WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.936 Good evening everyone. I am councelor 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:04.696 Kirsten Langford, Mayor of Whitehorse 00:00:04.720 --> 00:00:07.335 City Council and I welcome all who have 00:00:07.359 --> 00:00:09.416 joined this evening's council meeting 00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:12.440 both in person and online. 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.016 As we recognize World Environment Day 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:17.416 this week, it was terrific to recently 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.816 visit the repair cafe at Strathton House 00:00:19.840 --> 00:00:21.816 and meet with dedicated volunteers who 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:24.536 help residents repair and reuse everyday 00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:27.560 items. The free repair cafe is open on 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:29.896 the second Saturday of each month from 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.920 10 to 12, sorry, 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.176 And I encourage residents to come along 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:37.736 and support this wonderful initiative. 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:40.456 Now for a bit of housekeeping. Council 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:42.855 live streams council meetings. And while 00:00:42.879 --> 00:00:45.879 all care is taken to maintain privacy, 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.695 someone attending the meeting in the 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.256 public gallery may be recorded and 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.280 appear in the live stream. A copy of the 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:55.816 live stream will be available for 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.840 viewing on council's website within 48 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:02.600 hours. We kindly advise that audio, 00:01:03.199 --> 00:01:05.896 video, and photographic recording is not 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:08.920 permitted within council chambers unless 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:11.415 prior approval has been granted by 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.135 council. There is only one person in the 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.296 room who has permission to take photos 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:19.320 tonight and they know who they are. 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.415 I thank you for your um and they have 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:22.696 been approved. I thank you for your 00:01:22.720 --> 00:01:25.095 cooperation on this matter. I will now 00:01:25.119 --> 00:01:26.856 formally open this council meeting and 00:01:26.880 --> 00:01:28.296 will recite the opening and 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:30.296 acknowledgement of country. Please stand 00:01:30.320 --> 00:01:33.320 if you are able to. 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:38.536 We give thanks,O God, for the Men and 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.856 Women of the past whose generous 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:43.016 devotion to the common good has been the 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.976 making of our City. Grant that our 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:47.896 generation may build worthily on this 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.696 foundations that they have laid. Direct 00:01:50.720 --> 00:01:53.496 our minds to all we plan and determined 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:56.520 is for the well-being of our City. Amen. 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.496 Acknowledgement of country. Whitehorse City 00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:03.176 Council acknowledges the Wurundjeri 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.415 Woi Wurrung People of the Kulin Nation 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.016 as the Traditional Owners of the land 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.416 that we are meeting on and we pay our 00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:11.256 respects to their Elders past, present 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:13.176 and emerging and Aboriginal and 00:02:13.200 --> 00:02:15.096 Torres Strait Islanders from communities who 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.120 may be present today. Please be seated. 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:24.935 I would now like to introduce our 00:02:24.959 --> 00:02:27.096 counselors, commencing with counselors 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.575 on my left. Councelor, sorry, Deputy 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.256 Mayor Councelor Kieran Simpson. 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:32.376 Good evening, Mayor. Good evening all 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:33.816 and a special welcome to everyone who's 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:35.976 turned in up in the gallery tonight. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.376 Councelor Andrew Davenport. 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.696 Good evening, everyone. Welcome. 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:42.056 Councelor Jarrod Gunn. 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:43.336 Good evening, Mayor. Good evening all. 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:44.215 Welcome. 00:02:44.239 --> 00:02:45.976 Councelor Daniel Griffiths. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.896 Good evening all. Welcome. Councelor 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:49.336 Hayley Weller. 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.656 Good evening and welcome. 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.096 Councelor Peter Allan. 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.016 Good evening to you all and welcome. 00:02:55.040 --> 00:02:56.456 Councelor Jason Martin. 00:02:56.480 --> 00:02:57.816 Hello everyone and welcome to everyone 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.256 who's come along tonight. Thank you. 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.456 Councelor Prue Cutts. 00:03:00.480 --> 00:03:01.976 Good evening everyone and wonderful to 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.056 see such an engagement in democracy 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.376 here. So thank you for coming. Councelor 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:07.656 Ben Stennett. 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.575 Good evening everyone. Welcome. 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.656 Councelor Blair Barker. 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.056 Evening Mayor. Evening all. 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.295 We also joined by the CEO and senior 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:17.976 officers and I will commence with the 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:19.736 chief executive officer Simon 00:03:19.760 --> 00:03:21.016 McMillan. 00:03:21.040 --> 00:03:23.016 Good evening everyone and welcome 00:03:23.040 --> 00:03:24.855 Jeff Green the director of city 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.736 development. Steven White 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:29.256 the director of infrastructure and 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.976 sustainability. Lisa Letic the director 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:34.456 of community life. Stuart Cann the 00:03:34.480 --> 00:03:36.215 director of corporate services who I 00:03:36.239 --> 00:03:37.495 believe is at the back helping people 00:03:37.519 --> 00:03:40.519 with chairs. Thank you Stuart. 00:03:40.799 --> 00:03:43.016 Siobhan Sullivan, executive 00:03:43.040 --> 00:03:45.096 manager of futures and technology, 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:47.176 Vivienne Felano, manager of integrity 00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:49.176 and performance, and members of our 00:03:49.200 --> 00:03:52.200 governance and IT teams. 00:03:55.440 --> 00:03:57.816 I will now note any apologies and seek a 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.575 motion to accept any leave of absence 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:01.816 requests. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.656 There are none, so I will move to item 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.575 three. I will now call for any 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.976 disclosures of interests. Are there any 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.215 disclosures? If declared, I require the 00:04:10.239 --> 00:04:12.215 councils and officers to disclose their 00:04:12.239 --> 00:04:13.896 interest and the nature of that 00:04:13.920 --> 00:04:15.096 interest. 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:15.736 Yes, Mayor. 00:04:15.760 --> 00:04:17.016 Councilor Weller, 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.416 I declare a material conflict of 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:22.440 interest in item 10.1, heritage review 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.199 2024. The affected persons in relation 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.336 to a property in a group listing are 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.816 members of my immediate family. 00:04:31.840 --> 00:04:34.455 Thank you, councelor Weller. We now move 00:04:34.479 --> 00:04:36.615 on to the confirmation of minutes item 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.016 four. Councilors, I'm seeking a mover to 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:40.455 confirm the minutes for the council 00:04:40.479 --> 00:04:43.479 meeting held on the 11th of May, 2026. 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:44.615 Happy to move, Mayor. 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.856 Thank you, councelor Simpson. Can I have 00:04:46.880 --> 00:04:48.296 a counselor second? 00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:49.016 Second, Mayor. 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.576 Thank you, councelor Weller. Does the 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.496 mover wish to speak? 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:56.056 , only to say, Mayor, that I'm 00:04:56.080 --> 00:04:58.536 glad that the confidential minutes were 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.216 included in in the minutes of that 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.256 meeting. 00:05:01.280 --> 00:05:03.016 Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Councelor 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:03.656 Weller, 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.096 nothing further to add. Mayor, 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.256 I'll now put the motion. All of those in 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:08.856 favor 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:11.096 passed unanimously. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.895 Item five, urgent businesses. 00:05:13.919 --> 00:05:15.735 Councilors, are there any items of 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.376 urgent business this evening? 00:05:18.400 --> 00:05:20.136 As there are no items of urgent 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.160 business, we will move to the next item. 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.680 Item six, request to speak. 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:29.096 Request to speak enables members of the 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:31.096 community to speak directly to the 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.120 council at a council meeting. Tonight 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.296 councilors we have 20 registered 00:05:36.320 --> 00:05:37.816 speakers. 00:05:37.840 --> 00:05:40.296 Before we proceed, given the number of 00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:42.615 speakers, I will seek a mover for a 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.296 procedural motion to suspend the 00:05:44.320 --> 00:05:46.536 standing orders to allow all registered 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.615 speakers to be heard. 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.296 Mayor, I'd like to move that council 00:05:50.320 --> 00:05:51.976 suspend standing orders to allow all 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:53.895 registered speakers to be heard at 00:05:53.919 --> 00:05:56.776 item six with each speaker remaining 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.256 subject to the 3minute time limit. 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:01.895 Thank you Simpson. Thank you councelor 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:03.816 Barker. Do you wish to speak to the 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:04.536 motion? 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:05.576 no ma'am. 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:06.856 Councilor Barker, 00:06:06.880 --> 00:06:07.656 no. 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.680 I'll now put the motion. Those in favor? 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.800 Unanimous. 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.776 Each speaker tonight is grant is granted 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.800 up to strictly 3 minutes to present 00:06:19.840 --> 00:06:22.840 their subject matter. A bell will alert 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.680 you when there are 30 seconds remaining. 00:06:27.039 --> 00:06:30.039 Please ensure your speech is respectful, 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.576 relevant, and expressed in a in a manner 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.600 that upholds courtesy. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.656 Our first speaker tonight is Joanne Hart 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.680 Parker, Jets Junior Football Club. I now 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.199 invite Joanne to the lectern. 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:53.256 Thank you. Mayor and counselors, I speak 00:06:53.280 --> 00:06:56.280 in opposition to the petition presented 00:06:56.479 --> 00:06:58.776 will that will be presented tonight 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.696 seeking to relocate the Jets Junior 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.936 Football Club from Heather Dar Reserve. 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:05.416 I respectfully submit that the decision 00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:07.336 would have a significant and adverse 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.656 impact on the children, families, and 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.056 volunteers who make up our junior club 00:07:12.080 --> 00:07:14.455 community, and I urge the council to 00:07:14.479 --> 00:07:16.056 allow the Jets juniors to remain at 00:07:16.080 --> 00:07:18.536 Heatherdale. This matter is not simply 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.856 about the relocation of a sporting club. 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:23.416 It's about continuity, fairness, and the 00:07:23.440 --> 00:07:25.976 preservation of a long-standing junior 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:27.575 football program that has served the 00:07:27.599 --> 00:07:30.216 local community for decades. Invested 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.615 substantially in local facilities and 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.295 provided a safe and inclusive 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.455 environment for young people. I 00:07:36.479 --> 00:07:38.696 respectfully ask the council to reject 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.936 the petition for the following reasons. 00:07:40.960 --> 00:07:42.776 Heather Dale has been home to junior 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.735 football since the 1960s and has a long 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.256 established connection with local 00:07:47.280 --> 00:07:49.496 families and the wider community. The 00:07:49.520 --> 00:07:51.496 Heatherdale and Heathmont Junior clubs 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:54.520 merged in the late 1990s to ensure the 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.855 ongoing strength and viability of junior 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.175 football in the area. For approximately 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.496 30 years, White Horse Council has 00:08:01.520 --> 00:08:03.656 recognized the Jets Juniors as part of 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.575 its sporting community through the 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:08.056 allocation of Heather Dale Reserve. The 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:09.656 Jets Junior Football Club is 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.895 self-sufficient, raising their own funds 00:08:11.919 --> 00:08:14.696 and managing their own operations. Over 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:16.696 many years, the Jets Juniors have met 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.376 the relevant costs associated with 00:08:18.400 --> 00:08:20.936 Heatherdale Reserve and have contributed 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:22.455 materially to its maintenance and 00:08:22.479 --> 00:08:25.096 improvement. The club has significantly 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.256 invested time and funds into the 00:08:27.280 --> 00:08:29.416 development of the reserve, including 00:08:29.440 --> 00:08:31.656 contributions towards the new club rooms 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.680 completed in 2023 and the upgrades to 00:08:34.719 --> 00:08:36.776 the scoreboard. These improvements 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:38.536 reflect a sustained commitment by 00:08:38.560 --> 00:08:41.015 volunteers, families to the facility and 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.575 the wider community. The Jets juniors 00:08:43.599 --> 00:08:45.976 currently have filled 12 teams with over 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.456 250 players with further growth 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.856 anticipated next season. This is the 00:08:50.880 --> 00:08:53.576 strong and expanding junior program that 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.600 requires stability and continuity. Above 00:08:56.880 --> 00:08:59.096 all, I ask the council to give proper 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.255 weight to the interests of the children 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.656 and the families who rely on this club. 00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:05.576 The Jets Junior Football Club have 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.576 established a stable and successful home 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:09.815 at Heatherdale throughout many years of 00:09:09.839 --> 00:09:12.216 service, fundraising, and community 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:14.616 commitment. To require the club to 00:09:14.640 --> 00:09:16.776 relocate now after substantial 00:09:16.800 --> 00:09:19.255 investment, sustained growth would 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.336 create unnecessary disruption and 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.976 disadvantage for the very young people 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.616 community sport is intended to support. 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:28.856 For those reasons, I respectfully urge 00:09:28.880 --> 00:09:31.096 council to reject the petition and 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:32.935 permit the Jets juniors to remain at 00:09:32.959 --> 00:09:35.959 Heather D. Thank you. 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.176 Thank you, Joanne. Our second speaker 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.200 tonight is Gian Shen. I now invite Gian 00:09:42.560 --> 00:09:45.560 to the lecton. 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.056 Good evening, May and counselors. My 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.016 lamb Jen the owner of the 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:56.040 00:09:56.959 --> 00:09:59.576 the past five years had been a beautiful 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.600 experience however on the sixth of May 00:10:03.839 --> 00:10:06.839 consist net complete shuttered our peace 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.320 life leaving my wife Linda and me in 00:10:11.839 --> 00:10:14.839 deep anxiety 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.120 I'm here tonight to launch a formal 00:10:18.640 --> 00:10:21.640 objection against the inclusion of my 00:10:21.920 --> 00:10:24.920 property in the proposed 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.360 heritage overlay. I'm speaking tonight 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.399 to request to complete exactration of my 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.240 property from the proposed heritage of 00:10:35.680 --> 00:10:38.680 array. This heritage purpose is deeply 00:10:39.839 --> 00:10:42.839 flawed and based on serious errors. 00:10:42.959 --> 00:10:45.959 First, there is a fundamental 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:48.536 administrative 00:10:48.560 --> 00:10:50.696 error on page 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.720 123 of the draft report. My property 00:10:54.160 --> 00:10:57.160 address is incorrectly recordings 00:10:57.760 --> 00:11:00.760 clear court instead of street. If the 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.200 experts can't even verify a basic fical 00:11:05.839 --> 00:11:08.839 address, how can we trust this report? 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.935 Second, the report claims the condition 00:11:12.959 --> 00:11:15.959 of the house is all good. This is 00:11:16.079 --> 00:11:19.079 completely wrong. In reality, my home 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.240 suffers from several structure damage. 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.440 We have made cracking on the walls a 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.440 decaying chimney and rusted roing timber 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:34.760 windows. Our VO world councelor is 00:11:34.959 --> 00:11:37.016 already 00:11:37.040 --> 00:11:40.040 aware of these hazards. including 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.120 heritage limits on our hard 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.440 house will trap us in endless red tape 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:52.279 creating massive barriers for urgent 00:11:53.760 --> 00:11:56.696 repairs or any future lockdown and 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.576 rebuild tonight I'm not standing here 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.600 alone I have submit I joined the 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.279 petition signed by 17 surrounding local 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.656 households who fully support my 00:12:09.680 --> 00:12:12.680 objection. We urge councelor to 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.360 listening to the community exercise 00:12:16.560 --> 00:12:19.560 calms sense and exciting 00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:21.255 to King Street. 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:22.375 You have 30 seconds. 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:23.336 Thank you. 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:25.736 Thank you very much, Gian. 00:12:25.760 --> 00:12:28.055 Thank you. 00:12:28.079 --> 00:12:30.776 Our third speaker tonight is Daniela 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:32.375 Minglarati, 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.536 Vermont. I invite Dianiela to the 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:37.560 lecton. 00:12:39.839 --> 00:12:41.736 Um, good evening Mayor and counselors. 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:43.736 My name is Daniellea Miller and I'm the 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:46.055 owner and rate payer of 00:12:46.079 --> 00:12:48.456 I'm standing here 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:50.375 tonight to strongly support the lead 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.696 petitioner, my next door neighbor, Gian, 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.935 and to formally object the proposed 00:12:54.959 --> 00:12:57.959 heritage overlay. Our houses at 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.416 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.416 We are regular hardworking families and 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.656 this rush proposal has brought immense 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:07.176 stress 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.255 and confusion to our entire pocket of 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.576 the neighborhood. This heritage proposal 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.416 is a completely detached from reality 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.136 for two main reasons. First, the report 00:13:16.160 --> 00:13:18.615 claims to protect a cohesive and intact 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.935 post-war streetscape. This is simply 00:13:20.959 --> 00:13:23.096 untrue. Our neighborhood has already 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.736 evolved significantly. For example, my 00:13:25.760 --> 00:13:27.495 own property at 2A has undergone 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.815 extensive renovations, including a 00:13:29.839 --> 00:13:31.096 contemporary fence and modern 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.495 landscaping. The historical character 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:35.255 the council wants to protect no longer 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.279 exists on this grounds. Secondly, this 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.136 overlay ignores the severe physical 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:44.055 reality of our buildings. As Gian 00:13:44.079 --> 00:13:46.375 mentioned, these houses have major 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.615 structural disrepair, rotting materials, 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.336 and safety hazards. Imposing strict 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.416 heritage controls on properties in this 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.136 condition is impractical. It will trap 00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:58.856 us in endless bureaucratic red tape and 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:01.255 massive costs blocking ordinary families 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.896 from maintaining safe modern homes or 00:14:03.920 --> 00:14:06.696 pursuing future redevelopments. 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.776 We have submitted a joint petition 00:14:08.800 --> 00:14:11.800 signed by 17 surrounding households. The 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.615 voices community is very clear. We urge 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.416 council to listen to these residents um 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.736 and also completely extract King's clear 00:14:19.760 --> 00:14:21.656 from this proposal. Thank you for your 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:24.536 time. 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:26.856 Thank you Daniela. 00:14:26.880 --> 00:14:29.096 Our fourth speaker tonight is Premude 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.416 Camura 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.336 Shivarama here. 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.456 It's I get it 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.935 from Forest Hill. I hope that that's 00:14:36.959 --> 00:14:37.736 close to it. 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:38.136 Yes. 00:14:38.160 --> 00:14:41.160 Um I now invite Premier to the lecton. 00:14:41.839 --> 00:14:43.576 Good evening C Mayor and all the 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.055 councilors. I am the coordinator for 00:14:46.079 --> 00:14:48.456 Andrea Street Men and Road and Shady 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.456 Grove resident action group. Before 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.216 addressing our objections, our community 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:53.976 thanks councelor Jason Martin for 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.976 visiting our neighborhood to inspect our 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.495 blocks and listen to our onground 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.736 realities. We also thank councilors who 00:14:59.760 --> 00:15:01.255 formally acknowledged our petition 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.055 email. Tonight we speak for a commanding 00:15:04.079 --> 00:15:07.079 78% majority. Under citation P 04, 11 00:15:07.760 --> 00:15:09.896 out of 14 affected households standing 00:15:09.920 --> 00:15:12.136 together in complete opposition to this 00:15:12.160 --> 00:15:14.456 heritage overlay. The core flaw of this 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.375 heritage citation is that it treats our 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.216 properties as an abstract study 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.136 completely ignoring severe on 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:23.016 constraints. Our precinct features tight 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:25.815 irregular wet shape allotments that 00:15:25.839 --> 00:15:27.576 sharply restrict future addition. 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.136 Layering a rigid heritage framework on 00:15:30.160 --> 00:15:33.160 top of existing SLO06 vegetation rules 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.536 creates double layer restriction making 00:15:36.560 --> 00:15:38.296 practical modifications a physical 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.776 impossibility. My own property sits 00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:42.696 highly on a restrictive triangular wedge 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.175 load where forcing heritage control on 00:15:45.199 --> 00:15:47.416 top of the existing geometric constraint 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:49.735 and the vegetation overlay makes any 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:51.416 future adoptions a mathematical 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:54.296 impossibility. 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.216 The council's desktop citation claims 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.055 that the streetscape represents an 00:15:58.079 --> 00:16:01.079 intact, highly consistent mid-century 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.416 profile. This is factually incorrect. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.175 The architectural integrity of this 00:16:05.199 --> 00:16:06.856 precinct has already been completely 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:09.336 fractured by decades of substantial 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.136 necessary modern alterations. Six Andrew 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:14.536 Street. The failed original butman roof 00:16:14.560 --> 00:16:15.896 was stripped and replaced with a 00:16:15.920 --> 00:16:17.815 colorbound steel deck, external gutters, 00:16:17.839 --> 00:16:20.296 and modern flashings. 16 Andrew Street 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.375 claimed as an intact Alistister Knox 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.375 design. Yet the owners have lived there 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.399 since 1969 and have oversaw massive 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.600 structural changes in 1977, completely 00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:32.216 moving the carport, changing the 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.216 driveways to modern paves and reducing 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.296 the number of fulllength front windows 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.320 from 8 to 4. 35 Menon Road is a home for 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:41.175 long-term residents who have lived there 00:16:41.199 --> 00:16:43.976 for 36 years. Long ago, they have 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.375 extensively altered the front carport 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.055 garage, meaning the home's visual 00:16:48.079 --> 00:16:51.079 profile has completely been modified. 49 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.175 Men and Road features a front granny 00:16:53.199 --> 00:16:54.935 flat with conflicting roof heights, 00:16:54.959 --> 00:16:57.336 multiple extensions using entirely 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.016 different construction material. This 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:01.175 home shares virtually no relation to its 00:17:01.199 --> 00:17:04.199 original 1960 design. 68A Shady Grove 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.456 features extensively modernized recently 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.616 brick paved driveway across the entire 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.775 front profile, completely modernizing 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.576 the landscape. counselors. 00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:15.655 These are living heavily modified homes, 00:17:15.679 --> 00:17:17.415 dealing with severe land and spatial 00:17:17.439 --> 00:17:19.976 constraints, forcing a hob here means 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:21.976 ordinary families trying to keep their 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.815 properties functional will be penalized 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.576 with thousands of dollars in compliance 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:28.295 cost and often planning delays. We ask 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:30.056 you tonight to listen to your local 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:32.296 community and entirely exclude citation 00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:34.936 P 04 precinct from this amendment. Thank 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.696 you. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.720 Thank you, Pam. Our fifth speaker 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.559 tonight is Ry Dowling, Forest Hill. I 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.240 now invite Rey to the lecton. 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.616 Good evening, Mayor and counselors. My 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.640 name is Marie. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.736 My home is one of the properties being 00:17:55.760 --> 00:17:58.760 targeted under the proposed citation P04 00:17:59.840 --> 00:18:02.376 heritage overlay. While the council's 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.376 heritage report looks very neat on paper 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.775 as a desktop study, claiming our 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.696 precinct is in good condition, I'm here 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.535 tonight to bring the real physical and 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:13.559 financial reality of our street into 00:18:13.679 --> 00:18:16.376 this chamber. My own home is currently 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.376 suffering from major active structural 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.176 issues that require urgent remediation. 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.015 Over the years, the visual state of my 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.039 property has already been ma permanently 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.216 altered from the original 1950s 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.696 condition with extension of maintenance 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.176 such as complete new roof, the front 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.736 fascia and carports front-facing wall 00:18:35.760 --> 00:18:38.760 fully repainted in non-original tones. 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.015 However, the structural issues are far 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.816 more critical than paint. And I'm not 00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:45.816 alone in this. Across our precinct, 00:18:45.840 --> 00:18:47.736 multiple homes are dealing with active 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:49.895 foundation movement and structural 00:18:49.919 --> 00:18:52.376 failure due to the highly reactive local 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.400 soil. For example, 46 Men and Road is 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.000 actively suffering from major structural 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.200 soil subsidance, foundation shifting and 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.496 severely leaking internal box gutters. 00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:08.136 Meanwhile, 68 Shady Grove is 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.015 experiencing major active structural 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:13.496 masonry and foundation failures that 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:15.576 make strict heritage conservation 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:18.376 structurally unsafe and economically 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.176 unfeasible. Imposing a rigid heritage 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.655 framework is in on such properties 00:19:23.679 --> 00:19:26.535 penalizes residents. The financial 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.616 burden this overlay creates is deeply 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.176 unjust. I am a single retired school 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.736 teacher who worked for decades to fully 00:19:33.760 --> 00:19:36.760 pay off my home loan by myself. Today I 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:38.775 live by myself, mostly on a fixed 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.256 pension, navigating a brutal cost of 00:19:41.280 --> 00:19:43.976 living and inflation crisis. Under a 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.696 heritage overlay, a simple wall repair, 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.096 foundation stabilization, or window 00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:51.416 replacement is no longer standard 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.976 upkeep. It legally triggers a need for 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.696 specialized heritage architects, , 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.655 council planning permits, and expensive 00:19:59.679 --> 00:20:02.679 custom matched building materials. 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.576 Forcing a solo pensioner to absor absorb 00:20:05.600 --> 00:20:08.535 these exorbitant construction premiums 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.015 is an immense and unfair penalty. More 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.496 importantly, this property is my primary 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:16.520 asset and my financial safety net. My 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.576 home represents my life's savings, the 00:20:19.600 --> 00:20:22.216 essential final financial equity I will 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.936 strictly rely upon at a later end of my 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.336 life to fund and support my own age care 00:20:27.360 --> 00:20:29.816 needs. By freezing my home under an 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:32.216 unwanted, restrictive overlay, you 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.376 artificially devalue my asset, diminish 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:36.936 its market liquidity, and directly strip 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.176 me of the financial security I need to 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.576 fund my future health and care. Thank 00:20:41.600 --> 00:20:42.856 you. 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:44.456 Thank you. 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.480 Thank you very much, Reed. 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:50.616 Our sixth speaker tonight is Reverend 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.576 Nick Martin, Mitchum Baptist Church. I 00:20:53.600 --> 00:20:56.600 now invite Nick to the collect. 00:21:03.840 --> 00:21:05.256 Thank you, Mayor and council, for the 00:21:05.280 --> 00:21:07.416 opportunity to speak with you tonight. 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:09.256 , I wish to speak about the impact 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:11.336 that a heritage overlay would have on 00:21:11.360 --> 00:21:13.736 our church building at 8 to12 Similar 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:15.736 Street. I want to begin by acknowledging 00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:18.535 that heritage preservation is important. 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.616 Buildings and places tell a community's 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.256 story, and so we appreciate council's 00:21:23.280 --> 00:21:25.256 desire to preserve elements of White 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:26.856 Horse's heritage, history, and 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.256 character. However, tonight is not 00:21:29.280 --> 00:21:31.176 simply about preserving buildings from 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.200 the past. It's also about ensuring 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.336 important community assets can meet 00:21:37.360 --> 00:21:39.096 current and future needs within our 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:41.736 municipality. Mitchum Baptist Church is 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:44.056 not a dormant historical site. We are an 00:21:44.080 --> 00:21:46.856 active church with over 350 people, some 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.336 of whom are here tonight. And every week 00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:51.256 our building is used by families, 00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:53.416 community groups, older residents, 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.736 children, and others seeking connection 00:21:55.760 --> 00:21:58.616 and support. As we look to the future, 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.176 we are eager to deepen our service to 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.736 the community and to ensure our 00:22:03.760 --> 00:22:05.496 facility continues serving local 00:22:05.520 --> 00:22:08.135 residents well for decades to come. In 00:22:08.159 --> 00:22:10.696 fact, over the past two years, we have 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.576 been actively exploring how our facility 00:22:13.600 --> 00:22:16.296 could evolve to better meet the changing 00:22:16.320 --> 00:22:18.616 needs of our community, particularly in 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.376 areas such as accessibility and 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.856 inclusion. And those conversations have 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:24.856 highlighted existing barriers within the 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.376 building, including the split level 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.936 frontage, which does make accessible 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:30.616 accessibility difficult for older 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:31.976 residents, particularly those with 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.216 disabilities and others with mobility 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.775 chAllanges. For us, council, this is not 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.096 merely a design issue. It's a people 00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:41.336 issue. For example, if a child in a 00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:42.936 wheelchair cannot access parts of our 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.096 kids ministry, the building is not 00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:47.336 serving the community as it should. If 00:22:47.360 --> 00:22:49.176 older residents struggle to participate 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.096 because of accessibility barriers, then 00:22:51.120 --> 00:22:53.096 preserving those barriers cannot be 00:22:53.120 --> 00:22:55.976 considered a community win. Our concern 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.736 is that the proposed heritage overlay 00:22:57.760 --> 00:22:59.336 will make future improvements 00:22:59.360 --> 00:23:01.736 significantly more difficult and 00:23:01.760 --> 00:23:04.135 expensive to achieve. Additional permit 00:23:04.159 --> 00:23:06.296 requirements, consultant costs, design 00:23:06.320 --> 00:23:08.456 limitations, delays, compliance 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.416 obligations, these all carry very real 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.256 consequences for a community group with 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:16.056 a limited budget. Every additional 00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:18.376 dollar spent navigating those processes 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.616 is ultimately a dollar that cannot be 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.015 invested in community support, outreach, 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.856 or helping vulnerable people in our 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.576 local areas. We are not asking council 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:30.296 to choose between heritage or community. 00:23:30.320 --> 00:23:32.216 We're simply asking that preserving the 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.936 past does not come at the expense of 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.775 serving people in the present and the 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.176 future. Last week, we submitted a 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.816 petition containing 184 signatures to 00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:44.135 support our request. And we respectfully 00:23:44.159 --> 00:23:46.216 asked council to remove Mitchum Baptist 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.616 Church at 8 to 12 Similar Streets from 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:51.096 heritage overlay consideration so we can 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:52.775 continue serving the Whitehorse 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.096 community alongside council in an 00:23:55.120 --> 00:23:57.576 accessible, inclusive, and sustainable 00:23:57.600 --> 00:24:00.135 way for generations to come. Thank you 00:24:00.159 --> 00:24:01.416 for the opportunity to address you 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.256 tonight. 00:24:03.280 --> 00:24:06.280 Thank you. 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.799 Thank you, Nick. 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:14.616 Our seventh speaker tonight is Lee Chang 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.640 Wu, Boxhill North. And now invite Lee 00:24:17.760 --> 00:24:20.760 Chang to the lectern. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.336 Good evening, Mayor and counselors. 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:28.360 my name is Ling Wu. 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.255 my family has has been living in 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.216 White Horse for more than 15 years and 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.696 we greatly value being part of this 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.655 community. While we respect the 00:24:41.679 --> 00:24:44.056 council's intention to preserve local 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:47.080 history and heritage character, I'm here 00:24:47.760 --> 00:24:50.376 tonight to raise serious concerns 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.400 regarding the accuracy of the heritage 00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:56.520 assessment for our property. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.880 The Heritage Review 2024 report citation 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:02.135 P02 00:25:02.159 --> 00:25:05.159 describes 26 Lorden Street as an intact 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.640 example of a T2A design. However, the 00:25:12.159 --> 00:25:15.159 available evidence suggest that this 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.056 assessment may not reflect the current 00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:20.856 condition of the building. please 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.176 refer to the PDF document that has been 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.895 circulated to counelors as I briefly 00:25:25.919 --> 00:25:28.919 summarize the key fact. Turning first to 00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:31.895 evidence one. The sidebyside 00:25:31.919 --> 00:25:34.135 comparison demonstrate that the 00:25:34.159 --> 00:25:37.159 property's current facade window 00:25:37.679 --> 00:25:40.616 proposions and the roof line differs 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.640 significantly from the original 1951 T2A 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:47.736 design. the during has been 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:50.616 substantially modified and no longer 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.496 resembles the original model identified 00:25:53.520 --> 00:25:55.576 in the citation. 00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:58.600 secondly, evidence for two 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:01.576 contains um council's own building 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:04.600 permit register. These records show 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.799 major applude additions in 1958, 1982 00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:12.360 and 1988, including alterations to 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.799 bedrooms, dining areas, and the study 00:26:15.919 --> 00:26:17.496 spaces. 00:26:17.520 --> 00:26:20.376 These documented changes are difficult 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.400 to reconcile with the report assessment 00:26:24.159 --> 00:26:27.159 of a good intactness. thirdly, 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:30.296 evidence three shows that the original 00:26:30.320 --> 00:26:33.320 timber windows has been replaced with 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.440 aluminum windows and the original roof 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.336 materials has been replaced with modern 00:26:39.360 --> 00:26:42.360 metal roofing. These are significant 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.480 departures from the original 1950s 00:26:45.919 --> 00:26:48.296 building fabric. 00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:51.320 Taken together, these alterations raise 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:54.296 serious doubt about whether the property 00:26:54.320 --> 00:26:57.015 can still be accurated described as an 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.039 intact example of T2A design of assessed 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:04.600 or having good intactness. Counselors, 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.176 I have provided this evidence for your 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.816 consideration. I respectfully 00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:12.216 ask council to recognize these concerns 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.240 and ex 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:18.216 the proposed heritage oist. Thank you 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.015 for your time and consideration. 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:24.039 Thank you Leang. 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.376 Our eighth speaker tonight is Daniel 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.400 Kara Blackburn. I now invite Daniel to 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.000 the lectern. 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:36.856 Good evening and thank you for the 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.176 opportunity to speak. My name is Daniel 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.176 Crochia, a third generation Blackburn 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.200 resident representing my aunt Lucy 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.895 who sits with us here today. We request 00:27:47.919 --> 00:27:50.056 that be removed from the proposed 00:27:50.080 --> 00:27:52.135 heritage overlay listing as the evidence 00:27:52.159 --> 00:27:53.576 does not demonstrate heritage 00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:55.255 significance. 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.015 Of the eight heritage criteria 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.096 stipulated by the state local heritage 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:01.655 criteria and threshold guidelines, the 00:28:01.679 --> 00:28:03.736 review finds the small home service or 00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:06.760 SHS group meets only two criteria, 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.535 meaning six are immediately out of 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.336 scope. So we submit that 15 street does 00:28:11.360 --> 00:28:14.056 not meet these remaining two criteria. 00:28:14.080 --> 00:28:16.056 An independent heritage consultant has 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:18.535 also advised that SHS homes do not form 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.696 a coherent group capable of being 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.456 managed under a single statement of 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.375 significance and therefore are not 00:28:24.399 --> 00:28:27.255 suitable for heritage listing. 