
I'm just wondering whether that can be

01:28:11.360 --> 01:28:14.360
accepted as an amendment given u what is

01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:16.776
now a 6. It just seems to be a direct

01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.800
conflict.

01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:28.776
It's a conflict because

01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.376
I think it's still acceptable to debate

01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:33.400
it.

01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.856
Haley, do you accept the amendment?

01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.016
No. Mayor,

01:28:45.040 --> 01:28:46.456
is someone will someone second the

01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:49.016
amendment?

01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:49.416
Okay.

01:28:49.440 --> 01:28:50.456
Happy to second.

01:28:50.480 --> 01:28:52.215
Thank you. Councelor Simpson, councelor

01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.856
Davenport. Well, councilors, I was quite

01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:56.776
surprised at the answer that I was given

01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:59.496
about where our asset sales go and and

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.576
that was because for a long time we had

01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:04.600
a budget principle that asset sales go

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:08.135
back into the development reserve or if

01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:11.159
it's open space like the like um some

01:29:11.280 --> 01:29:13.256
sites goes back into the open space

01:29:13.280 --> 01:29:15.655
reserve. I was quite surprised to hear

01:29:15.679 --> 01:29:17.256
tonight that it was going to go into

01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:20.280
general revenue that could go to um to

01:29:20.719 --> 01:29:23.719
go to uh operational matters. I am

01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.736
concerned by that. Members of the

01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.760
community say to me that that if we're

01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:30.776
going to asset recycle, it's got to go

01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:32.695
back into assets, not into operational

01:29:32.719 --> 01:29:34.936
matters. And what I don't want to have

01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.256
happen between now and time of sale and

01:29:37.280 --> 01:29:39.416
perhaps maybe when the budget comes back

01:29:39.440 --> 01:29:41.336
for consideration in June that the funds

01:29:41.360 --> 01:29:43.576
are being deployed. That's what I want

01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.736
to avoid. So, while we're waiting for a

01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.215
report to come back, I think we need to

01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.536
make it clear as a council tonight that

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:53.560
the this is quarantine to development

01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:56.856
reserve which can be used for major

01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:58.936
recreational projects minor and the

01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.336
whole list is in in the back the very

01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:03.816
last page of our budget while we're

01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.135
waiting for a report to come out. I'm

01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:08.135
not saying that one negates the other

01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:11.159
which which was raised before but I feel

01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:12.936
that we have to say something about

01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.816
these two particular sites because

01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:18.215
people are looking at long-term what's

01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:20.215
the long-term impact. It's not about

01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:22.776
selling an asset and using it for

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.496
operational matters. It's about selling

01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.816
an asset that's no longer required and

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.840
redeploying those assets into items that

01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:33.655
matter for the longer term benefit of

01:30:33.679 --> 01:30:35.736
the community. That's the idea behind

01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:37.576
the development reserve and when we have

01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.600
sold pro um land in the past a long time

01:30:41.120 --> 01:30:43.576
admittedly in the past that's where

01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:46.600
funds used to go if I remember correctly

01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.880
um and so tonight for these two sites we

01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.880
have to in my view allocate here now

01:30:54.320 --> 01:30:56.536
councilors I know that in the past we

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.560
have um allocated funds of when we've

01:31:00.639 --> 01:31:03.639
sold significant assets to certain uses

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.456
one that came up before I was on council

01:31:06.480 --> 01:31:09.096
was when we got out of um residential

01:31:09.120 --> 01:31:12.120
age care and that was and the idea

01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.856
behind the age care reserve at the time

01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.880
was to stop selling off age residential

01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:20.456
age care and using money on sport and

01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:22.215
pavilions and I think councelor Allen

01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:23.736
was was was there at the time maybe

01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:26.760
yourself council can't remember um but

01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.199
uh my ex- counselor Alice certainly has

01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.496
told me that story a number of times in

01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:36.056
the past and that's why we had the age

01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:39.080
care reserve set up to to ensure that

01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.215
asset facilities and we sold residential

01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:45.239
age care went back into the elderly. Um

01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.816
and that and that certainly is what

01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:50.840
happened with that reserve. Um

01:31:51.360 --> 01:31:53.976
and I think that we should be giving

01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:55.976
some direction on where it should go. I

01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.000
don't want to see any hint

01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:01.896
of these sites being sold and going into

01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.655
operational

01:32:03.679 --> 01:32:06.456
right now. And I feel that if we don't

01:32:06.480 --> 01:32:09.416
have something on the books right now,

01:32:09.440 --> 01:32:12.215
that might happen. That might happen and

01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.135
we got to move quick on it. That's why

01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.159
I've I've I've said that tonight because

01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:19.416
um because I was surprised when I got

01:32:19.440 --> 01:32:22.056
the answer that did um that it was going

01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:24.936
to go into general reserves and not um

01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:27.816
not for a future asset deployment.

01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.376
Councilors, I urge your support for this

01:32:30.400 --> 01:32:33.256
motion. Thank you uh this amendment.

01:32:33.280 --> 01:32:35.016
Thank you.

01:32:35.040 --> 01:32:36.695
Thank you, councelor Davenport.

01:32:36.719 --> 01:32:37.496
Councelor Simpson.

01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:39.576
Before I begin my u remarks, Mayor, I do

01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.016
have a question.

01:32:41.040 --> 01:32:41.816
Councelor Simpson.

01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.896
Thank you, Mayor. Um my question is is

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.856
there anything uh regarding the use of

01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:48.215
the development reserve that would

01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:51.239
prohibit us using that money for capital

01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:53.336
improvements on public privately

01:32:53.360 --> 01:32:56.360
constructed buildings on council land?

01:33:00.480 --> 01:33:03.175
Uh thank you mate. Uh we can certainly

01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:06.199
use that reserve for uh that particular

01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:10.056
position. I may say as context and with

01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:13.080
regard to uh councelor Daven Davenport's

01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.199
comments, our financial strategy that

01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:18.856
was developed several years ago now and

01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:21.336
reflected in our budget and our budget

01:33:21.360 --> 01:33:24.215
principles was that the development

01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:27.239
reserve would be uh eroded to nil and um

01:33:29.280 --> 01:33:31.175
uh eliminated over the course of the

01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.736
next couple of years and sales would not

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.376
be diverted to that development reserve.

01:33:36.400 --> 01:33:38.456
And that was part of prior budget

01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:41.016
processes. To answer your question, we

01:33:41.040 --> 01:33:44.040
could change track and reflect that in

01:33:44.320 --> 01:33:47.256
new budget principles and use that deser

01:33:47.280 --> 01:33:50.280
reserve for this particular purpose.

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:53.655
Thank you, Mr. K. Councelor Simpson.

01:33:53.679 --> 01:33:55.256
Uh thank you, Mayor. And I think um

01:33:55.280 --> 01:33:56.856
councelor Davenport has said it well

01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:58.856
when he talked about the fact that our

01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.016
community expects us to recycle asset

01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:04.040
sales into assets. um councils the

01:34:04.719 --> 01:34:06.056
problem is is when you keep selling the

01:34:06.080 --> 01:34:07.416
farm what happens when there's no more

01:34:07.440 --> 01:34:09.736
farm left and so that's something we've

01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.296
always got to be mindful of is uh when

01:34:12.320 --> 01:34:14.296
we are selling assets what are we going

01:34:14.320 --> 01:34:16.376
to be using those funds for and hearing

01:34:16.400 --> 01:34:18.536
the answer from Mr. can regarding the

01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:20.695
way that 6 and seven of this motion

01:34:20.719 --> 01:34:22.376
interrelate with each other. I do not

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:25.400
see them as um being mutually exclusive.

01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:29.159
Um what it does do is it does quarantine

01:34:29.360 --> 01:34:31.096
the proceeds of any sale from the two

01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:32.456
properties in this motion into the

01:34:32.480 --> 01:34:34.456
development reserve which we can then

01:34:34.480 --> 01:34:37.480
choose to spend into other assets. um

01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:40.215
whether it be um capital improvements to

01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:41.496
privately constructed buildings on

01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.376
council land or other other uh

01:34:44.400 --> 01:34:47.256
construction projects or capex projects.