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:28.936 We also note the lack of meaningful 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.696 streetscape context and a more detailed 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.056 submission has been provided to 00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:34.456 councilors. The property does not meet 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.535 criterion A because it lacks historical 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.696 importance and distinctiveness. The 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.775 assessment relies on a broad association 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.255 with the SHS which publish and produce 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.216 over 158 standardized home designs 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.375 widely adopted across Melbourne. Yet 00:28:48.399 --> 00:28:50.775 only 25 of these designs have been 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.799 considered in the reviewiation 00:28:53.919 --> 00:28:56.056 with architect Robin Boyd is tenuous and 00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:58.216 indirect and despite Boyd's involvement 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.696 within the SHS program the house was not 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.696 his design nor was it an award-winning 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.216 project unlike others within the 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.375 program. The features mentioned in the 00:29:06.399 --> 00:29:08.375 review, such as roof form, chimneys, and 00:29:08.399 --> 00:29:09.895 weatherboard construction, represent 00:29:09.919 --> 00:29:12.056 typical and common post-war suburban 00:29:12.080 --> 00:29:14.296 development, and do not distinguish this 00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:16.135 property, nor suggest historical 00:29:16.159 --> 00:29:17.816 significance. 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:19.496 The property also does not meet 00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:21.416 criterion D, which is representative 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:22.856 significance because it has been 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.176 significantly altered due to substantial 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.015 replacements needed after its poor 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.015 condition of purchase. Now it is 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.895 critical to note that the that the ver 00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:34.775 which is the only direct reference in 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.799 the entire review is not even original 00:29:37.919 --> 00:29:40.216 and has undergone multiple reinventions 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.015 most recently around 2009. 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.176 The dwelling also is lacking the key 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:46.375 features in the original age 00:29:46.399 --> 00:29:48.535 publication. So taken together the 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:50.056 dwelling does not represent the 00:29:50.080 --> 00:29:52.456 integrity, intactness or distinctiveness 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.535 required to qualify as a representative 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.936 example. The property in its current 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.775 state does not contribute to a cohesive 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.936 or intact heritage streetscape with 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.616 immediate neighbors having built modern 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.096 dwellings within the last 15 years along 00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:06.456 with modern townhouse developments 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.480 opposite. So this leaves in an isolated 00:30:09.600 --> 00:30:11.976 and fragmented streetscape. So in 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.000 summary is not rare, not intact and not 00:30:15.679 --> 00:30:17.736 contextually significant. It does not 00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:20.216 meet criterion A, D, or any other 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.216 criterion for that matter. nor does it 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.816 contribute to a heritage precinct, 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:26.216 streetscape or group or serial listing. 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.775 So accordingly, we request that is 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.135 removed from the proposed heritage 00:30:30.159 --> 00:30:31.655 overlay listing. Thank you for your 00:30:31.679 --> 00:30:32.135 time. 00:30:32.159 --> 00:30:35.159 Thank you Daniel. 00:30:37.360 --> 00:30:39.976 Our ninth speaker tonight is David Wear 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.296 from Nawading. I invite David to the 00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:44.375 lecton. 00:30:44.399 --> 00:30:47.176 Good evening everyone. On Monday the 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.200 11th of May, I was surprised indeed I 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.696 was astonished to receive a letter from 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.416 strategic planner 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.440 advising that our house 00:30:59.679 --> 00:31:02.679 which I will call 270 from now on is 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.416 being considered for a heritage overlay. 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:07.255 I was surprised because we had no 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.856 inkling that our house was being 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.880 considered. I was astonished because 270 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.015 is so unexceptional that few would think 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.895 that it warrants heritage status. As 00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:20.456 owner along with my wife Tracy, I object 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.616 to our property being subject to a 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.936 heritage overlay on the following 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.960 grounds. One, 270s lack of aesthetic 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.015 appeal and its plain unexceptional 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.496 appearance. Two, the nature of 00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:36.135 Springfield Road with its many duplex 00:31:36.159 --> 00:31:38.296 developments which have significantly 00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:40.456 altered the cultural feel of Springfield 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.456 Road and None of Wading over recent 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.480 years. Three, personal needs. Age may 00:31:46.080 --> 00:31:48.135 require us to construct a front door 00:31:48.159 --> 00:31:51.015 ramp and wider entrance. Such a decision 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.336 should not be complicated by the demands 00:31:53.360 --> 00:31:56.360 of a heritage overlay. Four, funding for 00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.960 age care. 270 may have to be sold to pay 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.775 for our permanent care. A heritage 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.416 overlay is likely to reduce its appeal 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.440 and value, compromising our ability to 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.176 pay for the care that we will need. 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.976 Refurbishment necessary repairs may not 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.456 meet heritage requirements, and it is 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.936 completely unfair that we be expected to 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.495 take heroic and expensive measures in 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.519 order to do so. and six the extent of 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.495 overlay coverage to title boundaries 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.519 which is dis disconcertingly vague in 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.200 270 in 2014 270 was derelict we had 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.375 holes in the interior plaster and 00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:41.176 rotting weather boards everywhere the 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.200 add-on continually leaked in 2020 we 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.279 undertook an extensive redevelopment 00:32:48.399 --> 00:32:51.399 despite much advice to knock it down we 00:32:51.679 --> 00:32:54.056 retained integrated the old with the 00:32:54.080 --> 00:32:57.015 new. To be rewarded now with the 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.576 prospect of a heritage overlay is an 00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:02.600 irony that we are not enjoying. Tonight 00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:05.096 is clearly just the beginning or 00:33:05.120 --> 00:33:08.120 continuation of a long process. Whatever 00:33:08.399 --> 00:33:11.399 decision is made, councils will quickly 00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:14.775 move on to other matters. But whilst the 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.576 council will move on, we will not 00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.600 because for us this is personal and for 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.720 all the reasons outlined we ask that 270 00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:26.535 be removed from any further overlay 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.336 consideration and that we be advised in 00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:31.895 writing accordingly. A thank you for 00:33:31.919 --> 00:33:34.919 your time tonight. 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.255 Thank you David. 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.015 Our 10th speaker tonight is Helen 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.039 Harris, O AM, Boxill Historical Society. 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.720 I now invite Helen to the lecton. 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:54.535 Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.056 councilors. 00:33:56.080 --> 00:33:57.495 I've been sitting at the back listening 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.296 to the people presenting so far tonight, 00:34:00.320 --> 00:34:02.296 and it's become clear that they don't 00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:04.456 understand the motion that is actually 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.375 on the agenda. 00:34:06.399 --> 00:34:08.375 Some think that their property is not 00:34:08.399 --> 00:34:10.776 special, it has no heritage significance 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.615 or they won't be able to alter it in any 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.256 way and that this is their only chance 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.655 to have a say and they want councilors 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:19.496 to pull the property from the proposal 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:22.216 tonight. But the motion, if you look at 00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:24.936 it, is to formally move to start the 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.960 heritage amendment process by speaking 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.936 seeking approval from the minister. And 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:33.655 that approval includes notifying our 00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.679 owners how to have their say. And that's 00:34:36.879 --> 00:34:38.776 when the owners and others will have 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.335 ample time to present their case and 00:34:41.359 --> 00:34:43.655 argue for or against heritage 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.055 protection. They're not limited to 3 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.815 minutes tonight. They can take as long 00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:50.456 as they like during this process. 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.615 Inevitably, there will be differences of 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.095 opinion. They usually are. And an 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.656 officer report will come back to council 00:34:57.680 --> 00:34:59.575 recommending that those differences in 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.575 opinion will be referred to an 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.456 independent panel. The panel will hear 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.095 from all affected residents as well as 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.575 others interested in the property and 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.456 produce a report. That report will come 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.256 back to council for a final decision on 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.176 which properties should proceed to have 00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:19.815 an overlay placed on them. It's not 00:35:19.839 --> 00:35:22.216 uncommon for panels to advise against 00:35:22.240 --> 00:35:24.296 heritage protection for a property for 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.536 several reasons. That it may have been 00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:29.416 greatly altered, for example. But that's 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.440 when a council decision should be made, 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.456 not tonight when you don't have all the 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.296 evidence and an independent panel 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.320 report. Councilors, thousands and 00:35:39.520 --> 00:35:42.216 thousands of dollars of rateayer funds 00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:44.536 have been spent on obtaining heritage 00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:46.936 informations and the recommendations in 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.960 the report. They used a criteria so 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:51.896 eloquently read out by councelor 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.536 Davenport last month as he moved to have 00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:57.176 a council building investigated. 00:35:57.200 --> 00:35:58.856 Now, that building did not fulfill any 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.856 of the criteria required as councelor 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.256 Stennett pointed out, but still at least 00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.176 councelor Davenport, who has 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:07.416 consistently argued against heritage 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.440 protection for years now, now hopefully 00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:13.256 understands that heritage reports need 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.896 to be treated with respect. and that to 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.256 attempt to pull out some of the 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.055 properties now before all the evidence 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.079 has been received is not only not a good 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.575 look but is inadvertently inviting 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.055 counselors to circumvent a legal 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.079 process. Councilors, I urge you to vote 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.095 to to commence the proceeding tonight. 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.095 Thank you. 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.119 Thank Thank you, Helen. 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.335 Our 11th speaker tonight is Richard Lim 00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:46.055 from Bowwin North. I now invite Richard 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.079 to the lecton. 00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:57.095 Good evening Kristen Langford 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.119 Mayor um the deputy Mayor Kieran Simpson 00:37:00.720 --> 00:37:03.496 and respected councilors. We wish to 00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:05.416 formally oppose the application of the 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.976 heritage o overlay to Dr. Sha Lim. Sean 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.176 is not here today because of work 00:37:09.200 --> 00:37:12.200 commitments. He's our son. 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.496 While we appreciate the importance of 00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:20.055 preserving places of genuine heritage 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.079 significance within a mun municipality, 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:24.936 we do not believe the proposed heritage 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.575 overlay for this property is justified 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.335 based on the current condition of the 00:37:29.359 --> 00:37:31.016 dwelling. 00:37:31.040 --> 00:37:33.896 In a city of white horse heritage review 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.656 2024, 00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:37.335 the statement of significant mentions, 00:37:37.359 --> 00:37:40.359 bold rectalinear massing, recessed brick 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.496 plint sidewalls with panel expression 00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:46.296 and textured kite finish, full height 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.616 windows to the north, recessed entry 00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:50.856 porch and a remnant of the original 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.880 entry ramp. So I've I've attached 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.815 some some photographs in my document 00:37:57.839 --> 00:38:00.696 that I attached to the council. So I 00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:02.136 think you might have it on your on your 00:38:02.160 --> 00:38:05.160 table here. But on page two, 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.456 the bold rectilia massing recess brick 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.416 plinth. First of all, number one, the 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.176 recess brick pin is a double brick 00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:16.136 garage acting as a as a retaining wall 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:18.296 and the recess is only on one side of 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.936 the of the house and it seems a bit in 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.656 imbalanced. The windows and panels have 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:26.680 been changed from its original louvered 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.815 windows and fabric. The flooring inside 00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:31.496 the house is also slightly sagging due 00:38:31.520 --> 00:38:33.335 to the house being built on a mount on a 00:38:33.359 --> 00:38:36.359 on a elevated piece of land. Um 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.376 furthermore, a recessed plane on a slope 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.696 causes moisture management 00:38:40.720 --> 00:38:43.720 issues. So if you were to look at page f 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.696 page five, the double brick acting as 00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:48.536 a retaining wall has resulted in rising 00:38:48.560 --> 00:38:51.560 damp and spoiling of the inner walls of 00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:55.016 the garage. Um, and if you look at page 00:38:55.040 --> 00:38:56.296 five, you'll be able to see some 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.320 photographs of the sping over the years, 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.335 cracks on the ceiling due to sagging 00:39:01.359 --> 00:39:04.359 floor and moisture. 00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:06.696 Exhibit four, I mean on page five, 00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:09.095 further spalling and also some visible 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.119 cracks on the wall of the garage and 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.776 above the the garage there's an overhang 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.335 there is built um 00:39:17.359 --> 00:39:18.936 on the slope side. Yeah. On the slope 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.335 side, the side against the slope side 00:39:21.359 --> 00:39:23.335 and there are no trees and there's um 00:39:23.359 --> 00:39:25.016 there seems some drainage issues that's 00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:28.040 causing damp. Yeah. So, and the side 00:39:28.160 --> 00:39:30.536 walls with panel expression it also does 00:39:30.560 --> 00:39:32.376 is not in good condition including the 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.536 recessed entry porch and remnant. So, we 00:39:34.560 --> 00:39:37.560 would ask that 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.976 I request that you you carefully review 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.296 the factual basis and conclusions 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:43.976 contained within the heritage citation 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.376 and statement of significance for the 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.216 property. And I'm concerned that the 00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:50.616 assessment overstates the the importance 00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:52.296 of this. For this reason, I respect we 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.320 respectively request the council remove. 00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:57.736 Thank you. 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.055 Thank you. 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.079 Um Richard, 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.079 our 12th speaker tonight is Chang. 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.815 May I have a question just to pro proced 00:40:07.839 --> 00:40:09.815 your question. Are we not I understand 00:40:09.839 --> 00:40:12.296 that was the 10th speaker. Are we meant 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.536 to do a st um suspension of standing 00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:15.016 orders? 00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:16.856 Oh no, we've already done that. Um thank 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.880 you councelor cuts. 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:23.560 Our 12th speaker tonight is c is is 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.976 chang 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.000 nonawading. I invite Leo to the lecton. 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.376 Good evening everyone. Thank you for the 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.616 opportunity to speak tonight regarding 00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:39.640 the proposed heritage overlay. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.456 We are here as a family, not as 00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.335 developers, to voice our deep anxiety 00:40:47.359 --> 00:40:50.359 and formal objection to this inclusion. 00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:53.560 The proposal places an immense unforing 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.456 emotional and financial burden on our 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.696 household. We ask the council to 00:40:58.720 --> 00:41:00.616 reconsider. 00:41:00.640 --> 00:41:02.856 When we invested this property, we did 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.575 so with a clear vision for our family's 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.896 future. Guided by the state government's 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.376 designation of this area as an activity 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.776 center, we plan to utilize this 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.176 strategic zoning to adapt our property 00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:17.815 over time, securing our financial 00:41:17.839 --> 00:41:20.536 stability and creating a safe, modern 00:41:20.560 --> 00:41:23.016 space for our family to grow. The 00:41:23.040 --> 00:41:25.335 introduction of this heritage overlay 00:41:25.359 --> 00:41:28.136 shatters those plans. We are already 00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:31.095 carrying a massive mortgage and our home 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.119 is over 90 years old timber house facing 00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:37.575 severe structure issues. The foundation 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.136 poles are roten. The floors are 00:41:40.160 --> 00:41:43.160 significantly uneven and the roof tiles 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.656 shows noticeable severe weathering due 00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:48.680 to the age. The reality is maintaining a 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.216 home in this physical condition under 00:41:52.240 --> 00:41:55.016 strict heritage restrictions will cause 00:41:55.040 --> 00:41:58.040 repair costs to skyrocket completely out 00:41:58.319 --> 00:42:01.319 of our reach. We simply cannot afford 00:42:01.520 --> 00:42:04.520 this specialized upkeep. The financial 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.936 stress and sleepless nights this 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.496 uncertainty has brought to the family is 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:12.520 overwhelming. We feel entirely trapped. 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.936 Furthermore, the heritage justification 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:18.616 for this specific property is 00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:21.640 fundamentally flaw lack of integrity. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.055 Half of the current home consists in 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.055 substantial highly modern rear 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.936 extension. It's not. It's a completely 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.896 new build holds absolutely no cultural, 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.856 historical or artificial, architectural 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.016 significance whatsoever. 00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:39.815 Safety hazard. Our garage structure is 00:42:39.839 --> 00:42:42.295 fundamentally unsafe. structurally 00:42:42.319 --> 00:42:45.016 compromised entirely unfit for modern 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:47.496 vehicle parking. We live in constant 00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:49.896 worry its safety and forcing a heritage 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.616 protection onto a hazardous outbuilding 00:42:52.640 --> 00:42:55.335 defies common sense. Streetscape 00:42:55.359 --> 00:42:57.736 isolation. Notably, there is not a 00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.736 single other heritage overlay on Hazard 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.295 Roof, meaning our property would be 00:43:02.319 --> 00:43:04.856 completely isolated in otherwise 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.815 entirely modernized street. We are not 00:43:07.839 --> 00:43:10.456 against preserving genuine history, but 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.776 our home has been heavily modified. The 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.800 core function falling and it stands 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.536 along a modernized neighborhood. 00:43:18.560 --> 00:43:20.456 Therefore, we respectfully urge the 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.176 council to 00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:26.200 from the amendment. Thank you. 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.280 Thank you, Leo. 00:43:31.520 --> 00:43:33.656 Our 13th speaker tonight is Susan 00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:35.815 Bernett from Surrey Hills Historical 00:43:35.839 --> 00:43:38.376 Society. I now invite Susan to the 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.400 lecton. 00:43:51.520 --> 00:43:52.936 Good evening, Mayor. Good evening, 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.176 councilors. Good evening to everyone in 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:58.055 the gallery. 00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.736 Councilors, we've heard tonight 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.760 compelling stories from local residents 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.119 and I feel for them in many cases. 00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:09.095 However, councilors at all levels of 00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.119 government process is one of the vital 00:44:12.160 --> 00:44:15.160 bases for fair and effective governance. 00:44:16.160 --> 00:44:18.536 As councilors, you are well aware the 00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:21.335 protection of local heritage sites is a 00:44:21.359 --> 00:44:23.896 core responsibility for the council as a 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.920 planning statutory authority. 00:44:27.359 --> 00:44:30.359 As we all know, this obligation falls 00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:33.095 under the Planning and Environment Act 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.256 1987. 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.575 As Helen Harris 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.536 outlined previously, council has 00:44:40.560 --> 00:44:43.095 invested considerable funding to engage 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.656 an appropriate consultant as well as 00:44:45.680 --> 00:44:48.136 considerable officer time in preparing 00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:51.160 the 2024 heritage review and tonight 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.736 provides a further step towards 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.376 completing the process. As a 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:57.976 representative of Surrey Hills 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.000 historical society, I urge council to 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.016 adopt the recommendations of the 00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:05.335 heritage review and formally seek 00:45:05.359 --> 00:45:07.815 authorization from the planning minister 00:45:07.839 --> 00:45:10.839 to exhibit the amendment that's relevant 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:13.656 to the 42 individual properties and the 00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:16.680 pre three precincts. This is the first 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.599 statutory step and upon exhibition all 00:45:20.720 --> 00:45:23.256 affected property owners as Helen 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.416 outlined will be formally notified and 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.055 given the opportunity to speak at 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.936 length. We all understand that there are 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.016 a number of statutory steps that will 00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:36.040 follow. These will then allow council to 00:45:36.319 --> 00:45:39.319 carefully review submissions and decide 00:45:39.359 --> 00:45:41.496 further on the further course of the 00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:43.575 amendment which may include the panel 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.095 hearing. 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.256 We support the offic's report to 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.976 continue this process and allow for the 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.976 heritage merits of the recommended 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.000 properties or otherwise to be properly 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.055 considered. This wellestablished 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.456 practice is the only way forward for 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.480 council to be satisfied that it has met 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.760 its heritage obligations and ensure that 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:08.536 the white horse planning scheme 00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:11.335 continues to give appropriate protection 00:46:11.359 --> 00:46:13.736 to heritage sites. 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.760 It also gives the residents their proper 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.599 say. To stray from this process is full 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.760 hardy and would create a dangerous 00:46:25.200 --> 00:46:26.776 precedent. 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.496 Thank you for your attention and giving 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:32.376 me the ability to speak tonight and good 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.400 luck to the 00:46:36.720 --> 00:46:38.776 Thank you Susan. 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.656 Our 14th speaker tonight is Patricia 00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:44.680 Fischer from Forest Hill. I now invite 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:47.720 Patricia to the lecton. 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.880 My name is Patricia. My husband Bruce 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.480 and I are the original 1950s owner 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.295 builder. 00:47:02.319 --> 00:47:04.936 I'm standing before you tonight as the 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.736 longest standing res resident of our 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.760 street representing a deeply united 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.960 community. We are a commanding 78% 00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:18.200 absolute majority of neighbors standing 00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:20.536 shouldertosh shoulder to total 00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:23.560 opposition of citation P04. 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.736 We built our home nearly 70 years ago. 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.295 We raised our family there and we love 00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:33.256 our street. But a neighborhood is made 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280 up of living families, not museum 00:47:36.640 --> 00:47:39.640 pieces. To survive over decades, every 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.456 single one of my neighbors has had to 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.176 adapt. Many of my neighbors in Men and 00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:47.575 Road have built council approved modern 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.599 garages, completely changed drivesways, 00:47:51.200 --> 00:47:53.496 replaced failing roofs and altered 00:47:53.520 --> 00:47:56.295 facads just to keep their properties 00:47:56.319 --> 00:47:59.319 functional and safe. Whilst next door 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.376 and over the road demolished and built 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.400 new homes and number 29, we initially 00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:09.176 had to pay for the road to be made and 00:48:09.200 --> 00:48:12.200 suit the sewage to be connected. We 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.880 added a carport, altered our entrance 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.079 and built major re extensions. We went 00:48:20.240 --> 00:48:23.240 we also went to immense personal expens 00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:26.376 expense to completely strip and remove 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.400 the original asbestous roof and replace 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.376 it with modern roofing materials to 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.400 secure our family's future. I am 88 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.000 years old. My husband is 90. his pension 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.575 former police officer living with 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.599 dementia. I suffer from mobility issues. 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:47.815 This proposed overlay has brought 00:48:47.839 --> 00:48:50.839 immense unnecessary anxiety to us and to 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.136 our entire tight-knit group of 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:57.160 neighbors, many of whom are also single 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.936 pensioners, young families with 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.960 toddlers, and hardworking residents 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.616 under severe cost of living pressures. 00:49:04.640 --> 00:49:07.640 Our home is our financial safety net. If 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.480 my husband and I soon move into age 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:14.599 care, we fa face up to a 1.5 million 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.055 dollars of accommodation bonds. By 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.535 freezing our properties under a heritage 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.256 overlay, you artificially devalue our 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.815 life's work and trap this entire 00:49:27.839 --> 00:49:30.839 supportive community in expensive red 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.880 tape. Listen to the overwhelming voice 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.936 of the people who actually live here. Do 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.960 not pass a flawed report that penalizes 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.480 this beautiful community. We ask you to 00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:46.520 exclude our homes tonight. Thank you. 00:49:56.720 --> 00:49:59.720 Thank you, Patricia. 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.000 Our 15th speaker tonight is Nick Elmer 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.216 on behalf of Morin and Ken Elmore from 00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:09.240 Boxill North. 00:50:09.359 --> 00:50:11.896 I invite Nick to the lecton. 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.656 Thank you um for the opportunity to 00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:16.680 speak tonight. I'm here to read a letter 00:50:17.200 --> 00:50:20.200 from my parents who 00:50:20.319 --> 00:50:22.696 to whom it may concern. Draft City of 00:50:22.720 --> 00:50:25.720 White Horse Heritage Review 2024 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.055 objection to the inclusion of 26 Saxon 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:29.976 Street Boxill North in the heritage 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.456 listing. We understand that the c the 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.216 White Horse Council is considering 00:50:34.240 --> 00:50:36.136 seeking ministerial approval for a 00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:38.616 planning scheme amendment arising from 00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:41.176 its heritage review and that our our 00:50:41.200 --> 00:50:42.776 property has been recommended for 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.936 inclusion in a proposed heritage 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.256 overlay. We are requesting that our son 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.815 Nicholas Elmer be permitted to speak to 00:50:49.839 --> 00:50:52.136 council about this matter at the council 00:50:52.160 --> 00:50:54.216 meeting on the 1st of June on our behalf 00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.856 as due to health issues we are unable to 00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.496 attend in person. We do not want our 00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:01.335 home to be included in the proposed 00:51:01.359 --> 00:51:03.256 heritage overlay and have serious 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.575 concerns with the lack of consultation 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.599 by council with us in the leadup to this 00:51:09.040 --> 00:51:10.535 process. 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.095 One, we were advised by council that our 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:14.776 house was being included in a heritage 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.176 overlay by letter on the 5th of May. 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:19.575 Given our current health circumstances, 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.456 the notification has caused significant 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.055 anxiety. 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:25.815 We've lived in the home for over 60 00:51:25.839 --> 00:51:28.839 years and are both now in our late 80s 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.416 and the prospect of a heritage overlay 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.440 suddenly being applied to it has caused 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.559 us considerable distress. While heritage 00:51:38.640 --> 00:51:40.535 protection may be appropriate in some 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.176 circumstances, the practical effect in 00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:46.200 this case would be to impose substantial 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:48.776 additional cost delays and 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.856 administrative requirements on elderly 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.095 residents with limited financial 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.016 resources. 00:51:55.040 --> 00:51:57.176 The need for the likely need for 00:51:57.200 --> 00:51:58.696 planning permits, heritage assessment, 00:51:58.720 --> 00:52:00.216 and specialist consultants would 00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:03.095 significantly increase the cost and the 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.335 complexity of undertaking even 00:52:05.359 --> 00:52:07.176 relatively modest works on our home. 00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:08.856 We've lived in our home for over 60 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.880 years, are both now in our late 80s. Due 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.016 to age related health issues, we wish to 00:52:15.040 --> 00:52:16.535 remain in our home for as long as 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.616 possible and may require repairs, 00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:20.856 maintenance, works and modifications to 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.016 be carried out in our home to enable us 00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:26.040 to do so safely and comfortably. 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.016 The real pro possibility that the 00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:30.856 additional costs and restrictions 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.696 associated with the heritage overlay 00:52:32.720 --> 00:52:34.856 would ultimately force us to leave the 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.696 home in which we have lived for over six 00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:39.720 decades is a serious cons concern. 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.776 This would be a devastating outcome for 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.216 two elderly residents who have 00:52:44.240 --> 00:52:45.815 contributed to the local community for 00:52:45.839 --> 00:52:47.736 many years and simply wish to remain in 00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.256 their home and maintain it 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.656 appropriately. We dispute aspects of the 00:52:51.680 --> 00:52:53.496 heritage citation prepared by the White 00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:55.815 Horse City consultant upon which the 00:52:55.839 --> 00:52:58.136 council has relied in order to impose 00:52:58.160 --> 00:53:00.295 impose the heritage listing of our 00:53:00.319 --> 00:53:03.256 house, its construction method, 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.016 materials of the walls, the condition of 00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:07.095 the foundations and in particular the 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.656 roof cladding which is of specific focus 00:53:09.680 --> 00:53:12.295 in the heritage report. We have engaged 00:53:12.319 --> 00:53:13.095 at independent. 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.016 Thank you Nick. Your three minutes is 00:53:15.040 --> 00:53:15.736 up. 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.976 Thank you. 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.000 Our 00:53:22.640 --> 00:53:25.176 16th speaker tonight is Tony Lee 00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:27.736 Abbottzford. I now invite Tony to the 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.760 lecton. 00:53:32.319 --> 00:53:35.016 Thank you councilors. I'm speaking in 00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:38.040 support of item 10.1 and in particular 00:53:38.640 --> 00:53:40.616 the collective listing of small home 00:53:40.640 --> 00:53:43.416 service houses. Um speak a little bit 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.016 about the small home service and I think 00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:47.976 it's well misunderstood. It was not 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.216 about glamorous houses, but it was about 00:53:50.240 --> 00:53:53.240 a housing process to provide affordable 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.599 houses in on mass. 00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.936 Home ownership is synonymous with being 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.016 an Australian. This is what we know as 00:54:01.040 --> 00:54:03.496 the great Australian dream. Home 00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:05.815 ownership rates increased dramatically 00:54:05.839 --> 00:54:07.976 after World War II, peaking in the 70s 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.000 and 80s at over 70%. 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.376 This didn't happen by accident. The 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.055 small home service is one of the 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.055 significant factors facilitating this 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.456 rise in home ownership. As well as 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.856 providing easy access to plans, it was 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.335 the catalyst for project home builders 00:54:25.359 --> 00:54:28.359 that today provide most new homes. Think 00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:31.815 AV Jennings. 00:54:31.839 --> 00:54:33.976 Similar today, the post-war period 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.456 struggled with a shortage of houses, 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.095 scarce building materials and labor, 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.119 rising interest rates. Like today, there 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.480 was an acknowledged housing crisis. The 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.920 small home service provided plans of 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.440 well-designed, affordable houses that 00:54:52.640 --> 00:54:54.616 people could build themselves or 00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:57.640 contract builders to build. In effect, 00:54:57.839 --> 00:55:00.839 it was to address a housing crisis. 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.095 The designs of these houses were 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:06.055 prepared by Robin Boyd and 50 other 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:07.656 architects. 00:55:07.680 --> 00:55:10.216 The plans were published weekly in the 00:55:10.240 --> 00:55:13.240 age and could be bought for £5 and 00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:16.136 people could then contract or build 00:55:16.160 --> 00:55:18.376 themselves. Many of these houses were 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.936 built by owner builders. 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.416 The city of White Horse particularly 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.440 Mitchum Nawading Vermont Blackburn 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:29.880 formed the small home service epicenter. 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.095 There was another one down south. 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.055 What's amazing here is that you have in 00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.216 your municipality the largest 00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:40.295 concentration of these houses in 00:55:40.319 --> 00:55:41.896 existence. 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.456 In the early 1950s, 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.480 10% of building permits 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.295 use or applications use small home 00:55:50.319 --> 00:55:53.256 service plans. Because the plans were 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.896 published in the age, nearly as many 00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.920 again copied those published plans. So 00:56:01.040 --> 00:56:03.736 it couldn't be argued that nearly 20% of 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.760 pearling permit applications used 00:56:07.359 --> 00:56:09.496 um small home service plans. The small 00:56:09.520 --> 00:56:11.256 home service was of international 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.575 significance. Many other countries tried 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.095 similar schemes but they weren't 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.736 successful. Most of these houses have 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.176 been demolished. So there's not many 00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:21.256 examples left. You have the best ones 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.176 around. 00:56:23.200 --> 00:56:26.136 So I urge you to protect what is part of 00:56:26.160 --> 00:56:28.616 our cultural and architectural history. 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:30.936 To finish registration of the house does 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:32.456 not preclude changes and future 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:33.016 extension. 00:56:33.040 --> 00:56:34.535 Thank you Tony. Your three minutes is 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.216 up. 00:56:36.240 --> 00:56:39.240 Our 17th speaker tonight is Leon Leing 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.000 from Boxill North. I now invite Leing to 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.920 the lect. 00:56:48.319 --> 00:56:49.976 Thank you may counselors. Good evening. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.575 My name is Lee Ing and I'm here today to 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.416 address a letter we received at the 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.095 beginning of May relating to gender 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.896 10.1. We were invited to speak and I 00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.335 couldn't afford to wait for the whole 00:56:59.359 --> 00:57:00.936 process to conclude. So, here I am 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.335 today. In October 24, my husband and I 00:57:03.359 --> 00:57:06.359 bought we didn't buy it as developers or 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.136 investors. We bought a rundown 00:57:08.160 --> 00:57:09.815 two-bedroom weatherboard house to knock 00:57:09.839 --> 00:57:11.896 down and build a modest story 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:13.736 singlestory forever home for our three 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.216 young boys. At the time of purchase, no 00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:17.896 heritage overlay or draft review was 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.976 flagged on this property. Relying on 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.656 that clear title, we have spent about 00:57:21.680 --> 00:57:24.680 $80,000 on builders deposits and permits 00:57:24.799 --> 00:57:27.736 processes. We are now in financial limbo 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:29.815 because of a retrospective heritage 00:57:29.839 --> 00:57:32.055 proposal. I do not agree that my 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:33.416 property along with the others 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:35.095 identified in the review should be 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:36.936 heritage listed simply because they were 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.775 designed as part of the small home 00:57:38.799 --> 00:57:41.176 services program. I refer to an article 00:57:41.200 --> 00:57:43.176 published in the age during the post-war 00:57:43.200 --> 00:57:45.976 era. The small home services home 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.656 service led by Robin Boyd released 00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:49.575 hundreds of house designs submitted by 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.976 architects so that as the article stated 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.896 with hard work and some luck a private 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.976 person with or without employing a 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.376 builder can build a house. These homes 00:57:58.400 --> 00:57:59.976 were intentionally modest and 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.976 affordable. Most were between 10 and 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:03.896 square 12 squares in size and never more 00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.136 than 14 to 15 squares because larger 00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:07.976 homes should have been handled by an 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.136 architect personally. The article also 00:58:10.160 --> 00:58:12.055 noted that exterior walls were not very 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:14.216 important. If painted weatherboard is 00:58:14.240 --> 00:58:17.095 too expensive, esbestos cement can be 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.335 substituted. 