01:34:47.280 --> 01:34:48.776
So councilors on the whole I don't see

01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:50.536
anything wrong with this amendment and

01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:51.896
given the arguments that councelor

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:54.856
Davenport made he's convinced me uh so I

01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:55.816
urge you to please support the

01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:56.936
amendment.

01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:58.215
Thank you councelor Simpson. Would

01:34:58.239 --> 01:34:59.256
anyone else like to speak to the

01:34:59.280 --> 01:35:00.056
amendment?

01:35:00.080 --> 01:35:01.976
Um Mayor

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.296
just have a question. And I've got

01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:05.175
Yes, council.

01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:06.776
Um,

01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:09.096
two potent two potential amendments. I'm

01:35:09.120 --> 01:35:11.496
just wondering when the appropriate time

01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:13.816
to bring that up would be.

01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:15.416
Let's debate this amendment and then

01:35:15.440 --> 01:35:17.336
we'll talk about potential amendments

01:35:17.360 --> 01:35:19.256
going forward.

01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:20.536
Would anyone else like to speak to this

01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:21.175
amendment?

01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:22.776
Mayor

01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:24.215
Councelor Barker.

01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:25.976
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I have absolutely

01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:27.736
no issue with the concept of

01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.760
hypothecating the money from asset sales

01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:34.120
into recycling that into be it new open

01:35:35.120 --> 01:35:38.120
space, new net ball courts, new football

01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:41.800
pavilions, new  age care

01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:45.576
station. I don't know. You could spend

01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:47.416
it on any number of things. I have no

01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:48.936
problem with that and I think that's

01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.960
important. But I heard Mr. K's answer

01:35:52.080 --> 01:35:53.655
about the development reserve. If we've

01:35:53.679 --> 01:35:55.736
agreed that in the budget process, I

01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:57.016
don't think we should be flip-flopping

01:35:57.040 --> 01:35:59.896
on it. Rather, we know that that money

01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:02.920
is to be hypothecated into into asset

01:36:04.320 --> 01:36:05.736
recycling. I give you another point,

01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.496
Mayor, is that we should have the

01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:09.496
maximum flexibility.

01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.416
Now, the Lord hoped that it never

01:36:11.440 --> 01:36:13.016
happens, but imagine if an earthquake

01:36:13.040 --> 01:36:15.016
hit Whitehorse tonight, and we needed

01:36:15.040 --> 01:36:17.336
to find $50 million for the

01:36:17.360 --> 01:36:20.056
reconstruction of roads and drains and

01:36:20.080 --> 01:36:21.976
things like that, and that money was

01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.736
stuck in the development reserve only to

01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:25.655
be used for the new building,

01:36:25.679 --> 01:36:28.135
construction, or the procurement of land

01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.159
or other associated things, we'd be um

01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:34.440
we'd be kicking ourselves. So um in my

01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:37.960
mind that money or will always be

01:36:38.080 --> 01:36:40.536
hypothecated off whether it sits in an

01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:42.936
account with various limitations on it's

01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.960
another thing but um I I certainly think

01:36:46.320 --> 01:36:47.496
that's something that we can put some

01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:49.095
work into in the future so that the

01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:50.776
community can have confidence in that

01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:53.655
but we do need that flexibility and um I

01:36:53.679 --> 01:36:56.215
think it's been agreed widely across our

01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.536
organization that that's what that asset

01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:00.215
recycling is going to do because we know

01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.776
that that's been a a you

01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:04.695
a principle of our of our budgeting

01:37:04.719 --> 01:37:06.456
going forward. So, I won't be supporting

01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:08.135
it.

01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:09.416
Thank you, councelor Barker. Would

01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:10.456
anyone else like to speak to the

01:37:10.480 --> 01:37:11.175
amendment?

01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:12.215
Yes, Mayor.

01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:13.256
Council Martin.

01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:15.576
Mayor, I I concur with councelor Barker.

01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:17.016
I would suggest that this money is

01:37:17.040 --> 01:37:19.256
already spent. So, we have a clear

01:37:19.280 --> 01:37:21.655
budget process and and asset spend will

01:37:21.679 --> 01:37:23.896
always be bigger than asset sales. So,

01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:25.175
we're already we're already spending it.

01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:26.776
So, I think these these are two separate

01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:29.416
items and we need to raise this in the

01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:31.576
budget process. So just going back the

01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:33.256
original motion was simply to sell two

01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:35.655
unwanted pieces of land right that's

01:37:35.679 --> 01:37:37.576
what it was. So if you want to talk

01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.736
about like development fund, we know

01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:41.736
we've got the Dawaning aquatics coming

01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:43.816
up. We've got Nutawaning basketball, the

01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:45.576
Burwood East Reserve pavilions getting

01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:48.135
built. Um we've obviously got Davy Lane

01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:49.736
on the books, which councilor Davenport

01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.760
is very supportive of. Um we we you

01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:55.175
know, I think what we're we're we've

01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:56.536
already spent this money, so I think

01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:58.296
we're being a bit we're talking about

01:37:58.320 --> 01:37:59.976
semantics here. So again, just go back

01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:01.175
to the original motion. We're just

01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.896
talking about two pieces of land. So

01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:06.920
let's uh I think this 7 can be taken up

01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:09.576
in the budget process. Thank you may

01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:10.936
thank you councelor Martin. Would anyone

01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:12.296
else like to speak to the amendment?

01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:13.655
Uh yes ma'am.

01:38:13.679 --> 01:38:14.456
Councelor Stennet.

01:38:14.480 --> 01:38:17.480
U thank you. Um just on item um seven I

01:38:18.639 --> 01:38:21.576
just uh my suggestion um I'm happy to

01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:24.456
make an amendment but um is that it we

01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:26.615
treat it like um item six where we just

01:38:26.639 --> 01:38:29.016
seek a report u rather than doing it.

01:38:29.040 --> 01:38:31.976
And then um I I would add another point

01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:33.816
um that we defer any allocation or

01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:36.215
expenditure of proceeds from the sale of

01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:37.896
assets in this motion until the time

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:39.175
that council has considered those

01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:42.199
reports.

01:38:43.280 --> 01:38:44.456
We have to deal with this amendment

01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:46.376
first before we start discussing any

01:38:46.400 --> 01:38:48.536
other possible amendments.

01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:50.615
Any further Have you finished speaking?

01:38:50.639 --> 01:38:53.639
Councelor Stennet,

01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:54.856
would you have?

01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.215
Yeah.

01:38:56.239 --> 01:38:58.536
Um, would anyone else like to speak to

01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.256
this amendment?

01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:02.856
I now put the amendment to the vote.

01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:05.416
Those in favor, councelor Allen,

01:39:05.440 --> 01:39:06.936
councelor

01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:08.776
Griffith, Council Davenport, Councelor

01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:10.615
Simpson,

01:39:10.639 --> 01:39:12.776
those against, Councelor Weller,

01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:14.456
Councelor Gun, Council Langford,

01:39:14.480 --> 01:39:16.135
Councelor Stenn, Councelor Cuts,

01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.615
Councelor Martin, and Councelor Barker.

01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:20.695
The amendment is not carried. We now

01:39:20.719 --> 01:39:22.695
return to sub substantive. Would anyone

01:39:22.719 --> 01:39:25.719
else like to speak to substantive?

01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.296
May I have a amendment?

01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:29.736
Could you please put your amendment up

01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.536
onto the board? Councelor

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:35.256
Stennet. Thanks.

01:39:35.280 --> 01:39:37.896
Um just just a deferred point. I think

01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.920
just um hearing what councelor um

01:39:41.679 --> 01:39:44.679
Davenport's saying about um just holding

01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.336
on to the funds.

01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:48.936
Thank you.

01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:51.175
Would someone like to explain?

01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:52.215
Yes, Mayor. I'm happy to

01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:54.296
explain it. Yeah.

01:39:54.320 --> 01:39:57.320
Do you want 7?

01:39:59.679 --> 01:40:01.016
No. 7.

01:40:01.040 --> 01:40:01.736
No.

01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:02.296
No.

01:40:02.320 --> 01:40:05.175
No. Don't worry about

01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:06.376
changing.

01:40:06.400 --> 01:40:08.135
Has he

01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:08.456
changed?

01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:10.936
Yes, he has got 7.

01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:12.536
Could you please explain the amendment?

01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:13.736
Councelor Sten.

01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:16.615
Um just trying to work in with what

01:40:16.639 --> 01:40:19.639
councelor Devport's trying to do. um and

01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.840
um understand he um wants funds diverted

01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:25.576
to the de development reserve. I think

01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:28.215
it uh might be worth looking at but um

01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:30.936
in the same for the same reasons why we

01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:32.695
um

01:40:32.719 --> 01:40:34.456
have we got a second do we

01:40:34.480 --> 01:40:35.816
just keep keep speaking

01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:37.816
sorry

01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:40.840
um why we agreed to seek a um a report

01:40:41.440 --> 01:40:44.440
in item um six or whatever it was um the

01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.376
same same argument exists for item seven

01:40:48.400 --> 01:40:51.400
and also um just to make it clear um to

01:40:52.639 --> 01:40:54.856
defer any allocation or expenditure from

01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.416
on the sale that we just retain them um

01:40:57.440 --> 01:41:00.135
until these reports um have been

01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:01.016
considered.

01:41:01.040 --> 01:41:02.615
Thank you, Councelor Stennet. Councelor

01:41:02.639 --> 01:41:03.736
Weller, how do you feel about the

01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:04.376
amendments?

01:41:04.400 --> 01:41:06.296
Uh do not support the amendment, man.

01:41:06.320 --> 01:41:07.816
Thank you, councelor Sten. Sorry,

01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:09.256
councelor Weller. Would anyone like to

01:41:09.280 --> 01:41:10.296
I'll second. Thank you, Mayor.

01:41:10.320 --> 01:41:11.336
Thank you, Councelor Davenport.

01:41:11.360 --> 01:41:14.360
Councelor Stennet.

01:41:14.639 --> 01:41:17.016
Um thank you, Mayor. I just Yeah, like I

01:41:17.040 --> 01:41:18.215
said, I'm trying to work in with um

01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.296
Council Dport. I don't have any issue

01:41:20.320 --> 01:41:22.376
with seeking reports and trying to

01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:24.936
understand the merits of um undertaking

01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:26.776
a particular action if it it makes

01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.800
sense. Um but also um if we were to sell

01:41:30.639 --> 01:41:33.639
these assets um rather than

01:41:34.480 --> 01:41:36.615
um the potential of something being done

01:41:36.639 --> 01:41:39.016
that council Davenport's worried about

01:41:39.040 --> 01:41:41.016
that might be spent on operational funds

01:41:41.040 --> 01:41:43.736
that um the money is wholly kept u

01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:46.056
separately until we can decide what to

01:41:46.080 --> 01:41:47.416
do what the appropriate thing to do with

01:41:47.440 --> 01:41:50.440
it and um understand um the value of one

01:41:51.040 --> 01:41:53.816
action or another um or that or not

01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.840
doing anything at all or just as other

01:41:57.199 --> 01:41:59.416
councils have suggested. Um just

01:41:59.440 --> 01:42:01.976
deciding that we make the decisions at

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:05.000
the council budget.

01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:06.695
Yes.

01:42:06.719 --> 01:42:08.536
Thank you, councelor Stennet. Council

01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:10.056
Davenport.

01:42:10.080 --> 01:42:13.080
So, um I just uh got pointed out in my

01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:15.816
folly. I I accepted eight with the with

01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:17.576
the numbering being incorrect. It should

01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:20.600
say 6 and seven. Um and that but that's

01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.056
purely administrative. Um, I'd like to

01:42:24.080 --> 01:42:25.736
say thank you, Councelor Sten, because

01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:27.496
what you've done there is sort of what I

01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:30.376
was seeking to do rather than just going

01:42:30.400 --> 01:42:33.400
straight to an answer. Um, it does

01:42:33.440 --> 01:42:36.440
certainly preserve um nonallocation of

01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.000
of any funds until we get reports. Um,

01:42:41.360 --> 01:42:44.296
and I think it's a good balance between

01:42:44.320 --> 01:42:47.320
um everyone's view tonight. Put a pause.

01:42:47.679 --> 01:42:49.016
Don't go and spend the money straight

01:42:49.040 --> 01:42:52.040
away and look at how we do our asset

01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.655
recycling. Now we've got two sizable

01:42:55.679 --> 01:42:58.679
pieces up uh up for us to consider. Um

01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:01.336
councilors, I urge your support for this

01:43:01.360 --> 01:43:03.576
um amendment. Thank you.

01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:04.856
Thank you, Councelor Davenport. Would

01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:05.896
anyone else like to speak to the

01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:08.456
amendment? Councelor Martin.

01:43:08.480 --> 01:43:11.016
Yeah, I'm glad you changed the 8 to six

01:43:11.040 --> 01:43:12.296
and seven because I was looking at that

01:43:12.320 --> 01:43:13.816
was going to raise that. So, thank you.

01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:15.976
Um,

01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:18.456
I was just going to reiterate again that

01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:21.480
we we have a full-on budget process. So,

01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.296
seeks to report on allocating the fun

01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:26.296
like we have a substantial budget

01:43:26.320 --> 01:43:28.215
process. I I I just don't know why we're

01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:30.695
going through this. Um, and now we're

01:43:30.719 --> 01:43:32.936
going on a report on just moving chess

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:35.960
pieces. So, um, anyway, that's that's

01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:37.655
all I was going to add. Thank you,

01:43:37.679 --> 01:43:38.776
Mayor.

01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:40.135
Councelor Martin, would anyone else like

01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:41.175
to speak to the amendment?

01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:41.896
Yes, ma'am.

01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.776
Councelor Simpson.

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:43.896
Thank you, Mayor. And I'd just like to

01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.135
respond to the point about the budget um

01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:48.135
process and normally councelor Martin

01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:49.816
and I are pretty much in lock step on

01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:51.896
these sorts of views but I feel that we

01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.576
need to have some flexibility outside of

01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:54.856
the budget process where it's

01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:56.936
appropriate to take advantage of

01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.016
opportunities as they arise because

01:43:59.040 --> 01:44:00.856
unfortunately the budget is only once a

01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:03.880
year and so whilst it can uh foresee uh

01:44:04.480 --> 01:44:06.215
we can try and foresee as much as we can

01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:08.856
in a yearly cycle um having some money

01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:10.856
set aside for other purposes in my

01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:12.776
personal view is not a bad thing. Sorry

01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:13.896
councilors please support the

01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:15.416
amendments.

01:44:15.440 --> 01:44:16.776
Thank you councelor Simpson. Would

01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:17.816
anyone else like to speak to the

01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.376
amendments? I now put the amendments.

01:44:20.400 --> 01:44:22.135
Those in favor councelor Allen,

01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:24.135
councelor Griffith, councelor Davenport,

01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:26.215
councelor Simpson, councelor Stennet.

01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:27.655
Those against councelor Weller,

01:44:27.679 --> 01:44:30.135
councelor Gun, Council Langford,

01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:33.016
Councelor Katz, Councelor Martin, and

01:44:33.040 --> 01:44:36.040
Councelor Barker.

01:44:36.400 --> 01:44:38.695
The motion's defeated. Sorry, the

01:44:38.719 --> 01:44:40.856
amendments defeated. We now return to

01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:43.336
the substantive. Would anyone else like

01:44:43.360 --> 01:44:46.215
to speak to the substantive motion?

01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:47.416
Um, Mayor.