00:58:19.359 --> 00:58:21.016 This demonstrates that the program was 00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:23.095 designed to provide practical economical 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.896 solution to a postwar housing shortage, 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.896 not architecturally significant homes 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.616 intended for preservation decades later. 00:58:30.640 --> 00:58:32.136 The small size and construction material 00:58:32.160 --> 00:58:34.055 of these houses make them costly and 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.055 difficult to maintain, upgrade and adapt 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:37.815 to modern sevenstar energy efficiency 00:58:37.839 --> 00:58:40.535 rating required in Victoria. Robin Boyd 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.055 himself recognized the limitations of 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.616 this housing model. In 1971, reflecting 00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:46.456 on Australia's urban development, he 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.136 wrote that Australians clings to its 00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:50.055 depressing little boxes because it knows 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.936 no better, has seen no better design. At 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:54.696 a time when Melbourne is facing a 00:58:54.720 --> 00:58:57.095 housing affordability and supply crisis, 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.696 I do not believe Boyd would support 00:58:58.720 --> 00:59:01.016 preserving these small lowquality 00:59:01.040 --> 00:59:02.616 postwar homes at the expense of allowing 00:59:02.640 --> 00:59:04.295 families to build homes that meet 00:59:04.319 --> 00:59:06.936 contemporary needs. We are facing rising 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.416 construction costs, soaring fuel prices, 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:10.696 cost of living pressures, and high 00:59:10.720 --> 00:59:13.416 interest rates. Every delay increases my 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.575 financial risk. We are in limbo here not 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.496 knowing where we stand. Furthermore, 00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:19.095 keeping such properties serves no 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.656 benefit to immediate or wider community. 00:59:21.680 --> 00:59:23.496 These types of houses are no longer fit 00:59:23.520 --> 00:59:25.896 for purposes. We ask the council to 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.920 apply logic and empathy. 00:59:29.359 --> 00:59:31.575 White Horse Heritage Review so a local 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.736 family can build a safe, sustainable 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.760 home. Thank you. 00:59:40.319 --> 00:59:43.319 Thank you. Thank you, Leing. Thank you. 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.736 Our 18th speaker tonight is Damon Nash 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.760 from Voxill. I now invite Damon to the 00:59:50.799 --> 00:59:53.799 lecton. 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.480 Mayor councilors, my name is Damon Nash. 01:00:02.319 --> 01:00:04.216 I'm speaking tonight as the owner of one 01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:05.656 of the properties identified in the 01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:07.976 heritage review. But this probably makes 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.976 me slightly unusual because while some 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.736 people may assume owners would oppose 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.736 heritage protection, I actually support 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.535 the process before council tonight. My 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:18.376 house together with its twin at 68 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.936 Rutland Road was built during the 1880s 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:22.936 land boom on what was then known as the 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.256 Burley Park estate. According to a 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.256 heritage review, it's the only surviving 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:28.936 example in Boxill of its particular 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.016 type. A semi- detached pair of 01:00:31.040 --> 01:00:33.815 single-fronted Victorian dwellings. That 01:00:33.839 --> 01:00:35.736 rarity is not my opinion. It's the 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.815 conclusion of the independent heritage 01:00:37.839 --> 01:00:39.815 consultants engaged by council to 01:00:39.839 --> 01:00:42.295 undertake this review. 01:00:42.319 --> 01:00:44.136 I bought the property knowing it was 01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:46.696 old. I bought the property because it 01:00:46.720 --> 01:00:49.496 was old. In a suburb changing as rapidly 01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:51.656 as Boxill, I think it's important that 01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:53.736 some tangible links to our past survive 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.456 alongside new development. We're only 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.616 temporary custo custodians of these 01:00:58.640 --> 01:01:00.616 places. An important building should 01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:02.456 still be standing long after any of us 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.936 are gone. I want to emphasize something 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:06.295 that often gets lost in these 01:01:06.319 --> 01:01:09.256 discussions. A heritage overlay is not 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.575 confis confiscation. It does not 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.055 transfer ownership. It doesn't prevent 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.575 people living in, maintaining, or 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.136 improving their homes. What it does do 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:20.295 is ensure the places identified as 01:01:20.319 --> 01:01:22.535 significant are properly considered 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.295 before they're altered or demolished, 01:01:24.319 --> 01:01:27.016 which seems entirely reasonable. 01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:28.936 I also support completing the wider 01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.256 heritage review process. One of the 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:33.416 concerns raised raised tonight is, you 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:34.936 know, the owners feel surprised to 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:36.216 discover their properties have been 01:01:36.240 --> 01:01:38.456 identified as potentially significant. 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.856 And I understand that concern. But 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:42.616 surely the solution is not to abandon 01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:44.616 the process. The solution is to complete 01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:47.640 it. Um to investigate the remaining 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.920 places properly, to notify owners, to 01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.256 allow consultation, and then make 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.736 decisions based on evidence. Completing 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:57.335 this process will also give future 01:01:57.359 --> 01:01:59.416 buyers certainty about what they're 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.256 purchasing rather than leave these 01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.280 questions unresolved in indefinitely. Um 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.376 because nobody no uncertainty helps 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.400 nobody. Not homeowners, not council, not 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.055 the community. The heritage review 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:13.976 exists because White Horse recognized 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.736 that growth and heritage are not 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.376 mutually exclusive. We can accommodate 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.216 new housing while also retaining the 01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:22.216 places that make our m municipality 01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:25.240 distinctive. Once a significant place is 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.280 demolished, it's gone forever. 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.055 If, however, we follow a careful, 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.456 transparent process, we at least give 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.376 future generations the chance to decide 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.535 what's worth keeping. And as an 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:38.376 effective property owner, I support that 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.775 approach and I encourage council to do 01:02:40.799 --> 01:02:43.799 the same. Thank you. 01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:47.240 Thank you, Damon. 01:02:47.680 --> 01:02:49.976 Our 19th speaker tonight is Sarah Ross 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.456 from East Berwood. I now invite Sarah to 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.480 the lectern. 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.575 Um, my name is Sarah Ross and I'm 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.599 speaking behalf of my 85year-old mother 01:03:11.200 --> 01:03:14.055 um, who's widowed Elizabeth Ross who's 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:16.535 owned 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.775 since 1967. 01:03:18.799 --> 01:03:20.616 She's unfortunately too unwell to 01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:23.640 attend. We respectively request that 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:25.335 council remove the property from the 01:03:25.359 --> 01:03:27.815 draft heritage review and discontinued 01:03:27.839 --> 01:03:30.839 the proposed heritage overlay. Um, our 01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:33.256 objection is not based on a disagreement 01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.015 with Robin Boyd's important as an 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.176 architect. Rather, it's based on the 01:03:37.200 --> 01:03:38.775 extent to which the building has been 01:03:38.799 --> 01:03:41.335 altered, reconstructed, and stripped of 01:03:41.359 --> 01:03:43.736 its original fabric over the past 75 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.055 years. Before addressing the heritage 01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:47.815 merits, I wish to highlight the concerns 01:03:47.839 --> 01:03:49.815 with the assessment process. The 01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:51.736 heritage assessment appears to have been 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:53.335 undertaken more than two years before 01:03:53.359 --> 01:03:55.656 the draft heritage review was released. 01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:57.416 And given the age of the assessment and 01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.416 the continuing deterioration of the 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.295 original building elements, it's unclear 01:04:02.319 --> 01:04:04.535 whether the citation accurately reflects 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.696 the current condition of the property. 01:04:06.720 --> 01:04:08.616 In addition, council's letter was dated 01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:10.456 5th of May, but was not received until 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:12.535 the 20th of May, leaving very limited 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.936 time to review the material and obtain 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.815 independent heritage advice. Turning to 01:04:17.839 --> 01:04:20.839 the property itself, the original 1949 01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:23.335 dwelling was a very modest structure. It 01:04:23.359 --> 01:04:25.416 consisted of a simple rectangular 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.656 building clad in cement sheeting 01:04:27.680 --> 01:04:29.976 containing a combined studio and living 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.616 area, a small bathroom, a fireplace, and 01:04:32.640 --> 01:04:35.176 no kitchen. Following the death of Susan 01:04:35.200 --> 01:04:37.575 Boyd in 1961, the property was sold 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.736 outside the Boyd family and underwent a 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.216 major alteration. A substantial front 01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:43.896 wing was added, transforming the 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.896 original building into an H-shaped 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.055 arrangement around a rear and front 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.856 courtyard. Importantly, the heritage 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.095 citation identifies that this addition 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.416 is nonsignificant, but does not 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.256 adequately consider the impact that 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.575 these works had on the integrity and 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.456 legibility of the original dwelling. The 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:04.216 further alterations were undertaken 01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:05.976 after my parents purchased the property 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:07.896 in 1967. 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.736 Original joinery, cupboards, and the 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.456 artist sink was removed. Sections of the 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.136 original cladding were replaced. The 01:05:14.160 --> 01:05:16.376 internal layout was reconfigured and 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.456 further additions altered the footprint 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.256 again. Most significantly, the original 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.176 Boyd section of the dwelling suffered 01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:26.200 extensive fire damage in the late 1990s. 01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:28.696 The house was uninhibitable for more 01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:31.335 than 12 months. Significant portions of 01:05:31.359 --> 01:05:34.136 the roof structure original fabric um 01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:37.015 were destroyed and subsequently rebuilt. 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:40.039 Um this major event seems to be absent 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.079 from the heritage citation. Um in our 01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:44.775 view the central issue is not whether 01:05:44.799 --> 01:05:46.616 Robin Boyd designed the building. The 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:48.616 issue is whether enough original fabric 01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:50.295 remains to demonstrate the heritage 01:05:50.319 --> 01:05:53.319 values relied upon um under criteria 01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:55.976 B&H. 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.535 Given the extensive renovations, we 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.136 submit that the dwelling no longer 01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:02.216 retains sufficient integrity or 01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:03.896 authenticity 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.920 to justify heritage protection. 01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:14.359 Thank you, Sarah. 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.176 Our final speaker tonight is Megan 01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.496 Hughes from Forest Hill. I invite Megan 01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:21.496 to the lecton. 01:06:21.520 --> 01:06:23.416 good evening, Mayor and counselors. 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:25.976 I'll keep it brief. Um, I stand before 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.775 you as the owner of 01:06:28.799 --> 01:06:30.616 a property included within the pros 01:06:30.640 --> 01:06:33.640 citation PO4 heritage overlay. While all 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.055 11 property owners objecting to this 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:37.736 overlay share a number of common 01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:39.736 concerns, I'm speaking tonight to 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.575 outline the specific impacts that the 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.055 pro proposed heritage overlay would have 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:47.079 on our property, which my partner and I 01:06:47.359 --> 01:06:49.976 purchased in 2014. 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.896 We purchased this home because it was 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.136 affordable and it was located within a 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:56.696 picturesque, safe, and wellestablished 01:06:56.720 --> 01:06:58.616 neighborhood. At the time of the 01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:00.055 purchase, we were aware that the 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:01.736 property was subject to a landscape 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:03.896 overlay. 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:05.575 Although this imposed certain 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.496 restrictions, we accepted them and 01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:09.335 appreciated the role that the overlay 01:07:09.359 --> 01:07:11.656 plays in protecting and enhancing the 01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:14.680 character of the area. Our home is a 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.416 modest two-bedroom cottage that was 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.176 purchased with known structural and 01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:21.976 maintenance issues. Unfortunately, our 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.456 financial circumstances have prevented 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.696 us from undertaking the significant 01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:29.176 repairs, renovations, and extensions 01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:31.496 that the property requires. Our 01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:33.575 intention has always been to improve and 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.736 extend the home when financially able to 01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.736 do so. 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.896 The introduction of the heritage overlay 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.055 in addition to the existing landscape 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.079 overlay would significantly restrict our 01:07:45.359 --> 01:07:48.359 future options. The cumulative effect of 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:50.055 these controls would make it 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.055 substantially more difficult and costly 01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.216 to renovate, extend, or adapt the 01:07:54.240 --> 01:07:56.936 property to meet our family's needs. 01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:58.456 This has the potential to cause 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.936 considerable financial hardship and may 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.616 ultimately leave us with no option but 01:08:02.640 --> 01:08:05.496 to sell our home and relocate. 01:08:05.520 --> 01:08:07.015 I would also like to note that our 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:08.856 property does not appear to possess the 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:10.616 level of heritage significance that 01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:12.216 would justify these additional 01:08:12.240 --> 01:08:14.376 restrictions. The house is not 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.295 architecturally designed and according 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.135 to council documentation, its 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:19.576 construction date has not been 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:21.096 confirmed. 01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:22.775 Furthermore, the dwelling is no longer 01:08:22.799 --> 01:08:25.735 in its original condition. Over time, 01:08:25.759 --> 01:08:27.976 modern alterations have been made, 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.896 including the construction of a double 01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:31.896 garage in the front yard, which is 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:33.976 clearly visible from the street and has 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:35.815 already altered the property's original 01:08:35.839 --> 01:08:38.839 appearance and heritage integrity. 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:40.856 Given these factors, we do not believe 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.936 that the proposed overlay is warranted 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:44.856 for our property. We respect 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.616 respectfully request that council 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.416 reconsider the inclusion 01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:51.976 within citation PO4 and remove the 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.815 property from the proposed heritage 01:08:53.839 --> 01:08:56.775 overlay. Thank you for your time. 01:08:56.799 --> 01:08:59.799 Thank you, Megan. 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.416 Mayor, 01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:03.655 councilors, I now seek a move to resume 01:09:03.679 --> 01:09:04.456 standing orders. 01:09:04.480 --> 01:09:05.976 , may I'd like to move to resume 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:06.695 standing orders. 01:09:06.719 --> 01:09:08.616 Thank you, councelor Simpson. I now seek 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:09.655 seconder. 01:09:09.679 --> 01:09:10.536 Second, Mayor. 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.536 Thank you, councelor Weller. All those 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.215 in favor? 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.016 Pass unanimously. 01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:19.496 Item seven, public question time. We 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:21.896 have eight public questions this evening 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:24.775 from five submitters. The first five 01:09:24.799 --> 01:09:26.536 questions will be read out and responded 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.775 to by Jeff Green, director of city 01:09:28.799 --> 01:09:30.775 development. Jeff, can you please come 01:09:30.799 --> 01:09:33.799 to the lecton to address the questions? 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.936 Thank you, Mayor. First question is from 01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.416 Richard Woodall from Mitchum Baptist 01:09:41.440 --> 01:09:43.815 Church. Question. How has council 01:09:43.839 --> 01:09:45.815 demonstrated that the proposed overlay 01:09:45.839 --> 01:09:48.775 on 8 to 12 similar street Mitchum 01:09:48.799 --> 01:09:50.775 Mitchum Baptist Church delivers a net 01:09:50.799 --> 01:09:52.936 community benefit and what measurable 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.496 indicators we use to balance heritage 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.496 preservation against conra constraints 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.520 on land use adaptive reuse and ongoing 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.640 delivery of community services. 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.576 Through your Mayor, council demonstrated 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.576 net community benefit by following the 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.336 state government's heritage assessment 01:10:09.360 --> 01:10:11.496 guidelines, which requires both a 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.976 rigorous test of local significance and 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.576 a strategic planning assessment that 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.135 balances heritage outcomes with broader 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.016 land use objectives. In this case that 01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:23.496 the proposed overlay is justified where 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:25.576 the place meets recognized heritage 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.215 criteria supported by comparative 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.776 analysis intactness and integrity 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.416 testing and formalized in a statement of 01:10:33.440 --> 01:10:35.816 significance identifying what should be 01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:37.655 conserved. 01:10:37.679 --> 01:10:39.416 The balance against constraints will be 01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:40.936 tested further through the formal 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:42.695 planning scheme amendment process which 01:10:42.719 --> 01:10:45.655 has not yet commenced. This process will 01:10:45.679 --> 01:10:47.496 allow allow the exhibition and 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.215 independent panel consideration. The 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.135 formal planning scheme amendment process 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.695 evaluates why the amendment is required. 01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:56.776 Its strategic justification including 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:58.776 implementation of the objectives of 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.416 planning in Victoria, confirms that the 01:11:01.440 --> 01:11:04.376 overlay complements policy and delivers 01:11:04.400 --> 01:11:06.456 an overall net community benefit for 01:11:06.480 --> 01:11:09.480 current and future generations. 01:11:11.280 --> 01:11:14.280 The next two questions are from Mike 01:11:14.320 --> 01:11:17.256 Ford from the Mitchum Baptist Church. 01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:19.576 Question one, can council provide the 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.215 objective criteria, scoring methodology, 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.776 and threshold benchmarks used to 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.776 determine local heritage significance 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.800 under criteria D and E and specify how 01:11:30.400 --> 01:11:33.016 Mum Mitchum Baptist Church at 8 to 12 01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:35.655 Similar Street Mitchum quantitatively 01:11:35.679 --> 01:11:38.296 meets or exceeds those thresholds 01:11:38.320 --> 01:11:40.376 compared to other post-war industrial 01:11:40.400 --> 01:11:43.400 sites assessed in the heritage review. 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.536 Question two, has council undertaken a 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.936 quantifiable economic and community 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.336 impact assessment of applying a heritage 01:11:51.360 --> 01:11:53.736 overlay to an active community use 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.056 property at 8 to 12 Similar Street 01:11:56.080 --> 01:11:58.296 Mitchum which is the Mitchum Baptist 01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:01.320 Church including projected costs and 01:12:01.360 --> 01:12:03.496 downstream impacts on community service 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.896 provision and with consideration to the 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.536 building's current condition 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:09.976 through your Mayor. In response to both 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.896 questions, post-war industrial 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.376 development is a significant theme of 01:12:14.400 --> 01:12:15.896 the city of White Horse's cultural 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:17.976 history. However, however, there are 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.655 currently no postw World War II 01:12:19.679 --> 01:12:21.816 factories with heritage protection in 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.840 White Horse. The 2020 review 2024 review 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.096 includes three factory buildings 01:12:27.120 --> 01:12:28.695 recommended for inclusion in the 01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:31.256 heritage overlay. This building is 01:12:31.280 --> 01:12:33.096 significant for its representation of a 01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:35.736 steel framed production building with a 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.760 concealed sawtooth roof and flat roofed 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.416 office building. It significant elements 01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:43.336 also include the block lie expression of 01:12:43.360 --> 01:12:45.976 the buildings face brick work and bays 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.000 of aluminium framed curtain walling and 01:12:49.040 --> 01:12:51.496 the window bays of the office block. 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:53.576 This building has been selected above 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:55.096 other properties which were considered 01:12:55.120 --> 01:12:57.576 to be less representative of this 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.456 element of our history. As the questions 01:13:00.480 --> 01:13:02.695 posed require a detailed response, a 01:13:02.719 --> 01:13:03.976 further written response will be 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:07.000 provided after this meeting. 01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:10.695 The next questions are from there's two 01:13:10.719 --> 01:13:13.336 questions from David Wear from Nawading. 01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:15.336 Question one. White city council 01:13:15.360 --> 01:13:17.496 publicly states that it is committed to 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:19.736 good governance which is supported by 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:21.816 the core values of collaboration, 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.695 respect, excellence, accountability, and 01:13:24.719 --> 01:13:27.719 trust. Can council explain how accepting 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.695 the key findings of the June 2024 draft 01:13:30.719 --> 01:13:33.256 heritage report will help foster the 01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:35.175 values to which they are committed, 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.175 particularly when the rate payers who 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.576 will be most impacted were only advised 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.736 of a prospective heritage overlay on 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.760 their properties 3 weeks ago. Through 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:46.936 your Mayor, council's role tonight is to 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.096 not make a final decision on permanent 01:13:49.120 --> 01:13:51.576 heritage controls, but to decide whether 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.576 to commence the statutory amendment 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.376 process. That process was deliberately 01:13:56.400 --> 01:13:58.376 deferred in March until owners have been 01:13:58.400 --> 01:14:00.456 notified, which occurred by letter on 01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:03.480 the 6th of May. If council proceeds, 01:14:03.679 --> 01:14:05.576 affected owners and occupiers will have 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.416 a formal opportunity to review the 01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:10.376 material, make submissions, and be heard 01:14:10.400 --> 01:14:12.616 through the public exhibition and if 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.256 required, a panel process. Council 01:14:15.280 --> 01:14:16.936 considers that this approach supports 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.496 transparency, accountability, and 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:21.576 respect by relying on an expert evidence 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.976 base, notifying affected properties 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.616 before a decision, and providing further 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:27.976 opportunities for community 01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.856 participation before any final outcome 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.616 is reached. 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.175 Question two. Tonight's council meeting 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:37.016 agenda states the preparation of the 01:14:37.040 --> 01:14:39.576 heritage review 2024 comprised two 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.600 stages with stage two involving detailed 01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:45.896 site inspections. The term detail 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.376 detailed site inspections strongly 01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:50.215 raises the possibility of council 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.536 officers coming onto private land 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.056 without the owner's knowledge or 01:14:54.080 --> 01:14:56.536 consent. Therefore, in the interest of 01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.560 public transparency and reassurance, can 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.056 council clearly outline which specific 01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:04.856 steps and actions have been taken as 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.880 part of these detailed site inspections 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:10.215 through your Mayor? The term detailed 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:11.976 site inspections refers to heritage 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.215 assessment work undertaken from the 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.239 street and other public vantage points. 01:15:17.280 --> 01:15:19.256 The methodology in the draft city of 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:22.280 White Horse heritage review 2024 states 01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:24.856 that shortlisted places were visited and 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.776 photographed from the street or other 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.336 public vantage points. Field notes were 01:15:29.360 --> 01:15:31.655 taken and importantly private property 01:15:31.679 --> 01:15:34.456 was not encroached upon. The broader 01:15:34.480 --> 01:15:36.616 assessment process also included desktop 01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.175 review, virtual inspection using sources 01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.896 such as historic aerial photography, 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.856 archival research, comparative analysis, 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.880 and preparation of heritage citations. 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:51.496 The next question, Mayor, is from 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:53.336 Kathleen Cummings from the Whitehorse 01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:56.360 Rate Payers and Residents Association in 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.655 relation to Northeast Link. How much of 01:15:59.679 --> 01:16:01.736 Aram Park was included in the original 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.376 planned scope of works? How much more of 01:16:04.400 --> 01:16:07.256 Aaron Park has been taken by the state 01:16:07.280 --> 01:16:09.336 government northeast link authority? And 01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:12.056 what is the justification for this? How 01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:14.456 many trees are to be removed? How many 01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:16.456 of these trees being removed were 01:16:16.480 --> 01:16:18.856 planted as compensation for the Sar 01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:21.416 Hills Montal level crossing removal 01:16:21.440 --> 01:16:24.135 project through your Mayor? It is 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:26.296 estimated that around 60% of Aron Park 01:16:26.320 --> 01:16:27.976 has been allocated for the Northeast 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.000 Link construction compound area and the 01:16:31.040 --> 01:16:33.896 area accommodating the freeway widening 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.056 on the north side of the freeway. 01:16:36.080 --> 01:16:37.496 Northeast Link have not released the 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:39.816 exact number of trees to be removed as 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:41.576 part of the Northeast Link project 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:44.056 activities. It is estimated that by 01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:47.080 council that approximately 3,500 01:16:47.120 --> 01:16:49.896 trees will be removed in White Horse. 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:51.896 None of the trees being removed were 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.896 planted as compensation for the level 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:55.976 crossing removal project. Thank you, 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.000 Mayor. 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.199 Thank you, Jeff. 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:04.456 The final two questions will be read out 01:17:04.480 --> 01:17:07.480 by Lisa Leic, director, community life. 01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:11.480 Could Lisa please come to the lecton? 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.096 through you may. These questions are 01:17:17.120 --> 01:17:19.496 from Carolyn Hall, Box Hill North. 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:21.736 Question one, given that the Boxhill 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:23.336 community shed already operates on 01:17:23.360 --> 01:17:25.496 council land, appears to have adjacent 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.736 space that could accommodate expansion 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:29.576 and is the municipality's only community 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.496 shed open to all adults regardless of 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.296 age, gender, disability, NDIS status, or 01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:36.776 age care funding? Has council assessed 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:38.776 the feasibility and indicative cost of 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:40.616 expanding the existing facility before 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.776 proposing $60,000 for broader 01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.800 investigations? And if not, why not? If 01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:48.296 expansion is found to be feasible, will 01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:50.296 council consider directing some or all 01:17:50.320 --> 01:17:51.976 of the 60,000 funding towards 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.655 improvements and increased participation 01:17:53.679 --> 01:17:56.376 and workshop capacity? The response 01:17:56.400 --> 01:17:58.056 through you, Mayor, is that the pro 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:00.135 proposed 60,000 investment of 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:01.816 investigations into the potential 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:03.736 establishment of a dedicated community 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:05.976 menshed, including investigations into 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.496 the Boxhill Community Art Center 01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.976 location. These investigations will 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.655 consider minor expansion through to the 01:18:11.679 --> 01:18:13.096 establishment of a fitforpurpose 01:18:13.120 --> 01:18:16.056 facility. Officers will provide a report 01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:17.655 to council on the outcome of the 01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:19.496 investigations and for consideration as 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.520 part of a future capital works program. 01:18:22.719 --> 01:18:24.456 The second question is the report 01:18:24.480 --> 01:18:26.695 proposes an indicative allocation of 01:18:26.719 --> 01:18:28.936 $60,000 for the investigations into 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.816 future community men shared facilities. 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.896 Can council detail exactly what work 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:35.896 this funding will cover, including what 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:37.416 components would be undertaken by 01:18:37.440 --> 01:18:39.256 council officers, what components would 01:18:39.280 --> 01:18:41.416 be outsourced to consultants, and why 01:18:41.440 --> 01:18:43.496 this expenditure is necessary given 01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:45.416 council's existing knowledge of its land 01:18:45.440 --> 01:18:47.976 holdings, facilities, and planning 01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:51.000 constraints. and the response. 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:53.576 The following investigations are 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.576 necessary to inform council of the 01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.336 likely costs and considerations if 01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:59.175 council was to consider further 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:00.856 investment in the creation of community 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.496 sheds. It considers two sites that are 01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.256 currently hosting sheds and appear to 01:19:05.280 --> 01:19:07.016 have potential land available for future 01:19:07.040 --> 01:19:09.896 expansion. Investigations will consider 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:11.816 a feasibility report including high 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:13.976 level concept design functional brief 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:15.896 that considers the relationship with all 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:18.056 existing service provision and 01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:20.456 compatibility at these locations as well 01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:22.135 as future use and management 01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:23.576 arrangements for shared use and 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.456 inclusive operations. It will include 01:19:26.480 --> 01:19:28.296 site servicing assessments such as 01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:30.296 technical investigations, soil testing, 01:19:30.320 --> 01:19:33.016 land surveys, geotechnical assessments, 01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:34.936 utility service location and capacity 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:36.616 assessment and planning assessment to 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.096 inform site conditions and constraints. 01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:41.496 It will also include cost estimates. The 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:43.096 works will be undertaken by council 01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:44.936 officers and consultants where technical 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.336 advice is required. 01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:49.736 Thank you, Lisa. 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:52.760 Item eight, petitions. Councilors, we 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.576 have two listed and two late petitions 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.056 tonight to be noted. For the late 01:19:58.080 --> 01:19:59.896 petitions, councilors, please refer to 01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:02.456 the late agenda in your packs or via our 01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:05.480 public website. For the gallery, 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:08.215 straight after the petitions, we will be 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:11.239 considering 10.1 heritage review 2024. 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.496 Item 8.1, 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.896 community objection to the proposed 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.536 heritage overlay. Can I have a counselor 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.695 move the item? 01:20:24.719 --> 01:20:25.896 Happy to move it, ma'am. 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.056 Thank you, councelor Barker. Can I have 01:20:28.080 --> 01:20:30.135 counselor? Is there a seconder? 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:31.256 Yes, Mayor. 01:20:31.280 --> 01:20:33.655 Thank you, councelor Griffiths. Would you 01:20:33.679 --> 01:20:35.416 like to speak to the motion? Councelor 01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:36.215 Barker. 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:38.856 Mayor, I think um we've had a lot of 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.880 speakers tonight and I think um the 01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:44.056 essence has been captured by so many 01:20:44.080 --> 01:20:45.896 thoughtful contributors tonight and 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:47.896 indeed on the petition. I don't think 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.135 much further needs to be said about it. 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:51.576 Thank you, Council Barker. Councelor 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:52.296 Griffiths. 01:20:52.320 --> 01:20:54.536 Happy to move forward to Maya. 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.096 Thank you. All those in favor, please 01:20:57.120 --> 01:20:58.456 keep your hands out as I call your 01:20:58.480 --> 01:21:01.480 names. Pass unanimously. 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:05.239 Item 8.2, use of Heatherdale Reserve. 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.536 Could I have a counselor move the item? 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.536 Happy to. Oh, 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:12.616 councelor Cuts. Is there a second? Happy 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:12.695 to 01:21:12.719 --> 01:21:15.096 second. May councelor Gun, would you 01:21:15.120 --> 01:21:16.456 like to speak to the motion? Councelor 01:21:16.480 --> 01:21:18.296 Cuts. No. Councelor Gun. 01:21:18.320 --> 01:21:20.215 Yes, just briefly. 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:21.336 Thank you councelor G. 01:21:21.360 --> 01:21:22.536 Thank you. so I just want to 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:23.896 acknowledge Joanne who spoke very 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:25.655 powerfully earlier about this matter 01:21:25.679 --> 01:21:28.456 that's coming as a as an item for 01:21:28.480 --> 01:21:31.016 consideration. colleagues you may 01:21:31.040 --> 01:21:33.736 recall that I spoke about this item at 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:36.056 as part of the Davy Lane debate back in 01:21:36.080 --> 01:21:38.856 December 2024 and I raised somewhat 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:41.016 facitiously the matter of Heath 01:21:41.040 --> 01:21:43.256 Montets at Heatherdale Reserve. At the 01:21:43.280 --> 01:21:44.776 time, I raised it as a potential 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:46.456 solution to the overload of sports 01:21:46.480 --> 01:21:48.936 grounds in the east of our city, a 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:50.536 matter that still requires further 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.936 investigation and a long-term solution. 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:55.096 I maintain that Heathmont Jet's removal 01:21:55.120 --> 01:21:57.016 from Heatherdale Reserve is a possible 01:21:57.040 --> 01:21:59.016 solution, but it would not be my first 01:21:59.040 --> 01:22:01.576 or second choice. I would however urge 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.896 councilors to acknowledge the people who 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.976 took the time to submit the petition, 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.135 and I want to stress that accepting the 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:09.736 petition is not an endorsement 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:11.416 necessarily of the content of the 01:22:11.440 --> 01:22:14.056 petition. 01:22:14.080 --> 01:22:15.496 Thank you, Council G. Are there any 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.215 further speakers to the motion? Given 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:19.896 that there are no further speakers, I'll 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.920 now put the motion. All those in favor? 01:22:23.280 --> 01:22:26.280 Pass unanimously. 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.880 Item 8.3, opposition to the proposed 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:31.896 heritage overlay for Andrew Street, 01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:34.615 Menon Road, and Shady Grove, Forest 01:22:34.639 --> 01:22:37.639 Hill, citation P04. 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:39.496 Could I have a counselor move the item? 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:40.296 as Mayor. 01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:43.320 Councelor Martin, is there a seconder? 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:44.936 Second. C 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:46.936 councelor Griffiths, would you like to 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.856 speak to the motion? Councelor Martin, 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:50.056 , just briefly, I just want to thank 01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:51.576 all the public speakers tonight and 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:53.256 appreciate everyone coming along and I'm 01:22:53.280 --> 01:22:54.776 sure we'll have plenty more discussion 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.096 during the debate on 10.1. Thank you. 01:22:57.120 --> 01:22:58.536 Thank you, Council Martin. Council 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.695 Griffiths, would anyone else like to 01:23:00.719 --> 01:23:03.016 speak to the motion? Given that there 01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:04.936 are no further speakers, I now put the 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:06.776 motion. Please put your hands up in the 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.800 air. passed unanimously. 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:13.816 C item 8.4 opposition to the proposed 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.736 heritage overlay for Mitchum Baptist 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:17.816 Church. Could I have a counselor move 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.936 the item, please? 01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:19.655 Happy to move. 01:23:19.679 --> 01:23:21.496 Councelor Stennettt, could I have a 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:22.376 council second? 01:23:22.400 --> 01:23:23.496 Happy to second, Mayor. 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:25.336 Councelor Cuts, would you like to speak 01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:27.175 to the motion? Councelor Stennett. 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.936 , yes, Mayor. 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.496 with similar to the sentiments of 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:33.576 councelor Gun. Just want to make it 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.016 clear that tonight we're being not being 01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:37.256 asked to support or oppose the contents 01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:39.096 of the pet petition. We're simply being 01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:41.416 asked receive it and refer it through 01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:43.896 the appropriate council process. 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.056 Petitions are are important way for 01:23:46.080 --> 01:23:48.135 residents to bring issues to council's 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.056 attention. By receiving a petition, 01:23:50.080 --> 01:23:52.215 we're not endorsing its request, nor are 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:53.416 we making a decision on the matter 01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:55.576 itself. We're acknowledging that members 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:57.096 of our community have exercised the 01:23:57.120 --> 01:23:59.096 right to raise an issue with council and 01:23:59.120 --> 01:24:00.456 ensuring that it receives the 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:03.256 appropriate consideration. If following 01:24:03.280 --> 01:24:05.736 officer assessment, a future decision is 01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:07.096 required, council will have the 01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:08.536 opportunity to consider the merits of 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.215 the matter at that time. So for that 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:11.736 reason, I believe the appropriate course 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.376 is to receive the petition and refer it 01:24:14.400 --> 01:24:16.856 in accordance with their normal process. 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.376 Thank you. Councelor Senate Council 01:24:18.400 --> 01:24:19.896 Cuts, did you speak? 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:21.655 Yes, briefly. I'd just like to thank all 01:24:21.679 --> 01:24:23.896 the petitioners for this, the 184 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:26.135 petitioners and also for all the other 01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.159 petitions as well. Um it is important 01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:31.736 for us to hear from our community and 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.760 this is one way that we can take on 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:38.056 board the um what is being said and what 01:24:38.080 --> 01:24:40.215 council Stenet said is correct. It's 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:42.456 that we receive the petition and then 01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:45.336 that is um that is taken by officers and 01:24:45.360 --> 01:24:47.096 acted upon. Although of course we've got 01:24:47.120 --> 01:24:48.615 the heritage overlay being discussed 01:24:48.639 --> 01:24:50.615 this evening but thank you to all who've 01:24:50.639 --> 01:24:51.976 contributed. Thank you may 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:53.416 thank you councelor cuts. Would anyone 01:24:53.440 --> 01:24:56.215 else like to speak to this motion? 01:24:56.239 --> 01:24:57.816 Given that there are no further speakers 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.840 I now put the motion. All those in favor 01:25:01.280 --> 01:25:04.280 pass unanimously. 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.135 Item nine notice of motions. Councilors 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:10.695 we have no notice of motions tonight. As 01:25:10.719 --> 01:25:12.615 there are no notices of motion we will 01:25:12.639 --> 01:25:15.256 now move to the next item. 01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:18.056 Council council the item is council item 01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:21.080 10 council reports. 01:25:21.120 --> 01:25:23.016 I would first like to take a moment to 01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:25.576 request here before each item is called 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:27.655 tonight councilors allow me to finish 01:25:27.679 --> 01:25:30.135 announcing the item title and formally 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:32.695 call from mover before contributing. 01:25:32.719 --> 01:25:35.175 Thank you councel Weller as you have 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.175 indicated a conflict of interest for it 01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.096 10.1. Can you please leave the chamber 01:25:39.120 --> 01:25:42.120 for the debate on this item? 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:53.560 Item 10.1, Heritage Review 2024. Could I 01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:56.296 have a counselor to move the item? 01:25:56.320 --> 01:25:57.336 Happy to move, Mayor. 01:25:57.360 --> 01:25:59.256 Councelor Cuts, is there a second? 01:25:59.280 --> 01:26:01.496 Sorry, I be pardon Mayor with um an 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:02.536 amendment. 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:04.215 Thank you, Councelor Cuts. What is that 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.175 amendment, please? It is to add um 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:10.199 significant number of properties um 01:26:10.719 --> 01:26:13.576 which have been put forward tonight and 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.896 that councilors have heard from the 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:18.536 community in the last few weeks. 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:21.336 And how is that to add those properties? 01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:23.416 Yes, Mayor. It is to add to exclude 01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:26.215 those from the heritage overlay. Mayor, 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:27.816 thank you. Councelor Cuts. Would someone 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:29.175 like to second this amendment? 01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:30.215 Second, Mayor 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.936 Councelor Davenport. Councelor Cuts. 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.175 Thank you very much, Mayor. And first of 01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:37.016 all, I'd like to acknowledge every 01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:40.040 single person who spoke this evening and 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.096 especially those whose language of 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:45.496 English is not the first language. I 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.256 would like to thank you very very much 01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:49.416 for your contribution this evening for 01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:52.440 us to fully appreciate the deep 01:26:54.400 --> 01:26:57.400 distress that some people have um have 01:26:57.440 --> 01:27:00.440 experienced through this. But what I 01:27:00.639 --> 01:27:03.639 also wish to do is to explain 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:06.776 what our obligations are under the 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.800 planning and environment act and we have 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.215 an obligation to identify and protect 01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.016 places of historical architectural and 01:27:15.040 --> 01:27:16.856 cultural significance within white 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.880 horse. Now I want to acknowledge at the 01:27:20.320 --> 01:27:22.456 very outset that heritage decision 01:27:22.480 --> 01:27:25.480 decisions are among the most difficult 01:27:26.320 --> 01:27:29.320 matters that we consider as council laws 01:27:32.320 --> 01:27:35.320 because these decisions directly affect 01:27:36.080 --> 01:27:38.536 property owners as we've heard this 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:40.296 evening. 01:27:40.320 --> 01:27:43.320 Patricia, 88 years of age, from Forest 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.376 Hill and your husband, 90. 01:27:46.400 --> 01:27:48.056 And over the recent weeks, we've heard 01:27:48.080 --> 01:27:50.215 from many, many residents. And what we 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:52.376 have in the gallery here is only a small 01:27:52.400 --> 01:27:54.215 proportion of people who we have 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.856 actually heard from in this last couple 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.880 of weeks. 01:28:00.480 --> 01:28:03.480 This evening we've heard from five 01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:07.096 individual people talking about the 01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:10.120 precinct 02 the small homes service 01:28:10.400 --> 01:28:12.376 houses 01:28:12.400 --> 01:28:15.096 and these are homes which I will go into 01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:18.120 a bit later but built between 1949 to 01:28:18.320 --> 01:28:21.320 about 1956 and the precinct 4 which is 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:25.000 the postworld war modernist houses group 01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:27.496 as well as individual public properties 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:29.496 such as the Mitchum Baptist Church 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:32.056 located at 8 to 12 Similar Street which 01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:35.080 is on this list here at point 01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:38.056 Q. 01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:40.376 So these concerns that we've heard this 01:28:40.400 --> 01:28:43.400 evening from all the speakers and I also 01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:46.456 acknowledge those who spoke in favor of 01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:49.480 this but these concerns from home 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:52.135 homeowners are genuine and they deserve 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.159 our respect. As council laws, we must 01:28:55.280 --> 01:28:57.175 balance the interests of individual 01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:59.175 property owners with our responsibility 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.256 to preserve places that contribute to 01:29:01.280 --> 01:29:03.736 the history and identity of our 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:06.536 municipality. Importantly, the 01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:09.336 recommendations before us, which is to 01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:11.896 include about 60 properties, are still 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.296 to be included, but to exclude these 01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:16.536 properties, they based on a process 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.695 involving detailed research and 01:29:18.719 --> 01:29:20.936 assessments undertaken in accordance 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:22.456 with the burough charter and state 01:29:22.480 --> 01:29:25.175 government heritage guidelines. 01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.336 The report also demonstrates that this 01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:30.056 process is not inflexible. 01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:32.135 There is precedent within Whitehorse 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:34.215 for properties for being removed from 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.239 heritage studies. As noted in the 01:29:37.280 --> 01:29:40.280 heritage review 2024, some small homes 01:29:40.719 --> 01:29:42.615 service houses were withdrawn from 01:29:42.639 --> 01:29:45.175 earlier heritage studies due to owner 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.336 objections or because alterations had 01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:50.360 reduced their heritage integrity. 01:29:50.639 --> 01:29:53.096 I wish now to speak briefly about the 01:29:53.120 --> 01:29:55.336 small home service program which is the 01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:57.576 age RVIA 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.600 identified as precinct 4. I am concerned 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.736 about this precinct. Um originally 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:05.896 comprised of 18 small homes, today 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:07.736 there's only 15 remaining with three 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.695 already demolished. They they go across 01:30:10.719 --> 01:30:12.856 the whole municipality and they are in 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.880 fact not an intact precinct. They are 01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:19.320 desperate homes across the municipality 01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.920 and that in itself is a concern because 01:30:23.360 --> 01:30:25.496 the study acknowledges that many of 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.655 these have been altered, extended or 01:30:27.679 --> 01:30:29.416 remodeled over time, reducing the 01:30:29.440 --> 01:30:31.016 overall integrity of the original 01:30:31.040 --> 01:30:34.040 housing stock. I'm also mindful that 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:35.816 these homes were deliberately designed 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:38.215 as a mass-produced housing program. 01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:39.655 Thousands of these homes were built 01:30:39.679 --> 01:30:41.496 across Victoria using standardized 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:43.336 plans. And whilst they're representative 01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:45.096 of a period and a history, they are not 01:30:45.120 --> 01:30:46.936 rare, nor do they appear to form a 01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:48.856 unique or cohesive heritage precinct 01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:51.256 within White Horse. And the absence of a 01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:53.655 consistent streetscape or identifiable 01:30:53.679 --> 01:30:55.976 cluster also makes it difficult for the 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:58.135 community to appreciate any collective 01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:00.536 heritage value. These homes do not exist 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:03.016 as a recognizable heritage area, but as 01:31:03.040 --> 01:31:04.456 scattered examples across the 01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:07.480 municipality. 01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:11.159 So given that I I have um moved that we 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.896 remove these properties from the 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.215 heritage overlay as well as these other 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.856 properties. So in conclusion, tonight is 01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:20.776 not the end of the process. Rather, it's 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.096 the beginning of a lengthy process with 01:31:23.120 --> 01:31:25.416 those properties still in the heritage 01:31:25.440 --> 01:31:27.896 overlay. If authorized by the minister, 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:29.655 there will be a formal public exhibition 01:31:29.679 --> 01:31:31.416 period providing affected owners and 01:31:31.440 --> 01:31:33.016 community members with the opportunity 01:31:33.040 --> 01:31:34.776 to make submissions and have their views 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:35.655 heard. cuts. 01:31:35.679 --> 01:31:38.615 Thank you, Mayor. Council Davenport. 01:31:38.639 --> 01:31:40.856 well, thank you, Mayor. And um I know 01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:43.336 that this has come to council a number 01:31:43.360 --> 01:31:46.360 of months ago. Um and you you you'll 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:48.695 notice that I have changed my position 01:31:48.719 --> 01:31:51.016 somewhat and originally I sought to 01:31:51.040 --> 01:31:54.040 abandon the entire amendment. Um but I 01:31:54.320 --> 01:31:57.016 have listened to the discussion and and 01:31:57.040 --> 01:31:59.976 points of view and um and I'm 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:01.896 comfortable with what is being proposed 01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:04.776 with this um with this motion tonight. 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:06.695 The first thing that I'd wanted to raise 01:32:06.719 --> 01:32:08.776 councilors is um point number three 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.800 which hasn't had any air time tonight. 01:32:12.320 --> 01:32:15.175 One of the elements that um I'm always 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.199 worried about is when there is a 01:32:18.480 --> 01:32:21.480 heritage process that's underway 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:23.896 and someone wants to develop their house 01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.135 or demolish part of it and then they 01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:28.456 have a herit interim heritage control 01:32:28.480 --> 01:32:30.615 on it, it does really stifle them before 01:32:30.639 --> 01:32:32.536 they get to have their opportunity to 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.560 speak. And so rather than um apply that 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:38.536 to um all of the all of the properties 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.096 that we that we plan to take forward if 01:32:41.120 --> 01:32:43.576 this motion gets up that we don't seek 01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:46.456 interim heritage control at this 01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:49.480 particular point in time but react if 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.920 there is a demolition or an a housing 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:55.736 amendment that comes to us. That's what 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.760 currently occurs right now for um for 01:32:59.440 --> 01:33:01.655 these particular properties at the 01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:03.976 moment. And I think that that that gives 01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:05.816 members of the public the opportunity to 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.256 put their case forward and for 01:33:07.280 --> 01:33:08.936 counselors to understand what that 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:11.336 demolition work is all about. So 01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:14.056 councilors, that's my my first point. Um 01:33:14.080 --> 01:33:16.296 the second point is that there's a 01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:19.016 number of properties that aren't being 01:33:19.040 --> 01:33:22.040 excluded tonight. Um and that's because 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:24.536 of what councelor cuts has mentioned. 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.016 There's some element there's some items 01:33:27.040 --> 01:33:29.896 and properties that do have additional 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:31.976 merit. Councilors, I know that we've 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:33.736 heard from a number of speakers saying 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.760 about when do you take a property out? 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.960 My personal view is the earlier the 01:33:40.320 --> 01:33:43.320 better for owner occupiers of 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:46.776 properties. Why? Because there is a 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:48.856 considerable amount of stress that you 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.256 have when you undergo a heritage 01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:52.776 process. 01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:55.336 A considerable amount of stress when you 01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:57.655 when you get a letter to say minister's 01:33:57.679 --> 01:34:00.056 considering it can last up to two years. 01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:03.080 And so having that level of stress I 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:06.199 think is is difficult. Um 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.199 councilors I think that everyone here 01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:13.880 will know my particular view on heritage 01:34:14.400 --> 01:34:16.695 tonight and a number of members of the 01:34:16.719 --> 01:34:19.719 gallery as well. Um but what I would say 01:34:20.080 --> 01:34:22.536 is that this motion strikes a balance 01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:25.560 between all the competing um points that 01:34:26.480 --> 01:34:28.376 have been put up and I urge your support 01:34:28.400 --> 01:34:30.936 for this motion. Thank you. 01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.655 Thank you, Tor Davenport. Would anyone 01:34:33.679 --> 01:34:34.615 like to speak to the motion? 01:34:34.639 --> 01:34:35.256 Mayor. 01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:37.655 Councelor Barker. 01:34:37.679 --> 01:34:40.679 Thank you, Mayor. 01:34:41.120 --> 01:34:43.896 I'd like to start with an apology 01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:46.776 to so many people that are here tonight. 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:49.800 I came here to improve people's lives, 01:34:51.679 --> 01:34:53.336 not to diminish their lives, not to make 01:34:53.360 --> 01:34:56.135 them unhappy or anxious. 01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:58.776 And we've clearly done that. 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.016 And I found the speakers tonight to be 01:35:01.040 --> 01:35:03.256 incredibly moving. 01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:05.256 Decent people that have just worked hard 01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:07.816 and they want to be left alone. 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:10.840 Robert Mensy spoke of home spiritual 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.496 which is about the sanctity of a home. 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:15.256 So many hardworking people that have 01:35:15.280 --> 01:35:17.175 spent their lives as teachers and police 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:20.199 people paying off mortgages over time. 01:35:21.679 --> 01:35:23.416 I reluctantly support this tonight 01:35:23.440 --> 01:35:26.440 because instinctively I don't support 01:35:26.719 --> 01:35:29.096 taking heritage to an extreme level 01:35:29.120 --> 01:35:30.856 because I believe in the sanctity of 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:33.336 private property rights in a western 01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:36.135 liberal democracy. 01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:39.096 I think often it's disproportionate. 01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:41.256 I would be the first to chain myself to 01:35:41.280 --> 01:35:44.280 the town hall or the Wesley and Chapel 01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.096 in Woodhouse Grove. 01:35:47.120 --> 01:35:48.856 But this is where we've got to the point 01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:51.416 where we're scraping the bottom of the 01:35:51.440 --> 01:35:53.336 barrel. 01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:56.056 And in fact, they're not just buildings, 01:35:56.080 --> 01:35:59.080 they're homes. They're homes for people. 01:35:59.679 --> 01:36:01.256 And it's pretty difficult not to be 01:36:01.280 --> 01:36:03.256 incredibly proud of the people that give 01:36:03.280 --> 01:36:05.896 us this privilege. When you see children 01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:07.816 that are probably in their 50s coming 01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:10.296 out to speak up for mom and dad that are 01:36:10.320 --> 01:36:13.256 in their 90s, I tell you what, when you 01:36:13.280 --> 01:36:14.936 start to think that maybe this country's 01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:16.936 got some problems and you listen to the 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:19.496 speakers we heard tonight, I have great 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.520 optimism for this country. And that's 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:24.615 why I'll reluctantly support this and I 01:36:24.639 --> 01:36:25.976 will support it and I'll urge you to 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:28.056 support it too cuz as councelor 01:36:28.080 --> 01:36:30.615 Davenport said we saw was that Ronald 01:36:30.639 --> 01:36:32.215 Street young family all they want to do 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.695 is build their family home and I visited 01:36:34.719 --> 01:36:36.536 all of these homes in my ward that are 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.296 being on the exclusion on this carve out 01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:40.856 here. 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.096 Why would we? We would be effectively 01:36:43.120 --> 01:36:45.016 destroying someone's life cuz they 01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:47.175 bought that place to build their their 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:48.856 proper they're quite environmentally 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.655 interested home and they're renting the 01:36:51.679 --> 01:36:54.135 the other one over the back. We would 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:56.376 basic we like we almost did to that 01:36:56.400 --> 01:36:57.816 young couple in Peter Street almost 01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:59.896 bankrupt them. I'm not prepared to do 01:36:59.920 --> 01:37:02.376 that. That is disproportionate. 01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:04.056 Government should be very careful when 01:37:04.080 --> 01:37:07.080 we apply the hammer. Our what are we 01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:09.416 trying to achieve? We're trying to pro 01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:11.896 protect things so that we might educate 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:13.655 future generations. That's what I've 01:37:13.679 --> 01:37:15.736 been told. That's why this is important. 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:17.816 Well, anyone that would drive past 26 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.840 Len Street, Lawrence's place would that 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.056 would be reputationally damaged to 01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:26.936 damaging to us. My dad was a jouro and a 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:28.215 news editor. I tell you what, if it 01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:30.856 bleeds, it leads heritage. Putting a 01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.095 heritage overlay on that property would 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:34.856 be incredibly damaging to us and so 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.856 would many of the others. Thank you 01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:37.736 everyone that spoke tonight. 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.760 Thank you councelor Barker. 01:37:41.679 --> 01:37:43.256 Order. 01:37:43.280 --> 01:37:46.280 Order, please. 01:37:47.040 --> 01:37:49.336 Thank you. Would anyone else like to 01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:50.376 speak to the motion? 01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:51.095 Yes, Mayor. 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:52.056 Councelor Simpson. 01:37:52.080 --> 01:37:53.976 Thank you, Mayor. 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.296 I too would also like to apologize to 01:37:56.320 --> 01:37:58.615 people in the community who's have 01:37:58.639 --> 01:38:01.639 experienced anxiety or distress and 01:38:01.679 --> 01:38:03.175 perhaps that's on council to have 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.976 explained the process better. But for 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:07.336 counselors and for people in the 01:38:07.360 --> 01:38:08.856 gallery, I'd like to take you to two 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:11.880 examples. the first in our term, my 01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:13.736 first term on council of the Nanawati 01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:15.976 United Church where the owners of that 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.456 building wanted to sell their building 01:38:18.480 --> 01:38:21.480 and then suddenly they were told there 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:23.256 might be a potential heritage overlay on 01:38:23.280 --> 01:38:25.976 that property and the impact that had on 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:27.655 that church community because they 01:38:27.679 --> 01:38:30.376 didn't know about it. But as already 01:38:30.400 --> 01:38:32.536 alluded to, I'd like to take councilors 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.560 back to the debate over two Peter 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:37.655 Avenue in Blackburn North, which is 01:38:37.679 --> 01:38:39.736 actually near where I live. 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.095 And I wasn't a counselor at the time, 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:42.456 but I did happen to be in the gallery 01:38:42.480 --> 01:38:44.456 for that debate. 01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:47.256 And again, we had a young couple who was 01:38:47.280 --> 01:38:49.736 suffering quite a lot of distress 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:51.336 because they bought their property in 01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:53.175 good faith. They'd gone to put a 01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:54.456 planning application in and they were 01:38:54.480 --> 01:38:56.296 told, "You have a potential heritage 01:38:56.320 --> 01:38:58.536 overlay." 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:00.776 All these examples 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.095 show that the current process was not 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:06.119 working and was not fair. It wasn't fair 01:39:06.480 --> 01:39:09.016 on residents and it wasn't also fair to 01:39:09.040 --> 01:39:11.896 those who do value heritage in our 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.920 city. And so we as a council decided to 01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:18.520 take a step. We decided to to deal with 01:39:18.719 --> 01:39:20.936 the issue once and for all. And that 01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:23.960 meant beginning this process where 01:39:24.400 --> 01:39:26.056 people who have spoken tonight and other 01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:28.536 people not present today tonight got 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.936 a letter in their mailbox saying you 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:33.175 might have a potential heritage overlay. 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:35.016 And I want to stress potential. This is 01:39:35.040 --> 01:39:36.615 not council saying you're going to have 01:39:36.639 --> 01:39:38.536 it. This is council saying there might 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:40.776 be a potential overlay there and we need 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.095 to work through the process. And I am I 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:46.119 am distressed that people have 01:39:46.320 --> 01:39:49.320 suffered anxiety over this issue and 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:51.256 in the future I think we need to do 01:39:51.280 --> 01:39:53.336 better at explaining these very 01:39:53.360 --> 01:39:56.056 complicated planning matters. 01:39:56.080 --> 01:39:58.695 But councilors as has been said this 01:39:58.719 --> 01:40:00.856 list here strikes the balance. I believe 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.576 in evidence-based decisionmaking and as 01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.736 we've heard tonight a lot of the 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.416 properties that have gone through a 01:40:07.440 --> 01:40:08.776 desktop review have had significant 01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:10.776 alteration. They've had building damage. 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:12.936 They are no longer in the original 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:14.776 condition that gives them heritage 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:16.776 value. They're scattered across the city 01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:19.095 not necessarily forming a cohesive 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.416 precinct. And therefore the burden that 01:40:21.440 --> 01:40:23.816 that would place on people's lives in my 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:26.615 view is not just there is value to 01:40:26.639 --> 01:40:28.536 heritage in the city. I have had 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:30.296 residents in my own ward approach me 01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:31.736 about potential heritage on their 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.576 property and they are in favor of it. In 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:35.175 fact, we've heard from a speaker also 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:37.655 tonight, Damon, who spoke in favor of 01:40:37.679 --> 01:40:40.215 it and that's okay. If they want it, not 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:42.056 a problem. But for those who have 01:40:42.080 --> 01:40:43.736 presented evidence that suggests 01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:45.816 heritage is not warranted, we have 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:47.976 listened to you. But once again, I am 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:49.416 sorry for the distress that you have 01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:52.056 received. 01:40:52.080 --> 01:40:55.080 Thank 01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:58.296 Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would 01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:01.320 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:03.016 Yes, ma'am. 01:41:03.040 --> 01:41:04.376 Councelor Stennett. 01:41:04.400 --> 01:41:06.056 Thank you, Mayor. I just like to speak 01:41:06.080 --> 01:41:08.615 on one of the items that's been 01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:10.695 excluded, which is 8 to2 Simma Street, 01:41:10.719 --> 01:41:13.655 Mitchum. Um, one of probably more 01:41:13.679 --> 01:41:16.135 significant items on the list. Um 01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:18.135 firstly I'd like to acknowledge the work 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:20.135 undertaken by the heritage consultants 01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:22.376 and council officers. The history of the 01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:24.936 site has clearly been researched and 01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:26.615 there's no doubt that this building 01:41:26.639 --> 01:41:29.016 forms part of White Horse's postwar 01:41:29.040 --> 01:41:31.175 industrial story. But history alone is 01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:32.695 not the test before us tonight. The 01:41:32.719 --> 01:41:34.536 question is not whether this building 01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:37.256 has a history. Question is whether it 01:41:37.280 --> 01:41:38.936 has a level of heritage significance 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:40.856 that justifies the application of a 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.880 heritage overlay. After reviewing the 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.215 evidence, I am not persuaded that it 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.936 does. I'm also mindful that some might 01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.175 argue council should not be removing 01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:52.856 properties from the overlay at this 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.336 stage. Respectfully, I disagree. Our 01:41:55.360 --> 01:41:57.576 role as council is not simply to endorse 01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:00.135 every recommendation put before us. Our 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:01.655 role is to assess the evidence and 01:42:01.679 --> 01:42:04.056 exercise judgment. If we believe a 01:42:04.080 --> 01:42:06.056 property does not meet the threshold of 01:42:06.080 --> 01:42:08.536 heritage protection, then it is entirely 01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:10.615 appropriate to say so. This is not 01:42:10.639 --> 01:42:13.016 avoiding our statutory responsibility. 01:42:13.040 --> 01:42:15.736 It is fulfilling it. The statement of 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.135 significant significance relies on 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:21.159 criterion D and E. Under criterion D, 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:22.536 the building is described as a 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.695 representative example of a postwar 01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:27.175 factory complex. That's where precisely 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:29.976 I struggle. The report repeatedly uses 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.000 words such as representative, typical, 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:35.736 demonstrative. It describes a factory 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.655 behind an office building, a form that 01:42:37.679 --> 01:42:39.175 was common through White Horse and 01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:41.016 through Melbourne during the postwar 01:42:41.040 --> 01:42:43.175 period. In other words, the report makes 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.016 a convincing case that it's a good 01:42:45.040 --> 01:42:48.040 example of its type. What it does not 01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:50.536 convincingly demonstrate is why it is 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:52.456 such an exceptional example of its type 01:42:52.480 --> 01:42:54.135 and that permanent heritage protection 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:56.376 is warranted. A good example is not 01:42:56.400 --> 01:42:59.175 automatically a heritage listed example. 01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:00.856 I'm also concerned that part of the 01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:02.856 argument appears to rely on the fact 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:04.776 that many comparable industrial 01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:06.936 buildings have disappeared over time 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:08.536 with respect to building should not 01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:10.776 become significant simply because other 01:43:10.800 --> 01:43:13.175 buildings have been demolished. Heritage 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:14.776 significance should rest on the merits 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.655 of the place itself. Under criterion E, 01:43:17.679 --> 01:43:19.655 the building is described as a striking 01:43:19.679 --> 01:43:22.679 example of post-war modernism. Yet 01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:24.536 elsewhere in the report, it's described 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.560 as restrained, utilitarian, understated. 01:43:28.480 --> 01:43:30.695 While I accept the office facade is 01:43:30.719 --> 01:43:32.536 welldesigned and architecturally 01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:35.095 competent, I don't see the evidence that 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.695 this is a landmark building, an 01:43:36.719 --> 01:43:38.856 influential work of architecture, or one 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:40.615 of mun the municipality's most 01:43:40.639 --> 01:43:42.615 distinguished examples of postwar 01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:45.336 modernism. Again, I see a good bu good 01:43:45.360 --> 01:43:47.095 building, but not a heritage overlay 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:50.119 building. 01:43:50.400 --> 01:43:52.296 For those reasons, I support the 01:43:52.320 --> 01:43:53.976 exclusion of 8 to 12 Similar Street 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:56.695 Mitchum from the proposed heritage 01:43:56.719 --> 01:43:59.719 overlay. Thank you. 01:44:04.320 --> 01:44:07.016 Thank you, councelor Stenet. Would any 01:44:07.040 --> 01:44:08.376 other councilors like to speak to the 01:44:08.400 --> 01:44:09.016 motion? 01:44:09.040 --> 01:44:10.536 Yes. Yes, Mayor. 01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:12.776 Councelor Griffiths, 01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.800 I'll um reluctantly support this. Um 01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:18.296 it's not because I disagree with the 01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:21.016 speakers, but I my concern is there are 01:44:21.040 --> 01:44:23.175 people that might not have engaged like 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.736 the people that have come here tonight. 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:27.175 people that might have also got the 01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:29.976 letter just 10 days ago, maybe overseas, 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.056 may not have that drive of self- 01:44:32.080 --> 01:44:33.655 advocacy 01:44:33.679 --> 01:44:36.679 that the people here have tonight. 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.536 People that probably engage with council 01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:43.336 by looking up is it yellow bin day or 01:44:43.360 --> 01:44:45.976 green bin day and pay their rates. 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:47.896 That's that's what they might not know 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:49.655 who their local counselor is, how to 01:44:49.679 --> 01:44:52.056 engage with the process. 01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:54.296 Um, so I'll reluctantly support those on 01:44:54.320 --> 01:44:56.135 the list and support what the speakers 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.816 have to say, but I do have a concern 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.776 about the remaining ones that will be 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.800 subject to a slightly different process. 01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:09.000 I'd like to thank um the speaker for 132 01:45:10.320 --> 01:45:13.320 Burwood Highway, Sarah, and I'm proud to 01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:15.496 say that all of the properties that I 01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:17.256 represent in my area that are on this 01:45:17.280 --> 01:45:20.280 list are on this exclusion list. 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:22.856 Back in February, we made a council 01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:25.095 resolved to listen to the community and 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:27.016 we've heard you loud and clear. I think 01:45:27.040 --> 01:45:30.040 that's that's that's clear. but in 01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:34.135 February, there are only a few speakers 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.135 here. We had the historical societies 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:39.159 that you've heard from tonight. Um, 01:45:39.840 --> 01:45:42.056 but what you might recognize is that you 01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:44.135 have the power when you engage with 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.376 council as a collective group of 01:45:46.400 --> 01:45:49.016 residents who might not have come to a 01:45:49.040 --> 01:45:51.095 council meeting before, might not have 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:53.576 engaged in process. The power really 01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:55.576 lies in your hands because you hold us 01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:57.576 accountable for the decisions we make. 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.600 So, thank you for engaging. 01:46:01.040 --> 01:46:03.496 Like councelor Barker, I didn't join 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:05.496 council for people to be treated like 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:08.520 this for the distress that's been caused 01:46:08.639 --> 01:46:10.536 to potentially rob people of their 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.560 financial future care needs. 01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:17.016 So my first preference would be abandon 01:46:17.040 --> 01:46:19.416 this whole process. 01:46:19.440 --> 01:46:22.056 Um, but this is the next next best next 01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:22.135 best next best next best next best next 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:22.160 best next best next best next best next 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:23.655 best next best next best thing and I 01:46:23.679 --> 01:46:25.816 think this might be the finest hour for 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:27.816 White Horse counselors in terms of 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.056 listening to the community and and 01:46:30.080 --> 01:46:31.896 getting a really significant amount of 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.215 resident engagement. So I'd like to 01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:37.239 thank you. Thank you. 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:44.056 Thank you councelor Griffiths. Are there 01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:45.416 any other councils who'd like to speak 01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:48.376 to the motion? 01:46:48.400 --> 01:46:50.135 Councelor Gun, 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:53.095 it's not a race. , I wanted to start 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:54.615 by thanking a few of the speakers that 01:46:54.639 --> 01:46:56.135 have come in here tonight and just 01:46:56.159 --> 01:46:58.056 acknowledge them. , Leeing, I think 01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:00.135 you spoke very passionately earlier. , 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:02.936 Patricia, our our street is are not 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.960 museum pieces. , Leo, , you did 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:08.135 exceptionally well representing yourself 01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:10.536 as well. , Lucy, you have a great 01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:12.456 nephew in Daniel who spoke very, very 01:47:12.480 --> 01:47:15.095 well earlier as well. , David, we will 01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:16.615 not move on from this. We have heard you 01:47:16.639 --> 01:47:18.856 loud and clear on this this evening. 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:21.880 and and Marie Darling, I I think I would 01:47:22.639 --> 01:47:24.536 say that you were the the most best the 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.016 it's not an award ceremony, but I I 01:47:27.040 --> 01:47:28.536 really enjoyed your speech this evening 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:30.376 and I think you represented yourself and 01:47:30.400 --> 01:47:32.856 indeed the room um very adequately this 01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:35.416 evening. So, well done. I want to 01:47:35.440 --> 01:47:37.655 acknowledge that Oh, I've got a bit to 01:47:37.679 --> 01:47:39.336 go. Um I want to acknowledge the 01:47:39.360 --> 01:47:40.695 officers that have gone through this 01:47:40.719 --> 01:47:42.376 process. They are not here to harm 01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:44.456 lives. They are not going about this 01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:46.135 twitching their mustaches. How how can 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.135 we ruin people's lives this week? Um 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:49.336 they are going through a process that 01:47:49.360 --> 01:47:50.856 they are obliged to do under the 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:52.135 planning scheme. They have to 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:53.416 acknowledge what are the potential 01:47:53.440 --> 01:47:56.056 properties in our city that should be 01:47:56.080 --> 01:47:58.056 acknowledged with heritage and they have 01:47:58.080 --> 01:48:00.215 devised a process and there were some 01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:01.576 flaws in this process. I think we could 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:03.416 admit that this evening but they have 01:48:03.440 --> 01:48:05.496 devised a process to try and maintain a 01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:07.256 list. I think what tonight has done is 01:48:07.280 --> 01:48:09.016 that we've whittleled that down to a 01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:10.615 list that we can move forward with. So 01:48:10.639 --> 01:48:12.376 with these exclusions we can move 01:48:12.400 --> 01:48:14.296 forward with properties like Livingston 01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:16.135 Primary School which is in my ward like 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:17.976 the Ber Lee Preschool which is also in 01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.296 my ward considering these properties and 01:48:20.320 --> 01:48:22.776 the heritage value they might have. I 01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:24.296 also want to thank those that engage 01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:26.135 with me personally in this process. So, 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:27.896 a few residents in my ward, Peter and 01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:30.296 Robin, um Robin I actually used to work 01:48:30.320 --> 01:48:32.695 with 19 to 22 years ago when I was at 01:48:32.719 --> 01:48:35.719 each um she came and spoke to me. She 01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:38.776 wrote to me um I acknowledge their 01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:40.776 advocacy on on this matter. those 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:42.615 outside of my ward and I mentioned Lucy 01:48:42.639 --> 01:48:45.496 and Katherine as well. Um I think it's 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.576 really important that we get this right. 01:48:47.600 --> 01:48:49.816 and I think what tonight does having 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:51.256 acknowledged what councelor Griffiths has 01:48:51.280 --> 01:48:53.336 said in that um there is many that 01:48:53.360 --> 01:48:54.856 haven't engaged in this process but 01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:56.776 those that have we've listened to you 01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.456 and we we are getting this right this 01:48:58.480 --> 01:48:59.896 evening. I think I can read the room 01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:01.896 adequately by saying that I don't think 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:03.496 I need to foreshadow moving the 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:05.816 substantive but if I do Mayor just 01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:08.536 acknowledge that in case this fails um I 01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:09.736 will 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:11.736 and um I just want to acknowledge one 01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:14.135 other and I might get some um push back 01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:15.736 on this one. I have a great relationship 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:17.496 with John Malay. I'm not a Labour 01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:19.095 member, but I do acknowledge that his 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:20.856 office was actually one of the places 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:23.175 that received a letter. Um, he probably 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:25.095 put it in the filing cabinet that he 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:26.936 received from all the letters that we 01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:28.936 write to John Malay regarding many 01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:31.655 matters of council. Um, but that two 01:49:31.679 --> 01:49:34.135 Brenford Square property is also moving 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:35.896 forward with potential heritage as a 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:38.135 former Commonwalth Bank building. Um, I 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:39.736 think that's my time. , thank you 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:41.336 everyone for your participation this 01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:43.256 evening. I think you find that the 01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:45.095 council has listened to you and I look 01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:48.119 forward to the vote. 01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:51.896 Thank you, councelor Gun. Would any 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:53.336 other councilors like to speak to the 01:49:53.360 --> 01:49:55.416 motion? Council Allan. 