01:44:47.440 --> 01:44:50.440
Council Allen, please.

01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:52.456
Council Griffith, is that you?

01:44:52.480 --> 01:44:55.416
I'm hoping to put a put motion.

01:44:55.440 --> 01:44:57.256
You would you like to move the put

01:44:57.280 --> 01:44:59.896
motion? Someone like second.

01:44:59.920 --> 01:45:02.456
Councelor Stennet. Those in favor of the

01:45:02.480 --> 01:45:05.480
put motion carried unanimously. I now

01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:08.536
put the motion. Keep your hands up as I

01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:10.695
call your names. All those in favor,

01:45:10.719 --> 01:45:13.496
councelor Allen, councelor Weller,

01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:15.256
councelor Grun, councelor Davenport,

01:45:15.280 --> 01:45:17.416
councelor Simpson, councelor Lanford,

01:45:17.440 --> 01:45:19.256
councelor Stennet, councelor Katz,

01:45:19.280 --> 01:45:21.816
councelor Martin, and councelor Barker.

01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:23.976
Those against councelor Griffith. The

01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.000
motion is carried. We now move to item

01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.199
10.6, Six, the Forest Hill Activity

01:45:31.040 --> 01:45:34.040
Center, 69 to 79 Man's Road, Forest

01:45:34.480 --> 01:45:37.095
Hill, and the adjoining car park request

01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:40.119
for CL planning scheme amendment. Could

01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:42.135
I have a counselor move the item?

01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:42.776
Yes, ma'am.

01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:45.336
Councelor Martin. And is there a second?

01:45:45.360 --> 01:45:48.360
Councelor Cuts. Councelor Martin.

01:45:52.719 --> 01:45:54.615
Sorry, Mayor. I was just getting getting

01:45:54.639 --> 01:45:56.456
ready with the item because my computer

01:45:56.480 --> 01:45:57.736
went off. So hopefully I can get an

01:45:57.760 --> 01:45:59.816
extra 10 seconds. Um, thank you, Mayor.

01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:02.215
I'm supporting the item 10.6, a

01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.056
recommendation to seek authorization for

01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:05.416
a planning scheme amendment for the

01:46:05.440 --> 01:46:07.416
properties listed within the with within

01:46:07.440 --> 01:46:09.576
the forestal activity center. The

01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:11.655
information in the agenda uh is quite

01:46:11.679 --> 01:46:13.336
detailed and discusses the need for the

01:46:13.360 --> 01:46:14.936
planning scheme amendment. But from a

01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.576
practical point of view, the amendment

01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:20.600
will help our city more livable with

01:46:20.639 --> 01:46:22.296
hopefully good design, appropriate

01:46:22.320 --> 01:46:23.576
development around the Forest Hill

01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.736
Activity Center. So councilors often in

01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:27.256
this chamber we discuss the activity

01:46:27.280 --> 01:46:29.256
centers in Boxill, Blackburn, Nutawing,

01:46:29.280 --> 01:46:31.976
Mitchum and even Taliho as examples. I'm

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:33.655
excited with the Forest Hill activity

01:46:33.679 --> 01:46:35.896
center for a myriad of reasons. Forest

01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:38.056
Hill Chase in the vicinity of of this

01:46:38.080 --> 01:46:39.496
application is the largest shopping

01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:41.095
center in the city of Whitehorse and a

01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:42.615
key destination for many in our

01:46:42.639 --> 01:46:44.695
community. The owners of Forest Hill

01:46:44.719 --> 01:46:46.376
Haven have been investing heavily in the

01:46:46.400 --> 01:46:48.296
center and anyone who's visited the

01:46:48.320 --> 01:46:49.736
center will be able to see the changes

01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:51.736
in the food court and fresh food area as

01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:53.655
examples. We are seeing more

01:46:53.679 --> 01:46:55.736
invigoration with new traders on Man's

01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:57.576
Road and I see this proposed amendment

01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:59.256
as an enabler for further development

01:46:59.280 --> 01:47:02.280
and improvement along Man's Road.

01:47:03.440 --> 01:47:06.056
Excuse me. This amendment specifically

01:47:06.080 --> 01:47:08.456
targeting the office building at 69 to

01:47:08.480 --> 01:47:10.776
79 Man's Road and the adjoining at grade

01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:12.936
car park represents a vital opportunity

01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:15.655
to unlock the potential of underutilized

01:47:15.679 --> 01:47:17.576
land in one of our city's major retail

01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:20.056
and entertainment hubs. These sites are

01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:21.576
somewhat constrained by a development

01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:24.600
plan overlay that is over 25 years old.

01:47:24.639 --> 01:47:26.615
This outdated control offers no future

01:47:26.639 --> 01:47:29.336
vision and treats these sites as static,

01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:31.576
resulting in aged office building and a

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.576
service car park that no longer meets

01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:36.600
modern commercial or community needs.

01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:40.215
By transitioning to a new design and

01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:41.496
development overlay, we are choosing

01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:43.655
proactive site responsive planning. This

01:47:43.679 --> 01:47:45.736
shift will suffice facilitate

01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:47.736
highquality development for commercial

01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.135
or residential uses directly supporting

01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:51.816
the planned Victoria and our

01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:53.736
municipalities allocated target of

01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:55.655
76,500

01:47:55.679 --> 01:47:58.679
homes by 201. It place it play places

01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:00.536
housing growth exactly where it belongs

01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.536
in highly accessible locations near

01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.456
existing bus interchanges, jobs and

01:48:04.480 --> 01:48:07.480
services.

01:48:08.080 --> 01:48:09.816
So, in regards to parking, a

01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:12.135
comprehensive assessment by UK

01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:13.416
consultants confirms that the

01:48:13.440 --> 01:48:15.896
long-standing requirement for 130 spaces

01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.615
on this site is no longer necessary.

01:48:18.639 --> 01:48:20.695
Under current statewide standards, the

01:48:20.719 --> 01:48:22.215
shopping center actually maintains a

01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:25.239
massive surplus of over,400 car spaces.

01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:27.655
So, keeping this land locked away as a

01:48:27.679 --> 01:48:30.215
service car park is perhaps not not the

01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:33.239
best not the uh best use. So councilors,

01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:36.056
this pre precinct has so much potential

01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:38.456
for the city of Whitehorse. We're at

01:48:38.480 --> 01:48:40.135
the eastern end of Manis Road where it

01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:41.655
meets Burwood Highway adjacent to the

01:48:41.679 --> 01:48:44.679
Taliho pre precinct uh activity center.

01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.856
There's the plans for dedicated active

01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:49.175
transport corridors that could link the

01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:51.256
Taliho precinct with Forest Hill Chase

01:48:51.280 --> 01:48:53.016
right along Man's Road to the area we're

01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:55.496
talking now. So we've got new food

01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:57.816
offerings opening in Man's Road Man's

01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:00.135
Road and there's also a new retail

01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:02.776
kitchen showroom. There's also plenty of

01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:04.456
medium density apartments as we know

01:49:04.480 --> 01:49:06.776
situ situated in close proximity on

01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:09.336
Canoby Road. So Mayor, I ask for

01:49:09.360 --> 01:49:10.936
councilors to support on this motion as

01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:12.135
it will assist the planning and

01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:13.576
development process for the two

01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.896
properties as per the report and what I

01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.655
hope will be high standards in design.

01:49:17.679 --> 01:49:19.175
So this precinct will deliver really

01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:22.056
positive outcome to residents, shoppers,

01:49:22.080 --> 01:49:24.615
traders and a vibrant trading economy in

01:49:24.639 --> 01:49:27.496
this precinct. And don't forget the the

01:49:27.520 --> 01:49:29.175
opportunities with basketball and other

01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:30.776
indoor sports with the soon to be

01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:32.936
completed new basketball courts located

01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.256
on the top car park in Forest Hill.

01:49:35.280 --> 01:49:36.856
Thank you, Mayor.

01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:38.456
Thank you, Councelor Martin. Councelor

01:49:38.480 --> 01:49:38.936
Cuts.

01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:40.776
Thank you very much, Mayor. And I'd like

01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:42.615
to thank Jason Wong for your um

01:49:42.639 --> 01:49:44.056
presentation earlier. It's really

01:49:44.080 --> 01:49:47.016
wonderful to hear from um people

01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:49.576
involved in items coming up to council.

01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:51.576
So I wish to second this motion which is

01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:53.816
a request initiated by the landowners

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:55.336
harburn of the forest hill chase

01:49:55.360 --> 01:49:57.256
shopping center to amend the Whitehorse

01:49:57.280 --> 01:49:59.576
planning scheme specifically in relation

01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:02.600
to 69 to 79 man's road and the adjoining

01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:05.880
car park. This is a targeted and sightsp

01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:08.296
specific proposal. It focuses on how key

01:50:08.320 --> 01:50:10.215
land holdings alongside the shopping

01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:12.376
center including an office site and the

01:50:12.400 --> 01:50:14.456
associated car park can evolve in a more

01:50:14.480 --> 01:50:16.615
coordinated and strategic way.

01:50:16.639 --> 01:50:18.776
Importantly, the amendment seeks to

01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:20.695
unlock development opportunities across

01:50:20.719 --> 01:50:22.936
these sites, allowing them to trans

01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:25.095
transition over time to a broader mix of

01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:26.615
uses including commercial and

01:50:26.639 --> 01:50:29.175
residential outcomes and that presents a

01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.336
significant shift but also a logical one

01:50:31.360 --> 01:50:33.095
given the role that the centers like

01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.175
forest hill chase play in accommodating

01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:37.816
growth. At present, these sites are

01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:40.135
underutilized relative to their location

01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:42.856
and potential. Without a clear planning

01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.095
framework, any change risks being

01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.336
peacemeal. So this amendment provides

01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:48.936
the opportunity to put in place the

01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:50.936
right controls and expectations from the

01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:53.095
outset so that the future development is

01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:54.695
welld designigned, integrated and

01:50:54.719 --> 01:50:56.376
aligned with the broader vision for the

01:50:56.400 --> 01:50:59.016
center. In seconding this motion, I want

01:50:59.040 --> 01:51:00.936
to emphasize that this is the start of a

01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.416
rigorous process supporting the

01:51:03.440 --> 01:51:04.856
preparation of a planning scheme

01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:06.776
amendment does not predetermine the

01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:09.655
final outcome. It enables detailed

01:51:09.679 --> 01:51:11.496
assessment, further design work and

01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.056
critically community consultation.

01:51:14.080 --> 01:51:15.655
There are several important matters that

01:51:15.679 --> 01:51:17.336
will need to be carefully considered as

01:51:17.360 --> 01:51:20.360
this progresses. Firstly, how any future

01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:22.215
development on the office and car park

01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:23.816
site integrates with the existing

01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:25.175
shopping center and surrounding

01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:26.936
neighborhood, particularly in terms of

01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.496
built form, scale, and interface.

01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:32.215
Secondly, the approach to car parking.

01:51:32.239 --> 01:51:34.296
The report makes it clear that under the

01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:35.896
current car parking provisions, the

01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:37.416
broader Forest Hill Chase shopping

01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:39.336
center can continue to operate

01:51:39.360 --> 01:51:41.816
appropriately without reliance on the

01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:44.135
subject car park as indicated by Jason

01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.456
before. It also indicates that any

01:51:46.480 --> 01:51:48.215
potential overflow demand can be

01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:50.296
reasonably accommodated within the

01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:52.296
surrounding street network. This

01:51:52.320 --> 01:51:53.816
provides a level of confidence that

01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:55.896
redevelopment of the car park site can

01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:57.976
be contemplated without undermining the

01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.615
overall function of the center. And

01:52:00.639 --> 01:52:02.135
thirdly, ensuring that increased

01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:03.816
development intensity is matched with

01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:05.816
high quality design, appropriate

01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:08.135
transitions, and strong amenity outcomes

01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:11.016
for nearby residents. What this motion

01:52:11.040 --> 01:52:13.016
does is allow us to properly test these

01:52:13.040 --> 01:52:14.776
issues through a formal and transparent

01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:16.695
planning process rather than leaving

01:52:16.719 --> 01:52:18.135
outcomes to be determined on a

01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.615
case-byase basis. For these reasons, I'm

01:52:20.639 --> 01:52:22.695
pleased to second this motion. It is a

01:52:22.719 --> 01:52:25.175
sensible and forward step that enables

01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:26.936
us to plan for the future of the Forest

01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:28.456
Hill Chase shopping center in a

01:52:28.480 --> 01:52:30.536
coordinated, thoughtful and community

01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:33.175
informed way. Thank you, Mayor.

01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:34.695
Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Would anyone

01:52:34.719 --> 01:52:37.719
else like to speak to the motion?

01:52:38.719 --> 01:52:40.056
Given that there are no further

01:52:40.080 --> 01:52:43.080
speakers, I now put the motion. Those in

01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:45.575
favor?

01:52:45.599 --> 01:52:48.056
Pass unanimously.

01:52:48.080 --> 01:52:50.936
We now move back to 10.1.

01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:53.960
Contract

01:52:58.639 --> 01:53:00.376
3070,

01:53:00.400 --> 01:53:02.615
provision of laptops and hardware. Can I

01:53:02.639 --> 01:53:04.135
have a counselor move the item?

01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:05.016
Happy to move, Mayor.

01:53:05.040 --> 01:53:06.456
Councelor Weller, can I have a council

01:53:06.480 --> 01:53:06.856
second?

01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:07.816
Happy to second, Mayor.

01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:09.416
Thank you, councelor Simpson. Councelor

01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:09.896
Weller.

01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:11.655
Thank you, Mayor. In the modern

01:53:11.679 --> 01:53:13.575
workplace, few things are more

01:53:13.599 --> 01:53:15.736
frustrating than technology that does

01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:17.896
not work properly.

01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:20.135
That is why I am pleased to move this

01:53:20.159 --> 01:53:22.456
report recommending that council enter

01:53:22.480 --> 01:53:25.095
into a new contract for the supply of

01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:27.816
enduser computing equipment through the

01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:30.776
Victorian state government panel. This

01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:33.016
is a straightforward but strategically

01:53:33.040 --> 01:53:35.976
important decision. Our organization

01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:38.936
relies on secure, reliable, and modern

01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:41.960
technology across 24 council sites. As

01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:45.256
the report notes, laptops and desktop

01:53:45.280 --> 01:53:47.736
computers typically have an operational

01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:50.215
lifespan of 4 to 5 years, and

01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:52.296
maintaining this structured refresh

01:53:52.320 --> 01:53:54.536
cycle ensures staff can work

01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:56.536
efficiently, safely, and without

01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:58.215
disruption.

01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.615
Using the state government's aggregated

01:54:00.639 --> 01:54:02.856
purchasing power has long delivered

01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:05.016
competitive pricing and favorable

01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.655
commercial terms, balancing value for

01:54:07.679 --> 01:54:10.376
money, property, and risk management.

01:54:10.400 --> 01:54:12.536
Continuing with this approach is both

01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:14.376
financially responsible and

01:54:14.400 --> 01:54:17.016
operationally sound. The proposed

01:54:17.040 --> 01:54:19.736
contract 1.701

01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:22.456
million over 3 years with an optional

01:54:22.480 --> 01:54:25.256
2-year extension will ensure we can

01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:27.976
continue supplying laptops, desktops,

01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:30.695
monitors, and related equipment. It is

01:54:30.719 --> 01:54:32.776
fully aligned with the budgets already

01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:35.256
approved in our finance plan and asset

01:54:35.280 --> 01:54:38.215
plan. The report also highlights the

01:54:38.239 --> 01:54:40.376
global pressures affecting technology

01:54:40.400 --> 01:54:43.175
costs, trade tensions, supply chain

01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:46.199
disruptions, and currency fluctuations.