01:49:55.440 --> 01:49:57.896 Yes, thank you, Madame May. Um, I will 01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:00.376 obviously support the the motion as as 01:50:00.400 --> 01:50:03.400 printed and as what's on the screen. Um 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.256 it's been it's been a great exercise 01:50:05.280 --> 01:50:06.776 actually and and I know there's been a 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:08.376 lot of angst right throughout the 01:50:08.400 --> 01:50:10.776 community about receiving those letters 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:13.336 but I think you know it's it's a part 01:50:13.360 --> 01:50:14.936 of a process that we have to go through 01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:17.816 and once again you know I can 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:19.976 apologize for the the angst that it has 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:22.856 caused but um and I'm glad that the that 01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:24.536 list has expanded somewhat because I 01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:25.896 think I put half of them up there in the 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.920 first place and so I thank the other 01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:32.119 counselors for adding that on too. So 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:34.135 because what had happened when I had 01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:36.776 looked through the responses to to the 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.800 to us personally and and and through 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.936 and to the council, I I understood that 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:44.856 the that people were really really 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.576 concerned about about the effects of the 01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:50.600 heritage overlay that can have on on on 01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:53.880 properties. And I think overall that 01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:56.536 imposing heritage overlays can on 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.560 residential properties can restrict 01:50:59.679 --> 01:51:02.135 homeowner rights and it can it can 01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:04.376 stifle modern innovation and severely 01:51:04.400 --> 01:51:07.400 limit necessary housing developments 01:51:07.440 --> 01:51:09.976 instead of preserving history. 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:13.000 Over overly restrict regulations that 01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:15.095 make property upgrades prohibitly 01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:18.119 expensive reduce property values and 01:51:18.639 --> 01:51:21.639 exacerbate housing shortages. , Madame 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:25.239 Mayor, a home is is typically a person's 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:27.576 largest financial investment as we've 01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:29.896 heard tonight. Yet, heritage overlays 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:32.920 can hand control of that investment over 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.960 to local councils. It's just another 01:51:36.080 --> 01:51:38.215 part of bureaucracy and I think 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:40.536 bureaucracy gone mad. It does not 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.560 improve people's lives. Um, 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.256 , historic buildings, materials, and 01:51:47.280 --> 01:51:49.256 specialized trades required by heritage 01:51:49.280 --> 01:51:51.496 guidelines can inflate renovation 01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:54.520 budgets. And I I've seen, , reports it 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:57.816 could be 20 to 50% compared to standard 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.135 construction. It's in it's inflated 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.056 building costs for really no good 01:52:02.080 --> 01:52:05.080 reason. overly restrictive overlays 01:52:06.400 --> 01:52:08.936 can make property less appealing to 01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:11.256 buyers who want a modern lowmaintenance 01:52:11.280 --> 01:52:13.655 home which artificially depresses a 01:52:13.679 --> 01:52:15.896 property market value. This is a major 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:18.920 concern with home and property owners 01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:21.095 and we should not be a part of that. I 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:22.936 will not be a part of that. Housing 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.695 prices rise and fall depending on a 01:52:24.719 --> 01:52:27.719 whole lot of economic reasons. 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.575 we can celebrate our history through 01:52:29.599 --> 01:52:31.575 proper documentation, 01:52:31.599 --> 01:52:33.496 public archives, and preserving truly 01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:36.296 significant landmakes like museums and 01:52:36.320 --> 01:52:38.376 public halls. Rather than freezing 01:52:38.400 --> 01:52:40.695 entire residential neighborhoods in 01:52:40.719 --> 01:52:43.575 time, local governments can implement 01:52:43.599 --> 01:52:45.175 voluntary heritage registries with 01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:46.615 financial incentives rather than 01:52:46.639 --> 01:52:48.376 mandatory punitive overlays that 01:52:48.400 --> 01:52:51.256 penalize everyday homeowners. We must 01:52:51.280 --> 01:52:53.016 prioritize the rights, comfort, and 01:52:53.040 --> 01:52:54.615 financial well-being of modern 01:52:54.639 --> 01:52:56.456 homeowners. It's time to empower 01:52:56.480 --> 01:52:57.575 property homeowners. 01:52:57.599 --> 01:52:58.776 Thank you, Councelor Alan. 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.135 Rather than living in the past. Thank 01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:03.016 you. 01:53:03.040 --> 01:53:04.776 Thank you. 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:06.695 We have one counselor left who can speak 01:53:06.719 --> 01:53:08.615 to the motion and I believe his light 01:53:08.639 --> 01:53:10.536 indicates he does wish to. Councelor 01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:11.095 Martin. 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:12.776 Thank you, Mayor. Um firstly, thanks for 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:13.816 everyone for attending the meeting 01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:15.256 tonight. I'm and I'm glad this is the 01:53:15.280 --> 01:53:17.816 first item on the agenda agenda. 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:20.056 please drive safely home in the this wet 01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:22.296 weather. Um like councelor Barker and 01:53:22.320 --> 01:53:23.896 Simpson, I'm sorry people are stressed, 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:25.816 have anxiety and potentially financially 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:27.336 stressed and I will try and deliver a 01:53:27.360 --> 01:53:28.776 balance response here like Andrew 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:30.695 Davenport. So doing what we're here 01:53:30.719 --> 01:53:32.376 doing tonight is to provide clarity for 01:53:32.400 --> 01:53:35.336 people like Leing on in Boxill. Many 01:53:35.360 --> 01:53:36.615 people are buying properties they know 01:53:36.639 --> 01:53:38.695 are old. I want transparency on these 01:53:38.719 --> 01:53:40.615 houses and their status for buyers and 01:53:40.639 --> 01:53:42.936 land owners. Great feedback from Damon 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:45.095 Nash in Boxill. Let's compete the Let's 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:47.655 complete the process. Sarah Ross at 01:53:47.679 --> 01:53:49.416 East Burwood. issues you raised can be 01:53:49.440 --> 01:53:51.416 tested through the process and obviously 01:53:51.440 --> 01:53:52.776 you're getting tested tonight. So I 01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:54.215 don't disagree with most points raised 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:56.135 by residents and councils here tonight. 01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:58.056 It's about considering broader heritage 01:53:58.080 --> 01:53:59.736 protection over broader property uses 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.655 and the effects on people's lives. 01:54:01.679 --> 01:54:03.575 Better planning for our growing city for 01:54:03.599 --> 01:54:06.296 current and future generations. I also 01:54:06.320 --> 01:54:08.056 concur with the point by councelor Grius 01:54:08.080 --> 01:54:10.376 that suggests but suggests that 01:54:10.400 --> 01:54:12.776 those land property owners have an 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:14.456 opportunity for further assessment 01:54:14.480 --> 01:54:16.615 through the process. So Mayor for me 01:54:16.639 --> 01:54:18.376 this is one of the more important most 01:54:18.400 --> 01:54:20.215 important speeches for all of us tonight 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:21.736 because the decisions we make tonight 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:23.655 may impact you know the financial 01:54:23.679 --> 01:54:24.936 security of our residents and the 01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:27.016 character of White Horse. So I spent 01:54:27.040 --> 01:54:29.575 many time much time visiting properties 01:54:29.599 --> 01:54:31.816 in in my area in the ward this week 01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:33.175 listening to the perspective of 01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:34.695 residents. I've spoken with seniors who 01:54:34.719 --> 01:54:36.456 have no superanuation rely on their 01:54:36.480 --> 01:54:38.056 family home as their primary retirement 01:54:38.080 --> 01:54:39.736 asset and I've heard the concerns of 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:41.496 young families who feel blindsided by 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:43.655 pending overlays. These individual 01:54:43.679 --> 01:54:45.736 circumstances are deeply important but 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:47.416 perhaps not sold by us playing the role 01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:49.175 of heritage experts on the floor in this 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:51.336 chamber tonight. During these visits, I 01:54:51.360 --> 01:54:52.936 observed some owners who had improved 01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:54.376 the properties up to modern standards 01:54:54.400 --> 01:54:55.736 and some who had just started the 01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:57.736 process. One property owner was looking 01:54:57.760 --> 01:54:59.496 to go off grid with solar and concerned 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:01.095 the solar system may be an issue with 01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:03.336 the flat roof and heritage. These are 01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:04.695 all valid concerns and could be 01:55:04.719 --> 01:55:06.056 addressed through the process and I will 01:55:06.080 --> 01:55:07.496 make the commitment to support these 01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:09.175 homeowners through the process who are 01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:11.736 who are not on this list tonight. As per 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:13.016 council Simpsons, our core 01:55:13.040 --> 01:55:14.776 responsibility is to facil facilitate a 01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.095 fair and transparent and legal process 01:55:17.119 --> 01:55:19.095 and we do have an obligation as also 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:22.119 highlighted by councelor Gun. Um 01:55:23.280 --> 01:55:24.856 gaps in heritage protection that have 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:26.695 been left unressed for far too long. So 01:55:26.719 --> 01:55:28.376 heritage is not something that ends with 01:55:28.400 --> 01:55:29.896 the meeting tonight. It's an ongoing 01:55:29.920 --> 01:55:31.655 process. So I strongly suggest as a 01:55:31.679 --> 01:55:33.416 council we get our actions, 01:55:33.440 --> 01:55:35.256 communication and process up to a 01:55:35.280 --> 01:55:36.776 standard the community has the right to 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:39.095 expect. For me we are not meeting that 01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:40.615 meeting an appropriate standard. So 01:55:40.639 --> 01:55:41.816 whether that's local or state 01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:43.655 government, let's look at that later. 01:55:43.679 --> 01:55:45.095 Mayor, I want to let the community and 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:46.296 stakeholders here know that by 01:55:46.320 --> 01:55:47.816 supporting the original recommendation 01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:49.575 tonight, we're not we weren't making 01:55:49.599 --> 01:55:51.896 unchangeable financial finan final 01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:53.175 judgment, we were moving to the next 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:54.936 stage of a highly structured statutory 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:57.336 pathway. The next stage allows for 01:55:57.360 --> 01:55:59.336 formal public exhibition and independent 01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:01.416 where every resident concerns could be 01:56:01.440 --> 01:56:03.016 tested in a control well-informed 01:56:03.040 --> 01:56:05.575 environment. This process is for a lay 01:56:05.599 --> 01:56:08.056 person. So to support our residents 01:56:08.080 --> 01:56:09.336 through this, I believe we should also 01:56:09.360 --> 01:56:10.856 offer them access to independent 01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:13.095 heritage advice outside of council's own 01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.175 advisers. I had some great learnings 01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:16.856 from my visit with residents last week 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:18.376 and I and one of these learnings was how 01:56:18.400 --> 01:56:20.695 we can provide greater clarity for such 01:56:20.719 --> 01:56:22.135 communication and whether we should have 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.296 reached out in a more personal way. This 01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:25.655 is something I will consider further 01:56:25.679 --> 01:56:28.679 future engagement. Thank you may 01:56:28.880 --> 01:56:31.256 thank you councelor Martin. Now in order 01:56:31.280 --> 01:56:33.175 to be transparent and it's very very 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:35.736 difficult to read this motion. I'm going 01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:37.736 to read this motion out before the 01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:39.896 councilors vote on it. So, it's a 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:41.896 summary and you can hear which 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:44.615 properties are going to be excluded. 01:56:44.639 --> 01:56:47.639 So, the motion is that council one 01:56:47.679 --> 01:56:50.296 adopts volumes one and two of the draft 01:56:50.320 --> 01:56:53.320 city of White Horse Heritage Review 2024 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:56.840 as shown in attachment one. Two, as 01:56:57.599 --> 01:56:59.655 planning authority, seek or seek 01:56:59.679 --> 01:57:01.175 authorization from the Minister of 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:04.199 Planning, the Minister under SE section 01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:05.736 16F1 01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:07.655 of the Planning and Environment Act 01:57:07.679 --> 01:57:10.679 1987, the act to prepare and exhibit an 01:57:11.360 --> 01:57:13.336 amendment to the White Horse Planning 01:57:13.360 --> 01:57:16.360 Scheme to apply heritage overlay to 42 01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:19.175 individual properties and three of the 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:22.199 precincts cited in volumes one and two 01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:24.936 of the draft city of Whitehorse 01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:27.960 Heritage Review. U 2024. 01:57:28.480 --> 01:57:30.695 This excludes the following places and 01:57:30.719 --> 01:57:33.719 groups. A 20 Norton Grove Blackburn 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:37.175 demolished. 01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:40.199 B. 2 Peter Avenue Blackburn North 01:57:40.639 --> 01:57:42.376 demolished. 01:57:42.400 --> 01:57:45.400 C. 355 to 357 White Horse Road Nawading. 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:51.800 D. 8 Gilmore Street. N sorry 01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:57.000 18. Sorry. Apologies. 01:57:57.520 --> 01:58:00.520 18 Gilmore Street, Burwood. E 27 to 29 01:58:02.480 --> 01:58:04.776 Carrington Court, Burwood East. The 01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:07.800 former Taliho boys village Chapel. 01:58:08.719 --> 01:58:11.719 F. Arana Peace Memorial Home Group 01:58:12.080 --> 01:58:15.080 comprising of 14 to 18, 17 and 27 01:58:16.320 --> 01:58:19.320 Livingston closed Burwood. G. Blue blue 01:58:20.639 --> 01:58:22.936 frame blue flame project group 01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:25.960 comprising of two four six seven and 01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:29.880 eight Shalomar Court 1 2 3 6 7 8 and 01:58:34.080 --> 01:58:37.080 nine of n of Parkley Court and three and 01:58:38.639 --> 01:58:41.639 five forscq court grove Vermont South 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:48.119 H 18 Goodwood Street Blackburn 01:58:48.159 --> 01:58:50.695 demolished and part of the small home 01:58:50.719 --> 01:58:53.719 service houses group. I 7 Ross Street 01:58:55.199 --> 01:58:57.416 Mitchum demolished and part of the small 01:58:57.440 --> 01:59:00.440 home services Houses group. 01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:04.280 J. Two Lexon Road, Box Hill, North 01:59:06.080 --> 01:59:08.215 Demolished and part of the Small Home 01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:11.239 Services Houses Group. K 17-19 Grand 01:59:13.599 --> 01:59:16.599 View Road, Box Hill South. 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:19.960 R L 2 Roberts Avenue, Box Hill South. 01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.056 M 01:59:24.080 --> 01:59:27.080 213 Hibbury Road, Burwood. 01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:30.760 N 7 Street and Court, Mont Albert. 01:59:32.080 --> 01:59:35.080 O 9 Street and Court, Mont Albert. P 5 01:59:37.679 --> 01:59:39.976 Heather Grove, Nanowati. 01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:43.000 Q 8 to 12 Similar Street, Mitchum, or 01:59:44.080 --> 01:59:47.080 the Mitchum Baptist Church. 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:51.000 R 5 Island Street, Burwood. S 2 Kings 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:56.840 Clear Street, Vermont, part of the small 01:59:56.960 --> 01:59:59.960 h home service houses group. 02:00:01.679 --> 02:00:04.679 T 20 26 Len Street, Boxill North, part 02:00:07.040 --> 02:00:10.040 of the small home service houses group. 02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.800 U 62 Owen Street, Mitchum, part of the 02:00:14.639 --> 02:00:17.639 Small Home Service Houses Group. V 5 02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.496 Ronald Street, Boxill North, part of the 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.520 Small Home Service Houses Group. 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.880 W 270 Springfield Road, Nanawading, part 02:00:29.440 --> 02:00:32.440 of the Small Home Services Houses Group. 02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:38.119 X 47 Summers Street, Mitchum, part of 02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:41.880 the Small Home Services Houses Group. 02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:45.880 Y 29 Men and Road, Forest Hill, part of 02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:50.760 the small part of the post World War II 02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:53.336 modernist houses. 02:00:53.360 --> 02:00:56.360 Zed 35 Men and Road Forest Hill, part of 02:00:57.040 --> 02:01:00.040 the post World War II modernist houses. 02:01:01.440 --> 02:01:04.440 Double A 42 Men and Road Forest Hill 02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:07.655 part of the the postwar the sorry part 02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:09.336 of the postworld war II modernist 02:01:09.360 --> 02:01:12.360 houses. Double B 46 Men and Road Forest 02:01:14.080 --> 02:01:16.215 Hill part of the postworld war II 02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:19.239 modernist houses. Double C 39 49 Men and 02:01:21.199 --> 02:01:24.199 Road Forest Hill part of the post World 02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:27.239 War II modernist Houses. Double D 68 02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:31.256 Shady Grove Forest Hill, part of the 02:01:31.280 --> 02:01:34.280 postworld war II modernist houses. 02:01:34.480 --> 02:01:37.480 Double E 68A Shady Grove Forest Hill, 02:01:39.119 --> 02:01:41.496 part of the post World War II modernist 02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:44.520 Houses. Double F 5 Andrew Street Forest 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.296 Hill, part of the PostWorld War II 02:01:48.320 --> 02:01:50.695 modernist houses. 02:01:50.719 --> 02:01:53.719 Double G, 6 Andrew Street, Forest Hill, 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:57.336 part of the PostWorld War II modernist 02:01:57.360 --> 02:02:00.360 Houses. Double H, 9 Andrew Street, 02:02:01.440 --> 02:02:03.816 Forest Hill, part of the PostWorld War 02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:06.840 II modernist Houses. Double I, 16 Andrew 02:02:08.480 --> 02:02:10.456 Street, Forest Hill, part of the 02:02:10.480 --> 02:02:13.336 PostWorld War II modernist Houses. 02:02:13.360 --> 02:02:16.360 Double J, 18, Gilmore Street, Burwood. 02:02:17.760 --> 02:02:20.760 Double K 19 Francesca Street, Mont 02:02:21.440 --> 02:02:24.440 Albert North. Double L 15 Charlotte 02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:27.880 Street, Blackburn South. Double M 132 02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:32.760 Burwood Highway, Burwood East. Double N 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:36.456 15 Elm Street, Blackburn, part of the 02:02:36.480 --> 02:02:39.480 small home services houses. 02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:43.159 O 7 Summer Street, Mitchum. Double P 38 02:02:45.199 --> 02:02:48.199 Adele Street, Vermont. Double Q 19 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.496 Acacia Street, Blackburn, part of the 02:02:51.520 --> 02:02:54.520 Small Home Services Houses. 02:02:55.840 --> 02:02:58.840 Double R 37 Bridgeford Avenue, 02:02:59.360 --> 02:03:01.416 Blackburn, part of the small home 02:03:01.440 --> 02:03:04.440 services houses. Double S4 02:03:05.520 --> 02:03:07.416 Central Road, Nanowading, part of the 02:03:07.440 --> 02:03:10.135 small home service houses. 02:03:10.159 --> 02:03:13.159 T 13 Exxit Street, Blackburn North, part 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:16.760 of the small home services houses. 02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:22.135 W 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:24.936 just thinking about W. Yes. Um 10 02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:26.776 Florence Street, Blackburn, part of the 02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:29.655 Small Home Services Houses. 02:03:29.679 --> 02:03:32.215 V 8 Hamilton Avenue, Blackburn, part of 02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:34.936 the small home service houses. 02:03:34.960 --> 02:03:37.960 WW 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:41.239 um 714 White Horse Road, Mitchum, part 02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:44.376 of the Small Home Services Houses. 02:03:44.400 --> 02:03:47.400 Double X 29 Leonard Street, Burwood, 02:03:47.440 --> 02:03:50.440 Double Y, 26 Saxon Street, Boxill North. 02:03:52.080 --> 02:03:54.536 Point three notes that the threat of 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.016 demolition that should the threat of 02:03:57.040 --> 02:03:59.256 demolition arise in relation to any of 02:03:59.280 --> 02:04:01.336 the places that are subject to the 02:04:01.360 --> 02:04:04.215 recommendation to before the amendment 02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:06.376 to seek permanent heritage overly has 02:04:06.400 --> 02:04:09.400 concluded. that the request to the min 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:11.416 that the request to the Minister of 02:04:11.440 --> 02:04:13.816 Planning to prepare, adopt, and approve 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.840 the amendment pursuant to section 204 of 02:04:17.119 --> 02:04:20.119 the Planning and Environment Act 1987 to 02:04:20.639 --> 02:04:23.575 apply an intimage overlay to that place 02:04:23.599 --> 02:04:25.896 will be subject to a separate report to 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:28.135 the council. 02:04:28.159 --> 02:04:30.056 Four, authorize the director of city 02:04:30.080 --> 02:04:32.215 development or delegate to update the 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:34.296 amendment and supporting documentations 02:04:34.320 --> 02:04:37.016 to meet any conditions of authorization 02:04:37.040 --> 02:04:39.256 from the minister and to make minor 02:04:39.280 --> 02:04:41.496 changes provided these are consistent 02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:43.976 with the attempt intent of the amendment 02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:46.296 prior to submitting the amendment to the 02:04:46.320 --> 02:04:49.320 minister for exhibition. 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:53.896 Mayor, 02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:54.376 thank you. 02:04:54.400 --> 02:04:57.095 I just got a question. 02:04:57.119 --> 02:04:58.456 Mayor, 02:04:58.480 --> 02:04:59.575 I've just got a question. 02:04:59.599 --> 02:05:00.376 Councelor Stennett, 02:05:00.400 --> 02:05:02.056 would you be able to read that again? 02:05:02.080 --> 02:05:05.016 Um, my apologies, Councelor Sten, but my 02:05:05.040 --> 02:05:07.095 voice is going to run out if I read it 02:05:07.119 --> 02:05:09.575 again. Um, I just felt it was important 02:05:09.599 --> 02:05:11.336 for everyone to hear that and have that 02:05:11.360 --> 02:05:13.655 documented clearly on the on the council 02:05:13.679 --> 02:05:15.496 minutes on on the stream, so you can go 02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:17.896 back and have a look at it. I will now 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:19.496 put the motion. Please keep your hands 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:21.416 in the air so I can call your names. And 02:05:21.440 --> 02:05:24.376 all those in favor, 02:05:24.400 --> 02:05:26.456 I'm going to call this councelor Allan, 02:05:26.480 --> 02:05:29.095 councelor Griffiths, councelor 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.175 Gun, Councelor Davenport, Councelor 02:05:31.199 --> 02:05:33.016 Simpson, Councelor Langford, Councelor 02:05:33.040 --> 02:05:35.736 Barker, Councelor Stennett, Councelor 02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:38.135 Cuts, and Councelor Martin. The motion 02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:41.159 is moved unanimously. 02:05:49.599 --> 02:05:51.416 I would like to thank everyone who's 02:05:51.440 --> 02:05:53.416 attended in the gallery this evening. 02:05:53.440 --> 02:05:55.256 It's been a very full house and it's 02:05:55.280 --> 02:05:57.336 delighted to see so many people are 02:05:57.360 --> 02:05:59.416 interested in our community and outcomes 02:05:59.440 --> 02:06:01.655 for our community here at White Horse. 02:06:01.679 --> 02:06:03.016 We're now going to have a 10-minute 02:06:03.040 --> 02:06:05.336 break and we'll be back at 9:15. You are 02:06:05.360 --> 02:06:07.016 very welcome to stay and listen, but I 02:06:07.040 --> 02:06:10.040 understand if you wish to go. 02:06:10.719 --> 02:06:13.719 Okay. Item 10. Yes. question marker. 02:06:15.040 --> 02:06:15.896 Council Barker, 02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:18.920 question for officers about the um 10.2 02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:20.376 that you're about to announce, Mayor. 02:06:20.400 --> 02:06:22.056 Yes, but I would like to finish 02:06:22.080 --> 02:06:23.736 announcing the item first. Thank you, 02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:24.296 councelor Barker. 02:06:24.320 --> 02:06:25.416 Oh, sorry, ma'am. I thought I could 02:06:25.440 --> 02:06:28.440 answer ask a question at stage meeting. 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:31.095 Item 10.2, 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:33.016 open space strategy and implementation 02:06:33.040 --> 02:06:34.055 update. 02:06:34.079 --> 02:06:34.776 Mayor, 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:35.416 yes, 02:06:35.440 --> 02:06:37.896 I have a question and an alternative. 02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:39.095 Thank you, Mayor. My question for 02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:41.896 officers is the charter correct Kramer 02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:44.615 housing supply market advice discusses 02:06:44.639 --> 02:06:46.936 the impact on supply due to costs 02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:49.960 imposed on developers and new owners. 02:06:50.320 --> 02:06:52.055 Why has there been no discussion in the 02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:55.016 open space policy advice of the impacts 02:06:55.040 --> 02:06:58.040 on housing supply and affordability? 02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:01.816 Um Mr. Green, could you please respond 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:04.055 to that question 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:07.079 or Miss Leic, whichever you prefer. 02:07:08.880 --> 02:07:10.776 so through through you may the main 02:07:10.800 --> 02:07:13.095 objective of the open space strategy is 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:15.896 to create open space and improve open 02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:17.896 space for future generations of white 02:07:17.920 --> 02:07:20.536 horse and that wasn't really an 02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:23.095 objective or part of the scope to to 02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:25.256 strictly speaking look at impacts it may 02:07:25.280 --> 02:07:27.256 have on housing supplies more about open 02:07:27.280 --> 02:07:28.776 open space supply. 02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:31.256 Thank you Mr. Green. 02:07:31.280 --> 02:07:32.215 Sorry 02:07:32.239 --> 02:07:34.695 excuse me councelor Barker please let me 02:07:34.719 --> 02:07:37.655 finish speaking. We'll now go on um to 02:07:37.679 --> 02:07:39.256 have a can I can I have a counselor and 02:07:39.280 --> 02:07:40.135 move the item? 02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:41.816 May I have an alternate? 02:07:41.840 --> 02:07:42.695 Councelor Barker. 02:07:42.719 --> 02:07:44.215 Thank you, Mayor. I have an alternate. 02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:45.896 Um could you please put that alternate 02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:48.055 on the screen? Could you explain the 02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:48.856 alternate quickly? 02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:51.016 Yeah, that we abandon the strategy. 02:07:51.040 --> 02:07:52.776 Thank you, councelor Barker. Does anyone 02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:54.135 second that motion? 02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:55.736 Yeah, of course I will. May 02:07:55.760 --> 02:07:58.376 council Davenport. Councelor Barker. 02:07:58.400 --> 02:08:00.936 Thanks, Mayor. my ward, the Elgaw Ward 02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:03.736 north of Belmore Roads neighborhood um 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:06.376 garden residential bush suburban limited 02:08:06.400 --> 02:08:09.016 change area. Large swades of my ward are 02:08:09.040 --> 02:08:10.856 general residential natural change and 02:08:10.880 --> 02:08:13.175 indeed some parts of it are activity 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.199 center. I know open space is crucial and 02:08:16.320 --> 02:08:18.456 by the end of this year nearly 60,000 02:08:18.480 --> 02:08:20.856 square meters of open space will have 02:08:20.880 --> 02:08:23.575 been opened in that area and the ward 02:08:23.599 --> 02:08:25.655 has led the city with innovation in 02:08:25.679 --> 02:08:27.736 lighting and unlocking 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.135 restricted space. 02:08:30.159 --> 02:08:32.695 The entire open space policy is fatally 02:08:32.719 --> 02:08:34.936 flawed and broken beyond repair for two 02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:36.695 reasons. 02:08:36.719 --> 02:08:39.175 One, it was developed without giving any 02:08:39.199 --> 02:08:41.256 consideration to the broader strategic 02:08:41.280 --> 02:08:44.280 policy settings or objectives that need 02:08:44.719 --> 02:08:46.695 balancing. 02:08:46.719 --> 02:08:48.536 We have evidence that this setting will 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:50.296 further [ __ ] housing supply, 02:08:50.320 --> 02:08:52.376 particularly in Boxill. 02:08:52.400 --> 02:08:54.856 There is not one crane in Boxill at the 02:08:54.880 --> 02:08:57.880 moment. The developers have deserted us 02:08:57.920 --> 02:09:00.615 and this will ensure they never return. 02:09:00.639 --> 02:09:02.456 We know that housing is a national 02:09:02.480 --> 02:09:04.376 crisis. When I joined council, I think 02:09:04.400 --> 02:09:07.016 we approved 1,600 apartments a year. 02:09:07.040 --> 02:09:09.896 We're now approving about 130. 02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:12.615 Developing a policy and presenting it 02:09:12.639 --> 02:09:14.936 without considering its broader impact 02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:17.960 isn't just absurd, it's embarrassing. 02:09:19.440 --> 02:09:21.736 And frankly, the jig was up when I asked 02:09:21.760 --> 02:09:23.816 the question to the consultants why none 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:25.416 of the innovative and cost-effective 02:09:25.440 --> 02:09:27.095 strategies were been rolling out were 02:09:27.119 --> 02:09:29.496 not included. And it just seemed to be a 02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:31.416 list of the most expensive 02:09:31.440 --> 02:09:33.896 interventions. The answer, oh, we're 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:36.536 building the case for the highest rate. 02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:38.135 Frankly, that is an undergraduate. It's 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:40.215 a poorly and it's no way to approach a 02:09:40.239 --> 02:09:41.816 policy. 02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:44.840 Secondly, the program lacks equitable 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:47.896 outcomes and face validity. The way this 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.135 is constructed effectively enables the 02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:52.615 taxing of the poorest to benefit the 02:09:52.639 --> 02:09:54.936 wealthiest. And this does not sit well 02:09:54.960 --> 02:09:57.960 with me. Now, money, like water in a 02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:00.776 creek, flows along the path of least 02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:03.175 resistance. And of course, open space in 02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.896 Boxill and Burwood are difficult. Land 02:10:05.920 --> 02:10:08.536 values are high and the area that has 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:11.336 developed or delivered the overwhelming 02:10:11.360 --> 02:10:14.360 majority of the $70 million in this fund 02:10:14.400 --> 02:10:16.536 are not prioritized. 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:19.095 There's no better proof. Where was the 02:10:19.119 --> 02:10:21.336 last multi-million dollar acquisition? 02:10:21.360 --> 02:10:24.360 Monet. Now, it was not without merit. In 02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:27.416 fact, it's pretty good. But one of the 02:10:27.440 --> 02:10:30.440 wealthiest areas in that block has 02:10:30.639 --> 02:10:33.256 delivered zero open space funds and has 02:10:33.280 --> 02:10:34.936 many residents with an abundance of 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:37.095 private open space. 02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.095 Now, that hardly seems fair for someone 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:41.736 living in an apartment with three square 02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:44.456 meters of balcony knowing they're paying 02:10:44.480 --> 02:10:46.456 off an open space contribution in their 02:10:46.480 --> 02:10:49.480 mortgage or their rent each week. 02:10:51.280 --> 02:10:53.256 I have no issue with suspending the open 02:10:53.280 --> 02:10:56.280 space reserve over the entire city, but 02:10:56.400 --> 02:10:58.376 there needs to be recognition of the 02:10:58.400 --> 02:11:00.936 most densely populated areas as a 02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:03.960 priority and a form of protection that 02:11:04.480 --> 02:11:06.296 prioritizes those areas that have 02:11:06.320 --> 02:11:09.320 developed delivered us the 70 $70 02:11:09.599 --> 02:11:11.736 million. 02:11:11.760 --> 02:11:14.760 Abandoning this does not stop open space 02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:16.376 contributions 02:11:16.400 --> 02:11:18.536 and we can take important lessons from 02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:21.560 the work done to inform a fair, 02:11:22.079 --> 02:11:24.135 equitable, effective and defensible 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:27.159 policy in the future. Councilors, this 02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:30.840 policy is flawed. Its execution plan is 02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:34.776 also fatally flawed. 02:11:34.800 --> 02:11:37.095 I find it incomprehensible 02:11:37.119 --> 02:11:40.119 that we could push a policy that will 02:11:40.560 --> 02:11:43.560 have such detrimental impacts on housing 02:11:44.639 --> 02:11:47.416 supply and affordability. 02:11:47.440 --> 02:11:50.440 That evidence has been presented to us 02:11:50.560 --> 02:11:53.560 is nonpartisan. CKC have no dog in this 02:11:53.840 --> 02:11:55.496 fight. 02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:57.336 We are better than this. If we want to 02:11:57.360 --> 02:12:00.360 be a great council, our policy settings 02:12:00.480 --> 02:12:03.095 need to be great because the way this is 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:05.655 set up at the moment, we are taxing the 02:12:05.679 --> 02:12:08.615 poorest to benefit the wealthiest. That 02:12:08.639 --> 02:12:11.639 is not fair and we haven't effectively 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:17.079 pursued a model of policy development. 02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:20.055 It's a hot mess. Please support it, 02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:22.776 counselors. 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:24.456 Thank you, Council Barker. Councelor 02:12:24.480 --> 02:12:27.175 Davenport. thank you Mayor and 02:12:27.199 --> 02:12:30.199 since the white horse open space 02:12:30.320 --> 02:12:33.320 strategy had come to council have had an 02:12:33.360 --> 02:12:35.896 opportunity to reflect on number of 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:38.615 points that council Barker has made. I 02:12:38.639 --> 02:12:40.856 too am concerned about the proposed 02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:43.880 change from a 4% minimum open space 02:12:44.239 --> 02:12:46.695 contribution rate which is currently in 02:12:46.719 --> 02:12:49.719 place to a proposed 7.2% 2% 02:12:50.480 --> 02:12:52.776 municipalwide rate and then an even 02:12:52.800 --> 02:12:55.800 higher 10.7 rate for Boxill. Now, 02:12:56.480 --> 02:12:59.480 Councelor Barker has outlined the um 02:12:59.920 --> 02:13:02.920 impacts on housing affordability 02:13:02.960 --> 02:13:05.960 and then we go and add additional amount 02:13:06.159 --> 02:13:09.159 of hurt for new developments um 02:13:11.360 --> 02:13:14.135 within the city of White Horse. And even 02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:17.159 the mum and dad in um um u person 02:13:19.599 --> 02:13:21.496 that goes to try and divide their land 02:13:21.520 --> 02:13:24.055 into three in from a bigger block be 02:13:24.079 --> 02:13:27.079 subject to 7.2% for open space plus 02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:31.256 the the um infrastructure contribution 02:13:31.280 --> 02:13:33.416 levy or the developer contribution levy 02:13:33.440 --> 02:13:36.376 as well in addition to the open space 02:13:36.400 --> 02:13:38.456 strategy. The way that we tax our 02:13:38.480 --> 02:13:41.016 properties and levy these fees and 02:13:41.040 --> 02:13:42.695 charges needs to be carefully 02:13:42.719 --> 02:13:44.695 considered. 02:13:44.719 --> 02:13:46.615 And in my ward in particular, I know 02:13:46.639 --> 02:13:48.615 that there are a number of sites that 02:13:48.639 --> 02:13:51.016 are reg mentioned in the open space 02:13:51.040 --> 02:13:54.040 strategy that I think need to be 02:13:54.400 --> 02:13:56.695 carefully considered. And I don't think 02:13:56.719 --> 02:13:59.719 we need to have $70 million sitting in 02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:02.760 our bank account growing even further. 02:14:03.280 --> 02:14:06.280 We need to be focused on our open space 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:10.119 perhaps perhaps delivering on the 02:14:10.159 --> 02:14:13.159 strategy from 2015 where a number of 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:15.976 actions haven't yet been realized before 02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:19.000 undertaking additional actions now. 02:14:19.679 --> 02:14:22.536 Councilors, I think what councelor 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:24.376 Barker has mentioned with regards to 02:14:24.400 --> 02:14:27.095 housing affordability is one where we 02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:30.119 should stop and pause and think about 02:14:30.159 --> 02:14:32.055 what we're doing with our city and 02:14:32.079 --> 02:14:35.079 housing affordability in general 02:14:35.360 --> 02:14:38.360 and therefore abandon the strategy as 02:14:38.639 --> 02:14:41.639 adopted at at this point in time. You 02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:45.016 still have the 2015 where we've we've 02:14:45.040 --> 02:14:46.776 got a number of sites already 02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:49.655 identified. take a breather while we see 02:14:49.679 --> 02:14:52.679 what happens with the market generally 02:14:52.960 --> 02:14:55.416 and then if the market cools and there's 02:14:55.440 --> 02:14:58.440 housing supply being reestablished then 02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:01.896 re perhaps at that point in time 02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:04.920 reconsider the white horse open open um 02:15:06.159 --> 02:15:07.896 space strategy is adopted then 02:15:07.920 --> 02:15:09.575 councilors I urge your support for the 02:15:09.599 --> 02:15:12.055 motion thank you 02:15:12.079 --> 02:15:13.496 thank you councelor Davenport would 02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:16.376 anyone like to speak to the motion 02:15:16.400 --> 02:15:17.336 yes may 02:15:17.360 --> 02:15:20.360 councelor the Simpson. 02:15:20.400 --> 02:15:22.215 Those who do not learn from history are 02:15:22.239 --> 02:15:24.776 doomed to repeat it. 02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:27.175 And I was reminded of that quote when I 02:15:27.199 --> 02:15:29.736 was watching testimony before yet again 02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:32.615 another housing affordability Senate 02:15:32.639 --> 02:15:35.639 inquiry where one of the participants 02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:38.776 was asked, you know, why why is housing 02:15:38.800 --> 02:15:41.336 not becoming more affordable? And his 02:15:41.360 --> 02:15:44.360 answer was because you referring to the 02:15:44.960 --> 02:15:47.095 government always set the terms of 02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:48.695 reference in terms of supply. You don't 02:15:48.719 --> 02:15:51.719 consider a holistic solution. 02:15:52.400 --> 02:15:55.400 And so I applaud the CKC report for the 02:15:57.199 --> 02:16:00.135 information it gave us, but it's limited 02:16:00.159 --> 02:16:02.615 because the question we asked of it was 02:16:02.639 --> 02:16:04.936 limited. And this goes back councilors 02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:06.776 to the very first council meeting we had 02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:08.215 in this term of council because that's 02:16:08.239 --> 02:16:10.456 when councelor Barker's motion was first 02:16:10.480 --> 02:16:12.055 moved. 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:13.736 And so by deliberately limiting the 02:16:13.760 --> 02:16:15.416 scope, we deliberately limited the 02:16:15.440 --> 02:16:17.736 answer. And yet that is somehow held up 02:16:17.760 --> 02:16:20.615 as the authoritative source about what 02:16:20.639 --> 02:16:22.936 is stifling housing affordability in 02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:25.175 this country and in this city. And I 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:27.336 don't accept that. There is a plethora 02:16:27.360 --> 02:16:30.360 of evidence. There is supply and demand. 02:16:31.760 --> 02:16:34.136 That demand can be taxation settings. 02:16:34.160 --> 02:16:35.976 That demand can be the rate of 02:16:36.000 --> 02:16:37.816 population growth. It can be a variety 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:40.295 of factors. But it's not just about 02:16:40.319 --> 02:16:42.856 supply. It's about demand. And the 02:16:42.880 --> 02:16:44.455 report before us councilors with the 02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:45.896 open space actually acknowledges that. 02:16:45.920 --> 02:16:47.096 And I'm actually grateful that the 02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:48.216 officers are actually finally starting 02:16:48.240 --> 02:16:50.535 to engage with this issue 02:16:50.559 --> 02:16:51.976 because the amount of open space in this 02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:54.615 city is shrinking as per person. And 02:16:54.639 --> 02:16:56.535 that is a simple mathematical formula. 02:16:56.559 --> 02:16:58.136 It is the amount of land we have divided 02:16:58.160 --> 02:17:00.216 by the amount of people. 02:17:00.240 --> 02:17:01.896 And so there's only two ways to solve 02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:03.896 this mathematical problem. We either got 02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:05.816 to increase the amount of land or we 02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:07.575 have to decrease the rate of population 02:17:07.599 --> 02:17:09.335 growth in the city. Now, of course, we 02:17:09.359 --> 02:17:11.495 don't have control over the denominator, 02:17:11.519 --> 02:17:14.136 but we do have some control over the 02:17:14.160 --> 02:17:16.375 numerator. But the only way we can do 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:18.856 that is by purchasing land. And the 02:17:18.880 --> 02:17:20.136 question then becomes, well, how do we 02:17:20.160 --> 02:17:23.160 pay for that? And so whilst I do 02:17:23.200 --> 02:17:26.200 genuinely agree with councelor Bakra 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:29.096 that we need to solve the issue of 02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:31.335 housing affordability in this city and I 02:17:31.359 --> 02:17:32.776 do believe that he brought this motion 02:17:32.800 --> 02:17:35.335 to us in good faith. 02:17:35.359 --> 02:17:37.176 I cannot agree with the abandonment of 02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:39.816 this strategy because what comes next? 02:17:39.840 --> 02:17:41.816 How do we provide for open space for 02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:43.976 people in this city? We have a 02:17:44.000 --> 02:17:46.695 mathematical problem before us and I'm 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:49.256 an engineer. I solve problems and I do 02:17:49.280 --> 02:17:52.280 it on evidencebased policym. 02:17:53.280 --> 02:17:56.280 The open space strategy I said this when 02:17:56.719 --> 02:17:58.776 we adopted it. It is flawed. I agree 02:17:58.800 --> 02:18:01.256 with councelor Barker's comments but 02:18:01.280 --> 02:18:03.575 nothing better yet has been proposed and 02:18:03.599 --> 02:18:05.495 until it does councilors would be 02:18:05.519 --> 02:18:07.415 irresponsible of us to abandon the one 02:18:07.439 --> 02:18:10.056 we have. Please do not support this 02:18:10.080 --> 02:18:12.216 motion 02:18:12.240 --> 02:18:14.615 and um if no one else foreshadows moving 02:18:14.639 --> 02:18:17.639 this substantive I will. 02:18:18.160 --> 02:18:20.056 Thank you councelor Simpson. Would 02:18:20.080 --> 02:18:21.736 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 02:18:21.760 --> 02:18:24.760 yes Mayor. Should this alternate not 02:18:25.599 --> 02:18:28.136 succeed? I foreshadow to move the 02:18:28.160 --> 02:18:29.816 substantive motion. 02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:31.655 Thank you councelor Weller. Would anyone 02:18:31.679 --> 02:18:33.495 else like to speak to the motion? 02:18:33.519 --> 02:18:35.256 yes Mayor. 02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:36.695 Thank you councelor cuts. 02:18:36.719 --> 02:18:39.495 Thank you. Um so the proposed public 02:18:39.519 --> 02:18:42.455 open space contribution rate which is 02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:44.455 forms part of this and which is part of 02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:47.016 the issue that councelor Barker talked 02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:48.856 about. So the proposed contribution rate 02:18:48.880 --> 02:18:51.880 in boxill is 10.7% and the rest of um 02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:55.479 white horse is 7.2%. So that's um part 02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:59.415 of what the issue is. What what we also 02:18:59.439 --> 02:19:01.495 understand and this is important to note 02:19:01.519 --> 02:19:03.096 that it'll be subject to a planning 02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:05.335 scheme amendment process which includes 02:19:05.359 --> 02:19:07.096 an independent review through a planning 02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:09.415 panel and this provides an important 02:19:09.439 --> 02:19:11.655 check and balance before any new rate is 02:19:11.679 --> 02:19:13.816 ultimately approved and through this 02:19:13.840 --> 02:19:15.495 process the panel consider whether the 02:19:15.519 --> 02:19:18.216 proposed rate is strategically justified 02:19:18.240 --> 02:19:19.896 whether the methodology and evidence 02:19:19.920 --> 02:19:22.056 base is sound and whether issues raised 02:19:22.080 --> 02:19:24.056 in submissions including development 02:19:24.080 --> 02:19:26.615 feasibility, economic impacts or 02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:28.936 concerns about unintended outcomes such 02:19:28.960 --> 02:19:31.415 as investment shifting to surrounding 02:19:31.439 --> 02:19:33.896 areas. The donut effect have been 02:19:33.920 --> 02:19:35.655 appropriately considered. The amendment 02:19:35.679 --> 02:19:37.176 is exhibited publicly, therefore 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:38.936 allowing developers, land owners, 02:19:38.960 --> 02:19:40.375 residents, industry groups, and 02:19:40.399 --> 02:19:42.455 government agencies to provide feedback 02:19:42.479 --> 02:19:44.136 which is considered as part of this 02:19:44.160 --> 02:19:46.295 process. The panel will then make its 02:19:46.319 --> 02:19:48.936 recommendations to council and council 02:19:48.960 --> 02:19:51.415 will decide whether to adopt, change, or 02:19:51.439 --> 02:19:52.936 abandon the amendment before it is 02:19:52.960 --> 02:19:54.375 submitted to the minister for planning 02:19:54.399 --> 02:19:57.016 for final approval. So it's important to 02:19:57.040 --> 02:19:58.455 note that the final rate is not 02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:00.136 determined by council alone. It is 02:20:00.160 --> 02:20:02.056 tested through an independent statue 02:20:02.080 --> 02:20:04.216 process before it can be submitted for 02:20:04.240 --> 02:20:07.240 approval. So to abandon this would to be 02:20:07.920 --> 02:20:10.455 abandon hours and hours and hours of 02:20:10.479 --> 02:20:13.016 work. It is something I will not um 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.096 agree to and I will be voting against 02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:16.536 this. Thanks May. 02:20:16.560 --> 02:20:17.976 Thank you councelor Carts. Would anyone 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:20.776 else like to speak to the motion? 02:20:20.800 --> 02:20:22.136 Councelor Griffiths. 02:20:22.160 --> 02:20:24.455 I'm open to considering this Mayor. 02:20:24.479 --> 02:20:26.375 I've been asked a few times whether I 02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:29.399 still stand by my past voting record 02:20:30.560 --> 02:20:32.856 on council. I think with a different 02:20:32.880 --> 02:20:35.656 agenda to this topic. but this is one 02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:37.816 that is near the top of my list along 02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:39.335 with our approach to community 02:20:39.359 --> 02:20:41.256 consultation. 02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:43.256 Um 02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:45.496 I'm aware that we have around 70 million 02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:48.216 or slightly less in our open space fund 02:20:48.240 --> 02:20:50.375 and that was recently topped up by 02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:53.256 interest payments of equal or lesser 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:56.280 value than other contributions. So the 02:20:56.479 --> 02:20:59.479 system's not working very well. Um 02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:04.136 and one of the reasons 02:21:04.160 --> 02:21:06.776 for that um 02:21:06.800 --> 02:21:09.800 sorry if we move to the 10% rate that's 02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:11.656 not going to fix the problem. We need to 02:21:11.680 --> 02:21:14.455 drive investment into the city. If we 02:21:14.479 --> 02:21:17.256 increase to the 10% rate then it's like 02:21:17.280 --> 02:21:20.216 fighting for 100% of nothing or 50% of 02:21:20.240 --> 02:21:21.816 something. That's that's how I think of 02:21:21.840 --> 02:21:24.616 this analogy. Um, so I'm seriously 02:21:24.640 --> 02:21:27.640 considering pursuing the continuing 02:21:28.080 --> 02:21:31.080 with the 4% contribution for the 02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:34.136 for the foreseeable near future and 02:21:34.160 --> 02:21:36.616 reconsidering this at a later date. With 02:21:36.640 --> 02:21:39.256 the open space strategy, it the analysis 02:21:39.280 --> 02:21:41.496 and the approach taken focused on gap 02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:43.976 analysis. Are there any little gaps in 02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:45.335 the city where we can put a little 02:21:45.359 --> 02:21:48.359 pocket park? I've been questioning and 02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:50.056 reflecting on whether that's the best 02:21:50.080 --> 02:21:51.736 approach and I keep thinking of 02:21:51.760 --> 02:21:54.375 Manhattan in New York where big parks 02:21:54.399 --> 02:21:57.256 are more valuable. I think about the 02:21:57.280 --> 02:22:00.136 Boxhill brick works. 02:22:00.160 --> 02:22:02.136 Compare that the value of something like 02:22:02.160 --> 02:22:03.976 that to all these little pocket parks 02:22:04.000 --> 02:22:06.295 where we buy up one or two properties 02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:09.319 side by side across the city. Um and 02:22:09.439 --> 02:22:11.176 that's what this strategy focuses on 02:22:11.200 --> 02:22:13.496 really. It's filling in gaps for 02:22:13.520 --> 02:22:16.295 little parks in suburbs. 