01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:48.536
These factors have driven up prices for

01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:51.560
key components such as RAM and SSD

01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:54.760
storage, sometimes by 20 to 50%.

01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:58.296
Securing a schedule of rates contract

01:54:58.320 --> 01:55:00.856
now gives us predictability and helps

01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:03.416
manage these pressures within budget.

01:55:03.440 --> 01:55:05.896
Our procurement process has been

01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:08.376
thorough and compliant. Vendors on the

01:55:08.400 --> 01:55:10.615
state purchase contract were invited to

01:55:10.639 --> 01:55:13.256
participate and Dell has been identified

01:55:13.280 --> 01:55:15.655
as the preferred supplier. This

01:55:15.679 --> 01:55:17.736
continues our deliberate strategy of

01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:20.296
maintaining a single vendor environment

01:55:20.320 --> 01:55:23.016
which supports standardization, reduces

01:55:23.040 --> 01:55:25.256
compatibility risks and simplifies

01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:27.416
deployment support and life cycle

01:55:27.440 --> 01:55:28.936
management.

01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:31.095
This decision also reflects the changing

01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:34.056
nature of work. Hybrid and remote models

01:55:34.080 --> 01:55:35.575
are now embedded across the

01:55:35.599 --> 01:55:38.296
organization, requiring lightweight

01:55:38.320 --> 01:55:40.856
devices with strong battery life, high

01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:42.776
performance processes, and seamless

01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.736
collaboration tools. Security remains

01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:47.896
critical with the market shifting

01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.615
towards biometric authentication,

01:55:50.639 --> 01:55:53.496
hardwarebased encryption and AI enabled

01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:55.816
threat detection features that

01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:58.776
strengthen our cyber security position.

01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:01.336
Sustainability is another consideration.

01:56:01.360 --> 01:56:03.175
The report notes a growing preference

01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:05.416
for energy efficiency devices that

01:56:05.440 --> 01:56:07.575
incorporate recycled materials and

01:56:07.599 --> 01:56:10.296
support end of life recycling aligning

01:56:10.320 --> 01:56:11.976
with our broader environmental

01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.615
commitments. In short, this contract

01:56:14.639 --> 01:56:16.456
ensures our staff have the tools they

01:56:16.480 --> 01:56:18.695
need to deliver highquality services to

01:56:18.719 --> 01:56:20.856
our community. It is financially

01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:23.256
prudent, operationally necessary, and

01:56:23.280 --> 01:56:25.416
aligned with our long-term goals. I

01:56:25.440 --> 01:56:26.615
commend the report and its

01:56:26.639 --> 01:56:28.296
recommendation.

01:56:28.320 --> 01:56:29.736
Thank you, Councelor Weller. Councelor

01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:30.135
Simpson.

01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:31.655
 thank you, Mayor. Councelor Weller

01:56:31.679 --> 01:56:33.816
has pretty much outlined the reasons

01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:35.336
councilors wish to support this motion,

01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:36.856
but there's a couple of extra points I'd

01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:39.880
like to add. Um the first is around the

01:56:40.719 --> 01:56:43.719
need to procure newer hardware with

01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:46.376
things like biometrics as council

01:56:46.400 --> 01:56:48.536
outlined but as often that requires a

01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:50.695
dedicated uh chip or piece of hardware

01:56:50.719 --> 01:56:52.615
in the device. So it's not like we can

01:56:52.639 --> 01:56:55.416
just um get a an older laptop or

01:56:55.440 --> 01:56:57.336
computer and load some newer software

01:56:57.360 --> 01:56:58.615
onto it. It actually needs to be

01:56:58.639 --> 01:57:00.776
physically present in the in the laptop

01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:02.296
or the computer and therefore that means

01:57:02.320 --> 01:57:04.376
we have to purchase those devices. The

01:57:04.400 --> 01:57:05.976
second reason, second point, sorry, is

01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:08.936
that another reason that um computers

01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:10.376
are getting so expensive at the moment

01:57:10.400 --> 01:57:13.400
with the shortage in uh RAM and SSDs is

01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:16.920
because of the rise of AI. Um they they

01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:19.496
machines that are being purchased by

01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:22.296
people who want to run their own LLMs or

01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:25.256
their own AI servers at home um consume

01:57:25.280 --> 01:57:27.416
vast amounts of RAM. And I have friends

01:57:27.440 --> 01:57:30.296
and colleagues who uh have a 15week

01:57:30.320 --> 01:57:33.095
minimum order on Mac minis uh cuz that's

01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:35.736
a preferred uh hardware that these

01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:37.175
people want to use and I think that that

01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:39.336
that timeline's blown out to even

01:57:39.360 --> 01:57:41.256
longer. So whilst there is a critical

01:57:41.280 --> 01:57:44.280
shortage uh of these components uh we at

01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:45.496
council have to deal with the

01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:47.655
consequences of that. So um as is

01:57:47.679 --> 01:57:49.175
outlined in the report that's one of the

01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:50.936
reasons why our costs are unfortunately

01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:52.776
going up. But on the whole council we

01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:54.376
should support this motion. Please vote

01:57:54.400 --> 01:57:55.976
for it.

01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:57.336
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would

01:57:57.360 --> 01:58:00.215
anyone else like to speak to the motion?

01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:01.655
Given that there's no one else speaking

01:58:01.679 --> 01:58:03.256
to the motion, I will put the motion.

01:58:03.280 --> 01:58:06.135
Those in favor?

01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:09.159
Unanimous. The motion's passed.

01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:14.119
Item 10.2, contract 30737,

01:58:17.679 --> 01:58:20.135
after hours parking services. Can I have

01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:21.816
a counselor move the item?

01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:22.695
Happy to move, Mayor.

01:58:22.719 --> 01:58:24.936
Councelor Weller. Is there a seconder?

01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:26.215
Happy to second. May

01:58:26.239 --> 01:58:29.095
councelor cuts. Councelor Weller.

01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:31.095
This report considers the contract for

01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:33.655
after hours parking services, a service

01:58:33.679 --> 01:58:35.896
that keeps our city safe, accessible,

01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:38.215
and functioning well beyond standard

01:58:38.239 --> 01:58:41.239
business hours. It recommends appointing

01:58:41.599 --> 01:58:44.215
Oran Australia as our after hours

01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:46.215
parking enforcement provider for the

01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:48.456
next 3 years with an option for a

01:58:48.480 --> 01:58:51.175
further two. This ensures Whitehorse

01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:53.575
continues to meet community expectations

01:58:53.599 --> 01:58:56.215
around safety, access, and fair use of

01:58:56.239 --> 01:58:59.239
public space. Since 2023, we have

01:59:00.080 --> 01:59:02.695
operated a hybrid model combining

01:59:02.719 --> 01:59:05.256
in-house offices with contracted after

01:59:05.280 --> 01:59:07.575
hours support. It has been both

01:59:07.599 --> 01:59:09.976
effective and efficient.

01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:12.135
Over the current contract period, the

01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:14.536
after hours team has responded to more

01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:17.560
than 700 service requests. real issues

01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:20.536
affecting businesses and residents from

01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:23.336
blocked accessways to unsafe parking and

01:59:23.360 --> 01:59:26.360
congestion in activity centers. The

01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:28.615
proposed contract strengthens this

01:59:28.639 --> 01:59:31.175
service by expanding Sunday coverage

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from fortnightly to weekly and extending

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operating hours to 8:00 p.m. This

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reflects the reality of a city that

01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:41.736
remains active well into the evening and

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responds directly to rising community

01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:45.496
demand.

01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:48.135
Following a competitive tender, Orican

01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:50.615
achieved the highest overall evaluation

01:59:50.639 --> 01:59:53.175
score across cost, capability,

01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:55.095
experience, local content, and

01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:56.695
sustainability.