02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:19.016 So, I do question the analogy, um, 02:22:19.040 --> 02:22:21.656 question the approach. 02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:23.415 When this originally came, I was 02:22:23.439 --> 02:22:25.496 pragmatic and put a lot of amendments in 02:22:25.520 --> 02:22:26.936 cuz I didn't think it would have enough 02:22:26.960 --> 02:22:29.960 support. Um, not choosing to do that 02:22:30.479 --> 02:22:33.415 here today, but I think councelor Bark 02:22:33.439 --> 02:22:35.736 has a great point. No cranes in Box 02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:37.576 Hill. What are the levers that we can 02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:40.600 pull as a council? Acknowledging that a 02:22:40.720 --> 02:22:42.375 lot of taxes come from the state 02:22:42.399 --> 02:22:43.976 government. 02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:46.536 this is one small step that we could 02:22:46.560 --> 02:22:48.936 potentially do to to contribute to that 02:22:48.960 --> 02:22:50.696 because the current system isn't working 02:22:50.720 --> 02:22:53.176 well. 02:22:53.200 --> 02:22:54.616 Thank you, Council Griffiths. Would 02:22:54.640 --> 02:22:56.375 anyone else like to speak to this 02:22:56.399 --> 02:22:56.936 motion? 02:22:56.960 --> 02:22:58.216 Yes, ma'am. 02:22:58.240 --> 02:22:59.176 Council Stennett. 02:22:59.200 --> 02:23:01.496 Um thank you, Mayor. L less than a year 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:03.976 ago, council adopted strategy after 02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:05.816 extensive work and community 02:23:05.840 --> 02:23:07.736 consultation, careful consideration of 02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:10.375 the chAllanges facing our city to set 02:23:10.399 --> 02:23:12.056 a long-term framework to guide how we 02:23:12.080 --> 02:23:13.656 plan and protect and enhance our parks, 02:23:13.680 --> 02:23:15.335 reserves, and open spaces for future 02:23:15.359 --> 02:23:18.359 generations. Um, no strategy is perfect 02:23:18.560 --> 02:23:20.455 and it's right that we review and refine 02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:22.936 them over time. But as the saying goes, 02:23:22.960 --> 02:23:25.576 perfection is the enemy of good. The p 02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:27.415 pursuit of perfection should not come at 02:23:27.439 --> 02:23:29.016 the cost of abandoning a sound 02:23:29.040 --> 02:23:31.576 evidence-based framework. Abandoning a 02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:33.656 strategy entirely is a major step 02:23:33.680 --> 02:23:35.415 creates uncertainty for our community, 02:23:35.439 --> 02:23:38.136 sporting clubs, residents, and those 02:23:38.160 --> 02:23:40.536 responsible for planning and delivery. 02:23:40.560 --> 02:23:42.455 Open space is one of our most valued 02:23:42.479 --> 02:23:44.936 community assets. As our city grows, we 02:23:44.960 --> 02:23:47.415 need clear, consistent direction, not 02:23:47.439 --> 02:23:50.216 peace meal decision- making. If there's 02:23:50.240 --> 02:23:52.216 issues to address, let's review and 02:23:52.240 --> 02:23:54.776 improve the strategy. But discarding it 02:23:54.800 --> 02:23:56.536 altogether risks wasting significant 02:23:56.560 --> 02:23:58.616 work and sends the wrong message about 02:23:58.640 --> 02:24:00.856 how we govern. Good governance is about 02:24:00.880 --> 02:24:02.616 improving policy, not abandoning 02:24:02.640 --> 02:24:04.856 direction. For those reasons, I cannot 02:24:04.880 --> 02:24:07.096 support this motion and encourage 02:24:07.120 --> 02:24:09.896 councilors to vote against it. 02:24:09.920 --> 02:24:11.335 Thank you, councelor Sten. Would anyone 02:24:11.359 --> 02:24:14.136 else like to speak to this motion? 02:24:14.160 --> 02:24:15.016 I'll just talk briefly. 02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:15.976 Councelor Martin Lton. 02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:18.375 Um, look, I concur with councelor 02:24:18.399 --> 02:24:20.856 Barker. Like I I think affordability um 02:24:20.880 --> 02:24:23.880 is a big issue, but I I I just I just 02:24:24.000 --> 02:24:25.576 get a bit annoyed when we keep blaming 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.656 the open space. I think like there's the 02:24:27.680 --> 02:24:29.096 other factors at play are the cost to 02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:30.856 construction. We know the other states. 02:24:30.880 --> 02:24:33.335 So why are we taking the full force of 02:24:33.359 --> 02:24:36.136 the blame for this problem? Um I'd say 02:24:36.160 --> 02:24:38.375 there's no cranes in Danny Nong as 02:24:38.399 --> 02:24:41.176 well like other parts of Melbourne. So 02:24:41.200 --> 02:24:44.136 um I just don't understand how council 02:24:44.160 --> 02:24:45.736 be can responsible for the cost of 02:24:45.760 --> 02:24:47.256 building. So we're generally aligned 02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:50.280 with other council um with our with our 02:24:50.479 --> 02:24:52.856 contribution rates and the question is 02:24:52.880 --> 02:24:54.056 how are we going to fund the increased 02:24:54.080 --> 02:24:56.216 open space we we know we're growing we 02:24:56.240 --> 02:24:58.936 know we got densification you know we 02:24:58.960 --> 02:25:01.656 need to fund it so um if we and we go to 02:25:01.680 --> 02:25:04.295 the Surrey Hills example which is which 02:25:04.319 --> 02:25:06.136 is a good one is that obviously they 02:25:06.160 --> 02:25:07.816 lost a lot of open space when the level 02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:10.375 crossing remove went through so that for 02:25:10.399 --> 02:25:12.616 me makes sense but I do understand also 02:25:12.640 --> 02:25:14.696 councelor Barker's argument where so as 02:25:14.720 --> 02:25:17.096 an example a develop veler in Blackburn 02:25:17.120 --> 02:25:18.936 might split up a block and pay open 02:25:18.960 --> 02:25:20.295 space contribution where they've got 02:25:20.319 --> 02:25:22.295 heaps of open space around them and that 02:25:22.319 --> 02:25:23.656 amount of money is going to go somewhere 02:25:23.680 --> 02:25:25.896 else. So there is that equity equitable 02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:27.816 argument. So I do come understand some 02:25:27.840 --> 02:25:29.816 of the arguments of councelor Bark has 02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:32.375 you know it's a difficult um it's a 02:25:32.399 --> 02:25:34.056 difficult topic but I think abandonment 02:25:34.080 --> 02:25:36.295 is too much as per council standard. I 02:25:36.319 --> 02:25:37.896 look if we've got to make changes a long 02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:40.920 way let's do it. Um and also with the 02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:43.976 fund amount as well. Um just because 02:25:44.000 --> 02:25:45.335 we've got the money in there doesn't 02:25:45.359 --> 02:25:46.776 mean we have to spend it. You know, 02:25:46.800 --> 02:25:49.016 let's let's pick three properties per 02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:50.856 year. We we should be making sure 02:25:50.880 --> 02:25:53.880 they're strategic and um sometimes 02:25:54.160 --> 02:25:55.976 saving up for the big spends like 02:25:56.000 --> 02:25:57.576 potentially the Boxill brick works. Like 02:25:57.600 --> 02:25:59.176 some of these going to be big and some 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.896 of these going to be small. Um but let's 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:03.576 work with let's let's work with the 02:26:03.600 --> 02:26:05.415 framework. Let's not throw out all that 02:26:05.439 --> 02:26:08.216 work that we've done. I think abandoning 02:26:08.240 --> 02:26:11.176 is just too is too much. So, let's let's 02:26:11.200 --> 02:26:13.976 work with what we've got. Um, noting the 02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:15.896 chAllanges in, you know, like at the 02:26:15.920 --> 02:26:17.496 moment we're not, but I don't think 02:26:17.520 --> 02:26:19.176 council's responsible for the lack of 02:26:19.200 --> 02:26:21.415 cranes in Boxill because of the open 02:26:21.439 --> 02:26:22.856 space levy. I think that's just an 02:26:22.880 --> 02:26:24.936 unfair statement. It's part of a broader 02:26:24.960 --> 02:26:27.960 picture. Um, and I will be making some 02:26:28.880 --> 02:26:30.616 more comments should this go down. Thank 02:26:30.640 --> 02:26:32.295 you, ma'am. 02:26:32.319 --> 02:26:33.816 Thank you, councelor Martin. Would 02:26:33.840 --> 02:26:35.016 anyone else like to speak to this 02:26:35.040 --> 02:26:35.415 motion? 02:26:35.439 --> 02:26:37.335 Yes, please, ma'am. Councelor Gun. 02:26:37.359 --> 02:26:39.496 Um, thank you. Firstly, I want to um 02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:41.096 acknowledge that I think a lot of the 02:26:41.120 --> 02:26:42.375 points have already been raised this 02:26:42.399 --> 02:26:45.176 evening. , in terms of the abandonment 02:26:45.200 --> 02:26:48.200 suggestion, , however, it is important 02:26:48.399 --> 02:26:51.399 to consider that we didn't have all the 02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:53.656 information when we put this together. 02:26:53.680 --> 02:26:55.576 We knew that we were waiting on SRL. We 02:26:55.600 --> 02:26:56.616 knew that we were waiting on the 02:26:56.640 --> 02:26:59.096 activities program. And that's left a 02:26:59.120 --> 02:27:01.176 lot of holes in this open space strategy 02:27:01.200 --> 02:27:03.256 that are not going to be filled by us 02:27:03.280 --> 02:27:04.776 trying to make adjustments along the 02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:07.176 way. There were a lot of gaping holes in 02:27:07.200 --> 02:27:08.616 the strategy that put forward that was 02:27:08.640 --> 02:27:10.776 put forward. Not because of any 02:27:10.800 --> 02:27:12.776 oversightes from Iris who did an 02:27:12.800 --> 02:27:14.295 astounding amount of work. It's because 02:27:14.319 --> 02:27:15.896 of the timeline by which we put this 02:27:15.920 --> 02:27:18.920 together. Um the the timeline by which 02:27:19.120 --> 02:27:20.536 we put this together is that we wanted 02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:23.016 it move forward. we wanted something 02:27:23.040 --> 02:27:24.696 in place because the previous one was 02:27:24.720 --> 02:27:27.176 back in 2008. So we wanted something in 02:27:27.200 --> 02:27:30.200 place. Um long 17 gap in between. 02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:33.016 Abandoning it doesn't look good. it 02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:36.040 leaves us with our 200 um our 02:27:36.240 --> 02:27:39.176 strategy from 2008 still um which is 02:27:39.200 --> 02:27:40.696 insufficient. 02:27:40.720 --> 02:27:43.496 However, the the matters relating to the 02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:45.656 contribution rates are the real sticking 02:27:45.680 --> 02:27:48.616 point for me um as well as the as I said 02:27:48.640 --> 02:27:51.335 before the SRL and the activity center 02:27:51.359 --> 02:27:53.736 um oversightes as part of this process. 02:27:53.760 --> 02:27:55.576 Um, 02:27:55.600 --> 02:27:58.600 I I I'm reticent to abandon a process 02:27:58.800 --> 02:28:00.936 and I I I fear as though I'm falling 02:28:00.960 --> 02:28:03.096 into the sunk cost fallacy in that 02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:04.856 we've put so much time into this so we 02:28:04.880 --> 02:28:07.736 just need to keep going with it. Um, 02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:10.760 however, , I don't want to I don't 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:13.576 want to go back to ground zero and start 02:28:13.600 --> 02:28:16.136 again. if there were another option 02:28:16.160 --> 02:28:18.536 available to us, I would like officers 02:28:18.560 --> 02:28:20.696 to come forward and tell us because um 02:28:20.720 --> 02:28:23.176 what we have is a flawed strategy, but 02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:25.335 it's the only one we have. so I'm 02:28:25.359 --> 02:28:26.455 going to have to move forward with what 02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:28.295 we've got. 02:28:28.319 --> 02:28:30.136 Thank you, Councelor G. Would councelor 02:28:30.160 --> 02:28:32.136 Allan, you'd like to speak? 02:28:32.160 --> 02:28:33.736 Thank you, Madame May. I'll be speaking 02:28:33.760 --> 02:28:36.455 against the the amended motion and 02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:38.375 I'll be supporting the substantive when 02:28:38.399 --> 02:28:41.335 that gets moved, if it gets moved. Um, 02:28:41.359 --> 02:28:42.936 look, I I can understand councelor 02:28:42.960 --> 02:28:44.856 Sparker's point of view. You know, are 02:28:44.880 --> 02:28:47.880 you by imposing the the um the 10% or 02:28:49.520 --> 02:28:51.415 thereabouts, are you restricting 02:28:51.439 --> 02:28:53.656 development? I don't think so. I'm 02:28:53.680 --> 02:28:56.455 quite happy with that amount of um 02:28:56.479 --> 02:28:59.479 contribution from developers. Um they 02:28:59.920 --> 02:29:02.616 won't may not be. but I I tell you 02:29:02.640 --> 02:29:04.295 what, when you have a look at the amount 02:29:04.319 --> 02:29:05.976 of other taxes that have been imposed by 02:29:06.000 --> 02:29:07.976 the state government, I mean ours is 02:29:08.000 --> 02:29:10.536 really just it's it's okay. it adds to 02:29:10.560 --> 02:29:12.776 it, but it's not it's it's not 02:29:12.800 --> 02:29:15.335 substantive enough to to stop 02:29:15.359 --> 02:29:18.359 development. So, I mean, as as has been 02:29:18.479 --> 02:29:20.616 said and we we've all remarked how 02:29:20.640 --> 02:29:22.455 there's no cranes in Boxill at the 02:29:22.479 --> 02:29:24.295 moment. , no, there's no cranes 02:29:24.319 --> 02:29:25.896 anywhere else apart from some 02:29:25.920 --> 02:29:27.576 residential developments, of course, 02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:29.656 in in the in the normal residential 02:29:29.680 --> 02:29:32.216 streets. Um 02:29:32.240 --> 02:29:35.176 I I I I can't see banding abandoning 02:29:35.200 --> 02:29:38.200 this would have any a abject you know 02:29:38.720 --> 02:29:41.335 against against any further development. 02:29:41.359 --> 02:29:43.896 I'm quite happy with the 10% and the 7% 02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:46.920 as proposed contribution. , I 02:29:48.399 --> 02:29:50.136 mean, if we're going to acquire more 02:29:50.160 --> 02:29:52.056 open space, and I think that we should, 02:29:52.080 --> 02:29:55.080 you know, I mean, if if I had my way and 02:29:55.120 --> 02:29:56.536 we had the money and we have the 02:29:56.560 --> 02:29:58.216 support, you know, I'd have the brick 02:29:58.240 --> 02:30:00.536 work site in the click of a fingers if 02:30:00.560 --> 02:30:02.295 just like that seven hectares of 02:30:02.319 --> 02:30:04.696 marvelous well yet to be 02:30:04.720 --> 02:30:06.856 rehabilitated land, but at least be 02:30:06.880 --> 02:30:09.880 open. It' be open space, one marvelous 02:30:10.240 --> 02:30:11.976 down the down the track. And we're not 02:30:12.000 --> 02:30:14.216 going to get land like that if we if we 02:30:14.240 --> 02:30:16.455 abandon if we abandon the the White 02:30:16.479 --> 02:30:18.536 House open space strategy with the 02:30:18.560 --> 02:30:20.295 contributions going it it it will be 02:30:20.319 --> 02:30:23.319 subject to a planning situation 02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:26.680 panel it what it does do is set out the 02:30:26.800 --> 02:30:29.736 open space strategy should this 02:30:29.760 --> 02:30:31.656 should this go down and the 02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:33.736 substantive gets up I mean it does it's 02:30:33.760 --> 02:30:35.016 it's a proper strategy it's 02:30:35.040 --> 02:30:37.496 evidence-based it it's structured it 02:30:37.520 --> 02:30:39.415 makes sure that we don't miss out on any 02:30:39.439 --> 02:30:41.176 opportunities that come up from time at 02:30:41.200 --> 02:30:43.016 the time. , and it's a proper 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:45.096 framework and frankly, you know, after 02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:47.415 we've spent best part of, , or over a 02:30:47.439 --> 02:30:48.936 quarter of a million dollars getting the 02:30:48.960 --> 02:30:51.656 strategy up, , I'd hate to see it be 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:54.680 abandoned at this stage. Um, I think 02:30:54.880 --> 02:30:57.335 that, , unfortunately, Council B, I 02:30:57.359 --> 02:30:59.816 can't agree with you on this on this , 02:30:59.840 --> 02:31:02.840 on this venture at this stage. Um, and I 02:31:03.200 --> 02:31:04.776 think that, as I said, I I won't be 02:31:04.800 --> 02:31:07.335 supporting it. , and I'll go with the 02:31:07.359 --> 02:31:10.359 sub with the substantive. Madame May, 02:31:10.399 --> 02:31:12.616 thank you. Councelor Allan. Um, you have 02:31:12.640 --> 02:31:14.455 the right of reply, councelor Barker. 02:31:14.479 --> 02:31:15.816 Well, thank you very much, Mayor. Now, 02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:18.840 of course, I never proposed that the 02:31:18.880 --> 02:31:20.536 open space development was the only 02:31:20.560 --> 02:31:22.375 thing that stopped is the reason the 02:31:22.399 --> 02:31:24.455 developers have left Box Hill. At the 02:31:24.479 --> 02:31:26.536 moment, it's 4%. And there's no 02:31:26.560 --> 02:31:28.776 development. But we do know and it has 02:31:28.800 --> 02:31:31.800 been proven by CKC that the cost that we 02:31:31.840 --> 02:31:33.816 impose and they put that working example 02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:36.696 on there a 10 apartment da da da da da 02:31:36.720 --> 02:31:39.096 we're adding that much cost that all of 02:31:39.120 --> 02:31:40.856 a sudden it doesn't become viable 02:31:40.880 --> 02:31:43.176 because no one can realize it and 02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:45.335 they're not being built. We know the 02:31:45.359 --> 02:31:47.576 trajectory of the revenue is plummeting 02:31:47.600 --> 02:31:49.576 counselors 02:31:49.600 --> 02:31:52.600 plummeting. 02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:55.736 And we know that the housing figures 02:31:55.760 --> 02:31:58.760 used in the open space strategy are from 02:31:59.200 --> 02:32:00.776 2014. 02:32:00.800 --> 02:32:03.800 Not even the SRL thing. It's a hot mess. 02:32:04.800 --> 02:32:07.496 It's embarrassing. It's undergraduate. 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:09.656 It's unprofessional. I don't want my 02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:11.496 name to be associated with that sort of 02:32:11.520 --> 02:32:14.520 policy development. How can we not 02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:17.415 seriously think about the broader 02:32:17.439 --> 02:32:19.736 strategic setting that we're in? Because 02:32:19.760 --> 02:32:21.656 I foreshadow will also be bringing to 02:32:21.680 --> 02:32:24.056 this place the removal of the affordable 02:32:24.080 --> 02:32:27.080 housing target and the CASBY because all 02:32:27.439 --> 02:32:29.415 they do counterintuitively 02:32:29.439 --> 02:32:31.896 is lessen housing supply and make 02:32:31.920 --> 02:32:34.776 housing more expensive. And 02:32:34.800 --> 02:32:36.295 unfortunately in Victoria you've got 02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:38.536 this sort of Fabian socialism that is 02:32:38.560 --> 02:32:41.560 impos that has infected all parts of 02:32:41.840 --> 02:32:44.056 planning. Oh, you've got to give 10% of 02:32:44.080 --> 02:32:46.776 your apartments to a housing provider. 02:32:46.800 --> 02:32:49.096 Oh, you've got to give 12% of your 02:32:49.120 --> 02:32:51.176 project value to the council for open 02:32:51.200 --> 02:32:53.176 space. We're better than this 02:32:53.200 --> 02:32:55.816 counselors. I know I know I'm going to 02:32:55.840 --> 02:32:57.976 go down on this, but understand and I'll 02:32:58.000 --> 02:33:00.455 be happy to say I fought to improve 02:33:00.479 --> 02:33:02.856 housing supply and affordable housing. 02:33:02.880 --> 02:33:04.375 Are you going to have that to say to 02:33:04.399 --> 02:33:06.616 your c to your constituents? Because I 02:33:06.640 --> 02:33:09.640 know what I'll be saying to mine. 02:33:10.560 --> 02:33:12.375 Thank you, councelor Barker. I now put 02:33:12.399 --> 02:33:14.455 the motion. Please keep your hands up 02:33:14.479 --> 02:33:16.616 and I'll call your names. All those in 02:33:16.640 --> 02:33:19.176 favor, councelor Davenport and councelor 02:33:19.200 --> 02:33:21.656 Barker. All those against, councelor 02:33:21.680 --> 02:33:23.256 Allan, Councelor Weller, councelor 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:24.936 Griffiths, councelor Gun, councelor 02:33:24.960 --> 02:33:27.256 Simpson, councelor Langford, 02:33:27.280 --> 02:33:29.496 councelor Stenett, councel cuts, and 02:33:29.520 --> 02:33:32.520 councelor Martin. The motion is lost. 02:33:32.640 --> 02:33:34.696 There was a foreshadow of the motion by 02:33:34.720 --> 02:33:37.016 councelor Weller. Would you like to move 02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:39.335 that c the motion of item 10.2 to open 02:33:39.359 --> 02:33:41.335 space strategy implementation update. 02:33:41.359 --> 02:33:42.375 Happy to move, Mayor. 02:33:42.399 --> 02:33:43.976 Thank you, councelor Weller. Y 02:33:44.000 --> 02:33:45.736 could I have a second, please? Councelor 02:33:45.760 --> 02:33:47.256 Martin. Councelor Weller. 02:33:47.280 --> 02:33:49.415 Thank you, Mayor. I am pleased to move 02:33:49.439 --> 02:33:52.136 this report because it represents a 02:33:52.160 --> 02:33:54.375 significant step forward in delivering 02:33:54.399 --> 02:33:56.696 the vision set out in the Whitehorse 02:33:56.720 --> 02:33:59.720 Open Space Strategy 2025. 02:33:59.920 --> 02:34:02.136 This is not simply an administrative 02:34:02.160 --> 02:34:04.776 update. It is the framework that will 02:34:04.800 --> 02:34:07.256 shape how we secure, protect, and 02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:09.896 enhance open space across our city for 02:34:09.920 --> 02:34:12.920 decades to come. This report directly 02:34:13.200 --> 02:34:15.976 responds to the resolution we adopted in 02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:19.000 July 2025 where we asked for a clearer, 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:22.136 more strategic and more accountable 02:34:22.160 --> 02:34:24.776 approach to land acquisition and we now 02:34:24.800 --> 02:34:27.800 have that. The first major component is 02:34:27.920 --> 02:34:30.920 the open space acquisition plan. For the 02:34:31.120 --> 02:34:32.936 first time, council will have a 02:34:32.960 --> 02:34:35.656 structured evidence-based method for 02:34:35.680 --> 02:34:38.295 identifying and prioritizing land for 02:34:38.319 --> 02:34:41.176 open space. The plan's two-part 02:34:41.200 --> 02:34:43.736 framework assessing strategic need and 02:34:43.760 --> 02:34:46.760 priority and then site suitability and 02:34:46.880 --> 02:34:49.176 deliverability ensures that every 02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:51.816 potential acquisition is evaluated 02:34:51.840 --> 02:34:54.536 consistently and transparently. This 02:34:54.560 --> 02:34:57.096 moves us away from a reactive ad hoc 02:34:57.120 --> 02:34:59.096 approach and toward a proactive 02:34:59.120 --> 02:35:01.976 long-term model. As the report notes, 02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:04.216 this shift establishes a balanced 02:35:04.240 --> 02:35:06.936 acquisition model that incorporates both 02:35:06.960 --> 02:35:09.656 proactive and responsive pathways. That 02:35:09.680 --> 02:35:11.976 is exactly what a growing and evolving 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:15.000 municipality like ours needs. Second, 02:35:15.200 --> 02:35:17.256 the report provides a clear governance 02:35:17.280 --> 02:35:19.496 approach for the open space reserve, 02:35:19.520 --> 02:35:22.520 which currently holds around 74 million. 02:35:22.720 --> 02:35:24.696 This fund is one of our most important 02:35:24.720 --> 02:35:26.696 tools for shaping the future of White 02:35:26.720 --> 02:35:28.856 Horse. The recommended approach, 02:35:28.880 --> 02:35:31.256 maintaining a minimum balance of 10 02:35:31.280 --> 02:35:34.280 million but not imposing an upper limit, 02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:36.136 strikes the right balance between 02:35:36.160 --> 02:35:37.976 financial responsibility and 02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:39.656 flexibility. 02:35:39.680 --> 02:35:41.256 As the report highlights, the 02:35:41.280 --> 02:35:43.496 availability of suitable land is often 02:35:43.520 --> 02:35:46.136 unpredictable and time-sensitive, and we 02:35:46.160 --> 02:35:48.375 must be ready to act when opportunities 02:35:48.399 --> 02:35:51.399 arise. A rigid cap would only limit our 02:35:51.760 --> 02:35:54.136 ability to secure land in a competitive 02:35:54.160 --> 02:35:56.056 market. 02:35:56.080 --> 02:35:58.295 Third, the report advances the planning 02:35:58.319 --> 02:36:00.375 scheme amendment needed to implement 02:36:00.399 --> 02:36:03.335 updated open space contribution rates. 02:36:03.359 --> 02:36:05.576 This is essential to ensuring that 02:36:05.600 --> 02:36:07.976 development, particularly in high growth 02:36:08.000 --> 02:36:10.295 areas like Boxhill, Burwood, and our 02:36:10.319 --> 02:36:12.936 activity centers contributes fairly to 02:36:12.960 --> 02:36:14.856 the open space network that future 02:36:14.880 --> 02:36:17.880 residents will rely on. The public open 02:36:17.920 --> 02:36:20.375 space contributions report provides the 02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:22.776 evidence base required to progress that 02:36:22.800 --> 02:36:25.800 amendment. Finally, the report addresses 02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:28.375 the future planning for Kang Park and 02:36:28.399 --> 02:36:30.856 Blackburn Creeklands, areas that are 02:36:30.880 --> 02:36:33.335 much loved by our community and that I 02:36:33.359 --> 02:36:35.816 personally walk through often. The 02:36:35.840 --> 02:36:38.136 strategy identifies major improvements 02:36:38.160 --> 02:36:40.455 as a high priority, but it is 02:36:40.479 --> 02:36:42.616 appropriate that detailed planning, 02:36:42.640 --> 02:36:45.016 including a master plan and community 02:36:45.040 --> 02:36:47.816 engagement, occurs before significant 02:36:47.840 --> 02:36:50.776 capital capital funding is committed. 02:36:50.800 --> 02:36:52.536 This ensures that investment is 02:36:52.560 --> 02:36:55.096 strategic, justified, and aligned with 02:36:55.120 --> 02:36:57.576 community expectations. 02:36:57.600 --> 02:36:59.656 Overall, this report strengthens our 02:36:59.680 --> 02:37:02.536 governance, sharpens our priorities, and 02:37:02.560 --> 02:37:05.096 positions us to deliver the open space 02:37:05.120 --> 02:37:07.816 network our community deserves. It 02:37:07.840 --> 02:37:09.896 ensures that every dollar in the open 02:37:09.920 --> 02:37:12.295 space reserve is used wisely, 02:37:12.319 --> 02:37:14.536 transparently, and in line with 02:37:14.560 --> 02:37:17.496 long-term need. And it reinforces our 02:37:17.520 --> 02:37:19.976 commitment to equitable access to open 02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:22.856 space across White Horse. Something our 02:37:22.880 --> 02:37:25.256 community clearly told us during the 02:37:25.280 --> 02:37:27.896 development of the strategy. I commend 02:37:27.920 --> 02:37:29.976 the officers for the depth and clarity 02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:31.816 of this work and I support the 02:37:31.840 --> 02:37:34.056 recommendation. 02:37:34.080 --> 02:37:35.656 Thank you, Councelor Weller. Council 02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:37.896 Martin. Thank you, Mayor. So, tonight 02:37:37.920 --> 02:37:39.736 we're considering a final uptake to the 02:37:39.760 --> 02:37:42.056 White Horse open space strategy, , a 02:37:42.080 --> 02:37:43.496 plan that directly addresses how we 02:37:43.520 --> 02:37:45.496 provide and protect green spaces as our 02:37:45.520 --> 02:37:47.736 city undergoes significant growth. So, 02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:49.496 for me, this is a long-term strategy, 02:37:49.520 --> 02:37:51.176 and I do note councelor Barker's 02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:52.696 chAllanges in the market at the moment, 02:37:52.720 --> 02:37:54.776 but I think , having that long-term 02:37:54.800 --> 02:37:57.096 view is important. So the open space 02:37:57.120 --> 02:37:59.256 acquisition plan before us makes a marks 02:37:59.280 --> 02:38:00.856 a fundamental shift in our approach. 02:38:00.880 --> 02:38:02.856 We're moving away from a purely reactive 02:38:02.880 --> 02:38:04.696 opportunist opportunistic model to a 02:38:04.720 --> 02:38:06.455 moreruct structured and proactive 02:38:06.479 --> 02:38:08.856 framework by using the new priority 02:38:08.880 --> 02:38:10.536 sites assessment framework which 02:38:10.560 --> 02:38:12.295 utilizes a traffic light rating system. 02:38:12.319 --> 02:38:14.136 We can now identify strategic gaps in 02:38:14.160 --> 02:38:16.455 our network while remaining agile enough 02:38:16.479 --> 02:38:18.295 to act on time-sensitive market 02:38:18.319 --> 02:38:19.816 opportunities and we've seen some of 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:21.576 those recently. 02:38:21.600 --> 02:38:23.415 Um so a key part of this report is the 02:38:23.439 --> 02:38:25.496 management of open space reserve which 02:38:25.520 --> 02:38:28.216 sits at approximately $74 million. 02:38:28.240 --> 02:38:30.056 mentions there a $2 million minimum 02:38:30.080 --> 02:38:33.080 balance and avoiding the upper cap. Um I 02:38:33.280 --> 02:38:35.496 do sort of listen to councelor Griffiths 02:38:35.520 --> 02:38:37.415 in terms of let's put three up each 02:38:37.439 --> 02:38:40.439 year. Um but for me it's not the number 02:38:40.560 --> 02:38:42.056 necessarily of what we're putting up. 02:38:42.080 --> 02:38:44.056 It's making um good decisions. So one 02:38:44.080 --> 02:38:45.896 year we might spend nothing. The next 02:38:45.920 --> 02:38:48.295 year we might spend 50 million like as 02:38:48.319 --> 02:38:49.656 long as it's in the strategy. I think 02:38:49.680 --> 02:38:52.536 it's more about making sure um that the 02:38:52.560 --> 02:38:55.560 that the funds go to um yeah good 02:38:55.680 --> 02:38:58.680 investments in this in this strategy. Um 02:38:59.439 --> 02:39:01.335 setting a rigid upper limit would be I I 02:39:01.359 --> 02:39:03.256 would be poor financial stewardship. It 02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:04.776 would constrict our ability to secure 02:39:04.800 --> 02:39:06.375 significant high value sites that may 02:39:06.399 --> 02:39:09.399 suddenly become available. Um anyway, 02:39:09.840 --> 02:39:12.840 furthermore, to fund the ambitious 477 02:39:13.439 --> 02:39:15.415 program of works required over 15 years, 02:39:15.439 --> 02:39:17.016 we must proceed with the planning scheme 02:39:17.040 --> 02:39:19.176 amendment to update our public open 02:39:19.200 --> 02:39:21.576 space contributions. Adopting the 02:39:21.600 --> 02:39:23.096 contributions report tonight is a 02:39:23.120 --> 02:39:25.256 critical step to ensure that developers, 02:39:25.280 --> 02:39:26.856 not just our current rateayers, 02:39:26.880 --> 02:39:28.375 contribute their fair share towards 02:39:28.399 --> 02:39:31.399 increased demand for open space. Um I 02:39:31.439 --> 02:39:33.896 also note the comments by yeah councelor 02:39:33.920 --> 02:39:35.896 Weller for the Kellang Park and 02:39:35.920 --> 02:39:37.415 Blackburn Creeklands. I think that's 02:39:37.439 --> 02:39:39.976 very important. So for me, this update 02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:42.056 is about transparency, financial 02:39:42.080 --> 02:39:44.056 sustainability, and equity. It ensures 02:39:44.080 --> 02:39:45.896 that every resident, regardless of where 02:39:45.920 --> 02:39:47.256 they live or the density of their 02:39:47.280 --> 02:39:49.496 housing, has e access to quality open 02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:51.976 space. So I urge my fellow counselors to 02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:53.496 support the recommendation. Thank you, 02:39:53.520 --> 02:39:54.536 Mayor. 02:39:54.560 --> 02:39:56.056 Thank you, Council Martin. Would anyone 02:39:56.080 --> 02:39:59.080 else like to speak to Councmen? 02:40:00.479 --> 02:40:02.936 What's that amendment? Council Griffiths. 02:40:02.960 --> 02:40:05.960 it's point4 seeks an officer report 02:40:06.080 --> 02:40:09.080 that annually identifies sites three 02:40:09.520 --> 02:40:12.520 governance three potential sites 02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:13.896 um for council 02:40:13.920 --> 02:40:16.216 is it three or five counselor 02:40:16.240 --> 02:40:17.016 three 02:40:17.040 --> 02:40:18.375 we please have that changed on the 02:40:18.399 --> 02:40:21.399 screen 02:40:26.080 --> 02:40:29.080 and that's until 2020 2029. 02:40:30.720 --> 02:40:32.856 Does someone else second this 02:40:32.880 --> 02:40:34.056 amendment? 02:40:34.080 --> 02:40:37.080 Absolutely, ma'am. 02:40:39.120 --> 02:40:42.120 Oh, sorry. It's been a long evening. Um, 02:40:42.800 --> 02:40:44.136 do you agree with this amendment? 02:40:44.160 --> 02:40:46.056 I accept the amendment, Mayor. 02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:49.080 Thank you. And council Martin, 02:40:50.080 --> 02:40:51.496 I don't accept it. No. 02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:53.096 So, we're going to debate. Would you 02:40:53.120 --> 02:40:55.096 could someone second it, please? 02:40:55.120 --> 02:40:56.856 Thank you, Council B. Councelor D. 02:40:56.880 --> 02:40:58.216 Council Griffiths. 02:40:58.240 --> 02:40:59.176 Thank you. you. Thanks for the 02:40:59.200 --> 02:41:02.200 compliment, Mayor. I'll I'll take a a 02:41:02.800 --> 02:41:04.936 sent a statement from the moving 02:41:04.960 --> 02:41:07.816 speech and it's about being ready to act 02:41:07.840 --> 02:41:10.840 when opportunity arises. 02:41:11.200 --> 02:41:14.200 Prior to an amendment in July 2025, I 02:41:14.399 --> 02:41:16.295 don't remember any potential land 02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:18.375 acquisitions coming to council since 02:41:18.399 --> 02:41:19.896 I've been on council and I don't think 02:41:19.920 --> 02:41:21.736 they were very frequent before that. So, 02:41:21.760 --> 02:41:23.496 we were left in a situation. And we had 02:41:23.520 --> 02:41:26.455 this escalating open space fund 02:41:26.479 --> 02:41:29.479 decreasing open space in the city. So an 02:41:29.840 --> 02:41:32.840 amendment was put at that time 02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:35.736 similar to this one. I think five 02:41:35.760 --> 02:41:37.816 potential sites to come to us and that 02:41:37.840 --> 02:41:40.840 expired and during that period several 02:41:41.040 --> 02:41:43.656 opportunities have come to council. 02:41:43.680 --> 02:41:45.335 don't we didn't need to agree and go 02:41:45.359 --> 02:41:47.256 with them but at least they came to 02:41:47.280 --> 02:41:50.280 council and we could have the debate 02:41:50.720 --> 02:41:53.176 as part of the budget consultation last 02:41:53.200 --> 02:41:56.200 year Crowag put that point to me um can 02:41:57.439 --> 02:41:59.335 council start spending the money and it 02:41:59.359 --> 02:42:01.496 does need to be strategic 02:42:01.520 --> 02:42:03.816 we might have this acquisition plan come 02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:06.616 into place play but we need to make sure 02:42:06.640 --> 02:42:09.096 that the organization is ready to act 02:42:09.120 --> 02:42:11.256 when opportunity arises and if I think 02:42:11.280 --> 02:42:13.415 of some of the recent things that 02:42:13.439 --> 02:42:16.216 counselors considered. 02:42:16.240 --> 02:42:18.136 It seems that counselors are more ready 02:42:18.160 --> 02:42:20.776 to act than council officers. The 02:42:20.800 --> 02:42:23.800 process is not proactive enough. And 02:42:24.080 --> 02:42:26.696 what this aims to do is set an 02:42:26.720 --> 02:42:29.176 aspirational goal for council officers. 02:42:29.200 --> 02:42:30.936 Bring something that council can 02:42:30.960 --> 02:42:33.496 consider. As counselors, we shouldn't be 02:42:33.520 --> 02:42:36.520 afraid of options being presented to us. 02:42:38.160 --> 02:42:41.160 So, it's just a few. I've we've I've 02:42:41.840 --> 02:42:43.896 reduced it down to three to try and um 02:42:43.920 --> 02:42:46.056 hedge my bets. 02:42:46.080 --> 02:42:49.080 Um but there's no there's no reason that 02:42:49.680 --> 02:42:51.816 officers can't can't do a bit more. So 02:42:51.840 --> 02:42:53.096 that's what I'm putting here. A number 02:42:53.120 --> 02:42:55.656 of amendments came back in July 2025 02:42:55.680 --> 02:42:58.536 about maximum limits acquisition plans. 02:42:58.560 --> 02:43:00.455 If I reflect on what has worked well, 02:43:00.479 --> 02:43:01.335 it's not there 02:43:01.359 --> 02:43:03.256 over that period, it was that rule that 02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:05.816 we put in place that said bring us 02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:08.696 options, even the worst, the best of the 02:43:08.720 --> 02:43:11.096 worst, that we can come that we can 02:43:11.120 --> 02:43:13.176 consider, I'm afraid if we don't have 02:43:13.200 --> 02:43:15.576 this in that we'll go back to what 02:43:15.600 --> 02:43:18.295 happened before July 2025 and say 02:43:18.319 --> 02:43:19.896 there's nothing good enough to bring to 02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:22.920 you. Well, let let us decide among um 02:43:23.200 --> 02:43:25.896 the best of the worst. That's all I have 02:43:25.920 --> 02:43:28.455 to say, Mayor. Thank you councelor 02:43:28.479 --> 02:43:30.375 Griffiths councelor Barker 02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:31.976 not a huge amount to say Mayor but I 02:43:32.000 --> 02:43:33.496 will take the opportunity to say I mean 02:43:33.520 --> 02:43:36.520 even this recommendation seems to be a 02:43:36.560 --> 02:43:38.936 little bit in congruent to a and minimum 02:43:38.960 --> 02:43:40.696 reserve balance of 10 million to be 02:43:40.720 --> 02:43:43.176 maintained to support strategic land 02:43:43.200 --> 02:43:45.496 acquisition with the minimum of $10 02:43:45.520 --> 02:43:47.016 million you're never going to spend it 02:43:47.040 --> 02:43:48.936 because that's the minimum balance we've 02:43:48.960 --> 02:43:51.960 just agreed to. I I just don't follow 02:43:52.160 --> 02:43:54.696 that because it's like what um the good 02:43:54.720 --> 02:43:57.096 doctor was saying before me about the 02:43:57.120 --> 02:43:58.936 little pocket parts which is how we got 02:43:58.960 --> 02:44:01.960 to the um percentage arrangement 02:44:02.960 --> 02:44:05.736 is it's completely in congruent with the 02:44:05.760 --> 02:44:08.760 implementation plan and I wonder what I 02:44:09.040 --> 02:44:10.856 wonder what the committee or the 02:44:10.880 --> 02:44:12.536 independent panel and I'll I'll 02:44:12.560 --> 02:44:14.536 certainly look forward to presenting to 02:44:14.560 --> 02:44:17.096 them myself um would make of that. 02:44:17.120 --> 02:44:19.176 You've got one way that you determined 02:44:19.200 --> 02:44:21.496 the rate, but then your implementation 02:44:21.520 --> 02:44:24.520 plan reflects absolutely no relationship 02:44:25.439 --> 02:44:28.439 whatsoever to how we determined the 02:44:29.040 --> 02:44:32.040 percentage. 02:44:32.319 --> 02:44:35.319 I don't get that 02:44:36.960 --> 02:44:39.960 in congruent. 02:44:41.200 --> 02:44:43.496 May just got a question. 02:44:43.520 --> 02:44:45.176 Yes, council tenant. Have you finished? 02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:46.856 Councelor Barker. Yes, ma'am. 02:44:46.880 --> 02:44:48.536 Thank you, Council Senate. 02:44:48.560 --> 02:44:51.496 Just interested um how council offices 02:44:51.520 --> 02:44:54.520 would interpret and act this out. Um I 02:44:55.680 --> 02:44:58.680 guess the questions I'm thinking allowed 02:44:58.720 --> 02:45:00.536 is you know would they be three 02:45:00.560 --> 02:45:02.455 different sites every year or could they 02:45:02.479 --> 02:45:04.056 be the same three and next year they 02:45:04.080 --> 02:45:05.576 just use the same three again and the 02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:08.600 same three or um 02:45:08.880 --> 02:45:11.016 does does three not having the words at 02:45:11.040 --> 02:45:13.736 least three limit us to only three and 02:45:13.760 --> 02:45:15.496 not any more than three? No, less than 02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:18.520 three. Um, and are these sites not 02:45:18.560 --> 02:45:20.536 currently for sale or those that come up 02:45:20.560 --> 02:45:23.560 for sale? 02:45:25.840 --> 02:45:28.375 , through you, Mayor. Look, 02:45:28.399 --> 02:45:31.399 there's no officer concern about a 02:45:31.520 --> 02:45:34.520 number in relation to acquiring 02:45:35.120 --> 02:45:37.176 properties as long as it is um 02:45:37.200 --> 02:45:39.496 considered and meets our strategic 02:45:39.520 --> 02:45:42.520 objectives. So um if the number is three 02:45:43.920 --> 02:45:45.335 or the number is five, it doesn't 02:45:45.359 --> 02:45:46.696 necessarily mean that we're going to 02:45:46.720 --> 02:45:48.536 come less than or more than it's going 02:45:48.560 --> 02:45:50.455 to come to what is appropriate at the 02:45:50.479 --> 02:45:52.936 time. So we might for example come up 02:45:52.960 --> 02:45:55.335 with two sites that are of substantial 02:45:55.359 --> 02:45:57.816 um substantial sites or one substantial 02:45:57.840 --> 02:46:00.776 site that takes a fair contribution. But 02:46:00.800 --> 02:46:02.696 I think the point is that we need to 02:46:02.720 --> 02:46:04.696 keep an eye out for all opportunities at 02:46:04.720 --> 02:46:06.616 all the time. 02:46:06.640 --> 02:46:08.616 And I don't necessarily disagree with 02:46:08.640 --> 02:46:11.255 councelor Griffiths's concerns about some 02:46:11.279 --> 02:46:14.136 of the history where um because you know 02:46:14.160 --> 02:46:15.816 I've been with the organization for 02:46:15.840 --> 02:46:18.840 seven years and um previously it's in 02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:22.455 organizations I've been with it's been 02:46:22.479 --> 02:46:25.016 more common to look for appropriate open 02:46:25.040 --> 02:46:27.176 space where you can at the right time 02:46:27.200 --> 02:46:30.200 and at the right price. Um, it might be 02:46:30.399 --> 02:46:31.656 something that's listed. It might be 02:46:31.680 --> 02:46:33.176 something that council might even pursue 02:46:33.200 --> 02:46:35.415 to compulsory acquire, which is a which 02:46:35.439 --> 02:46:37.576 is a significant process. All those 02:46:37.600 --> 02:46:40.600 matters would be on the table. 02:46:42.560 --> 02:46:44.136 Would anyone else like to speak to the 02:46:44.160 --> 02:46:45.016 motion? 02:46:45.040 --> 02:46:46.216 I had a question, Matt. 02:46:46.240 --> 02:46:47.415 Councelor Martin, 02:46:47.439 --> 02:46:49.176 just in regards to the lower limit of 02:46:49.200 --> 02:46:51.976 the $10 million minimum balance. If if 02:46:52.000 --> 02:46:53.816 there was um it got to that stage and 02:46:53.840 --> 02:46:55.976 there was a potential purchase, is there 02:46:56.000 --> 02:46:58.616 anything stopping council councilors 02:46:58.640 --> 02:47:01.255 putting a motion to use those funds and 02:47:01.279 --> 02:47:03.816 a motion to spend the money under those 02:47:03.840 --> 02:47:04.936 circumstances? 02:47:04.960 --> 02:47:05.896 The 02:47:05.920 --> 02:47:07.736 there'd be no prohibition that I'm aware 02:47:07.760 --> 02:47:09.736 of. I don't see it in inserted as part 02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:11.176 of the process. I would say there'd be 02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:13.976 no prohibition. 02:47:14.000 --> 02:47:15.415 Councelor Barker, are you asking a 02:47:15.439 --> 02:47:16.616 question or are you just making a 02:47:16.640 --> 02:47:17.016 comment? 02:47:17.040 --> 02:47:19.096 Sorry, you're speaking out thinking out 02:47:19.120 --> 02:47:21.496 loud. It must be one of my cognitive 02:47:21.520 --> 02:47:23.335 issues. But the question is then why is 02:47:23.359 --> 02:47:25.976 it there? 02:47:26.000 --> 02:47:28.216 Well, the purpose it would be there is 02:47:28.240 --> 02:47:30.696 is to to certainly guide council that 02:47:30.720 --> 02:47:32.696 when you get to a lower limit, you need 02:47:32.720 --> 02:47:35.016 to be aware of it. Um, and then you 02:47:35.040 --> 02:47:36.616 would make decisions at that point in 02:47:36.640 --> 02:47:39.335 time. Um, so I don't think it's seen as 02:47:39.359 --> 02:47:40.936 necessarily restrictive. It's certainly 02:47:40.960 --> 02:47:43.016 something as a guide. 02:47:43.040 --> 02:47:45.335 Thank you, Mr. McMillan. May I remind 02:47:45.359 --> 02:47:47.816 councilors that we are actually debating 02:47:47.840 --> 02:47:49.496 number four which is in pink on the 02:47:49.520 --> 02:47:51.816 screen. Is anyone Does anyone else wish 02:47:51.840 --> 02:47:53.816 to speak to the amendment? 02:47:53.840 --> 02:47:56.216 yes, Mayor. 02:47:56.240 --> 02:47:58.216 Well, Mayor, I'm I'm in support of this 02:47:58.240 --> 02:48:00.696 this amendment because unless we have a 02:48:00.720 --> 02:48:02.776 resolution on the books to say go away 02:48:02.800 --> 02:48:04.936 and come back to us with certain number 02:48:04.960 --> 02:48:07.496 of properties for us to look at, it's 02:48:07.520 --> 02:48:09.415 not going to happen. It is not going to 02:48:09.439 --> 02:48:11.496 happen. I've been on council long enough 02:48:11.520 --> 02:48:14.136 to know that for years and years no 02:48:14.160 --> 02:48:16.455 properties have come up and then council 02:48:16.479 --> 02:48:18.295 will come with the odd idea every now 02:48:18.319 --> 02:48:21.016 and then. It's only been in more recent 02:48:21.040 --> 02:48:23.335 times when council Griffiths gets his 02:48:23.359 --> 02:48:26.359 motion up where um where properties have 02:48:27.520 --> 02:48:30.520 started to be presented at council. I 02:48:31.120 --> 02:48:34.120 think last time before this term was I 02:48:34.800 --> 02:48:36.856 think Scott Grove was the last one in 02:48:36.880 --> 02:48:39.880 Burwood H and Hay Street and Hay Street 02:48:41.120 --> 02:48:42.696 Hay Street at the end of the term and 02:48:42.720 --> 02:48:45.016 then Scott Grove 02:48:45.040 --> 02:48:47.335 that was years and years ago um 02:48:47.359 --> 02:48:50.216 before I was on council. So councilors I 02:48:50.240 --> 02:48:52.696 think having this motion is important 02:48:52.720 --> 02:48:55.415 because it drives our desire within the 02:48:55.439 --> 02:48:58.216 organization to say bring open space to 02:48:58.240 --> 02:49:00.136 us. There's two parts of the use of the 02:49:00.160 --> 02:49:02.536 open space reserve. One is the 02:49:02.560 --> 02:49:04.375 acquisition of open space and the other 02:49:04.399 --> 02:49:07.016 way is to enhance open space. And this 02:49:07.040 --> 02:49:09.976 motion certainly puts the desire forward 02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:12.776 to have proactive sites brought to us. 02:49:12.800 --> 02:49:15.800 Now we've got the White Horse open space 02:49:16.080 --> 02:49:18.776 strategy where every little block of has 02:49:18.800 --> 02:49:20.375 been looked at in White Horse and we 02:49:20.399 --> 02:49:21.976 spent a fortune on it and that's 02:49:22.000 --> 02:49:24.776 identified our need areas. 02:49:24.800 --> 02:49:26.536 We should be able to get at least three 02:49:26.560 --> 02:49:29.415 sites coming to our consideration 02:49:29.439 --> 02:49:32.439 um over the each year until 2029. I 02:49:32.720 --> 02:49:34.455 support the amendment. 02:49:34.479 --> 02:49:37.255 Mayor, I have a further amendment to 02:49:37.279 --> 02:49:39.176 this amendment. 02:49:39.200 --> 02:49:40.936 I don't think you can do amendment on 02:49:40.960 --> 02:49:43.415 an amendment. Can you? No. I have to 02:49:43.439 --> 02:49:46.295 deal with this one first. 02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:47.736 Are there any further speakers to the 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:49.496 amendment? 02:49:49.520 --> 02:49:50.936 Yeah. I'll just quickly m 02:49:50.960 --> 02:49:52.776 Thank you, Council Martin. Um, look, 02:49:52.800 --> 02:49:54.455 when I said I'm not supportive of it, I 02:49:54.479 --> 02:49:57.176 I I support the intent and I'm very 02:49:57.200 --> 02:49:59.415 pleased that um, properties have come 02:49:59.439 --> 02:50:02.439 before council in recent times, but I I 02:50:02.800 --> 02:50:04.536 just note that we have got our we've 02:50:04.560 --> 02:50:07.096 developed our open space strategy. So, 02:50:07.120 --> 02:50:08.455 there's a framework there and there's 02:50:08.479 --> 02:50:10.216 there's opportunity now to actually act 02:50:10.240 --> 02:50:13.240 on it. So, um, yeah, look, whether it's 02:50:13.840 --> 02:50:15.656 three, whether it's five, I'm happy. I 02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:18.056 just I I just would have thought that um 02:50:18.080 --> 02:50:19.976 I just don't want us buying properties 02:50:20.000 --> 02:50:21.255 for the sake of buying properties. I 02:50:21.279 --> 02:50:24.279 want them to be strategic and um and I 02:50:24.960 --> 02:50:26.696 would hope and I I would think this 02:50:26.720 --> 02:50:28.216 would be happening already anyway in the 02:50:28.240 --> 02:50:29.656 current environment from the messaging 02:50:29.680 --> 02:50:32.536 that we've given council. So I'm I'm 02:50:32.560 --> 02:50:33.976 pretty confident in the ability of 02:50:34.000 --> 02:50:35.656 council officers to do this already. 02:50:35.680 --> 02:50:36.696 Thank you Mayor. 02:50:36.720 --> 02:50:38.295 Thank you councelor Martin. Would anyone 02:50:38.319 --> 02:50:39.736 else like to speak to the amendment? 02:50:39.760 --> 02:50:41.255 Mayor, I have a question. 02:50:41.279 --> 02:50:42.136 Council cuts. 02:50:42.160 --> 02:50:44.455 So it does say with three sites to be 02:50:44.479 --> 02:50:46.616 considered each year. So if there were 02:50:46.640 --> 02:50:48.455 more than that, would officers 02:50:48.479 --> 02:50:50.375 understand that that's what counselors 02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:52.056 are intending if should they be 02:50:52.080 --> 02:50:53.976 available? 02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:56.696 Councelor, sorry, Mr. McMillan. 02:50:56.720 --> 02:50:59.496 , true, Mayor. Absolutely. 02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:01.896 So, Mayor, I'd like to speak. 02:51:01.920 --> 02:51:02.696 Councelor Cuts. 02:51:02.720 --> 02:51:04.536 Thank you very much, Mayor. Um, look, I 02:51:04.560 --> 02:51:06.776 do support this because as councelor 02:51:06.800 --> 02:51:08.856 Davenport has said, and I've been, this 02:51:08.880 --> 02:51:10.856 is my 10th year on council, we did 02:51:10.880 --> 02:51:13.335 nothing for about six years. there 02:51:13.359 --> 02:51:16.295 was no open space purchased the um the 02:51:16.319 --> 02:51:19.319 fund increased. We had um some heat from 02:51:19.920 --> 02:51:21.896 the state government saying why should 02:51:21.920 --> 02:51:23.656 we pay for this when you've got all that 02:51:23.680 --> 02:51:26.375 money sitting there. Okay, fair enough. 02:51:26.399 --> 02:51:29.335 Um and it certainly with that resolution 02:51:29.359 --> 02:51:31.335 it has meant that that officers have 02:51:31.359 --> 02:51:33.016 looked. Now, that does not mean that 02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:34.455 officers didn't look because I remember 02:51:34.479 --> 02:51:36.136 there was something in in our ward at 02:51:36.160 --> 02:51:38.936 the time, councilor Sten and mine. Um, a 02:51:38.960 --> 02:51:41.016 piece of land came up and as councelor 02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:43.816 Barker mentioned the other meeting, it 02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:46.696 was it was well away from a main road. 02:51:46.720 --> 02:51:48.375 There was hardly any foot traffic and 02:51:48.399 --> 02:51:50.375 councelor Stenton and I looked at it and 02:51:50.399 --> 02:51:51.976 we felt that it wasn't a good use of 02:51:52.000 --> 02:51:53.976 council funds and so we actually 02:51:54.000 --> 02:51:55.736 recommended against it and that was off 02:51:55.760 --> 02:51:57.656 the council position and that was a 02:51:57.680 --> 02:52:00.136 confidential item. But there has not 02:52:00.160 --> 02:52:03.096 been sufficient purchase of open space. 02:52:03.120 --> 02:52:05.496 We talk about the importance of open 02:52:05.520 --> 02:52:07.496 space and and we have moved on and we've 02:52:07.520 --> 02:52:09.896 made some great purchases and I'm very 02:52:09.920 --> 02:52:11.415 happy with the direction we're taking 02:52:11.439 --> 02:52:13.096 now. So I'll be supporting this. Thank 02:52:13.120 --> 02:52:13.976 you. 02:52:14.000 --> 02:52:15.576 Thank you councelor cuts. Are there any 02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:17.896 other speakers to the amendment? 02:52:17.920 --> 02:52:19.255 Given that there are no other speakers 02:52:19.279 --> 02:52:21.176 and you have no right of reply, I'll now 02:52:21.200 --> 02:52:22.776 put the motion those in of the motion 02:52:22.800 --> 02:52:25.800 for the amendment. Those in favor, 02:52:26.080 --> 02:52:29.080 councelor Allan, councelor Weller, 02:52:29.120 --> 02:52:30.536 councelor Griffiths, councelor Gun, 02:52:30.560 --> 02:52:32.136 councelor Davenport, councelor Simpson. 02:52:32.160 --> 02:52:34.375 Sorry, it's it's unanimous. You had your 02:52:34.399 --> 02:52:35.736 hand down before. 02:52:35.760 --> 02:52:37.176 I was thinking, may 02:52:37.200 --> 02:52:38.856 Thank you, councelor Simpson. 02:52:38.880 --> 02:52:41.415 May I have an amendment? 02:52:41.439 --> 02:52:43.016 Can we just accept this amendment into 02:52:43.040 --> 02:52:46.040 black first? 02:52:46.479 --> 02:52:49.016 Mayor, I have an amendment. 02:52:49.040 --> 02:52:50.216 Councelor Davenport, you have an 02:52:50.240 --> 02:52:51.176 amendment, please. 02:52:51.200 --> 02:52:54.200 8.2. two. 02:52:54.960 --> 02:52:57.176 Could you please put that up on the 02:52:57.200 --> 02:53:00.200 screen as 02:53:02.800 --> 02:53:05.656 do you accept that as the mover council? 02:53:05.680 --> 02:53:06.696 No, may 02:53:06.720 --> 02:53:08.856 council Martin. No. We now debate the 02:53:08.880 --> 02:53:10.616 amendment. Councelor Davenport. Oh, can 02:53:10.640 --> 02:53:11.176 we have a second? 02:53:11.200 --> 02:53:12.375 Yes, of course. We got a second. 02:53:12.399 --> 02:53:13.736 Councelor Barker. Councelor Davenport. 02:53:13.760 --> 02:53:15.096 Well, thank you, Mayor. And I I was 02:53:15.120 --> 02:53:16.616 listening to councelor Barker saying 02:53:16.640 --> 02:53:19.016 that this particular part of the motion 02:53:19.040 --> 02:53:21.816 seemed to be a little bit odd and at at 02:53:21.840 --> 02:53:24.840 a or in congrant to to the motion 02:53:26.399 --> 02:53:29.399 generally councilors our role is to 02:53:29.439 --> 02:53:32.295 collect money from the rateayer 02:53:32.319 --> 02:53:35.096 developers and then utilize that for 02:53:35.120 --> 02:53:37.496 open space. Now, these sites are like 02:53:37.520 --> 02:53:40.520 hen's teeth. And what I want to avoid is 02:53:40.720 --> 02:53:43.335 for us to hit 11 mil on our open space 02:53:43.359 --> 02:53:46.056 reserve and then for council officers to 02:53:46.080 --> 02:53:48.295 essentially not look any further because 02:53:48.319 --> 02:53:50.696 we've hit a hit a brick wall in terms of 02:53:50.720 --> 02:53:53.720 what our minimum is. Um and so the the 02:53:55.439 --> 02:53:57.096 view that we should be putting forward 02:53:57.120 --> 02:54:00.120 is use the open space to acquire land 02:54:00.319 --> 02:54:03.319 and to upgrade our open space 02:54:03.680 --> 02:54:06.536 regardless of what this minimum amount 02:54:06.560 --> 02:54:09.560 is. And that's why I don't agree with a 02:54:09.760 --> 02:54:12.696 minimum reserve balance. We're not there 02:54:12.720 --> 02:54:15.720 to pocket 10 mil and have developer 02:54:17.040 --> 02:54:19.816 contributions for open space sitting in 02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:22.536 the bank account. We've got sites that 02:54:22.560 --> 02:54:24.856 we should be spending. We should 02:54:24.880 --> 02:54:27.016 spending it on. We should be spending on 02:54:27.040 --> 02:54:30.040 it. And I don't want to have to rely on 02:54:30.319 --> 02:54:33.319 an a motion at the time to dip into that 02:54:34.000 --> 02:54:35.816 reserve. We should just not have a 02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:37.335 reserve. We don't have one at the 02:54:37.359 --> 02:54:39.736 moment. We have 70 odd million in the 02:54:39.760 --> 02:54:41.896 bank. We don't need a reserve going 02:54:41.920 --> 02:54:44.920 forward. Um we should just leave. We 02:54:45.359 --> 02:54:48.359 should It would be a bad look for us to 02:54:49.520 --> 02:54:51.415 go to the community. It's not as bad as 02:54:51.439 --> 02:54:53.335 saying we're going to use the open space 02:54:53.359 --> 02:54:55.096 reserve for basketball courts and 02:54:55.120 --> 02:54:57.016 swimming pools like we had a number of 02:54:57.040 --> 02:54:59.096 years ago. It would be a bad look to say 02:54:59.120 --> 02:55:01.096 to our community that we're going to 02:55:01.120 --> 02:55:04.120 have money in the bank unavailable for 02:55:05.439 --> 02:55:08.439 use for open space. 