01:59:56.719 --> 01:59:58.936
Their submission met all requirements,

01:59:58.960 --> 02:00:01.960
delivered approximately 210,000 in

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identified savings, and offered several

02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:07.256
value ad options supported by strong

02:00:07.280 --> 02:00:09.896
operational expertise.

02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:12.456
Officers also assessed alternative

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delivery models. A fully in-house

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service would require significant

02:00:17.280 --> 02:00:19.816
additional staffing and higher labor and

02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:22.776
administrative costs. A fully outsourced

02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:25.416
model would be even more expensive.

02:00:25.440 --> 02:00:27.336
Neither option match the value,

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flexibility or reality of continuing the

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hybrid approach. The recommended

02:00:32.320 --> 02:00:34.056
contract is therefore the most

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costeffective and operationally sound

02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:38.296
pathway.

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If we did not award this contract after

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hours enforcement would stop. We would

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lose the ability to respond to

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non-compliance during peak evening and

02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:50.215
weekend periods. Safety risks would

02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:52.376
increase. Accessibility would be

02:00:52.400 --> 02:00:54.856
compromised and we would fall short of

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our statutory responsibilities under the

02:00:57.360 --> 02:00:59.976
road safety road rules. This

02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.456
recommendation ensures continuity,

02:01:02.480 --> 02:01:04.456
stability, and a service that scales

02:01:04.480 --> 02:01:07.095
with community need. supports our

02:01:07.119 --> 02:01:09.416
commitment to a connected, inclusive and

02:01:09.440 --> 02:01:11.736
safe community in a financially and

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respon and operationally robust way. The

02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:17.175
tender process has been thorough. The

02:01:17.199 --> 02:01:19.496
evaluation is sound and the service is

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essential. I commend the report and its

02:01:21.599 --> 02:01:23.655
recommendation.

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Thank you, Council Weller. Councelor

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Cuts.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. To second

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this office of recommendation. This item

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proposes a continuation of the hybrid

02:01:33.360 --> 02:01:35.336
service model where council continues to

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deliver the standard afterhour service

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through our internal twoperson team

02:01:39.440 --> 02:01:41.095
while engaging a contractor to

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supplement service delivery particularly

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to meet extended demand periods.

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Currently, the after hours service

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operates Monday to Saturday from 2:00

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p.m. to 9:00 p.m. and every second

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Sunday from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. What

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is being proposed here through this

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contract is strengthening and extend

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extending the Sunday coverage with

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services to operate every Sunday instead

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of fortnightly and going from 10:00 a.m.

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through to 8:00 p.m. This change is a

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practical response to our how our city

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is now functioning. Sundays are no

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longer quiet or low demand days. In

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fact, they're increasingly some of the

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busiest periods across our activity

02:02:18.719 --> 02:02:21.016
centers, health precincts, retail areas,

02:02:21.040 --> 02:02:23.175
and neighborhood destinations.

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Extending Sunday coverage ensures

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there's a consistent oversight across

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the full span of peak activity. This

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supports compliance with parking

02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.416
regulations, improves safety, and

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ensures fair access to limited parking

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space for residents, visitors, and local

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businesses. Importantly, this is not

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about replacing council's role. The

02:02:42.320 --> 02:02:44.856
hybrid model preserves council in-house

02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:47.016
expertise through the twoperson team

02:02:47.040 --> 02:02:48.856
that continues to deliver weekday

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services and the contractor arrangement

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simply allows us to scale up coverage

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where and when demand is highest

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particularly on Sundays without

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overextending internal resources. It is

02:02:59.679 --> 02:03:01.575
also a cost-effective and flexible

02:03:01.599 --> 02:03:03.336
approach rather than increasing

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permanent staffing levels for variable

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demand periods. Council is able to

02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.695
respond to peak needs in a targeted way,

02:03:10.719 --> 02:03:12.215
ensuring value for money while

02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:15.239
maintaining service standards. From a

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community perspective, this extension

02:03:17.440 --> 02:03:19.336
responds directly to issues that are

02:03:19.360 --> 02:03:21.736
regularly raised, including parking

02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:23.896
turnover, inappropriate parking

02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:26.215
behavior, and congestion during busy

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busy Sunday periods. Stronger coverage

02:03:29.040 --> 02:03:30.695
supports better compliance and more

02:03:30.719 --> 02:03:33.016
consistent experience across the week.

02:03:33.040 --> 02:03:35.256
In summary, this contract strengthens

02:03:35.280 --> 02:03:37.496
council's ability to manage parking in a

02:03:37.520 --> 02:03:40.215
fair, efficient, and responsive way. It

02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:43.239
reflects the reality of a 7day city and

02:03:43.280 --> 02:03:45.256
ensures our services are aligned with

02:03:45.280 --> 02:03:47.416
community expectations. I commend the

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report. Thank you,

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thank you, councelor Cuts. Would anyone

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else like to speak to the motion?

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Given that there are no further

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speakers, I now put the motion. Those in

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favor

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carried unanimously.

02:04:01.119 --> 02:04:04.119
We now go to item 10.5,

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sale of land.

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Sorry, will you?

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Oh, apologies. Councilors, would you

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like to have a break for 5 and a half

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minutes until 9:10?

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Okay, we're now going to reopen the

02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:25.960
meeting.

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We're now moving to item 10.5.

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S no, sorry. Yes. Yeah. Item 10.5. Sale

02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:39.095
of land part former Laneway adjacent to

02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:41.976
28 Merton Street, Boxill. Could I have a

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counselor move the item, please?

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Move, Mayor.

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Thank you, councelor Barker. Could I

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have someone second, please?

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I'll second.

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Councelor Griffith. Councelor Barker.

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Thanks.

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Thanks very much, Mayor. Um, this is the

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sale of discontinued um, laneway.

02:04:59.440 --> 02:05:02.440
Effectively, it's 35 square meters as

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outlined in the report. There's not a

02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:05.896
whole lot to add. Needless to say that

02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:07.736
the full statutory processes are being

02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:10.760
followed, but for a sum of $50,000. It's

02:05:11.199 --> 02:05:13.416
being sold to the the people that sort

02:05:13.440 --> 02:05:14.936
of back onto it, if that makes sense.

02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:17.175
But there is a process that needs to go

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through. even for the transacting of a a

02:05:19.760 --> 02:05:22.536
parcel of land this small. I suggest all

02:05:22.560 --> 02:05:25.336
council support it. Thank you, Maya.

02:05:25.360 --> 02:05:27.095
Thank you, councelor Barker. Councelor

02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:27.736
Griffith.

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Nothing further. Ma'am,

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would anyone else like to speak to the

02:05:30.400 --> 02:05:30.776
motion?

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 yes, Mayor.

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Councelor Simpson.

02:05:32.480 --> 02:05:34.135
 just one very quick point,

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councilors, that during the um community

02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:37.496
engagement period that concluded for

02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:39.416
this issue on the 8th of April this

02:05:39.440 --> 02:05:41.336
year, council had received zero

02:05:41.360 --> 02:05:43.575
community comments on the your say page,

02:05:43.599 --> 02:05:44.776
which I think has to be a bit of a

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record. So,  chances are no one in

02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:48.856
the community,  is opposed to this,

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so we should proceed.

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Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would

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anyone else like to speak to the motion?

02:05:55.040 --> 02:05:56.536
Given that there are no further

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speakers, I now put the motion. All

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those in favor?

02:06:00.320 --> 02:06:03.320
Passed unanimously.

02:06:07.360 --> 02:06:10.360
Now move to item 10.7, records of

02:06:10.480 --> 02:06:12.695
informal meetings of counselors. Could I

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have a counselor move the item? Happy to

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move. Mayor,

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thank you. Councelor Simpson second.

02:06:17.679 --> 02:06:18.536
Happy to second.

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Councelor Weller, thank you. Councelor

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Simpson,

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that's all in the report. Mayor,

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council,

02:06:23.440 --> 02:06:25.016
nothing further. Mayor,

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anyone would anyone like to speak to the

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motion? Given that there are no further

02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:31.655
speakers, I will put the motion. All

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those in favor? Pass unanimously.