02:55:09.279 --> 02:55:12.279 Have no minimum, have no maximum. And as 02:55:12.960 --> 02:55:15.176 the sites come up that's in accordance 02:55:15.200 --> 02:55:17.576 with our acquisition plan, the priority 02:55:17.600 --> 02:55:19.656 assessment framework, the open space 02:55:19.680 --> 02:55:21.415 strategy, 02:55:21.439 --> 02:55:23.576 then we make a decision at the time 02:55:23.600 --> 02:55:25.656 having regard to a lot of factors. We 02:55:25.680 --> 02:55:28.216 don't need to s set a minimum um for the 02:55:28.240 --> 02:55:31.240 reserve. I urge your support to um 02:55:31.439 --> 02:55:33.335 pass the amendment. Thank you. 02:55:33.359 --> 02:55:34.536 Thank you, councelor Davenport. 02:55:34.560 --> 02:55:35.255 Councelor Barker. 02:55:35.279 --> 02:55:36.455 Couldn't couldn't have put it better 02:55:36.479 --> 02:55:38.375 myself. We need to keep the aperture as 02:55:38.399 --> 02:55:40.295 open as possible. There might be an 02:55:40.319 --> 02:55:43.255 opportunity that's going to be a $50 02:55:43.279 --> 02:55:45.976 million opportunity. And the last thing 02:55:46.000 --> 02:55:48.696 we need is a Clayton's limit. A limit 02:55:48.720 --> 02:55:50.216 when you don't have a limit. Oh, you can 02:55:50.240 --> 02:55:52.375 have the limit, but we'll just ignore it 02:55:52.399 --> 02:55:55.399 anyway. I mean, seriously, 02:55:56.000 --> 02:55:58.295 come on. 02:55:58.319 --> 02:56:01.319 Where's this sort of stuff come from? 02:56:01.439 --> 02:56:04.439 Because councelor Devport's absolutely 02:56:04.640 --> 02:56:07.096 got it right. That money has been taken 02:56:07.120 --> 02:56:08.856 off people. 02:56:08.880 --> 02:56:11.016 home owners, renters, apartment owners, 02:56:11.040 --> 02:56:14.040 mainly town houses to buy open space. I 02:56:15.359 --> 02:56:16.856 was the first one that dropped that dead 02:56:16.880 --> 02:56:18.455 cat in this place about buying the 02:56:18.479 --> 02:56:21.479 Boxill brick works. We abs I still can't 02:56:21.840 --> 02:56:24.136 believe we haven't put in an offer on 02:56:24.160 --> 02:56:27.160 it. Let's get going. You know, let's go. 02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:30.536 Where's the state government? I don't 02:56:30.560 --> 02:56:32.455 know. But there's no point in having a 02:56:32.479 --> 02:56:35.255 Clayton's limit. That's silly. What if 02:56:35.279 --> 02:56:37.736 we've got 40 $50 million in there and 02:56:37.760 --> 02:56:40.056 the next big opportunity that is 02:56:40.080 --> 02:56:42.375 transformational for our city takes it 02:56:42.399 --> 02:56:44.375 to zero? Guess what? We'll be going for 02:56:44.399 --> 02:56:46.216 the transformational opportunity and 02:56:46.240 --> 02:56:47.896 ignoring it. So, if we're going to 02:56:47.920 --> 02:56:50.776 ignore it and it's a Clayton's don't 02:56:50.800 --> 02:56:53.800 have it there. 02:56:54.560 --> 02:56:56.536 Thank you, Councelor Barker. Would 02:56:56.560 --> 02:56:57.576 anyone else like to speak? 02:56:57.600 --> 02:57:00.600 I got a question. Oh, sorry. Over you. 02:57:00.800 --> 02:57:03.800 my question is by removing 02:57:04.160 --> 02:57:06.295 endorses option two at the start of this 02:57:06.319 --> 02:57:08.295 sentence are we not endorsing option 02:57:08.319 --> 02:57:11.319 two? 02:57:13.120 --> 02:57:14.936 Could you just repeat that please? 02:57:14.960 --> 02:57:17.960 So in item two the first three words 02:57:18.000 --> 02:57:21.000 endorses option two. If we scrap this 02:57:21.439 --> 02:57:23.576 item two does that mean we're not 02:57:23.600 --> 02:57:26.600 endorsing option two in the report? 02:57:29.840 --> 02:57:32.840 Thanks miss 02:57:33.520 --> 02:57:35.415 through you may the report provided two 02:57:35.439 --> 02:57:37.176 options in relation to this matter which 02:57:37.200 --> 02:57:39.176 was actually requested for us to provide 02:57:39.200 --> 02:57:41.335 an upper and lower limit proposal for 02:57:41.359 --> 02:57:44.359 council to consider by taking out any 02:57:45.040 --> 02:57:47.255 reference to options one or two. It's 02:57:47.279 --> 02:57:50.056 not making any resolution related to um 02:57:50.080 --> 02:57:52.856 the fund the future of the fund. 02:57:52.880 --> 02:57:55.016 Thank you. Miss Leic, would you like to 02:57:55.040 --> 02:57:57.335 speak? I I just I'm reading option two 02:57:57.359 --> 02:58:00.056 and that's it's more than just having an 02:58:00.080 --> 02:58:02.216 upper and lower limit. 02:58:02.240 --> 02:58:04.295 Miss Leic, could you please come back to 02:58:04.319 --> 02:58:07.319 the lecton and respond to councelor Gun? 02:58:13.359 --> 02:58:14.856 So in relation to the section that 02:58:14.880 --> 02:58:17.335 relates to the upper and lower limit um 02:58:17.359 --> 02:58:19.576 there are two options that are provided. 02:58:19.600 --> 02:58:22.600 There's the option that is um sorry I 02:58:23.040 --> 02:58:24.536 just need to find it in the PL in the 02:58:24.560 --> 02:58:27.560 document. 02:58:33.920 --> 02:58:35.736 I'm trying to help my council colleague. 02:58:35.760 --> 02:58:37.335 Page 30 02:58:37.359 --> 02:58:40.216 in 2.2 option one establish upper and 02:58:40.240 --> 02:58:41.816 lower limits of the open space reserve 02:58:41.840 --> 02:58:44.455 fund and option two fixed minimum 02:58:44.479 --> 02:58:46.136 reserve balance with flex. Forgive me, 02:58:46.160 --> 02:58:47.656 Mayor, and sorry, Miss Leic. I was 02:58:47.680 --> 02:58:49.736 reading options considered including on 02:58:49.760 --> 02:58:51.656 page 28 option two, but that's a 02:58:51.680 --> 02:58:53.816 different option two in the report. I 02:58:53.840 --> 02:58:54.696 apologize. 02:58:54.720 --> 02:58:56.375 Thank you, councelor Gun for 02:58:56.399 --> 02:58:57.576 I would like to speak though if I could 02:58:57.600 --> 02:58:57.976 though. 02:58:58.000 --> 02:59:00.295 Um, councelor Gun, would you like I kind 02:59:00.319 --> 02:59:02.216 of I'm in agreement here with 02:59:02.240 --> 02:59:04.455 councils Davenport and Barker in that 02:59:04.479 --> 02:59:06.936 there's no point having a lower limit 02:59:06.960 --> 02:59:09.096 if there is an opportunity that suggests 02:59:09.120 --> 02:59:11.496 that we should strike and that dips 02:59:11.520 --> 02:59:14.455 below that 10 million minimum. And 02:59:14.479 --> 02:59:17.096 further to what councelor cut said, we 02:59:17.120 --> 02:59:20.120 have heard state members call us out for 02:59:20.880 --> 02:59:22.776 building up a war chest and not spending 02:59:22.800 --> 02:59:24.856 it. What's the point of having no upper 02:59:24.880 --> 02:59:27.176 limit? we should be utilizing that 02:59:27.200 --> 02:59:28.856 fund. That's what Crow want. It's what 02:59:28.880 --> 02:59:31.016 we want. I don't know if there's any 02:59:31.040 --> 02:59:33.335 need to have an upper and lower limit. 02:59:33.359 --> 02:59:36.359 we can just continue to work on um 02:59:36.960 --> 02:59:39.176 utilizing that fund without an upper and 02:59:39.200 --> 02:59:41.016 lower limit. 02:59:41.040 --> 02:59:42.295 Thank you, Councelor G. Would anyone 02:59:42.319 --> 02:59:43.176 else like to speak? I have a 02:59:43.200 --> 02:59:44.696 question. Mayor, 02:59:44.720 --> 02:59:45.656 councelor Simpson. 02:59:45.680 --> 02:59:48.295 Um, just to um clarify for my own 02:59:48.319 --> 02:59:50.136 understanding on page 27 of the report, 02:59:50.160 --> 02:59:51.816 it has says option two structure 02:59:51.840 --> 02:59:54.056 acquisition program which includes 02:59:54.080 --> 02:59:55.736 points such as establishes a proactive 02:59:55.760 --> 02:59:57.016 evidence-based and consistent approach 02:59:57.040 --> 02:59:59.736 to acquisition etc etc. My question is 02:59:59.760 --> 03:00:01.576 is what part of the motion does that 03:00:01.600 --> 03:00:04.600 option two relate to? Please 03:00:06.080 --> 03:00:09.080 Miss Leic. 03:00:14.640 --> 03:00:16.856 Thank you. I do agree that the reference 03:00:16.880 --> 03:00:19.656 to several options one and two related 03:00:19.680 --> 03:00:21.096 to different matters is confusing. I 03:00:21.120 --> 03:00:24.120 apologize. So it relates to um the 03:00:24.880 --> 03:00:27.816 acquisition program. So that relates to 03:00:27.840 --> 03:00:29.335 number one which is the acquisition 03:00:29.359 --> 03:00:32.359 plan. 03:00:33.920 --> 03:00:34.375 Thank you. 03:00:34.399 --> 03:00:35.415 Are you happy with that, Council 03:00:35.439 --> 03:00:35.816 Simpson? 03:00:35.840 --> 03:00:36.616 yes, Mayor. 03:00:36.640 --> 03:00:38.216 did you want to speak to the 03:00:38.240 --> 03:00:38.616 amendment? 03:00:38.640 --> 03:00:40.295 yes, May. I just council 03:00:40.319 --> 03:00:42.616 I I intend to agree with a lot of the 03:00:42.640 --> 03:00:45.640 arguments made um by councilors and 03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:47.896 already about this amendment but also 03:00:47.920 --> 03:00:49.576 councilors it really does put the 03:00:49.600 --> 03:00:51.576 responsibility of spending that open 03:00:51.600 --> 03:00:54.600 space strategy and maintaining it um w 03:00:54.640 --> 03:00:56.616 in terms of making sure we can achieve 03:00:56.640 --> 03:00:58.455 strategic outcomes back on our shoulders 03:00:58.479 --> 03:01:00.455 where it belongs. Um and that's the 03:01:00.479 --> 03:01:01.816 right place where it should be. We are 03:01:01.840 --> 03:01:04.375 we are elected to improve people's lives 03:01:04.399 --> 03:01:06.536 and to represent them in this place and 03:01:06.560 --> 03:01:09.560 therefore it is um it is upon us to 03:01:09.920 --> 03:01:11.976 make sure we spend this money wisely. 03:01:12.000 --> 03:01:13.816 but the problem is councilors is that if 03:01:13.840 --> 03:01:16.136 we're getting reports to us with 03:01:16.160 --> 03:01:18.696 little purchases here and there, 03:01:18.720 --> 03:01:20.536 we've really got to be careful about how 03:01:20.560 --> 03:01:22.136 we spend this money because we could 03:01:22.160 --> 03:01:25.160 spend um you know $5 million on a block 03:01:25.359 --> 03:01:28.359 of land that services a certain 03:01:29.680 --> 03:01:31.576 number of people when that $5 million as 03:01:31.600 --> 03:01:32.936 part of a larger pool of money could 03:01:32.960 --> 03:01:35.415 achieve so much more. And that's what I 03:01:35.439 --> 03:01:36.776 was thinking about when I was 03:01:36.800 --> 03:01:38.536 considering point 4 earlier in the 03:01:38.560 --> 03:01:39.896 evening is that we've really got to be 03:01:39.920 --> 03:01:41.576 careful and make sure that is strategic 03:01:41.600 --> 03:01:44.600 and it achieves the best outcome for the 03:01:45.040 --> 03:01:47.016 residents as possible when we spend that 03:01:47.040 --> 03:01:48.616 money and I'll have more to say about 03:01:48.640 --> 03:01:51.640 that on the overall motion. Mayor, 03:01:51.840 --> 03:01:53.096 thank you. Councelor Simpson, would 03:01:53.120 --> 03:01:54.216 anyone else like to speak to the 03:01:54.240 --> 03:01:55.335 amendment? 03:01:55.359 --> 03:01:56.455 Yes, Mayor. 03:01:56.479 --> 03:01:57.496 Councelor Martin. 03:01:57.520 --> 03:02:00.520 Um, Mayor, I I don't see the re the 03:02:00.800 --> 03:02:03.800 rationale for deleting this point. Um, I 03:02:04.000 --> 03:02:06.455 think it provides good guide rails. Um, 03:02:06.479 --> 03:02:08.056 I I feel we're just picking at straws 03:02:08.080 --> 03:02:10.455 here. So, in any prudent financial 03:02:10.479 --> 03:02:12.136 management, you're going to pay some 03:02:12.160 --> 03:02:13.816 bills and and some sometimes you're 03:02:13.840 --> 03:02:15.415 going to keep some for a rainy day. And 03:02:15.439 --> 03:02:17.096 so, what this does, it just means that 03:02:17.120 --> 03:02:18.776 we've got some there in case something 03:02:18.800 --> 03:02:20.776 does come up rather than just spend it 03:02:20.800 --> 03:02:22.856 cuz it's in the account. You know, it's 03:02:22.880 --> 03:02:24.536 it's easy to spend. It's hard to save. 03:02:24.560 --> 03:02:26.455 So, we're not saying not spend it. We're 03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:28.455 just saying have some guide rails there 03:02:28.479 --> 03:02:30.536 for the management of the fund. So, I 03:02:30.560 --> 03:02:32.616 will not be supporting it. 03:02:32.640 --> 03:02:34.776 Thank you, Councelor Martin. Does anyone 03:02:34.800 --> 03:02:37.800 else wish to speak to the amendment? 03:02:38.240 --> 03:02:39.656 Given it's an amendment, you do not have 03:02:39.680 --> 03:02:41.976 the right of reply. I now put the 03:02:42.000 --> 03:02:44.455 amendment. Those in favor? 03:02:44.479 --> 03:02:46.536 Councelor 03:02:46.560 --> 03:02:48.536 Allan, Councelor Griffiths, Councelor 03:02:48.560 --> 03:02:50.455 Gun, Councelor Davenport, Councelor 03:02:50.479 --> 03:02:53.479 Simpson, Councelor Barker, Councelor 03:02:53.600 --> 03:02:55.496 Stennett, and Councelor Cuts. Those 03:02:55.520 --> 03:02:57.096 against, Councelor Weller, Council 03:02:57.120 --> 03:02:59.335 Langford, and Councelor Martin. The 03:02:59.359 --> 03:03:01.976 motion, the amendment is carried. , 03:03:02.000 --> 03:03:05.000 may I just have one small amendment? 03:03:05.120 --> 03:03:07.415 We just get this up on the screen. 03:03:07.439 --> 03:03:09.096 Council Senate, you have an amendment. 03:03:09.120 --> 03:03:10.776 Yeah, thank you. This feels like more of 03:03:10.800 --> 03:03:13.800 a typo, but um 03:03:13.840 --> 03:03:15.496 option three. I mentioned kind of 03:03:15.520 --> 03:03:18.295 mentioned it before. Um, I'd like to add 03:03:18.319 --> 03:03:21.319 the words at least two, between, 03:03:22.240 --> 03:03:23.816 between, with, and three. So, it says 03:03:23.840 --> 03:03:26.216 with at least three sites to be 03:03:26.240 --> 03:03:29.240 considered each year until 2029. Could 03:03:29.520 --> 03:03:32.520 you please add that to the screen? 03:03:42.160 --> 03:03:43.896 Will you be doing that in pink? Oh, 03:03:43.920 --> 03:03:46.216 thank you. 03:03:46.240 --> 03:03:48.696 Um, Well, do you agree to this 03:03:48.720 --> 03:03:49.496 amendment? 03:03:49.520 --> 03:03:50.216 Yes, ma'am. 03:03:50.240 --> 03:03:51.656 Do you agree to the amendment, Council 03:03:51.680 --> 03:03:51.976 Martin? 03:03:52.000 --> 03:03:53.016 Yes, ma'am. 03:03:53.040 --> 03:03:55.096 Given that this is agreed, and I'll put 03:03:55.120 --> 03:03:58.120 the motion. Those in favor? Oh. 03:04:01.840 --> 03:04:03.016 accepted. 03:04:03.040 --> 03:04:04.136 I'm still putting it to the vote. 03:04:04.160 --> 03:04:04.856 Council Simpson. 03:04:04.880 --> 03:04:06.375 Well, with respect, Mayor, you haven't 03:04:06.399 --> 03:04:08.856 asked for any other speakers yet. 03:04:08.880 --> 03:04:10.216 Are there any other speakers to the 03:04:10.240 --> 03:04:10.696 motion? 03:04:10.720 --> 03:04:11.415 Yes, Mayor. 03:04:11.439 --> 03:04:12.616 Council Simpson. 03:04:12.640 --> 03:04:15.640 Thank you, Mayor. Um, councilors, I just 03:04:16.080 --> 03:04:17.255 would like to go back to something 03:04:17.279 --> 03:04:18.936 councelor Gun said, and he rightly 03:04:18.960 --> 03:04:21.960 identified this. Um, this open space 03:04:22.399 --> 03:04:24.455 strategy does not take into account the 03:04:24.479 --> 03:04:26.856 anticipated population growth from the 03:04:26.880 --> 03:04:29.415 SRL or the activity centers. And that in 03:04:29.439 --> 03:04:32.375 my mind is actually an incredibly flawed 03:04:32.399 --> 03:04:35.399 approach to this strategy because as 03:04:36.640 --> 03:04:38.375 I have said earlier this evening, open 03:04:38.399 --> 03:04:40.136 space per capita in this city is 03:04:40.160 --> 03:04:42.536 decreasing and we are not considering 03:04:42.560 --> 03:04:44.776 the impact of the denominator on that 03:04:44.800 --> 03:04:46.536 equation. 03:04:46.560 --> 03:04:49.560 And I think it is um responsible of us 03:04:50.880 --> 03:04:53.335 to consider that. But I also have asked 03:04:53.359 --> 03:04:55.176 this question of officers many times. 03:04:55.200 --> 03:04:56.856 When are we going to see that that 03:04:56.880 --> 03:04:59.335 population data incorporated into the 03:04:59.359 --> 03:05:01.496 strategy? And I kept getting told we're 03:05:01.520 --> 03:05:02.696 waiting. We're waiting. We're waiting. 03:05:02.720 --> 03:05:04.696 Well, I don't think that's good enough. 03:05:04.720 --> 03:05:07.096 Um if we are meant to be looking at a 03:05:07.120 --> 03:05:08.616 strategy about providing space for 03:05:08.640 --> 03:05:10.536 people in the city, we need to know the 03:05:10.560 --> 03:05:11.896 amount of people that we need to be 03:05:11.920 --> 03:05:14.056 providing for. And we also therefore 03:05:14.080 --> 03:05:16.936 that would factor in to how we spend the 03:05:16.960 --> 03:05:19.496 open space reserve because we can buy a 03:05:19.520 --> 03:05:21.976 small piece of land that you know might 03:05:22.000 --> 03:05:23.976 might service a neighborhood. But if 03:05:24.000 --> 03:05:25.496 we're growing the population at a 03:05:25.520 --> 03:05:28.520 certain rate where we need far more land 03:05:30.080 --> 03:05:32.136 in order to increase the the the 03:05:32.160 --> 03:05:35.016 numerator of that equation. Well, in my 03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:36.776 opinion, that shifts our focus. that 03:05:36.800 --> 03:05:39.255 shifts our perspective and our strategy 03:05:39.279 --> 03:05:41.335 about what land we acquire in this city 03:05:41.359 --> 03:05:42.696 in order to try and make sure we 03:05:42.720 --> 03:05:45.176 preserve a modicum of livability in this 03:05:45.200 --> 03:05:47.496 city. It's a scientific fact that 14 03:05:47.520 --> 03:05:49.816 square meters per person is the amount 03:05:49.840 --> 03:05:51.576 of open space that is recommended for a 03:05:51.600 --> 03:05:52.936 healthy life. And we know in parts of 03:05:52.960 --> 03:05:55.016 this city that doesn't exist. They have 03:05:55.040 --> 03:05:57.255 far less than that. And councelor Barker 03:05:57.279 --> 03:05:58.375 has rightly talked about increased 03:05:58.399 --> 03:06:00.696 densification in parts of our city. What 03:06:00.720 --> 03:06:02.216 about the open space there? How do we 03:06:02.240 --> 03:06:04.056 make ensure the livability for those 03:06:04.080 --> 03:06:06.295 people there? And there's only again 03:06:06.319 --> 03:06:08.216 only two ways to do that. And if we are 03:06:08.240 --> 03:06:09.896 going to go down the path of increasing 03:06:09.920 --> 03:06:12.455 the numerator, we need large volumes of 03:06:12.479 --> 03:06:13.816 land which is going to cost large 03:06:13.840 --> 03:06:16.136 volumes of money. But the problem is is 03:06:16.160 --> 03:06:18.616 the strategy that we have does not count 03:06:18.640 --> 03:06:21.016 does not incorporate sorry all of the 03:06:21.040 --> 03:06:22.936 necessary data into it. And I've been 03:06:22.960 --> 03:06:25.960 asking for it. Now on a positive note, I 03:06:26.319 --> 03:06:28.616 am pleased to see that the report before 03:06:28.640 --> 03:06:30.455 us tonight has actually started to think 03:06:30.479 --> 03:06:32.856 about this question. But we're not there 03:06:32.880 --> 03:06:35.880 yet. We need to keep going and I've said 03:06:36.000 --> 03:06:37.816 this before. We need an overarching 03:06:37.840 --> 03:06:40.840 strategy where we think about all the 03:06:40.960 --> 03:06:42.856 interoperating factors. I mean, Council 03:06:42.880 --> 03:06:45.255 Bark, you alluded to this in your moving 03:06:45.279 --> 03:06:48.136 speech to for deferral. And we do 03:06:48.160 --> 03:06:50.056 because if we buy a block of land with a 03:06:50.080 --> 03:06:51.255 house on it and then knock that house 03:06:51.279 --> 03:06:52.616 down for open space, we're actually 03:06:52.640 --> 03:06:54.936 decreasing housing supply. Are we 03:06:54.960 --> 03:06:57.415 prepared to make that tradeoff? What are 03:06:57.439 --> 03:06:58.856 the trade-offs we're prepared to make? 03:06:58.880 --> 03:07:00.536 And at the moment we're still going 03:07:00.560 --> 03:07:02.856 along in my personal view in a more 03:07:02.880 --> 03:07:04.856 peacemeal fashion rather than a 03:07:04.880 --> 03:07:07.880 overarching holistic strategic way in 03:07:08.000 --> 03:07:09.816 order to maintain livability for the 03:07:09.840 --> 03:07:11.576 people of our city. So on the whole 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:14.536 councilors I do support the motion but 03:07:14.560 --> 03:07:16.455 the strategy is flawed and it needs to 03:07:16.479 --> 03:07:18.136 be fixed. 03:07:18.160 --> 03:07:19.496 Thank you councelor Simpson. Would 03:07:19.520 --> 03:07:21.255 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:07:21.279 --> 03:07:23.576 Councelor Bark congratulate councelor 03:07:23.600 --> 03:07:25.255 Simpson on that because it's not often 03:07:25.279 --> 03:07:26.936 we agree on much but he's absolutely 03:07:26.960 --> 03:07:29.736 right because you know again in Box Hill 03:07:29.760 --> 03:07:31.415 with the suburban railing we don't even 03:07:31.439 --> 03:07:33.736 have precinct guidelines from this 03:07:33.760 --> 03:07:36.136 advisory panel we don't have any of it 03:07:36.160 --> 03:07:38.455 none of it and we're still charging 03:07:38.479 --> 03:07:40.216 ahead and the other thing that strikes 03:07:40.240 --> 03:07:41.335 me is while we're talking about 03:07:41.359 --> 03:07:43.656 strategic sites we're getting further 03:07:43.680 --> 03:07:46.216 and further into the twilight zone away 03:07:46.240 --> 03:07:47.976 from the justific the original 03:07:48.000 --> 03:07:50.295 justification document that said oh 03:07:50.319 --> 03:07:52.056 we're going to have a little park here 03:07:52.080 --> 03:07:54.616 and put some some taps in that park 03:07:54.640 --> 03:07:56.696 there and that's the way we're going to 03:07:56.720 --> 03:07:58.136 get it because I don't remember there 03:07:58.160 --> 03:08:00.056 being a whole lot of strategic sites. In 03:08:00.080 --> 03:08:01.896 fact, in Boxill it was to be a little 03:08:01.920 --> 03:08:04.056 pocket park somewhere in the center of 03:08:04.080 --> 03:08:07.080 the U activity center. So supporting it 03:08:08.080 --> 03:08:11.080 council. Thank you. 03:08:13.200 --> 03:08:14.455 Remember councilors we're actually 03:08:14.479 --> 03:08:17.096 debating the substantive right now. um 03:08:17.120 --> 03:08:19.096 could please if there's anyone else 03:08:19.120 --> 03:08:20.696 wishes to speak to the substantive 03:08:20.720 --> 03:08:23.415 motion as it is on the screen, let me 03:08:23.439 --> 03:08:25.896 know. 03:08:25.920 --> 03:08:28.920 Any further speakers? 03:08:30.240 --> 03:08:33.096 No further speakers. There's been no 03:08:33.120 --> 03:08:35.656 speakers against the substantive, so you 03:08:35.680 --> 03:08:37.656 have no right of reply. Um councelor 03:08:37.680 --> 03:08:39.816 Wellera, I'll now put the motion. Those 03:08:39.840 --> 03:08:42.840 in favor, 03:08:43.279 --> 03:08:45.496 councelor Allan, Councelor Weller, 03:08:45.520 --> 03:08:47.255 Councelor Griffiths, Councelor Gun, 03:08:47.279 --> 03:08:49.255 Councelor Davenport, Council Simpson, 03:08:49.279 --> 03:08:51.016 Council Langford, Councelor Stenn, 03:08:51.040 --> 03:08:53.415 Councelor Katz, and Councelor Martin. 03:08:53.439 --> 03:08:55.656 Those against, Councelor Barker. The 03:08:55.680 --> 03:08:58.680 motion is carried. 03:09:01.600 --> 03:09:04.136 Item 10.3, soft plastics recycling 03:09:04.160 --> 03:09:06.295 service. Can I have a council move the 03:09:06.319 --> 03:09:07.415 item? 03:09:07.439 --> 03:09:09.656 Happy to move, Mayor. Council Simpson 03:09:09.680 --> 03:09:11.255 and a councelor to second. 03:09:11.279 --> 03:09:12.696 Happy to move. Mayor, 03:09:12.720 --> 03:09:14.856 councelor Stennett. Councelor Simpson. 03:09:14.880 --> 03:09:16.856 , thank you, Mayor. Councilors, the 03:09:16.880 --> 03:09:18.455 report that is before us this evening is 03:09:18.479 --> 03:09:20.136 a direct result of the notice of motion 03:09:20.160 --> 03:09:21.816 that I moved in February earlier this 03:09:21.840 --> 03:09:23.335 year requesting that officers 03:09:23.359 --> 03:09:25.016 investigate the establishment of a soft 03:09:25.040 --> 03:09:26.776 plastics recycling service, including 03:09:26.800 --> 03:09:28.696 consideration of collection facilities 03:09:28.720 --> 03:09:30.856 at council sites and at the Whitehorse 03:09:30.880 --> 03:09:33.016 Recycling and Waste Center. And that 03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:35.576 motion was prompted by two factors. 03:09:35.600 --> 03:09:37.096 Firstly, it reflected significant 03:09:37.120 --> 03:09:38.776 community frustration and confusion 03:09:38.800 --> 03:09:40.375 following the collapse of the red cycle 03:09:40.399 --> 03:09:43.255 scheme in 2022. Residents who had made a 03:09:43.279 --> 03:09:44.776 genuine effort to recycle their soft 03:09:44.800 --> 03:09:46.375 plastics for many years were suddenly 03:09:46.399 --> 03:09:47.976 left without clear guidance on what to 03:09:48.000 --> 03:09:50.056 do and many reasonably questioned 03:09:50.080 --> 03:09:51.656 whether soft plastics placed into 03:09:51.680 --> 03:09:53.016 collection points were in fact being 03:09:53.040 --> 03:09:55.335 recycled when the level of stockpiling 03:09:55.359 --> 03:09:57.816 became known. Secondly, the issue was 03:09:57.840 --> 03:09:58.856 raised and discussed through the 03:09:58.880 --> 03:10:00.455 environment and sustainability advisory 03:10:00.479 --> 03:10:01.816 committee which I chair along with 03:10:01.840 --> 03:10:03.576 councelor Stenet where members 03:10:03.600 --> 03:10:04.936 highlighted both the environmental 03:10:04.960 --> 03:10:06.616 importance of soft plastics recycling 03:10:06.640 --> 03:10:08.295 and provided new information that made 03:10:08.319 --> 03:10:09.896 it worthwhile us investigating the 03:10:09.920 --> 03:10:12.136 option again. The report we have 03:10:12.160 --> 03:10:13.976 received responds comprehensively to the 03:10:14.000 --> 03:10:15.816 questions asked of us in the original 03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:17.976 motion and I am really glad that the 03:10:18.000 --> 03:10:19.496 knowledge and expertise of members of 03:10:19.520 --> 03:10:20.856 the environment sustainability and 03:10:20.880 --> 03:10:22.295 advisory committee were involved in the 03:10:22.319 --> 03:10:24.375 production of the report. This to me 03:10:24.399 --> 03:10:25.736 shows the ability of members of the 03:10:25.760 --> 03:10:27.415 White Horse community to contribute and 03:10:27.439 --> 03:10:30.056 better inform council decision-making. 03:10:30.080 --> 03:10:31.816 At the outset, I wish to state clearly 03:10:31.840 --> 03:10:33.176 that there is no disagreement on the 03:10:33.200 --> 03:10:34.536 principle that soft plastic should be 03:10:34.560 --> 03:10:36.616 recycled. Community expectations, 03:10:36.640 --> 03:10:37.976 environmental responsibility, and 03:10:38.000 --> 03:10:39.816 council's own waste diversion objectives 03:10:39.840 --> 03:10:41.896 all point in that one direction. 03:10:41.920 --> 03:10:43.415 However, the question before us tonight 03:10:43.439 --> 03:10:45.576 is whether soft plastics should be 03:10:45.600 --> 03:10:48.600 recycled at a council 03:10:49.120 --> 03:10:51.736 established facility at this time. and 03:10:51.760 --> 03:10:53.496 before based on the evidence before us, 03:10:53.520 --> 03:10:55.576 I support the officer's conclusion that 03:10:55.600 --> 03:10:57.816 it is not. Firstly, in relation to 03:10:57.840 --> 03:11:00.455 current services available to residents, 03:11:00.479 --> 03:11:02.056 the report confirms that there are seven 03:11:02.080 --> 03:11:03.816 supermarket locations within the city of 03:11:03.840 --> 03:11:05.415 White Horse that currently provide soft 03:11:05.439 --> 03:11:07.415 plastics dropoff facilities. These 03:11:07.439 --> 03:11:09.176 locations are places residents already 03:11:09.200 --> 03:11:11.096 visit as part of their regular routines, 03:11:11.120 --> 03:11:13.096 making them convenient and accessible. 03:11:13.120 --> 03:11:15.016 Importantly, these services are industry 03:11:15.040 --> 03:11:16.776 funded and provided at no cost to 03:11:16.800 --> 03:11:18.936 council or rateayers, and I hope the 03:11:18.960 --> 03:11:20.776 number of locations has increased over 03:11:20.800 --> 03:11:22.936 time. Secondly, the report addresses 03:11:22.960 --> 03:11:24.375 directly the community's concern about 03:11:24.399 --> 03:11:26.056 whether soft plastics collected through 03:11:26.080 --> 03:11:27.496 this scheme are genuinely being 03:11:27.520 --> 03:11:29.736 recycled. We are advised that soft 03:11:29.760 --> 03:11:31.576 plastics collected through this program 03:11:31.600 --> 03:11:33.096 are being processed through established 03:11:33.120 --> 03:11:34.936 recycling pathways including mechanical 03:11:34.960 --> 03:11:36.936 recycling into products such as 03:11:36.960 --> 03:11:38.455 construction materials and chemical 03:11:38.479 --> 03:11:40.616 recycling whereby plastics are converted 03:11:40.640 --> 03:11:42.295 back into oil suitable for use in food 03:11:42.319 --> 03:11:44.375 grade packaging. Crucially, the report 03:11:44.399 --> 03:11:45.816 also confirms that the processes 03:11:45.840 --> 03:11:47.255 involved in these schemes are steadily 03:11:47.279 --> 03:11:48.696 working through the stockpiled soft 03:11:48.720 --> 03:11:50.536 plastics left behind after the collapse 03:11:50.560 --> 03:11:53.255 of the red cycle program. This matters 03:11:53.279 --> 03:11:54.936 because one of the major failures of the 03:11:54.960 --> 03:11:56.936 former system was not just collection, 03:11:56.960 --> 03:11:58.936 it was processing capacity and end 03:11:58.960 --> 03:12:01.176 markets. And that is the most important 03:12:01.200 --> 03:12:02.856 part in my opinion of the community to 03:12:02.880 --> 03:12:05.016 hear that the current supermarket system 03:12:05.040 --> 03:12:06.455 is not repeating the failures of the 03:12:06.479 --> 03:12:08.136 past but is actively addressing the 03:12:08.160 --> 03:12:09.816 legacy created by red cycle and 03:12:09.840 --> 03:12:11.496 restoring confidence in soft plastic 03:12:11.520 --> 03:12:14.136 recycling outcomes. The report also sets 03:12:14.160 --> 03:12:15.576 out the broader structural change that 03:12:15.600 --> 03:12:17.736 has occurred since red cycle collapsed. 03:12:17.760 --> 03:12:20.136 In 2025, soft plastic stewardship super 03:12:20.160 --> 03:12:21.736 Australia was established as a national 03:12:21.760 --> 03:12:23.816 industry funded stewardship stewardship 03:12:23.840 --> 03:12:26.136 scheme replacing the interim supermarket 03:12:26.160 --> 03:12:28.536 task force and that is a key point. The 03:12:28.560 --> 03:12:30.056 responsibility for soft plastics has 03:12:30.080 --> 03:12:31.656 returned to the producers and retailers 03:12:31.680 --> 03:12:34.056 who place that material onto the market 03:12:34.080 --> 03:12:35.096 which is exactly where the 03:12:35.120 --> 03:12:37.415 responsibility belongs. Thirdly, the 03:12:37.439 --> 03:12:39.016 report carefully examines the costs and 03:12:39.040 --> 03:12:40.536 risks associated with council run 03:12:40.560 --> 03:12:42.696 collection options. Officers considered 03:12:42.720 --> 03:12:44.455 a range of models, including small-scale 03:12:44.479 --> 03:12:46.375 dropoff points at council facilities, a 03:12:46.399 --> 03:12:47.816 collection service at the recycling and 03:12:47.840 --> 03:12:49.816 waste center, and curbside bag in bin 03:12:49.840 --> 03:12:51.736 collection. Each of these options were 03:12:51.760 --> 03:12:53.096 found to involve financial and 03:12:53.120 --> 03:12:55.335 operational costs. For example, 03:12:55.359 --> 03:12:57.016 providing a supervised soft plastic 03:12:57.040 --> 03:12:58.455 service at the recycling and waste 03:12:58.479 --> 03:12:59.896 center would require substantial 03:12:59.920 --> 03:13:01.896 additional staffing costs in addition to 03:13:01.920 --> 03:13:03.415 processing, transport, and contract 03:13:03.439 --> 03:13:05.816 management costs. The report also 03:13:05.840 --> 03:13:07.096 highlights risks associated with 03:13:07.120 --> 03:13:09.255 contamination, unpredictable volumes, 03:13:09.279 --> 03:13:11.176 uncertain end markets, and reputational 03:13:11.200 --> 03:13:13.176 risk to councils should services be 03:13:13.200 --> 03:13:15.255 disrupted or recycling outcomes not be 03:13:15.279 --> 03:13:17.496 achieved. Finally, council is in 03:13:17.520 --> 03:13:18.375 relation to governance and 03:13:18.399 --> 03:13:20.375 responsibility. The report makes clear 03:13:20.399 --> 03:13:21.896 that soft plastics recycling has 03:13:21.920 --> 03:13:23.415 historically been and should continue to 03:13:23.439 --> 03:13:25.816 be industry-ledd. The establishment of 03:13:25.840 --> 03:13:28.136 SPSA represents a national industry 03:13:28.160 --> 03:13:29.335 funded approach aligned with 03:13:29.359 --> 03:13:31.415 international best practice. Councils 03:13:31.439 --> 03:13:32.536 are not part of the stewardship 03:13:32.560 --> 03:13:34.136 framework and the report appropriately 03:13:34.160 --> 03:13:36.136 cautions against us duplicating services 03:13:36.160 --> 03:13:37.816 while the national system is still being 03:13:37.840 --> 03:13:39.496 implemented and while state service 03:13:39.520 --> 03:13:42.375 standards for waste remain unresolved. 03:13:42.399 --> 03:13:44.455 In conclusion, councilors, this report, 03:13:44.479 --> 03:13:46.696 which arose from my own motion, has done 03:13:46.720 --> 03:13:48.696 exactly what we asked of it. The report 03:13:48.720 --> 03:13:50.215 demonstrates that council listened to 03:13:50.239 --> 03:13:51.816 community frustration, examined the 03:13:51.840 --> 03:13:53.335 evidence carefully, and responded 03:13:53.359 --> 03:13:55.335 responsibly. We should continue to 03:13:55.359 --> 03:13:56.936 strongly encourage residents to recycle 03:13:56.960 --> 03:13:58.455 soft plastics and we should continue to 03:13:58.479 --> 03:14:00.136 hold industry to account for delivering 03:14:00.160 --> 03:14:02.136 that service effectively. But based on 03:14:02.160 --> 03:14:03.656 the evidence before us tonight, it is 03:14:03.680 --> 03:14:05.415 not appropriate for council to introduce 03:14:05.439 --> 03:14:07.016 its own collection facility at this 03:14:07.040 --> 03:14:08.936 time. For this reasons, I support the 03:14:08.960 --> 03:14:10.616 office's recommendation. Please support 03:14:10.640 --> 03:14:12.776 the motion. 03:14:12.800 --> 03:14:14.536 Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Councelor 03:14:14.560 --> 03:14:15.096 Stennett. 03:14:15.120 --> 03:14:16.776 Thanks, Mayor. I'd just like to thank 03:14:16.800 --> 03:14:19.096 the council officers for a thorough 03:14:19.120 --> 03:14:21.816 report sets out the options cost and the 03:14:21.840 --> 03:14:23.816 current state of soft plastics recycling 03:14:23.840 --> 03:14:26.295 in Australia. Um like many in our 03:14:26.319 --> 03:14:28.295 community, I want to see less waste 03:14:28.319 --> 03:14:30.696 going to landfill and more materials 03:14:30.720 --> 03:14:33.496 genu genuinely recycled. 03:14:33.520 --> 03:14:36.056 The collapse of red cycle was a clear 03:14:36.080 --> 03:14:37.576 reminder of the chAllanges in this 03:14:37.600 --> 03:14:40.536 space. Collection alone is not enough. 03:14:40.560 --> 03:14:42.616 We need processing capacity and end 03:14:42.640 --> 03:14:45.496 markets and strong system oversight. 03:14:45.520 --> 03:14:47.176 Since then, the landscape has changed. 03:14:47.200 --> 03:14:49.576 Residents today now have access to 03:14:49.600 --> 03:14:51.896 multiple supermarket drop off points 03:14:51.920 --> 03:14:54.056 across White House and a new industry-le 03:14:54.080 --> 03:14:56.375 scheme soft plastics stewardship 03:14:56.399 --> 03:14:59.399 Australia been to create long-term 03:14:59.600 --> 03:15:01.576 producer funded solutions and that 03:15:01.600 --> 03:15:03.656 principle matters. Those who produce 03:15:03.680 --> 03:15:05.016 packaging should take primary 03:15:05.040 --> 03:15:07.576 responsibility for managing it. Council 03:15:07.600 --> 03:15:10.056 should focus on education advocacy and 03:15:10.080 --> 03:15:12.616 effective core services, not necessarily 03:15:12.640 --> 03:15:14.375 duplicating systems that are still 03:15:14.399 --> 03:15:17.096 evolving. We should all also be mindful 03:15:17.120 --> 03:15:18.536 that the Victorian government is 03:15:18.560 --> 03:15:20.215 developing new waste and recycling 03:15:20.239 --> 03:15:22.375 service standards. A separate council 03:15:22.399 --> 03:15:25.176 run system might risk duplication or or 03:15:25.200 --> 03:15:27.096 rapid obsolescence. 03:15:27.120 --> 03:15:28.856 This approach is not in action. It's a 03:15:28.880 --> 03:15:31.335 measured and responsible course using 03:15:31.359 --> 03:15:32.936 what already exists in supporting 03:15:32.960 --> 03:15:35.960 emerging national reforms and ensuring 03:15:36.720 --> 03:15:38.696 any future investment is based on proven 03:15:38.720 --> 03:15:41.496 stable systems for those systems. I can 03:15:41.520 --> 03:15:42.776 support the recommendation. Thank you, 03:15:42.800 --> 03:15:43.976 ma'am. 03:15:44.000 --> 03:15:45.576 Thank you, Council Senate. Would anyone 03:15:45.600 --> 03:15:47.096 like to speak to motion? 03:15:47.120 --> 03:15:47.736 Yes, Mayor. 03:15:47.760 --> 03:15:49.016 Council Weller. 03:15:49.040 --> 03:15:52.040 Thank you. this report sets out very 03:15:52.080 --> 03:15:55.080 clear reasons why establishing a council 03:15:55.279 --> 03:15:58.215 run soft plastics recycling service in 03:15:58.239 --> 03:16:00.696 White Horse is not feasible at this 03:16:00.720 --> 03:16:03.016 time. And I want to emphasize that 03:16:03.040 --> 03:16:05.736 phrase at this point in time. The 03:16:05.760 --> 03:16:07.415 barriers we are dealing with are 03:16:07.439 --> 03:16:09.736 structural. They are statewide and they 03:16:09.760 --> 03:16:12.056 are national. And once those settings 03:16:12.080 --> 03:16:14.616 change, I sincerely hope we can revisit 03:16:14.640 --> 03:16:16.455 this conversation. 03:16:16.479 --> 03:16:18.696 We know there are currently no viable 03:16:18.720 --> 03:16:21.496 end markets for recycled soft plastics 03:16:21.520 --> 03:16:23.896 at the scale required. We know 03:16:23.920 --> 03:16:26.455 contamination rates are high which makes 03:16:26.479 --> 03:16:29.335 processing difficult and expensive. We 03:16:29.359 --> 03:16:31.896 know recycled content costs more than 03:16:31.920 --> 03:16:34.136 virgin plastics which undermines 03:16:34.160 --> 03:16:36.776 commercial appetite. And industry 03:16:36.800 --> 03:16:38.776 experts tell us that the preferred 03:16:38.800 --> 03:16:41.656 pathway is chemical recycling back into 03:16:41.680 --> 03:16:44.680 base oils not low value products. On top 03:16:45.520 --> 03:16:48.056 of that, contractor appetite for taking 03:16:48.080 --> 03:16:51.080 on council scale soft plastic streams is 03:16:51.279 --> 03:16:53.736 extremely limited. These are chAllanges 03:16:53.760 --> 03:16:56.616 that White Horse cannot solve alone. 03:16:56.640 --> 03:16:58.856 That said, I do believe council has a 03:16:58.880 --> 03:17:01.176 role to play once the broader system 03:17:01.200 --> 03:17:04.056 catches up. The Victorian government 03:17:04.080 --> 03:17:06.136 still has not released the final 03:17:06.160 --> 03:17:08.696 household waste and recycling service 03:17:08.720 --> 03:17:11.096 standards and those standards may 03:17:11.120 --> 03:17:13.656 ultimately require soft plastics to be 03:17:13.680 --> 03:17:16.136 collected through the yellow lid bin. 03:17:16.160 --> 03:17:18.455 When that framework is finalized and 03:17:18.479 --> 03:17:21.479 when industry capacity improves, I want 03:17:21.520 --> 03:17:23.496 us to be ready to reconsider our 03:17:23.520 --> 03:17:26.215 position. For now, the evidence is 03:17:26.239 --> 03:17:28.696 clear. A council run service would be 03:17:28.720 --> 03:17:31.335 costly, high- risk, and unlikely to 03:17:31.359 --> 03:17:34.359 deliver reliable recycling outcomes. But 03:17:34.720 --> 03:17:37.016 this is not the end of the conversation. 03:17:37.040 --> 03:17:39.255 It is a pause until the policy, 03:17:39.279 --> 03:17:41.576 infrastructure, and markets around us 03:17:41.600 --> 03:17:44.056 are ready. 03:17:44.080 --> 03:17:45.816 Thank you, councelor Weller. Would 03:17:45.840 --> 03:17:47.335 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:17:47.359 --> 03:17:48.136 Councelor Martin. 03:17:48.160 --> 03:17:50.056 Yes, ma'am. Just just a quick one. Um 03:17:50.080 --> 03:17:52.936 yeah, I support the report as well, but 03:17:52.960 --> 03:17:54.375 I was just reading the report and I just 03:17:54.399 --> 03:17:56.455 I sort of saw a bit of a theme that sort 03:17:56.479 --> 03:17:58.056 of for me said, "Oh, it's all a little 03:17:58.080 --> 03:18:00.936 bit too hard." And and I accept the um 03:18:00.960 --> 03:18:03.576 markets for the product, but um just for 03:18:03.600 --> 03:18:05.176 me like materials from we we buy 03:18:05.200 --> 03:18:06.536 household items every day, whether 03:18:06.560 --> 03:18:08.215 they're beds or things from various 03:18:08.239 --> 03:18:11.096 retails and and then often um so on on 03:18:11.120 --> 03:18:12.696 the weekend, I did actually go and drop 03:18:12.720 --> 03:18:14.375 off a fair bit amount of cardboard for a 03:18:14.399 --> 03:18:16.455 new bed and and I had this plastic left 03:18:16.479 --> 03:18:18.136 over for that. So, and it was quite a 03:18:18.160 --> 03:18:19.496 big bit. So if it haven't have been 03:18:19.520 --> 03:18:20.776 there for that plastic would have been 03:18:20.800 --> 03:18:23.255 quite convenient. But um I was sort of 03:18:23.279 --> 03:18:24.375 noting some of the comments in the 03:18:24.399 --> 03:18:25.896 report. It said adding another service 03:18:25.920 --> 03:18:28.215 at the White Horse Recycling and Waste 03:18:28.239 --> 03:18:29.656 Center would could attract additional 03:18:29.680 --> 03:18:32.056 customers for no fee recycling and the 03:18:32.080 --> 03:18:34.536 center is already often at capacity. 03:18:34.560 --> 03:18:36.056 There are regular cues to the center 03:18:36.080 --> 03:18:38.056 that can be up to 30 minutes which I've 03:18:38.080 --> 03:18:40.056 which I've endured. Having customers 03:18:40.080 --> 03:18:41.736 wait for an extended period to have the 03:18:41.760 --> 03:18:43.736 opportunity to place quantities of soft 03:18:43.760 --> 03:18:45.576 soft plastics is not an ideal outcome. 03:18:45.600 --> 03:18:47.576 And I agree and there is a risk of 03:18:47.600 --> 03:18:49.255 disappointment if customers have waited 03:18:49.279 --> 03:18:51.496 and then turned away the bins of plastic 03:18:51.520 --> 03:18:52.616 are full. Well, that that actually 03:18:52.640 --> 03:18:54.295 happens with cardboard now occasionally. 03:18:54.319 --> 03:18:56.696 But what I'm trying to say there just if 03:18:56.720 --> 03:18:58.375 it's at capacity, we have to make sure 03:18:58.399 --> 03:19:00.455 that we eventually meet demand as we 03:19:00.479 --> 03:19:02.455 approach this issue and hopefully there 03:19:02.479 --> 03:19:04.375 are more solutions. 03:19:04.399 --> 03:19:06.136 um you know like obviously the best way 03:19:06.160 --> 03:19:07.816 is to get get rid of plastics from 03:19:07.840 --> 03:19:09.576 packaging like we see it a lot in our 03:19:09.600 --> 03:19:11.576 items that we buy for supermarkets and I 03:19:11.600 --> 03:19:14.600 think packaging of products that we buy 03:19:14.720 --> 03:19:17.576 um is getting better. Um but I this is 03:19:17.600 --> 03:19:19.415 just my observation. I I just find on 03:19:19.439 --> 03:19:21.176 weekends we all we're all consumers. We 03:19:21.200 --> 03:19:22.776 all we all go to the retailers and on 03:19:22.800 --> 03:19:24.856 the weekends we buy lots of stuff and 03:19:24.880 --> 03:19:26.856 then it seems like you know a few months 03:19:26.880 --> 03:19:28.295 down the track we're we're putting all 03:19:28.319 --> 03:19:30.375 our hard rubbish out hard rubbish out 03:19:30.399 --> 03:19:32.056 from stuff we bought last year and it's 03:19:32.080 --> 03:19:34.136 a bit of a cycle and so what and that 03:19:34.160 --> 03:19:36.856 normally goes to landfill. So look I 03:19:36.880 --> 03:19:38.215 suppose the message I'm saying is we 03:19:38.239 --> 03:19:40.295 have to start reusing things and getting 03:19:40.319 --> 03:19:41.736 them into the circular economy. That's 03:19:41.760 --> 03:19:44.696 the key point. Um and we had a go at 03:19:44.720 --> 03:19:46.455 this and maybe it's not the right time 03:19:46.479 --> 03:19:48.616 now, but um as we move forward, we're 03:19:48.640 --> 03:19:50.936 going to the community will expect us to 03:19:50.960 --> 03:19:53.816 do these things and hopefully um if 03:19:53.840 --> 03:19:56.455 we're doing it on behalf of um retailers 03:19:56.479 --> 03:19:59.479 or industry that we're we're getting um 03:19:59.760 --> 03:20:02.455 paid to do it as well in some way 03:20:02.479 --> 03:20:03.976 through the market because that that 03:20:04.000 --> 03:20:05.496 that's the chAllange for council. We're 03:20:05.520 --> 03:20:08.056 we're expected to do more but we're not 03:20:08.080 --> 03:20:09.896 getting any all the rate payers are 03:20:09.920 --> 03:20:12.215 paying for it. today though. Um I think 03:20:12.239 --> 03:20:13.896 the funding model is very important as 03:20:13.920 --> 03:20:16.295 well. Thank you. 03:20:16.319 --> 03:20:17.816 Thank you councelor Martin. Would anyone 03:20:17.840 --> 03:20:19.176 else like to speak to the motion? 03:20:19.200 --> 03:20:20.455 Mayor just briefly. 03:20:20.479 --> 03:20:21.335 Council cuts. 03:20:21.359 --> 03:20:22.856 Thank you. Look, I would like to thank 03:20:22.880 --> 03:20:25.335 one of our community members an Majani 03:20:25.359 --> 03:20:28.359 where this is originated from. um she 03:20:28.399 --> 03:20:30.856 brought this to um council's environment 03:20:30.880 --> 03:20:32.536 and sustainability committee when I was 03:20:32.560 --> 03:20:34.936 chair and working with councelor Simpson 03:20:34.960 --> 03:20:37.960 and um so I think her this is this is 03:20:38.479 --> 03:20:40.056 something that we need to acknowledge as 03:20:40.080 --> 03:20:43.080 well that many of our ideas um come from 03:20:43.279 --> 03:20:45.255 our community and we thank an for that 03:20:45.279 --> 03:20:47.736 but times have changed since that back 03:20:47.760 --> 03:20:49.335 then in 18 months and things have 03:20:49.359 --> 03:20:51.496 changed and we've got the report and 03:20:51.520 --> 03:20:53.976 it's not something that is feasible at 03:20:54.000 --> 03:20:55.496 the moment we thank her for bringing 03:20:55.520 --> 03:20:56.856 that to our attention and that's what 03:20:56.880 --> 03:20:59.880 our advisory groups of for is to bring 03:21:00.000 --> 03:21:01.816 up these ideas which that can they 03:21:01.840 --> 03:21:03.576 brought up to council for discussion. So 03:21:03.600 --> 03:21:05.896 we thank all our advisory members for 03:21:05.920 --> 03:21:07.736 their volunteering as well. Just pop 03:21:07.760 --> 03:21:09.576 that in too. Thank you Mayor. 03:21:09.600 --> 03:21:11.176 Thank you very much councelor cuts. 03:21:11.200 --> 03:21:12.455 Would anyone else like to speak to the 03:21:12.479 --> 03:21:14.696 motion given that there was no one 03:21:14.720 --> 03:21:15.976 speaking against? I'll now put the 03:21:16.000 --> 03:21:18.776 motion. All those in favor 03:21:18.800 --> 03:21:20.696 unanimously 03:21:20.720 --> 03:21:23.720 passed. 03:21:26.399 --> 03:21:28.856 Item 10.4, update on community men's 03:21:28.880 --> 03:21:31.176 sheds. Could I have a council move the 03:21:31.200 --> 03:21:31.736 item? 03:21:31.760 --> 03:21:32.776 Happy to move, Mayor. 03:21:32.800 --> 03:21:34.616 Thank you, councelor Cuts and second. 03:21:34.640 --> 03:21:35.415 Seconded, Mayor. 03:21:35.439 --> 03:21:38.439 Thank you, councelor Griffiths. 03:21:39.680 --> 03:21:41.255 Thank you, Mayor. I'm pleased to speak 03:21:41.279 --> 03:21:42.856 in support of this report, which 03:21:42.880 --> 03:21:44.856 provides an important overview of the 03:21:44.880 --> 03:21:47.176 four community men sheds operating 03:21:47.200 --> 03:21:49.415 across White Horse, the chAllanges they 03:21:49.439 --> 03:21:51.176 face, and the opportunities available to 03:21:51.200 --> 03:21:53.976 support their long-term sustainability. 03:21:54.000 --> 03:21:56.056 So AC across White House we have the 03:21:56.080 --> 03:21:57.896 Health Ability White Horse Community 03:21:57.920 --> 03:22:00.856 Shed, the Village Well Community Shed, 03:22:00.880 --> 03:22:02.536 which is in Boxhill Community Arts 03:22:02.560 --> 03:22:04.696 Center area, the Forest Hillwood 03:22:04.720 --> 03:22:07.255 Turners, and the Vermont Menshed, which 03:22:07.279 --> 03:22:09.335 each provide unique opportunities for 03:22:09.359 --> 03:22:11.016 social connection, lifelong learning, 03:22:11.040 --> 03:22:13.415 and community participation. And 03:22:13.439 --> 03:22:15.736 together, they support hundreds of 03:22:15.760 --> 03:22:17.496 residents and make an enormous 03:22:17.520 --> 03:22:19.816 contribution to community well-being. 03:22:19.840 --> 03:22:21.976 Their members share their skills and 03:22:22.000 --> 03:22:23.816 knowledge, create meaningful social 03:22:23.840 --> 03:22:25.415 connections, and provide welcoming 03:22:25.439 --> 03:22:26.696 environments for people of all 03:22:26.720 --> 03:22:29.016 backgrounds, abilities, and life 03:22:29.040 --> 03:22:31.335 experiences. And these sheds play an 03:22:31.359 --> 03:22:33.096 increasingly important role in our 03:22:33.120 --> 03:22:35.255 municipality, particularly as our 03:22:35.279 --> 03:22:38.136 population ages, and as more people seek 03:22:38.160 --> 03:22:39.656 opportunities to remain active, 03:22:39.680 --> 03:22:41.255 connected, and engaged within their 03:22:41.279 --> 03:22:43.176 local community. 03:22:43.200 --> 03:22:46.056 And for me, this report is also personal 03:22:46.080 --> 03:22:48.295 because since 2020, the local government 03:22:48.319 --> 03:22:50.295 election, when I became councelor 03:22:50.319 --> 03:22:52.056 representing the area south of 03:22:52.080 --> 03:22:54.375 Canterbury Road in Vermont, I've had the 03:22:54.399 --> 03:22:55.896 privilege of working closely with the 03:22:55.920 --> 03:22:58.375 Vermont menshed and getting to know me 03:22:58.399 --> 03:22:59.976 many of its members, including the 03:23:00.000 --> 03:23:02.536 president, David Lewis. Over that time, 03:23:02.560 --> 03:23:04.455 I've seen firsthand the extraordinary 03:23:04.479 --> 03:23:06.616 value this organization brings to our 03:23:06.640 --> 03:23:09.096 community. One of the most impressive 03:23:09.120 --> 03:23:10.936 examples is the shed's partnership with 03:23:10.960 --> 03:23:13.176 Vermont Secondary College. Through the 03:23:13.200 --> 03:23:15.976 year 12 vocational pathway program, 03:23:16.000 --> 03:23:17.656 students attend the shed over several 03:23:17.680 --> 03:23:19.496 weeks working alongside members on 03:23:19.520 --> 03:23:21.576 practical projects. These sessions 03:23:21.600 --> 03:23:23.496 provide valuable hands-on experience 03:23:23.520 --> 03:23:25.255 while creating meaningful mentoring 03:23:25.279 --> 03:23:27.976 relationships between generations. 03:23:28.000 --> 03:23:29.656 Students learn practical skills, 03:23:29.680 --> 03:23:31.335 teamwork, and confidence while shed 03:23:31.359 --> 03:23:33.176 members have the opportunity to pass on 03:23:33.200 --> 03:23:35.255 their knowledge and experience. Together 03:23:35.279 --> 03:23:37.255 they've built something like 12 bench 03:23:37.279 --> 03:23:39.176 seats which are actually used by Vermont 03:23:39.200 --> 03:23:40.536 Secondary College. It's absolutely 03:23:40.560 --> 03:23:42.776 fabulous. In addition, members have 03:23:42.800 --> 03:23:45.255 created street libraries. They've built 03:23:45.279 --> 03:23:47.896 mud kitchens for kinders, produce letter 03:23:47.920 --> 03:23:49.896 boxes, and even possum boxes for 03:23:49.920 --> 03:23:52.295 Wildlife Victoria, contributing 03:23:52.319 --> 03:23:54.136 council's volunteer hours to projects 03:23:54.160 --> 03:23:56.455 that support local organizations. These 03:23:56.479 --> 03:23:58.856 are practical examples of community 03:23:58.880 --> 03:24:01.255 building in action. 03:24:01.279 --> 03:24:02.616 For several years, the members have 03:24:02.640 --> 03:24:03.976 known that their current home at 03:24:04.000 --> 03:24:05.896 Canterbury Road, Vermont Vermont would 03:24:05.920 --> 03:24:08.136 eventually be sold, and the Vermont 03:24:08.160 --> 03:24:09.736 menshed understood that they would need 03:24:09.760 --> 03:24:11.576 to relocate. 03:24:11.600 --> 03:24:12.936 They've worked collaboratively with 03:24:12.960 --> 03:24:14.936 Cape, which is formerly Nadrasa towards 03:24:14.960 --> 03:24:17.096 a potential move to the Morak Road farm 03:24:17.120 --> 03:24:19.255 site, and there was genuine hope that a 03:24:19.279 --> 03:24:21.496 long-term solution could be achieved. 03:24:21.520 --> 03:24:23.736 Unfortunately, those plans could not be 03:24:23.760 --> 03:24:26.375 proceeded with when anticipated, state 03:24:26.399 --> 03:24:29.096 government funding did not eventuate. 03:24:29.120 --> 03:24:30.776 Since then, the Vermont menshed has 03:24:30.800 --> 03:24:32.375 found itself in an increasingly 03:24:32.399 --> 03:24:35.016 difficult situation. Together, the shed 03:24:35.040 --> 03:24:37.096 committee council officers headed by 03:24:37.120 --> 03:24:39.656 Helen Ellis, who's done an amazing job, 03:24:39.680 --> 03:24:42.375 have explored numerous possibilities. 03:24:42.399 --> 03:24:44.215 Potential sites have been investigated, 03:24:44.239 --> 03:24:45.896 including the Mountain View Cottage in 03:24:45.920 --> 03:24:48.056 Nanaing, the former Greenkeepers 03:24:48.080 --> 03:24:49.976 residence at Sparks Reserve in Alburn 03:24:50.000 --> 03:24:52.536 Road, Box Hill. But each option appeared 03:24:52.560 --> 03:24:54.295 promising yet ultimately proved 03:24:54.319 --> 03:24:55.976 unsuitable. 03:24:56.000 --> 03:24:58.375 Today, the reality is that the Vermont 03:24:58.399 --> 03:25:00.536 men sheds require certainty about its 03:25:00.560 --> 03:25:03.016 future. Without a suitable home, up to 03:25:03.040 --> 03:25:05.016 80 members, including men living with 03:25:05.040 --> 03:25:07.096 disabilities, could lose a place that 03:25:07.120 --> 03:25:08.696 has become an important part of their 03:25:08.720 --> 03:25:11.016 lives and well-being. For some members, 03:25:11.040 --> 03:25:12.536 attending their shed may be the most 03:25:12.560 --> 03:25:14.616 important social interaction they've had 03:25:14.640 --> 03:25:17.176 all week. It may be the only place where 03:25:17.200 --> 03:25:18.616 they feel connected, valued, and 03:25:18.640 --> 03:25:20.936 understood. And that is why this report 03:25:20.960 --> 03:25:23.816 is so important. This report recommends 03:25:23.840 --> 03:25:25.415 providing the Vermont menshed 03:25:25.439 --> 03:25:27.576 accommodation at the Warowong Annex in 03:25:27.600 --> 03:25:29.736 Blackburn South in the short term, 03:25:29.760 --> 03:25:31.816 ensuring the Vermont menshed are not 03:25:31.840 --> 03:25:33.816 left high and dry, as well as a 03:25:33.840 --> 03:25:35.576 commitment to ensuring the needs of all 03:25:35.600 --> 03:25:38.375 community sheds are fully considered. 03:25:38.399 --> 03:25:40.536 Tonight, I'm pleased to support this 03:25:40.560 --> 03:25:42.056 report because it demonstrates that 03:25:42.080 --> 03:25:44.056 council recognizes both the chAllanges 03:25:44.080 --> 03:25:46.536 and opportunities before us. It provides 03:25:46.560 --> 03:25:48.936 a framework to help safeguard the future 03:25:48.960 --> 03:25:50.856 of the community mensheds across white 03:25:50.880 --> 03:25:52.856 horse and gives us a foundation from 03:25:52.880 --> 03:25:54.616 which we can continue working towards 03:25:54.640 --> 03:25:56.936 solutions for groups such as the Vermont 03:25:56.960 --> 03:25:59.960 menshed. These organization enrich our 03:26:00.080 --> 03:26:02.616 municipality every single day. They 03:26:02.640 --> 03:26:04.455 deserve our support and they deserve a 03:26:04.479 --> 03:26:06.215 sustainable future. I commend the 03:26:06.239 --> 03:26:07.896 report. Thank you. 03:26:07.920 --> 03:26:10.856 Thank you councelor Katz. Councelor 03:26:10.880 --> 03:26:11.816 Griffiths 03:26:11.840 --> 03:26:13.816 just briefly may I just want to touch on 03:26:13.840 --> 03:26:16.136 a couple of things. what mainly focused 03:26:16.160 --> 03:26:18.375 on um the rehousing of the Vermont men's 03:26:18.399 --> 03:26:21.399 shed at Warong Annex. Um currently that 03:26:22.239 --> 03:26:24.696 site is underutilized. It's used by the 03:26:24.720 --> 03:26:26.856 wood turners I think two days a week and 03:26:26.880 --> 03:26:28.936 there's a couple of other regular 03:26:28.960 --> 03:26:31.960 short-term bookings weekly or less 03:26:32.399 --> 03:26:35.399 frequently. Um sympathetic that those 03:26:35.520 --> 03:26:38.056 groups might need relocating, rehousing. 