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We now move to item 11.1 council

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delegate and conference seminar reports.

02:06:51.280 --> 02:06:53.496
Reports by delegates and reports by on

02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:55.336
conferences and seminars attendance. I

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remind councilors to submit your written

02:06:57.040 --> 02:06:58.936
supports. Please keep your verbal

02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:01.655
reports brief. I commence with councelor

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Simpson.

02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:04.536
Thank you, Mayor. On the 7th of May, I

02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:06.456
attended the MAV delegates pre-state

02:07:06.480 --> 02:07:08.135
council briefing. Um there's been a

02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:10.215
couple of these in the leadup to the

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state council in May. I also want to

02:07:12.239 --> 02:07:14.296
commend the MAV for the way that they

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are uh trying to engage all the MAV

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delegates in this region uh and allow us

02:07:19.679 --> 02:07:21.736
to work together for the benefit of the

02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:24.760
sector in the east of Melbourne. Um it

02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:27.016
was it was an informative session and I

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look forward to the state council. Uh on

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the 8th of May uh myself and you may

02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:34.135
attended the uh ERG meeting as well

02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:35.816
online.

02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:38.296
Thank you, Council Simpson. Council

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Davenport,

02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.496
no report.

02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:42.695
Councelor Gun,

02:07:42.719 --> 02:07:43.976
no report, ma'am.

02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:44.936
Council Griffith,

02:07:44.960 --> 02:07:46.055
no report, Mayor.

02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:47.336
Council Weller,

02:07:47.360 --> 02:07:50.360
on Wednesday, 22 April, I attended a

02:07:50.400 --> 02:07:52.776
Whitehorse Manningham Regional Library

02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:54.536
Corporation board briefing with

02:07:54.560 --> 02:07:57.560
Councelor Davenport.

02:08:01.040 --> 02:08:03.655
So, he did go. He

02:08:03.679 --> 02:08:05.736
Sorry.

02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:08.135
Good. The board provided feedback on the

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corporation's draft gender equality

02:08:10.480 --> 02:08:12.856
action plan and received a presentation

02:08:12.880 --> 02:08:15.880
from Beth Lepino, CEO of Connected

02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:17.976
Libraries on their recent change in

02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:21.000
governance structure. Thank you,

02:08:21.440 --> 02:08:22.456
Councelor Allen.

02:08:22.480 --> 02:08:25.256
Yes, Madame May. I attended the um White

02:08:25.280 --> 02:08:28.055
Sport and Recreation Advisory Committee

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uh meeting on Thursday, April 30th with

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Councelor Stennet. So I'll let let him

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do most of it. But just it was good. It

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was the first meeting of the um uh of

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the new of the new committee. So he uh

02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:44.520
introduced the new members um and they

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uh the staff McKinley was u s sort of

02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:52.376
was instructing the new people what to

02:08:52.400 --> 02:08:55.400
do uh as to their their responsibilities

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as far as onboarding and the

02:08:57.280 --> 02:08:59.256
expectations and things of that sort.

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more in this more of in the uh uh

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administrative type type of things. Um

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there was mention of a women in sports

02:09:06.800 --> 02:09:09.496
leadership program and that that was to

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be promoted and um so that's basically

02:09:12.719 --> 02:09:14.135
it but I'll leave the rest over to the

02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:16.536
the chairman Mr. Stenant the council

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stenant to report on that further. Thank

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you madam

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councelor Alan councelor Martin.

02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:25.095
Thank you Mayor. Yes, on Tuesday the

02:09:25.119 --> 02:09:28.119
21st of April, I was able to chair the

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final visual arts committee meeting um

02:09:32.880 --> 02:09:34.776
on behalf of Prew Cuts who was unwell at

02:09:34.800 --> 02:09:37.655
the time. So that was unfortunate. Um

02:09:37.679 --> 02:09:39.336
but yeah, it was good good meeting and I

02:09:39.360 --> 02:09:41.256
was good to meet all the committee and

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just honor all their hard work over the

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years and as it as it moves as it

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progresses as we've uh talked about in

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Reel Council Chambers. So um yeah, it

02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:51.976
was a really really good meeting. Thank

02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:54.296
you.

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Thank you, Councelor Martin. Councelor

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Cuts. 

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no report, Mayor.

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Thank you, Councelor Cuts. Councelor

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Stennet. 

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thank you, Mayor. I I did attend the uh

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sports and rec meeting on 30th of April

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in my role of chair with Councelor Peter

02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:10.695
Allen. Um, the committee received an

02:10:10.719 --> 02:10:12.936
overview of council's women's in sport

02:10:12.960 --> 02:10:15.095
leadership program and we were

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encouraged to promote the initiative

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through our networks. Um, nominations

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now closed. It's been extended to 17th

02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:23.655
of May and women may nominate themselves

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or be nominated by a club

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representative. Uh the committee also

02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:30.520
discussed broader support and recreation

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planning across Whitehorse in including

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integrated path networks, open space

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planning and opportunities to improve

02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:39.880
community access to facilities. Um

02:10:39.920 --> 02:10:41.816
members supported further exploration of

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an interactive map connecting sporting

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grounds, playgrounds, toilets and shared

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paths across the municipality. Um we

02:10:48.719 --> 02:10:50.936
actually did a little impropy worksheet

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uh workshop I think uh was McKinley's

02:10:55.280 --> 02:10:57.175
idea. It was really good. um got it

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members up and about and uh got the

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butchers paper out and the markers and

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we did um little workshop with lots of

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really good questions to uh generate a

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lot of really good discussion and ideas

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and actually provide a lot of I think

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provides some focus for the for the

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committee for the year and it's probably

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something that um it probably worthwhile

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at the beginning of every every

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committee we have I think it's actually

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a worthwhile exercise to provide um some

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ideas and generate interest um and focus

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for the year ahead. Um, finally, updates

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were provided on the community

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engagement currently underway for the

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indoor sports plan and man's reserve

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master plan. Thank you.

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Thank you, Council Sten. Councelor

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Barker,

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no report, ma'am.

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Thank you, Council Barker. I also

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attended on the 21st of April uh the

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visual arts committee with councelor

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Martin and on the 10th of May the ERG

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counselors I seek a motion to receive

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and note these reports. Would someone

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please move?

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Happy to move. May

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councelor Simpson second.

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Second.

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Councelor Weller. Thank you. I now put

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the motion. Keep your hands in the air.

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Pass unanimously.

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We now before we close the meeting to

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the public this month, Whitehorse

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proudly celebrates 55 years of

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friendship with our sister city Matsudo

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in Japan. To mark this milestone, a

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commemorative plaque will be unveiled at

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the Green Tree Planting Day um tomorrow

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on the 12th of May. You're invited to

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enjoy a range of cultural events and

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experiences this May as part of Mitsudo

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Week. For more information, please visit

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creative white. The final two items are

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confidential items as follows. 12.1

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domestic animal management committee

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disability advisory committee and the

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reconciliation advisory committee

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membership endorsement and 12.2 the

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possible acquisition of land. I would

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I now speak a mover to close the meeting

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and to consider the confidential items.

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Happy to move ma'am.

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Councelor Weller someone second please.

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Seconded madame may

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councelor Allen and I'll now put the

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motion please keep your hands up in the

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air.

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Councelor Allen, Councelor. Those in

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favor, councelor Allen, Councelor

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Weller, Coun Councelor Gun, Council

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Davenport, Council Simpson, Councelor

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Langford, Councelor Cuts, and Councelor

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Martin. Those against, Councelor

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Griffith, Councelor Stennet, and

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Councelor Barker. The motion is carried.

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The next ordinary meeting of council

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will be held on Monday the 1st of June,

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2026. I now close the public meeting at

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9:20.

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Sorry, I was looking at the two side

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clocks. At 2 minutes, apologies.

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9:20 and 15 seconds.

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920.