03:26:38.080 --> 03:26:39.896 I'm sure council will do a good job of 03:26:39.920 --> 03:26:42.920 finding alternative venues to hire. Um 03:26:43.680 --> 03:26:46.215 but the use by the wood turners having 03:26:46.239 --> 03:26:49.239 visited the site it's clear that um 03:26:49.840 --> 03:26:52.840 having something dedicated to that sort 03:26:52.960 --> 03:26:55.896 of activity on a full-time basis just 03:26:55.920 --> 03:26:58.776 makes sense with the dust equipment and 03:26:58.800 --> 03:27:00.776 the activities are going on. It's a real 03:27:00.800 --> 03:27:02.856 natural fit to have another menshed 03:27:02.880 --> 03:27:04.696 group at that site which is currently 03:27:04.720 --> 03:27:07.096 underutilized. So I'm quite excited um 03:27:07.120 --> 03:27:09.816 to support that. the 60 grand I 03:27:09.840 --> 03:27:11.335 thought sounded a lot, but if we're 03:27:11.359 --> 03:27:13.176 going to take this seriously, we do need 03:27:13.200 --> 03:27:15.976 to look into it and refer any 03:27:16.000 --> 03:27:18.616 recommendations to capital works program 03:27:18.640 --> 03:27:19.976 in the future. It's really good that 03:27:20.000 --> 03:27:23.000 council's starting to um look at the men 03:27:24.640 --> 03:27:26.776 sheds across White Horse and what sort 03:27:26.800 --> 03:27:29.800 of support we may be looking to um to 03:27:30.080 --> 03:27:33.080 provide. Um, also worth considering that 03:27:33.359 --> 03:27:35.976 there are external funding opportunities 03:27:36.000 --> 03:27:37.656 for menshed and we should be quite 03:27:37.680 --> 03:27:39.415 proactive, I believe, in supporting 03:27:39.439 --> 03:27:41.255 them, particularly if they're going to 03:27:41.279 --> 03:27:44.279 lead to developments on council land. 03:27:45.439 --> 03:27:46.776 Thank you, Councelor Griffiths. Would 03:27:46.800 --> 03:27:48.696 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:27:48.720 --> 03:27:49.736 , yes, Mayor. 03:27:49.760 --> 03:27:50.776 Councelor Simpson. 03:27:50.800 --> 03:27:52.375 Thank you, Mayor. Um, councelor Cuts 03:27:52.399 --> 03:27:53.496 already mentioned this in her moving 03:27:53.520 --> 03:27:55.255 speech, but I too want to really 03:27:55.279 --> 03:27:56.856 acknowledge the effort of Helen Ellis 03:27:56.880 --> 03:27:58.536 and all the support she's been giving to 03:27:58.560 --> 03:28:00.295 the men's sheds. This has not been an 03:28:00.319 --> 03:28:02.936 easy task to engage with. The sheds have 03:28:02.960 --> 03:28:05.960 um you know large footprint machinery. 03:28:06.000 --> 03:28:07.496 There's as councelor Griffiths mentioned 03:28:07.520 --> 03:28:09.656 there's there dust, sawdust, etc. And 03:28:09.680 --> 03:28:11.576 and therefore finding a location that's 03:28:11.600 --> 03:28:13.335 suitable for them has been a difficult 03:28:13.359 --> 03:28:16.359 task, but she Helen has persevered. Um 03:28:16.399 --> 03:28:19.176 she has taken this on and I really just 03:28:19.200 --> 03:28:20.536 want to acknowledge her efforts and I 03:28:20.560 --> 03:28:22.536 hope in the end we do find a home for 03:28:22.560 --> 03:28:24.295 the shed. Thank you, Mayor. 03:28:24.319 --> 03:28:25.415 Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would 03:28:25.439 --> 03:28:27.255 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:28:27.279 --> 03:28:29.896 Madame, may I have an amendment five? 03:28:29.920 --> 03:28:31.496 Explain the amendment. 03:28:31.520 --> 03:28:34.520 , Madame May. Well, 03:28:35.279 --> 03:28:38.056 um, it's it's it's to it's virtually 03:28:38.080 --> 03:28:39.816 adding to the what what's already there, 03:28:39.840 --> 03:28:41.576 but as you can see, it's installed a 03:28:41.600 --> 03:28:44.600 shed 3 by 3x3 m shed for mainly for 03:28:47.040 --> 03:28:49.976 storage. as I've said without 03:28:50.000 --> 03:28:51.736 going in the purpose of debate it it's 03:28:51.760 --> 03:28:53.656 and I I have consulted the officers with 03:28:53.680 --> 03:28:56.680 this in both how it would could be 03:28:56.880 --> 03:28:59.176 accommodated there and also with the 03:28:59.200 --> 03:29:01.415 costings as well. So I have gone through 03:29:01.439 --> 03:29:03.656 that particular process. 03:29:03.680 --> 03:29:05.496 Thank you council Allan. Council cuts do 03:29:05.520 --> 03:29:08.520 you agree to amendment? Um 03:29:09.359 --> 03:29:10.696 I will. 03:29:10.720 --> 03:29:12.616 Thank you council cuts. Council Griffiths 03:29:12.640 --> 03:29:14.056 do you agree amendment? 03:29:14.080 --> 03:29:17.080 I'm not sure so I'm going to say no. 03:29:17.120 --> 03:29:19.016 We now go to the debate on the 03:29:19.040 --> 03:29:21.576 amendment. Councelor Allan, I need a 03:29:21.600 --> 03:29:23.415 seconder. 03:29:23.439 --> 03:29:24.776 Thank you, Council Barker. 03:29:24.800 --> 03:29:26.776 Thank Thank you. thank you, Madame 03:29:26.800 --> 03:29:29.576 May. This um this this amendment, what 03:29:29.600 --> 03:29:32.215 I'm trying to do is as as has been it 03:29:32.239 --> 03:29:34.295 was alluded to in in with the questions 03:29:34.319 --> 03:29:37.319 actually um when the Carolyn Hall 03:29:37.840 --> 03:29:40.056 from Boxill North asked the questions 03:29:40.080 --> 03:29:43.080 about about the viability of of 03:29:43.920 --> 03:29:46.215 of this this particular chip. It it it 03:29:46.239 --> 03:29:48.375 is a smaller shed and as I said it has 03:29:48.399 --> 03:29:50.936 been accommodated at the at the Boxill 03:29:50.960 --> 03:29:53.656 Community Arts Center. Um it hasn't got 03:29:53.680 --> 03:29:55.656 that many members. That's for that's 03:29:55.680 --> 03:29:58.680 that's true. But what um it a lot of it 03:29:59.359 --> 03:30:01.656 was funded by the the bapt the 03:30:01.680 --> 03:30:04.680 Baptist church in Boxill and um and 03:30:05.520 --> 03:30:07.656 unfortunately like a lot of these 03:30:07.680 --> 03:30:10.680 particular situations I suppose much the 03:30:11.200 --> 03:30:13.496 same as the Vermont men's shed that they 03:30:13.520 --> 03:30:15.255 they're unfortunately may may be able 03:30:15.279 --> 03:30:17.896 they may be ceasing their their 03:30:17.920 --> 03:30:20.920 support of the actual shed the 03:30:22.640 --> 03:30:23.976 community shed. This is a little bit 03:30:24.000 --> 03:30:25.415 different from a men's shed because it 03:30:25.439 --> 03:30:27.335 cuz it it's not exactly dedicated to 03:30:27.359 --> 03:30:29.415 men. It's it's open to everybody. That's 03:30:29.439 --> 03:30:31.255 why it's called a community shed. So 03:30:31.279 --> 03:30:32.776 there's actually I think this might be 03:30:32.800 --> 03:30:34.455 there might be more women involved than 03:30:34.479 --> 03:30:37.479 there are men at this particular 03:30:37.520 --> 03:30:40.520 shed. Um, so it it's fairly broad-based 03:30:41.279 --> 03:30:43.896 um that they do have um it's open to 03:30:43.920 --> 03:30:46.776 everybody as I said, but what it what it 03:30:46.800 --> 03:30:49.096 really determines is that um and has 03:30:49.120 --> 03:30:51.656 been said by that question, but that 03:30:51.680 --> 03:30:54.375 this $60,000 in in the substantive 03:30:54.399 --> 03:30:56.936 motion doesn't allocate any funds for 03:30:56.960 --> 03:30:59.960 this expanding down there at the 03:31:00.479 --> 03:31:03.335 at the Boxill Community Arts Center. And 03:31:03.359 --> 03:31:05.496 as I said, I have consulted the officers 03:31:05.520 --> 03:31:08.520 on this that um in this would help it 03:31:09.120 --> 03:31:11.415 somewhere somewhere along the track 03:31:11.439 --> 03:31:13.016 without a you know, the last thing we 03:31:13.040 --> 03:31:15.816 want is one of these folding. And I 03:31:15.840 --> 03:31:18.455 think that this this is it's it's 6,000. 03:31:18.479 --> 03:31:20.136 I know it's it's probably one of the 03:31:20.160 --> 03:31:21.816 most cheapest 03:31:21.840 --> 03:31:24.840 asking for funds that I've ever 03:31:25.120 --> 03:31:28.120 put up apart from a a $2,000 bench in at 03:31:28.560 --> 03:31:31.560 Sar Park. Anyway, um the besides besides 03:31:32.960 --> 03:31:35.960 that point, I think that um it would go 03:31:36.720 --> 03:31:39.720 somewhere to to keep this particular 03:31:39.840 --> 03:31:42.616 shed viable. Um they will be able to 03:31:42.640 --> 03:31:45.176 expand. You see, it's a small shed 03:31:45.200 --> 03:31:47.656 they've got there now. Um and don't 03:31:47.680 --> 03:31:50.056 forget previously that the previous shed 03:31:50.080 --> 03:31:52.696 did fold about 8 years ago and it was 03:31:52.720 --> 03:31:54.936 only taken up about two years ago with 03:31:54.960 --> 03:31:56.856 with the church. And it mainly to do 03:31:56.880 --> 03:31:59.096 with the space that they've got they 03:31:59.120 --> 03:32:01.496 haven't got the space to do their do 03:32:01.520 --> 03:32:04.215 what normal you know sheds do because a 03:32:04.239 --> 03:32:06.375 lot of it is taken up with storage. So 03:32:06.399 --> 03:32:09.016 it's a sort of a you know they're at 03:32:09.040 --> 03:32:10.536 each other's throats so to speak as far 03:32:10.560 --> 03:32:13.016 as space and able to function properly. 03:32:13.040 --> 03:32:16.040 So, what this is is this $6,000 to to 03:32:17.520 --> 03:32:20.136 to build more storage space that 03:32:20.160 --> 03:32:23.160 therefore they can have a viable 03:32:24.000 --> 03:32:26.056 shed with with their members and do 03:32:26.080 --> 03:32:27.816 what they're supposed to do. And that 03:32:27.840 --> 03:32:29.896 that's all I'm asking here, Madame 03:32:29.920 --> 03:32:32.776 Mayor. Um and as it says here, subject 03:32:32.800 --> 03:32:35.176 to the suitable site being agreed. 03:32:35.200 --> 03:32:37.816 So, it's $6,000, but it will go a long 03:32:37.840 --> 03:32:39.415 way to keeping this particular shed 03:32:39.439 --> 03:32:42.439 viable. much the same way in in the 03:32:42.880 --> 03:32:44.776 bigger in the bigger picture I suppose 03:32:44.800 --> 03:32:46.936 with the Vermont men's shed going down 03:32:46.960 --> 03:32:49.960 to to Warawong. So I think overall it 03:32:50.399 --> 03:32:52.215 it's helping both sheds out and I think 03:32:52.239 --> 03:32:55.239 you know $60,000 there $6,000 here to 03:32:56.160 --> 03:32:59.016 to keep this shed viable madame may so I 03:32:59.040 --> 03:33:00.776 commend this particular amendment. Thank 03:33:00.800 --> 03:33:01.415 you. 03:33:01.439 --> 03:33:02.776 Thank you councelor Allan. Councelor 03:33:02.800 --> 03:33:03.255 Barker. 03:33:03.279 --> 03:33:04.936 Thanks Mayor. I think probably the first 03:33:04.960 --> 03:33:06.295 time I've ever supported one of 03:33:06.319 --> 03:33:07.976 councelor Ellen's initiatives which 03:33:08.000 --> 03:33:10.295 which might surprise a few people here 03:33:10.319 --> 03:33:13.255 but um make a couple of points. One a 03:33:13.279 --> 03:33:16.279 number many many the ladies from my 03:33:16.560 --> 03:33:19.560 ward attend this shed and they make um 03:33:20.479 --> 03:33:23.479 pawsome boxes and one of them's 03:33:23.680 --> 03:33:26.680 restoring a um like a phone box from um 03:33:28.160 --> 03:33:30.936 Doctor Who. Amazing people and I know 03:33:30.960 --> 03:33:33.960 Ms. Hall well. She's an absolute force 03:33:34.080 --> 03:33:37.080 of nature and has delivered some amazing 03:33:38.479 --> 03:33:40.936 support and services to our offices 03:33:40.960 --> 03:33:43.176 particularly about the shared user path 03:33:43.200 --> 03:33:45.335 and park on the northeast link and any 03:33:45.359 --> 03:33:48.136 number of project former member of the 03:33:48.160 --> 03:33:51.160 doministic animal management thing 03:33:51.279 --> 03:33:53.976 force of nature it will go well um but 03:33:54.000 --> 03:33:56.215 and I'm happy to support the $6,000 03:33:56.239 --> 03:33:57.896 right 03:33:57.920 --> 03:34:00.056 we need to understand and I accept that 03:34:00.080 --> 03:34:01.415 we're probably kicking the can down the 03:34:01.439 --> 03:34:04.439 road a little bit with this. However, 03:34:04.560 --> 03:34:07.560 and we've spoken about our neighborhood 03:34:07.680 --> 03:34:09.496 houses, haven't we? And there will be 03:34:09.520 --> 03:34:11.335 those opportunities cuz we've got these 03:34:11.359 --> 03:34:13.496 disperate groups, whether it's the green 03:34:13.520 --> 03:34:15.176 links or the neighborhood houses, the 03:34:15.200 --> 03:34:18.200 men's sheds. They're often uni uni 3A. 03:34:18.560 --> 03:34:20.856 They're all often sort of competing with 03:34:20.880 --> 03:34:22.856 one another in a similar sort of space, 03:34:22.880 --> 03:34:24.455 but there's an opportunity for real 03:34:24.479 --> 03:34:27.096 symbiosis with them when we can sort of 03:34:27.120 --> 03:34:29.096 colllocate them. and you go, you might 03:34:29.120 --> 03:34:30.776 want to go along to learn French at the 03:34:30.800 --> 03:34:33.255 U3A council Allan and then practice 03:34:33.279 --> 03:34:35.896 making a possum box in Spanish that 03:34:35.920 --> 03:34:38.920 afternoon. But that's where I think 03:34:39.600 --> 03:34:42.295 we've we we need to be really creative 03:34:42.319 --> 03:34:45.319 and strategic and thoughtful about 03:34:45.520 --> 03:34:47.415 knocking these off one at a time. I 03:34:47.439 --> 03:34:49.255 think that community arts space, that 03:34:49.279 --> 03:34:51.656 spot there, has got a lot of potential. 03:34:51.680 --> 03:34:54.056 I think we own the property next door 03:34:54.080 --> 03:34:56.215 that is surplus to needs. how that 03:34:56.239 --> 03:34:58.536 looks. You know, that that's where the 03:34:58.560 --> 03:35:00.616 officers need to be really creative what 03:35:00.640 --> 03:35:03.255 we can consolidate there and make it 03:35:03.279 --> 03:35:04.856 amazing because we can see the things 03:35:04.880 --> 03:35:07.255 that we're doing at Nawing Hub. People 03:35:07.279 --> 03:35:09.176 are polishing gemstones up there and 03:35:09.200 --> 03:35:11.016 doing all sorts of stuff and you know 03:35:11.040 --> 03:35:12.455 how symbiotic that is. I'm not 03:35:12.479 --> 03:35:15.479 suggesting we redo that, but um that's 03:35:15.840 --> 03:35:17.415 the sense I'm doing. So, it's look, it's 03:35:17.439 --> 03:35:19.176 an interim measure. We'll always be able 03:35:19.200 --> 03:35:21.896 to use a shed. We we take it down in 3 03:35:21.920 --> 03:35:24.920 years. we put it to the the um the depo 03:35:25.279 --> 03:35:26.936 please support it. Congratulations 03:35:26.960 --> 03:35:28.936 councel. 03:35:28.960 --> 03:35:30.375 Thank you councelor Bark. Would anyone 03:35:30.399 --> 03:35:31.576 else like to speak to the amendment? 03:35:31.600 --> 03:35:34.056 Yes. Thank you. 03:35:34.080 --> 03:35:35.415 Councelor Stennett. 03:35:35.439 --> 03:35:37.496 Thank you Mayor. Um I have a concern 03:35:37.520 --> 03:35:40.375 about the um amendment 03:35:40.399 --> 03:35:43.176 um and I'd like to foreshadow an 03:35:43.200 --> 03:35:46.056 amendment um is that it's inconsistent 03:35:46.080 --> 03:35:47.736 with point number two in the way that's 03:35:47.760 --> 03:35:50.536 worded. Um the point number two is that 03:35:50.560 --> 03:35:52.056 it considers the inclusion of an 03:35:52.080 --> 03:35:55.080 allocation whereas F five just says just 03:35:55.359 --> 03:35:58.295 spend the money install it um and we're 03:35:58.319 --> 03:35:59.496 going to we're going to put it in the 03:35:59.520 --> 03:36:01.415 budget and you know we're not we're not 03:36:01.439 --> 03:36:03.496 going to actually consider it. I I don't 03:36:03.520 --> 03:36:05.096 really know enough about it to be honest 03:36:05.120 --> 03:36:06.856 to make a decision tonight. We we spend 03:36:06.880 --> 03:36:08.455 a lot of time in the budget going 03:36:08.479 --> 03:36:11.255 through various items and I'd like to 03:36:11.279 --> 03:36:13.576 I'd love to have to be able to come to a 03:36:13.600 --> 03:36:15.496 council meeting and just have whatever I 03:36:15.520 --> 03:36:18.215 like um considered out of the budget 03:36:18.239 --> 03:36:20.295 cycle or whatever, but I don't think 03:36:20.319 --> 03:36:23.319 it's the right process. I'd like um I 03:36:24.080 --> 03:36:25.816 think it'd be better if it considers the 03:36:25.840 --> 03:36:28.776 inclusion um rather than install. So 03:36:28.800 --> 03:36:30.136 that's my issue with it. Thank you, 03:36:30.160 --> 03:36:32.136 ma'am. 03:36:32.160 --> 03:36:33.496 Thank you, Councelor Stannard. Would 03:36:33.520 --> 03:36:34.776 anyone else like to speak to the 03:36:34.800 --> 03:36:36.536 amendments? , yes, Mayor. 03:36:36.560 --> 03:36:37.976 Councelor Davenport, 03:36:38.000 --> 03:36:39.496 I'm opposed to the amendment because 03:36:39.520 --> 03:36:41.176 there's no chance that we're going to 03:36:41.200 --> 03:36:43.976 get it done for $6,000 on a site that's 03:36:44.000 --> 03:36:46.776 got a heritage overlay. Councilors, when 03:36:46.800 --> 03:36:49.800 you install a shed or some other type of 03:36:50.000 --> 03:36:52.936 out building on a Boxill Community Art 03:36:52.960 --> 03:36:54.616 Center that has a heritage overlay, 03:36:54.640 --> 03:36:56.375 you're going to have to get a planning 03:36:56.399 --> 03:36:58.856 permit. You're going to have to engage a 03:36:58.880 --> 03:37:01.880 heritage advisor to make sure that hedge 03:37:02.080 --> 03:37:04.215 is sympathetic with the surrounds. 03:37:04.239 --> 03:37:05.896 You're never going to do that for 03:37:05.920 --> 03:37:07.496 $6,000. 03:37:07.520 --> 03:37:10.520 To say you can is going to be quite 03:37:10.720 --> 03:37:13.016 extraordinary in my view. Councelor 03:37:13.040 --> 03:37:14.856 Owen, if there wasn't a heritage 03:37:14.880 --> 03:37:16.696 overlay, I'd be backing this motion 03:37:16.720 --> 03:37:18.136 through and through. But because there 03:37:18.160 --> 03:37:19.736 is, perhaps perhaps get rid of the 03:37:19.760 --> 03:37:22.760 heritage. Then I'll back your motion. 03:37:23.920 --> 03:37:25.255 It's a bit hard. Council 03:37:25.279 --> 03:37:27.496 Bouncer, we now in terms of the 03:37:27.520 --> 03:37:28.776 amendment, please. 03:37:28.800 --> 03:37:31.096 You're never going to do it for 6,000. 03:37:31.120 --> 03:37:33.816 You'll get maybe the heritage advisor's 03:37:33.840 --> 03:37:36.840 reply to have make sure the shed's fine 03:37:37.279 --> 03:37:39.096 for six grand. It's going to be more 03:37:39.120 --> 03:37:42.120 like 30 grand. I can't support it. Not 03:37:42.399 --> 03:37:44.776 in a heritage um not where you've got a 03:37:44.800 --> 03:37:47.096 heritage overlay. Sorry, councelor 03:37:47.120 --> 03:37:50.120 Ellen. Heritage night tonight. These are 03:37:50.160 --> 03:37:51.736 one of the reasons I can't support 03:37:51.760 --> 03:37:54.760 heritage. Thank you. 03:37:55.200 --> 03:37:56.536 Would anyone else like to speak to the 03:37:56.560 --> 03:37:59.560 motion? Council Griffiths. Sorry. Me me 03:37:59.760 --> 03:37:59.761 me me me me me me me me me me me me me 03:37:59.760 --> 03:37:59.896 me me me me me me May me May me may me 03:37:59.920 --> 03:38:00.776 May Simpson 03:38:00.800 --> 03:38:03.496 sorry thank you may um nice comparison 03:38:03.520 --> 03:38:05.335 though um I I feel like I've gone 03:38:05.359 --> 03:38:07.496 through one of those Doctor Who um phone 03:38:07.520 --> 03:38:09.496 boxes because earlier this evening 03:38:09.520 --> 03:38:11.176 councelor Bark you agreed with me and 03:38:11.200 --> 03:38:12.696 you're agreeing with councelor Allan and 03:38:12.720 --> 03:38:14.056 I'm disagreeing with councelor Allan 03:38:14.080 --> 03:38:15.415 it's like what sort of twilight world 03:38:15.439 --> 03:38:17.896 has we have we fAllan into but I don't 03:38:17.920 --> 03:38:20.455 disagree with the the the substance 03:38:20.479 --> 03:38:22.375 of your intent councelor Allan I just 03:38:22.399 --> 03:38:24.056 unfortunately disagree with the process 03:38:24.080 --> 03:38:26.295 here um I think this needs to go into 03:38:26.319 --> 03:38:27.896 the budget it needs to have further 03:38:27.920 --> 03:38:29.096 consideration 03:38:29.120 --> 03:38:31.335 as councelor Allan's already outlined um 03:38:31.359 --> 03:38:32.616 and it needs to be considered as part of 03:38:32.640 --> 03:38:35.016 a holistic piece of work councelor 03:38:35.040 --> 03:38:37.016 Barker mentioned um you know that we own 03:38:37.040 --> 03:38:38.455 the land next door maybe there's 03:38:38.479 --> 03:38:40.856 something more we can do on this site um 03:38:40.880 --> 03:38:43.335 and I'm all for those suggestions but 03:38:43.359 --> 03:38:45.176 therefore we we need to consider that as 03:38:45.200 --> 03:38:47.656 a broader scope of work so I I I love 03:38:47.680 --> 03:38:49.736 the intent and I fully support it but um 03:38:49.760 --> 03:38:52.760 let's bring it into the budget process 03:38:53.120 --> 03:38:54.455 thank you councelor Simpson would anyone 03:38:54.479 --> 03:38:56.455 else like to speak to the amendment 03:38:56.479 --> 03:38:57.255 yes please may 03:38:57.279 --> 03:38:58.455 councelor down. 03:38:58.479 --> 03:39:01.016 I know the hoops that community 03:39:01.040 --> 03:39:03.016 groups have to go through to get a 03:39:03.040 --> 03:39:06.040 community grant approved and this just 03:39:06.080 --> 03:39:07.415 rubs me the wrong way that we're just 03:39:07.439 --> 03:39:10.215 going to red tick six grand of the flick 03:39:10.239 --> 03:39:12.056 of a pen this evening. So I can't 03:39:12.080 --> 03:39:13.736 support it. It's nothing to do with the 03:39:13.760 --> 03:39:16.616 groups, the activities they do, um their 03:39:16.640 --> 03:39:18.696 worth of even having this shed has 03:39:18.720 --> 03:39:20.536 nothing to do with that at all. But in 03:39:20.560 --> 03:39:23.560 terms of fairness, I can't support this. 03:39:23.760 --> 03:39:25.335 Thank you, Councelor Gun. Would anyone 03:39:25.359 --> 03:39:27.576 else like to speak to the amendment? 03:39:27.600 --> 03:39:30.600 Mayor Councelor cuts I was happy to 03:39:31.200 --> 03:39:33.415 incorporate but I have listened to my 03:39:33.439 --> 03:39:35.576 fellow councils and I do have to say 03:39:35.600 --> 03:39:37.656 that you have got very good points here. 03:39:37.680 --> 03:39:40.680 I also note that the um the group is 03:39:41.279 --> 03:39:43.656 only opus till the end of June as well. 03:39:43.680 --> 03:39:46.680 So it hasn't got ongoing um support at 03:39:47.600 --> 03:39:49.016 the moment. That's not saying that it 03:39:49.040 --> 03:39:52.040 won't get that ongoing, but I also feel 03:39:52.399 --> 03:39:54.536 that it it should go through the budget 03:39:54.560 --> 03:39:56.776 process because if there are planning 03:39:56.800 --> 03:39:58.776 matters, which is what we happened at 03:39:58.800 --> 03:40:00.616 the green keepers down in Albian Road, 03:40:00.640 --> 03:40:02.295 Box Hill, they're all exciting. The 03:40:02.319 --> 03:40:05.176 Vermont Men actually um made the place 03:40:05.200 --> 03:40:07.096 secure. They spent time putting boards 03:40:07.120 --> 03:40:09.576 up to stop the homeless people there. 03:40:09.600 --> 03:40:11.335 So, they actually spent money there only 03:40:11.359 --> 03:40:13.335 to find out that there was a planning 03:40:13.359 --> 03:40:15.335 overlay. zone went through the building 03:40:15.359 --> 03:40:16.856 and they could use half but not the 03:40:16.880 --> 03:40:19.576 other half. So I would like to know that 03:40:19.600 --> 03:40:22.455 that the heritage issues there are fully 03:40:22.479 --> 03:40:25.335 compliant. So so I won't be supporting 03:40:25.359 --> 03:40:27.896 this. Sorry councelor Allan. Thank you 03:40:27.920 --> 03:40:29.335 councelor Cuts. Would anyone else like 03:40:29.359 --> 03:40:32.359 to speak to the amendment 03:40:32.720 --> 03:40:34.056 given that it's an amendment? You have 03:40:34.080 --> 03:40:36.215 no right of reply. Council Allan those 03:40:36.239 --> 03:40:38.856 in who for the amendment please raise 03:40:38.880 --> 03:40:41.176 your hands. Council Allan and councelor 03:40:41.200 --> 03:40:43.496 Barker. Those against. Councelor Weller, 03:40:43.520 --> 03:40:45.016 councelor Griffiths, councelor Gun, 03:40:45.040 --> 03:40:46.776 councelor Davenport, Councelor Simpson, 03:40:46.800 --> 03:40:49.656 Council Langford, Councelor Stennett, 03:40:49.680 --> 03:40:52.536 Councelor Katz, and Councelor Martin, 03:40:52.560 --> 03:40:55.560 your amendment is lost. We now 03:40:56.399 --> 03:40:58.056 um return to the substantive 03:40:58.080 --> 03:41:00.136 Mayor I have an amendment. 03:41:00.160 --> 03:41:02.295 Councelor Stenet, 03:41:02.319 --> 03:41:05.319 I'd like to um have a five very similar 03:41:06.000 --> 03:41:09.000 to councelor Allan's um amendment. So 03:41:09.200 --> 03:41:11.576 the wording is virtually the same except 03:41:11.600 --> 03:41:13.896 at the beginning it will say um consider 03:41:13.920 --> 03:41:16.536 consider and takes out the cost of 03:41:16.560 --> 03:41:19.560 the 6,000 specifically. It just refers 03:41:19.760 --> 03:41:22.760 to the cost um to the to the budget. 03:41:25.120 --> 03:41:26.616 Could you please put that up on the 03:41:26.640 --> 03:41:29.640 screen? Thank you. Um Councelor Carts, 03:41:30.560 --> 03:41:33.560 do you agree to this? 03:41:36.080 --> 03:41:37.816 Council 03:41:37.840 --> 03:41:40.840 Griffiths. No. Um, can we have a second 03:41:41.120 --> 03:41:42.056 for the amendment? 03:41:42.080 --> 03:41:42.856 Second, Madam May. 03:41:42.880 --> 03:41:45.880 Council Allan, Council Stenit. 03:41:48.560 --> 03:41:50.536 Um, thank you, Mayor. Um, look, I I 03:41:50.560 --> 03:41:53.415 think it's worthwhile to consider, but 03:41:53.439 --> 03:41:55.415 there's a few people in the room that 03:41:55.439 --> 03:41:57.976 talked about fairness and process, and 03:41:58.000 --> 03:42:00.536 that's fine. Um we're point number two 03:42:00.560 --> 03:42:02.696 we're in we're already saying we're 03:42:02.720 --> 03:42:05.335 considering inclusion of $60,000 03:42:05.359 --> 03:42:08.359 for investigations 03:42:08.399 --> 03:42:10.936 um of and it you know that's just an 03:42:10.960 --> 03:42:13.415 investigation like an exercise doesn't 03:42:13.439 --> 03:42:15.896 actually do anything um like a a shed 03:42:15.920 --> 03:42:18.455 would be quite practical um so I think 03:42:18.479 --> 03:42:21.479 it has equal merit to to consider um 03:42:22.319 --> 03:42:23.896 council doesn't have to go forward with 03:42:23.920 --> 03:42:26.136 it particularly council Davenport is 03:42:26.160 --> 03:42:27.816 correct to say well there's all these 03:42:27.840 --> 03:42:29.096 other things that will add to the cost 03:42:29.120 --> 03:42:32.120 and we just go well um it's not the 03:42:32.479 --> 03:42:34.295 right thing to do on the site or it's 03:42:34.319 --> 03:42:36.696 not the right solution or whatever but 03:42:36.720 --> 03:42:39.720 isn't it worth at least considering um 03:42:40.319 --> 03:42:42.215 and giving ourselves the option if it is 03:42:42.239 --> 03:42:43.976 worthwhile and hearing back from council 03:42:44.000 --> 03:42:46.696 officers thank you ma'am 03:42:46.720 --> 03:42:48.536 thank you councelor Senate councel Allan 03:42:48.560 --> 03:42:50.696 oh well instead of going over the same 03:42:50.720 --> 03:42:53.255 debate but I obviously I would agree 03:42:53.279 --> 03:42:55.656 with I mean obviously that the ca of 03:42:55.680 --> 03:42:58.616 the council is of the opinion that um if 03:42:58.640 --> 03:43:00.936 they do support at least consider the 03:43:00.960 --> 03:43:03.960 installation of this particular shed um 03:43:04.239 --> 03:43:07.239 subject to suitable site being agreed 03:43:07.600 --> 03:43:10.455 and it it doesn't you know it's up to 03:43:10.479 --> 03:43:13.096 the the budget process. So it's what 03:43:13.120 --> 03:43:15.415 all the the points that have been raised 03:43:15.439 --> 03:43:17.656 around the table tonight with the 03:43:17.680 --> 03:43:19.896 previous previous amendment going down. 03:43:19.920 --> 03:43:22.776 I think what councelor Sten has 03:43:22.800 --> 03:43:25.656 done is is gone somewhere along the line 03:43:25.680 --> 03:43:28.295 of sort of let's okay let's not do it 03:43:28.319 --> 03:43:31.255 straight away let's consider it put it 03:43:31.279 --> 03:43:33.415 through the budget process has been has 03:43:33.439 --> 03:43:36.439 been um has been muted and it'll rise 03:43:36.880 --> 03:43:39.656 and fall as part of the the the 03:43:39.680 --> 03:43:41.576 budget process and whatever comes back 03:43:41.600 --> 03:43:43.816 comes back and if it doesn't meet what 03:43:43.840 --> 03:43:46.696 council desires well it'll it'll 03:43:46.720 --> 03:43:49.720 it'll fall otherwise hopefully it 03:43:49.840 --> 03:43:52.215 and when it when it comes back to 03:43:52.239 --> 03:43:54.455 council through the the budget process 03:43:54.479 --> 03:43:56.215 that council will be of a of a 03:43:56.239 --> 03:43:59.016 supportive mind and help this 03:43:59.040 --> 03:44:01.335 particular group out because they're 03:44:01.359 --> 03:44:03.175 really they're really skating on thin 03:44:03.199 --> 03:44:06.199 ice. They're not as substandard as 03:44:06.239 --> 03:44:09.239 the other men's men's sheds. Um and that 03:44:10.319 --> 03:44:13.319 they need the space to fully operate. 03:44:14.000 --> 03:44:16.455 this or this is what this motion does 03:44:16.479 --> 03:44:18.215 or this particular amendment does at 03:44:18.239 --> 03:44:20.776 least le least consider it. So from that 03:44:20.800 --> 03:44:23.800 point of view, I' I'd pray that 03:44:24.160 --> 03:44:27.160 councils will support this particular um 03:44:27.840 --> 03:44:30.455 amendment. Madame May, 03:44:30.479 --> 03:44:33.415 thank you councelor Allan. Anyone else 03:44:33.439 --> 03:44:36.136 who wishes to 03:44:36.160 --> 03:44:37.896 councelor Barker? 03:44:37.920 --> 03:44:40.136 As much as it pains me to say councelor 03:44:40.160 --> 03:44:43.160 Davenport's right. 03:44:43.920 --> 03:44:46.295 You'd recall the University of the Third 03:44:46.319 --> 03:44:49.255 Age building in Mont Albert North may 03:44:49.279 --> 03:44:51.576 used to be part of my ward. One of my 03:44:51.600 --> 03:44:54.295 great budget initiatives was funding a a 03:44:54.319 --> 03:44:56.375 football interchange bench shelter for 03:44:56.399 --> 03:44:58.215 them so that when they came out with 03:44:58.239 --> 03:44:59.816 their walkers, some of the older people 03:44:59.840 --> 03:45:01.175 had been doing their U3A and they're 03:45:01.199 --> 03:45:03.016 waiting for the Uber or the taxi to turn 03:45:03.040 --> 03:45:05.255 up, they have somewhere to sit on a 03:45:05.279 --> 03:45:08.279 bench with some cover or some shade when 03:45:08.560 --> 03:45:11.016 it was raining. A footy interchange 03:45:11.040 --> 03:45:13.736 bench, a little mini Uber stop at the 03:45:13.760 --> 03:45:16.616 back of the at the back of the U3A. 03:45:16.640 --> 03:45:18.375 Well, 03:45:18.399 --> 03:45:19.816 how much do you reckon this was going to 03:45:19.840 --> 03:45:22.215 cost us? You know, seriously, three or 03:45:22.239 --> 03:45:23.896 four grand for a for a foot a year to 03:45:23.920 --> 03:45:25.576 change men. That's all we wanted. It's 03:45:25.600 --> 03:45:27.255 all they wanted. Can't be that 03:45:27.279 --> 03:45:30.056 difficult. Ended up costing about 18,000 03:45:30.080 --> 03:45:33.080 bucks because of the because that 03:45:33.199 --> 03:45:35.255 unremarkable building is heritage list. 03:45:35.279 --> 03:45:37.736 It absolutely did my head in and I 03:45:37.760 --> 03:45:40.295 promised I would never ever go near 03:45:40.319 --> 03:45:41.816 funding anything on anything with 03:45:41.840 --> 03:45:43.896 heritage ever again. I'm sorry to the 03:45:43.920 --> 03:45:46.920 members. It's It will be impossible. 03:45:47.040 --> 03:45:48.776 Thank you, Councelor Barker. Does anyone 03:45:48.800 --> 03:45:50.056 else wish to speak to the amendments? 03:45:50.080 --> 03:45:51.335 I have a question, Mayor. 03:45:51.359 --> 03:45:52.295 Councelor Simpson. 03:45:52.319 --> 03:45:53.816 Thank you, Mayor. My question is, given 03:45:53.840 --> 03:45:56.840 where we are in the um 202627 budget 03:45:57.760 --> 03:46:00.760 cycle, can this request be practically 03:46:02.239 --> 03:46:03.976 accommodated 03:46:04.000 --> 03:46:06.536 for investigation? 03:46:06.560 --> 03:46:09.560 Mr. K, 03:46:11.120 --> 03:46:13.175 in terms of preparing the budget for the 03:46:13.199 --> 03:46:16.199 next coming year, 03:46:18.080 --> 03:46:20.215 good evening 03:46:20.239 --> 03:46:22.295 where officers are very deep in the 03:46:22.319 --> 03:46:25.319 process of completing the budget. We 03:46:26.319 --> 03:46:29.319 intended on distributing a draft budget 03:46:29.359 --> 03:46:32.056 to our counselors tomorrow on the back 03:46:32.080 --> 03:46:34.455 of community feedback. We'd probably 03:46:34.479 --> 03:46:36.136 still proceed with that and then 03:46:36.160 --> 03:46:39.160 endeavor to update the final budget 03:46:39.920 --> 03:46:42.856 which is due to go through on the 22nd 03:46:42.880 --> 03:46:45.880 of June to incorporate this $60,000 03:46:50.880 --> 03:46:52.936 I apologies, Mr. C. 03:46:52.960 --> 03:46:54.616 I thought the question was regarding the 03:46:54.640 --> 03:46:55.496 $6,000. 03:46:55.520 --> 03:46:58.375 No, it's it's regarding.5. Sorry. 03:46:58.399 --> 03:46:58.856 Five. 03:46:58.880 --> 03:47:00.776 Can we accommodate this the 03:47:00.800 --> 03:47:02.696 investigation and the pricing and 03:47:02.720 --> 03:47:05.335 everything and incorporate it into the 03:47:05.359 --> 03:47:07.976 budget for 2627 given where we are in 03:47:08.000 --> 03:47:09.415 the process? 03:47:09.439 --> 03:47:11.175 the short answer to the question is 03:47:11.199 --> 03:47:14.199 we certainly can. we need to 03:47:14.880 --> 03:47:17.880 um quickly incorporate these changes 03:47:19.279 --> 03:47:21.976 in anticipation of putting the budget 03:47:22.000 --> 03:47:24.936 towards the councilors for the 22nd of 03:47:24.960 --> 03:47:27.496 June. So we can 03:47:27.520 --> 03:47:30.215 Thank you councelor Khn. Um sorry thank 03:47:30.239 --> 03:47:33.239 you Mr. K. I need a um okay councelor 03:47:34.000 --> 03:47:35.096 Simpson were you going to speak further 03:47:35.120 --> 03:47:35.496 to this? 03:47:35.520 --> 03:47:36.455 no ma'am. 03:47:36.479 --> 03:47:37.255 Thank you. 03:47:37.279 --> 03:47:39.976 U Mayor I just have a question. 03:47:40.000 --> 03:47:41.175 Councelor Stennett. 03:47:41.199 --> 03:47:43.335 Um, do council officers have any idea 03:47:43.359 --> 03:47:46.359 about the cost that this would be an 03:47:46.960 --> 03:47:48.375 estimate? 03:47:48.399 --> 03:47:51.399 Um, Miss Leic, 03:47:54.080 --> 03:47:55.255 can you 03:47:55.279 --> 03:47:58.279 in reference to the um.5 03:47:58.640 --> 03:48:01.175 so you may Yes, it was based on a it was 03:48:01.199 --> 03:48:03.576 based on a single quote for a standard 03:48:03.600 --> 03:48:06.056 shed shell and a concrete floor. No 03:48:06.080 --> 03:48:08.616 power, no connections or any other um 03:48:08.640 --> 03:48:11.640 complications. 03:48:12.399 --> 03:48:14.215 Thank you, Miss Leic. Are there any 03:48:14.239 --> 03:48:17.239 further speakers to the amendment? 03:48:19.040 --> 03:48:20.776 Given that it's an amendment, you have 03:48:20.800 --> 03:48:22.776 no right of reply. Council Senate, I now 03:48:22.800 --> 03:48:25.335 put the motion. Those in favor? 03:48:25.359 --> 03:48:27.096 Councelor Allan, Councelor Simpson, 03:48:27.120 --> 03:48:28.776 Councelor Barker, Councelor Senate. 03:48:28.800 --> 03:48:31.255 Those against, Councelor Weller, 03:48:31.279 --> 03:48:32.856 councelor Griffiths, Councelor Gun, 03:48:32.880 --> 03:48:35.415 Councelor Davenport, Councelor Langford, 03:48:35.439 --> 03:48:37.576 Councelor Katz, and Councelor Martin. 03:48:37.600 --> 03:48:39.576 The amendment is not carried. We now 03:48:39.600 --> 03:48:42.600 return to the stant if 03:48:49.199 --> 03:48:50.856 are there any further speakers to the 03:48:50.880 --> 03:48:52.536 motion? 03:48:52.560 --> 03:48:53.415 Yes, please ma'am. 03:48:53.439 --> 03:48:54.375 Councelor G. 03:48:54.399 --> 03:48:55.736 Thank you. Just want to speak very 03:48:55.760 --> 03:48:58.056 briefly to the role of the Bmont 03:48:58.080 --> 03:49:00.696 menshed. I've had the pleasure of 03:49:00.720 --> 03:49:03.720 visiting the site before and my former 03:49:03.840 --> 03:49:06.616 neighbor is actually I won't name him 03:49:06.640 --> 03:49:09.415 here but this Vermont med shed actually 03:49:09.439 --> 03:49:12.439 saved his life I would say um recently 03:49:13.520 --> 03:49:15.816 um widowwood 03:49:15.840 --> 03:49:18.840 he was in need of social support and 03:49:20.560 --> 03:49:23.560 that men's shed provided the exact 03:49:23.600 --> 03:49:26.295 support that he needed so as I when I 03:49:26.319 --> 03:49:29.319 said before about um rejecting the other 03:49:29.920 --> 03:49:32.920 amendment for Boxill um Community 03:49:33.199 --> 03:49:35.656 Arts Center shed. It's not a slight at 03:49:35.680 --> 03:49:38.536 all on the service that they do. Um the 03:49:38.560 --> 03:49:39.976 role that they play in the community 03:49:40.000 --> 03:49:42.696 because I know full well the value of 03:49:42.720 --> 03:49:45.720 these organizations um the value at an 03:49:45.760 --> 03:49:48.760 individual level um it's not just it's I 03:49:49.199 --> 03:49:50.696 mean it's a nice to have for us in the 03:49:50.720 --> 03:49:52.215 community if we're not visiting it to 03:49:52.239 --> 03:49:54.136 know that it exists but for the people 03:49:54.160 --> 03:49:57.160 that rely on it they are saviors. 03:49:57.439 --> 03:49:59.816 They are saviors and I'm very very 03:49:59.840 --> 03:50:02.056 thoroughly impressed with Helen's work 03:50:02.080 --> 03:50:04.295 in such a short space of time to reach 03:50:04.319 --> 03:50:05.736 the point that we're at have that we 03:50:05.760 --> 03:50:07.656 have now that that shed will not 03:50:07.680 --> 03:50:09.656 discontinue that there is an option for 03:50:09.680 --> 03:50:11.415 them. It is a peace mill option. It's 03:50:11.439 --> 03:50:13.415 not a long-term solution. it potentially 03:50:13.439 --> 03:50:16.295 might become um but at least it provides 03:50:16.319 --> 03:50:19.319 that ongoing um life force for that 03:50:19.600 --> 03:50:22.136 organization as well as supporting the 03:50:22.160 --> 03:50:25.096 wood turners in further 03:50:25.120 --> 03:50:27.736 progressing their interests as well 03:50:27.760 --> 03:50:29.816 and gives us a process by which we can 03:50:29.840 --> 03:50:31.096 look towards supporting these 03:50:31.120 --> 03:50:33.096 organizations longer term. So I'm very 03:50:33.120 --> 03:50:36.120 much in favor of the substantive. 03:50:36.479 --> 03:50:37.816 Thank thank you councelor G. Would 03:50:37.840 --> 03:50:40.840 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:50:42.479 --> 03:50:45.016 We have a counselor who's left the um 03:50:45.040 --> 03:50:46.455 we're just about to put the vote. 03:50:46.479 --> 03:50:49.479 Councelor Allan. 03:50:51.840 --> 03:50:53.415 Okay. And we're now going to put the 03:50:53.439 --> 03:50:56.056 vote. Those in favor, councelor Weller, 03:50:56.080 --> 03:50:58.295 councelor Griff. it's unanimous for 03:50:58.319 --> 03:50:59.816 those who are in the chamber. Thank you 03:50:59.840 --> 03:51:02.840 very much. We now moved to item 10.5. 03:51:09.600 --> 03:51:12.600 202526 Q3 quarterly performance report. 03:51:12.640 --> 03:51:14.215 Could I have a counselor move the item 03:51:14.239 --> 03:51:15.016 please? 03:51:15.040 --> 03:51:16.136 Happy to move. Mayor 03:51:16.160 --> 03:51:19.096 Council Weller second. Second. 03:51:19.120 --> 03:51:20.136 Happy to second. Mayor. 03:51:20.160 --> 03:51:21.976 Thank you councelor Simpson. Councelor 03:51:22.000 --> 03:51:22.776 Weller. 03:51:22.800 --> 03:51:25.415 Thank you Mayor. this report provides 03:51:25.439 --> 03:51:28.136 our community with a transparent view of 03:51:28.160 --> 03:51:29.896 how we are tracking against the 03:51:29.920 --> 03:51:32.920 integrated council plan for 25 to 29. 03:51:34.000 --> 03:51:37.000 Our strategic road map for this term. Q3 03:51:38.000 --> 03:51:41.000 covering January to March 2026 reflects 03:51:42.239 --> 03:51:44.616 steady delivery, discipline, financial 03:51:44.640 --> 03:51:47.016 management, and a continued focus on 03:51:47.040 --> 03:51:50.040 community well-being. Across the 67 03:51:50.800 --> 03:51:53.736 actions scheduled for year 1, progress 03:51:53.760 --> 03:51:56.760 is strong. 11 completed, 49 on track, 03:51:58.319 --> 03:52:00.936 four being monitored, two off track, and 03:52:00.960 --> 03:52:03.960 one deferred. All 11 municipal public 03:52:04.640 --> 03:52:06.776 health and well-being actions are on 03:52:06.800 --> 03:52:09.175 track, reinforcing our commitment to 03:52:09.199 --> 03:52:11.976 embedding well-being across all areas of 03:52:12.000 --> 03:52:15.000 council's work. The report also outlines 03:52:15.920 --> 03:52:18.856 progress in the transformation program. 03:52:18.880 --> 03:52:21.576 Q3 shows ongoing improvements in 03:52:21.600 --> 03:52:24.455 customer experience, process efficiency, 03:52:24.479 --> 03:52:27.175 and financial benefits. the kind of 03:52:27.199 --> 03:52:29.096 behindthe-scenes work that strengthens 03:52:29.120 --> 03:52:31.415 our organization and supports better 03:52:31.439 --> 03:52:34.295 service delivery. Turning to capital 03:52:34.319 --> 03:52:36.616 works, council is delivering a 03:52:36.640 --> 03:52:39.640 substantial program of 164 projects with 03:52:40.720 --> 03:52:43.720 an adopted budget of 53.12 million. 03:52:44.880 --> 03:52:47.175 After adjustments for carry forwards, 03:52:47.199 --> 03:52:49.016 grants, contributions, and 03:52:49.040 --> 03:52:52.040 reallocations, the forecast now sits at 03:52:52.239 --> 03:52:55.239 54.33 million. As at the end of March, 03:52:56.640 --> 03:52:59.640 73% of the program is on track and 16.4% 03:53:01.760 --> 03:53:04.760 is completed, reflecting strong project 03:53:04.800 --> 03:53:06.776 management and a clear commitment to 03:53:06.800 --> 03:53:09.016 delivering community infrastructure 03:53:09.040 --> 03:53:10.936 responsibly. 03:53:10.960 --> 03:53:13.576 Financially, our year-to-ate surplus is 03:53:13.600 --> 03:53:15.255 55.76 03:53:15.279 --> 03:53:18.279 million, which is 7.43 million favorable 03:53:18.800 --> 03:53:21.415 to the adopted budget. Higher than 03:53:21.439 --> 03:53:23.816 expected income, particularly from 03:53:23.840 --> 03:53:26.215 interest, grants and rates, combined 03:53:26.239 --> 03:53:28.776 with lower expenditure and materials, 03:53:28.800 --> 03:53:31.255 services, and employee costs has 03:53:31.279 --> 03:53:34.136 contributed to this result. 03:53:34.160 --> 03:53:35.736 At the same time, the report 03:53:35.760 --> 03:53:37.736 acknowledges the broader economic 03:53:37.760 --> 03:53:40.696 environment. Ongoing inflationary 03:53:40.720 --> 03:53:43.496 pressures, rising construction costs, 03:53:43.520 --> 03:53:46.375 and supply chain volatility continue to 03:53:46.399 --> 03:53:49.399 affect councils across Victoria. These 03:53:49.600 --> 03:53:52.136 factors have contributed to a revised 03:53:52.160 --> 03:53:55.160 project year-end surplus of 14.05 03:53:55.600 --> 03:53:58.375 million below the adopted budget but 03:53:58.399 --> 03:54:00.776 reflective of prudent forecasting in 03:54:00.800 --> 03:54:03.800 uncertain conditions. It underscores the 03:54:03.920 --> 03:54:06.616 importance of continuing monitoring and 03:54:06.640 --> 03:54:09.640 responsible financial stewardship. 03:54:09.680 --> 03:54:11.816 Overall, this report shows a council 03:54:11.840 --> 03:54:14.136 that is delivering, adapting, and 03:54:14.160 --> 03:54:17.016 planning responsibly. It provides the 03:54:17.040 --> 03:54:19.976 transparency our community expects and 03:54:20.000 --> 03:54:22.136 the accountability required under the 03:54:22.160 --> 03:54:24.136 act. I commend the report and 03:54:24.160 --> 03:54:25.496 recommendation. 03:54:25.520 --> 03:54:27.976 Thank you, Council Weller. Councelor 03:54:28.000 --> 03:54:28.776 Simpson. 03:54:28.800 --> 03:54:30.616 I thank you, Mayor. I think Council Will 03:54:30.640 --> 03:54:31.976 has comprehensively covered it. Please 03:54:32.000 --> 03:54:33.255 support the motion. 03:54:33.279 --> 03:54:34.616 Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Would 03:54:34.640 --> 03:54:37.175 anyone else like to speak to the motion? 03:54:37.199 --> 03:54:38.455 Given that no one's speaking to the 03:54:38.479 --> 03:54:40.056 motion, I now put the motion. Please 03:54:40.080 --> 03:54:41.415 hold your hands in the air if you're in 03:54:41.439 --> 03:54:42.936 favor. 03:54:42.960 --> 03:54:45.960 Carried unanimously. 03:54:49.120 --> 03:54:51.335 10.6 Records of informal meetings of 03:54:51.359 --> 03:54:52.616 councilors. Could I have a counselor 03:54:52.640 --> 03:54:53.496 move the item? 03:54:53.520 --> 03:54:54.536 Happy to move, Mayor. 03:54:54.560 --> 03:54:55.816 Thank you, councelor Simpson. And 03:54:55.840 --> 03:54:57.335 second, 03:54:57.359 --> 03:54:58.295 happy to second. 03:54:58.319 --> 03:55:00.136 Councelor Gun, do you have anything to 03:55:00.160 --> 03:55:01.335 say? Councelor Simpson, 03:55:01.359 --> 03:55:02.856 it's all in the report, Mayor. 03:55:02.880 --> 03:55:04.295 Council, 03:55:04.319 --> 03:55:07.096 any further speakers? I now put the 03:55:07.120 --> 03:55:09.896 motion. All those in favor? Carried 03:55:09.920 --> 03:55:12.920 unanimously. 03:55:13.680 --> 03:55:16.680 Item 11.1 councelor delegate and 03:55:16.720 --> 03:55:18.856 conference and seimilar report seminar 03:55:18.880 --> 03:55:20.375 reports 03:55:20.399 --> 03:55:22.295 reports by delegates and reports on 03:55:22.319 --> 03:55:25.175 conferences and seminars attendance. 03:55:25.199 --> 03:55:27.415 I remind councilors that to submit your 03:55:27.439 --> 03:55:29.016 written reports and please keep your 03:55:29.040 --> 03:55:31.415 verbal reports brief. I will commence 03:55:31.439 --> 03:55:33.496 with deputy Mayor councelor Simpson. 03:55:33.520 --> 03:55:35.736 thank you Mayor. On the 29th of 03:55:35.760 --> 03:55:38.295 May along with yourself I attended 03:55:38.319 --> 03:55:40.616 the MAV state council. Um this is the 03:55:40.640 --> 03:55:43.640 bianual council that the MAV runs um to 03:55:44.560 --> 03:55:46.856 debate motions relevant to the sector. 03:55:46.880 --> 03:55:49.880 Um once there are minutes or reports 03:55:50.239 --> 03:55:51.656 available with the outcomes of the 03:55:51.680 --> 03:55:53.335 council, I will forward it on to the 03:55:53.359 --> 03:55:55.415 council group. Thank you. 03:55:55.439 --> 03:55:57.096 Thank you councelor Simpson. Councelor 03:55:57.120 --> 03:56:00.120 Davenport. 03:56:01.680 --> 03:56:04.215 yes, Mayor. So I attended with 03:56:04.239 --> 03:56:07.239 yourself on the 27th of May the 03:56:07.760 --> 03:56:10.760 multicultural advisory committee 03:56:11.199 --> 03:56:13.736 meeting where that was the first 03:56:13.760 --> 03:56:16.215 meeting. You chaired it cuz I I turned 03:56:16.239 --> 03:56:19.239 up late. Um and we got to hear from a 03:56:20.640 --> 03:56:22.455 number of members of the community about 03:56:22.479 --> 03:56:25.479 how to set up our website better. 03:56:26.080 --> 03:56:29.080 Your say white horse. Um and let's 03:56:31.040 --> 03:56:32.616 see what the next meeting brings. So 03:56:32.640 --> 03:56:35.640 that's the first report, Mayor. Um the 03:56:36.000 --> 03:56:39.000 second report is I attended on the 03:56:40.160 --> 03:56:43.160 21st of May. Um actually it's councelor 03:56:45.199 --> 03:56:47.976 Gun's favorite committee. It's the eager 03:56:48.000 --> 03:56:51.000 executive steering committee meeting 03:56:51.040 --> 03:56:53.016 where we looked at the strategic plan 03:56:53.040 --> 03:56:56.040 and action plans and um and set our 03:56:57.520 --> 03:57:00.520 focus for next for next year. So I 03:57:01.279 --> 03:57:03.656 got to wear a a t-shirt that the deputy 03:57:03.680 --> 03:57:05.656 Mayor bought me last year and it was 03:57:05.680 --> 03:57:08.455 very well received. Thank you Mayor. 03:57:08.479 --> 03:57:10.295 Thank you councelor Davenport. Councelor 03:57:10.319 --> 03:57:10.776 Gun. 03:57:10.800 --> 03:57:13.496 Yes. Two reports. the Ark and the 03:57:13.520 --> 03:57:15.736 White Horse Reconciliation Action Group 03:57:15.760 --> 03:57:17.896 both met on the 20th of the 5th. I was 03:57:17.920 --> 03:57:19.896 there with council Griffiths. We haven't 03:57:19.920 --> 03:57:21.255 discussed what we're going to discuss. 03:57:21.279 --> 03:57:23.175 So hopefully you can pick up some items 03:57:23.199 --> 03:57:25.255 either side of what I say. Um we 03:57:25.279 --> 03:57:27.496 discussed the forward plan including 03:57:27.520 --> 03:57:29.496 the climate response strategy which will 03:57:29.520 --> 03:57:32.520 be a future order activity of the 03:57:33.920 --> 03:57:35.816 sorry the work plan for the audit risk 03:57:35.840 --> 03:57:37.496 committee including reviewing the 03:57:37.520 --> 03:57:39.656 climate response strategy. that's 03:57:39.680 --> 03:57:42.215 commences in August this year. Conflict 03:57:42.239 --> 03:57:44.856 of interest commencing in October this 03:57:44.880 --> 03:57:47.496 year, contract management commencing in 03:57:47.520 --> 03:57:50.520 March 2027. and we also reviewed 03:57:50.880 --> 03:57:53.880 strategic risks five and 8. at the 03:57:54.000 --> 03:57:55.415 reconciliation action group, we 03:57:55.439 --> 03:57:57.496 discussed the naming of parks in Boxill 03:57:57.520 --> 03:57:59.175 which has been up for out for 03:57:59.199 --> 03:58:01.496 consultation recently. you'll know 03:58:01.520 --> 03:58:04.056 from the SRL process. we also 03:58:04.080 --> 03:58:07.016 discussed we had a information session 03:58:07.040 --> 03:58:09.496 on the the Victorian treaty process and 03:58:09.520 --> 03:58:11.496 what that means locally um both for 03:58:11.520 --> 03:58:14.295 council and and and regionally. Um I'll 03:58:14.319 --> 03:58:15.656 let councelor Griffiths pick out the 03:58:15.680 --> 03:58:18.295 bones of the rest. 03:58:18.319 --> 03:58:19.335 Councelor Griffiths. 03:58:19.359 --> 03:58:21.816 I attended the audit and risk committee 03:58:21.840 --> 03:58:24.215 and the reconciliation advisory 03:58:24.239 --> 03:58:26.136 committee on the 20th of May and have 03:58:26.160 --> 03:58:28.136 nothing further to add that councelor 03:58:28.160 --> 03:58:30.455 gun hasn't stated. 03:58:30.479 --> 03:58:32.056 Thank you councelor Griffiths. Council 03:58:32.080 --> 03:58:33.016 Lella. 03:58:33.040 --> 03:58:35.255 Um, this morning I attended the 03:58:35.279 --> 03:58:37.656 disability advisory committee meeting 03:58:37.680 --> 03:58:40.136 with our newly appointed community 03:58:40.160 --> 03:58:42.536 representatives. We received a 03:58:42.560 --> 03:58:44.776 presentation on the Nawading Indoor 03:58:44.800 --> 03:58:46.856 Sports Center and an update on the 03:58:46.880 --> 03:58:49.880 disability action plan. On 13 May, I 03:58:50.479 --> 03:58:52.375 attended the White Horse Manningham 03:58:52.399 --> 03:58:54.696 Regional Library Corporation board 03:58:54.720 --> 03:58:57.175 meeting with council at Davenport. The 03:58:57.199 --> 03:59:00.199 board endorsed WML's draft 2627 budget 03:59:02.160 --> 03:59:04.696 for community feedback and received the 03:59:04.720 --> 03:59:07.720 Q3 finance and performance reports. 03:59:10.000 --> 03:59:11.175 Councelor Allan, 03:59:11.199 --> 03:59:12.696 nothing to add. 03:59:12.720 --> 03:59:14.136 Thank you, Councelor Allan. Councelor 03:59:14.160 --> 03:59:14.536 Martin. 03:59:14.560 --> 03:59:16.056 Nothing to report. May, thank you. 03:59:16.080 --> 03:59:17.016 Councelor Cuts. 03:59:17.040 --> 03:59:19.016 Um, thank you, Mayor. On Tuesday the 03:59:19.040 --> 03:59:21.576 12th of May, I chaired the White House 03:59:21.600 --> 03:59:24.600 Community Safety Committee meeting and 03:59:24.640 --> 03:59:27.640 um we were um introduced to a new 03:59:30.479 --> 03:59:32.856 member, Geredine Daniels from the um 03:59:32.880 --> 03:59:35.576 Department of Families, Fairness and 03:59:35.600 --> 03:59:37.096 Housing, who's a member, and she spoke 03:59:37.120 --> 03:59:39.175 about the U violence reduction unit, 03:59:39.199 --> 03:59:42.199 which is new in in Victoria. It's based 03:59:42.399 --> 03:59:45.399 on um a program used in Scotland about 03:59:46.640 --> 03:59:49.415 20 years ago in response to them 03:59:49.439 --> 03:59:51.816 being considered the murder capital of 03:59:51.840 --> 03:59:54.840 Europe and it's been extremely extremely 03:59:55.520 --> 03:59:57.736 positively received and making great 03:59:57.760 --> 03:59:59.896 inroads into the violence in their 03:59:59.920 --> 04:00:02.616 community and it saw a shift from 04:00:02.640 --> 04:00:05.640 enforcement to considering 04:00:05.920 --> 04:00:08.920 violence as a public health issue and it 04:00:09.040 --> 04:00:11.016 was actually extremely interesting and 04:00:11.040 --> 04:00:12.776 We're looking to get a speaker from 04:00:12.800 --> 04:00:14.136 there at our next meeting, which would 04:00:14.160 --> 04:00:16.295 be absolutely fantastic. We looked at 04:00:16.319 --> 04:00:18.375 our community safety plan and that's 04:00:18.399 --> 04:00:21.399 almost ready to come to council. Um, but 04:00:21.840 --> 04:00:23.496 it was a very interesting meeting. Thank 04:00:23.520 --> 04:00:24.136 you, Mayor. 04:00:24.160 --> 04:00:25.576 Thank you, Council Cuts. Councelor 04:00:25.600 --> 04:00:27.656 Stennett. 04:00:27.680 --> 04:00:29.175 Yeah. Nothing to report. 04:00:29.199 --> 04:00:29.816 Council B. 04:00:29.840 --> 04:00:31.175 Nothing to report, man. 04:00:31.199 --> 04:00:33.896 Um, and I report that I also attended 04:00:33.920 --> 04:00:36.136 with council Simpson, the MAV State 04:00:36.160 --> 04:00:39.160 Council on the 29th and on the 27th of 04:00:39.359 --> 04:00:41.415 May. I chaired the multicultural 04:00:41.439 --> 04:00:43.175 advisory 04:00:43.199 --> 04:00:46.199 committee um in addition to some 04:00:46.239 --> 04:00:48.776 feedback on our web page for your say 04:00:48.800 --> 04:00:50.536 which was talking about doing it in 04:00:50.560 --> 04:00:51.736 different languages so it's more 04:00:51.760 --> 04:00:53.736 accessible. We met all of the new 04:00:53.760 --> 04:00:56.760 members and had a good some input on 04:00:56.800 --> 04:00:58.295 where they felt their priorities should 04:00:58.319 --> 04:01:00.455 go. 04:01:00.479 --> 04:01:03.479 Could I please have um a counselor move 04:01:04.880 --> 04:01:05.656 the motion? 04:01:05.680 --> 04:01:07.496 Happy to move, Mayor. Thank you, 04:01:07.520 --> 04:01:10.520 councelor Cuts and second. 04:01:10.960 --> 04:01:13.960 All those in favor? Moved unanimously. 04:01:15.840 --> 04:01:17.896 We now move on to item 12, confidential 04:01:17.920 --> 04:01:19.496 reports and the close of the meeting to 04:01:19.520 --> 04:01:21.496 public. Before we close the meeting to 04:01:21.520 --> 04:01:22.696 the public, I'd like to let you know 04:01:22.720 --> 04:01:24.455 that with the winter school program, 04:01:24.479 --> 04:01:26.215 school holidays fast approaching, our 04:01:26.239 --> 04:01:27.896 winter school holiday program is now 04:01:27.920 --> 04:01:30.136 available and packed with fun and 04:01:30.160 --> 04:01:31.896 affordable activities for local 04:01:31.920 --> 04:01:34.375 families. From creative workshops and 04:01:34.399 --> 04:01:36.215 live performances to sports, science, 04:01:36.239 --> 04:01:37.816 and outdoor activities, there is 04:01:37.840 --> 04:01:40.295 something for all ages and interests. I 04:01:40.319 --> 04:01:42.215 encourage families to start planning 04:01:42.239 --> 04:01:44.056 their winter holiday activities and book 04:01:44.080 --> 04:01:46.455 early. The final items are two 04:01:46.479 --> 04:01:49.479 confidential items as follows. 12.1 04:01:49.520 --> 04:01:52.375 possible acquisition of land and 12.2 04:01:52.399 --> 04:01:54.856 civic awards for 2026. 04:01:54.880 --> 04:01:56.616 I seek a mover to close the meeting and 04:01:56.640 --> 04:01:59.640 to consider the confidential items. 04:01:59.760 --> 04:02:01.576 Have a thank you councel gun and a 04:02:01.600 --> 04:02:02.856 seconder. Second. 04:02:02.880 --> 04:02:04.856 Thank you, councelor Weller. And now put 04:02:04.880 --> 04:02:07.880 the motion. Those in favor, councelor 04:02:08.319 --> 04:02:10.536 Allan, councelor 04:02:10.560 --> 04:02:12.776 Weller, councelor, councelor Gun, 04:02:12.800 --> 04:02:14.536 councelor Davenport, councelor Simpson, 04:02:14.560 --> 04:02:17.335 councelor Langford, councelor cuts, and 04:02:17.359 --> 04:02:20.136 councelor Martin. 04:02:20.160 --> 04:02:23.160 Those against councelor Griffiths, 04:02:23.600 --> 04:02:26.455 councelor Barker and councelor Stennett. 04:02:26.479 --> 04:02:29.479 The motion is carried. The next ordinary 04:02:30.960 --> 04:02:32.455 meeting of council will be held on the 04:02:32.479 --> 04:02:35.479 22nd of June. I now close the public 04:02:35.600 --> 04:02:38.600 meeting at 11:13 and 18 seconds to 04:02:39.359 --> 04:02:41.255 members of the public. Councils will 04:02:41.279 --> 04:02:43.175 adjourn for 5 minutes to allow members 04:02:43.199 --> 04:02:45.896 of the public to leave the chamber. 04:02:45.920 --> 04:02:48.920 I'll see you back here at 11:18.